EPISODE 25: Monsters of the Moors PART 2

A seemingly ordinary couple hiding unimaginable evil – this deep dive into the Moors Murders continues with the chilling progression of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley's killing spree across Manchester in the mid-1960s.

We track the disappearance of 12-year-old Keith Bennett, who vanished while walking to his grandmother's house, lured by the promise of helping with boxes. The pattern becomes clearer – these predators meticulously selected vulnerable children, used simple tactics that exploited their innocence, and documented their heinous crimes with photographs, recordings, and even musical mementos.

The Boxing Day murder of 10-year-old Leslie Ann Downey marks a turning point, revealing their complete disregard for human life as they record her pleas and screams before her brutal death. Particularly disturbing is their ability to compartmentalize – maintaining normal relationships with family members while simultaneously planning their next victims.

What makes this case endlessly haunting is how Brady and Hindley lived openly within their community, took picnics at the very moors where they buried their victims, and even attempted to recruit others into their twisted world. Their final murder of Edward Evans, committed in front of Myra's brother-in-law David, would ultimately lead to their downfall.

This episode delivers a powerful message for parents and caregivers: "Adults don't need help from children." This simple yet critical warning might have saved lives then, and remains essential advice today. Subscribe now to hear the conclusion of this devastating story and understand how these monsters were finally brought to justice.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Jesse, Hello Lindsay, my name is human.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
How you doing.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm okay.
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're riding the wave right now.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
The wave.
We've been listening to someSleep Token.
Yeah yeah, I listened toEmergency for the first time
today.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Isn't it good?
Oh God, it's so good.
Me and when I went to bandpractice, we skipped band
practice and put together apuzzle Really, and that's what
we listened to the whole time.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's perfect Drinking bourbon.
I'm so glad, Chris, if you'relistening.
You old curmudgeon.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm so glad you're on the sleep token train, even
though you didn't get yourtickets?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
or did he get the tickets because I know he had
messaged me.
He was very upset.
Chris is the drummer forjesse's band shadow the earth,
and even though they don't havea singer right now, they're
still practicing pretty muchevery week, right yeah, here and
there we're.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's, it's relaxed rehearsals relaxed rehearsal.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I love that, though I love that you need that time
with your bros yeah, puttingtogether a puzzle having a drink
, listening to sleep, talking.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Building music is a puzzle too.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
But it was so fun.
Targ, he was like I don't knowhow to do this one, but I'll do
it, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh, I love Targ so much.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
He was on it.
So we're like, all right, dothe outside.
And he was blowing up theoutside.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Blow up the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I know oh shit, yeah, chris.
Cornell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You know, it's almost that time of year, it's almost
that time.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Rip Chester and Chris Cornell.
And Chris Cornell, that was myheart.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I get hurt when Chester passed, but Chris
Cornell sobbing in my closet.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Linkin Park fans, tell me what you think I'm
digging the new singer now.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
She's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I'm digging it.
I feel like she is caught upinto her own.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Sorry, that beeping sound was our pot roast cooking.
But yeah, emily Armstrong iscool as shit man.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
She is Miss Armstrong's getting strong.
Yes, at the beginning though Ihave to say at the beginning I
don't think she was quite ready,but she blowed up, she showed
up and she's doing amazing nowand I agree.
I agree, I'm on the LincolnPark train.
She's fucking almost our ageman.
I am ready to see them atRockville.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
She's only a few years behind us.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I think they're going to kill it at Rockville,
probably yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Rockville.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Shinoda's just he.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh Shinoda is always on point.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
He is putting it together and it's well.
He's got it stacked and it'snot Chester and it wasn't
supposed to be, and I get it soExcited.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But what are you drinking today?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, this pollen has been kind of kicking my ass, it
has been.
So I got a little bit of that,jack and Honey.
Yes, good, you turned me on toa Celsius.
That was in the fridge and it'samazing.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
What was it called Sparkling Sherbert?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I took a little sip and I was like, yes, it goes
good together.
We'll say it's good and I'mpeppy.
I'm peppy on this one and youfitting to slay me, because I
already know what we fitting todrink about.
What are you drinking overthere?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm having a Vista Bay natural lime.
This is the Aldi brand seltzer,and it tastes like a very
crispy Sprite it's very goodtastes like a crispy ass
McDonald's ass Sprite.
It's very good.
Tastes like a crispy-assMcDonald's-ass Sprite.
It's very good.
I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I like it too.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes, you do.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I do it's good.
Hit them up, and you know what?
Hit them up.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
So in my last week's White Claw Pack they replaced
the watermelon with the greenapple.
But now that we have tried theVista Bay green apple, I
actually like that one betterapple.
But now that we have tried theVista Bay green apple, I
actually like that one better.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
The Vista Bay one.
The Vista Bay Better than Thanthe White Claw green apple Than
the WC, than the WC yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Vista Bay.
Y'all got it going on, they doOn.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
They do.
Yes, Aldi's got it going onyeah they do.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
We got an Aldi pot roast in the pressure cooker
right now, right now, right now.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
So, yeah, we had to do some sound checking earlier
and I couldn't get that song outof my head.
My name is human, highlysuspect.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
We covered it too.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And I think we do a good job with the cello in the
background too.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, so Targ that we mentioned earlier.
He is the bassist, slashelectric cello player and he has
been my favorites, like whenthey were first trying him out
for the band and what?
Did y'all reject him like threefucking times.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I mean, I really didn't so much, I just didn't
know, I know you didn't.
I didn't know the full visionso I didn't push it real hard.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I told Jesse.
I said I will leave you if youdo not accept this electric
cello player.
I love the cello, it's myfavorite instrument, but if
you're not a fan of Game ofThrones, or if you are one, you
will understand.
I mean, it's cello musicthrough the whole damn series.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, and he was rocking it when Game of Thrones
was closing out the season.
He was rocking that cello wewould open up with like the Red
Wedding.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
The Red Wedding.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And it went over really well it did.
We really rocked the house withthat.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, like everybody would be in silence, like
appreciative silence of thisamazing cello playing, because
it just adds this extra oomph tothe show.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Then I'd come out with that open drop C.
Yeah, the place would just fireup.
We had them in the palm of ourhands.
Florida was us.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes, I loved it.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Nadira come back, boo Come back.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I know We'll get her.
We'll get her.
You need to hit her up.
She's going to tell my oldsinger to come back.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, Nadira boo, we love you yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And you're the best.
I offered for her to come toSpookalla with us, did you?
Yeah this weekend she came toyou and Amanda's from defy the
tyrant was like in adira fromshadow of the earth and she was
like yes, that's my roots, likeshe owned it.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, yes, girl, yeah awesome, awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Maybe she will come on, so, but I just wanted to say
happy wednesday and we're gonnakick this thing off because,
lindsey, we got a lot to cover.
Yeah, I'm excited.
I just I'm ready.
I'm so ready.
Let's get it bumping y'all on awednesday.
You know, when she was singing,highly Suspect as a mic check

(06:57):
earlier, this is Lindsay I'mtalking about here.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
That's me, my wonderful wife.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Hi, I was looking at the little bars when I'm
recording and it was pitchperfect, like it was a solid
straight line across.
That blew me up.
I was over here geeking.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
He was like holy shit , and I'm like what?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's pitch perfect.
It was like the lines wereperfect.
You're like, my name is Hugh.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, it was.
I came down from the stars.
That was almost perfect too.
I was watching it.
My name is human.
Okay, you didn't ask me whatwe're drinking about today.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I said I already knew and I said I'm getting ready
well, I gotta tell the audienceokay, y'all come on, gather
around, gather around the fire.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
So we're on part two of Myra Henley and Ian Brady.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Most evil woman in UK and the most hated man.
What did I call?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
it.
Monsters of the Moors.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yes, I like that.
That was a good title.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Monsters of the Moors .
Okay, sorry, well, let's playthe rest of that riff.
Play the rest.
I almost kind of heard my mamatry to talk it through me.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Try to tell me how to live.
That was exactly what happened.
Are you swearing right now?
I was like wait.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Don't you cuss at me in that kind of tone of voice,
but they won't listen to mebecause my head is like a sieve.
Okay, because my head is like asieve, dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun
.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Dun-dun-dun.
Okay, but so if you're new here, this is episode.
What are we on?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
24?
Five.
This is 25.
I think it's 25 and live, ohshit.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I don't know what episode, but anyways.
So what we do is we have adrink and we talk about true
crime and at the end of theepisode we plug a band that
we're digging and that we thinkyou should listen to as well.
And yeah, so 25, still alive.
What made you feel old thisweek?
It is okay.

(08:57):
So this is episode 25.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, pollen made me feel old.
No, I grabbed okay.
So I work in parts and we dealwith, you know, we're road
paving, heavy construction, allthe cool stuff, so all our parts
are pretty big.
I just grab up a hydraulicmotor, which was, you know, the
motor that makes the dump truckdump.
You know it's called a dumppump.
It's a big pump or whatever,dump pump, dump pump.
Threw it on my shoulder, it'sabout 120 pounds.

(09:22):
I felt that shit for like threedays.
Oh, I bet, Felt it for threedamn days.
Old as shit over here.
Next time I'm grabbing a dolly,a hand truck, some help.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I would too.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Or I'll tell one of them youngins to grab it.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, that's what you do.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's what you do.
That's what you do.
Hey, pick that up, take it onout there.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Anyhow, do that's what you do?
Hey, uh, pick that up, take iton out there anyhow.
What made you feel old?
Well, you know I'm.
I'm still dealing with thebroken toe thing.
And, um, so I have two pair ofwork shoes.
One one is clogs that I wearwith my wide leg jeans or or
flare jeans she looks so damngood.
And then, um, and then I have alike a, a vans like boat I Vans

(10:05):
, boat shoe, not boat shoe Likea loafer type work shoe that I
wear with my skinny jeans.
And for the last two weeks I'veonly been able to wear flare
jeans and my clogs because theydidn't put pressure on the toe.
So two days ago I was like allright, my toe is not throbbing
anymore.
I'm going to try.
My oh, my, oh god.

(10:26):
I guess I will just say yourregular work shoes my, my, my
skinny jeans work shoes and um,so they were fine.
I worked, but my, because Ihave been putting less pressure
on the foot or the on the yeah,the foot that has the broken toe
.
So that's my right foot, soI've been putting more pressure

(10:49):
on my left foot and it wasthrobbing the whole left foot by
the end of the night the lasttwo days.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I've been walking around in circles.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Why?
Because you got webbed feet.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, webbed probably, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
No.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's crazy though I , I really am still feeling the
pain a little bit now and again,like from when I broke my toe
like two months ago.
Yeah, why we got to break ourtoes together.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, fucking hell.
So there you go.
Yeah, that's what happens whenyou get 40, or when you get in
your 40s, because we're past 40.
Yeah, you possibly can breakyour toes because your balance
is a little off.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
And you're stumbling around and plus, we probably had
something to drink.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, because you were grilling, yeah, and I had
just got done with breakfast, sowe had had our Bloody Mary and
I was scooting the table backwith the little bench seat and
slam.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Boom.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Broken toe, wee yeah.
So you ready to get started?
I'm ready, you ready for parttwo.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Fire on, fire on.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
All right.
So Friday we left off with IanBrady and Myra Henley giving a
toast on New Year's to theirsecond victim, John Kilbride,
and unfortunately they were notdone.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I put them up on the website.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I don't like the way they be looking.
No, they are fugly.
Yeah, yeah, they ratchet uglyyeah.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, they ratchet.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
So this time, before the killing, ian got Myra.
The it's Over record by RoryOrbison.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
You just played.
Some of that did you now WhileI was taking a shower, lindsay,
I did, michelle.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's awful, but I don't want to ruin Roy Orbison
for anybody.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Don't Roy over me, don't Roy over me.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
But it's haunting now , isn't it?
It is Fuck.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's why I got a tattoo of Roy Orbison on my butt
.
Alright, coach Klein.
So on June 16th 1964,.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's why I got a tattoo of Roar Over Sonoma bud.
All right, coach Klein.
So on June 16th 1964, myra wentto pick up Ian dressed in her
disguise.
She now has a wig deal going on.
She's got a little disguiseBecause she's bleach blonde, so
she gets a dark wig.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
She's doing like the whole German spy thing right.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Does she have the?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
picture she's dressing as oh, I forgot her
name, I don't have my notes butas the?
What did we call her?
What was her name?
The beautiful beast?
Yeah, the Baron, right, no, she.
Oh God, where's my other notes?
We'll come back to that, okay.
So they also got a new car.

(13:49):
It was a station wagon and theyfind a group of kids and saw
one boy standing out alone.
This boy's name was KeithBennett.
He had just turned 12.
And he doesn't even look 12.
Like, when I show you hispicture you're gonna shit your
pants.
He still looked around eight,in my opinion, honestly, um

(14:14):
these are the ones that get me Iknow.
So keith lived with his mother,winnie, and his stepfather,
jimmy, and he was one of sixkids blended family.
He also loved playing football,which again in the UK is soccer
.
He loved playing with bugs andcollecting coins.
The night that Keithdisappeared, his mother took the

(14:37):
kids to stay the night at theirgrandmother's house so she
could go and play bingo.
And on the way keith sees agroup of his friends and asks if
he could go play with them andhis mother's like okay, just go
back to granny's when it's, whenyou're done and this is, that's
definitely 60s and I mean alsoin.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I mean that's kind of now, if you live in a nice
little neighborhood where yourkid knows everybody, knows all
the kids, yeah, you got an eventplan I mean honestly like your
kid to turn up and have a goodtime with his granny and you
want to set it off the right wayby letting him go and play.
Have a little freedom 2025.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
If our one of our grandmothers, or one of silas's
grandmothers, lived in thisneighborhood and he saw a group
of friends on the way, we wouldlet him stop and play with them.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah 30 minutes and then go on Right, you know,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
But fortunately we have cell phones and I can call
Granny and be like hey, doesSilas show up in 30 minutes, or
you know.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
But, lindsay, there's a lot that can happen in 30
minutes.
I know you, finna, tell me,ain't you Mm-hmm, and we're
going to have to wrestle later.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
So Myra and Ian drive by, they see Keith and they say
this is the one.
Myra pulls up and asks him forsome help loading boxes.
Now I want to say this reallyquick.
I actually heard Elena fromMorbid say this, and this is one
of the best things that youcould possibly ever tell your

(16:05):
children Adults don't need help.
Never From a child, ever.
They don't, unless it is an oldlady on a walk.
I mean still, I mean I don't.
I mean that could be a ploy.
Also, like I trust nobody,after listening to your crime
for thousands of hours over thelast five years, don't Just say

(16:26):
no, thank you, I have to go home.
Tell your kids that.
Tell your kids to say, if anadult asks for help, say I'm
sorry, I have to go home, orsomething along those lines.
Don't let them do it.
They don't need it, they don'tneed the help.
A kid can't change a tire andthat's pretty much the only
thing that I can think of anadult would need help with and a

(16:48):
kid can't do it.
So no, keith did hesitate butdecided to get in in the car and
then they went through, sothey're not helping boxes right
there.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
No, he's like come to .
They're like come to my houseand help move boxes.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Pretty much Like I said.
Keith decided to get in in thecar and they drive.
They go through the whole.
Will you help me find my gloveat the moor?
It's really important to me.
They go through all thatbullshit, like I mentioned in
the first episode Goodnessgracious.
And Myra says that Ian was inthe car, but Ian said he was not

(17:27):
.
He says he was on a differentstreet and Myra then picked him
up.
Myra says when they got to theMoors, ian took off with Keith
for about 40 minutes and whenIan returned he said that he had
trigger warning, raped andstrangled Keith and took a
picture before he buried him.

(17:48):
Ian says that they all wenttogether.
Three miles, three fuckingmiles, does it?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
really matter at this fucking time well, I'm your
alibi does not matter at thistime.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
This is your third it'll be important later on.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
So your third journey together.
Either way, whether you didanything or not, it's your third
journey together.
You have no credibility, right,shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, ian says that they all went together three
miles into the Moors and Keithkept telling him I've got to go,
I've got to go home, mygrandmother's going to worry and
I've got to get back.
Right's going to worry, and I'vegot to get back Right and Myra
told him that he would go homesoon.
Ian says that he did the signalto attack and this time it was

(18:36):
whistling Roy Orbison.
No, when you wish upon a star,I know what Fuck.
That will never.
I'll never think of anythingelse when I hear that song.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I mean what gets me is how sweet and innocent.
So sweet that they're playingright now to this little child,
to the point to where they goand murder him and they're just
playing these cute little couplethat's being all nice and sweet
and at his level.
That's so disgusting to me.
It hurts, it's bad.

(19:13):
The world actually does this.
It's just indescribable.
How do humans do this?
I don't understand at all.
Look at him and that's him.
I don't understand at all.
Look at him and that's him.
I know.
Look how cute he was.
I know.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
We'll post pictures of Keith on our Instagram page.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
He was adorable too.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Oh my God, he doesn't look 12, does he?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
At all.
He looks eight.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes, he's a baby.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
And the perfect picture of Little Rascals type
kid.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, so cute.
Yeah, him and John JohnKilbride, they would have fit
right in with the whole LittleRascals gang.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, and that innocent I bet.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Okay, I'm getting chills Ruined.
Ian says that Myra held himdown through the rape and the
strangulation, just as she haddone with John, and then they
buried him together, marking thegrave with a large boulder.
They cleaned up, buried Keithand the shovels and then they

(20:23):
got rid of any evidence.
Now, keith's grandmother didn'thave a phone so she assumed
that when Keith didn't show uphe had stayed with a friend or
had already returned home.
So she walks the rest of thekids home the next morning.
That's what she did, likeanytime.
The kids would stay the nightbecause they lived all in the
same, you know, close to eachother.
The kids would get up, grandmawould walk them home Back to

(20:44):
Winnie.
So when she returns withoutKeith, the parents go into
absolute panic, as any parent oras any parent would, and they
call the police.
Once again, door-to-doorsearches were done and the
grandmother, she took it uponherself to go to other towns

(21:07):
looking, and I mean this was anolder lady and she was like
ailments.
Somebody, come get these sons ofbitches man right, and I mean,
and we're looking at it throughhindsight because we know, you
know, but just imagine, no,nothing has been connected to
myron I Ian, yet it'sdesperation, though they're in
the hunt, they're just likeeverything's going through their

(21:29):
head.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
You know, maybe he's just lost, Hopefully he's just
right there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
This is now the third missing kid from the same area
yeah.
Bloodhounds were brought inBodies of water were Drug.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
They were drugs.
Yes, that's what I was going tosay.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I wrote drained, but it wasn't drained, it was drug.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
And all of Keith's favorite hangouts, like the
railroads, were searched andnothing.
And that just made me think ofthat fucking movie you made me
watch.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'm sorry, what the fuck was that movie called the?
Dollmaker.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh my God, I'm still getting you back.
You can't get me back from thatone, I will get you back I
already have a movie in mind andit will kill you and I will
laugh in your face.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Test the love of your husband, the.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Dollmaker with who was it?
Farrah Fawkes, not Farrah.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Significant Other.
Test the love of yoursignificant other.
Set them down, make them watchthe Dollmaker.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
What's her name?
Why can't I think of her name?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
In the.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Dollmaker yes, why can't I think of her name?
It's a Jane Fonda movie, and Isobbed uncontrollably Ugly cried
.
And I will be getting you back,just letting you know you're
getting me back.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Oh, my ass is seated right here, lindsey.
These are doll maker moments.
Lindsey, you're getting me backall the time okay, you're right
, you're right you're right.
You're right.
I need to get you back somehow,lindsey.
Ow, I bit my tongue when I saidlindsey, you are.
I'm over here right nowthinking of how horrible this

(23:05):
poor little child didn't have achance to grow up.
Cute as hell.
You're showing me pictures ofyou.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I know, and I ain't even got buzz yet, just such a
little, just I want to pinchsome little cheeks.
Oh my God.
Okay, so the siblings wereabsolutely hysterical.
And Keith's mother?
She was actually seven monthspregnant and this would actually
cause her to go into earlylabor.
This whole horrible event.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I don't care, I'm drinking.
I ain't listening to you.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Jimmy Keith's stepfather.
He was questioned as well asthe previous John Kilbride his
stepfather.
As the previous John Kilbride,his stepfather and one random
woman came up to Keith's motherand told her that Keith had been
chopped up and fed to pigs.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
And there we go.
Now you've planted the seed.
It's horrible enough as it is.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Right, why?
And you know, like I said, I'velistened to thousands of hours
of true crime and there is justrandom people that do shit like
that.
Why would you lie about that?
There's people that confess tosomething that they don't do,
and what is your gain from that?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
at all.
There's nothing.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
And now the families of all three kids that are now
missing Pauline Reed, JohnKilbride, Keith Bennett.
They all get together and arelike there has got to be a
connection here and they formlike a full on trauma bond and
they stay in constant uh,constant contact.
So in the next cooling offperiod, a 12-year-old named

(24:45):
Patricia Hodges, who lived twodoors down from the flat that
Myra shared with her gran, shestarts hanging out with the sick
, perverted, murderous coupleand she doesn't have a clue.
Okay, they would take Patriciaon picnics at the moors and give
her wine.
She's 12 years old.
But, like I said, doing theresearch for this, what are you

(25:08):
doing?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
my tongue, I was yelling at you.
It hurts it does.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I'm so sorry.
I looked, looked over andJesse's like got his tongue
sticking out and touching itoddly and I'm like what Well it
hurts.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
He got me fired up, lindsay.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Okay.
So she doesn't have a clue thathow these people really are and
she's just hanging out withthem and they're feeding this
girl wine and they would takePatricia, like I said, they
would take her on picnics at themoors.
They were having a jolly, jollygood time.
They had no idea.
I posted pictures of the moorsin our instagram feed today.
They're beautiful.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
They are beautiful, fucking beautiful like I would
want to go there too, all thetime you know, and that's what
threw me off whenever you weretalking about the spots and
things there's the moors inIreland too, which is the high
cliffs, mm-hmm.
So it's just like.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well, there's cliffs at the moors in England too,
that I don't think they're quiteas high.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I'll have to look at the ones from Ireland to compare
.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
But I did Google search the moors in England as
well, so this is particularlySaddleworth Moor where they're
taking, yeah, where they'regoing, and it's huge.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I think it was like 400 acres, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
So they didn't hurt her, or so they say, but in true
small town fashion.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Ronnie Sinclair, who is Myra's ex that I mentioned in
episode, or the first episodehe had targeted him, yes, or?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
they had it at first and they they literally planned
to kill him.
Um, he is sitting at a bar andian walks in.
Now ian knows who ronnie is,but ronnie doesn't know who ian
is because, remember, I, ian,stalked him for a while.
They literally planned to killhim Right and she left him for
him, right For an obsession.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, didn't even have anything to do with it at
this point.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Ian sits down next to him and strikes up a
conversation and starts talkingabout Myra.
And then Ronnie is like, okay,so you're Myra's new guy.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And then Ian, I don't know why I keep saying, ian, he
had that power over him.
He was like I'm the one sheleft you for.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Then Ian brags about his career in robbing houses,
because Ian's still doing thisas well.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
He's in every damn thing yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Like he's working at Millwards, you know upstanding
employee.
He's robbing houses and nowhe's killing children.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, raping and holding candlesticks.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, is he?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
still holding candlesticks.
He's still doing thecandlestick thing, oh, and he
tries to get Ronnie in on thewhole robbing scheme.
But Ronnie's like, nah, I'mgood, I don't really want to do
that.
And then Ian shows Ronnie aphoto of a young girl who is
naked, bound and gagged andasked if Ronnie was into that

(28:14):
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, because they wanted another couple to be part
of their little clique.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
But why the fuck would Ian go ask Ronnie, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I don't know, but anyways, ronnie, maybe he
figured at the very end of it,though he was going to get them
anyhow, because he had to tieall that back up.
True, he wanted more help, tobe like the little gang he was
going to take them out at theend, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Ronnie is horrified.
Okay, like any normal humanwould be at a young girl.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Pictures somebody tied up.
Yeah yeah, it's a 12-year-oldgirl.
Hey bro, is this cool to you,this little child?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, Ian says she's not hurt.
She agreed to make these photosand I've got some more if you
want to look-sees.
Oh bullshit, I've got some moreif you want to look-sees
Bullshit.
And then asked Ronnie if heknows any other girls that would
want to take pictures of thisnature.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Bullshit.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And it's speculated that this was Patricia Hodges,
the girl that they didn't hurt,supposedly.
Myra would later say that therewas an affectionate
relationship with this girl, butit was respectful.
I don't understand that theywere in their 20s at this point.
I think Myra was 23 and Ian wasa couple years older, so why
are they hanging out with a12-year-old girl, and where's

(29:35):
the parents?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Right, where's the parents?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I would go running if I was a little 12-year-.
There ain't nothing cool likethat at 12.
But at the same time I meanmaybe they these are both very
manipulative people.
Oh, and they, maybe they justmade her think that it was okay.
I don't know.
I don't know, I wasn't there.
And patricia hodges is notreported on very much.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Read my cup Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Under his eye.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, goodness.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
We're ready.
I think that comes out April8th yeah.
I'm so ready.
I'm so excited, even thoughit's the last season.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
The end of it.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
But I'm ready.
We got a lot of ends this year.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
It's all about awareness and I think that show
is kind of awareness to me, somuch awareness.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's the whole reason why I started watching it
, because someone in a Facebookthread somewhere said that
Handmaid's Tale is the awareness, all the awareness that women
need.
And I just started watching itand then I got you on it and you
got your coworkers on it.
I got my.
I got, well, got two of mybesties already watched it, but

(30:41):
I got another one on it.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
We loves it, it's horrible, but it's.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
But this is the kind of shit that kids needed to know
.
But they didn't.
They didn't know the awarenessabout this shit didn't start
happening until the last 10years really 15.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
People are wide open, eyes wide open now and stuff
like this, like what we'retalking about.
This is eyes wide open.
If one person hears this,motherfucker right here.
Yes, that's why we're doingthis, and gets something that
doesn't conclude into somebullshit like this, that's great
.
Yes, that's great.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Be aware of who your kids are hanging around.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, informative, historians over here.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Right.
So on December 26th 1964, whichis Boxing Day, ian and Myra are
in the holiday spirit.
And a little history on BoxingDay.
Boxing Day is the day that therich would give gifts to their
servants or to the poor.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But now they still do it everywhere, like in Europe,
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, yeah, it was originated from that and it's
also known as St Stephen's Day,the Feast of the Christian
Martyr.
That was in the UK and thatmade me think of that song.
Good King Wenceslas looked outon the Feast of Stephen, which
is a Christmas song, it is.
So I'm guessing that's aboutboxing day and, like I said, in

(32:06):
the uk many people enjoy thisthis day.
Uh, they do sporting events,visit family and friends and
shop for post christmas bargainswhich we also do that in that
in America but we just don'trecognize the day.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think we should give back a little more here.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, we need to.
Let's just start doing that.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Boxing Day will be a thing On the 26th, we'll go give
.
At Gen Z Chesterton, fieldville.
Yes, we're going to give, we'regoing to give something away.
Yes, at least something whichgive.
Yeah, we're gonna givesomething away.
Yeah, at least something whichwe always give back.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I mean, we always give you know, but we've got so
many children and grandchildren.
Yeah, christmas and birthdays,but we're gonna do something
special from now on unboxing day, yeah but on this boxing day
for ian and myra, it includedtheir fourth murder.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
The record lindsey now just talked about something
cool and now you're going totalk about this on Boxing Day.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Well, it's a true crime podcast.
I gotta keep reminding you ofthat.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Why do you keep hitting me with a shit?
Stick over here.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
So the record purchased for this murder was
Girl Don't Come by Sandy Shaw.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Ugh, I played that song for you.
You played that one earlier.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I did.
I said remember these songs.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Why are you setting me up like this?
I'm curdling, I'm not evenpuddling over here, I'm curdling
.
It's like a bubble of justdisgust.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh God, Hold on.
To me this is the worst, Go.
He's in fetal position almosthe's over at the plant.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'm not ready, dude.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
So a 10-year-old little girl named Leslie Ann
Downey was headed to the fairwith some neighborhood friends.
She was wearing a red dresswith lace trim, a peaked
cardigan and a blue coat andlittle red shoes.
She also had a string of pearlsthat she had gotten for

(34:07):
Christmas.
I think it was from her brotheror uncle.
I'm sorry I did not write itdown.
I apologize.
The neighborhood kid's mother,mrs Clark, she was supposed to
chaperone but she decided at thelast minute not to go and sent
the kids by themselves.
Would you ever in our day andtime, would you ever send our

(34:29):
child, even with a group offriends, as a 10-year-old, to
the fair by themselves?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'm not looking at you right now.
I'm trying not to look at youright now.
Fuck no, I wouldn't send nodamn kids by their damn self.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Lindsay, and she did not relay this to Leslie's
mother and didn't even tellnobody.
Didn't even tell anybody.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I'm so pissed.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
So the kids get to the fair and you know it's not
long after they're riding rides,they're buying probably popcorn
and cotton candy and all theshit.
They start running out of moneyand decide to go back home for
tea time, because that is a bigthing in UK.
Yeah, but Leslie said shewanted to stay and just look

(35:16):
around and they left her.
Wanted to stay and just lookaround and they left her.
So Myra and Ian are lurkingabout and decide to drop boxes
near her and ask Leslie for herhelp.
Where the fuck are they gettingall these boxes?
They had boxes with JohnKilbride in the market.
They say that they have boxesas they lure Keith Bennett in,

(35:41):
and now they have boxes to droparound.
Leslie, what boxes do you have?
Was everything put in a box inthe 60s?
Somebody let me know who livedin that era?
Email me was itdrinkaboutsomethingpod?
At gmailcom.
I want to know why the fuckthese monsters were able to lure

(36:02):
these children in with boxes.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
They some dicks.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
And it was on Boxing Day, but anyways, they asked if
she could help them load theseboxes or unload these boxes,
excuse me at their house andthen they would drive her home
after, and this is a big deal tome.
It's a sign of the times,because kids were more

(36:29):
susceptible to pleasing an adult.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, it's all about respect, but at the same time
our kid, our 11-year-old.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
He's kind of a little shit, but if a strange adult
came up to him asking for help,he's going to be nicer to them
than he is to us Than he is tous.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yes, always why.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I don't know.
We love him, but he's a handful.
But he would honestly help somestrangers out With the utmost
respect.
Without a second guess beforehe would help us pick up some
boxes.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That's the mindset, though, of kids, I think, just
Pleasing, they're pleasing.
At that age they're gonna.
That's them putting their bestfoot forward and trying to show
respect to everybody else.
But in the household you knowthey are different.
Yeah Ugh, fucking dicks in abox.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Well, ian would say that Myra did all this part by
herself and then she came topick up Ian later.
Myra says that Ian was alreadywith her.
I think the truth liessomewhere in the middle.
This time they took Leslie toMyra's house while Gran was out
visiting Myra's Uncle Jimmy,because Myra lives with her gran

(37:44):
, it's not even her house really, it's Gran's house.
So this time they decided torecord everything.
Leslie is heard screaming andcrying and asking to see her
mummy and ask God, help me.
She even calls Ian and Myramummy, like to, I don't know,

(38:10):
grasp some kind of compassioninside of them that they did not
have.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
If you ever play this audio.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
There is.
No, there isn't, it's not Okay.
I will go ahead and say youcan't find this, thank God, but
it was there, isn't.
It's not Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I will go ahead and say you can't find this, thank
God, but it was a thing, yes.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Goodness.
So Ian and Myra are trying togag Leslie, while both are being
mean and vicious and tellingher over and over to shut up,
and Ian threatens to cut herthroat.
Myra says shut your mouth, hush, hush, or I'll forget myself
and hit you one Like that is notreleased to the public, but
that is on record.

(38:49):
Okay, the songs jolly old StNicholas and little drummer boy.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Why you keep ruining these Christmas songs are
playing in the background.
Why you keep ruining them.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
You can't.
They undress her, took photos,raped and murdered her.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Moment of silence for Leslie.
Now, Myra, she takes herselfout of the whole situation by
saying that she was looking away.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
She looked away and then she went to go run a bath.
Moment of Jack Daniels overhere over this shit.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Ian says that she was actually running a bath to wash
them off and to wash the bodyof any evidence of Leslie and
Downing.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
That's so disgusting, it's so horrible, it's so.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
So Ian says Myra was the one to strangle Leslie with
a cord and would keep this cordand play with it later on in
remembrance, around other people, around her family and in pubs
while they were out having adrink.
She would just take this cordout and just play with it.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah yeah, by now they are completely infatuated
with the thrill a drink.
She would just take this cordout and just play with it.
Yeah yeah, by now they arecompletely infatuated with the
thrill.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, this is their fourth victim their addiction
their horrible.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You can't make people like this.
Where do people like this exist?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And how do they find each other, because this is not
the first one that I'm going totalk about.
No, the two people get togetherand do horrible, unspeakable
things to people.
Yeah, I just don't understandhow they find each other.
They tried to bury Leslie thatnight, but the weather was

(40:35):
terrible.
They bring her back to Myra'sand make sure that Gran didn't
come home that night.
And this is really dumb,because Myra drove to Uncle
Jimmy's and said I can't bringGran home tonight, the roads are
too bad, but you drove there.
You drove there and you'regoing to drive back, but the

(40:56):
roads are too bad to take herwith you.
That's something I don'tunderstand.
And I looked and looked andlooked for a reason why they
would be like okay, couldn'tfind one.
And when she got back back toher flat, ian and her just went
to bed while Leslie's naked bodywas in another room, just went

(41:20):
to sleep Like it's whatever.
The next day they do go back tothe Moors to bury Leslie and
they bury her next to PaulineReed.
While Ian is digging this grave, myra is in the car with
Leslie's body and a policeofficer pulls up and asks if she
needs any help.

(41:40):
If everything's okay, myra saysyes, and this officer just goes
on about his day.
Yeah, they bury Leslie naked,with her clothes and pearls
placed on top of her.
Now Leslie's family is inabsolute panic.
They're again searching houseto house and then police were

(42:03):
called and the fairgrounds weretorn down, trying to find this
girl Completely torn down.
Waterways and canals were onceagain dragged.
Stepfather Alan West this isthe third stepfather in a row.
It's like they almost knew, butthey didn't.
But it's just strange to me howthe past three kids all had

(42:26):
stepdads.
He was questioned andinterrogated and probably
humiliated and everything else,and everyone now is in absolute
terror because four kids fromthe same area are now missing.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, with no connections, nothing.
I'm thinking of the times likedudes came back broken from
world war ii maybe broken, thatwas broken world war ii that was
.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
That's myra's dad yeah yeah.
So I mean I don't have a lot ofbackground on these stepfathers
, but three kids in a row aremissing and all of them have
stepfathers.
Now, pauline, she did not have astepfather, so Pauline did not
have a stepfather.
But John Kilbride, keithBennett and Leslie and Downey

(43:16):
they all have stepdads andthey're all questioned.
And Leslie and Downey, they allhave stepdads and they're all
questioned.
And I mean I can just imaginewhat these poor guys have gone
through, because they all seemlike very stand up, gentlemen,
as we go forward.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
There's some rough times, probably through the
period.
You know, maybe broken homesand things have just happened
yeah, because all of them werefrom the 60s was tough, as it
was you know so tough and youknow it's like.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You know, when I was younger, before I knew about all
of this shit, I just I alwayswanted to grow up in the 60s and
70s.
And now I'm like now that I'velistened to true crime podcasts.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
No, fuck free love.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Fuck the 60s and 70s, I mean pretty much since the
beginning of time.
It's all.
It's all horrible.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Every generation you can really look back and there's
all horrible Every generation.
You can really look back andit's been horrible.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You know it really has.
Well, Ian and Myra.
They have now murdered fourkids in horrific manners.
But they become a littlerestless, a little bored.
They actually start discussingon how they could possibly start
a race war, or even maybederailing a train, just so they
could watch everyone die.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
So the shit ain't big enough for them now, right,
they want more mass chaos,murder, confusion, just crime.
But I want everyone to remember.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
We'll talk about it more in part three.
Myra will go on to say that shewas manipulated and abused by
Ian into doing this.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
But she's discussing Because he had that half-assed
Nazi shit going on to begin withright, but she went along with
it.
She stayed along with it.
She read the books.
She stayed along with it.
She read the manual.
You're still there.
Yeah, hey, this is four.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Now there's no credibility on what you say
Exactly it doesn't matter if youwere still in the presence of
no credibility.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
You cannot debunk any of the bullshit.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
You're still there they're both monsters to the
absolute core monsters of themoors monsters of the moors,
correct now?
uh, I mentioned maureen, mysister.
She had gotten married to davidsmith, who I talked about in
part one, who Ian wanted both ofthem eventually to like join

(45:25):
their little you know, to make ateam.
But they got married and duringall these events, um, and they
had a little girl.
They loved her.
Her name was Angela.
They loved her and like dotedon her.
They were like perfect, proudparents.
But it's later reported thatMyra and Ian, they didn't really

(45:47):
give a shit about their baby.
They did not act like a normalaunt and uncle and Myra never
even held this child, never once.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And Myra and Maureen were close, they were like best
friends sister, best friends,yeah, but at this point though,
there's nothing else in theworld but them and their
addiction.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
But I'm just saying still, though, that it had taken
over her.
That's what I'm saying.
Remember that she, you know,later on just tries to pin all
of this on Ian, but she herselfhad become Ian.
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
The same entity.
They were the same living,breathing, evil ass being.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
And they met each other.
And it's fucking universe, why,why did you allow that to
happen?
Well, unfortunately, on April24th 1965, angela passed away
from bronchitis and she was onlysix months old, and David and
Maureen are devastated, I bet.
To cope with the loss of theirchild, david and Maureen start

(46:51):
hanging out with Myra and IanMoore.
They're going on couplesoutings like picnics at
Saddleworth Moore.
Oh, who do you think, suggestedthat?
Shit?
Yeah, what a lovely spot.
Yeah.
And one day, while having somedrinks, ian tries to recruit
David into his robbery gigbecause David was having a hard

(47:12):
time finding work.
And Ian says that he can makegreat money by stealing from
others.
You know, that's a great way toearn a living.
And you know, to me it seemslike I mean, I don't know the
Manchester area, but all ofthese kids and all of them seem
to live in a very smallcommunity, a lot of European

(47:34):
communities are small, I meanyou can do most of the whole
town in Walking Dead.
Well, I'm just saying why isnian being caught for these, this
robbery shit?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
yet well, he had his upstanding fucking position at
work.
Nobody was looking.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I mean he must have been good at that and I couldn't
find anything to reallyelaborate on his robbery,
because this is what I mean he'sreally known for.
Obviously, David, he's like I'mnot really down for that, you
know, respectfully.
So then the conversation goesdark and Ian asked David if he's

(48:10):
capable of murder.
I mean, he's not into robbing,but let's just see if he's into
being a killer instead.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Let's step this on up .
Let's see what the fuck you'reabout.
What?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
the hell man.
And Ian tells David that hehimself has committed murder.
He says to David I've killedthree or four and they're buried
at Saddleworth Moor and you'vesat on one of the graves and for
some reason David just chalkedthis up to his brother-in-law
being drunk and bullshit.

(48:41):
Yeah, and I'm telling you onceagain, I'm going to say it After
listening to thousands of hoursof true crime if somebody is
joking about murder, take itseriously.
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
What did I say that one time?
Tell three other people justbecause.
Just in case, just because Justbecause Send it in a text
message and shit too like recordthem.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, put it.
We've got cell phones now.
They didn't have them in the60s, but we we can record them
saying some shit keep it, keepit in a file.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
This is bullshit or whatever but, he just last night
.
He said that he had murderedthree people, and I just wanted
to tell you and now, if it's a,this is a thing, and love you
Bye.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
But for some reason, after this very fucked up
conversation, David actuallyagrees to go Robin with Ian.
I don't know.
They must've been having reallyhard times.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, that was intelligent tactic.
It was very intelligent.
He was like, okay, he's notgoing to do this, so let's push
it up and then we'll bring itback to that level.
Very intelligent and a lot ofthese people are, ian is very
intelligent, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I hate to say that about him, but he is Perfectly
manipulative Oof yeah.
And Ian could tell that Davidwas nervous about this so he
wanted to test him.
Tell that David was nervousabout this, so he wanted to test
him.
So his idea was that he wouldjust grab a random person with
David, take him to the moor andsee if David would go through

(50:09):
with murder.
He tells David that they canpractice a robbery by doing what
he calls trigger warning andthis is a quote, this is not my
words, this is Ian Brady's wordsby rolling a queer, which means
that Ian would entice a gay manwith the promise of intimacy

(50:30):
and then take his money becauseit was illegal at this time to
do any homosexual activity andthe robbery wouldn't get
reported by the victim.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
That time and age.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yes, so on October 6th 1965, ian gets another
record for Myra.
It's All Over Now.
Baby Blue by Bob Dylan.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh, you played that one earlier while I was in the
shower, lindsay, I did.
I was washing my ass when youwere playing that, but it's a
beautiful song.
Well, I hurried up because itwas all over then.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
It was, but this song would actually be ominous.
So remember that and I put inmy notes.
I listened to all of thesesongs, every single song that
Ian gave a record about to Myra,and it's haunting to me now.
I like Bob Dylan.
I love Bob Dylan.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I love Rory Winters.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
We need to watch that biopic of him with timothy
chalamet, who played williewonka in the movie that we went
to the theater and watched andit was amazing.
Yeah, and we've watched it acouple times at home too.
Yeah, good good, good so ian andmyra were at a liquor store to
get wine.
That uh, the evening of october6th and and Ian sees a

(51:49):
17-year-old man well boy namedEdward Evans.
Edward was an apprenticeengineer at AEI Electrical Works
.
All-around good kid, and he wasone of three kids to his
parents, edith and John Edwards.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
So now he's seeking out a challenge.
He's feeling that powerful now.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
On this night Edward was dressed sharp and he had
plans to meet his friend Michaelto go see Manchester United.
That's the soccer team rightFootball.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, I think so yes.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
So he planned to go see them play but Michael, at
the last minute, couldn't comeand he didn't show up Because
they didn't have cell phones.
I couldn't be text like I'msorry, I can't make it.
So he just kind of feels stoodup at this point.
So Ian approaches Edward andasks if he wanted to come home
with him and have some drinks.
And I'm sure there was somecode exchange for basically

(52:46):
saying you know you want to hookup, because some code exchange
for basically saying you knowyou want to hook up because they
had to do that back then.
So they get in the car and Myrais in it and Ian introduces her
as his sister because didn'twant to say hey, this is my
girlfriend.
So they go to Myra's where Granlives, and Gran is home, gran's

(53:09):
home.
He tells Myra to leave, go pickup David, but wait a while
before returning because heindeed wants sexy time with
Edward.
So Myra walks to David'sbecause it's in walking distance
, and he walks to David andMaureen's or she does, I'm sorry

(53:29):
hangs out for a little whileand then asked if David could
walk her home because the streetlights weren't on.
So David grabs a walking stickand they head to Myra's.
When they get there, they gointo the living room where
Edward is just chilling on thecouch.
Ian, out of nowhere, out ofnowhere, on the couch.
Ian out of nowhere, out ofnowhere pulls out an axe and

(53:53):
swung it down on Edward's head.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Oh goodness, that was the only way he could take
somebody 17.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
And he swung it over and over 14 times.
God, Lindsay, In front of David, who has never been around
anything so vile and so horrificin his entire life, and Gran is
upstairs in her room.
Edward had been screaming thewhole time and there was two

(54:22):
dogs barking, barking theirheads off.
Gran is yelling from her room.
What the fuck is going on?
And after 14 blows, Ian stillhad to strangle Edward until he
quote unquote stopped gurgling.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Oh my, God See, and I was hoping Gran would have been
downstairs saying would youlike me to make some sandwiches?
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Gran David, they just get brought into this shit.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Gran is in her room oblivious.
That's probably the darkestjoke I've ever said.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
And I mean I know that there was TV in this time,
but usually at this time therewas like one main TV in the
living room.
Yeah, so Gran's just laying inher room hearing this voice
scream, I don't understand.
So there was blood.
Obviously there was bloodeverywhere.
14 blows with an axe.
Yeah, I mean, it was on thewalls, the floor, the carpet,

(55:17):
the ceiling, everywhere.
Ian then hands the axe to Davidso that his fingerprints would
be on it as well.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Gotcha Goodness.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Ian then lights a smoke and says this is the
messiest murder I've evercommitted.
Ian says that Myra made acomment about the terror in
Edward's eyes as he was beingaxed to death Like she was.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Turned on about it.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I don't know about turned on, but she wasn't she.
She liked it.
Yeah, that was a big targetright there, but of course
she'll take herself out of thisone too later on Shit.
So they took Edward's clothes,shoes and wallet and hid them in
an upstairs bedroom.
What about Gran?
She's still upstairs chilling,sleeping.
I don't know what the fuck wasgoing on.
I really don't know.
I don't know, I don't know.

(56:06):
Did she make him somesandwiches?
No, gran stays in her room.
So they wrapped Edward in asheet and took the string from
David's walking stick and tiedEdward in a fetal position,
carried him upstairs to thespare room until they could bury
him the next day.
It took them three hours toclean up all the blood and, like

(56:29):
I said, david is terrified.
He helps them with everythingand hangs out afterwards because
he's now afraid that Ian wouldkill him.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
If he didn't go along with it.
I mean I would he's got himdrawn in now If I walked into my
brother-in-law's house to watchhim ax a man to death with 14
blows.
I don't know, I probably wouldhave just passed out from
disgust, horror, everything.

(57:03):
I don't know how I would react.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
It wouldn't have been long, I would have been away
enough to where it would allcame out.
It wouldn't have been long, Iwould have been away enough to
where it would all came out.
It wouldn't have been long, Iwould have got the fuck away.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Well, they have some drinks, smoke some cigarettes
and discussed how to get rid ofthe body.
Ian wanted to use David'sdeceased child's baby carriage
to take the body out, and Ianand Myra or Ian or Myra one they
wrote this whole plan out andthey put it in Ian's wallet.

(57:33):
I'm going to guess it was Ianbecause he was the planner.
He was meticulous.
Yeah, it was all his way or noway, right?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
And David is still there in the witching hour and
casually says, hey, I'm going togo home to Maureen and I'll
come back later.
And Ian and Myra were like okay, see you later.
And David walks normally downthe street at first until he
knew they couldn't see himanymore.
Then he hauls ass as fast as hecan until he got home and

(58:05):
that's where we're going toleave off.
No, yes, no, I mean you'regoing to hear it here in a few
minutes.
Dude going to leave off.
No, yes, no, I mean, you'regoing to hear it here in a few
minutes.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Dude's bucking out.
No, you can't, you can't.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Part three is going to be out on Friday.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
And you're just going to leave me like this.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I'm going to leave you hanging, lindsay, yes.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
How are you?
You all right.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
No, I didn't get a fucking sandwich.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I'm hungry.
I would like some tea andsandwiches please.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
We're going to have some pot roast.
Fucking, hacking somebody updownstairs.
I was like what if Granny justleans her head out the door?
Would you like some?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
sandwiches.
Poor Gran man.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Dude.
She has no idea what's going onin the downstairs they clean
that shit up and put a body in ababy carriage.
That was the plan.
Oh, we're watching anothermovie like Dollmaker.
I swear to God.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
No, we're going to watch a movie about these
fuckers when we're done.
Sorry, love you.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
More on me, on the Moors, the monsters, the Moors.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
All right, y'all.
So make sure you tune in onFriday for part three.
And now I'm going to let Jesseplug what band we're going to
listen to this week.
Yeah, lilith Rising, lilithRising.
Yeah, out of South Carolina.
That sounds amazing, becauseLilith she was the one we never
read about in the Bible.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, so we're going to plug and tag them.
It's like goth kind of metal.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Oh, I love goth, I love metal.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I love goth metal and a little operatic, a little
this, a little that.
I want you guys to check thatstuff out and I'm going to play
them right here.
Y'all check it out.

(01:00:34):
I love you.
Fucked up feelings.
I'm into feeling this darknessof the night.
Fucked up feelings.
It's such a dirty deal.
It's all been crime Putting medown to the ground not this time
.
I'm fucking done with you.

(01:00:55):
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
Thoughts are reeling and intodealing With my newly sunlit

(01:01:26):
nights.
Thoughts and feelings Songunending, pathetic little life.
You had your chance and my joy.
Well, now it's mine.
I'm fucking done with you.

(01:01:50):
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm running down.

(01:02:15):
Fuck your feelings.
I'm sick of dealing With youthis time.
Fuck your feelings.
I'm sick of dealing with youthis time.
Fuck your feelings.
I'm sick of dealing with youthis time.

(01:02:40):
Fuck your feelings.
Fuck your feelings, fuck yourfeelings.
I'm sick of dealing.
Sick of dealing with you allthis time.

(01:03:01):
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.

(01:03:22):
I'm fucking done with you.
I'm fucking done with you.

(01:03:54):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yes, it's like a mixture of Natalie Merchant and
Paula Cole, but just a littleheavier.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yes, Nice outro too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Very spooky.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Carnival-ish Love it.
Check them out if you're in thecarolina area.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yeah, they're from north carolina really cool very
cool.
I think greensboro is that, isthat on the border of north and
south carolina I don't know inthe us, but next they're in the
Carolinas.
Next episode, though I have aband from Russia.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Shit yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Cool Ape on the Rocket, yeah, but Lilith Rising,
awesome, awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah, musicianship is perfect yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Keep on cracking them out.
Good stuff.
We're finding some cool bandsout here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I was looking at their picture and it reminded me
of the Proclaimers yeah yeah,of the Proclaimers.
Yeah yeah.
A couple of the guys in there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Yeah, but she has a really cool it's kind of
operatic metal.
Did I nail that right?
It's really cool, cool pocket,cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Absolutely Lilith Rising, you guys fucking rock.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
But mellow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, love it.
You rock mellowly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Good, is that a word?
It's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's
good.
So you've puddled me again,lindsay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
All right, so we've got one more part to get through
, where we will continue thesaga and horrific story of Myra
Henley and Ian Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, and we're going to have some pot roast.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
We're going gonna have some pot roast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
We're gonna have some pot roast and I'm gonna make a
sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
You're gonna make a sandwich.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
No, we're gonna have pot roast.
So we'll.
We'll see you guys this FridayComing up so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah, so Like us, follow us
Drinkaboutsomethingsite.
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We have a Gmail.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
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Subscribe to us on.
We're on Instagram.
We have a Gmail.

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Subscribe to us on YouTube.
We're not visual yet, we'rejust audio.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
We're doing some we're doing, some we did a
little vacay visual thing,remember Well yes, that's true.
And we're going to do anotherlittle vacay visual thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, we're going to be in the biggest Halloween
spirit in April.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Where are we going to see Corey motherfucking Taylor?

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Corey, motherfucking Taylor, and he better sing who
lives in a pineapple under thesea.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Oh, SpongeBob.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
SpongeBob's queer pants.
Yeah, he's going to sing.
No I know, but yes, we loveCorey Taylor.
We've tried to find him orwe'll listen to him wherever he
is Our ninth encounter of CoreyTaylor.
Oh, at least yeah because we'veseen Slipknot, we've seen Stone
Sour, we've seen Corey byhimself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
We walked into a place where he was serving
drinks one time.
Yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
And we will get to see him tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yes, we'll give you all an update on how fantastic
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
is is was is and whatever, yeah past peasant.
So if you're coming, presentand future yeah, if if you're
around the florida area, checkout spook alla yeah, it's in
tampa go to some cons hang outwith some movie stars.
Yes, oh yeah, stars like I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I got to see.
We got to see walter gogginswho plays fucking uncle, uncle,
baby Billy, and what's hischaracter on Fallout?
I keep forgetting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
He's the ghoul, the ghoul, yeah, and we've seen Jay
and Silent Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
We've seen so many cool people.
We've seen Wendy Peppercorn andthe boy that plays, the boy
that's in love with WendyPeppercorn.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
We've seen Danny Trejo.
We've seen the entire cast andthe boy that plays the boy
that's in love with WendyPeppercorn Squints.
Yeah, we've seen Danny Trejo.
So many Scream cast people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
We've seen the entire cast of Scream.
Well, the male cast of Scream.
Steve Orich, matthew Lillard,everybody so.
Horror Cons is where it's atJamie Kennedy, come have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
We've seen the cast of Stranger Things.
We've seen the cast of StrangerThings.
Yep, god, yes, go to the horrorcons man.
If you want to meet somecelebrities, that's where you do
it.
It's fun, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
But we'll see you guys this Friday coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yes, we love you.
Bye.