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July 3, 2023 54 mins

Doctors are implicitly trained that death is a failure. So, how do we persist and not become depressed in the face of the reality of mortally? In this episode, host Dr. Dawn Gross talks with Hospitalist and creator of The Nocturnists, Dr. Emily Silverman, as they reflect on the science of storytelling and art of medicine. Tune in to hear about the ticking-clock of our healthcare system and how Dr. Silverman now sees carrying for people as they die as some of the most satisfying work in medicine.


UCSF Heart sounds is a production of Dying To Talk, sponsored by the UCSF Health and Wellbeing Grant. Each episode creates a space for doctors to reflect on the universal though rarely discussed experience in medical training, the first patient death. Learn more at dyingtotalk.com.

Music created and generously provided by Craig Minowa of Cloud Cult.

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