June 5, 2024 • 31 mins
Join us as we chat with Michelle Spieler, the mastermind behind the Mature Makeup Masterclass, who shares her inspiring journey as a social media sensation. Discover how she broke industry stereotypes and became a beacon of authentic beauty.
Our conversation takes a practical turn as Michelle divulges affordable skincare secrets that won’t blow your budget. If you thought high-quality skincare was out of reach, think again. Michelle reveals the benefits of clean beauty, highlighting budget-friendly Korean skincare products that deliver impressive results. Learn how to maintain radiant, healthy skin with simple yet effective products like cleansing balms and essences, proving that great skincare doesn’t require a fortune.
We also delve into essential beauty routines that emphasize minimalism and authenticity, perfect for anyone, especially women over 40. Michelle shares her insights on creating a minimal makeup kit with must-have items like tinted moisturizers and versatile lip products. She also shares tips on sweat proof products for runners. Hear about her recent success of joining the Ulta Beauty Collective, a significant milestone where she represents mature women in the beauty industry. Whether you’re an aspiring makeup artist or simply looking to refine your beauty routine, this episode offers empowering tips and celebrates the journey of a true beauty trailblazer.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to Ella Go.
My name is Lisa.
Join me on the journey inhaving real raw and
uncomfortable discussions aboutfitness, health and everything
in between, because, let's behonest, this journey would suck
if we don't get our shittogether.
Welcome back to the Elegoopodcast.
(00:38):
Well, today's guest is MichelleSpieler.
She is the creator of MatureMakeup Masterclass and is a
25-year pro makeup artist.
But besides that, michelle is ahuge influencer on social media
.
She has over 100,000 followerson Instagram, over 350,000
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followers on TikTok and over 100subscribers on YouTube.
Michelle is a trailblazer inthe realm of beauty and
empowerment.
With a passion for makeup and acommitment for breaking
stereotypes, michelle fearlesslyembraces the narrative of
beauty beyond age.
In a digital landscape oftenfixated on youth, she stands as
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a beacon of inclusivity,advocating for and celebrating
the beauty of women over 40.
Through her authentic voice andrelatable content, she inspires
her audience to defy societalnorms and embrace their unique
beauty at every stage of life.
Welcome, michelle.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I mean, who is that girl that's so much more
impressive in words than in reallife?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Michelle, that's you girl, that is so you.
I'm just so happy to have youhere.
Let's talk a little bit aboutyour background, because how did
you get into the beauty andskincare makeup?
I know you talk a little bitabout it once in a while on your
social media, but let theaudience know a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I really need to go back and talk about it
more often because we get newfollowers all the time, right?
But I grew up in the 60s, 70s,80s with a mom who looked like I
Dream of Jeannie and she worefake lashes every day of her
life and she had big blonde hairand big boobs and she was
fabulous and so I just became aproduct junkie because she was.
(02:34):
And then my best friend workedat Nordstrom in the 90s in
college and got free stuff andgave me free stuff and I was
like I want free stuff.
So when I got out of college Icould not get hired as an
illustrator.
I went to school and got abachelor of fine arts and
illustration and so Nordstromwas hiring.
I needed health benefits and soit kind of all started there
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makeup and retail and then Istarted, you know, graduating to
better brands.
I worked with Mac, I did sometraining with Mac and then in
2003, I fell into television andcommercial in LA because I'm
from, I'm a Los Angeles native,and so from 2003, that was my
new life I was a makeup artistfor television and commercial.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and I didn't know that because you mentioned
that you were makeup.
I just thought, okay, thiswoman is just on TikTok and
she's blowing it up.
But then, when you mentioned ohwait, a minute, I am a makeup
artist, so let's talk aboutTikTok, because that's how I
found you and, of course, beingan older mom, I resonate so much
with you and you, I mean,you're so relatable, so down to
(03:44):
earth.
Of course that's why you'reblowing up.
But how did that all happen?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, you know what, lisa, I think we both know that
having kids a little later inlife keeps us on the young side,
right.
So, where a lot of my friendsmy age have kids who are adults
and in college, I've got thisyoung Gen Z right who you know,
everything's like you know, andso she got me on Musically
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really early before it wasTikTok and we would sit and
watch things and laugh and laughand then, of course, quarantine
hit and we were stuck home alltogether as families, right, we
were all sheltered and we tookto TikTok and we just it became
our television.
We'd watch it like eight hoursa day and we would laugh and I
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said you know what?
I'm not making money as amakeup artist, so I'm just going
to have fun and start educatingwomen.
Back then I was clean beauty, Ionly discussed clean beauty, but
I felt like that was tooexclusive and my heart was for
women over 40.
So I changed to mature makeupmasterclass at the end of 2021.
And it just I was the only oneover 50 on TikTok doing it.
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Nobody over 50 was on TikTokdiscussing mature technique A
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You say you said musically, because that's
exactly how I got it to say yeah, my daughter, they keep us
young, they really do.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I know, okay, so a lot of the things that you talk
about.
I know I say that you're veryrelatable, but there was one
time that you did a video about,you know, not having to break
the bank when it comes to makeup, because I think that's what a
lot of women think that oh myGod, I can't afford all of that.
And especially for, you know,myself and single moms, you know
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, who don't have a lot of fundsand they want to still take care
of their skin, how can someonelike myself and other women who
maybe not even being a singlemom, but just not having all the
funds, how can they still takecare of their skin, still look
beautiful without breaking thebank?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
So I fell in love with skincareat a young age.
I was using oil of Olay in myteens.
That was in the glass bottleevery day.
I was religious with SPF everyday, starting in 1990.
Day, I was religious with SPFevery day, starting in 1990.
And, um, when I got into retailI was exposed to very bougie,
expensive skincare and, ofcourse, that that was always my
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first love, even more thanmakeup.
But then hard times hit and Ileft a Hollywood career to raise
my daughter and, um, it wasrough and you have to sacrifice,
but you still are aging and youwant to kind of combat that.
So for I would say, before 2022, there was a 10, 11 year period
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where I had to rely on freesamples.
I had to rely on my sisterworking at a department store
and getting stuff from her, likemoney was tight.
So we've never lived in abetter time, right, there's
never been more product, moreproduct knowledge, um.
So what I did about a week agois I did a whole YouTube look,
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it's all still in the box onaffordable Korean skincare and
let me tell you it's pretty muchcheaper than a lot of US
skincare and it's so juicy andso hydrating and you can get
your more treatment productshere in the US.
But for really juicy, hydratingskincare and great, great
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cleansers, you can get greatproducts for under $10, $20.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Wow, okay, so this is on your YouTube channel.
We're going to give everyonethe link so that they can check
that out.
So I was going to ask youwhat's the best skincare, makeup
products that are affordable.
Are we to say that it's in thatbox that you're holding right
now?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It really is.
I mean, we're talking about,you know, juicy essence that you
know it's liquid and it wouldgo after a cleanser, before a
moisturizer.
This is maybe $17 and you'regoing to have it probably at
least six months at least.
And I'll tell you though um, Idon't think it's in here, but
elf beauty, here it is.
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Elf beauty makes a cleansingbomb.
Now, this is their travel size,but their cleansing bomb comes
in a big jar for maybe $10, $11.
And again, you'll probably havethat like six months and it's
like $10, $11.
But it's cleansing.
Skin is the best way to havegood skin and you want to take
your makeup off with a balm oran oil, Even if you have oily
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skin, it won't make you moreoily.
And then you want to go in withsome kind of like really nice
and expensive Korean foamingcleanser to splash all that away
.
So it's a double cleanse, butyou'll have it like six months
and you can get both pieces forprobably under $20, $22.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, that's see, that's affordable.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, and my.
My most popular YouTubes aredrugstore items and I'm not tone
deaf.
I'm really listening to myaudience and that's why I think
my subscribers are growing.
On YouTube, especially, we'rebecoming a really tight
community.
We call ourselves the look good, close up club, because I don't
teach social media makeup.
I want you to look and feelbeautiful close up with your
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family and friends, and my topvideos are like here's a whole
face of elf makeup you know, andwet and wild LA girls you know,
I mean there's.
there's such great products inthe drugstore.
It gets me excited If I canlook like a Chanel ad, but using
all Milani.
(09:22):
Come on, no brainer.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, and I love that you do that.
Like you, I mean we would seeyou and you're like, okay, do
you know what products I use?
And I'm like no way, no,freaking way.
And then when you say, when,wow, I mean that's back in the
day.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, and here's the most important part, lisa Again,
not just social media makeup.
It doesn't just look good as Ido it.
I'm talking.
Eight, nine, 10 hours later,when I go to take it off, I'm in
the mirror and I'm like I don'teven know if I want to take
this off.
This looks good still.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I love that.
I love that.
Okay, so the next question Ihad was what is the one skincare
item that a woman should neverskimp on?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Cleanser.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I know so many women and listen, I haven't been a
single mom.
I can't even relate to how hardthat must be.
But when you are tired at theend of the day and you've poured
into everyone but yourself, youhave to take that day off.
Even if it's no makeup, even ifit's just SPF, even if you wore
no SPF and no makeup, even ifit's just SPF, even if it's you
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wore no SPF and no makeup, atleast put some kind of like
foaming cleanser on.
There's nothing better for theskin than cleansing it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Wow, Okay, so is there?
I mean, you know there's somany different types of
cleansers and obviously it'sbased on your skin, but at the
end of the day, just like yousaid, you're tired and that's
the last thing you want to do.
I mean, would you say that evenusing one of those like those
wipes are okay, Like what areyour thoughts are on that?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I personally don't like wipes, but I do keep them
in case I make a mistake orbecause I shoot so much content
I might have to take a face offand then reapply for another
brand.
But I do have friends that keepwipes right on the nightstand
so when they get into bed andthey're like you know, at least
they can take the day off.
But I think that there'snothing better than cleansing
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the face and splashing it off,and it literally can take one
minute.
Yeah, yeah, and it changes thegame for your skin.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And it feels good.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So good, and you did one good thing for yourself at
the end of the day before youhop into bed, you know.
Think of it as self-love,self-care.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh, michelle, you just dropped, dropped Mike right
there.
I love that, okay, Okay, allright.
So let's talk a little bitabout makeup.
What are essential makeupproducts?
Or like what's the bare minimum?
You know, I think that even forme, I'm like should I do
foundation, or is it foundation,blush and mascara?
Like what is the bare minimumthat's essential?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, so for your eyebrows are gorgeous, by the
way, but for a lot of us, as weget older, we do need an eyebrow
.
So I threw it.
I threw a eyebrow pencil in realquick.
Um, I did a mandelic peel lastnight, so that's why I'm doing a
podcast with no makeup on.
But here's what I think theminimum women need.
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I think women need a reallynice, like tinted moisturizer
right Now.
This is even if it has SPF init.
I still want y'all wearing anSPF, I don't care who makes it.
I want everyone wearing an SPFevery single day.
But the minimum you need is atinted moisturizer just to even
out your skin.
Okay, and then, if you needsomething pretty under the eye,
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you could do a little colorcorrector.
These are by Catrice.
They're $4 each.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
This one is under my eyes, so it's making my eye
really light and bright.
But if you're deeper skin likeyou, lisa, you could do the
peachy one which, by the way, Ihave all around my nose because
I'm so red from my peel and thepeach counteracts red.
So now you're only like, let'ssay, you're only into two
products, and then brows andmascara, and then find some kind
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of lip product or lip balm thatcan also be your blush, and
then boom, you just banged outblush and lips with one product.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Let me ask you a question because I'm finding, as
I get older, the less makeup Iwear.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, what's up with that?
Yeah, well, one we're moreconfident.
Right, we're just moreconfident, but I think because
the less layers we have on ourmaturing texture and fine lines
and all of the above, I think itjust looks more youthful.
I really preach that skin firstthan makeup and if you really
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work hard on your skin, you'llneed less makeup.
You'll want to wear less makeupbecause you'll want to show off
your hard work, and it reallydoes benefit us to wear sheer,
thinner layers because it letsour skin look like skin.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, I love that.
Now you said you just said thatyou hardly have any makeup on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I have no makeup on.
So here's what I have on.
I have on a tinted SPF.
It's barely tinted, though.
Watch this, it's like beige.
So what it does is it kind ofmakes your skin look better than
it is, because it floods outyour flaws.
So that's.
I have that all over my face, Ihave Lashify on and I can wear
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them for about three, four orfive nights.
And then I have the Catriceunder my eye.
It's the pink, and the peach isall around the nose where I'm
red, and then I have on just abrow pencil.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Unbelievable, and I think that is why there's so
many people that go to youbecause it's you.
Yeah, you know.
When you wake up and yourhusband wakes up and sees you,
he goes to you because it's you.
Yeah, you know, when you wakeup and your husband wakes up and
sees you, he goes.
Okay, that's her, you know.
It's not like who is this?
When that person takes off allthat makeup because I think that
we see so much on social mediawe think that that is what we
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need to do.
Some of us I mean I know mydaughter thinks that and she
thinks I need to put more makeupI'm like, honey, no, it's going
to look horrible.
I mean, you maybe is good, butnot for me.
So I love that you preach aboutthat.
You show skin and you'retalking about products that are
not just they're going to nothide us, it's going to amplify
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us.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes, I also do a lot of videos and stories where I'm
not wearing a stitch of makeup,like even less than this,
because I want women to see likethis is real life y'all.
This is it.
This is the dark circles, thisis the sun damage, because I
think it makes other women go.
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Oh okay, I'm doing okay in lifebecause that's how she looks.
So I'm doing okay in life.
So I do a lot and I'll behonest, those videos where I'm
not wearing a stitch of makeupthey don't do as well, but they
attract my real tribe and that'swomen who want authenticity.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, I love that.
Okay, let's switch gears here.
What do you do to agegracefully?
And are there any rules and Ithink we kind of talked about
that a little bit when it comesto, you know, for mature women,
when it comes to makeup?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, okay.
So first and foremost, Ithought I wanted to age
gracefully until I got into myfifties, and then I'm like hell,
no, I'm not going down withouta fight.
So a year and a half ago, abouta year ago, I got a lower
facelift, and so what they do isthey just pull up this, they
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pull up your muscles, they pullexcess skin and then the neck,
but it's.
I went to a super conservativeguy, so even my neck is maybe a
little looser than a lot ofpeople would want and maybe my
jawline's not as snatched, but Ineeded to still look like me.
So at least I got rid of someof this sag.
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But the rest of it is all me.
I didn't have a brow lift.
These are my cheeks.
People always say I have fillerin my cheek.
I'm like this is what I wasborn with.
Sorry to disappoint y'all.
So I do believe in surgery forsag if someone can afford it.
I realize a lot of women can't,and so that's why SPF is the
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most important thing.
I do see women who are 60 whohave never had surgery, but they
didn't grow up in the sun likeI did in Southern California.
So sun damage plays a big, bigfactor in how we age, but it's
never too late.
I've seen women reverse theirskin and within a year, like
reverse it and look beautiful.
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Um, and it starts with good SPFevery day and then, I think,
just having really like juicy,hydrating skin.
If you feel glowy like, if youfeel like your skin looks pretty
, then you're just going to havemore confidence every day.
And as far as makeup, like wediscussed, I think less is more.
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I think if you are goingsomewhere special for the
evening and it's dim lighting,yeah you can wear maybe a full
coverage, everything and thelashes and all.
You can go real heavy becauseit's at night, so the lighting's
dim, but during the day we wantto look beautiful, close up to
our family and friends.
We don't want cakey makeup onour face.
We don't want makeup settlinginto our fine lines.
(18:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, michelle, I remember when you did the
surgery.
I remember it and I'm like, wow, this woman is really talking
about this and you were sohonest at each phase of healing,
like each recovery phase andwhat that looked like.
And you know, I did read someof the comments.
Some of them were not nice, butyou are so like, so authentic
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and being just transparent andbeing like you know why and you
know, when I think about aging,gracefully, I think that just
means that you can do whateverthe hell you want to do.
You know and I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That's so true, Because everyone women are
always like pro-choice,pro-choice.
Really, You're pro-choice, butyou're not pro-choice if someone
chooses surgery for themselves.
A lot of hypocrisy on socialmedia A hundred percent and you
know what?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I agree with you so much.
I just turned 50 this year andI remember saying to myself I
would never oh my God, no, I'mgoing to not do it.
And then I turned 50 and I'mlike, hey, I'm having me a good
interest in doing something likethat.
Like, honestly, the minute youhit it, it's like something just
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turned on and your skin is notthe same, your body's not the
same.
But I'm open to it.
And I got to say I'm reallyhappy where I am when I think
about where we are in societyand the technology we are in
such a great place becausethere's so many things that are
out there that are not tooevasive.
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If you wanted to go there, youcan, and it's kind of like
taking these little steps, but Ireally believe that you can do
whatever the F you want to doand who cares?
And I think that you know whenyou talked about that, I really
put you on another level.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh, thank you, it was important.
First of all, I'm veryforgetful, right?
So when you tell lies, you haveto remember what you've been
saying.
I don't have the memory for that, so I have to live 100% open
and honest so that I don't haveto go oh wait, did I hide this
fat?
And I personally know some big,mature influencers right now
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who have had surgery and they'renot disclosing it and they make
it sound like, oh well, I'mgetting this injection or I'm
getting this.
And they make it sound like, ohwell, I'm getting this
injection, or I'm getting thisor I'm doing this skin care and
I'm like that is so unfair.
That is so unfair.
But they saw what I wentthrough and they saw how ugly
women can be and the jealousyand the judging and I think that
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they just didn't want to gothrough that.
So they're hiding the fact thatthey had a facelift.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I love that you said that and again, your
transparency is why you have somany followers.
Okay, so what's the one thingmature women are doing with
their makeup that actually isaging them?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I don't know how to say this, so I'm just going to
cut to the chase.
Stop following younginfluencers, because you're
doing their tips and tricks andyou all are looking like drag
Queens, which I love.
A drag queen, listen, I'm a bigdrag fan.
I've done drag makeup not onmyself, on others, but it's not
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flattering on mature women andwe can't do the big concealer
and the baking, and I think alot of mature women know that
now.
I think social media is doingsuch a great job at educating,
but we really do need lessconcealer, less foundation or
just place it very, verystrategically.
But again, skin first thenmakeup.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, you're right about that.
I mean I love seeing them dotheir transformation, but I say
that's not going to look goodand you know it's nice, but not
for me.
So I love that you said that.
Okay, let's again switch gears.
Okay, Of course, there's a lotof listeners here that are
active and they're trying to be,you know, live their best life
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ever, and I know that, even assomeone who runs, I used to like
not wear makeup, but there'stimes where I'm like I kind of
want to look good becausethere's gonna be pictures and I
want to take pictures of myselfin this race.
So what is your advice inregards to that?
Like, what is a product thatyou would recommend to women who
want to look good while they'rerunning or being active?
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But that is sweat proof.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, I think that's great.
I would.
I was a runner all through mythirties and I'm going to tell
you I miss it.
I miss the runners high, but myknees are no bueno, so I cannot
do it.
So I really am jealous of ally'all that can still run.
I really am.
Um, if I were going to do,let's say, a 5k today and they
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were going to photograph me orinterview me at the end, here's
the minimum I would do.
I would have my lashify on orthere's really affordable brands
in the drugstore false scarab,um, and you put them underneath.
So it's so great because whensomeone looks at your eye it's
like, oh, she doesn't have.
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They can see my lashes growingout of my eyelid, but the
Lashify or Lilac Street orFalscara goes underneath and I
would definitely wear them in arace.
But I would wear a waterproofeyeliner.
My favorite one is by Stila.
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You can get it at Ulta.
It is 24 hour waterproof.
It's a felt tip pin.
Even if you don't know how todo a wing, screw the wing, just
line your upper eyes and it'sgoing to pop that lash line.
Even if you can't wear mascara,if you don't want to do a fake
lash, you could do tubingmascara, because tubing mascara
only is removed with warm water.
And let me tell you, tubingmascara does not come off, it
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doesn't flake, it doesn'tcrumble, it doesn't smear,
because it's tubing mascara.
It only comes off with warmwater removal.
I would totally.
I would wear that in a race andthen you don't need blush,
right, cause you're going to getthat gorgeous flush.
Um, I would definitely have myeyebrows on, okay, and I find
most brow products stay onduring sweat but there's a
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product called wonder brow.
My sister wore it to Hawaii oneyear and she wore her brows.
She didn't have to touch themup for a whole week of ocean and
pool.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, so those are the bare minimums that I would
do to look cute if I was workingout.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I love that, and you just taught me a couple of
things.
Okay, so let me ask you onething.
I've always been dying to askyou this your daughter like,
what does she think about youand how you're blowing it up on
social media, youtube and allthat.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
She's so not impressed.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I was afraid you were going to say that, wow, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Listen, lisa, once in a while, if Summer Friday sends
me a lip balm that's trendingin the Gen Z generation, then
suddenly I'm Santa Claus.
But other than that, she she'snot a big makeup wearer.
She likes that whole glossierlook like a little bit of found,
like a little bit of mascara.
She'll do some little fauxfreckles, maybe a tinted lip
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balm.
That's about it.
I mean, she's real minimalistic, she's.
They're beautiful, they'reyoung right.
She's only 16.
She's about to turn 17.
But yeah, she's not.
I mean, once in a while, whenher friends are like your mom
has a really big TikTok, she'slike, oh yeah, I guess she does.
I guess my mom is kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But yeah, okay, all right, I don't feel alone with
that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It's Gen Z.
They're so unimpressed.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I know.
I know.
I also wanted to ask you this,Michelle when you think back
where you are now, would youhave ever guessed that you'd be
where you are right now?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Absolutely not in 100 million years.
Because, listen, I was the girlbehind the camera.
I didn't go into modeling oracting because I like to be
behind the scenes.
I like to make other peoplelook beautiful.
I love to.
I'm all about likeencouragement and words of
affirmation.
So anyone who's in my chair, Ijust kind of like shower them
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with authentic compliments, notfake, but like I build them up.
So the hour that they're in mychair they feel good internally
and then they look goodexternally and they leave my
chair with their heads held alittle bit higher.
So I never thought I would bethe girl on camera.
But thank God for my Hollywoodeducation because I learned how
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to make people look good on highdef and that translated to my
own life high def.
And that translated to my ownlife.
Because if you wear cakeymakeup on high def you will be
fired.
These people have.
I mean high def shows littlehairs, it shows acne scars, it's
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so unforgiving, it showseverything that the naked eye
can't even see, and so thatworked for me to build a social
media following for mature women.
Wow, yeah, it's shocking to meLike TikTok literally changed my
life.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I believe it.
So what's new for you?
What's coming up?
What are exciting things thatare coming up for you, Michelle?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So I was just accepted to be in this year's
Ulta Beauty Collective and whenmy agency told me I literally
projectile tears like came out.
I'm so used to being so ignored.
I've never been on a brand trip.
I've never been invited to abrand party, except Path Magic,
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but that's because they thoughtI still lived in LA.
Yeah, yeah, I've been doingthis what?
Three, four, four years andI've never been invited anywhere
.
And Ulta Beauty Collective Idon't know how many of us they
have, but they, yeah they.
They chose me to be one oftheir spokespersons for the
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mature community for this year,2024, 2025.
And I'm so honored and I cannotwait to represent mature women
everywhere.
And Ulta is my, that's my go-to.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I like.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Sephora Okay, it's fine, they have some great
things.
But Ulta because of the hairdepartment, because of the
affordable drugstore, theaffordable makeup you can get
Korean beauty and skincare atUlta.
I love Ulta so much, so this islike I'm in shock, Like I
applied, but I was like I'm notgoing to make it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Wow, you know, michelle, I'm so happy for you
Like.
I'm so genuinely happy for youbecause I feel like you know I'm
shocked that, first of all, Ifeel like you know I'm shocked
that first of all, you were good.
You told me that you haven'tbeen.
I thought this woman is goingall over the world.
She's probably been invited toall these places and that's kind
of shocking, um, but I amgenuinely so excited and proud
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of you that you are representingus.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You really are.
I just love that You're thefirst person outside of my
husband and daughter that knowLisa.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, after this, everyone's going to know yes, no
, this is amazing, michelle, youare just an amazing woman and,
again, thank you so much forsaying yes to this and I think
anyone who's listening to hermuch for saying yes to this, and
I think anyone who's listeningto her, please follow her.
This is the most genuine,relatable woman that you will
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see on social media and in aworld that we don't see a lot of
authenticity on social media,here she is and she truly is the
beacon of empowerment and womenempowerment.
So, michelle, thank you so muchfor being a part of this and
women empowerment.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So, michelle, thank you so much for being a part of
this.
Oh, thanks, lisa, I love youand I just have such a heart for
women.
I am the biggest cheerleaderfor women and that means a lot.
Your words mean a lot.
I'm so thankful.
I love podcasts too.
Like it's my favorite thing.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh, I well listen, I'm just happy that you're on
here.
We finally got to me.
I've been following you since2020.
And since you've been blowingit up and again everybody, I'm
going to put all her links onthe episode notes.
She's got an amazing YouTube.
I mean, talk about giving you atutorial of everything you ever
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need.
I think I went there when yougave me the tutorial for the
wing the eye wing there.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That looks.
Good girl, that looks good.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
But no, not just that , just TikTok and everywhere
else.
And it's not just tutorials.
She's talking about real life,she's talking about real skin,
she's talking about real women.
So check her out.
And again, michelle, thank you,gotta do my Gen Z Check her out
.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And again, michelle, thank you, gotta do my Gen Z.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
All right, everyone, and thank you for listening and
until next time.
Bye, bye.
Welcome to Ella Go.
My name is Lisa.
Join me on the journey inhaving real raw and
uncomfortable discussions aboutfitness, health and everything
in between, because, let's behonest, this journey would suck
if we don't get our shittogether.
Welcome back to the Elegoopodcast.
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Well, today's guest is MichelleSpieler.
She is the creator of MatureMakeup Masterclass and is a
25-year pro makeup artist.
But besides that, michelle is ahuge influencer on social media
.
She has over 100,000 followerson Instagram, over 350,000
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followers on TikTok and over 100subscribers on YouTube.
Michelle is a trailblazer inthe realm of beauty and
empowerment.
With a passion for makeup and acommitment for breaking
stereotypes, michelle fearlesslyembraces the narrative of
beauty beyond age.
In a digital landscape oftenfixated on youth, she stands as
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a beacon of inclusivity,advocating for and celebrating
the beauty of women over 40.
Through her authentic voice andrelatable content, she inspires
her audience to defy societalnorms and embrace their unique
beauty at every stage of life.
Welcome, michelle.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I mean, who is that girl that's so much more
impressive in words than in reallife?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Michelle, that's you girl, that is so you.
I'm just so happy to have youhere.
Let's talk a little bit aboutyour background, because how did
you get into the beauty andskincare makeup?
I know you talk a little bitabout it once in a while on your
social media, but let theaudience know a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I really need to go back and talk about it
more often because we get newfollowers all the time, right?
But I grew up in the 60s, 70s,80s with a mom who looked like I
Dream of Jeannie and she worefake lashes every day of her
life and she had big blonde hairand big boobs and she was
fabulous and so I just became aproduct junkie because she was.
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And then my best friend workedat Nordstrom in the 90s in
college and got free stuff andgave me free stuff and I was
like I want free stuff.
So when I got out of college Icould not get hired as an
illustrator.
I went to school and got abachelor of fine arts and
illustration and so Nordstromwas hiring.
I needed health benefits and soit kind of all started there
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makeup and retail and then Istarted, you know, graduating to
better brands.
I worked with Mac, I did sometraining with Mac and then in
2003, I fell into television andcommercial in LA because I'm
from, I'm a Los Angeles native,and so from 2003, that was my
new life I was a makeup artistfor television and commercial.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, and I didn't know that because you mentioned
that you were makeup.
I just thought, okay, thiswoman is just on TikTok and
she's blowing it up.
But then, when you mentioned ohwait, a minute, I am a makeup
artist, so let's talk aboutTikTok, because that's how I
found you and, of course, beingan older mom, I resonate so much
with you and you, I mean,you're so relatable, so down to
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earth.
Of course that's why you'reblowing up.
But how did that all happen?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, you know what, lisa, I think we both know that
having kids a little later inlife keeps us on the young side,
right.
So, where a lot of my friendsmy age have kids who are adults
and in college, I've got thisyoung Gen Z right who you know,
everything's like you know, andso she got me on Musically
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really early before it wasTikTok and we would sit and
watch things and laugh and laughand then, of course, quarantine
hit and we were stuck home alltogether as families, right, we
were all sheltered and we tookto TikTok and we just it became
our television.
We'd watch it like eight hoursa day and we would laugh and I
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said you know what?
I'm not making money as amakeup artist, so I'm just going
to have fun and start educatingwomen.
Back then I was clean beauty, Ionly discussed clean beauty, but
I felt like that was tooexclusive and my heart was for
women over 40.
So I changed to mature makeupmasterclass at the end of 2021.
And it just I was the only oneover 50 on TikTok doing it.
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Nobody over 50 was on TikTokdiscussing mature technique A
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You say you said musically, because that's
exactly how I got it to say yeah, my daughter, they keep us
young, they really do.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I know, okay, so a lot of the things that you talk
about.
I know I say that you're veryrelatable, but there was one
time that you did a video about,you know, not having to break
the bank when it comes to makeup, because I think that's what a
lot of women think that oh myGod, I can't afford all of that.
And especially for, you know,myself and single moms, you know
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, who don't have a lot of fundsand they want to still take care
of their skin, how can someonelike myself and other women who
maybe not even being a singlemom, but just not having all the
funds, how can they still takecare of their skin, still look
beautiful without breaking thebank?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah.
So I fell in love with skincareat a young age.
I was using oil of Olay in myteens.
That was in the glass bottleevery day.
I was religious with SPF everyday, starting in 1990.
Day, I was religious with SPFevery day, starting in 1990.
And, um, when I got into retailI was exposed to very bougie,
expensive skincare and, ofcourse, that that was always my
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first love, even more thanmakeup.
But then hard times hit and Ileft a Hollywood career to raise
my daughter and, um, it wasrough and you have to sacrifice,
but you still are aging and youwant to kind of combat that.
So for I would say, before 2022, there was a 10, 11 year period
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where I had to rely on freesamples.
I had to rely on my sisterworking at a department store
and getting stuff from her, likemoney was tight.
So we've never lived in abetter time, right, there's
never been more product, moreproduct knowledge, um.
So what I did about a week agois I did a whole YouTube look,
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it's all still in the box onaffordable Korean skincare and
let me tell you it's pretty muchcheaper than a lot of US
skincare and it's so juicy andso hydrating and you can get
your more treatment productshere in the US.
But for really juicy, hydratingskincare and great, great
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cleansers, you can get greatproducts for under $10, $20.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Wow, okay, so this is on your YouTube channel.
We're going to give everyonethe link so that they can check
that out.
So I was going to ask youwhat's the best skincare, makeup
products that are affordable.
Are we to say that it's in thatbox that you're holding right
now?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
It really is.
I mean, we're talking about,you know, juicy essence that you
know it's liquid and it wouldgo after a cleanser, before a
moisturizer.
This is maybe $17 and you'regoing to have it probably at
least six months at least.
And I'll tell you though um, Idon't think it's in here, but
elf beauty, here it is.
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Elf beauty makes a cleansingbomb.
Now, this is their travel size,but their cleansing bomb comes
in a big jar for maybe $10, $11.
And again, you'll probably havethat like six months and it's
like $10, $11.
But it's cleansing.
Skin is the best way to havegood skin and you want to take
your makeup off with a balm oran oil, Even if you have oily
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skin, it won't make you moreoily.
And then you want to go in withsome kind of like really nice
and expensive Korean foamingcleanser to splash all that away
.
So it's a double cleanse, butyou'll have it like six months
and you can get both pieces forprobably under $20, $22.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, that's see, that's affordable.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, and my.
My most popular YouTubes aredrugstore items and I'm not tone
deaf.
I'm really listening to myaudience and that's why I think
my subscribers are growing.
On YouTube, especially, we'rebecoming a really tight
community.
We call ourselves the look good, close up club, because I don't
teach social media makeup.
I want you to look and feelbeautiful close up with your
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family and friends, and my topvideos are like here's a whole
face of elf makeup you know, andwet and wild LA girls you know,
I mean there's.
there's such great products inthe drugstore.
It gets me excited If I canlook like a Chanel ad, but using
all Milani.
(09:22):
Come on, no brainer.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, and I love that you do that.
Like you, I mean we would seeyou and you're like, okay, do
you know what products I use?
And I'm like no way, no,freaking way.
And then when you say, when,wow, I mean that's back in the
day.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, and here's the most important part, lisa Again,
not just social media makeup.
It doesn't just look good as Ido it.
I'm talking.
Eight, nine, 10 hours later,when I go to take it off, I'm in
the mirror and I'm like I don'teven know if I want to take
this off.
This looks good still.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I love that.
I love that.
Okay, so the next question Ihad was what is the one skincare
item that a woman should neverskimp on?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Cleanser.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I know so many women and listen, I haven't been a
single mom.
I can't even relate to how hardthat must be.
But when you are tired at theend of the day and you've poured
into everyone but yourself, youhave to take that day off.
Even if it's no makeup, even ifit's just SPF, even if you wore
no SPF and no makeup, even ifit's just SPF, even if it's you
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wore no SPF and no makeup, atleast put some kind of like
foaming cleanser on.
There's nothing better for theskin than cleansing it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Wow, Okay, so is there?
I mean, you know there's somany different types of
cleansers and obviously it'sbased on your skin, but at the
end of the day, just like yousaid, you're tired and that's
the last thing you want to do.
I mean, would you say that evenusing one of those like those
wipes are okay, Like what areyour thoughts are on that?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I personally don't like wipes, but I do keep them
in case I make a mistake orbecause I shoot so much content
I might have to take a face offand then reapply for another
brand.
But I do have friends that keepwipes right on the nightstand
so when they get into bed andthey're like you know, at least
they can take the day off.
But I think that there'snothing better than cleansing
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the face and splashing it off,and it literally can take one
minute.
Yeah, yeah, and it changes thegame for your skin.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And it feels good.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So good, and you did one good thing for yourself at
the end of the day before youhop into bed, you know.
Think of it as self-love,self-care.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Oh, michelle, you just dropped, dropped Mike right
there.
I love that, okay, Okay, allright.
So let's talk a little bitabout makeup.
What are essential makeupproducts?
Or like what's the bare minimum?
You know, I think that even forme, I'm like should I do
foundation, or is it foundation,blush and mascara?
Like what is the bare minimumthat's essential?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, so for your eyebrows are gorgeous, by the
way, but for a lot of us, as weget older, we do need an eyebrow
.
So I threw it.
I threw a eyebrow pencil in realquick.
Um, I did a mandelic peel lastnight, so that's why I'm doing a
podcast with no makeup on.
But here's what I think theminimum women need.
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I think women need a reallynice, like tinted moisturizer
right Now.
This is even if it has SPF init.
I still want y'all wearing anSPF, I don't care who makes it.
I want everyone wearing an SPFevery single day.
But the minimum you need is atinted moisturizer just to even
out your skin.
Okay, and then, if you needsomething pretty under the eye,
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you could do a little colorcorrector.
These are by Catrice.
They're $4 each.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
This one is under my eyes, so it's making my eye
really light and bright.
But if you're deeper skin likeyou, lisa, you could do the
peachy one which, by the way, Ihave all around my nose because
I'm so red from my peel and thepeach counteracts red.
So now you're only like, let'ssay, you're only into two
products, and then brows andmascara, and then find some kind
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of lip product or lip balm thatcan also be your blush, and
then boom, you just banged outblush and lips with one product.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Let me ask you a question because I'm finding, as
I get older, the less makeup Iwear.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, what's up with that?
Yeah, well, one we're moreconfident.
Right, we're just moreconfident, but I think because
the less layers we have on ourmaturing texture and fine lines
and all of the above, I think itjust looks more youthful.
I really preach that skin firstthan makeup and if you really
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work hard on your skin, you'llneed less makeup.
You'll want to wear less makeupbecause you'll want to show off
your hard work, and it reallydoes benefit us to wear sheer,
thinner layers because it letsour skin look like skin.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, I love that.
Now you said you just said thatyou hardly have any makeup on.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I have no makeup on.
So here's what I have on.
I have on a tinted SPF.
It's barely tinted, though.
Watch this, it's like beige.
So what it does is it kind ofmakes your skin look better than
it is, because it floods outyour flaws.
So that's.
I have that all over my face, Ihave Lashify on and I can wear
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them for about three, four orfive nights.
And then I have the Catriceunder my eye.
It's the pink, and the peach isall around the nose where I'm
red, and then I have on just abrow pencil.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Unbelievable, and I think that is why there's so
many people that go to youbecause it's you.
Yeah, you know.
When you wake up and yourhusband wakes up and sees you,
he goes to you because it's you.
Yeah, you know, when you wakeup and your husband wakes up and
sees you, he goes.
Okay, that's her, you know.
It's not like who is this?
When that person takes off allthat makeup because I think that
we see so much on social mediawe think that that is what we
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need to do.
Some of us I mean I know mydaughter thinks that and she
thinks I need to put more makeupI'm like, honey, no, it's going
to look horrible.
I mean, you maybe is good, butnot for me.
So I love that you preach aboutthat.
You show skin and you'retalking about products that are
not just they're going to nothide us, it's going to amplify
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us.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes, I also do a lot of videos and stories where I'm
not wearing a stitch of makeup,like even less than this,
because I want women to see likethis is real life y'all.
This is it.
This is the dark circles, thisis the sun damage, because I
think it makes other women go.
(15:57):
Oh okay, I'm doing okay in lifebecause that's how she looks.
So I'm doing okay in life.
So I do a lot and I'll behonest, those videos where I'm
not wearing a stitch of makeupthey don't do as well, but they
attract my real tribe and that'swomen who want authenticity.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, I love that.
Okay, let's switch gears here.
What do you do to agegracefully?
And are there any rules and Ithink we kind of talked about
that a little bit when it comesto, you know, for mature women,
when it comes to makeup?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, okay.
So first and foremost, Ithought I wanted to age
gracefully until I got into myfifties, and then I'm like hell,
no, I'm not going down withouta fight.
So a year and a half ago, abouta year ago, I got a lower
facelift, and so what they do isthey just pull up this, they
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pull up your muscles, they pullexcess skin and then the neck,
but it's.
I went to a super conservativeguy, so even my neck is maybe a
little looser than a lot ofpeople would want and maybe my
jawline's not as snatched, but Ineeded to still look like me.
So at least I got rid of someof this sag.
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But the rest of it is all me.
I didn't have a brow lift.
These are my cheeks.
People always say I have fillerin my cheek.
I'm like this is what I wasborn with.
Sorry to disappoint y'all.
So I do believe in surgery forsag if someone can afford it.
I realize a lot of women can't,and so that's why SPF is the
(17:37):
most important thing.
I do see women who are 60 whohave never had surgery, but they
didn't grow up in the sun likeI did in Southern California.
So sun damage plays a big, bigfactor in how we age, but it's
never too late.
I've seen women reverse theirskin and within a year, like
reverse it and look beautiful.
(17:59):
Um, and it starts with good SPFevery day and then, I think,
just having really like juicy,hydrating skin.
If you feel glowy like, if youfeel like your skin looks pretty
, then you're just going to havemore confidence every day.
And as far as makeup, like wediscussed, I think less is more.
(18:19):
I think if you are goingsomewhere special for the
evening and it's dim lighting,yeah you can wear maybe a full
coverage, everything and thelashes and all.
You can go real heavy becauseit's at night, so the lighting's
dim, but during the day we wantto look beautiful, close up to
our family and friends.
We don't want cakey makeup onour face.
We don't want makeup settlinginto our fine lines.
(18:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, michelle, I remember when you did the
surgery.
I remember it and I'm like, wow, this woman is really talking
about this and you were sohonest at each phase of healing,
like each recovery phase andwhat that looked like.
And you know, I did read someof the comments.
Some of them were not nice, butyou are so like, so authentic
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and being just transparent andbeing like you know why and you
know, when I think about aging,gracefully, I think that just
means that you can do whateverthe hell you want to do.
You know and I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That's so true, Because everyone women are
always like pro-choice,pro-choice.
Really, You're pro-choice, butyou're not pro-choice if someone
chooses surgery for themselves.
A lot of hypocrisy on socialmedia A hundred percent and you
know what?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I agree with you so much.
I just turned 50 this year andI remember saying to myself I
would never oh my God, no, I'mgoing to not do it.
And then I turned 50 and I'mlike, hey, I'm having me a good
interest in doing something likethat.
Like, honestly, the minute youhit it, it's like something just
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turned on and your skin is notthe same, your body's not the
same.
But I'm open to it.
And I got to say I'm reallyhappy where I am when I think
about where we are in societyand the technology we are in
such a great place becausethere's so many things that are
out there that are not tooevasive.
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If you wanted to go there, youcan, and it's kind of like
taking these little steps, but Ireally believe that you can do
whatever the F you want to doand who cares?
And I think that you know whenyou talked about that, I really
put you on another level.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh, thank you, it was important.
First of all, I'm veryforgetful, right?
So when you tell lies, you haveto remember what you've been
saying.
I don't have the memory for that, so I have to live 100% open
and honest so that I don't haveto go oh wait, did I hide this
fat?
And I personally know some big,mature influencers right now
(20:57):
who have had surgery and they'renot disclosing it and they make
it sound like, oh well, I'mgetting this injection or I'm
getting this.
And they make it sound like, ohwell, I'm getting this
injection, or I'm getting thisor I'm doing this skin care and
I'm like that is so unfair.
That is so unfair.
But they saw what I wentthrough and they saw how ugly
women can be and the jealousyand the judging and I think that
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they just didn't want to gothrough that.
So they're hiding the fact thatthey had a facelift.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I love that you said that and again, your
transparency is why you have somany followers.
Okay, so what's the one thingmature women are doing with
their makeup that actually isaging them?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I don't know how to say this, so I'm just going to
cut to the chase.
Stop following younginfluencers, because you're
doing their tips and tricks andyou all are looking like drag
Queens, which I love.
A drag queen, listen, I'm a bigdrag fan.
I've done drag makeup not onmyself, on others, but it's not
(22:00):
flattering on mature women andwe can't do the big concealer
and the baking, and I think alot of mature women know that
now.
I think social media is doingsuch a great job at educating,
but we really do need lessconcealer, less foundation or
just place it very, verystrategically.
But again, skin first thenmakeup.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, you're right about that.
I mean I love seeing them dotheir transformation, but I say
that's not going to look goodand you know it's nice, but not
for me.
So I love that you said that.
Okay, let's again switch gears.
Okay, Of course, there's a lotof listeners here that are
active and they're trying to be,you know, live their best life
(22:46):
ever, and I know that, even assomeone who runs, I used to like
not wear makeup, but there'stimes where I'm like I kind of
want to look good becausethere's gonna be pictures and I
want to take pictures of myselfin this race.
So what is your advice inregards to that?
Like, what is a product thatyou would recommend to women who
want to look good while they'rerunning or being active?
(23:07):
But that is sweat proof.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, I think that's great.
I would.
I was a runner all through mythirties and I'm going to tell
you I miss it.
I miss the runners high, but myknees are no bueno, so I cannot
do it.
So I really am jealous of ally'all that can still run.
I really am.
Um, if I were going to do,let's say, a 5k today and they
(23:30):
were going to photograph me orinterview me at the end, here's
the minimum I would do.
I would have my lashify on orthere's really affordable brands
in the drugstore false scarab,um, and you put them underneath.
So it's so great because whensomeone looks at your eye it's
like, oh, she doesn't have.
(23:51):
They can see my lashes growingout of my eyelid, but the
Lashify or Lilac Street orFalscara goes underneath and I
would definitely wear them in arace.
But I would wear a waterproofeyeliner.
My favorite one is by Stila.
(24:13):
You can get it at Ulta.
It is 24 hour waterproof.
It's a felt tip pin.
Even if you don't know how todo a wing, screw the wing, just
line your upper eyes and it'sgoing to pop that lash line.
Even if you can't wear mascara,if you don't want to do a fake
lash, you could do tubingmascara, because tubing mascara
only is removed with warm water.
And let me tell you, tubingmascara does not come off, it
(24:36):
doesn't flake, it doesn'tcrumble, it doesn't smear,
because it's tubing mascara.
It only comes off with warmwater removal.
I would totally.
I would wear that in a race andthen you don't need blush,
right, cause you're going to getthat gorgeous flush.
Um, I would definitely have myeyebrows on, okay, and I find
most brow products stay onduring sweat but there's a
(24:59):
product called wonder brow.
My sister wore it to Hawaii oneyear and she wore her brows.
She didn't have to touch themup for a whole week of ocean and
pool.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, so those are the bare minimums that I would
do to look cute if I was workingout.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I love that, and you just taught me a couple of
things.
Okay, so let me ask you onething.
I've always been dying to askyou this your daughter like,
what does she think about youand how you're blowing it up on
social media, youtube and allthat.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
She's so not impressed.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I was afraid you were going to say that, wow, okay.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Listen, lisa, once in a while, if Summer Friday sends
me a lip balm that's trendingin the Gen Z generation, then
suddenly I'm Santa Claus.
But other than that, she she'snot a big makeup wearer.
She likes that whole glossierlook like a little bit of found,
like a little bit of mascara.
She'll do some little fauxfreckles, maybe a tinted lip
(25:56):
balm.
That's about it.
I mean, she's real minimalistic, she's.
They're beautiful, they'reyoung right.
She's only 16.
She's about to turn 17.
But yeah, she's not.
I mean, once in a while, whenher friends are like your mom
has a really big TikTok, she'slike, oh yeah, I guess she does.
I guess my mom is kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But yeah, okay, all right, I don't feel alone with
that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
It's Gen Z.
They're so unimpressed.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I know.
I know.
I also wanted to ask you this,Michelle when you think back
where you are now, would youhave ever guessed that you'd be
where you are right now?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Absolutely not in 100 million years.
Because, listen, I was the girlbehind the camera.
I didn't go into modeling oracting because I like to be
behind the scenes.
I like to make other peoplelook beautiful.
I love to.
I'm all about likeencouragement and words of
affirmation.
So anyone who's in my chair, Ijust kind of like shower them
(26:57):
with authentic compliments, notfake, but like I build them up.
So the hour that they're in mychair they feel good internally
and then they look goodexternally and they leave my
chair with their heads held alittle bit higher.
So I never thought I would bethe girl on camera.
But thank God for my Hollywoodeducation because I learned how
(27:19):
to make people look good on highdef and that translated to my
own life high def.
And that translated to my ownlife.
Because if you wear cakeymakeup on high def you will be
fired.
These people have.
I mean high def shows littlehairs, it shows acne scars, it's
(27:40):
so unforgiving, it showseverything that the naked eye
can't even see, and so thatworked for me to build a social
media following for mature women.
Wow, yeah, it's shocking to meLike TikTok literally changed my
life.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I believe it.
So what's new for you?
What's coming up?
What are exciting things thatare coming up for you, Michelle?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So I was just accepted to be in this year's
Ulta Beauty Collective and whenmy agency told me I literally
projectile tears like came out.
I'm so used to being so ignored.
I've never been on a brand trip.
I've never been invited to abrand party, except Path Magic,
(28:19):
but that's because they thoughtI still lived in LA.
Yeah, yeah, I've been doingthis what?
Three, four, four years andI've never been invited anywhere
.
And Ulta Beauty Collective Idon't know how many of us they
have, but they, yeah they.
They chose me to be one oftheir spokespersons for the
(28:39):
mature community for this year,2024, 2025.
And I'm so honored and I cannotwait to represent mature women
everywhere.
And Ulta is my, that's my go-to.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I like.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Sephora Okay, it's fine, they have some great
things.
But Ulta because of the hairdepartment, because of the
affordable drugstore, theaffordable makeup you can get
Korean beauty and skincare atUlta.
I love Ulta so much, so this islike I'm in shock, Like I
applied, but I was like I'm notgoing to make it.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Wow, you know, michelle, I'm so happy for you
Like.
I'm so genuinely happy for youbecause I feel like you know I'm
shocked that, first of all, Ifeel like you know I'm shocked
that first of all, you were good.
You told me that you haven'tbeen.
I thought this woman is goingall over the world.
She's probably been invited toall these places and that's kind
of shocking, um, but I amgenuinely so excited and proud
(29:40):
of you that you are representingus.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
You really are.
I just love that You're thefirst person outside of my
husband and daughter that knowLisa.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, after this, everyone's going to know yes, no
, this is amazing, michelle, youare just an amazing woman and,
again, thank you so much forsaying yes to this and I think
anyone who's listening to hermuch for saying yes to this, and
I think anyone who's listeningto her, please follow her.
This is the most genuine,relatable woman that you will
(30:10):
see on social media and in aworld that we don't see a lot of
authenticity on social media,here she is and she truly is the
beacon of empowerment and womenempowerment.
So, michelle, thank you so muchfor being a part of this and
women empowerment.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So, michelle, thank you so much for being a part of
this.
Oh, thanks, lisa, I love youand I just have such a heart for
women.
I am the biggest cheerleaderfor women and that means a lot.
Your words mean a lot.
I'm so thankful.
I love podcasts too.
Like it's my favorite thing.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh, I well listen, I'm just happy that you're on
here.
We finally got to me.
I've been following you since2020.
And since you've been blowingit up and again everybody, I'm
going to put all her links onthe episode notes.
She's got an amazing YouTube.
I mean, talk about giving you atutorial of everything you ever
(31:00):
need.
I think I went there when yougave me the tutorial for the
wing the eye wing there.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That looks.
Good girl, that looks good.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
But no, not just that , just TikTok and everywhere
else.
And it's not just tutorials.
She's talking about real life,she's talking about real skin,
she's talking about real women.
So check her out.
And again, michelle, thank you,gotta do my Gen Z Check her out
.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And again, michelle, thank you, gotta do my Gen Z.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
All right, everyone, and thank you for listening and
until next time.
Bye, bye.
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