September 26, 2025 • 53 mins
In this powerful episode of Empowered Within, I sit down with Lion Goodman—founder of the Clear Beliefs Institute, professional certified coach, teacher, healer, and subconscious pattern detective with more than 40 years of experience.
Lion shares how childhood experiences and subconscious programming shape our lives—and how we can finally clear the limiting beliefs that hold us back. We explore:
- The difference between thoughts and beliefs (and why affirmations alone don’t work)
- How subconscious beliefs are formed through trauma, repetition, and indoctrination
- Why true transformation requires multidimensional healing at the root level
- Real client stories that prove profound, permanent change is possible
- Practical steps to uncover and clear your own hidden beliefs
Lion’s Clear Beliefs Method has helped thousands break free from patterns of pain, fear, and self-sabotage to create lasting transformation. Whether you’re struggling with money blocks, childhood wounds, or feeling stuck in repeating cycles, this conversation will give you hope—and tools to reclaim your light.
👉 Tune in and discover how clearing limiting beliefs can open the door to joy, freedom, and a life aligned with your true self.
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(00:06):
Welcome to Empowered Within aSoul Clenching transformational
podcast that will set your soulon fire through candid and
inspiring conversations.
Leading experts, celebrities,healers, and I share our
journeys of how we've overcomechallenges to living an
empowered life from within.
I'm your host, Jennifer Pilates.
Welcome to another episode ofEmpowered Within.
Audio Only - All Particip (00:34):
Well, hello there and welcome to the
show.
I am so excited to have with usour guest, Lyon Goodman.
He's the founder of ClearBeliefs Institute.
He's a professional certifiedtherapeutic coach with 40 years
experience as an executivecoach, teacher, healer, and
subconscious pattern detective.
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He's the creator of the ClearBeliefs Method for deleting,
limiting beliefs, healingchildhood wounds, and resolving
traumas from the past.
He's dedicated to awakening,healing, and enlightening
humanity so that we can get onwith a job of being fully human,
working in collaboration tocreate a world that works for
everyone.
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Line is the author of fivebooks, including Clear Your
Client's Limiting Beliefs,creating On Purpose and
Transforming Trauma.
Welcome to the show line.
I am so excited to have youhere.
Thank you, Jennifer.
I'm excited to be here.
This is, we have so much to diveinto that.
Oh my goodness.
So much to talk about.
But before we talk about how youbecame coined, the subconscious
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detective, I'd love to know whatgot you on this journey.
Well, I was born at a very earlyage.
Which is, true for most people.
As I was growing up, I feltalone.
I felt detached and I didn'tbelong.
I didn't belong to my family.
I didn't really attach to any,to my parents or my siblings, or
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even our dogs.
And so it got me into the, mymind, and so I started.
Being curious about my own mind.
And I began to study everythingI could about the mind and the
brain and neurology.
And then I got into psychicphenomenon and reincarnation.
And basically I've been a seekerall my life.
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And my primary goal was to fixmyself so I could be normal.
And fortunately, after, youknow, 50 years of
self-development work, I neverbecame normal.
So that's the, fun part.
Yay.
Yay.
Good for you.
I love that.
Not being normal.
That is amazing.
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So when you look back over allyour research studies from
psychology to neurology andspirituality and philosophy,
what was your biggest takeaway?
The biggest aha moment.
Through all those years ofresearch.
Well, of course there werehundreds of them, but, I'll give
you one of my favorites.
It's when I realized thatbeliefs were at the core of all
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personal change efforts, andthat when I changed my belief, a
core belief, everything elsechanged, my perspective changed
the way I looked at myself,changed the way I looked at
others, and the world changed.
And that beliefs were actuallythe core of that change process.
And then I started studying allthe belief change efforts that I
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could, and most of them had.
The same problem as most of theworkshops and trainings that I
did was that they producedtemporary or partial results.
I felt good for a couple of daysand then I was kind of back to
my old self again.
I was back to my old reactionsagain.
When something deep in mechanged that was profound and
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permanent, that's when realshifts occurred.
And so I was asking myself thequestion, what is it about those
particular experiences that weretruly transformational versus
those temporary feel goodmoments?
And that was when I made thenext discovery, which was that
beliefs are not mentalconstructs, and most people
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treat them as mental constructs.
Like thoughts?
Oh, I believe, I'm not a goodperson, so I'll just change my
mind.
I am a good person.
Well, that's groovy for a littlewhile, as long as you can keep
doing the affirmation a few thouthousand times.
But you keep coming back to theold belief because you haven't
cleared it completely from thepsyche.
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And so by understanding what wasgoing on, I really understood
that beliefs in the way I talkabout them are the
infrastructure of the humanmind.
They're not mental constructs,they're multidimensional
constructs because they comefrom our experience and our
experience is multidimensional.
Right now, you and our listenersare seeing and feeling and
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sensing and intuiting andknowing and understanding, and
you're in a particularenvironment and in particular
relationships.
And so that's, we aremultidimensional beings having
multidimensional experiences atall times.
So our beliefs which are createdmust also be multidimensional.
And so that's when I realized wecan change the beliefs at the
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core if we change themmultidimensional.
Okay, so I love this.
Let's break down first,'causepeople like multidimensional,
what are you saying?
Am I an alien?
What does this mean, lion?
So let's start with that firstand then we'll deep dive into
more belief stuff.
Great.
So let's think about thedimensions of right now you're
having an experience.
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If you tried to describe yourexperience completely and fully
right now, it might take you,you know, a book to describe
this moment right now.
There's been books written likethat where they describe a whole
afternoon's experience in onebook.
So there's a lot going on wherecomplex beings we're part of
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everything.
We're connected to everythingaround us, and all of that is
being sensed at this moment.
So.
Seeing, feeling intuiting,knowing all of these things are
happening right now.
You're listening to my words,you're interpreting them through
your own filters, your ownunderstandings.
You're asking yourself thequestion, is he really talking
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something new or is the same oldbullshit you are.
You know, you're, you arefitting it in with your own
understandings at the moment andsaying, does this make sense?
Does it not make sense?
Is this something I should throwaway or something I should keep?
So all this is going on at once,and no matter which dimension
you look at, there's a lot goingon.
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So you're not only hearing myvoice, you're also hearing the
surrounding room that you're inor outside noises.
You're not just seeing me,you're seeing peripheral in your
peripheral vision.
Everything around you, you'resensing.
Energetically, you're not onlyyour own energetic system, your
chakras, you're also sensing theair around you and the people
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around you.
So that's what I mean bymultidimensional.
We're for, we're highly complexbeings.
And experience is what I trafficin, because that's the real
stuff.
I know a lot about neurology,but we don't experience our
neurology.
We experience our experience.
Right.
And that's an excellentexplanation for that.
So when we dive into the beliefaspect, and everyone knows that,
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I believe if you're gonna doanything, you have to get to the
root cause of something, whichis the subconscious of what
you're a professional with.
For sure.
And I know that's on your docketwhen we first just dive into
belief so that people understandthe difference between what is a
belief versus a thought.
Kind of like what you weretalking about a few moments ago.
How could you decipher that?
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And then we can keep digginginto that.
So a thought is produced, in themind, right?
Or we could say the braindoesn't matter, brain, mind.
And it's a, usually is it'slanguaged.
So my thought is you're a niceperson.
Now that comes from anexperience.
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I'm experiencing you first, andthen I come to a conclusion.
You're a nice person.
As soon as it's a conclusion,it's based on all the previous
conclusions I've ever had.
That's the belief structure.
So I've met lots of people,they've been different.
I've, I'm assessing you, I'mlooking at you and judging you
and going, yeah, she's a niceperson.
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So that's a thought, but it'snot just a single thought that
you could separate out from thematrix.
It's part of a gigantic matrixof thinking.
If we look at beliefs asstructures that the
infrastructure think about, thepipes underground that bring
utilities to our house, right?
That's an infrastructure.
It means inside structure thatwe don't see, we're not aware
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of, right?
If we took all the pipesunderground and we put them on
top of the ground, we couldn'tdrive anywhere, right?
It very messy, right?
So our infrastructure are.
Understandings that we've cometo from our experience.
Let's say you're drawing a, witha crayon on the wall, happily as
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a 2-year-old because you're justexpressing yourself creatively
in colors and designs.
And your mother walks in andsays, what are you doing?
Stop that.
And suddenly your joy is beingcut off.
And we call this interruptedenthusiasm.
So enthusiasm comes from theGreek and theos, which means in
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God.
So your God self is expressingyourself.
Your creativity's coming out,and boom, something comes in and
stops.
It, interrupts it.
And of course, you've made yourmother mad.
That's a survival problem.
If your mother doesn't like you,she might throw you out to the
wolves.
And so you have to come to aconclusion.
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You have to make meaning like,what just happened here?
And what happened was, I didsomething bad.
I made mother angry.
I must be a bad person.
What I did was bad, or I'm bad.
And that becomes a core belief,especially if it happens over
and over again.
So traumas can create corebeliefs very, very quickly and
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easily.
And repeated traumas can alsoreinforce beliefs.
Now we also get beliefs fromothers.
We get their beliefs'cause theyindoctrinate us.
Indoctrinate means to putindoctrinate in, to put a belief
into someone.
So we get indoctrinated by ourparents, this is who you are,
this is what you should do, thisis what you'll be when you grow
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up.
This is what's right.
This is what's wrong.
This is good to eat.
That's not good to eat.
Then we go to our siblings andthey tell us stuff that they've
learned.
And then we go to school and allthe kids and the teachers tell
us what they've learned.
And then we go to church orsynagogue or the mosque, and we
find out what the authoritiessay is true about life.
And so we're accumulating thesebeliefs, this infrastructural
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understanding of the worldourselves and others over time.
That builds up into tens ofthousands of beliefs that are
used to then interpret the worldand our experience so much
there.
So powerful.
Because, you know what I kept,like zoning in on is, well, that
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poor little child just learnedthat joy isn't good.
Exactly.
That's what, that was the onething that stood out in what you
were sharing.
I mean, of course the otherstuff to me, I get that, but I
thought, oh my gosh, that poorchild now associates joy with
being bad.
Exactly with mom being angry,which means danger, which means
I've gotta figure out veryquickly how to, how to be safe.
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Okay.
I won't ever do that again.
I won't make mother angry again.
I, you know, so yeah, there'sall kinds of strategies that
come out of these experiences.
So we have behavioral strategiesthat come out of our
conclusions, and now we have apersonality developed based on
those strategies.
I think I'll just stay quiet andI won't do anything.
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So mom doesn't get mad.
Now I look like a shy child.
That's a strategy.
It's not a full self-expression.
It's a way of making sure thatI'm safe.
So the ego wants to survive.
It wants to be safe, you know,Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
So it figures out how to surviveand thrive in the world.
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Right.
Do you feel that nine timesoutta 10 when you're working
with someone and you're goingthrough your system, that most
of the energetic blockages, thebelief system, has been obtained
from the trauma in childhood?
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See, I'm considering nine out of10.
I would say that it's certainlythe vast majority.
And what we do in our process iswe have the person, first of
all, deal with whatever they'redealing with right now.
Like what we ask the question,what are you experiencing right
now that you'd rather not beexperiencing?
And then we go to the body,'cause everything happens in the
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body.
Right?
So what does it feel like tohave that happening?
We get into the feel and that,not just the feel word
description, but the actualdescription of a sensation.
That feels like a square blockin my heart, made of steel that
weighs 12 pounds and it, and isstill, but it's cold.
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Okay.
So that's a description of asensation.
Say, okay, now let's go back intime.
And when you felt thatpreviously and spiral back in
time and find all the times whenyou felt that block in your
heart and go back to the ear.
First time you can feel it.
The first time you rememberfeeling it.
And that process gets a personback to oh my God, I was three
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years old.
I was drawing on the wall.
My mother came in, she yelled atme, I froze.
So, so now we've got somethingto work with.
Now we can reprogram thatoriginal experience and
sometimes it's many experiences,but if we can get to the
earliest one, that's where thereal leverage is.
So then we work with thatexperience and we transform it,
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which then transforms everythingelse.
Right, that ripple effect thatcomes after it.
So with your method, the ClearBeliefs Method, I love that
name.
It just feels so light andliterally clearing.
You're just, you just knowthere's so much behind that.
How do you feel that yourprogram is different versus all
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of the other subconsciousprograms that are out there that
you know, everything that wantsto erase and reroute your
limiting beliefs?
What makes you so amazing?
Because you are so amazing.
I know, but I want our listenersto know.
Well, I, I've, I've studied, Idunno, probably, uh, 50 or 60
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different belief change methods,and they all are based on the
same principle, which is thatyou're, that thoughts are things
and if you change your thoughts,you change your experience.
That's partially true.
A belief is not just a thought,it's also a feeling of physical
sensation.
It's also a history.
It's also a memory.
It's also a limitation inbehavior.
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It's also, you know, the wholething, the, that multidi
dimension.
And so if you just clear thethought.
W whether it's with affirmationsor mental restructuring or
there's a hundred names forchanging your mind, just think
different.
Yeah.
Right.
But that's temporary.
Exactly.
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And it doesn't work.
But when you go back and changeit experientially,
multidimensionally that's whenit's permanent and profound and
it doesn't come back.
And that's our experience withthousands of clients is that old
thing that was haunting them isgone.
I'll give you an example ifthat's okay.
Absolutely.
I was working with apsychotherapist who had a
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successful practice.
She had a great marriage andkids, she, but the one thing she
could never clear was thisfeeling something bad is gonna
happen.
She felt it all the time.
And she tried psychotherapy, shetried drugs and she tried, the
long list of right practices toclear it and nothing worked.
So she found me.
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She said, all right, I'llchallenge you.
Can you change this?
And in one session we cleared itfrom the core of her psyche.
And I checked with her a couplemonths later.
I said, you know, how are youdoing?
She said, it's amazing.
After a lifetime of feeling thatfeeling and having that thought
and looking around to see whatwas bad was gonna happen.
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I haven't felt it at all.
Wait.
She said, hold on.
I did have the thought a weekago, something bad's gonna
happen.
And I realized, oh, I don'tbelieve that anymore.
And it went away.
So that's the proof, that's theacid test for whether this
really works or not.
And for really for any processthat works, did it go away and
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stay away?
Is it gone completely or does itkeep coming back and haunting
you again and again?
And so that's the differencebetween what we do and what most
other people do.
That is so amazing.
And I've done lots of differentthings having met amazing people
like you on the podcast and justthrough my own trials and
tribulations over the years, andexactly what you're saying, I
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find like, yes, you can writeout your affirmations, you can
say your affirmations, you cando this.
But when you get into thesubconscious, and I don't know
how much you're comfortablesharing.
Everyone has a little sweet teathat they add to it, right?
Is it.
P, are we going under, are wetrancing just because of your
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amazing voice?
How do you get someone to gothere?
First of all, we don't dohypnosis.
We don't do NLP.
We don't do any of those otherthings.
I put this system togethermyself, and I've discovered that
there's many other people doingsimilar things.
I just gathered whatever workedbest for me over 40 years of.
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Trial and error.
We don't put people in trance.
We do have them close theireyes, which some people go, oh,
that's trance.
Well, not really.
'cause we're not saying you willbe, you'll listen to my voice
and everything would bewonderful.
So we don't do that.
We just have a conversation witha person and say, okay, would
you please close your eyes.
And then we take them on aninner journey.
But we say to them, look,you're, you'll be conscious the
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whole time.
We'll be dialoguing.
Just tell me what you'reexperiencing.
And that's enough.
It doesn't have to be all woowooand mystical and, trancey.
Right.
And I ask that because I, youknow, I just know, and I can
sense some people go, oh, herewe go again.
Someone wants to try to put meunder.
And that, I remember in my earlystages, like someone would say
NLP and I'd be like, peace out.
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Bye.
I, no.
And you know, and now I'veexperienced it in different
ways.
But that's why I think it's soimportant for people to
understand.
There's so many.
Different modalities and youjust have to find what works for
you.
Absolutely.
And find the right person.
Because a lot of times too, it'sthe connection with the
individual that allows you toget to that place where you're
willing to truly be authenticand vulnerable.
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And then that's when the gatescan open and, miracles can
happen.
Yeah.
As I said, I've taken over ahundred workshops and trainings.
I spent 20 years, doing shamanicpractices.
All of this has informed what Ido and I have a comprehensive
view of human beings.
I see them as beautiful lightsthat are shining, but then it
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gets covered over with all thecrap that we've accumulated in
our lifetime.
And my job is just to help clearthe layers of chunk that has
been accumulated.
All of those decades, and we doit one piece at a time.
You can't do it all at once.
If so, you, you blow peopleaway.
But by clearing the major piecesout of the way, pretty soon
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people brighten up and they havea different view of themselves
in the world right now.
We just completed a six monthproject with, with a welfare
department of a state in thenortheast.
And we were coaching people whowere in poverty who wanted to
get out of poverty.
And in, in just six months, wegot a lot of them out of
poverty, but they all changedtheir viewpoint.
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And so we feel it was a realsuccess.
We're gonna be writing up aresearch, paper pretty soon.
But, but we saw incredibleresults and the people in the
authority and the governmentsaid, we've never seen.
This kind of transformationbefore in anything we've ever
offered to people.
And people are coming back to usand saying, oh my God, my life
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has changed.
Nobody's ever said that to usbefore.
So this was a pilot project, butwe hope to expand it, because,
even poverty is traumatic allthe time.
It's like there's no PTSD, it'sall TSD.
It's trauma, trauma, trauma allthe time.
There's no post.
And so trying to help peopleclear those major pieces of the
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traumatic experience of poverty,it's a job.
And it takes time to clear thebig chunks out of the way.
And then the person hasthemselves and they say, okay, I
can take it from here.
I've got it now.
Thank you for clearing thosethings that I couldn't see.
And so that's divine work forus.
First and foremost,congratulations.
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That is incredible work to bedoing in our world right now.
And that just warms my heart tohear that program, gosh, I hope
it goes worldwide for you.
Me too.
'cause we need that.
We really need that.
No one should be in pain.
No one should be living inpoverty.
I don't believe that's not whyany of us are here on earth.
I agree.
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When you are working withsomeone, do you find that
perhaps they come to you for onereason and then all of a sudden
you begin pulling back theonion, but really while they're
there is something completelydifferent that like maybe a
cause and effect to why theyshow up.
I'll give you a great storyabout that.
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So, a very advanced CEO came tome and he said, I've made
millions of dollars, but I'vealso lost millions of dollars.
In fact, every time I makemillions of dollars, I lose
millions of dollars.
I don't know what's underneaththat, but can you help me?
I said, sure, let's goexploring.
So in about the third sessionin, I took him back to his
childhood, which he did notremember until we did the work.
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And he suddenly remembered beingon the streets of New York with
his mother hand in hand.
He was about two years old, uh,and he looked down and he saw
shiny penny, and he reached downto pick it up and his mother
jerked him back and said, don'ttouch that.
It's dirty.
And he realized that the reasonhe couldn't hold onto his money.
Was because it was dirty and heshouldn't touch it.
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So he had to therefore lose hismillions that he had was very
good at making, because hecouldn't hold onto it.
And that transformed his life.
He didn't have to lose millionsof dollars anymore.
So that's an example of abehavioral pattern.
Yeah.
That has its roots very, verydeep in the psyche below the
level of memory.
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And one of the things that worksfor us is instead of trying to
go back in your memory, which isa verbal mental process, we go
back through feeling and ourfeeling memory is much deeper
and longer than our mentalmemory.
'cause our basically our brainsaren't fully developed until
about age two or three.
And that's why most people don'tremember that.
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But we take people back intoearly memories, even into the
womb and sometimes further backinto past lives.
So these influences are deep andprofound, and, but we can find
the core, the root clear it, andit disappears from life.
That is an incredible share.
That was, wow.
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I mean, I really hope thatpeople just stop and just pause
and re-listen to that partbecause that is so powerful.
I mean, literally everydaythings affect us consciously,
subconsciously.
Which brings me to somethingthat I read about when digging
in is that there are symptomsand conditions around negative
and limiting beliefs that theycan cause in the body.
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And I don't think that peoplerealize that.
And I'm wondering if you'rewilling to share some of that,
to shed some light on that forpeople.
Sure.
So the body is one of those manydimensions.
It's many of the dimensions.
'cause it carries our senses, itcarries our nervous system, it
carries our patterns.
So it's anything that, thatwe're limited by is going to
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show up in the body at sometime, in some way.
It might not show up untilyou're an adult.
You know when you have a heartattack, but that heart attack is
likely based on the limitingbelief.
I can't be angry, so I have tosuppress all the anger.
And so all that has to gosomewhere.
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When we suppress an experience,when we avoid experiencing
something fully, it gets, wehave to put it somewhere and it
often gets shoved into the body.
It can also get shoved out intopsychic space where it's sort of
a piece of you is separated fromyou.
So in shamanic studies, theycall it soul retrieval.
We call it voice dialogue, wherewe bring back those parts of
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ourselves that got left behindsomewhere.
But there's, physical results ofour limitations.
Now, here's another importantfact.
All beliefs are limiting all ofthem.
For example, when I say that isa cat.
Call that a true statement,right?
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A fact.
But in fact, it's a belief thatis a, that is an animal called a
cat.
As soon as you say that as acat, you no longer have a
relationship with that creature.
You're now in your head, you'velabeled it, and so you're not
experiencing the wonder of thatanimal.
If you live with an animal, youget to experience, its wonder
because you're not labeling itall the time, but you see a cat
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in somebody else's house andit's over there.
It's a thing, right?
So we thingify in our languageand we thingify in our brain,
and so every word is a belief.
So our entire language is abelief structure.
Beliefs are basically taking thewhole incredible complex
universe, world and shoving itinto a little box and putting a
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label on it.
And so when you start going downthe belief, uh, rabbit hole, you
find its beliefs all the waydown, right?
Until you get to raw experience.
And so that's where theinfrastructure is in that, in
the deep subconscious whereyou've come to conclusions and
strategies and behaviors thatwork to survive that particular
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situation.
But then they get applied therest of your life.
And now you can't hold onto yourmoney because your mother told
you it was dirty and youshouldn't touch it.
Right?
I, oh, I love this.
I just had this experience withsomeone the other day who they
were having a, a flare up, avery bad pain episode, and they
were like, oh my gosh, the lasttime this happened, I was sick
for days and blah, blah.
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So they went right back to thatexperience and I literally
grabbed the person and I said,look at me.
This is today.
This is this moment.
You are not sick.
You're having a moment.
This is not 12 years ago.
This is this moment in time.
You could just see like thissense of relief.
'cause there was so much feararound it.
I mean, it was, I wasn't doingwhat you were doing, but just to
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give an example of where we go.
And I think that so much inlife, people don't even realize,
again, it goes back to peoplethink it's a cliche of watch
your words, but literally watchyour words and watch where you
allow yourself to go mentallyand physically and emotionally.
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Yeah.
And watch your beliefs.
What do you believe about thatthing that you just said?
What do you believe about thatthing you just experienced?
One of the rules of the mind,which I think is, will be
helpful for everybody, is that,that when you completely feel
and experience something.
Anything.
It goes through a creation cycleand it gets completed.
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Like it got created, youexperienced it, and it's
complete.
It's done.
It's done.
Every experience wants to beexperienced, every feeling wants
to be felt.
So whenever you don't feel itcompletely or don't experience
it completely, it gets storedsomewhere and it gets stuck in
what's called a resistancecycle.
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I want to go and exercise today,but I don't feel like it today.
Okay.
So I'm going to take those twoopposite beliefs and store them
somewhere'cause it's a conflict.
Or I really want mom and dad tostop fighting and I'm too
little.
I can't do anything about it.
So I'm just going to ignore.
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The fact that I really want themto stop fighting and all the bad
feelings that go along withthat.
So I'll put it somewhere, andthat way if they fight, I won't
feel anything.
All of those stored experiencesthat didn't get fully felt or
experienced, they get stuck inthe system.
It's like putting a kink in awater hose.
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And so we become more and morelimited the more we don't
experience until people becomenumb and they become inured to
whatever they're experiencing.
So our job, all of our jobs, isto go back and bring up all
those past experiences that weput somewhere and re-experience
them so they can get completedwhen they're complete, they go
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away.
Love this too.
I had something happen the otherday.
I wanna, and it's, it soundslike what you're saying, but I
wanna see if it's similar, so.
Our lives, we continuouslyrepeat the same patterns until
we get the lesson right, andthen we get to move on.
And it sort of sounds likethat's what you're saying.
And I had a conversation withsomeone the other day and I was
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frustrated about something andwe did this 180 mind set shift
and she said, do you realize a,B and C is playing out and
you've never completed it?
The last three times it came upbecause of your exit strategy.
And I went, I hadn't thought ofit that way.
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And so she was like, do youthink you can sit through this?
Like, makes me cry and get thelesson?
And I was like, well, yeah.
And but, and I think that you'llappreciate this line.
I was coming from the mindsetof, well, I have set healthy
boundaries.
God, the universe is gonna be soproud of me that I'm set, I'm
sticking to these healthyboundaries.
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But there was a whole notherpiece to it that I was never
even seeing.
I was missing out.
Kind of like what you're saying,like we have to exper.
'cause I wasn't experie.
There was a whole experiencethat I was missing out on that I
didn't even realize because of alimiting belief of thinking that
this one thing is what I wassupposed to be doing.
Right.
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That's one of many ways to avoidyour experience.
You can think about it, you can,distract yourself by going
somewhere else.
You can suppress it, you canhide it, you can, talk to
someone about it endlesslywithout ever experiencing it.
You know, there's, we havehundreds of ways of not
experiencing our experience, butthere's only one way to actually
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experience it fully.
And that is to feel it in itsfullness at the moment.
And most experiences, mostfeelings last 30 to 90 seconds.
Here's a fun experiment peoplecan do.
If you ever get up in the nightand you bang your shin against a
table,'cause you're not, becausethe lights are off.
And my immediate reaction is, ohgod damn, who was, I'm so
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stupid.
Who put that there?
I, what an idiot I am.
You know?
So suddenly I'm not experiencingthe pain of my shin, I'm in my
head blaming somebody else ormyself.
Okay?
So here's the trick.
Instead of doing that, take yourshin and push it up against the
table again, and feel the paincompletely.
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Ah, and it usually goes away in30 to 90 seconds.
And then you won't bruise.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So that's what it means to fullyexperience, to feel it.
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And we're, we're all prettywilling to experience something
pleasurable, but we're oftenresistant to feeling things that
are painful.
But painful is part of life.
The pain wants to be felt, itwants to be experienced if the
nervous system is in informationsuperhighway.
And if you get clogged up, ifyou start getting traffic jams
in your superhighway Yeah.
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Then things stop.
And then we get these.
Yeah, totally.
See, I was gonna say, I wouldtake it one step forward after
what you said, and I get out mylittle Louise Hay book and I
say, okay, what does the shinmean?
What am I missing?
What am I not seeing?
What am I not feeling?
Well, what's missing in my life?
'cause I like you, I believethat every dis-ease in the body
comes from some sort ofemotional suppression that we
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haven't, felt worked through.
And then if we continue not to,then it turns into the disease
in the body.
Right.
Which we're, we don't wantpeople to need to get that far
to hear a message.
And here's what's really weird,things like fibromyalgia, which
is kind of mysterious, painfuldisease is actually caused by a,
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there's an MD who's who studiedthis, is caused by not being
willing to feel psychologicalfeelings, and instead creating
pain in the body so that youdon't have to feel the pain, the
emotional pain that you don'twant to feel.
So that's how smart the brain isit'll find another way to
distract from what we have, whatwe really have to deal with.
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And it'll distract us even with.
Artificial pain.
That is so amazing and just soimpactful.
I love when you can dig in andgo further and blow people's
minds with a statement like youjust made, because it's things
like that people need to know.
You're not a bad person.
You didn't cause this.
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Outside circumstances, thingshappen, but now you know that
you have a way to release it, sowhy wouldn't you?
Absolutely.
Right.
What piece of advice would yougive to the listeners who
they're hearing everything thatwe're saying, they're getting
it, but yet they're still likelimiting beliefs?
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So now is everything that I say,a limiting belief?
Like what do you say to thatperson?
To simplify it down so thatsomeone isn't freaking out
going, Jesus, what have I justsaid?
Driving down the, you know, downthe highway.
Well, first I would make it apractical recommendation, in
both of my eBooks, which arefree.
One's called Clear Your Beliefs.
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The other one's called ClearYour Client's Limiting Beliefs.
There's a process in therecalled Belief Self-Diagnosis,
and it's a way to begin touncover the subconscious beliefs
that we have that are drivingour life that we're not aware
of.
So it basically says pick a,pick an area of your life you're
having problems with, likefinance.
And then it says, okay, what doI believe about money?
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And you allow your subconsciousmind to speak using this
process.
And you write down all thebeliefs you have about money.
What do I believe aboutfinances?
Well write down all those thingsdown.
And so you just allow the brainto kind of come to respond to
your question of what do Ibelieve about that thing?
And then you end up with a listof hundreds of beliefs that you
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have that are running your life.
Money doesn't grow on trees.
You have to work really hard toget money.
Nobody wants what you'reselling.
You're in the wrong profession.
And then you can start examiningthem and saying, wow, this stuff
is running my life.
This is the engine running mylife.
And some of the beliefs arepositive, like.
I can make money when I put mymind to it.
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Great.
Okay.
You don't need to change thatone.
That's a good one.
Right.
Let's clear the negative ones,the things that are holding you
back, and then the pos.
And then what we do in ourprocess is we, after we clear an
old belief, we replace it with amore positive and true belief,
more true to your true self.
And then that be, that's nowrunning you.
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So I use the analogy of agarden.
I said, if you wanna plant agarden, the first thing you do
is you clear the rocks and theweeds from the soil.
Because if you throw your seeds,your new beliefs on rocky weedy
ground, not much is gonna take.
Right.
If you clear the soil first,then when you plant your seeds,
they will grow and blossom andflower and fruit, right?
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That's what we need to do in thepsyches.
We need to clear the rocks andthe weeds, and then an
affirmation, a positivestatement can be planted.
But throwing positive statementson old negative beliefs does not
work.
It doesn't, it's like a bandaid,like you said, I am beautiful.
I'm be, well, you know, if youdon't believe you're beautiful,
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you can say it all day long.
It's not, it's surface level.
It's not getting to that rootcause in the subconscious.
Even worse than that, when youtry to put a positive belief on
top of a negative one, itstimulates the negative one to
come up and reassert itself.
I'm a beautiful person.
You are not, you don't know whatthe hell you're talking about.
So, so you get this conflict andwhatever you resist persists.
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Right.
Just right.
Right, right, right.
It just creates more conflict.
So think about like, so, oh, Ilove this.
Back to what you said just amoment ago.
So all those people that arewalking around going, I'm a
multimillionaire.
I'm making$500,000 a day.
It's reiterating, oh, hell no.
You are not.
Exactly.
So it's like n negatingthemselves.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
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That's how the subconsciousworks, right?
Is it wants to stay stable.
So you have to clear itcompletely and
multidimensionally, and thenyou've got open, clear ground.
Then you've got rich soil thatwill support your new beliefs.
Oh my gosh, you are amazing.
I, I knew you were amazing, butyou're more amazing now.
I just love this and this kindof work is so important right
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now, and I love the newness ofwhat you're bringing to the
table.
Based on everything that's beenout there forever and a day.
And the openness andaccessibility ness that you
offer, that you exude, is justfabulous.
So I wanna ask you this, we getto the point in the show where I
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wanna ask one thing about youbecause we've talked everything
about your work and all thatgood stuff, but there's so much
that's behind you that I've readabout that is I just love and
amazing.
And so I would like to ask you,is there one thing that maybe no
one knows about you?
Oh, there's probably a lot ofthings that no one knows about
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me.
Are you asking me to revealsomething that no one knows
about me?
Well, it's just a question.
No, I mean, you don't have to.
But it's just a question.
Is there something that no oneknows about you that maybe you'd
wanna share?
Well, unless people have readwhat I've written extensively,
they don't know that at the ageof 26 I was shot and, four times
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in the head by a man who wantedto kill me.
And we ended up talking foreight hours after the incident
in order to find a way out ofthe situation.
So that's kind of my famousstory.
It actually has been published.
There was a movie made based onthat story.
So, that's my big story.
That's the one that, that mostpeople ask me about.
That's a huge story.
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So do you wanna elaborate alittle bit as to, why someone
wanted to kill you and why youtalked to them for eight hours?
How much time do we have?
I know, right?
Like, where are we at?
So I was 26 years old.
I was kind of lost aftergraduating with a degree in
Consciousness Studies, in 1975.
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That'll tell you how old I am.
So I'm wandering the country ina, in an RV van and selling
objects to stores.
Just put it that way.
Kind of new age crystals and,feather earrings and weird,
weird chip fun.
So I was a travel.
Warrior on the road, I wouldstop and help people.
I was a good Samaritan.
I'd stop and help people iftheir cars had broken down.
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So I'm traveling from Las Vegaswhere I'd spent a couple weeks
toward la through the MojaveDesert.
And there was a guy whose carhad broken down in the middle of
the desert about 110 degreesoutside, and his hood was up and
he was staring into it as if hecould figure out what was going
on.
And so I stopped and I said, youknow, can I help you in any way?
He said, well, I just put$200into where she won't start.
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I don't know what to do.
I said, I'm heading into LA Ifyou want to ride, you can put
your stuff in my van and wewill, I'll take you to la.
He went, okay.
So he takes his stuff, dufflebags and a suitcase or two and
the van's already prettycrowded.
Anyway, he ends up travelingwith me for three days'cause I'm
stopping at stores and, showingmy wares.
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And at night we'd camp outsomewhere in, in the boonies.
And, I had groan to trust him.
I'd sent him on errands with avan and I gave him clothes to
wear and kind of cleaned him upa little bit.
And then the third night out, Iwas in the back of the van
moving things around in thecabinets'cause it was very
crowded and he was in the frontof the van, listening to music
and suddenly there was anexplosion and something hit me
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in the head.
And at first I thought the gasstove near me had exploded and I
looked up and the gas stove wasintact.
Then I looked to my left to thefront of the van and he, there
he was with a gun pointed at myhead.
I was a bit shocked, because, Isaid, are you shooting at me?
It's like, it didn't make anysense.
Like, here's this guy who I'dbeen nice to, and before he
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could answer, he shot again.
And I realized he wasn't justwarning me, he was gonna kill
me.
I'm 26 years old.
I had studied spirituality,death, and dying psychology, but
here I was stuck in a position.
I could not move, I could notdefend myself.
He was 11 feet away with a gunand his hand propped up.
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I knew I was gonna die.
And so at that point, I had todecide what, how do I respond?
That's my responsibility, right?
My, so I thought, well, if I'mgonna die, I, I certainly didn't
expect this, but I don't want todie angry.
And I don't want to die, upset.
So I started talking to God andI said, I'm coming home.
And here I am, this kind ofgolden light love came pouring
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through me, into my body.
And I'd be, I said, I also don'twant to die with anything left
over.
And by this time he, he'd shot athird time.
The second and third bulletsmissed me by a fraction of an
inch.
And so I went through my pastand I asked for forgiveness for
anyone I had hurt, and I forgaveall those who had hurt me so I
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could die clean.
And by this time, I'm nowfloating above my body.
I'm looking down at this sceneinside a van, kinda like looking
into a dollhouse, seeing thisscene going on.
It was kind of amusing to me,but I was just, I was in the
state of golden light and loveand, you know, he was included
in it.
It didn't matter.
And then the fourth bullet rangout and my head was suddenly
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shoved to the side and blood wasrushing down all over me.
And, but I was back in my bodyand I didn't understand that
because I was supposed to beoutta my body.
And, but here I am back at mybody and there's blood
everywhere and I'm checking out.
I had studied mime and phys andphysiology and neurology and
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anatomy.
So I knew my body very well.
I was a dancer.
And so I was checking my body.
I thought, okay, if the bulletwent in through my head, I
should be missing something.
I should be missing something,mental or physical.
And I'm scanning my body and I'mstill intact and I don't know
what's happened.
I realized, well, I don't wantto just die this way.
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I want to at least look myassassin, eyes.
'cause I was perpendicular tohim.
And so I turned, I picked up myhead from my shoulder, turned
and looked at him, and hefreaked out.
And he jumped up and he said,why aren't you dead, man?
You're supposed to be dead.
And I didn't know the answer tothat question.
And all I could say is, here Iam.
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And he said, I shot you fourtimes, man.
I shot you four times.
Why aren't you dead?
You're supposed to be dead.
And then I said, maybe I'm notsupposed to die.
And he said, yeah, but I shotyou, I shot you four times, man.
And he is jumping up, lookingout the windows.
We were in the middle ofnowhere.
Nobody would've heard the shotso long come to check it out.
And so that began a eight hourprocess of me trying to talk him
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down from his adrenaline stateto, I thought if I could keep
him talking, maybe he wouldn'tshoot me.
I.
Just to make a very long storyshort, we ended up negotiating
for all those hours.
I was curious about him.
I was like a coach.
I was asking him questions abouthis life.
How did you decide to do this?
Why did you decide to do it now?
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What was your motivation?
I I was gathering information.
And we ended up, after a longperiod of time, coming to an
agreement.
And the agreement was that Iwould let him go and he would
let me go and I would not reporthim to the police, and he would
never do anything like thatagain.
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And we shook on it.
I dropped him off, took myselfto the hospital where the doctor
who was sewing up my scalp said,you're a lucky man.
Two bullets bounced off yourskull, grazed you.
I said, no, I'm, I'm a blessedman.
So that began a whole new lifefor me.
I stopped being a salesman onthe road enough of that, and I
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became a headhunter, which iskind of ironic.
Don't you think that I had myheadhunted and I became a
headhunter.
That was my first career for 25years helping corporations find
people.
Oh, that kind of a headhunter.
Yes, right.
I immediately thought likebounty hunter.
Interesting.
I never thought of it that way,but I understand.
I went right to Bounty Hunter.
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Okay.
But headhunter, yes.
I should have.
Like, yes.
That is wow.
I'm so grateful that you sharedthat story.
I'm grateful that you're here toshare that story that is so
impactful and powerful.
And I would ask this personally,and I always talk about a lot on
the podcast.
I believe there's a lesson and ablessing in every moment of
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life.
As big or as little as it is.
What do you take away as yourlesson and your blessing?
Well, it ties back to ourprevious conversation, which is
that I went, instead ofresisting what was happening, I
went into acceptance.
I went into a deep state ofrelaxation and connection to
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God.
And because I was so relaxed,that fourth bullet actually
pushed my head over, whichallowed the bullet to glance off
if I had any resistance to whatwas happening.
If my neck had been tight or myjaw had been tight, if I didn't
want to die and, I was trying toprevent this thing from
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happening, it, the bulletprobably would've blown the top
of my s skull off.
So the lesson in there isexperience, your experience as
it's happening withoutresistance, and you will get
through it much easier than ifyou resist.
And it might save your life.
Absolutely.
I would say the blessing is thatyou're here to share this
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incredible story with us.
I second that.
Absolutely.
Oh my goodness, lion, that was,you're just amazing.
After amazing.
After amazingness here, will youshare with our listeners where
they can best connect with youto learn more, grab your books,
and hopefully have a sessionwith you.
Absolutely.
Lion goodman.com.
That's LION.
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goodman.com and, that has all mybooks, it has all my coaching
information, it has all myarticles including this, story.
Under the article section,you'll find Lyon's Near Death
experience and you, and at thevery end of that document, which
I recommend it to read, is alink to the video of the short
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film that was made based on thatstory that won a best film award
at a film festival.
So that, that was called theKindness of Strangers.
Beautiful.
I love that.
And as always, all of Lion'scontact information will be over
in the shownotes@jenniferpilates.com.
Thank you so much for being heretoday, for sharing the depths of
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your soul, for sharing thedepths of your knowledge, and
really helping to bring us allinto better alignment and to
better understanding today.
Thank you, Jennifer.
It's been a true pleasure.
You're a great hostess and Ireally appreciate being on your
show.
Thank you so much.
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Well, hello there and welcome to the
show.
I am so excited to have with usour guest, Lyon Goodman.
He's the founder of ClearBeliefs Institute.
He's a professional certifiedtherapeutic coach with 40 years
experience as an executivecoach, teacher, healer, and
subconscious pattern detective.
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He's the creator of the ClearBeliefs Method for deleting,
limiting beliefs, healingchildhood wounds, and resolving
traumas from the past.
He's dedicated to awakening,healing, and enlightening
humanity so that we can get onwith a job of being fully human,
working in collaboration tocreate a world that works for
everyone.
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Line is the author of fivebooks, including Clear Your
Client's Limiting Beliefs,creating On Purpose and
Transforming Trauma.
Welcome to the show line.
I am so excited to have youhere.
Thank you, Jennifer.
I'm excited to be here.
This is, we have so much to diveinto that.
Oh my goodness.
So much to talk about.
But before we talk about how youbecame coined, the subconscious
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detective, I'd love to know whatgot you on this journey.
Well, I was born at a very earlyage.
Which is, true for most people.
As I was growing up, I feltalone.
I felt detached and I didn'tbelong.
I didn't belong to my family.
I didn't really attach to any,to my parents or my siblings, or
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even our dogs.
And so it got me into the, mymind, and so I started.
Being curious about my own mind.
And I began to study everythingI could about the mind and the
brain and neurology.
And then I got into psychicphenomenon and reincarnation.
And basically I've been a seekerall my life.
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And my primary goal was to fixmyself so I could be normal.
And fortunately, after, youknow, 50 years of
self-development work, I neverbecame normal.
So that's the, fun part.
Yay.
Yay.
Good for you.
I love that.
Not being normal.
That is amazing.
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So when you look back over allyour research studies from
psychology to neurology andspirituality and philosophy,
what was your biggest takeaway?
The biggest aha moment.
Through all those years ofresearch.
Well, of course there werehundreds of them, but, I'll give
you one of my favorites.
It's when I realized thatbeliefs were at the core of all
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personal change efforts, andthat when I changed my belief, a
core belief, everything elsechanged, my perspective changed
the way I looked at myself,changed the way I looked at
others, and the world changed.
And that beliefs were actuallythe core of that change process.
And then I started studying allthe belief change efforts that I
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could, and most of them had.
The same problem as most of theworkshops and trainings that I
did was that they producedtemporary or partial results.
I felt good for a couple of daysand then I was kind of back to
my old self again.
I was back to my old reactionsagain.
When something deep in mechanged that was profound and
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permanent, that's when realshifts occurred.
And so I was asking myself thequestion, what is it about those
particular experiences that weretruly transformational versus
those temporary feel goodmoments?
And that was when I made thenext discovery, which was that
beliefs are not mentalconstructs, and most people
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treat them as mental constructs.
Like thoughts?
Oh, I believe, I'm not a goodperson, so I'll just change my
mind.
I am a good person.
Well, that's groovy for a littlewhile, as long as you can keep
doing the affirmation a few thouthousand times.
But you keep coming back to theold belief because you haven't
cleared it completely from thepsyche.
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And so by understanding what wasgoing on, I really understood
that beliefs in the way I talkabout them are the
infrastructure of the humanmind.
They're not mental constructs,they're multidimensional
constructs because they comefrom our experience and our
experience is multidimensional.
Right now, you and our listenersare seeing and feeling and
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sensing and intuiting andknowing and understanding, and
you're in a particularenvironment and in particular
relationships.
And so that's, we aremultidimensional beings having
multidimensional experiences atall times.
So our beliefs which are createdmust also be multidimensional.
And so that's when I realized wecan change the beliefs at the
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core if we change themmultidimensional.
Okay, so I love this.
Let's break down first,'causepeople like multidimensional,
what are you saying?
Am I an alien?
What does this mean, lion?
So let's start with that firstand then we'll deep dive into
more belief stuff.
Great.
So let's think about thedimensions of right now you're
having an experience.
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If you tried to describe yourexperience completely and fully
right now, it might take you,you know, a book to describe
this moment right now.
There's been books written likethat where they describe a whole
afternoon's experience in onebook.
So there's a lot going on wherecomplex beings we're part of
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everything.
We're connected to everythingaround us, and all of that is
being sensed at this moment.
So.
Seeing, feeling intuiting,knowing all of these things are
happening right now.
You're listening to my words,you're interpreting them through
your own filters, your ownunderstandings.
You're asking yourself thequestion, is he really talking
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something new or is the same oldbullshit you are.
You know, you're, you arefitting it in with your own
understandings at the moment andsaying, does this make sense?
Does it not make sense?
Is this something I should throwaway or something I should keep?
So all this is going on at once,and no matter which dimension
you look at, there's a lot goingon.
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So you're not only hearing myvoice, you're also hearing the
surrounding room that you're inor outside noises.
You're not just seeing me,you're seeing peripheral in your
peripheral vision.
Everything around you, you'resensing.
Energetically, you're not onlyyour own energetic system, your
chakras, you're also sensing theair around you and the people
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around you.
So that's what I mean bymultidimensional.
We're for, we're highly complexbeings.
And experience is what I trafficin, because that's the real
stuff.
I know a lot about neurology,but we don't experience our
neurology.
We experience our experience.
Right.
And that's an excellentexplanation for that.
So when we dive into the beliefaspect, and everyone knows that,
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I believe if you're gonna doanything, you have to get to the
root cause of something, whichis the subconscious of what
you're a professional with.
For sure.
And I know that's on your docketwhen we first just dive into
belief so that people understandthe difference between what is a
belief versus a thought.
Kind of like what you weretalking about a few moments ago.
How could you decipher that?
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And then we can keep digginginto that.
So a thought is produced, in themind, right?
Or we could say the braindoesn't matter, brain, mind.
And it's a, usually is it'slanguaged.
So my thought is you're a niceperson.
Now that comes from anexperience.
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I'm experiencing you first, andthen I come to a conclusion.
You're a nice person.
As soon as it's a conclusion,it's based on all the previous
conclusions I've ever had.
That's the belief structure.
So I've met lots of people,they've been different.
I've, I'm assessing you, I'mlooking at you and judging you
and going, yeah, she's a niceperson.
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So that's a thought, but it'snot just a single thought that
you could separate out from thematrix.
It's part of a gigantic matrixof thinking.
If we look at beliefs asstructures that the
infrastructure think about, thepipes underground that bring
utilities to our house, right?
That's an infrastructure.
It means inside structure thatwe don't see, we're not aware
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of, right?
If we took all the pipesunderground and we put them on
top of the ground, we couldn'tdrive anywhere, right?
It very messy, right?
So our infrastructure are.
Understandings that we've cometo from our experience.
Let's say you're drawing a, witha crayon on the wall, happily as
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a 2-year-old because you're justexpressing yourself creatively
in colors and designs.
And your mother walks in andsays, what are you doing?
Stop that.
And suddenly your joy is beingcut off.
And we call this interruptedenthusiasm.
So enthusiasm comes from theGreek and theos, which means in
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God.
So your God self is expressingyourself.
Your creativity's coming out,and boom, something comes in and
stops.
It, interrupts it.
And of course, you've made yourmother mad.
That's a survival problem.
If your mother doesn't like you,she might throw you out to the
wolves.
And so you have to come to aconclusion.
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You have to make meaning like,what just happened here?
And what happened was, I didsomething bad.
I made mother angry.
I must be a bad person.
What I did was bad, or I'm bad.
And that becomes a core belief,especially if it happens over
and over again.
So traumas can create corebeliefs very, very quickly and
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easily.
And repeated traumas can alsoreinforce beliefs.
Now we also get beliefs fromothers.
We get their beliefs'cause theyindoctrinate us.
Indoctrinate means to putindoctrinate in, to put a belief
into someone.
So we get indoctrinated by ourparents, this is who you are,
this is what you should do, thisis what you'll be when you grow
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up.
This is what's right.
This is what's wrong.
This is good to eat.
That's not good to eat.
Then we go to our siblings andthey tell us stuff that they've
learned.
And then we go to school and allthe kids and the teachers tell
us what they've learned.
And then we go to church orsynagogue or the mosque, and we
find out what the authoritiessay is true about life.
And so we're accumulating thesebeliefs, this infrastructural
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understanding of the worldourselves and others over time.
That builds up into tens ofthousands of beliefs that are
used to then interpret the worldand our experience so much
there.
So powerful.
Because, you know what I kept,like zoning in on is, well, that
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poor little child just learnedthat joy isn't good.
Exactly.
That's what, that was the onething that stood out in what you
were sharing.
I mean, of course the otherstuff to me, I get that, but I
thought, oh my gosh, that poorchild now associates joy with
being bad.
Exactly with mom being angry,which means danger, which means
I've gotta figure out veryquickly how to, how to be safe.
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Okay.
I won't ever do that again.
I won't make mother angry again.
I, you know, so yeah, there'sall kinds of strategies that
come out of these experiences.
So we have behavioral strategiesthat come out of our
conclusions, and now we have apersonality developed based on
those strategies.
I think I'll just stay quiet andI won't do anything.
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So mom doesn't get mad.
Now I look like a shy child.
That's a strategy.
It's not a full self-expression.
It's a way of making sure thatI'm safe.
So the ego wants to survive.
It wants to be safe, you know,Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
So it figures out how to surviveand thrive in the world.
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Right.
Do you feel that nine timesoutta 10 when you're working
with someone and you're goingthrough your system, that most
of the energetic blockages, thebelief system, has been obtained
from the trauma in childhood?
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See, I'm considering nine out of10.
I would say that it's certainlythe vast majority.
And what we do in our process iswe have the person, first of
all, deal with whatever they'redealing with right now.
Like what we ask the question,what are you experiencing right
now that you'd rather not beexperiencing?
And then we go to the body,'cause everything happens in the
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body.
Right?
So what does it feel like tohave that happening?
We get into the feel and that,not just the feel word
description, but the actualdescription of a sensation.
That feels like a square blockin my heart, made of steel that
weighs 12 pounds and it, and isstill, but it's cold.
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Okay.
So that's a description of asensation.
Say, okay, now let's go back intime.
And when you felt thatpreviously and spiral back in
time and find all the times whenyou felt that block in your
heart and go back to the ear.
First time you can feel it.
The first time you rememberfeeling it.
And that process gets a personback to oh my God, I was three
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years old.
I was drawing on the wall.
My mother came in, she yelled atme, I froze.
So, so now we've got somethingto work with.
Now we can reprogram thatoriginal experience and
sometimes it's many experiences,but if we can get to the
earliest one, that's where thereal leverage is.
So then we work with thatexperience and we transform it,
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which then transforms everythingelse.
Right, that ripple effect thatcomes after it.
So with your method, the ClearBeliefs Method, I love that
name.
It just feels so light andliterally clearing.
You're just, you just knowthere's so much behind that.
How do you feel that yourprogram is different versus all
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of the other subconsciousprograms that are out there that
you know, everything that wantsto erase and reroute your
limiting beliefs?
What makes you so amazing?
Because you are so amazing.
I know, but I want our listenersto know.
Well, I, I've, I've studied, Idunno, probably, uh, 50 or 60
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different belief change methods,and they all are based on the
same principle, which is thatyou're, that thoughts are things
and if you change your thoughts,you change your experience.
That's partially true.
A belief is not just a thought,it's also a feeling of physical
sensation.
It's also a history.
It's also a memory.
It's also a limitation inbehavior.
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It's also, you know, the wholething, the, that multidi
dimension.
And so if you just clear thethought.
W whether it's with affirmationsor mental restructuring or
there's a hundred names forchanging your mind, just think
different.
Yeah.
Right.
But that's temporary.
Exactly.
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And it doesn't work.
But when you go back and changeit experientially,
multidimensionally that's whenit's permanent and profound and
it doesn't come back.
And that's our experience withthousands of clients is that old
thing that was haunting them isgone.
I'll give you an example ifthat's okay.
Absolutely.
I was working with apsychotherapist who had a
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successful practice.
She had a great marriage andkids, she, but the one thing she
could never clear was thisfeeling something bad is gonna
happen.
She felt it all the time.
And she tried psychotherapy, shetried drugs and she tried, the
long list of right practices toclear it and nothing worked.
So she found me.
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She said, all right, I'llchallenge you.
Can you change this?
And in one session we cleared itfrom the core of her psyche.
And I checked with her a couplemonths later.
I said, you know, how are youdoing?
She said, it's amazing.
After a lifetime of feeling thatfeeling and having that thought
and looking around to see whatwas bad was gonna happen.
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I haven't felt it at all.
Wait.
She said, hold on.
I did have the thought a weekago, something bad's gonna
happen.
And I realized, oh, I don'tbelieve that anymore.
And it went away.
So that's the proof, that's theacid test for whether this
really works or not.
And for really for any processthat works, did it go away and
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stay away?
Is it gone completely or does itkeep coming back and haunting
you again and again?
And so that's the differencebetween what we do and what most
other people do.
That is so amazing.
And I've done lots of differentthings having met amazing people
like you on the podcast and justthrough my own trials and
tribulations over the years, andexactly what you're saying, I
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find like, yes, you can writeout your affirmations, you can
say your affirmations, you cando this.
But when you get into thesubconscious, and I don't know
how much you're comfortablesharing.
Everyone has a little sweet teathat they add to it, right?
Is it.
P, are we going under, are wetrancing just because of your
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amazing voice?
How do you get someone to gothere?
First of all, we don't dohypnosis.
We don't do NLP.
We don't do any of those otherthings.
I put this system togethermyself, and I've discovered that
there's many other people doingsimilar things.
I just gathered whatever workedbest for me over 40 years of.
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Trial and error.
We don't put people in trance.
We do have them close theireyes, which some people go, oh,
that's trance.
Well, not really.
'cause we're not saying you willbe, you'll listen to my voice
and everything would bewonderful.
So we don't do that.
We just have a conversation witha person and say, okay, would
you please close your eyes.
And then we take them on aninner journey.
But we say to them, look,you're, you'll be conscious the
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whole time.
We'll be dialoguing.
Just tell me what you'reexperiencing.
And that's enough.
It doesn't have to be all woowooand mystical and, trancey.
Right.
And I ask that because I, youknow, I just know, and I can
sense some people go, oh, herewe go again.
Someone wants to try to put meunder.
And that, I remember in my earlystages, like someone would say
NLP and I'd be like, peace out.
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Bye.
I, no.
And you know, and now I'veexperienced it in different
ways.
But that's why I think it's soimportant for people to
understand.
There's so many.
Different modalities and youjust have to find what works for
you.
Absolutely.
And find the right person.
Because a lot of times too, it'sthe connection with the
individual that allows you toget to that place where you're
willing to truly be authenticand vulnerable.
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And then that's when the gatescan open and, miracles can
happen.
Yeah.
As I said, I've taken over ahundred workshops and trainings.
I spent 20 years, doing shamanicpractices.
All of this has informed what Ido and I have a comprehensive
view of human beings.
I see them as beautiful lightsthat are shining, but then it
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gets covered over with all thecrap that we've accumulated in
our lifetime.
And my job is just to help clearthe layers of chunk that has
been accumulated.
All of those decades, and we doit one piece at a time.
You can't do it all at once.
If so, you, you blow peopleaway.
But by clearing the major piecesout of the way, pretty soon
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people brighten up and they havea different view of themselves
in the world right now.
We just completed a six monthproject with, with a welfare
department of a state in thenortheast.
And we were coaching people whowere in poverty who wanted to
get out of poverty.
And in, in just six months, wegot a lot of them out of
poverty, but they all changedtheir viewpoint.
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And so we feel it was a realsuccess.
We're gonna be writing up aresearch, paper pretty soon.
But, but we saw incredibleresults and the people in the
authority and the governmentsaid, we've never seen.
This kind of transformationbefore in anything we've ever
offered to people.
And people are coming back to usand saying, oh my God, my life
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has changed.
Nobody's ever said that to usbefore.
So this was a pilot project, butwe hope to expand it, because,
even poverty is traumatic allthe time.
It's like there's no PTSD, it'sall TSD.
It's trauma, trauma, trauma allthe time.
There's no post.
And so trying to help peopleclear those major pieces of the
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traumatic experience of poverty,it's a job.
And it takes time to clear thebig chunks out of the way.
And then the person hasthemselves and they say, okay, I
can take it from here.
I've got it now.
Thank you for clearing thosethings that I couldn't see.
And so that's divine work forus.
First and foremost,congratulations.
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That is incredible work to bedoing in our world right now.
And that just warms my heart tohear that program, gosh, I hope
it goes worldwide for you.
Me too.
'cause we need that.
We really need that.
No one should be in pain.
No one should be living inpoverty.
I don't believe that's not whyany of us are here on earth.
I agree.
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When you are working withsomeone, do you find that
perhaps they come to you for onereason and then all of a sudden
you begin pulling back theonion, but really while they're
there is something completelydifferent that like maybe a
cause and effect to why theyshow up.
I'll give you a great storyabout that.
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So, a very advanced CEO came tome and he said, I've made
millions of dollars, but I'vealso lost millions of dollars.
In fact, every time I makemillions of dollars, I lose
millions of dollars.
I don't know what's underneaththat, but can you help me?
I said, sure, let's goexploring.
So in about the third sessionin, I took him back to his
childhood, which he did notremember until we did the work.
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And he suddenly remembered beingon the streets of New York with
his mother hand in hand.
He was about two years old, uh,and he looked down and he saw
shiny penny, and he reached downto pick it up and his mother
jerked him back and said, don'ttouch that.
It's dirty.
And he realized that the reasonhe couldn't hold onto his money.
Was because it was dirty and heshouldn't touch it.
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So he had to therefore lose hismillions that he had was very
good at making, because hecouldn't hold onto it.
And that transformed his life.
He didn't have to lose millionsof dollars anymore.
So that's an example of abehavioral pattern.
Yeah.
That has its roots very, verydeep in the psyche below the
level of memory.
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And one of the things that worksfor us is instead of trying to
go back in your memory, which isa verbal mental process, we go
back through feeling and ourfeeling memory is much deeper
and longer than our mentalmemory.
'cause our basically our brainsaren't fully developed until
about age two or three.
And that's why most people don'tremember that.
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But we take people back intoearly memories, even into the
womb and sometimes further backinto past lives.
So these influences are deep andprofound, and, but we can find
the core, the root clear it, andit disappears from life.
That is an incredible share.
That was, wow.
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I mean, I really hope thatpeople just stop and just pause
and re-listen to that partbecause that is so powerful.
I mean, literally everydaythings affect us consciously,
subconsciously.
Which brings me to somethingthat I read about when digging
in is that there are symptomsand conditions around negative
and limiting beliefs that theycan cause in the body.
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And I don't think that peoplerealize that.
And I'm wondering if you'rewilling to share some of that,
to shed some light on that forpeople.
Sure.
So the body is one of those manydimensions.
It's many of the dimensions.
'cause it carries our senses, itcarries our nervous system, it
carries our patterns.
So it's anything that, thatwe're limited by is going to
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show up in the body at sometime, in some way.
It might not show up untilyou're an adult.
You know when you have a heartattack, but that heart attack is
likely based on the limitingbelief.
I can't be angry, so I have tosuppress all the anger.
And so all that has to gosomewhere.
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When we suppress an experience,when we avoid experiencing
something fully, it gets, wehave to put it somewhere and it
often gets shoved into the body.
It can also get shoved out intopsychic space where it's sort of
a piece of you is separated fromyou.
So in shamanic studies, theycall it soul retrieval.
We call it voice dialogue, wherewe bring back those parts of
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ourselves that got left behindsomewhere.
But there's, physical results ofour limitations.
Now, here's another importantfact.
All beliefs are limiting all ofthem.
For example, when I say that isa cat.
Call that a true statement,right?
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A fact.
But in fact, it's a belief thatis a, that is an animal called a
cat.
As soon as you say that as acat, you no longer have a
relationship with that creature.
You're now in your head, you'velabeled it, and so you're not
experiencing the wonder of thatanimal.
If you live with an animal, youget to experience, its wonder
because you're not labeling itall the time, but you see a cat
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in somebody else's house andit's over there.
It's a thing, right?
So we thingify in our languageand we thingify in our brain,
and so every word is a belief.
So our entire language is abelief structure.
Beliefs are basically taking thewhole incredible complex
universe, world and shoving itinto a little box and putting a
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label on it.
And so when you start going downthe belief, uh, rabbit hole, you
find its beliefs all the waydown, right?
Until you get to raw experience.
And so that's where theinfrastructure is in that, in
the deep subconscious whereyou've come to conclusions and
strategies and behaviors thatwork to survive that particular
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situation.
But then they get applied therest of your life.
And now you can't hold onto yourmoney because your mother told
you it was dirty and youshouldn't touch it.
Right?
I, oh, I love this.
I just had this experience withsomeone the other day who they
were having a, a flare up, avery bad pain episode, and they
were like, oh my gosh, the lasttime this happened, I was sick
for days and blah, blah.
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So they went right back to thatexperience and I literally
grabbed the person and I said,look at me.
This is today.
This is this moment.
You are not sick.
You're having a moment.
This is not 12 years ago.
This is this moment in time.
You could just see like thissense of relief.
'cause there was so much feararound it.
I mean, it was, I wasn't doingwhat you were doing, but just to
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give an example of where we go.
And I think that so much inlife, people don't even realize,
again, it goes back to peoplethink it's a cliche of watch
your words, but literally watchyour words and watch where you
allow yourself to go mentallyand physically and emotionally.
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Yeah.
And watch your beliefs.
What do you believe about thatthing that you just said?
What do you believe about thatthing you just experienced?
One of the rules of the mind,which I think is, will be
helpful for everybody, is that,that when you completely feel
and experience something.
Anything.
It goes through a creation cycleand it gets completed.
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Like it got created, youexperienced it, and it's
complete.
It's done.
It's done.
Every experience wants to beexperienced, every feeling wants
to be felt.
So whenever you don't feel itcompletely or don't experience
it completely, it gets storedsomewhere and it gets stuck in
what's called a resistancecycle.
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I want to go and exercise today,but I don't feel like it today.
Okay.
So I'm going to take those twoopposite beliefs and store them
somewhere'cause it's a conflict.
Or I really want mom and dad tostop fighting and I'm too
little.
I can't do anything about it.
So I'm just going to ignore.
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The fact that I really want themto stop fighting and all the bad
feelings that go along withthat.
So I'll put it somewhere, andthat way if they fight, I won't
feel anything.
All of those stored experiencesthat didn't get fully felt or
experienced, they get stuck inthe system.
It's like putting a kink in awater hose.
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And so we become more and morelimited the more we don't
experience until people becomenumb and they become inured to
whatever they're experiencing.
So our job, all of our jobs, isto go back and bring up all
those past experiences that weput somewhere and re-experience
them so they can get completedwhen they're complete, they go
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away.
Love this too.
I had something happen the otherday.
I wanna, and it's, it soundslike what you're saying, but I
wanna see if it's similar, so.
Our lives, we continuouslyrepeat the same patterns until
we get the lesson right, andthen we get to move on.
And it sort of sounds likethat's what you're saying.
And I had a conversation withsomeone the other day and I was
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frustrated about something andwe did this 180 mind set shift
and she said, do you realize a,B and C is playing out and
you've never completed it?
The last three times it came upbecause of your exit strategy.
And I went, I hadn't thought ofit that way.
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And so she was like, do youthink you can sit through this?
Like, makes me cry and get thelesson?
And I was like, well, yeah.
And but, and I think that you'llappreciate this line.
I was coming from the mindsetof, well, I have set healthy
boundaries.
God, the universe is gonna be soproud of me that I'm set, I'm
sticking to these healthyboundaries.
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But there was a whole notherpiece to it that I was never
even seeing.
I was missing out.
Kind of like what you're saying,like we have to exper.
'cause I wasn't experie.
There was a whole experiencethat I was missing out on that I
didn't even realize because of alimiting belief of thinking that
this one thing is what I wassupposed to be doing.
Right.
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That's one of many ways to avoidyour experience.
You can think about it, you can,distract yourself by going
somewhere else.
You can suppress it, you canhide it, you can, talk to
someone about it endlesslywithout ever experiencing it.
You know, there's, we havehundreds of ways of not
experiencing our experience, butthere's only one way to actually
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experience it fully.
And that is to feel it in itsfullness at the moment.
And most experiences, mostfeelings last 30 to 90 seconds.
Here's a fun experiment peoplecan do.
If you ever get up in the nightand you bang your shin against a
table,'cause you're not, becausethe lights are off.
And my immediate reaction is, ohgod damn, who was, I'm so
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stupid.
Who put that there?
I, what an idiot I am.
You know?
So suddenly I'm not experiencingthe pain of my shin, I'm in my
head blaming somebody else ormyself.
Okay?
So here's the trick.
Instead of doing that, take yourshin and push it up against the
table again, and feel the paincompletely.
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Ah, and it usually goes away in30 to 90 seconds.
And then you won't bruise.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So that's what it means to fullyexperience, to feel it.
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And we're, we're all prettywilling to experience something
pleasurable, but we're oftenresistant to feeling things that
are painful.
But painful is part of life.
The pain wants to be felt, itwants to be experienced if the
nervous system is in informationsuperhighway.
And if you get clogged up, ifyou start getting traffic jams
in your superhighway Yeah.
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Then things stop.
And then we get these.
Yeah, totally.
See, I was gonna say, I wouldtake it one step forward after
what you said, and I get out mylittle Louise Hay book and I
say, okay, what does the shinmean?
What am I missing?
What am I not seeing?
What am I not feeling?
Well, what's missing in my life?
'cause I like you, I believethat every dis-ease in the body
comes from some sort ofemotional suppression that we
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haven't, felt worked through.
And then if we continue not to,then it turns into the disease
in the body.
Right.
Which we're, we don't wantpeople to need to get that far
to hear a message.
And here's what's really weird,things like fibromyalgia, which
is kind of mysterious, painfuldisease is actually caused by a,
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there's an MD who's who studiedthis, is caused by not being
willing to feel psychologicalfeelings, and instead creating
pain in the body so that youdon't have to feel the pain, the
emotional pain that you don'twant to feel.
So that's how smart the brain isit'll find another way to
distract from what we have, whatwe really have to deal with.
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And it'll distract us even with.
Artificial pain.
That is so amazing and just soimpactful.
I love when you can dig in andgo further and blow people's
minds with a statement like youjust made, because it's things
like that people need to know.
You're not a bad person.
You didn't cause this.
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Outside circumstances, thingshappen, but now you know that
you have a way to release it, sowhy wouldn't you?
Absolutely.
Right.
What piece of advice would yougive to the listeners who
they're hearing everything thatwe're saying, they're getting
it, but yet they're still likelimiting beliefs?
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So now is everything that I say,a limiting belief?
Like what do you say to thatperson?
To simplify it down so thatsomeone isn't freaking out
going, Jesus, what have I justsaid?
Driving down the, you know, downthe highway.
Well, first I would make it apractical recommendation, in
both of my eBooks, which arefree.
One's called Clear Your Beliefs.
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The other one's called ClearYour Client's Limiting Beliefs.
There's a process in therecalled Belief Self-Diagnosis,
and it's a way to begin touncover the subconscious beliefs
that we have that are drivingour life that we're not aware
of.
So it basically says pick a,pick an area of your life you're
having problems with, likefinance.
And then it says, okay, what doI believe about money?
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And you allow your subconsciousmind to speak using this
process.
And you write down all thebeliefs you have about money.
What do I believe aboutfinances?
Well write down all those thingsdown.
And so you just allow the brainto kind of come to respond to
your question of what do Ibelieve about that thing?
And then you end up with a listof hundreds of beliefs that you
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have that are running your life.
Money doesn't grow on trees.
You have to work really hard toget money.
Nobody wants what you'reselling.
You're in the wrong profession.
And then you can start examiningthem and saying, wow, this stuff
is running my life.
This is the engine running mylife.
And some of the beliefs arepositive, like.
I can make money when I put mymind to it.
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Great.
Okay.
You don't need to change thatone.
That's a good one.
Right.
Let's clear the negative ones,the things that are holding you
back, and then the pos.
And then what we do in ourprocess is we, after we clear an
old belief, we replace it with amore positive and true belief,
more true to your true self.
And then that be, that's nowrunning you.
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So I use the analogy of agarden.
I said, if you wanna plant agarden, the first thing you do
is you clear the rocks and theweeds from the soil.
Because if you throw your seeds,your new beliefs on rocky weedy
ground, not much is gonna take.
Right.
If you clear the soil first,then when you plant your seeds,
they will grow and blossom andflower and fruit, right?
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That's what we need to do in thepsyches.
We need to clear the rocks andthe weeds, and then an
affirmation, a positivestatement can be planted.
But throwing positive statementson old negative beliefs does not
work.
It doesn't, it's like a bandaid,like you said, I am beautiful.
I'm be, well, you know, if youdon't believe you're beautiful,
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you can say it all day long.
It's not, it's surface level.
It's not getting to that rootcause in the subconscious.
Even worse than that, when youtry to put a positive belief on
top of a negative one, itstimulates the negative one to
come up and reassert itself.
I'm a beautiful person.
You are not, you don't know whatthe hell you're talking about.
So, so you get this conflict andwhatever you resist persists.
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Right.
Just right.
Right, right, right.
It just creates more conflict.
So think about like, so, oh, Ilove this.
Back to what you said just amoment ago.
So all those people that arewalking around going, I'm a
multimillionaire.
I'm making$500,000 a day.
It's reiterating, oh, hell no.
You are not.
Exactly.
So it's like n negatingthemselves.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
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That's how the subconsciousworks, right?
Is it wants to stay stable.
So you have to clear itcompletely and
multidimensionally, and thenyou've got open, clear ground.
Then you've got rich soil thatwill support your new beliefs.
Oh my gosh, you are amazing.
I, I knew you were amazing, butyou're more amazing now.
I just love this and this kindof work is so important right
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now, and I love the newness ofwhat you're bringing to the
table.
Based on everything that's beenout there forever and a day.
And the openness andaccessibility ness that you
offer, that you exude, is justfabulous.
So I wanna ask you this, we getto the point in the show where I
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wanna ask one thing about youbecause we've talked everything
about your work and all thatgood stuff, but there's so much
that's behind you that I've readabout that is I just love and
amazing.
And so I would like to ask you,is there one thing that maybe no
one knows about you?
Oh, there's probably a lot ofthings that no one knows about
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me.
Are you asking me to revealsomething that no one knows
about me?
Well, it's just a question.
No, I mean, you don't have to.
But it's just a question.
Is there something that no oneknows about you that maybe you'd
wanna share?
Well, unless people have readwhat I've written extensively,
they don't know that at the ageof 26 I was shot and, four times
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in the head by a man who wantedto kill me.
And we ended up talking foreight hours after the incident
in order to find a way out ofthe situation.
So that's kind of my famousstory.
It actually has been published.
There was a movie made based onthat story.
So, that's my big story.
That's the one that, that mostpeople ask me about.
That's a huge story.
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So do you wanna elaborate alittle bit as to, why someone
wanted to kill you and why youtalked to them for eight hours?
How much time do we have?
I know, right?
Like, where are we at?
So I was 26 years old.
I was kind of lost aftergraduating with a degree in
Consciousness Studies, in 1975.
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That'll tell you how old I am.
So I'm wandering the country ina, in an RV van and selling
objects to stores.
Just put it that way.
Kind of new age crystals and,feather earrings and weird,
weird chip fun.
So I was a travel.
Warrior on the road, I wouldstop and help people.
I was a good Samaritan.
I'd stop and help people iftheir cars had broken down.
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So I'm traveling from Las Vegaswhere I'd spent a couple weeks
toward la through the MojaveDesert.
And there was a guy whose carhad broken down in the middle of
the desert about 110 degreesoutside, and his hood was up and
he was staring into it as if hecould figure out what was going
on.
And so I stopped and I said, youknow, can I help you in any way?
He said, well, I just put$200into where she won't start.
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I don't know what to do.
I said, I'm heading into LA Ifyou want to ride, you can put
your stuff in my van and wewill, I'll take you to la.
He went, okay.
So he takes his stuff, dufflebags and a suitcase or two and
the van's already prettycrowded.
Anyway, he ends up travelingwith me for three days'cause I'm
stopping at stores and, showingmy wares.
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And at night we'd camp outsomewhere in, in the boonies.
And, I had groan to trust him.
I'd sent him on errands with avan and I gave him clothes to
wear and kind of cleaned him upa little bit.
And then the third night out, Iwas in the back of the van
moving things around in thecabinets'cause it was very
crowded and he was in the frontof the van, listening to music
and suddenly there was anexplosion and something hit me
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in the head.
And at first I thought the gasstove near me had exploded and I
looked up and the gas stove wasintact.
Then I looked to my left to thefront of the van and he, there
he was with a gun pointed at myhead.
I was a bit shocked, because, Isaid, are you shooting at me?
It's like, it didn't make anysense.
Like, here's this guy who I'dbeen nice to, and before he
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could answer, he shot again.
And I realized he wasn't justwarning me, he was gonna kill
me.
I'm 26 years old.
I had studied spirituality,death, and dying psychology, but
here I was stuck in a position.
I could not move, I could notdefend myself.
He was 11 feet away with a gunand his hand propped up.
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I knew I was gonna die.
And so at that point, I had todecide what, how do I respond?
That's my responsibility, right?
My, so I thought, well, if I'mgonna die, I, I certainly didn't
expect this, but I don't want todie angry.
And I don't want to die, upset.
So I started talking to God andI said, I'm coming home.
And here I am, this kind ofgolden light love came pouring
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through me, into my body.
And I'd be, I said, I also don'twant to die with anything left
over.
And by this time he, he'd shot athird time.
The second and third bulletsmissed me by a fraction of an
inch.
And so I went through my pastand I asked for forgiveness for
anyone I had hurt, and I forgaveall those who had hurt me so I
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could die clean.
And by this time, I'm nowfloating above my body.
I'm looking down at this sceneinside a van, kinda like looking
into a dollhouse, seeing thisscene going on.
It was kind of amusing to me,but I was just, I was in the
state of golden light and loveand, you know, he was included
in it.
It didn't matter.
And then the fourth bullet rangout and my head was suddenly
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shoved to the side and blood wasrushing down all over me.
And, but I was back in my bodyand I didn't understand that
because I was supposed to beoutta my body.
And, but here I am back at mybody and there's blood
everywhere and I'm checking out.
I had studied mime and phys andphysiology and neurology and
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anatomy.
So I knew my body very well.
I was a dancer.
And so I was checking my body.
I thought, okay, if the bulletwent in through my head, I
should be missing something.
I should be missing something,mental or physical.
And I'm scanning my body and I'mstill intact and I don't know
what's happened.
I realized, well, I don't wantto just die this way.
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I want to at least look myassassin, eyes.
'cause I was perpendicular tohim.
And so I turned, I picked up myhead from my shoulder, turned
and looked at him, and hefreaked out.
And he jumped up and he said,why aren't you dead, man?
You're supposed to be dead.
And I didn't know the answer tothat question.
And all I could say is, here Iam.
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And he said, I shot you fourtimes, man.
I shot you four times.
Why aren't you dead?
You're supposed to be dead.
And then I said, maybe I'm notsupposed to die.
And he said, yeah, but I shotyou, I shot you four times, man.
And he is jumping up, lookingout the windows.
We were in the middle ofnowhere.
Nobody would've heard the shotso long come to check it out.
And so that began a eight hourprocess of me trying to talk him
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down from his adrenaline stateto, I thought if I could keep
him talking, maybe he wouldn'tshoot me.
I.
Just to make a very long storyshort, we ended up negotiating
for all those hours.
I was curious about him.
I was like a coach.
I was asking him questions abouthis life.
How did you decide to do this?
Why did you decide to do it now?
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What was your motivation?
I I was gathering information.
And we ended up, after a longperiod of time, coming to an
agreement.
And the agreement was that Iwould let him go and he would
let me go and I would not reporthim to the police, and he would
never do anything like thatagain.
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And we shook on it.
I dropped him off, took myselfto the hospital where the doctor
who was sewing up my scalp said,you're a lucky man.
Two bullets bounced off yourskull, grazed you.
I said, no, I'm, I'm a blessedman.
So that began a whole new lifefor me.
I stopped being a salesman onthe road enough of that, and I
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became a headhunter, which iskind of ironic.
Don't you think that I had myheadhunted and I became a
headhunter.
That was my first career for 25years helping corporations find
people.
Oh, that kind of a headhunter.
Yes, right.
I immediately thought likebounty hunter.
Interesting.
I never thought of it that way,but I understand.
I went right to Bounty Hunter.
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Okay.
But headhunter, yes.
I should have.
Like, yes.
That is wow.
I'm so grateful that you sharedthat story.
I'm grateful that you're here toshare that story that is so
impactful and powerful.
And I would ask this personally,and I always talk about a lot on
the podcast.
I believe there's a lesson and ablessing in every moment of
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life.
As big or as little as it is.
What do you take away as yourlesson and your blessing?
Well, it ties back to ourprevious conversation, which is
that I went, instead ofresisting what was happening, I
went into acceptance.
I went into a deep state ofrelaxation and connection to
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God.
And because I was so relaxed,that fourth bullet actually
pushed my head over, whichallowed the bullet to glance off
if I had any resistance to whatwas happening.
If my neck had been tight or myjaw had been tight, if I didn't
want to die and, I was trying toprevent this thing from
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happening, it, the bulletprobably would've blown the top
of my s skull off.
So the lesson in there isexperience, your experience as
it's happening withoutresistance, and you will get
through it much easier than ifyou resist.
And it might save your life.
Absolutely.
I would say the blessing is thatyou're here to share this
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incredible story with us.
I second that.
Absolutely.
Oh my goodness, lion, that was,you're just amazing.
After amazing.
After amazingness here, will youshare with our listeners where
they can best connect with youto learn more, grab your books,
and hopefully have a sessionwith you.
Absolutely.
Lion goodman.com.
That's LION.
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goodman.com and, that has all mybooks, it has all my coaching
information, it has all myarticles including this, story.
Under the article section,you'll find Lyon's Near Death
experience and you, and at thevery end of that document, which
I recommend it to read, is alink to the video of the short
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film that was made based on thatstory that won a best film award
at a film festival.
So that, that was called theKindness of Strangers.
Beautiful.
I love that.
And as always, all of Lion'scontact information will be over
in the shownotes@jenniferpilates.com.
Thank you so much for being heretoday, for sharing the depths of
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your soul, for sharing thedepths of your knowledge, and
really helping to bring us allinto better alignment and to
better understanding today.
Thank you, Jennifer.
It's been a true pleasure.
You're a great hostess and Ireally appreciate being on your
show.
Thank you so much.
Well, everyone, as we say, untilnext time, may you live an
empowered life from within.
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