In this inspiring episode of the Early Accountability Podcast, host Kimi Walker welcomes Scott Madere, stewardship coach, author, and host of the Inspire Stewardship Podcast. With a powerful personal story of financial struggle and redemption, Scott shares how he and his wife overcame over $70,000 in debt and found renewed purpose and faith along the way. Drawing on his background in teaching, behavior change, and communication, Scott now helps Christian professionals master their time, talent, and treasures to live intentionally and serve with impact.
Kimi and Scott dive deep into practical strategies for aligning values with actions, improving communication through DISC personality insights, and building a lasting legacy through consistency and purposeful visibility. With over 1,700 podcast episodes under his belt, Scott offers profound reflections on faith, leadership, and the power of small, consistent steps over time. Whether you're seeking financial peace, stronger relationships, or clarity in your calling, this conversation will leave you feeling grounded, empowered, and ready to act.
Topics Covered in This Episode:
- How Scott and his wife overcame $70,000 in debt and transformed their lives
- The importance of mastering your time, talent, and treasures
- DISC personality framework for improving relationships and communication
- Using visibility and consistency to build credibility and legacy
- The connection between faith, intentional living, and personal growth
- How podcasting helped Scott expand his impact and network globally
About Scott Maderer
In 2011, Scott and his wife, Carrie, launched Inspired Stewardship as a business to serve Christian men and couples who are struggling to live out their calling. They work to help align the way you use your time, talent, and treasures so that you can identify and live a fully authentic life—one that allows you to authentically live your calling, serve others, and provide for your family. As certified Human Behavior Senior Consultants and members of the John Maxwell Team, they focus on helping you understand yourself, understand others, and, through that understanding, build the Kingdom. In 2017, they took the business full-time, offering assistance through one-on-one coaching, speaking, and workshops. His book, Inspired Living: Assemble the Puzzle of Your Calling by Mastering Your Time, Your Talent, and Your Treasures, was published by Morgan James on July 2, 2024.
Connect with Scott Maderer
- Website: https://inspiredstewardship.com/
- Email: csmaderer@gmail.com
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Kimi Walker here and welcomeback to the next episode of the
Early Accountability podcast.
Today's guest is Scott Maderer, astewardship coach, author, and host
of Inspire Stewardship Podcast.
He helps Christian professionalsand couples master their time.
Talent and treasures so they can liveauthentically and surf with intention.
With over a decade of coaching experienceand a background in behavior change
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and discommunication, Scott brings aunique blend of faith, leadership, and
practical tools to the conversation.
Let's dive in.
First off, Scott, thank you somuch for being here on the show.
We're so excited to have you as a gueston the Early Accountability podcast.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm glad to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, so why don't we start off byyou telling the audience a little
bit about yourself, your journey,how you and your wife got into the
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work that you all do now today.
Sure.
Absolutely.
So I actually was a school teacher.
I did that for 16 years.
I've done a bunch of other things,run my own businesses and things.
I've started my first business when Iwas 12, doing those sorts of things.
But I became a school teacher,did that for 16 years and in
the middle of that journey,
my wife and I went through a periodwhere we were having a lot of
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financial problems, had a lot of debt.
I looked up one day and realized Ihad more debt than I made in a year.
We had over $70,000 in debt.
I made about $40,000 a year at that time.
So it was overwhelming.
I was actually suicidal because of thefinances, and my wife and I weren't
talking, we weren't communicating.
We were probably headed towards divorce.
And at some point I happenedto hear something on the radio.
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It was the Dave Ramsey show turned mearound, had me thinking a different way.
I realized for the first night Iwasn't thinking about killing myself.
I was yelling at thestupid man on the radio.
Because he was talking aboutall this stuff that nobody
could do about like this.
So I was angry.
And arguing and then realized that,wait a minute, maybe we could do this.
And so my wife and I sat down anddecided to change the way we were
living, do things completely differently.
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In the midst of that,I had a major surgery.
I lost a job, changed jobs, starteda new career in a corporate world.
We managed in two years, 11months to pay off all of our debt.
And all of a sudden peoplestarted saying, Hey, you're.
Y'all are weird, and thencan you help us be weird?
And so we started helping peopledoing it as a ministry, friends
and family and folks at churchand different people like that.
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I had my own walk into and out ofthe church during all of that period.
A lot of different componentsin our life coming together.
And as that happened, as I was climbingmy way up, the corporate ladder.
I realized that I really wanted tocoach and help others figure out
what they were supposed to be doingand be able to do it and find their
calling, is how we would say that.
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And I realized that most often peoplethought that time and money was what
was keeping them from doing that.
So I began to study how tohelp people in those areas.
That's where the coaching business andthe stewardship business came from.
Now, I'll tell you the truth, the realtruth is I only help people with talent.
People think the problem is time ismoney, but I hate to tell you this.
The actual problem is you.
But the good news isyou're also the solution,
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Oh, okay.
you know it.
It is one of those things where the way wehandle our time and the way we handle our
money is really not about time and money.
It's about how we handle ourselves andthe decisions we make and the choices
we make and all of those things.
And so because of that, thatbecame the focus of the coaching.
Started it on the side, then reversedmy climb up the corporate ladder, took
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over a year to leave the company sothat I didn't leave them in a lurch.
Started my own business and now I'vebeen coaching full-time since 2017.
Started it part-time back in 2011.
Love what I'm doing andmy commute's a lot better.
It's all of about 30 seconds.
That, that's, it says I workfrom home and work virtually.
Awesome job.
This is good.
This is really good.
How big was faith in yourtransition into full-time coaching?
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For me, it was huge.
I had actually was raised in a Christianhousehold, was a believer, actually
thought about becoming, a pastor, appliedto seminary, those sorts of things.
And then because of some things thathappened in my personal life and with
the church and others, I turned awayand was gonna a lot of us do when
we go through college, had a crisisof faith and left the church left.
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Said, I didn't believe inGod and all of these things.
And as I was going through thosefinancial problems that I was talking
about earlier, I also began to realizethat there was something missing.
And it was part of, for me, it wasexpressed as part of my faith journey.
And I began to return to the churchand become part of that again, I'm
now very active in nonprofits andchurch boards and church committees
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and, these sorts of things, bothat, a local and national level and
it was part of that journey towardsturning my life around was also turning my
life back to, a relationship with God anda belief, for me that was going back home.
The interesting thing is nothingchanged in terms of the church or
the people or the stuff or the thing.
What changed was me and the way Ilooked at it, and realizing that,
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if there was a perfect church outthere, they wouldn't let me in anyway.
So I need to stop looking foreverything to be perfect and just
learn to have a relationship,with God, that I could lean on.
And so that became part of it.
And then for the coachingpart, what I always tell people
is, I'm a person of faith.
That's the framework I use, andhow I believe that doesn't mean you
have to believe the same things.
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But a lot of what I teach comes outof what I've learned through studying
faith in the Bible and my relationship.
So I've gotta give you advice likethat, but it doesn't mean you have to
go to church or you have to believea certain way or anything like that.
It just turns out it works anyway.
And so because of that, I've been blessedenough to work with people all over
the world of all different backgroundsand beliefs, and everything else.
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And still we find common ground andfind a way to communicate about it.
One of my clients who was a devout Muslim.
Told me at one point, at the end ofworking with him for about three years,
he looked at me one day and he said, I'mgonna pay you a compliment, but I'm not
sure you're gonna take it as a compliment.
I'm like, okay, what's that?
He says, you're Christian, butyou're not annoying about it.
I went, I'll take that as a compliment.
I'm good with that as a compliment and
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It's
said, so I, I tell people, I try to beChristian, but not annoying about it.
Okay.
That's a good I like that.
That's a good, because Whew.
Yeah, it could be
Yeah, there are people that makeit where you're like, really?
Okay.
I think in all denominations.
Yeah.
I think that exists.
And a lot of different things.
But yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
So Scott, you talk a lot, aboutmastering and I think this is really
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important framework 'cause likehere in the show we talk about early
accountability or getting aligned.
You talk a lot about masteringyour time, talent, and treasures.
Can you break down what each ofthose means in your framework?
Sure.
So as I alluded to earlier, you,the real concentration is talent.
So I'm gonna leave that for last,but what usually shows up first as
a symptom is our time and our money.
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So I'll give you an example for time.
A lot of times it plays out like this.
You look up and you findyourself saying, man, I
it's been really busy.
In fact, nowadays we almostuse that as a badge of honor.
Somebody says, how you doing?
And one of the, we usuallyanswer one of two ways.
We either say, I'm okay, whichis just a polite way of saying,
please stop talking to me.
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Or we say I'm busy.
Seems to be the two answers to thatquestion nowadays, because we're
looking at things from this pointof view of somehow busy is a good
thing, and the reality is busysimply means doing a lot of stuff.
Busy has nothing to do withhow important this stuff is.
Oh, absolutely.
And so we have that frustrationof, man, I've been busy all day.
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I'm running and gunning.
I'm, hustle, all of those things.
But nothing's happening.
I'm not moving forward.
I'm not growing.
I'm not being, I'm notfinding the joy in it.
I'm just doing, I'm not being,and so a lot of times when
that frustration shows up.
I can help with that.
And the third component, themoney component, the treasures
that shows up as, I've got toomuch month and not enough money.
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It's the, I've run outta moneybefore I get to the end of the month.
It's that, I make too muchmoney to feel this broke.
I know money's coming in andI know money's going out,
but I really have no idea of.
What's happening or where it's going.
I just know I never have enoughto really get to the things
that are important to me.
Instead, I feel like I'm doing all ofthese things just to make ends meet,
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and by the way, live in paycheck topaycheck is not about how much you make.
There's people that are, I've workedwith clients that make $37,000
a year, and I've worked with aclient that made $250,000 a month.
Okay.
Both of them had theirown sets of challenges.
They're different challenges, obviously.
Yes.
But they're challenges, and it's notthat they're the same, but they're
still this, we still have a lotof the same frustrations, a lot of
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the same feelings that underlie it.
And that's why it brings us to thethird component talent, because at the
end of the day, it's really not yourtime and your money, it's you, because
what those are really about, you talkedabout alignment and accountability.
That's what it's about.
It's about.
Stepping back and going, wait,what is really important to me?
What are my actual values?
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What am I trying to become?
What am I trying to be, and am Icreating the margin to do that?
It's the old thing of you can tell meall day long what's important to you,
but if you really want me to see what'simportant to you, let me see your
calendar and let me see your checkbook.
Or nowadays, let me see yourbake app and let me see Google
Calendar, but it's the same thing.
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Show me where you're spending yourtime and show me where you're spending
your money, and I'm gonna tell youwhat you're really valuing, not what
Ooh, yes.
And when you get that linedup where they actually match.
Then what it's no longer abouthow much you make or how much
you have or what you get.
You find the joy in the journey.
You find the joy in the being.
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You find the joy in the moments,and contentment is the word
that the Bible uses for it.
Whether, 'cause it's not about how muchyou have, it's about finding the gratitude
and the joy in what where you are at.
And recognizing that it'sa journey no matter what.
I tell everybody your life isa film strip, not a photograph.
That's
no matter where you are, guess whatlater is gonna be different, and
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whether you're at the top of themountain or you're at the deepest
darkest valley, all I can tell you is.
It's going to change.
I can't tell you where or how or when,but I can tell you it's going to change.
So in those moments ofhigh, we can't live there.
In those moments in the valley, we can'tlive there either because it's all part of
the journey, and once you start realizingthat and recognizing that, then you can
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lean into the joy and the contentmentat the moment and actually really align
your life with what's important to you.
I wanna I guess I wanna saypick your brain or challenge
you a little bit on this.
Or tell you, tell me your perspectiveon it in a challenging way, so if you
are, I don't like to use the word broke.
Like living paycheck to paycheck orbarely me living paycheck to paycheck
or robbing for Paul to pay Peter.
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So I'm not gonna pay thismonth, I'll pay this.
What are you looking for there?
To see what they value, because to methat looks like I'm valuing, thriving.
I guess when, I'm gonnahear your thoughts on that
it depends.
First off, there's no one size fitsall answer or solution or challenge.
Okay?
It's always nuanced because, that'sone of the mistakes I think we make
is a lot of things that are out thereare taught as a justice, just do
what I did and everything will work.
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And it's maybe not okay, because you'rea different person, you're in a different
situation and you value different things.
But let's talk about it froma framework point of view,
because frameworks are gonna workregardless of the details, right?
So it's really less about.
Where are you spending your moneyin terms of living paycheck to
paycheck, robbing Peter to pay Paul?
That's about survival.
Okay.
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But guess what?
At the end of the day, that's not whereyou wanna be the rest of your life.
I've never heard anyone in that modethat's yeah, I just kinda like it here.
I'll just hang out.
They wanna change how they're living,but that could be making different
decisions that may be about income.
It may be about finding a differentjob, finding a different career.
It may be about outgo.
Or usually it's about both.
It's not one or the other.
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It's both.
It's about finding ways to changewhat you are in terms of career and
income, and they might be starting abusiness, might be whatever, right?
Might be changing jobs, might be gettingmarried, and now you have two incomes.
In that case, whatever things will change.
And on the expense side, a lotof times what's happening is it's
less about can't pay and moreabout don't know what's going on.
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And I'll give you an example.
Most common one, I've hadtons of people tell me I only
spend $200 a month eating out.
I just randomly picked a number.
Right.
Okay, great.
Let's audit that.
Let's just, for the next month, let'strack what you spend on eating out.
Just every time you eat out, justjot it down on a sheet of paper.
You'll carry this notebookaround and jot it down.
Okay.
Or put it in your phone on the notes app.
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And they do that for a month and they'relike, I spent $600 on eating out.
Yeah.
It's like that's three times what Ithought I was spending because they
just weren't paying attention 'causeit's not really about the money, it's
about the attention and the intention.
What's your intention and whatare you paying attention to?
And once you start doingthat, we call that refocusing
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in the framework that I use.
'cause you refocus, gaincontrol and set a plan.
Refocus is the figuring outwhat's important to you.
Gain control is all of the tools and thetechniques and figuring out what to do.
And then set a plan is, okay,now this is what I'm gonna do.
And then guess what happens?
Things change and you gotta refocusagain, and you gotta gain control again.
And you gotta set a plan again,and then things change again.
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And you gotta, so it's, it neverreally ends, but it's about
that process and that growth.
And then what happens is a lot oftimes you end up, six months later,
10 months later, you're like, I'm nothaving to rob Peter to pay Paul anymore.
Right.
And it's not that things dramaticallychange, you just started having
intention and paying attention.
That's really good.
Okay, so let's talk aboutcommunication a little bit, 'cause
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I think that's important too.
So you've talked about how we haveto, be more intentional and it, you
brought up a lot about just awareness.
So what are these tools or things we canuse to create awareness about ourselves
or what we're doing or habits, et cetera.
So you, do DISC, can youtalk about DISC?,, You're
certified at DISC communication.
How can someone understandingtheir own personality and others,
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how can that help them improve,like their leadership qualities or
just their general relationships?
So DISC is a communicationand personality framework.
So there's a ton of them out there.
Myers-Briggs, Enneagramdisc, all of these.
And by the way, none ofthem are like good or bad.
I'll tell you why I like Disc is 'cause,I can carry it around in my head.
Real quickly, let me explain it andthen I'll actually ask you to play along
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and tell me what you think you are.
So basically this was.
developed by a gentleman named Marston.
He came up with this way oflooking at normal people.
That was actually one of the weirdthings as he was studying normal
people instead of abnormal psychology.
And he said, okay.
So some people are more outgoingand some people are more reserved.
Now be careful 'cause that'snot introvert and extrovert.
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That's actually something different.
Okay.
Outgoing here.
Think of that as your internal energy.
So an outgoing person is thatperson that gets up in the
morning and they're like go.
Run everything.
Boom, move, move.
They're constantly talking.
They're constantly moving.
They move their hands when they talk.
They've got a lot of energy.
That's an outgoing person.
Okay?
Reserved, on the otherhand, are a little calmer.
They're a little quieter,they talk a little slower.
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They move a little slower.
They take longer to make decisions.
That's a reserved person.
Okay, so play along for you.
Would you consider yourselfmore outgoing or more reserved?
Most of the time.
More outgoing.
Okay, so you're at the top of that.
Think of this as a, we'regonna make a quadrant.
You're at the top.
Okay.
Now, the left right side, on one handhe said some people are more task
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oriented and some people are more.
People oriented.
And again, none of theseare a value judgment.
So don't think of these as good or bad.
They're just different.
We're wired different.
We're built different.
So a task oriented person, thisis a person that when you tell
them to do something, they thinkabout what needs to get done.
This is the person, they liketo make lists, they like to
check things off the list.
They like to get results.
They want things to happen.
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Okay.
And that's what.
You know when they get jazzed,it's 'cause stuff happened
Where a people oriented person,they're more interested in the who.
when you give them a task todo, they're thinking about.
Who do I need to involve?
How is this gonna affect thepeople you know who's on the team?
Oh, today I get to talk to thisperson or engage with that person
and that's what gives me energyand that's what jazzes me up.
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Or how can I take care of this personand make sure this person, so some people
are more task and some put more people.
For you, would you putyourself in task or people?
Definitely people.
Okay.
So your primary then would be outgoing.
People.
So it's this upper right hand quadrant.
If you think of fourquadrants that we've divided.
So I'm gonna go around theclock, I'll get to your second.
So the upper left, which isoutgoing task, those are Ds.
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These are high drivers.
These are results oriented people.
These are the people that arelead, follow, or get outta my way
'cause I'm gonna run you over.
Okay?
About 10% of thepopulation is these people.
They are go all about results.
I, which is what you identified.
Second quadrant.
That's inspirational.
The eyes are, they're very fun people.
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They love, they're the ones that ifthey're in an event and somebody says,
Hey, we need somebody on the state.
They're already on the stage.
The person hasn't even finished thesentence, and they're like, I'm up here.
I'm ready to go.
I'm, cheerleader.
I'm out here.
I'm engaged and active.
They love fun.
Their energy is fun.
By the way, that again,doesn't make them bad people.
It doesn't make them good people.
That's just what drives them.
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And then the third quadrant,so that's reserved.
And people, that's a supporter.
These are the nicest people on the planet.
They're calm, they're collected, they'reall about fairness, the status quo.
They don't like conflict.
They're quiet.
That's that person.
And then the last quadrant, which istask oriented and reserved is a C.
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Okay, that's cautious.
They're gonna be the peoplethat are about getting it right.
They're perfectionists.
They tend to, they want everythingto have an order and a step.
They wanna understand whybefore they do things.
Okay, so there's DI, S, and C.Now, you put yourself in the eye.
If you had to pick one of the otherthree based on what I just said, where
do you think your second place would be?
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Let's see.
Are you more task or are you more reservedwhen you're when you give a second option?
Okay.
So you probably would go down, soyou're probably an S and an I blend.
Okay.
Which means you're about fun andyou're about taking care of people.
Does that, fairness,rightness, that kind of thing.
I like, yes, I'm big on justice.
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I'm not.
I do sometimes need checklistsfor things, but I don't have to.
And I do wanna know whyI have to do things.
I do a reasoning but I don't necessarilyhave to always have a checklist.
But sometimes, I do one, but I'mnot about to just, oh, every time
everything's about to have a spreadsheettype people, I'm not that type.
And that, and you're actuallypointing out a really good
thing because this is the truth.
Most of us are not one of these.
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Sometimes we're a blend ofat least two, often three.
Okay.
And there's another component.
Sometimes it's about how we do when we'rearound other people, and then there's also
how we do, if we're just left to our owndevices and get to do whatever we want.
Okay, so there's what we callthe basic and the environment.
What do you do when you'reput in an environment?
What do you do whenyou're left by yourself?
So there's actually more complexity tothis that I can get into, but we're just
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doing a kind of a surface level pass.
Okay.
So now let's back up.
Why is all of this important?
Imagine for a minute that you.
Who is both of your componentsthat are people oriented are high.
Okay?
So you really talk to,think about the people.
And your boss, let's say,happens to be a DC They're on
the other side of the grid, okay?
So they're all about the task andthe results and the checklist and the
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why and the steps and all of that.
And they come over to you and they say HeyKimi, I need you to get this done here.
Here's the process let meknow if you have any problems.
And off they go.
You're not feeling taken care of.
You're hearing that as, man,they just dumped this on my desk.
That's gonna sound like a lot of fun,this is kinda like work now, but on
the other hand, if they deliver thatsame task and they came over and they
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said, Kimi, we've got this new processthat we're trying to put in place.
I know that you're really good atthinking through the process and making
sure that folks are taken care ofand that, we haven't missed anything.
Nothing's gonna fall throughthe cracks so that everyone
can complete it and do it well.
Would you mind going through this acouple of times and just making sure
and making notes, and if there'sanything that we've missed or that
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you feel is maybe going the wrong way.
Would you come back and talk to me aboutit and that way we can adjust the process
and make sure everyone's taken care of.
Oh yeah.
You're like, Ooh, yeah, I like that.
You got a big smile on your face.
It could be the exact same job.
All I did was present itto you in your language.
And if I'm over here and I'm speakingGerman because I'm all task oriented
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person, and you're over there andyou're speaking French because
you're a people oriented person.
I can yell at you all day long in German.
It doesn't help, so it's aboutunderstanding first, how am I wired?
So what is my naturalcommunication gonna be?
And then also around how are thepeople around me wired so that I can
adapt my communication to meet themwhere they need to be heard, right?
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Because we gotta take careof and care about people.
And by the way, I am atask oriented person.
I am that DC that I was justtalking about, those are
my two highest components.
right.
But when I was a leader of teamsand I figured out who my S's were,
I literally had an event on mycalendar that would pop up once a
week that said, go visit this person.
I had three people that I went andvisited on Wednesday afternoon, and
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then the next three people, and thenext three people until I'd worked
through all of my people and thenthey came back up on the list again.
They knew it was an event on my calendar.
Okay.
They knew that this was their Wednesday,and they would sit there in their queue
waiting for me to come by, 'cause it waslike, and, I made a, I literally took
notes in a notebook and so I would walkup and I'd be like, Hey Kimi, Hey, you.
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Tell me your kids had abasketball game last week.
How'd it go?
Oh good.
Yeah.
they win?
I, all of that.
You knew I was writing it down.
It didn't matter because it's oh,he cares enough to care about me.
And they loved it, by the way, I didn'thave to do that with my eyes 'cause
the eyes, they come to my office.
they came to me, I didn'thave to go seek them out.
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Got it.
Okay.
they'd knock on the doorgoing, Hey, guess what?
Let me tell you about thesoccer game last night.
And so you can learn what your people areand what they need and how to communicate
that works with your client, that workswith your customers, that works with
yourself, that works with your spouse.
And that's just realquick, down and dirty.
There's you could spend hours andhours on this, but that's, gives you
a quick overview of how it applied.
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Oh wow.
Okay.
That's good.
That's.
Really, it's a lot to, it's alot to think of, I guess even
in a love language type of
Perspective of this person may havebeen showing you or really demonstrating
what they feel is loving, but thatmight not give you buzzy type of a
They're gonna work in theway that's natural to them.
Right.
That's not, and again, it's not a valuestatement, that's not a good or bad.
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You need all of these.
You need people fromall of these components.
I jokingly say the reason thatthere's only 10% of the population
that is a D is 'cause if theywere all Ds, we'd kill each other.
Nobody would get anything done.
We'd be, it'd be, it'd be like hungerGames out there, it would not work.
By the way, the mostcommon type is the S's.
Oh, really?
Okay?
By far.
It's about 10% Ds, about 20 to 25%I, and about 20 to 25% C. Everyone
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else is an S, so it is by far themost common kind of person on the
planet from a wiring perspective.
Oh wow, that's crazy.
Wow.
So I do wanna ask, okay, so we do alsotalk on this show about being visible,
whether it's like visibility, if I'mtrying to change something, I'm trying to
do something, just how visibility helpsus with accountability and accountability
partners or groups or what have you.
But you talk a lot about purposeand impact, which is huge,
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which goes into legacy, right?
You have hosted over 700 podcast
Over 1700.
Yeah.
Actually episodes yeah.
Oh my God.
Over 500 interviews and overa thousand solo episodes.
I started it in 2018.
At one point I was podcasting six days aweek, so I did that for, almost two years.
Spell podcast.
That is so if you're a podcaster,you would know how much work that is.
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That just, I'm like, amazed.
Six days a week.
At one time I was podcasting for abouta year and a half, almost two years.
I was podcasting six days a week.
Were you live or,
I did a interview on a Monday, andthen I did an interview on a Saturday,
and then I did everything else was asolo episode and I took Sundays off.
And I didn't do them as live, I did themprerecorded, edited, and then released.
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So you, you were record on Tuesday youbatched up and it released on Wednesday.
I did a batch.
So
Okay, you
I literally blocked off a day, and soon Monday I would do two interviews.
And record.
they would several weeks out,and then I would do set of solo
episodes the rest of that day.
So at that time, I would batch offbasically an entire day just to do
nothing but a week worth of podcastepisodes and then keep going like that.
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That's good.
You're going into all thisaccountability that I like and
this is what I try to tell people.
There's a lot, there's a lotof lessons in this, so it's
a lot about being consistent,
Consistently showing up online,being visible., And just you
are leaving a humongous foot.
Your legacy is everywhere.
I think just talk to us about that.
'cause it can be applied to otherthings outside of podcast too.
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How has doing that, being here and havingthis consistent presence visibly span
standing in your truth, and like yousaid, your purpose and your power, how
has that shaped your business, you feel?
And how has that helped you with feelingas, as far as like leading your legacy?
So all sorts of things.
I have a book you mentioned earlier,I'm an author Inspired Living that
came outta the podcast and when Isay that came out the podcast, what
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I mean is the content in that book.
How did I come up with the content?
It was through talking and processingand thinking through on the podcast
and trying things out and, talkingabout them with a guest or talking
about them on a solo episode.
All of that consistencythat you're talking about.
It's not just consistency of doing itwas consistency of learning and thinking
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through and processing and gettingdeeper, and then I'd go work with a
client and something would happen orI'd learn something with that client.
I'd bring it back to the podcastand I'd think about it, and I
literally talk about it out loud.
See, I don't write.
But I talk, that's how I process.
I'm an auditory person.
I like to think about it out loud.
And so I talk the book, what'smore, the person that helped me,
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that was a writing coach for me,I met them through the podcast.
The person who did the Forward, Imet them through the podcast, the
publisher that published the book.
I met them through the podcast.
The people that I quoted in the book.
I met all of them through the podcast.
All of these connections that I hadand these networks that I had came
about through, I was interviewingpeople on my show or I was going on
other people's shows to be interviewed.
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That was that connectionthat you're talking about.
I built the network.
Then when it was time to harvest thatnetwork and turned it into a book,
I had I literally could reach out toDan Miller and go, Hey, I'd love for
you to do the forward in my book.
Would you be willing to Absolutely.
Because he knew me, he'd interacted withme, I'd had him on my show multiple times.
I'd gone on his, therewas those connections.
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And so what I talk about and thisis you're talking about visibility.
I actually talk about a formula calledVCP, visibility plus credibility.
Over time equals profitability.
Guess here's what happens.
Visibility is just showing up.
Visibility is being out there.
Credibility is showing up in a waywhere people go, that's interesting.
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I'd like to learn more.
You seem to know something.
Being an author is a credibilitytool, 'cause guess what?
People look at that and go,Hey, he must know something.
He wrote a book.
It doesn't actually, now I hope I'vewritten a good book, but, it, that
actually isn't what's important.
It's the credibility tool.
Being on your podcast is credibility,because if I come on your show,
I'm somewhat of an expert.
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Having someone on my show is acredibility tool for me as well as for
them 'cause when you have a guest, it'sooh, that some of that rubs off on you.
So you do visibility plus credibilityand you do that consistently over time.
And that leads to profitability.
'cause you're, I've had over athousand clients in 20 countries.
How do people in other countries find me?
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Because podcasts.
Go across international borders.
Turns out that there's people inGermany listening to my podcast,
there's people in Germany buying a book.
Those things.
Nowadays, especially, they cross thoselines and they go out in a way that you
don't even think about and you don't evenrealize, and they're long tail, guess
what for good or ill the stuff that'son the internet lives for a long time.
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Absolutely.
Ooh.
Absolutely.
And if it's bad stuff,it lives for a long time.
If it's good stuff, itlives for a long time.
So when you curate that and yourealize that's showing up, like you're
talking about consistently over time,little by little, dripping it out.
And then here's the really cool thing.
You can make massive impacts, but it'snot about hitting the ball outta the park.
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It's about little bitty constant tinythings, 15 minutes a day, 20 minutes a
day, one day a week, five minutes a day.
Those little things add up.
And so it's not about doingeverything perfect every day.
It's not about hitting it out of thepark with a one, winning the lottery.
And that's gonna change my life.
It's about those small, consistentefforts and how they add up
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over a long period of time.
That's what really makes animpact and leaves the legacy.
That's it's just so much.
This is very one, veryaspiring for me too.
Even as a podcaster where keep going.
Do more intentionally, I would say andI talk a lot too, or have started to
do a lot of things with my agency, likethe early Accountability agency with
helping other people really see the powerof podcasting and how it can lever for
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not only just content, but connections,collaborations, and same thing.
I interview a lot of people, not as many.
I'm not there yet, but I've met a lotof people and found a lot of people
who helped me in different things.
Through my podcast, and it'sdefinitely a way to, another way to
align yourself around people who,may have a different angle with you
have, who have similar goals, but maybring it, like you said, a different
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perspective or different insight.
And you met all of those people throughpodcasting, and so that's great.
And again, like you said, itdoesn't have to be a podcast.
You can do this other ways, butthe concept is still the same.
It's about finding that thingthat for you, I jokingly tell
people why did I start a podcast?
'cause I hate to write.
And I love to talk,podcasts made sense for me.
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For somebody else, it might be, ablog, it might be a video thing,
it might be speaking, it mightbe, there's a million things.
It might even just be showingup at work consistently.
Little by little over time, itdoesn't have to be everything or
your whole thing to have value.
It just needs to have thatconsistent small steps.
That's good.
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So Scott, this is really good.
I hope you come back to the show.
I feel like we more wecould deep dive into.
It was really good.
I'd be happy to anytime.
thank you.
Why don't you tell the audience, so you'reall over the internet, but tell us, where
the audience should go if they wanna,be able to more, have more focus and
learn more about you and your offerings.
Absolutely.
So what I always do, is I put a landingpage together for every podcast that
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I've gone on, and so I've done that.
For your listeners, if you go over to mywebsite, which is inspiredstewardship.com,
and then just forward slash.
Early accountability, all oneword, no spaces, all lowercase.
What you'll find there is I puttogether some free resources, some
free downloads that you can have.
There's information about mypodcast there, my book, all
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of that stuff on one place.
That way it's really easyfor everyone to find it.
It's also, a link over thereif you want to jump on a call.
This isn't about selling you anything,it's really just if something I
struck you, you've got a question or
want more clarification?
You'd always schedule time and I'dlove to have a chat with anybody.
And again, you can find all ofthat over@inspiredstewardship.com
slash early accountability.
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So Scott, so what are somewords that you live by?
Do you have a daily mantra that youuse to guide yourself in your life?
So I, I've got two things, but, the kindof daily living it is actually on, a, it's
right behind my head, so you can't see it.
There's, a sign back there thathas it is from Micah six eight,
in the Bible, which is, there'sdifferent translations, but it's.
" He has shown you immortal.
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What is good and what does the Lordrequire of you to act justly and to love
mercy, and to walk humbly with your God."
And that's for me is whatI try to do every day.
I think it's about love, it'sabout justice, it's about mercy.
It's about grace.
I try the best I can tolive that out every day.
Don't always succeed, butthat's what I try to do.
And to do that, one of the things for me,is I have what I call a breath pair, which
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is every time I breathe, especially whenI'm upset or frustrated or whatever, I try
to breathe, your will, not mine, becauseat the end of the day, I have to remember.
I'm not here to do what I want to do.
I'm here to do what God's put me hereto do, and that reminder sometimes keeps
me a little humble and keeps me fromfalling into pride and all of those
Yeah, I understand it.
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Scott, thank you so much for,being a guest on the show.
You have really given us a lot.
There's so many gems in here,how we can apply to so many
different dimensions in life.
So I just wanted to thank youagain for being a guest on the
podcast and to the audience.
Until next time.
Kimi Walker here and welcomeback to the next episode of the
Early Accountability podcast.
Today's guest is Scott Maderer, astewardship coach, author, and host
of Inspire Stewardship Podcast.
He helps Christian professionalsand couples master their time.
Talent and treasures so they can liveauthentically and surf with intention.
With over a decade of coaching experienceand a background in behavior change
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and discommunication, Scott brings aunique blend of faith, leadership, and
practical tools to the conversation.
Let's dive in.
First off, Scott, thank you somuch for being here on the show.
We're so excited to have you as a gueston the Early Accountability podcast.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm glad to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, so why don't we start off byyou telling the audience a little
bit about yourself, your journey,how you and your wife got into the
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work that you all do now today.
Sure.
Absolutely.
So I actually was a school teacher.
I did that for 16 years.
I've done a bunch of other things,run my own businesses and things.
I've started my first business when Iwas 12, doing those sorts of things.
But I became a school teacher,did that for 16 years and in
the middle of that journey,
my wife and I went through a periodwhere we were having a lot of
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financial problems, had a lot of debt.
I looked up one day and realized Ihad more debt than I made in a year.
We had over $70,000 in debt.
I made about $40,000 a year at that time.
So it was overwhelming.
I was actually suicidal because of thefinances, and my wife and I weren't
talking, we weren't communicating.
We were probably headed towards divorce.
And at some point I happenedto hear something on the radio.
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It was the Dave Ramsey show turned mearound, had me thinking a different way.
I realized for the first night Iwasn't thinking about killing myself.
I was yelling at thestupid man on the radio.
Because he was talking aboutall this stuff that nobody
could do about like this.
So I was angry.
And arguing and then realized that,wait a minute, maybe we could do this.
And so my wife and I sat down anddecided to change the way we were
living, do things completely differently.
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In the midst of that,I had a major surgery.
I lost a job, changed jobs, starteda new career in a corporate world.
We managed in two years, 11months to pay off all of our debt.
And all of a sudden peoplestarted saying, Hey, you're.
Y'all are weird, and thencan you help us be weird?
And so we started helping peopledoing it as a ministry, friends
and family and folks at churchand different people like that.
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I had my own walk into and out ofthe church during all of that period.
A lot of different componentsin our life coming together.
And as that happened, as I was climbingmy way up, the corporate ladder.
I realized that I really wanted tocoach and help others figure out
what they were supposed to be doingand be able to do it and find their
calling, is how we would say that.
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And I realized that most often peoplethought that time and money was what
was keeping them from doing that.
So I began to study how tohelp people in those areas.
That's where the coaching business andthe stewardship business came from.
Now, I'll tell you the truth, the realtruth is I only help people with talent.
People think the problem is time ismoney, but I hate to tell you this.
The actual problem is you.
But the good news isyou're also the solution,
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Oh, okay.
you know it.
It is one of those things where the way wehandle our time and the way we handle our
money is really not about time and money.
It's about how we handle ourselves andthe decisions we make and the choices
we make and all of those things.
And so because of that, thatbecame the focus of the coaching.
Started it on the side, then reversedmy climb up the corporate ladder, took
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over a year to leave the company sothat I didn't leave them in a lurch.
Started my own business and now I'vebeen coaching full-time since 2017.
Started it part-time back in 2011.
Love what I'm doing andmy commute's a lot better.
It's all of about 30 seconds.
That, that's, it says I workfrom home and work virtually.
Awesome job.
This is good.
This is really good.
How big was faith in yourtransition into full-time coaching?
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For me, it was huge.
I had actually was raised in a Christianhousehold, was a believer, actually
thought about becoming, a pastor, appliedto seminary, those sorts of things.
And then because of some things thathappened in my personal life and with
the church and others, I turned awayand was gonna a lot of us do when
we go through college, had a crisisof faith and left the church left.
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Said, I didn't believe inGod and all of these things.
And as I was going through thosefinancial problems that I was talking
about earlier, I also began to realizethat there was something missing.
And it was part of, for me, it wasexpressed as part of my faith journey.
And I began to return to the churchand become part of that again, I'm
now very active in nonprofits andchurch boards and church committees
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and, these sorts of things, bothat, a local and national level and
it was part of that journey towardsturning my life around was also turning my
life back to, a relationship with God anda belief, for me that was going back home.
The interesting thing is nothingchanged in terms of the church or
the people or the stuff or the thing.
What changed was me and the way Ilooked at it, and realizing that,
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if there was a perfect church outthere, they wouldn't let me in anyway.
So I need to stop looking foreverything to be perfect and just
learn to have a relationship,with God, that I could lean on.
And so that became part of it.
And then for the coachingpart, what I always tell people
is, I'm a person of faith.
That's the framework I use, andhow I believe that doesn't mean you
have to believe the same things.
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But a lot of what I teach comes outof what I've learned through studying
faith in the Bible and my relationship.
So I've gotta give you advice likethat, but it doesn't mean you have to
go to church or you have to believea certain way or anything like that.
It just turns out it works anyway.
And so because of that, I've been blessedenough to work with people all over
the world of all different backgroundsand beliefs, and everything else.
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And still we find common ground andfind a way to communicate about it.
One of my clients who was a devout Muslim.
Told me at one point, at the end ofworking with him for about three years,
he looked at me one day and he said, I'mgonna pay you a compliment, but I'm not
sure you're gonna take it as a compliment.
I'm like, okay, what's that?
He says, you're Christian, butyou're not annoying about it.
I went, I'll take that as a compliment.
I'm good with that as a compliment and
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It's
said, so I, I tell people, I try to beChristian, but not annoying about it.
Okay.
That's a good I like that.
That's a good, because Whew.
Yeah, it could be
Yeah, there are people that makeit where you're like, really?
Okay.
I think in all denominations.
Yeah.
I think that exists.
And a lot of different things.
But yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
So Scott, you talk a lot, aboutmastering and I think this is really
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important framework 'cause likehere in the show we talk about early
accountability or getting aligned.
You talk a lot about masteringyour time, talent, and treasures.
Can you break down what each ofthose means in your framework?
Sure.
So as I alluded to earlier, you,the real concentration is talent.
So I'm gonna leave that for last,but what usually shows up first as
a symptom is our time and our money.
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So I'll give you an example for time.
A lot of times it plays out like this.
You look up and you findyourself saying, man, I
it's been really busy.
In fact, nowadays we almostuse that as a badge of honor.
Somebody says, how you doing?
And one of the, we usuallyanswer one of two ways.
We either say, I'm okay, whichis just a polite way of saying,
please stop talking to me.
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Or we say I'm busy.
Seems to be the two answers to thatquestion nowadays, because we're
looking at things from this pointof view of somehow busy is a good
thing, and the reality is busysimply means doing a lot of stuff.
Busy has nothing to do withhow important this stuff is.
Oh, absolutely.
And so we have that frustrationof, man, I've been busy all day.
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I'm running and gunning.
I'm, hustle, all of those things.
But nothing's happening.
I'm not moving forward.
I'm not growing.
I'm not being, I'm notfinding the joy in it.
I'm just doing, I'm not being,and so a lot of times when
that frustration shows up.
I can help with that.
And the third component, themoney component, the treasures
that shows up as, I've got toomuch month and not enough money.
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It's the, I've run outta moneybefore I get to the end of the month.
It's that, I make too muchmoney to feel this broke.
I know money's coming in andI know money's going out,
but I really have no idea of.
What's happening or where it's going.
I just know I never have enoughto really get to the things
that are important to me.
Instead, I feel like I'm doing all ofthese things just to make ends meet,
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and by the way, live in paycheck topaycheck is not about how much you make.
There's people that are, I've workedwith clients that make $37,000
a year, and I've worked with aclient that made $250,000 a month.
Okay.
Both of them had theirown sets of challenges.
They're different challenges, obviously.
Yes.
But they're challenges, and it's notthat they're the same, but they're
still this, we still have a lotof the same frustrations, a lot of
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the same feelings that underlie it.
And that's why it brings us to thethird component talent, because at the
end of the day, it's really not yourtime and your money, it's you, because
what those are really about, you talkedabout alignment and accountability.
That's what it's about.
It's about.
Stepping back and going, wait,what is really important to me?
What are my actual values?
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What am I trying to become?
What am I trying to be, and am Icreating the margin to do that?
It's the old thing of you can tell meall day long what's important to you,
but if you really want me to see what'simportant to you, let me see your
calendar and let me see your checkbook.
Or nowadays, let me see yourbake app and let me see Google
Calendar, but it's the same thing.
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Show me where you're spending yourtime and show me where you're spending
your money, and I'm gonna tell youwhat you're really valuing, not what
Ooh, yes.
And when you get that linedup where they actually match.
Then what it's no longer abouthow much you make or how much
you have or what you get.
You find the joy in the journey.
You find the joy in the being.
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You find the joy in the moments,and contentment is the word
that the Bible uses for it.
Whether, 'cause it's not about how muchyou have, it's about finding the gratitude
and the joy in what where you are at.
And recognizing that it'sa journey no matter what.
I tell everybody your life isa film strip, not a photograph.
That's
no matter where you are, guess whatlater is gonna be different, and
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whether you're at the top of themountain or you're at the deepest
darkest valley, all I can tell you is.
It's going to change.
I can't tell you where or how or when,but I can tell you it's going to change.
So in those moments ofhigh, we can't live there.
In those moments in the valley, we can'tlive there either because it's all part of
the journey, and once you start realizingthat and recognizing that, then you can
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lean into the joy and the contentmentat the moment and actually really align
your life with what's important to you.
I wanna I guess I wanna saypick your brain or challenge
you a little bit on this.
Or tell you, tell me your perspectiveon it in a challenging way, so if you
are, I don't like to use the word broke.
Like living paycheck to paycheck orbarely me living paycheck to paycheck
or robbing for Paul to pay Peter.
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So I'm not gonna pay thismonth, I'll pay this.
What are you looking for there?
To see what they value, because to methat looks like I'm valuing, thriving.
I guess when, I'm gonnahear your thoughts on that
it depends.
First off, there's no one size fitsall answer or solution or challenge.
Okay?
It's always nuanced because, that'sone of the mistakes I think we make
is a lot of things that are out thereare taught as a justice, just do
what I did and everything will work.
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And it's maybe not okay, because you'rea different person, you're in a different
situation and you value different things.
But let's talk about it froma framework point of view,
because frameworks are gonna workregardless of the details, right?
So it's really less about.
Where are you spending your moneyin terms of living paycheck to
paycheck, robbing Peter to pay Paul?
That's about survival.
Okay.
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But guess what?
At the end of the day, that's not whereyou wanna be the rest of your life.
I've never heard anyone in that modethat's yeah, I just kinda like it here.
I'll just hang out.
They wanna change how they're living,but that could be making different
decisions that may be about income.
It may be about finding a differentjob, finding a different career.
It may be about outgo.
Or usually it's about both.
It's not one or the other.
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It's both.
It's about finding ways to changewhat you are in terms of career and
income, and they might be starting abusiness, might be whatever, right?
Might be changing jobs, might be gettingmarried, and now you have two incomes.
In that case, whatever things will change.
And on the expense side, a lotof times what's happening is it's
less about can't pay and moreabout don't know what's going on.
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And I'll give you an example.
Most common one, I've hadtons of people tell me I only
spend $200 a month eating out.
I just randomly picked a number.
Right.
Okay, great.
Let's audit that.
Let's just, for the next month, let'strack what you spend on eating out.
Just every time you eat out, justjot it down on a sheet of paper.
You'll carry this notebookaround and jot it down.
Okay.
Or put it in your phone on the notes app.
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And they do that for a month and they'relike, I spent $600 on eating out.
Yeah.
It's like that's three times what Ithought I was spending because they
just weren't paying attention 'causeit's not really about the money, it's
about the attention and the intention.
What's your intention and whatare you paying attention to?
And once you start doingthat, we call that refocusing
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in the framework that I use.
'cause you refocus, gaincontrol and set a plan.
Refocus is the figuring outwhat's important to you.
Gain control is all of the tools and thetechniques and figuring out what to do.
And then set a plan is, okay,now this is what I'm gonna do.
And then guess what happens?
Things change and you gotta refocusagain, and you gotta gain control again.
And you gotta set a plan again,and then things change again.
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And you gotta, so it's, it neverreally ends, but it's about
that process and that growth.
And then what happens is a lot oftimes you end up, six months later,
10 months later, you're like, I'm nothaving to rob Peter to pay Paul anymore.
Right.
And it's not that things dramaticallychange, you just started having
intention and paying attention.
That's really good.
Okay, so let's talk aboutcommunication a little bit, 'cause
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I think that's important too.
So you've talked about how we haveto, be more intentional and it, you
brought up a lot about just awareness.
So what are these tools or things we canuse to create awareness about ourselves
or what we're doing or habits, et cetera.
So you, do DISC, can youtalk about DISC?,, You're
certified at DISC communication.
How can someone understandingtheir own personality and others,
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how can that help them improve,like their leadership qualities or
just their general relationships?
So DISC is a communicationand personality framework.
So there's a ton of them out there.
Myers-Briggs, Enneagramdisc, all of these.
And by the way, none ofthem are like good or bad.
I'll tell you why I like Disc is 'cause,I can carry it around in my head.
Real quickly, let me explain it andthen I'll actually ask you to play along
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and tell me what you think you are.
So basically this was.
developed by a gentleman named Marston.
He came up with this way oflooking at normal people.
That was actually one of the weirdthings as he was studying normal
people instead of abnormal psychology.
And he said, okay.
So some people are more outgoingand some people are more reserved.
Now be careful 'cause that'snot introvert and extrovert.
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That's actually something different.
Okay.
Outgoing here.
Think of that as your internal energy.
So an outgoing person is thatperson that gets up in the
morning and they're like go.
Run everything.
Boom, move, move.
They're constantly talking.
They're constantly moving.
They move their hands when they talk.
They've got a lot of energy.
That's an outgoing person.
Okay?
Reserved, on the otherhand, are a little calmer.
They're a little quieter,they talk a little slower.
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They move a little slower.
They take longer to make decisions.
That's a reserved person.
Okay, so play along for you.
Would you consider yourselfmore outgoing or more reserved?
Most of the time.
More outgoing.
Okay, so you're at the top of that.
Think of this as a, we'regonna make a quadrant.
You're at the top.
Okay.
Now, the left right side, on one handhe said some people are more task
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oriented and some people are more.
People oriented.
And again, none of theseare a value judgment.
So don't think of these as good or bad.
They're just different.
We're wired different.
We're built different.
So a task oriented person, thisis a person that when you tell
them to do something, they thinkabout what needs to get done.
This is the person, they liketo make lists, they like to
check things off the list.
They like to get results.
They want things to happen.
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Okay.
And that's what.
You know when they get jazzed,it's 'cause stuff happened
Where a people oriented person,they're more interested in the who.
when you give them a task todo, they're thinking about.
Who do I need to involve?
How is this gonna affect thepeople you know who's on the team?
Oh, today I get to talk to thisperson or engage with that person
and that's what gives me energyand that's what jazzes me up.
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Or how can I take care of this personand make sure this person, so some people
are more task and some put more people.
For you, would you putyourself in task or people?
Definitely people.
Okay.
So your primary then would be outgoing.
People.
So it's this upper right hand quadrant.
If you think of fourquadrants that we've divided.
So I'm gonna go around theclock, I'll get to your second.
So the upper left, which isoutgoing task, those are Ds.
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These are high drivers.
These are results oriented people.
These are the people that arelead, follow, or get outta my way
'cause I'm gonna run you over.
Okay?
About 10% of thepopulation is these people.
They are go all about results.
I, which is what you identified.
Second quadrant.
That's inspirational.
The eyes are, they're very fun people.
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They love, they're the ones that ifthey're in an event and somebody says,
Hey, we need somebody on the state.
They're already on the stage.
The person hasn't even finished thesentence, and they're like, I'm up here.
I'm ready to go.
I'm, cheerleader.
I'm out here.
I'm engaged and active.
They love fun.
Their energy is fun.
By the way, that again,doesn't make them bad people.
It doesn't make them good people.
That's just what drives them.
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And then the third quadrant,so that's reserved.
And people, that's a supporter.
These are the nicest people on the planet.
They're calm, they're collected, they'reall about fairness, the status quo.
They don't like conflict.
They're quiet.
That's that person.
And then the last quadrant, which istask oriented and reserved is a C.
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Okay, that's cautious.
They're gonna be the peoplethat are about getting it right.
They're perfectionists.
They tend to, they want everythingto have an order and a step.
They wanna understand whybefore they do things.
Okay, so there's DI, S, and C.Now, you put yourself in the eye.
If you had to pick one of the otherthree based on what I just said, where
do you think your second place would be?
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Let's see.
Are you more task or are you more reservedwhen you're when you give a second option?
Okay.
So you probably would go down, soyou're probably an S and an I blend.
Okay.
Which means you're about fun andyou're about taking care of people.
Does that, fairness,rightness, that kind of thing.
I like, yes, I'm big on justice.
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I'm not.
I do sometimes need checklistsfor things, but I don't have to.
And I do wanna know whyI have to do things.
I do a reasoning but I don't necessarilyhave to always have a checklist.
But sometimes, I do one, but I'mnot about to just, oh, every time
everything's about to have a spreadsheettype people, I'm not that type.
And that, and you're actuallypointing out a really good
thing because this is the truth.
Most of us are not one of these.
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Sometimes we're a blend ofat least two, often three.
Okay.
And there's another component.
Sometimes it's about how we do when we'rearound other people, and then there's also
how we do, if we're just left to our owndevices and get to do whatever we want.
Okay, so there's what we callthe basic and the environment.
What do you do when you'reput in an environment?
What do you do whenyou're left by yourself?
So there's actually more complexity tothis that I can get into, but we're just
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doing a kind of a surface level pass.
Okay.
So now let's back up.
Why is all of this important?
Imagine for a minute that you.
Who is both of your componentsthat are people oriented are high.
Okay?
So you really talk to,think about the people.
And your boss, let's say,happens to be a DC They're on
the other side of the grid, okay?
So they're all about the task andthe results and the checklist and the
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why and the steps and all of that.
And they come over to you and they say HeyKimi, I need you to get this done here.
Here's the process let meknow if you have any problems.
And off they go.
You're not feeling taken care of.
You're hearing that as, man,they just dumped this on my desk.
That's gonna sound like a lot of fun,this is kinda like work now, but on
the other hand, if they deliver thatsame task and they came over and they
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said, Kimi, we've got this new processthat we're trying to put in place.
I know that you're really good atthinking through the process and making
sure that folks are taken care ofand that, we haven't missed anything.
Nothing's gonna fall throughthe cracks so that everyone
can complete it and do it well.
Would you mind going through this acouple of times and just making sure
and making notes, and if there'sanything that we've missed or that
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you feel is maybe going the wrong way.
Would you come back and talk to me aboutit and that way we can adjust the process
and make sure everyone's taken care of.
Oh yeah.
You're like, Ooh, yeah, I like that.
You got a big smile on your face.
It could be the exact same job.
All I did was present itto you in your language.
And if I'm over here and I'm speakingGerman because I'm all task oriented
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person, and you're over there andyou're speaking French because
you're a people oriented person.
I can yell at you all day long in German.
It doesn't help, so it's aboutunderstanding first, how am I wired?
So what is my naturalcommunication gonna be?
And then also around how are thepeople around me wired so that I can
adapt my communication to meet themwhere they need to be heard, right?
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Because we gotta take careof and care about people.
And by the way, I am atask oriented person.
I am that DC that I was justtalking about, those are
my two highest components.
right.
But when I was a leader of teamsand I figured out who my S's were,
I literally had an event on mycalendar that would pop up once a
week that said, go visit this person.
I had three people that I went andvisited on Wednesday afternoon, and
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then the next three people, and thenext three people until I'd worked
through all of my people and thenthey came back up on the list again.
They knew it was an event on my calendar.
Okay.
They knew that this was their Wednesday,and they would sit there in their queue
waiting for me to come by, 'cause it waslike, and, I made a, I literally took
notes in a notebook and so I would walkup and I'd be like, Hey Kimi, Hey, you.
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Tell me your kids had abasketball game last week.
How'd it go?
Oh good.
Yeah.
they win?
I, all of that.
You knew I was writing it down.
It didn't matter because it's oh,he cares enough to care about me.
And they loved it, by the way, I didn'thave to do that with my eyes 'cause
the eyes, they come to my office.
they came to me, I didn'thave to go seek them out.
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Got it.
Okay.
they'd knock on the doorgoing, Hey, guess what?
Let me tell you about thesoccer game last night.
And so you can learn what your people areand what they need and how to communicate
that works with your client, that workswith your customers, that works with
yourself, that works with your spouse.
And that's just realquick, down and dirty.
There's you could spend hours andhours on this, but that's, gives you
a quick overview of how it applied.
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Oh wow.
Okay.
That's good.
That's.
Really, it's a lot to, it's alot to think of, I guess even
in a love language type of
Perspective of this person may havebeen showing you or really demonstrating
what they feel is loving, but thatmight not give you buzzy type of a
They're gonna work in theway that's natural to them.
Right.
That's not, and again, it's not a valuestatement, that's not a good or bad.
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You need all of these.
You need people fromall of these components.
I jokingly say the reason thatthere's only 10% of the population
that is a D is 'cause if theywere all Ds, we'd kill each other.
Nobody would get anything done.
We'd be, it'd be, it'd be like hungerGames out there, it would not work.
By the way, the mostcommon type is the S's.
Oh, really?
Okay?
By far.
It's about 10% Ds, about 20 to 25%I, and about 20 to 25% C. Everyone
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else is an S, so it is by far themost common kind of person on the
planet from a wiring perspective.
Oh wow, that's crazy.
Wow.
So I do wanna ask, okay, so we do alsotalk on this show about being visible,
whether it's like visibility, if I'mtrying to change something, I'm trying to
do something, just how visibility helpsus with accountability and accountability
partners or groups or what have you.
But you talk a lot about purposeand impact, which is huge,
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which goes into legacy, right?
You have hosted over 700 podcast
Over 1700.
Yeah.
Actually episodes yeah.
Oh my God.
Over 500 interviews and overa thousand solo episodes.
I started it in 2018.
At one point I was podcasting six days aweek, so I did that for, almost two years.
Spell podcast.
That is so if you're a podcaster,you would know how much work that is.
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That just, I'm like, amazed.
Six days a week.
At one time I was podcasting for abouta year and a half, almost two years.
I was podcasting six days a week.
Were you live or,
I did a interview on a Monday, andthen I did an interview on a Saturday,
and then I did everything else was asolo episode and I took Sundays off.
And I didn't do them as live, I did themprerecorded, edited, and then released.
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So you, you were record on Tuesday youbatched up and it released on Wednesday.
I did a batch.
So
Okay, you
I literally blocked off a day, and soon Monday I would do two interviews.
And record.
they would several weeks out,and then I would do set of solo
episodes the rest of that day.
So at that time, I would batch offbasically an entire day just to do
nothing but a week worth of podcastepisodes and then keep going like that.
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That's good.
You're going into all thisaccountability that I like and
this is what I try to tell people.
There's a lot, there's a lotof lessons in this, so it's
a lot about being consistent,
Consistently showing up online,being visible., And just you
are leaving a humongous foot.
Your legacy is everywhere.
I think just talk to us about that.
'cause it can be applied to otherthings outside of podcast too.
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How has doing that, being here and havingthis consistent presence visibly span
standing in your truth, and like yousaid, your purpose and your power, how
has that shaped your business, you feel?
And how has that helped you with feelingas, as far as like leading your legacy?
So all sorts of things.
I have a book you mentioned earlier,I'm an author Inspired Living that
came outta the podcast and when Isay that came out the podcast, what
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I mean is the content in that book.
How did I come up with the content?
It was through talking and processingand thinking through on the podcast
and trying things out and, talkingabout them with a guest or talking
about them on a solo episode.
All of that consistencythat you're talking about.
It's not just consistency of doing itwas consistency of learning and thinking
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through and processing and gettingdeeper, and then I'd go work with a
client and something would happen orI'd learn something with that client.
I'd bring it back to the podcastand I'd think about it, and I
literally talk about it out loud.
See, I don't write.
But I talk, that's how I process.
I'm an auditory person.
I like to think about it out loud.
And so I talk the book, what'smore, the person that helped me,
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that was a writing coach for me,I met them through the podcast.
The person who did the Forward, Imet them through the podcast, the
publisher that published the book.
I met them through the podcast.
The people that I quoted in the book.
I met all of them through the podcast.
All of these connections that I hadand these networks that I had came
about through, I was interviewingpeople on my show or I was going on
other people's shows to be interviewed.
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That was that connectionthat you're talking about.
I built the network.
Then when it was time to harvest thatnetwork and turned it into a book,
I had I literally could reach out toDan Miller and go, Hey, I'd love for
you to do the forward in my book.
Would you be willing to Absolutely.
Because he knew me, he'd interacted withme, I'd had him on my show multiple times.
I'd gone on his, therewas those connections.
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And so what I talk about and thisis you're talking about visibility.
I actually talk about a formula calledVCP, visibility plus credibility.
Over time equals profitability.
Guess here's what happens.
Visibility is just showing up.
Visibility is being out there.
Credibility is showing up in a waywhere people go, that's interesting.
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I'd like to learn more.
You seem to know something.
Being an author is a credibilitytool, 'cause guess what?
People look at that and go,Hey, he must know something.
He wrote a book.
It doesn't actually, now I hope I'vewritten a good book, but, it, that
actually isn't what's important.
It's the credibility tool.
Being on your podcast is credibility,because if I come on your show,
I'm somewhat of an expert.
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Having someone on my show is acredibility tool for me as well as for
them 'cause when you have a guest, it'sooh, that some of that rubs off on you.
So you do visibility plus credibilityand you do that consistently over time.
And that leads to profitability.
'cause you're, I've had over athousand clients in 20 countries.
How do people in other countries find me?
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Because podcasts.
Go across international borders.
Turns out that there's people inGermany listening to my podcast,
there's people in Germany buying a book.
Those things.
Nowadays, especially, they cross thoselines and they go out in a way that you
don't even think about and you don't evenrealize, and they're long tail, guess
what for good or ill the stuff that'son the internet lives for a long time.
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Absolutely.
Ooh.
Absolutely.
And if it's bad stuff,it lives for a long time.
If it's good stuff, itlives for a long time.
So when you curate that and yourealize that's showing up, like you're
talking about consistently over time,little by little, dripping it out.
And then here's the really cool thing.
You can make massive impacts, but it'snot about hitting the ball outta the park.
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It's about little bitty constant tinythings, 15 minutes a day, 20 minutes a
day, one day a week, five minutes a day.
Those little things add up.
And so it's not about doingeverything perfect every day.
It's not about hitting it out of thepark with a one, winning the lottery.
And that's gonna change my life.
It's about those small, consistentefforts and how they add up
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over a long period of time.
That's what really makes animpact and leaves the legacy.
That's it's just so much.
This is very one, veryaspiring for me too.
Even as a podcaster where keep going.
Do more intentionally, I would say andI talk a lot too, or have started to
do a lot of things with my agency, likethe early Accountability agency with
helping other people really see the powerof podcasting and how it can lever for
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not only just content, but connections,collaborations, and same thing.
I interview a lot of people, not as many.
I'm not there yet, but I've met a lotof people and found a lot of people
who helped me in different things.
Through my podcast, and it'sdefinitely a way to, another way to
align yourself around people who,may have a different angle with you
have, who have similar goals, but maybring it, like you said, a different
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perspective or different insight.
And you met all of those people throughpodcasting, and so that's great.
And again, like you said, itdoesn't have to be a podcast.
You can do this other ways, butthe concept is still the same.
It's about finding that thingthat for you, I jokingly tell
people why did I start a podcast?
'cause I hate to write.
And I love to talk,podcasts made sense for me.
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For somebody else, it might be, ablog, it might be a video thing,
it might be speaking, it mightbe, there's a million things.
It might even just be showingup at work consistently.
Little by little over time, itdoesn't have to be everything or
your whole thing to have value.
It just needs to have thatconsistent small steps.
That's good.
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So Scott, this is really good.
I hope you come back to the show.
I feel like we more wecould deep dive into.
It was really good.
I'd be happy to anytime.
thank you.
Why don't you tell the audience, so you'reall over the internet, but tell us, where
the audience should go if they wanna,be able to more, have more focus and
learn more about you and your offerings.
Absolutely.
So what I always do, is I put a landingpage together for every podcast that
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I've gone on, and so I've done that.
For your listeners, if you go over to mywebsite, which is inspiredstewardship.com,
and then just forward slash.
Early accountability, all oneword, no spaces, all lowercase.
What you'll find there is I puttogether some free resources, some
free downloads that you can have.
There's information about mypodcast there, my book, all
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of that stuff on one place.
That way it's really easyfor everyone to find it.
It's also, a link over thereif you want to jump on a call.
This isn't about selling you anything,it's really just if something I
struck you, you've got a question or
want more clarification?
You'd always schedule time and I'dlove to have a chat with anybody.
And again, you can find all ofthat over@inspiredstewardship.com
slash early accountability.
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So Scott, so what are somewords that you live by?
Do you have a daily mantra that youuse to guide yourself in your life?
So I, I've got two things, but, the kindof daily living it is actually on, a, it's
right behind my head, so you can't see it.
There's, a sign back there thathas it is from Micah six eight,
in the Bible, which is, there'sdifferent translations, but it's.
" He has shown you immortal.
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What is good and what does the Lordrequire of you to act justly and to love
mercy, and to walk humbly with your God."
And that's for me is whatI try to do every day.
I think it's about love, it'sabout justice, it's about mercy.
It's about grace.
I try the best I can tolive that out every day.
Don't always succeed, butthat's what I try to do.
And to do that, one of the things for me,is I have what I call a breath pair, which
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is every time I breathe, especially whenI'm upset or frustrated or whatever, I try
to breathe, your will, not mine, becauseat the end of the day, I have to remember.
I'm not here to do what I want to do.
I'm here to do what God's put me hereto do, and that reminder sometimes keeps
me a little humble and keeps me fromfalling into pride and all of those
Yeah, I understand it.
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Scott, thank you so much for,being a guest on the show.
You have really given us a lot.
There's so many gems in here,how we can apply to so many
different dimensions in life.
So I just wanted to thank youagain for being a guest on the
podcast and to the audience.
Until next time.
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