September 12, 2024 • 31 mins
Join us on the Ella Go Podcast as we sit down with Vanessa Kavulish, a coach devoted to helping women break free from mental barriers and fully embrace their potential. Vanessa shares her journey of self-discovery and empowerment, starting with her weight loss journey and overcoming self-worth issues. She emphasizes the importance of the mind-body connection and how it impacts our overall well-being. Vanessa works with women to help them overcome limiting beliefs and negative self-talk, giving them permission to explore themselves and prioritize their own needs.
Takeaways
- The mind-body connection is crucial for overall well-being and self-acceptance.
- Overcoming limiting beliefs and negative self-talk is essential for personal growth and empowerment.
- Giving yourself permission to explore and prioritize your own needs is key to living a fulfilling life.
- Surrounding yourself with experienced professionals and mentors can accelerate your growth and success.
- Dance fitness can be a powerful tool for self-expression and empowerment.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Ella Go.
My name is Lisa.
Join me on the journey inhaving real raw and
uncomfortable discussions aboutfitness, health and everything
in between, because, let's behonest, this journey would suck
if we don't get our shittogether.
Welcome back to the ElegoPodcast.
(00:38):
My name is Lisa, I am your hostand today's guest is Vanessa.
Vanessa, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hi, it's so nice to be here.
I am so excited.
Thank you so much for having meon.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So Vanessa reminded me that we met through the
Health Coach Institute and I'mlike, oh my God, I totally
forgot about that.
And she has quite an impressiveresume and she also has a
journey and I wanted her to comeon here and talk about that
journey, how she's overcome itand how she is using those life
(01:12):
lessons to help others.
So, vanessa, introduce yourselfto the listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, first of all, again, it's so exciting to be
here, like I'm just so excitedto be able to have this
conversation with you, lisa, andto be able to share with
everybody.
So my journey started reallyway back in 2015, when I had
moved to Florida for a sales jobthat I did not like, and it was
(01:40):
really a low point in my life.
I had no idea who I was at all,and I found myself really
having to force myself to beexcited about this job, and I
ended up finding myself brokebecause I wasn't living in
alignment with myself.
I couldn't make sales.
I almost got my car repossessedand ended up.
(02:01):
My job closed its doors andleft.
They moved themselves out ofstate, and so I was in a really
crazy place, and so it wasinteresting, and I had to work
really hard to start with mymindset in that period of time,
because I felt like the sky wasfalling.
Nothing made sense to me,everything was awful, and I
(02:25):
stumbled across this book calledyour Wish is your Command, or
it was actually an audio onYouTube.
I think it's still there.
It's Kevin Turdo.
I don't know if you've everheard of it, but it's very
similar to the Secret, wherehe's talking about mindset and
where your energy, yourattention flows, energy goes,
and so I really started to focusmy journey, like right then and
(02:47):
there, and I moved back toSedona, which is where I'm from,
and I started this weight lossjourney.
That was kind of where mymindset shift started, because
when I was in Florida I was somiserable that I was overeating
and all of the things likedefinitely lots of mental health
stuff in that period of time.
So my journey to where I am nowtruly started as a weight loss
(03:15):
journey and I had to workthrough a lot of things in that
time, like a lot of self-worthissues and being in narcissistic
relationships and so manythings.
Like you said, there's justbeen so many things that I have
been on a journey through andthis journey to self-discovery
while it's definitely not overyet I don't think it's ever over
but I have pulled so much fromthose experiences about the
(03:38):
importance of moving your bodyand learning to actually not
only love yourself but to likeyourself and to respect yourself
so much that you want to makedecisions for yourself and that
you don't need to be in thepresence of somebody else in
order to live life and to be litup and to make your own
(03:58):
decisions.
And so, as I was going throughthis journey and I was starting
to share it, I was reallygetting into this power of
positivity and seeing resultsfor myself.
I started to share it all onsocial media and I started to
get these DMs from people.
They were asking me if I was acoach and I was like, no, like,
(04:18):
what is that?
Like, what is it?
I don't even know what that isLike.
It wasn't even on my radar Atthat point.
I was very deep into highproductivity, high performance
habits with Brendan Burchard andlistening to Rachel Hollis, and
so I was still on that growthjourney, but it hadn't connected
the dots.
That that was kind of the routeI was pointed and by the time I
got probably my third or fourthquestion on that, I was like,
(04:41):
you know, this really feels likea sign from the universe.
I had hit my goal weight forthe first time ever.
I was about, I think, four yearsinto my journey, because this
was 2021, when I finally decided, after I got that fourth
message, that I should probablylook into being a coach.
So I enrolled at Health CoachInstitute, which is where I met
(05:05):
you.
I got my certification in sixmonths and I originally started
with body positivity.
For all of those reasons, thatwas my very first niche when I
was newly certified.
But now I focus on feminineempowerment and helping women to
embrace themselves and justfind out what they're into, find
(05:26):
out what they enjoy.
You empower women throughrunning, and there's some women
who may not even know that theyenjoy something like that
because they've never taken thetime to ask themselves that
question or to even explore that.
And so, looking at my historyand my story, that was why I
decided to switch my niche,because if I had never started
(05:48):
that journey and asked myselfthat and tried new things, I
would have never led myself todance fitness Like.
For me, that is my movement,that is what speaks to me, what
helps me to express, and there'sso many other things that I
enjoy in life that I never wouldhave known about if I didn't
empower myself to make thosedecisions on my own.
(06:08):
So that is what I teach womento do.
Now that is present day, and Ilove it.
So, so, so much so you justunpacked a lot I did.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So let's take a step back here.
So at the beginning you weretalking about, you had to go
through this journey and let goof what was the narrative that
you were working from, that youhad to like face and had to
(06:49):
overcome so that you could startlike loving your life, loving
yourself, and then you startedlosing the weight A lot of it is
or was the need for constantexternal validation and feeling
like I had to constantly dothings that I didn't want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I never even would ask myself, like is this an
event you want to go to?
Are these people that you wantto be around?
I would say, oh, this grouplooks good, I'm going to go
insert myself there.
And then it wasn't a fit for me, and so I would sit there in
the corner and worry about whatthey thought about me the entire
time, like do I look fat inthese clothes?
Do they think that I'm funny?
(07:32):
Are they excited I'm here?
Do they even want me here?
How do they think my hair lookstoday?
So many things Like.
That list goes on and on, andthen that just leads to
self-deprecating behavior.
Right, and that was one thing Iwas the most guilty of was
having a very negative mindsetand saying like oh well, you're
stupid or you're fat or no onelikes you because of this.
(07:56):
If you just lose the weight,then people will like you.
If you just lose the weight,then you'll get a relationship
that isn't verbally abusive,that isn't narcissistic.
That is something that's goodfor you.
And so I was thinking that,because of the way that my body
looked, that that directlycorrelated to everything else in
my life, to my experience inFlorida not being good, to my
(08:17):
romantic relationship, to thefriends and the circles that I
picked.
I never thought that it was acircle that wasn't a good fit
for me, which was the reality.
It was just well.
They don't like me because ofthe way that I look.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That you know, vanessa, all those things that
you're talking about.
So many women feel that way.
Our worth is based on our looks, how we look, how our body is,
on our looks.
How we look, how our body issuch a hard thing to go through
and break that narrative, breakthat cycle.
(08:50):
It's really hard becauseeverybody's kind of thinking
that you know, if I lose theweight, oh, I'll have more
attention and I'll have a betterboyfriend.
If I lose the weight, I will,you know, have a better job.
If I lose the weight, I will behappy.
But then how many people do youknow that are not happy after
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they lose the weight?
And that was exactly me.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I got to that point where I lost the weight and I
was like, oh my God, I don'tfeel any different.
I don't feel any different inhere, and so that actually
brings us back full circle tothe answer of your question.
Is that mind-body connection?
And that was where I reallyrealized that it's actually more
than that, and I feel likeuntil you experience that moment
(09:35):
, it's very hard to wrap yourhead around, because if somebody
had said that to me before, I'msure people told me that before
and it didn't register at all,like to the point where I don't
even remember it.
But it was actually experiencingthat, because I'd found joy in
movement and it helped me tolive a healthier lifestyle,
start to get some more honestrelationships that were healthy
(09:57):
for me.
But then I still didn't feeldifferent.
My self-talk wasn't different,I didn't feel like I looked
different in the mirror, so mybehavior with myself wasn't any
different, and so that's where Ihad to really make that big
shift, because your body canstore all of that negative
feeling, all of the sadness,everything that we don't move
out can just sit inside of yourbody, and so you have to be able
(10:20):
to move that out as well.
So that was also kind of whathad started to leave me on that
power of positivity, movementand starting to express those
things and really shift mymindset, because there's no
point in having a body thatyou're proud of if you still
feel ugly on the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Mm-hmm, and you know I call it fat brain.
Mm, hmm, and you know I call itfat brain, like you know,
seriously, because if you youknow, I've been through that
(11:01):
whole situation as well youcould lose the weight and then
you still look at the man,you're like she's, she's still,
that's still that.
Somebody put that said I wish,when I was in high school, when
I thought I was fat, that Iwould be that weight again
because you were not fat.
That mindset really can.
If you don't work through it,you hit it on the nail.
If you don't do the workinternally, no matter what you
do externally, it's not going togive you that happiness.
(11:24):
The other thing that you said,that I feel that I was just
thinking about this today andyesterday, and it's almost.
I have to be very carefulsaying this because I don't want
to offend anyone, but unlessyou went through that, unless
you went through that, it's veryhard to understand how it feels
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to go through thattransformation and having to
look at your body in a certainway.
I think that you really have tobe somebody that went through
that experience.
So, with that being said, theclients that you see, are they
mostly women?
They are, yes, okay, and whatwould you say is if you could
(12:10):
pick like one or two themes,like what are the one or two
themes that they're working from, where they need the help to,
with you helping them toovercome?
What are some of the themesthat you tend to see a lot with
the women?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, so the biggest one is limiting beliefs.
It's really limiting beliefsand self-talk, and I think they
really work hand in handtogether.
And it doesn't matter if it'sdue to weight or mom guilt or
being a career woman.
It all goes back to I don'tthink I deserve anything better
(12:45):
than this, because I've neverbeen taught that I can take up
space right.
We're all taught to be thisgood girl, right, where you
don't speak unless spoken to.
You stay quiet.
We are praised for how we lookand not who we are.
Men, on the other hand, they'repraised for how they are right
and not how they look.
And so they have a whole otherset of issues, and I'm not
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negating that fact at all.
But as women, we don't know howto take up space.
And while I have a lot ofsuccess and I teach women to do
this and I see them make thesechanges, which is so amazing,
there are still things in thatarea that I have to work on for
myself as well, because there'salways another layer.
But that is the biggest thing isteaching them that they have
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permission to move.
They have permission to explorethemselves and not worry about
what they think is going to holdthem back, because 99% of the
time it's someone's going tojudge me my mom or my dad, my
spouse, my sister when reallythey just want you to be you and
so the more you that you can be, the better that is.
(13:51):
And when they get a little tasteof that, it kind of becomes a
snowball effect, right when it'slike oh man, I want more of
that, because that feels goodand I didn't know that I was
allowed to do that.
And it's the same with theself-talk.
I didn't know that I wasallowed to do that and it's the
same with the self-talk.
I didn't know that I hadanother option, because this
feels normal to me.
It feels normal that I need toself-deprecate and to talk about
(14:13):
the fact that I'm not thin, orthe fact that I need to feel
guilty that I had some Cheetosthis weekend or a piece of cake
at a birthday party because mygrandma used to say something to
me.
Or, you know, my dad said myshirt was too tight when I was
10.
It's all of those things thatreally stick with us.
We don't feel like we have thepermission to let go of.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, you said so many things.
Okay, when do I begin with thisone?
What I loved?
Well, what I loved, one of thethings that you said, was that
this is where I give you a lotof respect and a lot of other
coaches and therapists andphysical whatever, whatever the
helping field.
When you are saying, hey, I'mnot perfect, I'm still going.
(14:59):
You know, I'm working throughmy my self too, and it's, it's a
journey.
It's never ending.
It's never like I'm healed.
I'm working through my myselftoo, and it's a journey.
It's never ending.
It's never like I'm healed, I'mstill healing.
And I feel like that is such agreat thing to say to others
because it makes somebody likeyour clients to say, wow, I'm
not abnormal, I'm not strange,I'm not alone.
(15:23):
You know I'm not strange, I,I'm not alone.
I'm not alone because you knowpeople are going through a
similar journey like me, andthen look how they're overcoming
it, Look how they're workingthrough it.
So I love that you said that,Um.
And then, as far as the actualprocess, the get, the giving,
the permission, I mean, how freedoes that woman feel?
(15:46):
Like, oh my God.
And it's like you, Vanessa, youbeing that coach and you going
through it and sometimes I can Isay this to myself I'm like, oh
, how did you not think that youwere, you know?
But what a great feeling it isto be free to be me.
I mean, I know that's such acliche free to be me.
(16:07):
How freeing is that?
I guess for some of those womenthat's such an obstacle to
overcome.
And what would you say?
Is it really my fear of whatpeople think of me that's
stopping someone to be free tobe themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, that's a good question and I really think it
is.
I think it goes back to thevalidation, right, because think
about how many women do we know, or how many times in our lives
have we been in some kind ofsocial situation or family
situation where it's like, well,they have to come first.
Right, like my children have tocome first, my spouse has to
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come first, or even in a socialsetting with my friends.
I have something I want to say,but I'm not going to say it.
I want to be nice, right, andwe tell ourselves that we're
being the good girl, we're beingnice.
Well, nice and kind are twodifferent things.
Right, like I'm going to benice to my friend that has
broccoli in their teeth.
But the kind thing would be toactually say something.
(17:09):
Right, to embarrass them in themoment and risk maybe they
think I'm mean because I said it, but at least now they don't
have to go through the rest ofthe day with food in their teeth
.
Right, and we don't look at itthat way.
We don't want to embarrass them, or we don't want to rock the
boat or, you know, tell ourfriends, hey, I'm actually
interested in this.
Right, like with me for dancefitness.
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When I started that, I almostdidn't want to tell my friends
at first because I knew theywouldn't get it and they didn't
get it right.
But I had to make the decisionto give myself permission to do
something that was on my heartto do.
And that's the biggest and thescariest thing to do, because
you just don't know if thosepeople are going to judge you,
if they're going to leave you,even for something like that to
be as silly and trivial as thatsounds.
(17:53):
We don't feel that way becauseit's a part of our life, right?
And we're like oh my God, whathappens if my people leave me
because I want to live formyself?
What happens if my spousedecides that he doesn't want to
be with me anymore because Istarted to put myself first,
right?
And the reality is, when youput yourself first, you can
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actually show up greater forthose people.
You can actually be a betterfriend, you can be a better
partner to people.
The more you express yourselfand the more you know yourself
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rejection is protection.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Rejection is protection.
That person wasn't for you andI said just be you, don't feel
like you have to be somebodyelse.
I love all of those things thatyou said.
So, with that, what does itlook like to work with you?
So, let's say, somebody signsup with you or contacts you.
What are some of the thingsthat you do, at first, initially
, and then getting them on thatjourney?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah.
So first we want to ease themin slowly, because this is
something that it feels like abig, scary jump right.
And so, once they've actuallyadmitted to themselves that they
want to do this, because that'slike the first hurdle is, like
I don't even want people to knowI think I have a problem or
that I don't feel like I'm happywhere I am Right.
Once they get through that, wework on a lot of like goals and
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intention setting.
We want to make sure that we'revery intentional when we go in.
So what do you expect to getout of this program?
How can we make you successful?
So that it's something thatfeels like, it's tangible,
something that we can plan for,because know, as a coach too,
like accountability is a hugepart of it.
So how are we going to makethis something that is not going
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to be so big and terrifying toyou that you want to keep moving
forward?
But also, like, how can wedream bigger?
Like, how can we make thisdream of yours a reality?
Right, so we really start withthe framework there and then we
move into experiential play,right?
So, like now we get to start tobuild a vision and we get to
see, like, what are those thingsthat like, maybe you liked as a
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child, or those things thatyou've always wanted to try, but
maybe you've never actuallysaid out loud like to anybody,
not even not even your steeringwheel when you're by yourself in
your car, right?
Like what are those things thatfeel just a little bit wild for
you, right, and it doesn't haveto be like, you know, skydiving
.
You know, maybe it is taking adance class or maybe it's going
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and taking a pottery class byyourself?
I had a woman that wanted tojust go have dinner by herself.
She had four kids and justwanted to simply go to dinner in
a nice restaurant and read abook, and so, and for her that
was wild and big and terrifyingand scary.
But man, when she did it shewas like holy shit, that was
amazing.
I want to do that all the time,right, but then she gets like
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so much more energy for herselfand for her family after that,
and so we focus on that quite abit.
So it's a lot of how do I dothis?
What are the things I want?
Let me schedule it on mycalendar and then, guess what?
Now we're going to go do it.
So the end of the program isreally about how do we
communicate, how do I share thiswith you, how do I tell you
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that this is something that'simportant to me, so I can get
support from those around me?
And then the biggest, scariestthing on your list oh, girl,
that's what we're doing, we'regoing to go do that.
So, like for her, that was thedinner thing, like that was her
celebration, her graduation fromthe program, and like really
learning that she can do thesethings, that she can find ways
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to express herself withouthaving to give up everything
else, but also not puttingherself to the side either.
So that's the biggest focus ofthe program is just really like
asking yourself those questionsand getting clear on what you
want and making sure thateverybody else's thoughts and
opinions are off to the side.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, great process.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah,great process.
And of course, you want to easeit in.
I loved that you saidintentional.
So and this is for those whoare listening and whether or not
you want to lose weight, andit's like, okay, where do you
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begin?
Where do you start?
What steps?
What's the first step?
What does that look like?
Like that's what the coach isgoing to help you with.
You know, put it into a plan andnot just have this broad goal
and say, oh, I want to loseweight or I want to be able to I
don't know set up date myselfor I want to attract better
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people, but you have to have aplan in place.
You need some accountability aswell, and that is where a coach
comes in handy.
They're going to keep youaccountable, especially on the
days that you don't want to doit.
So they're going to be likehello, remember that goal that
you put together.
You know you got to put thatthrough.
(23:09):
So let's talk about your resumejust a little bit, cause I know
when we first spoke, I was likegirl, how the heck did you work
with Tony Robbins?
I'm like, how did that happen?
So you know, first tell us howdid that happen.
And then, what did you takefrom that experience that you
use now with your coaching, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So I'm a big believer that timing is everything and I
mentioned it earlier when theuniverse sends you a sign, you
just got to lean in and say yes,right, which is how I got into
coaching to begin with.
And so it's really actuallypretty funny how that happened,
because I had graduated from HCIand I was kind of just going it
on my own trying to figure itout with the tools that they
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gave us, trying to market, and Ihad invested in a high ticket
business building program afterthat, with a local coach who I
learned more about marketingfrom.
So I'm in this space where I'mstarting to create more content
on Instagram and I'm building myaudience and for anybody
listening who has built anaudience, there's just a lot of
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connection building that you'redoing there, right?
So who's liking my posts a lot,who's commenting a lot and who
can I have a privateconversation with and see if
they're interested in my program, right, like, build a
friendship and go from there.
And there was somebody who hadbeen on my personal account, who
had seen all the philanthropy,the volunteer work that I've
(24:34):
done because I've done that fora long time as well saw my
entire weight loss journey, myjourney through becoming a coach
and then followed me over to mycoaching profile and it was
actually a man funny enough, andI was like, oh, he's liking all
my stuff and like he seemspretty engaged and I, you know,
I don't want to cherry pick hereso maybe he wants what I have
(24:56):
to offer.
So I started, you know, to talkto him in my DMs because
obviously I was kind of familiarwith him after years of him
being a follower and he was likewell, I'm not interested in
your services, but I do work formastermindcom and we need some
coaches.
So he was like, would you beinterested in coming and
interviewing?
And I happened to live like 15minutes away from the
(25:20):
headquarters.
So I was like, okay, like whynot?
Yeah, absolutely.
Like let me, let me come in andsee what this is all about.
And the rest is history.
You know, I went in there and Iwas just honest about, you know,
the level of experience that Ihad, because I was still kind of
a new coach.
And they were like that's fine,like we'll teach you, like this
is the knowledge industry,that's what we're all about, is
(25:40):
like growth and learning anddevelopment.
And so I signed on.
I didn't look back from thatand I did it for a couple years
and it was amazing.
I've worked with hundreds ofclients there as well Tony
Robbins and a Dean Graziosicompany as well, so a lot of it.
It was different than theempowerment and mindset coaching
.
It was all business focused,but it's helped me a lot to
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understand the other pieces ofthe business as well and the
experience that I got there andthe brilliant human beings that
I've been surrounded by whetherit's having Trent Shelton in the
office for the day or BrendanBurchard oh my God, when he came
into the office I was totallystarstruck and I didn't even say
(26:25):
anything to him.
I still will have to.
If I ever see him again, I'llbe like hey, um, but like having
experiences like that isamazing.
But also just the incrediblyexperienced and qualified people
that work behind the scenesthere as well.
So to be able to, you know, pickour copywriter's brain or our
marketer's brain on things, orour actual marketing director
(26:47):
had a, I think, top five podcastthat she's put down, and so
when I launched my podcast, tobe able to pick her brain and
get her support on what thingswork, it's helped me to grow
immeasurably and that reallyjust speaks volumes to your
growth and your success in lifein general is all about who you
surround yourself with, and it'sabout being willing to ask
(27:11):
questions.
The better questions, thestronger.
Questions obviously will getyou where you want to go a
little bit faster, and that'ssomething I was not good at in
the beginning at all.
But being able to surroundyourself by people and just
having the humility to admitthat you don't know something
around them will definitely getyou more of the knowledge that
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you're looking for quicker,versus you just trying to do
everything on your own, whichagain also echoes like the power
of having a coach or a mentoraround you.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's just amazing, amazing story let's talk about.
You said it's dance fitness,dance fitness.
Okay, what is that?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So the easiest format that everybody knows is Zumba.
Zumba is like a dance fitnessformat, so there's all kinds of
different ones out there, but Ithink Zumba was like one of the
first and so I liked Zumba.
I did it when I was in college,but I actually, when I lived in
Florida, I started to take onethat was called the Vixen
workout, which is still around.
(28:07):
It's called VXN now but it wasa very empowering type of
workout and it also helped mewith my affirmations, which is
really funny.
It's like just funny how thingswork out and how they align
themselves.
So at the beginning of everyclass, when you go to take a
Vixen class and it's very likeLatin hip hop, pop type of music
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.
It's, all you know, again,based on Miami, so it's all the
Miami vibes.
You would have to look yourselfin the mirror every class at
the very beginning and everyonetogether would say making eye
contact with themselves yes, I'msexy, yes, I'm fierce, yes,
I've got this, yes, and youwould say it like three or four
times until it was like theclass had energy and it was
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built up and it was ready to go,and when I first started that I
could not look myself in theeyes.
I could not do it.
I couldn't, it was souncomfortable, I didn't believe
what I was saying.
But I will tell you that once Istarted to allow myself to
believe the words that I wassaying, like I gave myself that
permission, it was like damn,like let me say that again,
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cause it like feels so good.
And then the next thing, youknow, you feel that and it
really opened me up to have moreof that expression through my
body and through my movement,and also taught me that I don't
have to move like everybody elseeither.
My body doesn't have to look ormove like the instructor does,
and that actually led me downanother path to be a dance
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fitness instructor.
So I did that for four years aswell, because I wanted to show
other people too that, like I'mnot a dancer, I have no
experience at all other thanthis, and if I can do it, you
can do it, and it was justanother part of my empowerment
journey.
But it it that I, that formatis just something that, like
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honestly really changed my life.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, you are a dancer, because I was.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm looking at some of your videos and I'm like this
is so cool and you're likeyou're doing performances and
you have like this whole.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You have it all on your Instagram account.
I think that's so cool andyou're like you're doing
performances and you have likethis whole.
You have it all on yourInstagram account.
I think that's so cool thatyou're showing that and I love
it.
I love it Anything that has todo with dancing and, oh, it's
fitness too.
That's great.
Vanessa, where can people findyou?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, I am all over the place, so easiest place I
pretty much live on Instagram,so that's the easiest place to
reach me.
You can reach me it's coachnesson Instagram.
On YouTube, I also have mypodcast.
It's called the Rebel RisePodcast.
It very much fits the theme ofeverything that we were talking
about today.
That's on YouTube and it wouldbe coach underscore ness, so
(30:45):
very similar.
And you can also find that onSpotify as well.
But the best place to reach medirectly is going to be on
Instagram, for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, and if you go to her Instagram account, it
says you're no bullshitempowerment coach.
If that doesn't say it all,that says it all.
Vanessa, thank you so much forbeing a part of this.
Who would have known that wewould be like?
You would be on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I know right.
So thank you again for being apart of this and for those of
you who want to reach out toVanessa, we'll put all her
information and links to get ahold of her on the podcast notes
.
Vanessa, again, thank you somuch for being a part of this Of
course, Lisa.
Thanks for having me and untilnext time, everyone Bye.
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My name is Lisa, I am your hostand today's guest is Vanessa.
Vanessa, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hi, it's so nice to be here.
I am so excited.
Thank you so much for having meon.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So Vanessa reminded me that we met through the
Health Coach Institute and I'mlike, oh my God, I totally
forgot about that.
And she has quite an impressiveresume and she also has a
journey and I wanted her to comeon here and talk about that
journey, how she's overcome itand how she is using those life
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lessons to help others.
So, vanessa, introduce yourselfto the listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, first of all, again, it's so exciting to be
here, like I'm just so excitedto be able to have this
conversation with you, lisa, andto be able to share with
everybody.
So my journey started reallyway back in 2015, when I had
moved to Florida for a sales jobthat I did not like, and it was
(01:40):
really a low point in my life.
I had no idea who I was at all,and I found myself really
having to force myself to beexcited about this job, and I
ended up finding myself brokebecause I wasn't living in
alignment with myself.
I couldn't make sales.
I almost got my car repossessedand ended up.
(02:01):
My job closed its doors andleft.
They moved themselves out ofstate, and so I was in a really
crazy place, and so it wasinteresting, and I had to work
really hard to start with mymindset in that period of time,
because I felt like the sky wasfalling.
Nothing made sense to me,everything was awful, and I
(02:25):
stumbled across this book calledyour Wish is your Command, or
it was actually an audio onYouTube.
I think it's still there.
It's Kevin Turdo.
I don't know if you've everheard of it, but it's very
similar to the Secret, wherehe's talking about mindset and
where your energy, yourattention flows, energy goes,
and so I really started to focusmy journey, like right then and
(02:47):
there, and I moved back toSedona, which is where I'm from,
and I started this weight lossjourney.
That was kind of where mymindset shift started, because
when I was in Florida I was somiserable that I was overeating
and all of the things likedefinitely lots of mental health
stuff in that period of time.
So my journey to where I am nowtruly started as a weight loss
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journey and I had to workthrough a lot of things in that
time, like a lot of self-worthissues and being in narcissistic
relationships and so manythings.
Like you said, there's justbeen so many things that I have
been on a journey through andthis journey to self-discovery
while it's definitely not overyet I don't think it's ever over
but I have pulled so much fromthose experiences about the
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importance of moving your bodyand learning to actually not
only love yourself but to likeyourself and to respect yourself
so much that you want to makedecisions for yourself and that
you don't need to be in thepresence of somebody else in
order to live life and to be litup and to make your own
(03:58):
decisions.
And so, as I was going throughthis journey and I was starting
to share it, I was reallygetting into this power of
positivity and seeing resultsfor myself.
I started to share it all onsocial media and I started to
get these DMs from people.
They were asking me if I was acoach and I was like, no, like,
(04:18):
what is that?
Like, what is it?
I don't even know what that isLike.
It wasn't even on my radar Atthat point.
I was very deep into highproductivity, high performance
habits with Brendan Burchard andlistening to Rachel Hollis, and
so I was still on that growthjourney, but it hadn't connected
the dots.
That that was kind of the routeI was pointed and by the time I
got probably my third or fourthquestion on that, I was like,
(04:41):
you know, this really feels likea sign from the universe.
I had hit my goal weight forthe first time ever.
I was about, I think, four yearsinto my journey, because this
was 2021, when I finally decided, after I got that fourth
message, that I should probablylook into being a coach.
So I enrolled at Health CoachInstitute, which is where I met
(05:05):
you.
I got my certification in sixmonths and I originally started
with body positivity.
For all of those reasons, thatwas my very first niche when I
was newly certified.
But now I focus on feminineempowerment and helping women to
embrace themselves and justfind out what they're into, find
(05:26):
out what they enjoy.
You empower women throughrunning, and there's some women
who may not even know that theyenjoy something like that
because they've never taken thetime to ask themselves that
question or to even explore that.
And so, looking at my historyand my story, that was why I
decided to switch my niche,because if I had never started
(05:48):
that journey and asked myselfthat and tried new things, I
would have never led myself todance fitness Like.
For me, that is my movement,that is what speaks to me, what
helps me to express, and there'sso many other things that I
enjoy in life that I never wouldhave known about if I didn't
empower myself to make thosedecisions on my own.
(06:08):
So that is what I teach womento do.
Now that is present day, and Ilove it.
So, so, so much so you justunpacked a lot I did.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So let's take a step back here.
So at the beginning you weretalking about, you had to go
through this journey and let goof what was the narrative that
you were working from, that youhad to like face and had to
(06:49):
overcome so that you could startlike loving your life, loving
yourself, and then you startedlosing the weight A lot of it is
or was the need for constantexternal validation and feeling
like I had to constantly dothings that I didn't want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I never even would ask myself, like is this an
event you want to go to?
Are these people that you wantto be around?
I would say, oh, this grouplooks good, I'm going to go
insert myself there.
And then it wasn't a fit for me, and so I would sit there in
the corner and worry about whatthey thought about me the entire
time, like do I look fat inthese clothes?
Do they think that I'm funny?
(07:32):
Are they excited I'm here?
Do they even want me here?
How do they think my hair lookstoday?
So many things Like.
That list goes on and on, andthen that just leads to
self-deprecating behavior.
Right, and that was one thing Iwas the most guilty of was
having a very negative mindsetand saying like oh well, you're
stupid or you're fat or no onelikes you because of this.
(07:56):
If you just lose the weight,then people will like you.
If you just lose the weight,then you'll get a relationship
that isn't verbally abusive,that isn't narcissistic.
That is something that's goodfor you.
And so I was thinking that,because of the way that my body
looked, that that directlycorrelated to everything else in
my life, to my experience inFlorida not being good, to my
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romantic relationship, to thefriends and the circles that I
picked.
I never thought that it was acircle that wasn't a good fit
for me, which was the reality.
It was just well.
They don't like me because ofthe way that I look.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That you know, vanessa, all those things that
you're talking about.
So many women feel that way.
Our worth is based on our looks, how we look, how our body is,
on our looks.
How we look, how our body issuch a hard thing to go through
and break that narrative, breakthat cycle.
(08:50):
It's really hard becauseeverybody's kind of thinking
that you know, if I lose theweight, oh, I'll have more
attention and I'll have a betterboyfriend.
If I lose the weight, I will,you know, have a better job.
If I lose the weight, I will behappy.
But then how many people do youknow that are not happy after
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they lose the weight?
And that was exactly me.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I got to that point where I lost the weight and I
was like, oh my God, I don'tfeel any different.
I don't feel any different inhere, and so that actually
brings us back full circle tothe answer of your question.
Is that mind-body connection?
And that was where I reallyrealized that it's actually more
than that, and I feel likeuntil you experience that moment
(09:35):
, it's very hard to wrap yourhead around, because if somebody
had said that to me before, I'msure people told me that before
and it didn't register at all,like to the point where I don't
even remember it.
But it was actually experiencingthat, because I'd found joy in
movement and it helped me tolive a healthier lifestyle,
start to get some more honestrelationships that were healthy
(09:57):
for me.
But then I still didn't feeldifferent.
My self-talk wasn't different,I didn't feel like I looked
different in the mirror, so mybehavior with myself wasn't any
different, and so that's where Ihad to really make that big
shift, because your body canstore all of that negative
feeling, all of the sadness,everything that we don't move
out can just sit inside of yourbody, and so you have to be able
(10:20):
to move that out as well.
So that was also kind of whathad started to leave me on that
power of positivity, movementand starting to express those
things and really shift mymindset, because there's no
point in having a body thatyou're proud of if you still
feel ugly on the inside.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Mm-hmm, and you know I call it fat brain.
Mm, hmm, and you know I call itfat brain, like you know,
seriously, because if you youknow, I've been through that
(11:01):
whole situation as well youcould lose the weight and then
you still look at the man,you're like she's, she's still,
that's still that.
Somebody put that said I wish,when I was in high school, when
I thought I was fat, that Iwould be that weight again
because you were not fat.
That mindset really can.
If you don't work through it,you hit it on the nail.
If you don't do the workinternally, no matter what you
do externally, it's not going togive you that happiness.
(11:24):
The other thing that you said,that I feel that I was just
thinking about this today andyesterday, and it's almost.
I have to be very carefulsaying this because I don't want
to offend anyone, but unlessyou went through that, unless
you went through that, it's veryhard to understand how it feels
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to go through thattransformation and having to
look at your body in a certainway.
I think that you really have tobe somebody that went through
that experience.
So, with that being said, theclients that you see, are they
mostly women?
They are, yes, okay, and whatwould you say is if you could
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pick like one or two themes,like what are the one or two
themes that they're working from, where they need the help to,
with you helping them toovercome?
What are some of the themesthat you tend to see a lot with
the women?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, so the biggest one is limiting beliefs.
It's really limiting beliefsand self-talk, and I think they
really work hand in handtogether.
And it doesn't matter if it'sdue to weight or mom guilt or
being a career woman.
It all goes back to I don'tthink I deserve anything better
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than this, because I've neverbeen taught that I can take up
space right.
We're all taught to be thisgood girl, right, where you
don't speak unless spoken to.
You stay quiet.
We are praised for how we lookand not who we are.
Men, on the other hand, they'repraised for how they are right
and not how they look.
And so they have a whole otherset of issues, and I'm not
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negating that fact at all.
But as women, we don't know howto take up space.
And while I have a lot ofsuccess and I teach women to do
this and I see them make thesechanges, which is so amazing,
there are still things in thatarea that I have to work on for
myself as well, because there'salways another layer.
But that is the biggest thing isteaching them that they have
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permission to move.
They have permission to explorethemselves and not worry about
what they think is going to holdthem back, because 99% of the
time it's someone's going tojudge me my mom or my dad, my
spouse, my sister when reallythey just want you to be you and
so the more you that you can be, the better that is.
(13:51):
And when they get a little tasteof that, it kind of becomes a
snowball effect, right when it'slike oh man, I want more of
that, because that feels goodand I didn't know that I was
allowed to do that.
And it's the same with theself-talk.
I didn't know that I wasallowed to do that and it's the
same with the self-talk.
I didn't know that I hadanother option, because this
feels normal to me.
It feels normal that I need toself-deprecate and to talk about
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the fact that I'm not thin, orthe fact that I need to feel
guilty that I had some Cheetosthis weekend or a piece of cake
at a birthday party because mygrandma used to say something to
me.
Or, you know, my dad said myshirt was too tight when I was
10.
It's all of those things thatreally stick with us.
We don't feel like we have thepermission to let go of.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, you said so many things.
Okay, when do I begin with thisone?
What I loved?
Well, what I loved, one of thethings that you said, was that
this is where I give you a lotof respect and a lot of other
coaches and therapists andphysical whatever, whatever the
helping field.
When you are saying, hey, I'mnot perfect, I'm still going.
(14:59):
You know, I'm working throughmy my self too, and it's, it's a
journey.
It's never ending.
It's never like I'm healed.
I'm working through my myselftoo, and it's a journey.
It's never ending.
It's never like I'm healed, I'mstill healing.
And I feel like that is such agreat thing to say to others
because it makes somebody likeyour clients to say, wow, I'm
not abnormal, I'm not strange,I'm not alone.
(15:23):
You know I'm not strange, I,I'm not alone.
I'm not alone because you knowpeople are going through a
similar journey like me, andthen look how they're overcoming
it, Look how they're workingthrough it.
So I love that you said that,Um.
And then, as far as the actualprocess, the get, the giving,
the permission, I mean, how freedoes that woman feel?
(15:46):
Like, oh my God.
And it's like you, Vanessa, youbeing that coach and you going
through it and sometimes I can Isay this to myself I'm like, oh
, how did you not think that youwere, you know?
But what a great feeling it isto be free to be me.
I mean, I know that's such acliche free to be me.
(16:07):
How freeing is that?
I guess for some of those womenthat's such an obstacle to
overcome.
And what would you say?
Is it really my fear of whatpeople think of me that's
stopping someone to be free tobe themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, that's a good question and I really think it
is.
I think it goes back to thevalidation, right, because think
about how many women do we know, or how many times in our lives
have we been in some kind ofsocial situation or family
situation where it's like, well,they have to come first.
Right, like my children have tocome first, my spouse has to
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come first, or even in a socialsetting with my friends.
I have something I want to say,but I'm not going to say it.
I want to be nice, right, andwe tell ourselves that we're
being the good girl, we're beingnice.
Well, nice and kind are twodifferent things.
Right, like I'm going to benice to my friend that has
broccoli in their teeth.
But the kind thing would be toactually say something.
(17:09):
Right, to embarrass them in themoment and risk maybe they
think I'm mean because I said it, but at least now they don't
have to go through the rest ofthe day with food in their teeth
.
Right, and we don't look at itthat way.
We don't want to embarrass them, or we don't want to rock the
boat or, you know, tell ourfriends, hey, I'm actually
interested in this.
Right, like with me for dancefitness.
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When I started that, I almostdidn't want to tell my friends
at first because I knew theywouldn't get it and they didn't
get it right.
But I had to make the decisionto give myself permission to do
something that was on my heartto do.
And that's the biggest and thescariest thing to do, because
you just don't know if thosepeople are going to judge you,
if they're going to leave you,even for something like that to
be as silly and trivial as thatsounds.
(17:53):
We don't feel that way becauseit's a part of our life, right?
And we're like oh my God, whathappens if my people leave me
because I want to live formyself?
What happens if my spousedecides that he doesn't want to
be with me anymore because Istarted to put myself first,
right?
And the reality is, when youput yourself first, you can
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actually show up greater forthose people.
You can actually be a betterfriend, you can be a better
partner to people.
The more you express yourselfand the more you know yourself
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rejection is protection.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Rejection is protection.
That person wasn't for you andI said just be you, don't feel
like you have to be somebodyelse.
I love all of those things thatyou said.
So, with that, what does itlook like to work with you?
So, let's say, somebody signsup with you or contacts you.
What are some of the thingsthat you do, at first, initially
, and then getting them on thatjourney?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah.
So first we want to ease themin slowly, because this is
something that it feels like abig, scary jump right.
And so, once they've actuallyadmitted to themselves that they
want to do this, because that'slike the first hurdle is, like
I don't even want people to knowI think I have a problem or
that I don't feel like I'm happywhere I am Right.
Once they get through that, wework on a lot of like goals and
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intention setting.
We want to make sure that we'revery intentional when we go in.
So what do you expect to getout of this program?
How can we make you successful?
So that it's something thatfeels like, it's tangible,
something that we can plan for,because know, as a coach too,
like accountability is a hugepart of it.
So how are we going to makethis something that is not going
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to be so big and terrifying toyou that you want to keep moving
forward?
But also, like, how can wedream bigger?
Like, how can we make thisdream of yours a reality?
Right, so we really start withthe framework there and then we
move into experiential play,right?
So, like now we get to start tobuild a vision and we get to
see, like, what are those thingsthat like, maybe you liked as a
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child, or those things thatyou've always wanted to try, but
maybe you've never actuallysaid out loud like to anybody,
not even not even your steeringwheel when you're by yourself in
your car, right?
Like what are those things thatfeel just a little bit wild for
you, right, and it doesn't haveto be like, you know, skydiving
.
You know, maybe it is taking adance class or maybe it's going
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and taking a pottery class byyourself?
I had a woman that wanted tojust go have dinner by herself.
She had four kids and justwanted to simply go to dinner in
a nice restaurant and read abook, and so, and for her that
was wild and big and terrifyingand scary.
But man, when she did it shewas like holy shit, that was
amazing.
I want to do that all the time,right, but then she gets like
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so much more energy for herselfand for her family after that,
and so we focus on that quite abit.
So it's a lot of how do I dothis?
What are the things I want?
Let me schedule it on mycalendar and then, guess what?
Now we're going to go do it.
So the end of the program isreally about how do we
communicate, how do I share thiswith you, how do I tell you
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that this is something that'simportant to me, so I can get
support from those around me?
And then the biggest, scariestthing on your list oh, girl,
that's what we're doing, we'regoing to go do that.
So, like for her, that was thedinner thing, like that was her
celebration, her graduation fromthe program, and like really
learning that she can do thesethings, that she can find ways
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to express herself withouthaving to give up everything
else, but also not puttingherself to the side either.
So that's the biggest focus ofthe program is just really like
asking yourself those questionsand getting clear on what you
want and making sure thateverybody else's thoughts and
opinions are off to the side.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, great process.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah,great process.
And of course, you want to easeit in.
I loved that you saidintentional.
So and this is for those whoare listening and whether or not
you want to lose weight, andit's like, okay, where do you
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begin?
Where do you start?
What steps?
What's the first step?
What does that look like?
Like that's what the coach isgoing to help you with.
You know, put it into a plan andnot just have this broad goal
and say, oh, I want to loseweight or I want to be able to I
don't know set up date myselfor I want to attract better
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people, but you have to have aplan in place.
You need some accountability aswell, and that is where a coach
comes in handy.
They're going to keep youaccountable, especially on the
days that you don't want to doit.
So they're going to be likehello, remember that goal that
you put together.
You know you got to put thatthrough.
(23:09):
So let's talk about your resumejust a little bit, cause I know
when we first spoke, I was likegirl, how the heck did you work
with Tony Robbins?
I'm like, how did that happen?
So you know, first tell us howdid that happen.
And then, what did you takefrom that experience that you
use now with your coaching, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So I'm a big believer that timing is everything and I
mentioned it earlier when theuniverse sends you a sign, you
just got to lean in and say yes,right, which is how I got into
coaching to begin with.
And so it's really actuallypretty funny how that happened,
because I had graduated from HCIand I was kind of just going it
on my own trying to figure itout with the tools that they
(23:49):
gave us, trying to market, and Ihad invested in a high ticket
business building program afterthat, with a local coach who I
learned more about marketingfrom.
So I'm in this space where I'mstarting to create more content
on Instagram and I'm building myaudience and for anybody
listening who has built anaudience, there's just a lot of
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connection building that you'redoing there, right?
So who's liking my posts a lot,who's commenting a lot and who
can I have a privateconversation with and see if
they're interested in my program, right, like, build a
friendship and go from there.
And there was somebody who hadbeen on my personal account, who
had seen all the philanthropy,the volunteer work that I've
(24:34):
done because I've done that fora long time as well saw my
entire weight loss journey, myjourney through becoming a coach
and then followed me over to mycoaching profile and it was
actually a man funny enough, andI was like, oh, he's liking all
my stuff and like he seemspretty engaged and I, you know,
I don't want to cherry pick hereso maybe he wants what I have
(24:56):
to offer.
So I started, you know, to talkto him in my DMs because
obviously I was kind of familiarwith him after years of him
being a follower and he was likewell, I'm not interested in
your services, but I do work formastermindcom and we need some
coaches.
So he was like, would you beinterested in coming and
interviewing?
And I happened to live like 15minutes away from the
(25:20):
headquarters.
So I was like, okay, like whynot?
Yeah, absolutely.
Like let me, let me come in andsee what this is all about.
And the rest is history.
You know, I went in there and Iwas just honest about, you know,
the level of experience that Ihad, because I was still kind of
a new coach.
And they were like that's fine,like we'll teach you, like this
is the knowledge industry,that's what we're all about, is
(25:40):
like growth and learning anddevelopment.
And so I signed on.
I didn't look back from thatand I did it for a couple years
and it was amazing.
I've worked with hundreds ofclients there as well Tony
Robbins and a Dean Graziosicompany as well, so a lot of it.
It was different than theempowerment and mindset coaching
.
It was all business focused,but it's helped me a lot to
(26:03):
understand the other pieces ofthe business as well and the
experience that I got there andthe brilliant human beings that
I've been surrounded by whetherit's having Trent Shelton in the
office for the day or BrendanBurchard oh my God, when he came
into the office I was totallystarstruck and I didn't even say
(26:25):
anything to him.
I still will have to.
If I ever see him again, I'llbe like hey, um, but like having
experiences like that isamazing.
But also just the incrediblyexperienced and qualified people
that work behind the scenesthere as well.
So to be able to, you know, pickour copywriter's brain or our
marketer's brain on things, orour actual marketing director
(26:47):
had a, I think, top five podcastthat she's put down, and so
when I launched my podcast, tobe able to pick her brain and
get her support on what thingswork, it's helped me to grow
immeasurably and that reallyjust speaks volumes to your
growth and your success in lifein general is all about who you
surround yourself with, and it'sabout being willing to ask
(27:11):
questions.
The better questions, thestronger.
Questions obviously will getyou where you want to go a
little bit faster, and that'ssomething I was not good at in
the beginning at all.
But being able to surroundyourself by people and just
having the humility to admitthat you don't know something
around them will definitely getyou more of the knowledge that
(27:31):
you're looking for quicker,versus you just trying to do
everything on your own, whichagain also echoes like the power
of having a coach or a mentoraround you.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's just amazing, amazing story let's talk about.
You said it's dance fitness,dance fitness.
Okay, what is that?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So the easiest format that everybody knows is Zumba.
Zumba is like a dance fitnessformat, so there's all kinds of
different ones out there, but Ithink Zumba was like one of the
first and so I liked Zumba.
I did it when I was in college,but I actually, when I lived in
Florida, I started to take onethat was called the Vixen
workout, which is still around.
(28:07):
It's called VXN now but it wasa very empowering type of
workout and it also helped mewith my affirmations, which is
really funny.
It's like just funny how thingswork out and how they align
themselves.
So at the beginning of everyclass, when you go to take a
Vixen class and it's very likeLatin hip hop, pop type of music
(28:28):
.
It's, all you know, again,based on Miami, so it's all the
Miami vibes.
You would have to look yourselfin the mirror every class at
the very beginning and everyonetogether would say making eye
contact with themselves yes, I'msexy, yes, I'm fierce, yes,
I've got this, yes, and youwould say it like three or four
times until it was like theclass had energy and it was
(28:50):
built up and it was ready to go,and when I first started that I
could not look myself in theeyes.
I could not do it.
I couldn't, it was souncomfortable, I didn't believe
what I was saying.
But I will tell you that once Istarted to allow myself to
believe the words that I wassaying, like I gave myself that
permission, it was like damn,like let me say that again,
(29:12):
cause it like feels so good.
And then the next thing, youknow, you feel that and it
really opened me up to have moreof that expression through my
body and through my movement,and also taught me that I don't
have to move like everybody elseeither.
My body doesn't have to look ormove like the instructor does,
and that actually led me downanother path to be a dance
(29:33):
fitness instructor.
So I did that for four years aswell, because I wanted to show
other people too that, like I'mnot a dancer, I have no
experience at all other thanthis, and if I can do it, you
can do it, and it was justanother part of my empowerment
journey.
But it it that I, that formatis just something that, like
(29:53):
honestly really changed my life.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, you are a dancer, because I was.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm looking at some of your videos and I'm like this
is so cool and you're likeyou're doing performances and
you have like this whole.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You have it all on your Instagram account.
I think that's so cool andyou're like you're doing
performances and you have likethis whole.
You have it all on yourInstagram account.
I think that's so cool thatyou're showing that and I love
it.
I love it Anything that has todo with dancing and, oh, it's
fitness too.
That's great.
Vanessa, where can people findyou?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, I am all over the place, so easiest place I
pretty much live on Instagram,so that's the easiest place to
reach me.
You can reach me it's coachnesson Instagram.
On YouTube, I also have mypodcast.
It's called the Rebel RisePodcast.
It very much fits the theme ofeverything that we were talking
about today.
That's on YouTube and it wouldbe coach underscore ness, so
(30:45):
very similar.
And you can also find that onSpotify as well.
But the best place to reach medirectly is going to be on
Instagram, for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, and if you go to her Instagram account, it
says you're no bullshitempowerment coach.
If that doesn't say it all,that says it all.
Vanessa, thank you so much forbeing a part of this.
Who would have known that wewould be like?
You would be on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I know right.
So thank you again for being apart of this and for those of
you who want to reach out toVanessa, we'll put all her
information and links to get ahold of her on the podcast notes
.
Vanessa, again, thank you somuch for being a part of this Of
course, Lisa.
Thanks for having me and untilnext time, everyone Bye.
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