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Siobhan and Matt exchanged their experiences and perspectives on various topics, including the California DMV, Arizona gun laws, finding joy and meaning in life, and personal preferences. Matt shares his thoughts on ancient siege warfare and the validity of accounts of forgotten knowledge. Matt emphasized the value of learning and exploring new topics, with Siobhan highlighting the importance of cultural diversity and Matt underscoring the significance of memory and recall. Throughout the conversation, the speakers exchanged their unique viewpoints and experiences, showcasing their individuality and creativity.

Episode Transcript

Matt (00:17):
Well, I have a six channel, it's got four inputs,
if you ever need to borrow, thatlooks like an instrument that I
can't play.

Siobhan (00:26):
It is an instrument. I think you've said you can play
that is a guitar.

Matt (00:30):
Yes. I'm very bad at guitar.

Siobhan (00:32):
Oh, well see there was one night when we were drinking
and talking about you being onthe podcast and about you
writing the podcast jinglerentrance music. And I was like,
Oh, I have a guitar, but I don'tthink it's tuned and you were
like, that should be one of ourfirst things.

Matt (00:50):
You want to add to the guitar? Oh,

Siobhan (00:52):
I can't play guitar.

Matt (00:53):
Oh, well, then. I don't have to. And Romney so it
wouldn't make sense. All right.
I came unprepared. No, well,that's okay. Also mandolins fit
better in this tight space. Yes.
So I could literally sing youface to face. Jingle.

Siobhan (01:09):
I like it. And then this is the neon sign that I got
the other day.

Unknown (01:14):
Fucking tight.

Siobhan (01:19):
For three inch, four inch letters. No, it didn't. It
was not clear. I don't know if Ilooked into the small print
either the one but the visual ofthe like one Julie guts.

Matt (01:30):
Big. Yeah.
I'll have to ask Sadie where shegot that?

Siobhan (01:34):
Yeah, like, well, on the Amazon thing. The picture of
it is deceiving. The gate looksmuch bigger. But I don't know if
I looked deep enough into thedimension. So it's kind of like
a user error, operating error.

Matt (01:46):
It's like ordering a book and then not having the page
count. And you don't realizeit's only 10 pages. Like a
pamphlet. Okay, that's not abook. Yeah. So I wonder the page
count. Is page workout. wordcount. Yeah,

Siobhan (01:58):
I was gonna say it's page page counts. Most books do
have a page count. Right? Youcan look that up. But not the
word count. So

Matt (02:05):
why would you? Unless you're me, and one moment in
time?

Siobhan (02:09):
I don't know. I feel like other people would maybe
think about that. How many wordsare in this book. But I guess
everything is always done bypages with a book. Words are
just like essays, schoolwork,

Matt (02:23):
I would like to use it to sound more accomplished. Like I
read 47,000 words today. Insteadof saying I read 40 pages.

Siobhan (02:36):
Who you using this brag with?

Matt (02:40):
Whoever asked how much I've read lately.

Siobhan (02:43):
How many times

Matt (02:45):
that obviously wants to tell me how much they've read
lately. So just gonna play alittle game with them.

Siobhan (02:52):
I like I like the pre emptive like that planning. All
right. So welcome, y'all todayin the pod. I keep I haven't
decided like what word to use,like, in in the weeds with me?
Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. Becauselike, it's not a pod loft. And

(03:14):
like that's other kind of pod.
There's a couple of podcasts Ilistened to you. They talked
about pod labs, where they theyhave most, most podcast start in
someone's apartment, kind oflike this. And then they like,
you know, grow and move intoreal studios. So it's like I've
heard people talk about theirpod closets, a pod loft, which
I'm assuming they have a lockedin their house or apartment and

(03:36):
they turn it into the morning.
And that

Matt (03:39):
makes me think that they have a literal pod like a
spaceship pod. Oh, that they'rerecording in?

Siobhan (03:45):
I like that idea.

Unknown (03:46):
I doubt they are.

Siobhan (03:50):
But it would be fun.

Matt (03:52):
But if I tell them where you are, it's irrelevant.

Siobhan (03:56):
Oh, I know. But like, welcome. Like today I'm
welcoming Matt to the podcast,you know, like that kinda. Today
in the house we have. To thetable. Yeah. To the mics. That's
what I mean. I just haven'tfound that like key phrase, you
know, every openings kind of newand different. Because it also

(04:17):
is like who I'm talking to isdifferent every

Matt (04:20):
time. So I want you to write down 10 All right. And
then use them all. I'll judgethem. All right.

Siobhan (04:30):
That'll help you write your opening song. possibly go?
Oh, yeah, possibly. Yeah. Ialways end with telling people
to find their joy, because I'mbossy. And I want people to be
happy.

Matt (04:42):
So you have an end phrase, I do find your joy. Yeah.

Siobhan (04:48):
And I think it's a good reminder to people that it just
doesn't happen. Sometimes youhave to go out and look for it.
Or they've already found it.
Then you're already up on theday.

Matt (04:56):
kind of insult. Dread look like I've not found my joy.
Sometimes. I

Siobhan (05:03):
mean, like, find you already find a good you don't
have to look for it. You'relike, ah bitch, I already did
that today. It's been going fora while but have you haven't you
reminded like, and it can be,you know, in finding it is like,
what it's, it's what you want itto be right? Like it's that cup
of coffee. It's that all thegreen lights, it's sitting down

(05:27):
to dinner with friends, you knowwhat I mean? Like those just
remote like find your joy, likerecognize it, appreciate it.
It's like a simple phrase thatreally can change your whole
life sorry, no, I like when youcontemplate

Matt (05:48):
what's the what's the last thing you
remember? bringing you joy.

Siobhan (05:57):
Today, I had a cultural day at the college I work with.
And there was, I don't know,eight students doing like a
Bollywood dance. And they wereall different cultures, like all
different races, all different.
They're all dressed intraditional garb. So like,
you're just watching like alittle un happen. And they're
all laughing. I mean, like,like, you're watching all these

(06:21):
kids that are from suchdifferent places, sitting or
dancing in the basement of thiscollege in Oakland. Like, just
enjoying themselves and theywere all so happy and laughing
and the smiles were ginormous.
And just to be there for that.
That was like my moment of joyso far today. But I'm lucky I
have lots of them. This is amoment of joy.

Matt (06:46):
I probably have moments of joy. Like a lot of them. This is
more of a joy. Yeah, like

Siobhan (06:50):
getting to sit down with you because we've talked
about it a bunch. Like I enjoytalking to you so much. Because
you teach me shit all the time.

Matt (06:58):
Are you getting my expectations up? No.

Siobhan (07:02):
No, you really do because your memory is like
something I have not like youjust remember things and like I
always think today some thingsright but way more than I do.
Like I just don't have a memoryfor recalled like, like you read
a book and remember it for along time. Yeah, yeah. And you

(07:26):
have like

Matt (07:26):
this vast nonfiction, it's easier to remember for some
reason, is it? Yeah.

Siobhan (07:31):
Yeah. And but you have like this vast also diverse
interests that you go way deepon like, I'm, I have like a lot
of interests, but only go deepon a few of them. Like I can
surface kind of bullshit my waythrough most things. But I have
like in depth knowledge of onlya few things. Like you have a
knowledge that like spans somany different topics, and

(07:54):
centuries, and

Matt (07:56):
but it's usually on the surface. There's no yeah, there
are a few things that I dig alittle deeper on.

Siobhan (08:05):
Like you get interested into a subject. And you just
naturally research it. It's likeyou like to do homework all the
time.

Matt (08:12):
Yeah. Ancient ancient siege warfare. Free fun. Like

Siobhan (08:17):
we had a conversation about me starting to plan these
trips for Vanya, and travel andcommunal bathing. And the next
time I saw you, you were like,well with the guys, yeah. Well,
you're like, Oh, well, you know,I'm gonna try to do. I'm gonna
try to be like, oh, yeah, youknow, like, but even before

(08:37):
that, you're like, oh, have youseen this place in Italy? And
you've you've seen this like,and I'm like, No, I haven't. I
have. I'm focusing on where I'mgoing right now. And then I'm,
like, making a list of all theother places I have to look
into. But you already had likedelved into through almost all
of it.

Matt (08:54):
A little about baths.
Yeah,

Siobhan (08:56):
and but it's like your passion makes

Matt (08:59):
me sound kind of weird, actually. Because I don't take
baths in any sense. ancient ormodern.

Siobhan (09:06):
Strictly shower guy.
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't take oil.
No. No oil scraping. No, no. Ilike didn't take baths for a
long time. And now I'm inbecause I used to get bored in
them if I like. I was like,Okay, now what do I do? Like I

(09:27):
just sit here? That's it.

Matt (09:31):
I don't think I've taken a bath since I was a kid.

Siobhan (09:33):
Oh, when I moved out to California, I started taking
them all the time because myfirst place I stayed in, they
had two huge tubs. And I waslike, My body hurts. And my
cousin was like, Here, takethis. Like infused bath salts,
go take a bath. She's likeyou'll feel and I felt amazing.
And then I got obsessed withthem. And then I've just found

(09:53):
like better and better productsto be with. And then I do
communal bathing. Which is greattoo. So like, now I'm always in
a tub or water. And I love it.
But I'll bring I still, like getworried about being bored in it.
Like my phone is in thebathroom. Sometimes I set my
laptop up. So

Matt (10:13):
the bath itself doesn't quite bring you enough joy. No,

Siobhan (10:17):
but I also have ADHD.
So I need like six differentthings to pay attention to in
order to become.

Matt (10:23):
Isn't that the point though? What to try and only
think about one thing. You can'tthink about nothing. That's just
impossible. Yeah. And I guessthere's a couple things you're
thinking about. We can take abath. Yeah,

Siobhan (10:37):
like, yeah, and there's times that I don't drown. Yep.

Matt (10:44):
Don't pee because you're sitting. Yeah,

Siobhan (10:46):
that would be gross.
Yeah. Don't gamble on a fart.

Unknown (10:51):
No, no. Be very, very lucky. But yeah, yeah. But

Siobhan (10:57):
I mean, like I like to have sometimes I'll set my
laptop up and watch a TV show. Imean, on occasion, I just have
music playing and I'm like,probably smoking a bowl and
having some tea or something.
But, like, a lot of times, Ineed the other distractions and
you don't like you don't need alot of changes. Well, yeah, but

(11:18):
even in life, like, my bath iskind of a metaphor for the way I
live my life. I always havelike, multiple things going on.
Where you can like focus onthings, which is I don't know
it's

Matt (11:37):
something I do have a lot of distractions. I almost
thought about buying a liartoday. I don't need a liar.

Siobhan (11:44):
Is this a person? Oh,

Matt (11:47):
instrument.

Siobhan (11:48):
How many instruments do you play with right now? I'm
saying play with because I

Matt (11:54):
didn't know what we're doing. No.

Siobhan (11:56):
Not in this moment. You

Matt (11:59):
just the mandolin?
Basically. Little bit of Banjo.
Banjo.

Siobhan (12:08):
How many instruments do you own? Too many? Yeah, see,
that was a better way to phrasethat mandolins

Matt (12:14):
couple mandolins. I'd want to spot a new one. It's actually
my favorite. But I'm gonna giveone to mark. So for five
mandolins

Siobhan (12:26):
banjo, two banjos,

Matt (12:28):
five string and four string? Oak bass, cello, some
guitars and a goose Allah?

Siobhan (12:38):
What's a Lucilla?

Matt (12:40):
It's a one stringed bulk Balkan instrument. I think it's
actually the national instrumentof Serbia. Oh, but don't quote
me on that.

Siobhan (12:50):
Okay. Do you want to go to a bulkhead night of music?

Matt (12:55):
That seems very specific.
Is that a thing? Yes. Oh,

Siobhan (12:58):
I know the woman that puts it on because she is from
Serbia. Really? Yes. She'smarried to a Russian from
Siberia. So I always have tostop myself because I'm like,
sounds too similar. What soundstoo similar. Siberia and Serbia
Serbia? I don't know why mybrain always just

Matt (13:20):
Gotcha. Well, yeah, then she would possibly know. I think
most most cultures in that area.
Eventually they started usingtwo stringed instruments. I got
into some Mongolian folk music.
It's awesome. throat singing andJoe harping. Oh, I have to Joe

(13:42):
harp. That's an instrument. Oh,yeah. I

Siobhan (13:43):
wanted to see what that is. Because I can't

Matt (13:45):
again, I could have had one. I know next time.

Siobhan (13:49):
This won't be your only appearance. No,

Matt (13:52):
but I'm actually going to bring the Google out tonight for
the first time because I thinkI've got it tuned. Nice, but
it's not gonna stay in tune verylong.

Siobhan (14:01):
One string is really hard to keep in tune or.

Matt (14:06):
Yeah. Yeah, because it's horsehair. So it's basically
it's it's not a very pleasantsounding instrument.
If you if you search it, and youknow, maybe even Wikipedia, I
think it says in not so manywords. It's an acquired chased

(14:27):
sound. It's been calledscreechie.

Siobhan (14:31):
Oh, interesting adjective for Yeah, instrument.
But

Matt (14:35):
apparently they use them to accompany epic poetry. So
it's the I'm sure I can fit itin somewhere. Yep.
I'll let you know how it goes.

Siobhan (14:53):
I will. Yeah, I want to know,

Matt (14:54):
well, maybe it'll definitely be featured on
Webster street tapes.

Siobhan (14:58):
I was just gonna say well, definitely. be able to
hear at some point. Yeah.
Webster street tapes is your newkind of, it's just being
birthed. I mean, the idea hasbeen around for a while and
you've been collecting someaudio for a while. Yeah,

Matt (15:13):
I got some good stuff.
Hope to get bored. But yet drewDrew and I kind of came up with
it. I realized there's a lot ofmusicians on Webster street.
They always just kind of hangout and play on Webster Street.

Siobhan (15:28):
Well, I think there was a couple guys who kind of
started that. Is that you anddrew? Oh, yeah. Like often, open
mic would hang out. Mark. Mark.
Mark

Matt (15:41):
is very much a person who influenced the Let's just hang
out and play music outside.
Yeah. Wednesday's tonight shouldbe actually pretty good. Because
it might be our first and onlypractice for Saturday. Oh,

Siobhan (16:00):
what do you what tennis show do you have on Saturdays
for 20? Show a fireside? Oh,that's right. Oh, with Jethro
right through on his man. And Ijust did an episode that we're
gonna that will come out beforethis one. With him. No, it was
just an AI talking about herlife and, and that's where we
got some of the things thatwe've been trying to rope you

(16:21):
into. And honest dad just passedaway. So no, no, so sad. She's
back in the Dr. Taking care ofthat. And we sent her and all
her family love. Her dad soundslike an he was an incredible
guy. Yeah. I mean, she's dope.
So he has to be I mean, it hasto be but it helps. So I didn't
know that Anna was not actuallyfrom the Dr. Like she didn't

(16:44):
grow up there. I thought shegrew up there and then moved
here. But she grew up in SouthDakota. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't.

Matt (16:56):
For some reason I was thinking democratic republic.
Oh. And waiting for the

Siobhan (17:02):
not the Dominican Republic. Yes. Okay. Yeah, no,
no, she was I thought she wasborn there.

Matt (17:07):
Right? No, she was born in South Dakota. Yes. I knew she
grew up

Siobhan (17:11):
there. Yeah. I thought she grew up in it because she
every time. So as long as I'veknown her when she goes home to
see her parents, they're in theDominican Republic. So I just
automatically thought that'swhere she grew up. And then when
we were here talking about it, Ilearned so much.

Matt (17:27):
I think when I met her, I think I said you might be the
only person I know from SouthDakota. And she said, you know,
everyone says that. I didn'tmean to be original. I was just
stating a fact.

Siobhan (17:42):
Yeah, when people always state the same thing to
you when they meet you. I thinkit just gets old. Having fun

Matt (17:47):
facts. You don't do that, that people say nothing

Siobhan (17:51):
about like being a Georgia peach or anything.

Matt (17:55):
No people meet people from Georgia all the time. That's
true.

Siobhan (17:59):
You grew up in Georgia.
And then when did you move outto California?

Matt (18:03):
In 2015? What

Siobhan (18:06):
made you come out here?
A job? You do a reallyinteresting job. I think it's
interesting. The

Matt (18:14):
one I do now. Yeah, it is.
Three jobs later. Yeah,

Siobhan (18:18):
but because you I actually I mean, I know what you
do. But like I for the longesttime knew you ordered like
equipment. Okay, Linda? Youknow, okay,

Matt (18:28):
good. Continue? Well,

Siobhan (18:31):
well, I knew that you like order you like kind of the
inventory guy. And it's not agood way to explain it that way.
Why don't you tell us what youdo?

Matt (18:40):
I do supply chain. Yeah.
Okay. I find things and I buythings. Yes. But what

Siobhan (18:44):
can you tell us? Do you have to get permission to talk
about your job? I should haveasked you that before we sat
down. I mean, that's really whywe're here to like to talk about
more like, I

Matt (18:56):
don't think so. I mean, I don't, to my knowledge, I don't
know of anything that's topsecret, but it's Kairos power,
right. It's an engineeringcompany that is developing a
small modular reactor.

Siobhan (19:14):
So like, you deal with hazard, like you buy hazardous
materials sometimes, right? No,no.

Matt (19:21):
So the headquarters here, it's a lab. r&d lab. Okay, so
it's tests. It's mostly just rawmaterial to build fancy test
stands and yeah.

Siobhan (19:40):
But like, it's a nuclear company, right. Like
nuclear energy. Yes. Yeah.

Matt (19:44):
That's the end goal.

Siobhan (19:45):
Yeah. Oh, that's okay.
So I guess I don't know thatmuch about Karis power to. Yeah,
so

Matt (19:51):
we're planning on building a test reactor in Tennessee
called Hermes. That's knownabout Yeah,

Siobhan (20:02):
well, you can edit this to to get anything.

Matt (20:07):
Or I can just ask Ashley.
And we can pretend that nexttime what I can say and can't
say yeah, it's not that supersecret what I do. It's a lot of
sciency stuff. It's a lot ofit's a lot of material science.
You know, a lot of scale testingof, you know, I don't want to
say simple physics andthermodynamics, but you know,

(20:29):
it's a

Siobhan (20:32):
simple for you guys.
For

Matt (20:34):
them. Yeah, not me. No.
There's a lot of shit going on.
Yeah.

Siobhan (20:44):
And like, you get to buy all their shit, which is
kind of fun.

Unknown (20:48):
Not all their shit.
Well,

Matt (20:51):
the boring shit goes to someone else to buy. I get that
I get to enter. I get to buystuff that's complex and
requires conversations withsuppliers.

Siobhan (21:05):
Yeah, your job just seems very interesting. I know.
It probably doesn't to you. Butto me, it does. Yeah.

Matt (21:13):
Yeah, it's not really useful.

Siobhan (21:16):
And impresses us.

Matt (21:17):
I mean, it's, it's, I just learned fun tidbits. But I have
to trudge through some tediousstuff. It's fun, though.

Siobhan (21:29):
Yeah, it's that. And if you can enjoy what you do, it
makes everything else better.

Matt (21:36):
I just learned that for a little while. The Macedonians
had bullet arrows that they usedto shoot. It's like a slingshot,
but it was an arrow. And theybasically used it like a, like a
slingshot version of crossbow.
Oh, wow. Yeah. It didn't lastvery long. And no one quite
knows what exactly it lookedlike or was used. But there's a

(22:00):
bunch of nerds that have goneout into fields and tried to
figure it out.

Siobhan (22:09):
I was listening today to Joe Rogan. And he had Graham
Hancock and Clints. I'm notgonna remember that other guy's
name. Fucking Atlantis. Yes.
They were talking about Atlantiswhile they were talking. Yeah,
because they were talking aboutGraham Hancock. And I actually
was like, I should have askedMatt to listen to this before we
sat down.

Matt (22:26):
No, you don't want my opinion? Because very critical?

Siobhan (22:29):
Well, because they were talking about Graham Hancock is
the guy on Netflix that had theancient apocalypse. And he's
like a big fan of the dryasImpact Theory. And I actually do
want to know your thoughts onthis? Because I know you've
probably read a lot about it. Imean, compared to me, you read a
lot about it.

Matt (22:48):
Let's clarify. I don't know what's the what's the
theory? Well,

Siobhan (22:57):
Graham Hancock series like archaeologists came out and
like have just been trashing himfor his that show, which I have
not watched yet. On my list.

Matt (23:06):
I've heard it's, yeah, people were saying that it
should be treated as a fictionalmockumentary or something,

Siobhan (23:18):
right? And so Graham Hancock's thing is, like, why,
like if you archaeologist kindof as a whole, if you guys have
only dig like a really smallpercentage. Why do you keep
thinking like, nothing could bepossible before what you know.
Like, if like the Sahara,they've done, like, I don't
know, 5% of that. And so he'slike, what you're telling me

(23:40):
though, so whole Sahara hasnothing else to offer you
because you dug up 5% of it. Andhe's like Graham Hancock's kind
of thing is how you justdismissing when you don't really
know. Or that's the point that Ikind of took from it. And the
other guy is saying, becausewe've covered more than that.
And he's like, Well, how muchmore and the other guy is like
quite a bit more but couldn'tgive any numbers. And he just

(24:02):
was saying like, well, we'venever seen anything like this
one thing that you have GrahamHancock is like, okay, but if
you haven't seen it, maybe couldit exist? So

Matt (24:10):
here's, here's, here's my problem with that is, is that is
I didn't study logic orsophistry or any of that stuff.
Okay. But that's a prettybullshit answer to say that.

(24:32):
Just because it doesn't exist,doesn't mean it couldn't exist,
right? Like, that's essentiallyhis just, and that's called
fiction.

Siobhan (24:41):
Right? Well, and Graham Hancock is saying, like, this is
the stuff I found we need to domore because maybe all of this
stuff really is older than wethought maybe there is more of
this, which he's saying likethere's a possibility. Here's
like, he's like, and I thinkarchaeologists should do more
investigation. And thearchaeologists are like we
already know all we know Solike, that's been stupid, I

(25:02):
listened

Matt (25:02):
to a listen to one interview of Graham Hancock
interviewing this guy who, youknow, the guy was not I don't
know if he was trying to push anagenda or but he was he was not
good at asking him questions.
And that's where, like thesophistry comes in. And, and the
way it's presented. And theywere talking about, you know,

(25:29):
black guilt, but guilt, Beckytemplates.

Siobhan (25:33):
They were talking about that today, too. And

Matt (25:35):
the question was, okay, well, if, if these were built by
ancient advanced civilization,why is there no physical
evidence for any tools? Or theonly, you know, the only tools

(25:57):
they found were tools known fromthat era? Why? And his response
was, you know, well, you know,maybe they realized that when
they did it with their tools,their way, it didn't work out
for them. So they were going tostart fresh, and they were just
going to use and so yeah, thatis a that's a story. And you're

(26:18):
just taking a lot of bits andpieces. And some see, I should
have. I did look into this alittle bit. The guy, the guy,
that 19th century guy that wrotea lot of bogus stuff, that that

(26:41):
is, I believe, one of hissources.

Siobhan (26:46):
Yeah, I haven't watched it, but it was just interesting
to listen to them. And I haven'tread about it. I mean, I've read
different, like, little blurbsand like, mostly like, you know,
Facebook or Instagram shit, butlike nothing in depth. Yeah,
it's on a list of things I wantto learn about. It's

Matt (27:01):
it's like, since it's just an sensationalism. I mean, so
it's, it's, but it's presentedin a way that, that if you if
you don't think that there'ssomething crazy extraordinary
going on, then you're not openminded, right? Or that you're
conservative. And so people arelike, No, I want to be liberal.

(27:22):
So I'm going to, I'm going to,you know, listen to what this
this story. And it's, it's like,me reading the story of ancient
Rome. Like, it's, it's a story.
I mean, it gives me fun factsthat, you know, other, much more
intelligent people, luckily,have done the research on and

(27:42):
they give me nice littlefootnotes, or endnotes that I
can you know, when something issaid it can be qualified as
well, this turned out to not betrue. But it's not there's what
good okay, if all that's true,

Siobhan (28:00):
so then what? Right?
Well, yeah, it doesn't changeany of us something

Matt (28:04):
to strive for, are we to look for to try to understand
more?

Siobhan (28:10):
Well, I think people are trying to learn more about
the past to understand maybe howwe got here, where we're going,
or what could happen to us like,but the thing, and you just said
something, too, is like you saidlike it's an advanced
civilization, like they have toomany descriptors in it. Like, is
the baseline that you're tryingto figure out? Is were there
humans before we thought thatwere humans? Like, instead of

(28:32):
being like, Oh, they must havebeen an advanced civilization?
Like, why are you putting thaton it? Like, are you just trying
to figure out if people existedand something happened? And then
like, there weren't, or theremust have been like, a smaller
population of humans. And then,like, you know what I mean,
like, we redid the Stone Age,because we got blasted to
smithereens. Like, if you'retrying to figure out that I get

(28:55):
that, like, and I am interestedin that, like, could that have
happened? Did we already havelike a, you know, 90% of the
population was wiped out. Andlike, we're like the
continuation. Yeah.

Matt (29:04):
And I mean, there are flood stories across cultures
that it all takes placesignificantly, you know, before
their times, right. So, but whoknows what that looked mean. I
think people have surmised whatthat looked like. But I mean,

(29:29):
whether or not that wiped outeveryone or did not wipe out
everyone and a few survived, Ithink, do they? That's it's pre
flood. They're, like pre floodcivilizations, essentially.
Right? Yeah.

Siobhan (29:41):
Well, some of this is like, even like Atlantis, right?
Which

Matt (29:47):
it came from Plato, a dialogue of Plato, right. Well,
they

Siobhan (29:52):
were saying like Atlantis is somehow related to
being racist and whitesupremacist, and like it was
trying to tell take things away.
And there was some of it that Ihave to go and research because

Matt (30:03):
I heard they were sexist, too. They didn't like women.

Siobhan (30:08):
Shocking. You don't mean but that was like, what I
like if it's Atlantis, like,Wouldn't it be? Not white
people? Like, isn't that kind ofyou're like, that's not. But I
also was never like whetherAtlantis and maybe this is a
point of privilege, like, how islike it's not like being like,
Oh, well in Jerusalem, it wasall white people back in warth

(30:31):
century, like, you know, like wewere, and

Matt (30:34):
then later on, it's referred to vary a few times and
in history sort of historicalsources. I think Theodore has
mentioned that, but it also losta great battle to some random
tribe in Africa, right? And it'slike, well, so if Atlantis was

(30:54):
even a city or something, theyweren't that good at fighting.
They lost to thesemotherfuckers. So then, then,
that's not worth praising them.
And I think, I mean, come on it.
If anybody's read enough, Plato,you realize that I mean, he's,

(31:15):
he's literally putting storiesin other people's characters
mouths, right. So he's trying tonot prove a point is trying to
show a point. So if you take himliterally at face value, I mean,
his, his grandfather heard itfrom someone who heard it from

(31:37):
someone. I mean, it's just thebeginning of it the way he says,
it sounds like, this is going tobe a tall tale, right? Let's see
if we can learn any morallessons from it. And I don't
know. And then it it kind ofblew up. It's so strange. It's
only this one little small partof the Timaeus I think it is.

(32:02):
And yeah, what what people thinkof Atlantis now is from from
that is amazing, right? Thismyth, the mythology behind it
yet?
It's a fairy tale to me, right?

Siobhan (32:18):
And then to like, attach, like, and then to attach
like white supremacy to if itwas, I don't like I said, I
haven't done enough research.
But just like the story ofAtlantis to be like, Oh, that's
from the Nazis. Like, what what?
Like, that doesn't make sense tome. And

Matt (32:35):
they probably watched a History Channel documentary
about the Nazis fascination withthe occult. And someone probably
said something about themlooking for Atlantis. And then
they're like, oh, yeah, they'relooking for it.

Siobhan (32:50):
Okay. Yeah. But like, that doesn't immediately make me
think like, oh, Atlantis musthave been white people. Like
that, I guess.

Matt (33:01):
Apparently, they weren't even. I mean, were they even
human? Right?

Siobhan (33:07):
Well, then someone was like, you're trying to take away
someone's culture, and give itcredit to aliens? And I'm like,
Wait, so you're now you're madthat they're stealing a culture
you don't even know exist? No,there is no culture, the well,
the Atlantean cult, the UnityLantian culture. We don't even
know if Atlantis exists.
Exactly. Right. That's whatthey're saying. Like you're
giving now you're giving awaylike this people's culture and

(33:28):
traditions, and you're justchalking it up to it could be
aliens. And I'm like, You're madabout hypotheticals, on top of
hypotheticals. Yeah. Like, isthat people just trying to be
offended? Or am I like missing awhole other swath of something?

Matt (33:45):
No, again, I think I think the 19th century. I think a lot
of people were getting back intothe classics, reading the Greek
classics. And someone found thisstory and ran with it was like,
Alright, here's some He alreadycame up with the idea. I'm just

(34:07):
gonna run with it.

Siobhan (34:09):
Oh, my God, like in the 1980s video game based on it.
It's like in the 90s when whenthe was at the Beach Boys that
sang Kokomo and then everybodywanted to go to Kokomo and CoCo
was not a real place. That makessense. For people, I remember
reading a story in the 90s aboutpeople being upset with their
travel agents because they wouldnot book them a trip to Kokomo

(34:32):
and people were like it becauseit doesn't exist. It's in there
like it's in a song. Or like,now, what condo people want to
go to Wakanda and it's like,that's just in the Marvel
Universe. Oh, that's sad, right?
Like, oh,

Matt (34:47):
that's sad.

Siobhan (34:48):
Like, if it kinda existed, that would be amazing.
And our world would be a verydifferent place. But I've heard
people saying like, I want to gothere and like, oh,

Matt (34:56):
you know what I actually did look into that at some
point. I think there is somewhat is what?

Siobhan (35:08):
It's supposed to be somewhere in Africa, but it's
it's

Matt (35:12):
but isn't it sort of a Pangea like pre pre continental
separation?

Siobhan (35:19):
I don't think so.
Because it's like they go inthere's like a forcefield that
blocks anyone it's kind of likealmost the same present premise
as where Wonder Woman wasoriginally from like where
existed but you couldn'tactually see it because

Unknown (35:39):
well what

Matt (35:40):
choose Amazon right? Yes.
From where what was their Amazon

Siobhan (35:43):
Amazonian? I think like, I know, I think oh, I
don't know these. See that'sthat's actually she had an
island off of somewhere that wasbombed during the World War Two,
according to the movie. Oh shit,because that's

Matt (35:58):
true. Oh, so they're saying the Amazon slugs?

Siobhan (36:01):
Yeah, cuz she in a I think it's the first one she
comes like she comes to Americatalking about the actual movie

Matt (36:11):
fictitious

Siobhan (36:15):
Yeah, see, I know things from movies you know
things from you know, that

Matt (36:19):
the Amazon River. That's where it got its name from the
story of the Amazon the ancientstory to the Amazons. So
apparently this one ship on thisexpedition can't tell you the
year they they got lost there.
They they basically ended upsailing the entire Amazon River

(36:41):
out to the Atlantic Ocean. Okay.
Most of them died. But theyended up calling it the Amazon
River because at some point, thestory goes I think it was a cook
or a doctor this someone'saccount said that there were

(37:02):
large female warriors, shootingarrows at them. Oh, wow. And so
they're like, Oh, those areAmazon's and so and this these
are Spanish. Like pre con keysthat are probably and so that's
why it got its name. Oh, wow. Ithink I'm pretty sure

Siobhan (37:18):
I like that story.
Named

Matt (37:21):
I just I mean, when you look at the Amazon ads it's kind
of amazing that these peopleactually survived and made it
because down the entire riverit's fucking long. Oh, that's
what you need in here. I

Siobhan (37:36):
need a map. I was just thinking the same thing. Well, I
keep thinking about moving a TVhere and hooking it up so my
computer so like we could dolike little when we have to look
something up. And then yeah, thestudents still coming together.
Yeah, you like my walls that aremade possible by you. Oh, this
was your PVC. Oh, this one'sthis pipe. Oh, on the wall. But

(37:58):
behind you. Yeah, me. All right.
That's the PVC pipe setup. Yougave me a fun little tool. Yeah.

Matt (38:05):
I'd like to zoom around.

Siobhan (38:07):
Yeah, well, eventually, because you know, when I get
popular Hair flip, I take it ontour. I want to be able to bring
the whole vibe with me.

Matt (38:17):
How's this on soundproofing? Oh, it's

Siobhan (38:19):
terrible. Oh, it's not soundproof at all. Okay, it's
just a living. Well, it's aplastic wall.

Matt (38:25):
So if I'm bringing an instrument I should bring some
acoustic pianos. Yeah, I

Siobhan (38:29):
figured eventually I'll put some soundproofing behind
them. Like add some of that.
Luckily my neighbors are reallyquite

Matt (38:36):
odd. Pretty little pod.
That is soundproof well that's

Siobhan (38:41):
kind of what I'm building when we get because I
figure I can. What we're talkingabout y'all it's my pod walls. I
use some PVC piping and somefabric and string really and so
it all together made littlewalls for my apartment that are
collapsible and light to ship.
My my purple haze weed wall

Matt (39:04):
that she got to learn how to use a PVC pipe

Siobhan (39:06):
cutter I did, which was amazing that you gave it to me
and they're so quiet. I did thisat like 1130 at night and I live
in an apartment. It's quiet.
Yeah, and luckily my neighborsare pretty quiet. The only time
I can't record is when thelandscapers

Matt (39:20):
are here. Do you have do you hear people upstairs?

Siobhan (39:23):
Oh yeah. For the longest time, because someone
told me it's because my ADHD Ialways either have like my TV on
or music on. Like my apartmentis almost never quiet. I sleep
with a sound machine so likewhen I'm getting ready for bed.
They turn that on so there'slike the sound of rain always in
my house. And someone told methat's because of ADHD but

(39:44):
because of that I don't myapartment is ever really quiet
so I never noticed how it's inmy walls where Oh yeah. And then
I've been trying to learn tomeditate and quiet now and
stuff. I've heard like myneighbor upstairs sneeze and I'm
like, Oh,

Matt (39:56):
can I can I learn to play my accord In here, sorry, not
it's not it's very loud. Iforgot that that's another
instrument. I bought anaccordion from a guy off the
street.

Siobhan (40:06):
How long have you had the accordion?

Matt (40:11):
Two months. But it's it's a 120 base. So it's got a shit
ton of buttons. And I can'treally play the piano keyboard
part. And it's super loud. So Ineed to just go to the park and

(40:32):
noise everyone because it's, I'mnot just gonna it's not going to
be good at it.

Siobhan (40:38):
And it's an accordion even when you aren't good at it.
Is it enjoyable?

Matt (40:41):
Hell, yeah. Well, just kidding. Just for just for a
little accompaniment. Yes.

Siobhan (40:49):
There's a do that goes to the beach and drums a lot.
Because when I if I kind ofannoying though, if I can get
into my afternoon walk justdrums. Yeah, it's kind of some
kind of Bongo or something. Idon't know. But it's enjoyable.
And I can hear it for like, atleast probably a good quarter of

(41:09):
a mile to keep time. Yeah, it'sit's good drumming too. That's
why it's enjoyable. Where'sthis? He sits at Crown Cove. He
sits at right at the end of likewhere that little Whoopty whoop
is he sits there at the bench.
So he's playing kind of outtowards the water. So when I'm
coming down this way from crabto crab Cove, I can hear it for
like, I mean, I can probablyhear it for a half mile

(41:32):
roundtrip like wow, it's like agood quarter of a mile. I'm on
my way. Probably a good quarterof a mile when I can start to
hear it. And I usually have oneearphone in. Okay, let me give
you another Sure.

Matt (41:46):
I just realized if you change the T in reality to a D
It would still say reality butit would also say real idea. Oh
wow

Siobhan (42:02):
that's pretty cool. Oh yeah, well maybe that'll be our
shoe podcast

Matt (42:13):
or get a t shirt. That looks kind of like a D or a D
that could also pass as a tea.
Do

Siobhan (42:20):
you like a tea cup?
They're like a half a tea cup.

Matt (42:24):
Sideways te comm B A D? O can have fun with that BT cup
though.

Siobhan (42:35):
Do a tea pot to just would have a dangling D

Matt (42:45):
That's what you call

Unknown (42:48):
tingling.

Siobhan (42:50):
Stevie calls Donna. Oh no, that's ding dong.

Matt (42:57):
Tingling that's that Chuck Berry song. Oh my dingling Yeah.
Not one that gets covered veryoften.

Siobhan (43:06):
I think that should be your next open mics on Oh, no.
Come on. You could update it.
No,

Matt (43:13):
it's not worth updating.
Yeah, not one of my favorites.

Siobhan (43:21):
Has music always been your passion? Or did that
develop later? Because I knowyou have a lot of different
hobbies and talents but

Matt (43:32):
I don't know if I'd call it I think it's probably as
close to a passion as I haveI've always known I mean, I
haven't I didn't really get intomusic until I was 15 for 14
Well, I knew music because thedrive to church was fucking like

(43:53):
45 minutes 3545 minutes and soyou know we listen to a lot of
Jesus radio like Christian poprock bullshit. But there was W
BBQ that had the oldies. So Ithink those some of those stuck

(44:15):
with me. But I didn't really,you know, get into it. Then my
brother had some Marilyn Mansonand some tool CDs. I listened to
those and I was like, Momconfiscated them. Oh, because
you know, it's obviously fromthe devil. And so, but one thing
that I did have with the BlackSabbath tape, okay, and on one

(44:39):
side for some reason, I don'tknow if one side had paranoid
and one side had Heaven andHell. Which I don't know if you
can put a whole album on oneside of a tape.

Unknown (44:55):
I think you know, so maybe it was two tapes. Anyways.

Matt (44:58):
I picked pair annoyed and listened to it, and I was like,
this is really fucking cool. Andthat's how I found Led Zeppelin.
And then the the first album LPI ever bought was Jethro Tull
aqualung. And then I justlistened to music. I played bass
guitar when I was fifth 14th or15th. I worked at the JCC day

(45:24):
camp as a counselor, which I waswith seven and eight year olds.
But the oldest group of kids,there was 12, I think I was 14,
my first year was 15. And theypaid you fucking peanuts, but it
was enough to get an open asbass guitar. And I just, I don't

(45:45):
know, if ultimate guitar wasaround, then they had tabs
online. And so I just, you know,learned bass tabs from the songs
I liked on the radio. And then Itook lessons from the guy
church, because my dad playedguitar and sort of the praise
band, the you know, the morecasual service praise band at

(46:07):
church.

Siobhan (46:09):
You didn't grew up Catholic though. You grew up at
a Baptist. Yeah. And SouthernBaptist in Georgia,

Matt (46:15):
their music? Looking back on it. It's kind of shit. I
mean, I don't know if everybodyif just people couldn't sing.
But the shit we sang didn'treally have any soul to it.
Gusto pretty bland and boring.

Siobhan (46:33):
Was it a big church?

Matt (46:37):
I mean, it was it was very small when it started. And like,
my parents started going therewhen I was a baby. And it got
not megachurch size, but it wasI couldn't tell how many people
I had, right? decently big. Butthen so the I took formal
lessons for the base and youknow, go through a couple on

(46:59):
it's very, you know, verymundane, boring. Starting from
the basics of, there's like awhole that here's, you know,
this is E this is a, like Inoticed and so I like three
lessons in I think I learned asong. And he's like, Oh, right

(47:22):
on. And so I played a forum. Andit was it might have been at the
end of the lesson, actually. Andit was Black Sabbath. What song
was it? It was I think it wasthe paranoid intro doo doo doo.

(47:43):
And here's a go. And he didn'treally comment on it. But then
apparently, he got fired as astudent. Or he retired
apparently when he told my mom

Siobhan (47:55):
Oh, couldn't teach the devil child.

Matt (47:58):
I guess not. I don't know.
I was just trying to show himthat you can advance this a
little bit and approach thisfrom a I don't know. Better Way.
And then I learned as the yearswent by, I learned, you know,
few cowboy chords on guitar.
Nothing serious. Yeah, then Ijust really love listening to

(48:20):
music from the time of15 until today. And I just have
this weird not knowledge. I canI can. Because it's huge music
list library in my head. That'staking up a lot of room. I think

(48:42):
overall, because

Siobhan (48:46):
you like non, what I would consider non traditional
music like you've gotten intolike the Oh, yeah. Like you go
down these rabbit holes ofgenres. And

Matt (48:57):
it's Mongolian folk. Good.

Siobhan (49:04):
The throat singing your big fan throat singing

Matt (49:06):
is really cool. And actually, Mark has a bass
harmonica, which is just a giantfucking harmonica that looks
like a clown problem. But it'sactually a bass harmonica. Oh,
wow. And he was playing it andthen I pulled one of my jaw
harps out and started playing itand sounds fucking awesome.

(49:27):
Thing is the jaw harp. I don'tthink it's really an a key. And
it's weird. So it's

Siobhan (49:36):
a jar. HARP. Yeah, like a lot of I still haven't seen a
lot of

Matt (49:42):
breathing very breathy.
Yeah. Because that's how youkind of give it rhythm is like,
like,

Siobhan (49:48):
Oh yeah, you gotta practice your Holotropic
breathing for that.

Matt (49:53):
I don't know. I'm pretty good at it. I can last longer
than mark on the harmonica. Havethis weird Long ability. Like
when we recover one song,there's a very versatile end, I
hold the note, and I can holdit. And I keep holding it. And I
keep holding it. And like if Timsinging with me, I just he stops

(50:13):
eventually. And then I'll holdit for a little bit longer. And
then I have

Siobhan (50:17):
you ever done like breath work or is it just
something that

Matt (50:21):
I mean, I figure if breathing is involuntary doing
it well. shouldn't be thatdifficult.

Siobhan (50:28):
You would think? Right, my breath holder so I don't
breathe. Well. Well, I'll hold

Matt (50:35):
my breath since I was about six and I've been smoking
since I was 16. Oh, so that'ssmart. No, it's not stupid.

Siobhan (50:44):
That's kind of a no if you remember me i I will

Matt (50:48):
I will be quitting soon though.

Siobhan (50:52):
We would like to keep you around for a while. And Lung
Cancer sucks.

Matt (50:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna already have the patches and go back and
finish the pack of cigarettesthat I just bought because I
forgot I was gonna quit that I'mgonna quit

Siobhan (51:09):
you should try getting hypnotized

Matt (51:11):
to I can't I'm not I don't think I'm susceptible. So here's
the thing I think me questioningwhether or not I'm susceptible
to hypnotism means that I'malready not susceptible to
hypnotism

Siobhan (51:25):
now I'm interested because I don't

Matt (51:29):
I guess a part of it is I don't want to be I don't trust
people especially to have weirdskills like that. Like if your
buddy does it too sure. But yougotta get this creepy, like
Washington, geriatrician to?
hypnotize me then Whoa, you

Siobhan (51:44):
don't go to creepy washed up magician.

Matt (51:48):
Where do you get a hypnotize me from?

Siobhan (51:50):
They have them there.
Some therapists have one. Idon't know if they do. I'll have
to ask me. That'd be goodaddition.

Matt (51:57):
I can grow a pencil mustache.

Siobhan (52:00):
Now into the creepy

Matt (52:02):
and a top.

Siobhan (52:03):
I don't have a cape.
But you're going to the creepymagician.

Matt (52:06):
I can make I can make a spiral spinning board. Some
therapists

Siobhan (52:12):
practice hypnotism so that's where you go to because
they're professional now whereI'm going to have to find a
hypnotist at interview.

Matt (52:19):
Do you think that they would know someone was bucking
with them? And was going to be

Siobhan (52:26):
shittier their job?

Matt (52:28):
Yeah, would not be Oh yeah.

Siobhan (52:30):
I've seen like comedy shows where they hypnotized like
the crowd. You know what I mean?
And I've seen like where they'llhypnotize people on stage. And
I've seen some people do crazythings, but I also don't think I
could get hypnotized becausethere's a part of me that's just
like, this is complete bullshit.
You're bullshit. But I knowpeople that have gone to a
hypnotist to stop smoking and ithas worked. I'd

Matt (52:51):
say if you want to hypnotize me. If I was on
mushrooms, I might be a littlemore susceptible to be
hypnotized. Okay. That alsomight be dangerous for the
hypnotized because it might turnon them. Because that should
opens

Siobhan (53:05):
up portals that we still don't understand. Yeah.

Matt (53:09):
I mean, portals. I think it just

Siobhan (53:14):
pathways sorry, I should have said path processes.
Yeah.

Unknown (53:18):
But

Matt (53:20):
like a mechanical you know, electrical network,
obviously, you can overdo it.

Siobhan (53:28):
Oh, yeah, for sure. I just did a heroic dose. Like
you're

Matt (53:32):
not like your body evolved to not have that many processes
going on in your brain at once.
Is it my opinion. So when youtake LSD and mushrooms, it
you're processing shit on a muchfaster level. And I think a lot
of it's subconscious. But Ithink that's what people think

(53:58):
that they're God because they'rejust processing things at 10x
The normal and which, you know,for some is still less than
others.

Siobhan (54:14):
That's very true. And for some It's unfathomable. i

Matt (54:19):
It's fun. I enjoy it.
It's, it's, I respectpsychedelics,

Siobhan (54:25):
I microdose a lot. And I'm, I tell people that I share
mushrooms with people all thetime. I've

Matt (54:33):
never consistently done I've taken small doses. But I'd
say I did a lot of mushrooms inhigh school to do which probably
fucked up my brain development,because I realized that I did
almost all my drugs, the onesthat didn't keep doing from 16
to 18.

Siobhan (54:55):
Wow, that's a short period, and it's really like
develop mentally importantperiod. I know. I did
everything. Yeah. See, I didn'tdo drugs back then because I was
so scared of them, right. Like,I had an uncle who overdosed
when I was young, like he gotinto. He got into serious drugs.

(55:15):
And I was there for it and saw alot of it firsthand. I grew up
with I mean, I'm Irish Catholicfrom Boston, like, I have 19.
Goals. I have nine. No, I have10 Uncles, and I would say seven
of them have been in theprogram, or in different
versions of it. Like I honestlydidn't realize AAA wasn't part

(55:37):
of Catholicism until I was like,Oh,

Matt (55:39):
shit. That's, that's, that's way different than So,
Southern Baptists don't drink.
They make a point of it. There'sa joke that in the south, it's
like, Why do Why do liquorstores have drive throughs
because the Baptist, they don'twant anybody to know that
they're drinking. So drinkingwas not a thing, but I don't it

(56:03):
was less religion at our house.
I think it was because my mom'sone of my mom's grandparents was
an alcoholic. And so her fathermade sure to raise his family in
an non alcoholic household. AndI think something of similar,

(56:27):
something similar happened on myfather's line. So my father
didn't grow up in a house thathad an alcohol, therefore,

Siobhan (56:34):
you didn't grow.

Matt (56:35):
So but it only took 15 years for me to find I never
really had a problem alcohol.
But yeah, I enjoyed it all.
Mushrooms. I mean, that was thefunnest thing I used to do was
fresh mushrooms, and then, youknow, do the dumb shit. And
intravenous shit. And then Igraduate high school.

Siobhan (56:59):
I never graduated to intravenous stuff, and I'm
really like, grateful for that.
But I think also because I hadthat one uncle that had.
Alright, so and when I say I'vedone uncles, those are my blood
uncles. I have probably 20Uncles, because then I have nine
ons. So like, yeah, I have ninearts blood related. So then all
of those that 19 All hassignificant others. Yeah. So

(57:23):
like, basically, my uncles arealmost 40 people. So like, when
you have that many people yougrew up with like, and you have
my both my grandfather's werealcoholics and unhealthy people.
And like, you know, they raisedon a statistically

Matt (57:40):
insignificant, not a statistically insignificant
quantity of people, right? Yeah.
Your immediate family?

Siobhan (57:45):
Yeah. Like, well, people are like, you get people
so well. And I'm like, Yeah, Ididn't have a choice. I have
almost I like, I think almost atfirst cousins. And until I was
in my 20s. I saw all of themonce or twice a week. It wasn't
like we saw each other onholidays, like when we did. But
we also had Sunday dinners wehad, like Wednesday at Nana's

(58:06):
house, like your parents areboth working. So they just drop
you off at one of thegrandmother's house and let you
run feral, you know, like? So

Matt (58:14):
this leads me to a fascinating question. Having an
experience to why wide range ofpeople? Do you think that there
is a limited number of types ofpeople? Do you think that you

(58:34):
could somehow take personalitytie certain features of a human
and say that there's 12? Likethe psychologists, you know, all
the the they've tried to putthings into the five behave?
Yeah. Do you think that thathumans could be like, even if

(58:54):
you give them 12? See,I I see. I see. I think
depending on the right criteria,it might be possible. I

Siobhan (59:06):
don't only because people are always also shifting
and changing. Right. Like, yeah,so I you know, we've had when
you have that many people youhave, like so you have one
tragic event, right? Like, andmy family has been marked by a
bunch of them. So like, thereis, but there's like some really
poignant facts I can look atright? Like the first time one

(59:28):
of the siblings died, my dadhas, my dad grew up with 12
siblings. So the first time oneof them died, like I can
remember how it happened, andthen watching all of their
reactions, and the way itchanged their lives. You know
what I mean? Like so there waspeople that I think I could have
kept in granted I was a kid butnow thinking about it and

(59:49):
looking back at it. The samepeople that grew up in the same
house with the same conditionsall reacted in such vastly diff
Aren't we, in the positive andnegative, so like, you can't
categorize someone becausesomething happens and it shifts
fundamentally who they are. Butnot even all of them. Sometimes

(01:00:10):
it shifts just a small part. Sothe fact that we're always
evolving and hopefully evolving,but we're always shifting and
changing. And our perspectivesalways being slightly altered,
that it causes different partsof your life and different parts
of your personality to changeand shift. So I don't think you
can categorize people for morethan maybe six months at a time.

(01:00:31):
But if like something tragichappens, or something really
like, you know, they positive,like they win the lottery like,
but it doesn't even have like,they get a job that gets a huge
raise, like those things shift aperson so much in ways that we
don't understand. But it alsoshifts like how they interact
with the world in such adifferent way that I don't think

(01:00:53):
you can categories people like,I mean, broadly, I think you
can, but to get down to beinglike these 12 types of people, I
don't think that works. Becauselike I like, I'm very, when I'm
behind the bar, I'm a verydifferent person than when I'm
customer, right. Like, there'sdifferent parts of my

(01:01:14):
personality that served me inthat moment. But who I am
fundamentally doesn't actuallychange. Yeah. So I don't know
how you would measure

Matt (01:01:22):
that. Well, it also, it's more of an interactional thing.
So when people interact withother people. They're oftentimes
not presenting their, their trueself at that time, right.

Siobhan (01:01:40):
Everyone's amassed at different times for different
things. So let's see this.

Matt (01:01:45):
There are 12 masks. Okay, there we go. I'm gonna try and
define the 12 masks of humanity.

Siobhan (01:01:52):
I like it. I mean, I want to hear what you come up
with. Yeah, it's

Matt (01:01:55):
gonna take a while my list is long. I got books to write
albums to make.

Siobhan (01:01:59):
You know, that's one of the things I really enjoy about
you, because you have like thesehobbies, but then you have these
things that it's more than ahobby, like, Oh, it's just an
idea. i Yeah, but you are thetype of person that you will
eventually execute it all.

Matt (01:02:12):
Yeah, I'm a procrastinator though. But I did give myself a
date for the album, which is525 25. Oh,

Siobhan (01:02:19):
and you just said it out loud. And now we have it on
recording.

Unknown (01:02:22):
Oh, yeah.

Matt (01:02:23):
I mean, I've said Yes. Got it. Yeah,

Siobhan (01:02:25):
I get 525 25

Matt (01:02:27):
Yep. It's called Whiskey thief.

Siobhan (01:02:29):
I should just be getting home from another wild,
amazing European tour. Right off

Unknown (01:02:40):
the bat tour. Yes,

Siobhan (01:02:41):
I'm excited.

Matt (01:02:43):
Well, I, when anything bath related comes up in my
readings.

Unknown (01:02:49):
That, you know, oh,

Matt (01:02:53):
I started dabbling into east as far East Asia.

Siobhan (01:02:57):
I think I'm gonna go to Japan in October. To go on a
bathing like, I have to do a lotof research on that. And a lot
of it actually will not be myresearch. It's going to be I
have two different people. I'mgetting connected to to help
plan it. Because I can't evenimagine how to start. And then
most of the answers are there.
If you have tattoos, you can'tget into them. So I'm gonna have

(01:03:17):
to do and I'm gonna have to likedo a couple of maybe like, you
have tattoos. So you're comingto this one. You don't have
tattoos. So you have the optionof going to this one. And please
come tell us how it was

Unknown (01:03:33):
come from.

Siobhan (01:03:34):
In Japan. It's because of the Kusa Yakuza

Matt (01:03:38):
I was gonna ask. That seems. So some, some American
with a goldfish tattoo, agoldfish tattooed on her
shoulder? Cannot they suspectcould be Yakuza spy? Well,

Siobhan (01:03:52):
it's, yeah, they just wouldn't, I guess at the ice. So

Matt (01:03:56):
tattoos aren't a thing like they are here. It's only
for criminals.

Siobhan (01:04:00):
I think traditionally, it had been only for criminals.
And I think I heard I think I'veheard Russia is the same except
Russia hasn't.

Matt (01:04:08):
You have to have tattoos to go? Well, probably.

Siobhan (01:04:11):
They haven't implemented the same
restriction. But I think inRussia, because in Russia,
there's a saying that I'velearned or at least from the
Soviet Union, is there is nogenerals in the bathhouse.
There's no generals in thebanya. Everyone's because like
the banya used to be the onlyplace that bathroom. The banya
is what they call a Russianbathhouse. Okay. They call it a

(01:04:33):
bong Yeah,

Matt (01:04:34):
what was the what's the moral there? No general that

Siobhan (01:04:37):
a bath Oh, generals and a bath house. It means the bath
house in Russia used to be theor in the former Soviet Union
was the only place you didn'thave to worry about someone.
Like if you had a politicalconversation. You don't have to
worry about it. Oh, and wired oranyone

Matt (01:04:52):
buy that for one minute?

Siobhan (01:04:53):
I don't either. But it's that's there. I

Matt (01:04:55):
want you to think, well, you know,

Siobhan (01:04:58):
I'm also talking to the Russians at he'll be lying to me
about a number of things.

Matt (01:05:02):
I don't know. I'm just so these are people that that, ya
know from

Siobhan (01:05:05):
Russia? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'm saying I learned it from
Russians I know is they say backin the day at the UN, like when
they lived there it was theformer Soviet Union. And they
say like, you know, in thebanja, there is no generals. And
it's kind of the same way theylive. Now. It's like when you're
in the Vanya, it's a community.
It's more especially with theone I work with, like, it's for
fun. It's for buildingcommunity. It's for like

(01:05:26):
enjoyment. And he was like,today we were talking about my
trip to Istanbul and how thatwill be so different than the
places I've been. And he wasexplaining to me with Dr.
Brodsky, gentlemen, I'm speakingabout he was telling me about
how in back when he was inRussia, and how he wished he
could like show it to me, and Icould experience it. But he was

(01:05:47):
saying that the bad news,they're very different because
it's separated male and female.
And like how you would go therefor enjoyment and, you know,
relief and fun. It's more thanjust bathing. In some of those
bargains in Russia have the bestfood out of anywhere in Russia.

Matt (01:06:06):
Well, that's true. That's over to not a big fan of baths
and also not a big fan of food.
Convenience.

Siobhan (01:06:16):
Although I'm just learning this about you, is
gonna say I haven't seen youeat, but I've made you food. Now
I find it as an inconvenience.

Matt (01:06:27):
It's gotten to the point where there are too many
options. It's just you knowwhat, and I have to stop what
I'm doing. I kind of had threealbums by now. If I didn't have
to eat.

Siobhan (01:06:39):
Well, you could just eat the same thing all day every
day.

Matt (01:06:42):
I tried then then it gets to the point where you
physically can't eat it anymore.
I just Yeah, I mean, I tried oneof those awhile ago. One of the
it's a it's like a mealreplacement. The one of those
trendy

Siobhan (01:07:04):
like a shake thing.
Yeah, Soylent. All I can thinkabout is SlimFast Soylent

Matt (01:07:11):
is called Soylent.

Siobhan (01:07:13):
Just shut their pants.

Matt (01:07:14):
I drink some fast in high school. I did too. But you know
Soylent Green the movie about? Idon't. Yeah, that's where they
they grind up people turn intothe food. Yeah, it's all yeah,
check it out. Put on your movielist. Soylent? Green. No, I've
never

Siobhan (01:07:30):
heard of that movie.

Matt (01:07:31):
It's an old old

Siobhan (01:07:32):
old. Oh, I never did horror movies. Yeah. Ever. I
thought Jaws is blue. No,actually. I saw the this is
gonna date me. But you know, I'mproud of how old I am. I saw
that commercial for Chucky.
Okay, and got rid of all theadult dolls. I own just the
commercial. Did you go into

Matt (01:07:52):
you slip into a Boston accent? I probably you caught
yourself really? Well. You'relike, oh, oh, yeah.

Siobhan (01:07:59):
And sometimes it slides out. Yeah, sometimes it slides
out.

Matt (01:08:05):
I tried to tuck it back in. So you

Siobhan (01:08:08):
I saw a Chucky commercial and I got rid of it
did I got I used to have likethose masks a lot of dolls. I
did. I had and I was the firstgirl on my mom's side for 10
years, I was the onlygranddaughter or niece and so
they were wanting to be superwanted me to be super girly. I
had. So I had porcelain dolls. Ihad like the masks on my walls

(01:08:34):
like those ornate masks backfrom the 80s I had and then I
just like a shit ton of stuffedanimals. And I took them all out
of my room. One of my uncle'sdressed his kid as Chucky like I
don't know for Halloween, like,I don't know, six months or a
year later. And I was like,Yeah, I'm never babysitting that
kid again. I always

Matt (01:08:54):
even as a kid. I always wondered that to me. There was
one big pothole

Siobhan (01:09:02):
fucking Yeah, I didn't even make it to thinking about
that.

Matt (01:09:09):
I don't care how fast it is.

Siobhan (01:09:14):
But it came to life. I was just like, Nah, yeah, but

Matt (01:09:18):
to be scared that it's gonna murder me. Well, you
weren't

Siobhan (01:09:21):
a girl in the 80s everything was murdering us. I
mean, you were a boy. Yeah. Likethat's when the have you seen me
milk carton started? Like theyused to. You are younger than
me. I forget that sometimes. Butlike, I remember when at 10
o'clock legit. The news wouldsay it's 10pm. Do you know where

(01:09:42):
your kids are? That was anactual warning that they had to
put on TVs to remind parents tocheck on where their kids were.
Like, nobody gave a shit aboutus. And like, there was that's
when like, I mean, I live sevendays.

Matt (01:09:56):
I had like my bedtime was eight o'clock. So I remember as
a kid having to go to bed whenthe sun was still off. Oh, yeah,
I do too. When the time changeYeah. And there's kids, I'm not
gonna corner so there was kidsplaying around. I was like, Mom
gotta be

Unknown (01:10:14):
like, what?

Siobhan (01:10:16):
My mom was like strict in a way, but not in. Are you
saying? I mean a little bit whenI got older but like as a kid
like I was nine when I startedbabies. I was like nine and a
half when I started babysitting.
Oh, by 10 I had like the

Matt (01:10:31):
girls had their first babysitting job at the age of
13. So they just turned 14. Andthey did their first babysitting
job with the neighbor's kids,like three months ago. Yeah,

Siobhan (01:10:41):
that's cute. And 13 is probably like a good age when I
was 10. My cousin Laura was fourmonths old. And I was
babysitting her. And there's soI dropped the kid. No.

Matt (01:10:57):
Would you admit to it? If you did? Yes.

Siobhan (01:10:59):
Oh. She wasn't technically a kid.

Matt (01:11:05):
I thought you're gonna say wasn't technically a drop. And

Siobhan (01:11:08):
I wasn't technically babysitting. But Aaron Ford.
Kelly and I have been friendssince we're in kindergarten.

Matt (01:11:19):
You were the same age? No, it's

Siobhan (01:11:21):
your little sister.

Matt (01:11:23):
Couple years age difference. Yeah.

Siobhan (01:11:25):
And your letter earrings, I think? Four years.
Sorry.

Matt (01:11:34):
Oh, no, that's Erin. I'm sorry. No, she's someone to
blame. For all yourshortcomings. We

Siobhan (01:11:44):
flip over real railing.
My accent on whiskey one. WhichI was I was like doing
somersaults on my hand railing.
And she wanted to do it. I wastrying to help her. And like she
had a huge egg on her head

Matt (01:12:03):
and lost a few brain cells.

Siobhan (01:12:06):
We've been friends forever. So her sister Kelly and
I went to kindergarten together

Matt (01:12:10):
in the garden. Yeah, I haven't seen kindergarten. Yeah.
That's interestingpronunciation.

Siobhan (01:12:17):
How would you pronounce the garden kindergarten?

Matt (01:12:20):
Oh, that sounds a little better.
Kindergarten candy. You Cindykindergarten de KinderCare

Siobhan (01:12:27):
KinderCare. You were young. Sorry. No. And we lived
together in college. We've beenfriends. Oh, damn. Like we've
been close friends. Yeah, I havea bunch of girls that I've known
since kindergarten. And that westill keep in touch.

Matt (01:12:43):
I don't keep in touch with most people. What some people
think is being a dick. I justdon't, can't be bothered. I've
had good friends.

Siobhan (01:12:56):
Well, the best part about them is if I don't reach
out for six months, but I gohome. I'm like, yo, I'm home and
we'll go out for dinner. And itwon't be like any time passed.
But I don't have to like callthem on the daily or weekly or
see

Matt (01:13:09):
those people are ones I met from the age of 21 to 29. I
only like one kid that I knowfrom kindergarten that I kind of
saw on a semi regular basisbecause he was a musician and he
played a lot in downtownAugusta. Where I was bartending.

(01:13:33):
And so it was funny seeingpeople from high school come
into Sky City, they didn't comein a lot, but they'd come in the
same groups that they hung outwith in high school. Yeah, like
some of them had married up ormarried up parent like married,
you know, most of them most ofthem married laterally. Yeah.

(01:13:58):
And so yeah, I didn't reallystay in touch and I realized
that it's my 20th high schoolanniversary. Anniversary. 24 And
I'm like, What the fuck is myletter? Am I not?

Siobhan (01:14:13):
They don't find you might find me. My high school
has sent me the first piece ofmail every time I have moved.
And I have never given them myaddress. I

Matt (01:14:27):
I think I don't think because the people that actually
went to school that year have todo that. Like the student
council president people. Thatshits gone that is no longer
your responsibility. Who thefuck is going to do that these
days? I

Siobhan (01:14:42):
don't know. I think it was just the nuns I went to
school with have stalked me myentire life. Oh, God, like the
first time I moved out of BostonGod knows

Matt (01:14:51):
where your new addresses those bitches were not God. No,
no, God told them

Siobhan (01:14:56):
Satan The first time I moved out of Boston, I moved to
Arizona and I hadn't evenforwarded my mail. Like with a
post office, I was, and I got afundraising letter for my high
school

Matt (01:15:12):
have a tangential story.
They weren't getting mail Ididn't think I'd get. So my
California license expired. AndI had to get a new one. But I
need to change the address.
Okay. However, my dress is 1120and a half. And to do it online,

Siobhan (01:15:40):
that oh, that doesn't

Matt (01:15:43):
does not accept half address. It doesn't accept a
decimal point, or a backslash.
Or

Unknown (01:15:52):
I don't I mean,

Matt (01:15:53):
I think I'm I tried writing out the words, it didn't
work. So I would have had to geta physical copy and take it in.

Unknown (01:16:04):
I was like, fuck that.

Matt (01:16:06):
I'm just gonna get better.
It's the same. So I filled itout, texted my old room and
said, Hey, what's up? A coupledays, you might get something
from the DMV for me, can you letme know? Because it's my new
address or my new license. And Iexplained briefly that why I got
sent there. And I don't usuallycomes in three or four days, I

(01:16:26):
heard nothing. I was about totext and I went got the mail.
And there they were. They use mybilling address that I paid for
it with.

Siobhan (01:16:39):
I was gonna say it was your mail still forwarded from
when you moved know,

Unknown (01:16:43):
a year ago? Oh, wow.

Matt (01:16:44):
But they use my billing address instead of the address
on my actual driver's license.
And they sent me to

Siobhan (01:16:52):
Oh, that's amazing.
Wait, did they put your billingaddress on license? No, they
just No, it still says address,but they mailed it to the right
one. Yeah, I'm

Matt (01:17:01):
pretty sure to still.
Yeah,

Siobhan (01:17:03):
I'm still alright. So here's my question. Why didn't
you just not put in the half andask your landlord to give it to
you?

Matt (01:17:13):
Because that's annoying as shit. asking my landlord for my
mail every day.

Siobhan (01:17:17):
No, no, just for your license? Like, because I don't
know what

Matt (01:17:21):
what that? Were that information? I mean, that
information goes from the DMV tosomewhere. I think that's how
the junk mail people getaddresses. DMV sells it to them.

Siobhan (01:17:34):
Yeah, that's fucked up.
DMV, don't do that.

Matt (01:17:38):
I throw away 80 90% of the mail I get

Siobhan (01:17:43):
oh, yeah, I sometimes don't check my mailbox for
weeks. Because I wonder

Matt (01:17:47):
why. And one of my comments I'm gonna leave when I
leave this place is that youneed a better mailbox, then
small open top box on the sideunder a tree. Because the junk
mail keeps the lid up and itrains and I'm a male gets
soaking wet.

Siobhan (01:18:04):
Because it rains so much here in California. Oh,

Matt (01:18:06):
and it's also under a tree. So even when it's done
raining, who's picking outleaves? The rain just keeps
falling off the tree. Becauseit's windy. Anyways, that's my
rant for the Postal Service.

Siobhan (01:18:18):
Don't rant too much.
They'll come be postal on you.
Good. I can make that joke. Mygrandfather and three of my
uncles were posted. I

Matt (01:18:26):
was actually to the other day as early as getting to work
relatively early and the mailmanwas stopping on Grand do his
rounds. Like be like to be amailman and Alameda because
where I'm from everything spreadout you you're in your car,
you're where you go, stop, gostop, you know, mailboxes,
neighborhoods. But these youpark and then you you physically

(01:18:50):
walk up to every house andthat's, you know, you meet
people. Like that'd be kind of acool job. Either

Siobhan (01:18:55):
you would be good at that job just to do

Matt (01:18:58):
for not at or just a couple weeks. Two

Siobhan (01:19:04):
of my uncles are boasting Michael and they are
both mailman for most of mylives. And their stories. I love
their stories. Did

Matt (01:19:10):
they? Did they develop conclusions of people based on
the male they got? Yes. Okay.

Siobhan (01:19:17):
I would totally do the same thing. In some of them.
Like one of my

Unknown (01:19:22):
daughters broke.

Siobhan (01:19:26):
And like, both of them worked in very different
neighborhoods, which also ledthem to like a bunch more of
like, understandings of places.
Interesting. Yeah. And one of myuncle's he used to be for the he
used to be the mailman with theNew Kids on the Block, or at
least one of them. Now just oneof them. They all lived in
different neighborhoods. But heI mean, we knew that family like
six different ways because hewas from Jamaica. So Joe

(01:19:47):
McIntyre is from Jamaica Plain,which is part of Boston, like
they're all from Boston, butdifferent. I call them
neighborhoods. X areas I don'tlike What

Matt (01:20:00):
is the right term? It's I don't know Parrish, it's, I
think it's what do they callthem? Bert Berg's

Siobhan (01:20:06):
their boroughs in New York, but they're never referred
to like that in Boston neighbor.
I always have called themneighborhoods like, but a
different sections. It's allBoston. But you know, we all
have different names. So JamaicaPlain was where my parents are
from. And so my grandmother knewJoe McIntyre. Like we just Joe
McIntyre, Joe McIntyre. Yes. Ah,not until after. Well, wow,

(01:20:30):
that's a story for every

Matt (01:20:34):
letter. Celebrity. would you rate him? Would you say he
was a

Siobhan (01:20:39):
de lis when? Because in the 90s, he was an elitist. But
now I'd say she's read adolphin. Yeah. Like, I I was not
a new kids. I mean, I wasn't Nota fan. But I was more like,

Matt (01:20:53):
we did it. None of them really gained massive success,
did they? Well, Donnie

Siobhan (01:20:59):
Wahlberg was still on.
bloods he was on that? Yeah, asan actor, though. Yeah. And I
think Mark Wahlberg kind ofcapitalize off of Donnie
Wahlberg spam, and watch him.
See, I thought was the reverse?
No. So Donnie was famous firstand then mark, but then I
thought Mark became more famous.
Well, yeah, definitely. Yeah,like Mark is an alias Marky Mark

(01:21:21):
still. Yeah.

Matt (01:21:22):
And even an actor. Yeah.
Like he's,

Siobhan (01:21:24):
I mean, he's an amazing actor.

Matt (01:21:25):
I mean, I gotta say, what's that? What Ben? Does I
met him 2x Ray boys. I'm mean.
They're more known than what theFunky Bunch like whatever the
what? No, cc?

Siobhan (01:21:40):
Yeah. Like you mark in the funky part of a group that
wasn't Marky Mark and the Funky.
Oh, Johnny Wahlberg was in thenew kids. I

Matt (01:21:47):
know. But I thought Marky Mark was also in like, oh,

Siobhan (01:21:53):
he played with c&c Music Factory. I think it's,

Matt (01:21:56):
that might be what I'm thinking of.

Siobhan (01:22:00):
Calvin Klein ads.

Matt (01:22:01):
Oh, we're talking about the celebrities you've met?
Yeah. Oh, I've

Siobhan (01:22:04):
met a bunch. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, Boston's not

Matt (01:22:07):
a huge city. That should be a follow up episode.

Siobhan (01:22:11):
I'll tell you my Mark Wahlberg story.

Matt (01:22:13):
No, just wants to drink liquor. And then you can tell me
who you've met. And then I'lljust tell you, in my opinion.

Siobhan (01:22:22):
Do you even know? I worked at a well I work five

Matt (01:22:29):
minutes to Wikipedia them.
And I'll make a judgement ofthem if I don't know

Siobhan (01:22:34):
that because it most of them are probably people that
you wouldn't know. No, I mean,I've also met a lot of athletes,
okay. Because one of the so Iworked at a one of my first real
cocktailing Jobs was rightacross the street from Fenway
Park. Okay. And then I moveddown the street to the Back Bay,
or like right by the HynesConvention Center and the

(01:22:54):
Prudential Center in Boston. Andthat bar worked out for a lot of
years. And the same owner had Iworked for his high end
restaurant and one of his dies,but he owned two dive bars
around the corner from eachother in a higher end restaurant
and then for a short period whoowned a third kind of medium bar

(01:23:16):
down the street. So I worked forhim forever. And he was like an
old kind of Mafia guy. And so Imet everyone there because his
one of his bars was like, youcould get in with a note from
your mom. Like I started goingthere when I was 18. Their
doorman just didn't give a shit.

Unknown (01:23:37):
Your mom? Well, I

Siobhan (01:23:38):
mean, you just had to have an ID that slightly looked
like, oh, like one night when Iwent up to go when I known the
guys that work there because Iyou know, part of the company
but I had known them for a whilebecause I'd been going there
three nights a week becausewe're in college, you know. And
I walked up one day, there's adifferent doorman at the door.
And I hadn't even thought tolook at the idea I used and he

(01:23:58):
asked me what street I lived on.
And I was like, um, I move alot. He was just like, this is
about you, you know, let you in?
No, he didn't. He didn't let usin. So we walked down the street
to another bar, had a cup ofcocktails and then went back up.
And like as we walked back up,there's a huge line. And the
doorman that we knew were thereand we're like, Hey, what's up?

(01:24:20):
Where are you guys boom youlater than you normally are.
Like, we went to walk in and thekid was like, That girl doesn't
even know her name. And thedoorman was like, yeah. Do you
see her? Do you see her friends?
Do you know why you're not onthe door? And then I never saw
that kid again because heprobably got fired.

Matt (01:24:37):
I will let someone I made the decision with their prison
card and their birthcertificate. They just got out
of prison and they have no

Siobhan (01:24:47):
prison. I had a

Matt (01:24:47):
picture ID that had their name and their birth certificate
with a name that matched. I waslike Well shit, I guess I'll be
you can come in and drink

Siobhan (01:24:59):
what year Was that though that you let them in?

Matt (01:25:04):
Would you do it to 2000?
Probably, I think I think thatcounts.

Siobhan (01:25:09):
I think it would, too.

Matt (01:25:11):
I had to accept concealed carry permits. Oh, because it's
a photo ID and as your birthdayon it. That's, that's fucking
scary.

Siobhan (01:25:24):
And it's a state

Matt (01:25:24):
issued. So. And the funny thing was, the best part was
when cops would come in offduty, and they would come and
we're checking IDs, don't give ashit how old you are, like, just
it's it's a it's a machine. Justcome show your ID me Give me.
You show him your ID. You giveme money, and then he'll stamp
you. And then you go in. And hehe just he came to show me the

(01:25:46):
idea. It was his badge. And Iwas like, that's not an ID or
your ID right. 21. But I waslike, thank you not Yes. And
then that also wondered if thepeople that show me their
concealed carry permit? Like,are you trying to tell me that
you may have a gun on you? Yes.
I was never worried about that.

Siobhan (01:26:06):
When I first moved to Arizona, and I remember, it was
like the first how to be thefirst month I was there. Sitting
in a bar that like had been kindof our place. We'd been there a
bunch. When we before we movedthere. We went out to like,
visit and see. And we met thebartender and it's just like, I
love this lady. So we're sittingthere and I look over and I can
see this guy's bulge. And so Ilike casually get up and I walk

(01:26:30):
over the guy that has been thedoor we'd met a bunch of times.
And I'm like, hey, just so youknow, I'm pretty sure that guy
has a gun. And he looked at mehe's like, yeah, a lot of people
do. And we kind of just lookedat me and he knew I was like new
to Arizona. And I just looked at

Matt (01:26:44):
Arizona. Yeah, you should already had two three. But I
like

Unknown (01:26:49):
border. No.

Siobhan (01:26:51):
I did almost buy one at Walmart. When Kelly who I was
talking to earlier, when shecame up to visit me the first
time like we talked to him onthe phone one night and he's
like, pitch. You can go toWalmart here and get beer and
watermelon and tampons andunderwear and a gun and like
pull floaty and she was like,what? A kid. This is insane.

(01:27:14):
Like, I've never seen anythinglike that

Matt (01:27:16):
history is a field day with this era of people. Yeah.

Siobhan (01:27:24):
So when she came to me, the first time she came to visit
me she's like, going to Walmartor buying all of Did you we
bought most of it, but not allof it. You know? I have only
shot a gun once and until I knowsomething I don't want it in my
house. So I'm like I'm scared.
I'm gonna take a gun safetycourse at the end of the month,
or at the end of the summer. Ihave a bunch of guys that have

(01:27:47):
offered to bring me out.

Matt (01:27:49):
Horse you want to show off their guns? Yeah.

Siobhan (01:27:54):
They're all have significantly

Matt (01:27:57):
shot their guns. The real gun early. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Siobhan (01:28:01):
Some of the guys get so into it. And I'm like, I don't
understand what. But the firstgun I ever fired was an AR 15 in
someone's backyard, and upstateNew York

Matt (01:28:11):
has given a shot down when I was 1220. Age and well, you
lived in yourself job huntingtrip. Like just make sure it's
pointed up. And I did. I don'tthink I shot me Dubs. They
trusted me. I did take a gunsafety course. for that. Yeah.

Siobhan (01:28:27):
Because you were rural South right?

Unknown (01:28:30):
Oh, yeah. Pretty well, when

Siobhan (01:28:32):
you said it was a half hour to church I just my brain
it

Matt (01:28:35):
just because it's spread out. This because

Siobhan (01:28:37):
may rain you were like in a little country? Because

Matt (01:28:40):
the church was out in the country.

Siobhan (01:28:43):
That would make sense.
Yeah. But see, that's perceptionand assumptions. What has

Matt (01:28:51):
I gotta get to? Oh, you

Siobhan (01:28:52):
have open mic, right?

Matt (01:28:54):
I do. I gotta Well, I have to give some people some stuff.
And well, oh, he marked just

Unknown (01:29:01):
text. Okay. All

Siobhan (01:29:04):
right, y'all. Well, oh, no, that's all right. See, we're
just having such a good time. Weforgot We've been recording.

Matt (01:29:10):
Yeah, didn't end the pleasantries. Right. And
acknowledge that. acknowledgethat there is an other. Yeah,
not us. Yeah.

Siobhan (01:29:18):
I mean, part of this is like, I want it to sound like
you walked into a conversationat the bar and just happened to
enjoy it.

Matt (01:29:24):
Well, if that was the case, and you'd get many Irish
goodbyes for me. Yes, you do.
That. Oh, sorry. By the way, foranybody who can't see Matt's
gone next time.

Siobhan (01:29:36):
All right. Yeah. Yeah.
I turned around in MATLAB. Solook for the Webster street
tapes. You can find it on theIGs and everything. See, it's
not

Matt (01:29:45):
up yet. I did. I did. Take the I do
have the picture I'm going touse for the first logo.
Nice thing to do a little bit ofwork. Yeah.

Siobhan (01:29:54):
So there'll be music coming. There'll be content
coming. Eventually we'll get allour shit together. Meet Matt and
Ana again together the three ofus together at some point. So
thank you Matt, for joining usand hang out have fun.

Matt (01:30:08):
Tonight. I'm gonna annoy some people with my goose LA.

Siobhan (01:30:11):
I'm gonna go check out Open Mic and enjoy some more joy
in my day and I hope you allfind some joy and thanks for
joining us