May 16, 2025 • 63 mins
In this empowering episode of Empowered Within, host Jennifer Pilates welcomes energy healer and Human Design guide Heather O'Donnell ("High Vibe Heather") for an inspiring live Human Design reading. Discover how your energy blueprint reveals your life path, decision-making style, and the environments that help you thrive. Learn how understanding your Human Design can transform your life, align you with your purpose, and ignite your inner power. A must-listen for anyone seeking authentic self-mastery and soulful success!
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(00:06):
Welcome to Empowered Within aSoul Clenching transformational
podcast that will set your soulon fire through candid and
inspiring conversations.
Leading experts, celebrities,healers, and I share our
journeys of how we've overcomechallenges to living an
empowered life from within.
I'm your host, Jennifer Pilates.
Welcome to another episode ofEmpowered Within.
Audio Only - All Participant (00:34):
Hi there and welcome to a new
episode of Empowered Within.
I'm your host, Jennifer Pilates,and I am over the moon honored
and excited to have with ustoday's guest and my friend
Heather O'Donnell, AKA high vibeHeather.
Heather is a certified energyhealer and human design guide
who teaches others how to healon an energetic level in order
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to connect with their purposeand transform their lives.
And boy, let me tell you, she ishere to do that for us today.
Welcome to the show, Heather.
Hi, Jennifer.
Thank you so much for having me.
Such an honor to be with herewith you again, and I'm excited
for the show today where I getto actually do a human design
reading for you.
I know, I'm so excited.
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So for those of you just jumpingin, we have a part one where
Heather and I did a greatinterview and really took a deep
dive into human design, andafterwards we decided, Hey, why
don't we go deeper with reallylooking at a human design chart,
because why not?
And let's help other people toexplore it and see what happens
with that.
So before we dive in, please,Heather, share with us a little
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bit, give us a little backgroundof human design for those who
might not have caught our firstepisode yet.
Yeah, so I like to describe itas a combination of astrology
and the chakra system.
It's made up of these fouresoteric systems, um, including
the Kabbalah and um, the ech.
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Those are the other elements ofit, but it takes these, all of
these systems together, the fourof them, and it makes a really
detailed, nuanced, energeticblueprint for who you are, who
you came into this world to be.
So it's about these differentarchetypes that we embody and
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how those archetypes show up inour lives and give us the
specific type of energy that weare meant to move from.
So.
That's why it's really hard tosay like generalizations and put
people into a box because we'reall so unique and when you know
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what your unique strengths areand how your energy wants to
work, it gives you this likeguidepost, this map for how to
move through life with the mostease.
I love it.
I'm so excited to dive in withyou.
I've been doing my homework.
I've been doing my own research.
You know, I love human design, Ilove astrology, numerology, all
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of it.
And so, but lately I've reallybeen diving more into human
design.
I went down a rabbit hole and Ifigured out, based on my human
design, what colors I'm supposedto be using in my business to
energetically be in alignmentand then to attract people in
alignment with me.
I.
Whoa.
I didn't even know that was po.
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I didn't know that was a thing.
Did you know that was a thing?
I didn't know that was a thing.
I didn't know that was a thing.
You can like go in so manytangents with human design.
So many.
Yes.
As far as like what, how to eatfor your digestion.
The type of environments arethat are best for you to like
work or meet people in Oh yes,let's know, let's dive.
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It's like, yeah.
Oh my god, there's so much.
There's so much.
It's so ba when I do like ageneral reading, it's fun to
dive into all those little nittygritty details, but obviously
you can go through life and notknow the colors that are correct
for your business and you know,do pretty Okay.
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Hundred percent.
I love to like highlight andfocus on what are the really big
pieces that.
Are going to on the day-to-daybasis guide you love it.
And even just focusing on thosethings, a reading is 90 minutes
and it's hard to like cram intothat, we're not even gonna get
(04:37):
into all of that today becauseit, well, you know, the stage is
yours.
It's, it's a rarity that I handover the stage, but the stage is
yours, so I love it.
Thank you so much.
What an honor You are.
So welcome.
So, like I said, it's based onastrology, so depending on when
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and where you were born, thatspecific time is going to give
you a very specific imprintingof planetary energies.
And so based on your birth timeand location, we were able to.
Pull up your chart and you are,and I know we had a little bit
(05:18):
of a discussion around this, butyour energy type is a generator.
I'm a generator, I'm a five one.
Right?
You are a Yes.
A five.
And I'm generator.
I'm embracing it.
You're embracing it.
That's amazing.
Mm-hmm.
I'm embracing it.
Yeah.
You have a lot of energy in yourchart.
so there are nine energy centersand these are representing the
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chakra system.
You have seven of them defined,for, is that a good thing?
For example, I only have threedefined, so it's just, you know,
everybody's different.
There's no good, bad, better,worse.
It just is what it is.
It just means like you on yourown generate a lot of energy.
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So for those that don't know thedifference between defined and
undefined, what does that mean?
That when I have seven, you saiddefined Yes.
Energy.
So we've got these nine energycenters in the human design
system that we work with,starting with the crown, the
mind, the throat center.
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we've got the self center, whichis also ruled by the heart
center.
And then we've got the sacralcenter, the Solar Plexus Center,
the spleen center, the rootcenter.
So we've got all of thesedifferent energies within us.
And so when you have themdefined, the way we determine
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that, it all goes back to the 64gates.
So inside of everyone's chart,there's these 64 numbers and
they're in the same place ineveryone's chart.
The only difference is whichones you have.
Activated or defined by theplanet, at that moment you were
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born.
So everybody's gotta havedifferent combination just
depending on the astrology ofthat moment.
So those gates, when you have agate from one center that meets
a gate from an opposing centerthat forms a channel, and
wherever we have a channel, thecenter on either side then
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becomes defined.
So you have a lot of channels,which means you have a lot of
defined centers.
So when a center is defined,activated, that's kind of
interchangeable.
It means you are generatingenergy in that particular chakra
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center, the centers that areundefined.
So just to give some clarityhere mm-hmm.
The act as receiving dishes,meaning they are like, little
satellites, like taking ininformation from your,
surroundings, from theenvironment, from the people
you're around.
Okay.
So undefined means you are,yeah.
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You're taking, you're receyou're more receptive to taking
on ideas, thoughts, other fromthings around you.
Whereas when you're defined thatenergy's coming from you, like
you're rooted, you're grounded,you make the decisions, you're
not being influenced by stuffaround you.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Okay.
Yep.
So that's the difference.
So the more centers you havedefined, the more energy you are
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generating, putting out into theworld versus receiving energy
from the world, if that makessense.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So we do have these five energytypes, and you are what's called
a generator.
And we determine that becauseyou have your sacral center
defined.
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So the sacral center is thecenter of life force, vitality,
sexuality, creativity.
And if you have that centerdefined, then you are somebody
who has access to that type ofenergy throughout your whole
life on a very consistent basis.
So what that looks like is youwake up in the morning and
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you're ready to go.
You like to just go, go, go.
Keep busy, keep busy.
And generators are meant to dothe work.
They're here to do work.
Not every type is here to dothat.
And that's really interesting,isn't it?
Because it is interesting, ourcondition to believe in.
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We're in a society where.
We have to, you know, unless youfind your way around that.
But that's the caveat.
But as a generator, it's, youwant to do work because you have
the energy and it's just sittingaround doing nothing is probably
pretty difficult for you.
(10:02):
Sit on your hands and be like,oh, okay, rest.
It's very challenging.
Very challenging.
Yeah.
And so you are meant to use yourenergy throughout the day doing
work that you love.
So it's not just any work, butwork that you love.
And as you do work that youlove, it's it's like a
self-feeding, it feeds you, itnourishes you, it gives you more
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energy, and that's that feelingof satisfaction that you receive
from putting in a good day'swork.
so there's.
These thematic, feelings thatwill let you know whether you're
in alignment or out ofalignment.
So for a generator, the thematicfeelings are, that feeling of
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satisfaction from like, yes, I,I use my energy today doing
something I really love to do,and I feel satisfied.
Versus the feeling offrustration, which comes when
you do things out of obligationor like, oh, somebody's gotta do
it.
So I've got the energy.
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I might as well.
So I love to say to generators,just because you can doesn't
mean you should, becauseotherwise we would spend all of
our energy just doing all thethings that need to be done and
take on too much, and then youget resentful and like, why
isn't anybody else do it?
You know?
Mm-hmm.
How do I have to do it all?
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And the thing is, you don't, youknow, and that's where
boundaries come in and we needboundaries.
For ourselves, you know, to belike, hmm, no, let's not feel in
alignment.
And so how we know then what'sin alignment for us is as a
generator, your body is going togive you a physical signal.
So with that sacral to find,you're going to have a gut
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response.
And a gut response is, somepeople feel it, some people hear
an internal sound.
But if you feel like a rise inenergy in your gut or you're
being pulled towards somethingenergetically, or some people
hear an audible uhhuh, then likethat is your sacral center
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telling you that it has thecapacity, the bandwidth to do
that thing that was, put beforeyou.
And you are meant to respond.
You're meant to respond to that.
Sensation that you are eitherhearing or feeling.
Whereas if something is not inalignment for you or you don't
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have the energetic bandwidth forit, because the sacral center
will let you know moment bymoment what you actually have
the capacity for, then it'sgoing to be either like a drop
in energy in your gut or afeeling of being pushed away or
an internal audible uhuh.
And so when we like really tuneinto our bodies, they're telling
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us our bodies are always likeconnected to this greater
knowing of what's actually rightfor us.
And when the more we say yes tothe things that are right for
us, that we have the capacityfor, that we feel drawn to, that
excite us, that light us up, themore we stay in the trajectory
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of our destiny.
'cause our, it's like we.
Are tied to like the cosmos, inthis way that we came here with
a destiny to fulfill.
And so every little thing thatcomes your way, you are meant to
respond to based on thosesensations.
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And, it takes us a while tomaster, like really tuning in
this world is full ofdistractions keeping us, not
aligned with our bodies, mostlyin our heads.
And we're not meant to makedecisions based on our thinking
minds.
The mind in human design issupposed to be, is considered
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the passenger and the body isthe vehicle.
The passenger's just supposed tosit back and enjoy the ride and
allow the form, the body toguide you.
So human design also tells usabout our unique.
Decision making process.
So for you, it's two partsbecause you have this gut
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response that's guiding youmoment by moment, but you also
have your emotion center, yoursolar plexus center defined.
So because you have that energyactivated and you are generating
this emotional wave on aconsistent basis throughout
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every moment of your life, youdon't get a break from that.
It's, you are riding therollercoaster of emotions.
You have what's called emotionalauthority.
So what that means is you aremeant to ride the full emotional
wave from low to high to back tothis place of neutrality before
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you commit to anything.
If you've ever made a decision,like on an emotional high where
somebody was like, oh my God,you wanna go to Vegas with me
tomorrow?
And you're like, yeah, my God,that sounds great.
And then you wake up tomorrowand you're like, what did I do?
I don't.
Mm-hmm.
What?
So if you allow yourself thetime to go through that full
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emotional wave, what seemed likea really great idea when you
were excited, you're gonna feeldifferently about it by the time
you ride the wave down and cometo a neutral place.
So true.
That neutral place is where youare meant to then make the
commitment from because you haveallowed enough time for all the
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information to come in, and alsolike your emotions are telling
you different things.
Like what felt exciting to youat first?
You are like, then you thinkabout it and you sit with it and
you're like, well, ah, you knowwhat?
I actually don't wanna do that.
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So your idea of what you wannado could definitely change.
So riding that emotional wave,allowing yourself to come to a
place of being neutral, whereyou're not too excited, you're
not too upset, you're just like,yeah, okay.
I feel grounded in thisdecision.
My gut says yes, okay, let's doit.
Or you know, my gut says, no, Ifeel terrible about this right
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now.
I'm in a neutral place, nothappening and I'm not doing it.
So knowing that you have to giveyourself the patience of moving
through those emotions will saveyou a lot of Trouble.
Trouble frustrations?
Yes.
I've been on both sides of that.
Yes.
Because people who areemotionally defined, they tend
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to, you know, want to react fromtheir emotions and that is the
test here is to not react, tojust feel it and wait.
And I feel like when we react tosomething in the moment is when
we tend to get in trouble.
We say things that we regret, wecommit to things that we regret.
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And so learning to benon-reactive, you know, really
is.
The challenge for the people whohave emotional definition.
That makes a lot of sense.
I've been challenged lately withthings like that in my life.
And even the other day I was ona podcast and.
I didn't know that I was beingset up when I went on this
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podcast.
Whoa.
And in a challenging way.
And so there was a piece ofinformation that was thrown at
me and not in a, in a verysalty, very shady way.
And I just sat there and Ithought, this isn't my house.
I'm not going to be rude.
I'm just going to navigate pastthis.
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I'm not going to engage with it.
I'm gonna navigate past it.
So I do turn, and it, and theenergy, you know, the energy
flipped and it was lovely, blah,blah, blah.
Well, guess what?
That person was coming on mypodcast the next day.
So I had an opportunity to sitwith some things that evening
and the universe was like, nowyou know why you felt like
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something was off.
And I was like, yeah.
And that morning, just whatyou're saying before the
interview, I didn't.
Wanna have this person then,because she had already
pre-warned me that she was gonnabring up the same topic on my
show.
And I thought, how, so I had myblueprint of how I was gonna
navigate the show.
And when you talked about likeyou're gonna have a reaction in
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your body when I tell you thatmy nervous system was on edge
and shaking beforehand.
Oh wow.
Because I knew what was coming,but I also was given exactly
what to say and which was quitepowerful.
And so I had my blueprint ofquestions and we're going
through and I thought, okay,this is great.
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There was a storm coming outsideand I had prepared her for this.
I said, you know, I dunno howthis is gonna go.
She took one of the questions,manipulated it, turned it into
where she wanted to bring in theinformation that she threw at me
at and her.
Oh my God.
And that's when I looked at theperson and I said.
Well, I'd like to know what's sotriggering about my podcast for
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you.
There's lots of differentEmpowered within podcasts.
Yeah, I, what is it about methat's triggering you?
And it was dead silence.
And she goes, well, I didn'tknow there were other podcasts
named that.
And I said, there's a ton.
And it was like, here to here.
It was interesting because shewas doing it in a way of coming
(20:03):
at it allegedly from Love andLight, but No, no, no, no, You
sought me out.
And again, I navigated theenergies and changed it by the
end.
Yeah.
And then lo and behold, I foundout some stuff that happened and
I went, oh, she projectedeverything onto me.
You know, I forgive her.
You know, it is what it is.
But I thought.
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My old self.
Ooh.
My old self one would've lefther podcast.
My other, my old self on mypodcast would've shut her down
and just been like, we're notdoing this.
Yeah.
But I, I was like, no, I'm gonnakeep on the trajectory here and
work through and set my healthyboundary, stand in my lane.
(20:45):
Right.
Learn that empowerment fromwithin what's right and what's
wrong.
And, you know, at the end of theday, it's my podcast.
I'll edit whatever I want.
yeah.
I love, you know, I mean, she'sgonna leave it out the way that
she did, which is fine.
That's her podcast.
But it, it's, so I wanted toshare all this because what
you're saying about thereactions Yeah.
I have such a physical reactionwhen something is not good.
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And when I tell you shaking, Imean Yeah.
Like, and it's, it'suncontrollable.
Wow.
I, and it's.
It took you so much to learn howto be with that.
Well, and to navigate it.
'cause you have to navigate ofis this as dangerous as it
feels?
Is this as much of a threat aswhat it feels?
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Yeah.
Or am I just getting thisserious heads up of you're about
to walk into a situation and youneed, you know, you need to have
all your shields up, et cetera,et cetera.
And so that's, that's taken timeto learn, and to discern.
Yeah.
So totally.
I love that example because ittalks to how your body.
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Is very aware and your mind waslike, I'm okay.
I gotta pause.
I don't know where to go withthis.
But your body is like warning,warning, something's not right.
Oh, my whole normal selfwouldn't have even done either.
No, I would've never.
But the, it was one of those,no, I knew there was something,
and at the end it ended up beinga beautiful, both ended up being
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beautiful podcasts between usand the energies.
And you could tell this was adivine meeting.
It was set up.
But it was interesting in howshe came in and then wanted to
cha, you know, and so I juststood in my lane and was like,
this is where, you know, I'mstanding.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, no, that powerfulexample for her.
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To show her like, no, no, no.
You can't steamroll me.
No.
And I looked at it like on her.
I mean, I was so shell shockedwhen I was on her podcast that I
was like.
What do I even say to that?
And so meanwhile, I had actuallyalready answered that question
off air.
So she knew It became, it wasit, became, a situation about
the name of my podcast, whichwas divinely given to me from
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God.
empowered within, and thenstrategically business wise, you
add your name, you addsomething, because if you ever
want to hand it off, there is avalue to that.
So there's a piece of advice foranyone who wants podcast or even
a YouTube show.
You always add something to itso that there is value, so you
can extract yourself and putsomeone else into it.
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Mm-hmm.
And so she has the domain nameEmpowered Within oh.com, which I
had looked at years ago, but Ididn't really need it because
everything goes through jenniferpilates.com.
So it wasn't a big deal for me,but for whatever reason in my
podcast.
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Because of the wonderfulpublicity that it has was coming
up.
Every time someone put inEmpowered was in to look for
her.
And so, but I didn't know that.
Like I didn't, yeah.
What do I know?
I'm just doing what I'm guidedto do.
And so she was doing what shewas guided to do.
And once we got to that plateau,then it all made sense for
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everybody.
But it didn't quite start outthat way.
Wow.
And I really had to sit with itbecause I knew that there was a
deeper meaning there.
I knew that there was somethingdeeper and you know what?
We came, we became likebeautiful friends by the end.
Aw.
But it was how it started thatit was so jarring to me.
Yeah.
Because after everything thatI've been through the last, well
(24:25):
my whole life, let alone thelast two years, it's like, God
bless you if you think you'regonna cross me.
God bless you.
You don't know who you'redealing with.
God bless you.
I've been like, so it was sofascinating.
I was impressed with myself,honestly.
Yeah.
Because my old self would nothave been so articulate or kind.
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Yeah.
It sounds like you are verygracious.
Yeah.
You know, because you have tolearn and you have to grow.
Right.
And you have to go through likewhat you're saying through the
chart, ex's feeling things andunderstanding and looking at
everything with grace andsaying, well, what's, what's
really here?
And that was the blessing thatthe universe gave to me, of me
being on her show first toprepare me for what was coming
(25:12):
to my show.
So I had all night to think andI was like, what?
And then I'm like, well, what,how am I triggering her?
Like, what's the issue here?
Yeah.
And so that's what it, you know,became about.
But yeah, no, those visceralreactions, I mean.
I have significant ones, withinmy body.
I mean, even just going to thegrocery store, like there are
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hard yeses and hard nos all dayfor me.
And you are somebody who itsounds like lives in alignment
with those.
I try.
Feelings.
Like you allow your body toguide you.
I really have.
I I really, it's numbing it allout, numbing out and then right.
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And I've done that.
I've, I've gone through thestages of numbing it out.
I've gone through the stages ofnot knowing anything, and now
I'm really wholeheartedly in asurrender to, I'm going with the
flow.
What does that look like?
What does that mean?
Even down to my businesschanging and rebranding and
things changing, and I'm, guideme.
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Yeah.
Where do you need me?
What's, and that's not how Ialways operated because.
Of how I grew up and who I am.
There was always that protectiveof, those shields that were up.
So it's so interesting that Ihave a defined sacral center
because my first half of my lifetalk about never being in your
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body and never grounded.
And I was always trying toground through my, that was the
one thing that everyone wouldalways say.
Like, look at your sacral is offyour sock.
If something goes out, it'salways my si.
So any of my stuff, any, eversince my car accident in 97, any
of my kind of stuff, the, it'salways the si it's always the
sacral area that, that it areaspeaks to me.
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Wow.
Mm-hmm.
Have you experienced, like,burnout a lot through work?
I can.
I have to be very careful.
Yeah.
Because I.
Very, like, I can go all in.
I can really burn myself out Ican really just go, go, go, go,
go.
And the last nine months hasbeen quite the shift for me of
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learning this balance to balanceout better.
And now I'm aware of, okay, thisis the energies of when you live
in certain places where you feelthis way.
This is how you feel here.
And basically I have prayed uponhow can I bring them together in
a happy place so I don't have togo from one to another and I can
just be and not burn out.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it's so easy for me tojust, I could sit if I'm in flow
and in alignment and I did thisthe other day, I forget what I
was doing.
I mean, I would say five hourswent by.
I don't even think I had a sipof water.
Oh, wow.
But I was so in it.
Yeah.
That's what was happening.
That's amazing.
I love that.
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Like, ugh, low state, you know,you're like, in your wheelhouse,
you're doing your thing.
Mm-hmm.
Like, this is what I'm here todo right now.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
It's really special.
And that's why human design isso important.
And the astrology is soimportant because the more you
know about yourself, the more itmakes sense.
And then you're like, oh no,this is a me thing.
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Yeah.
This is how I operate.
I need to, you spend all thattime on your car trying to
figure out the seats and theradio and blah, blah, blah.
Why would you not figure it outwithin yourselves?
Figure out how your own body andenergy system functions.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
And the world is such a betterplace.
And you are such an empoweredbadass at that point.
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Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Because you, the example youjust gave you, nobody can mess
with you when you know.
Like, oh, something's up hereand I am going to tune in and
pay attention how to navigatethis.
Right.
Shooting coming up.
Right?
Because someone can be coming atyou with one projection of
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energy, but really behind that,generally speaking is someone
that's hurt.
Yeah.
And the question is, is why arethey hurt?
Yeah.
And you really like nailed thatwith that question of what is
triggering you.
And it kind of flipped it on itshead for here.
Totally.
Totally.
And, and it was just like.
Then it was just like, okay,can, can we, you know, just I'm
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here to highlight you, right?
Like, I'm, I'm here to do you.
And like I said, it, it becametwo beautiful people coming
together who divinely were giventhe same name at different times
for different reasons.
And she's such a talented,energetic human being.
I mean, I would refer, just likeI would refer people to you, I
would refer people to her.
So it was like, it was sointeresting how it, how that
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angst brought us together tobring beautiful energy together.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, and I think thatspeaks to the times, to the
eclipse season, to the 2025numerology, my goodness.
Right?
Anything that isn't authentic isgoing to be exposed, you know,
any person, place, or thing.
And so I just feel like it wasjust such a beautiful, I mean,
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'cause you figure my podcast isgonna be four years old in May.
Hmm.
So that's a lot of energy forsomeone to hold onto for a
while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, so I'm just happy thatit was able to get cleared out
and released in the eclipseseason.
That's amazing.
Mm-hmm.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
And I got a new friend out of itand she, you know, she's
amazing.
Like she would be such a greatperson in our wheelhouse.
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Yeah.
But it was so weird how itstarted.
Yeah.
And I was, and I felt like itwas just such a huge test from
the universe.
Yeah.
And it's really showed you likeyour own evolution and
progression of like Wow.
The contrast between how the oldme would've handled this versus
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who I am now because I've spentthe time to get to know myself.
Mm-hmm.
I've spent the time to be withthe feelings in my body and
discern what they're telling me.
Right.
And that's what human design iswanting us to do.
That's how it's guiding us todo.
So it's so powerful in thatregard because we are energy at
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the end of the day.
Like, yes, we have thesephysical bodies, but we are
energy and how our energy wantsto work, and the specific way in
which the frequency we are at isgoing to call in or repel other
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types of energies, right?
And so it's all about like, howdo I fine tune my energy, raise
my frequency, being the mostauthentic version of myself?
And that's, that is the keythere.
Like the more authentic, themore true and honoring to
yourself that you can be, thehigher your frequency and the
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more in alignment.
Opportunities and people you'llcall in.
It's that resonance.
So, that's what really draws meto it, is that it's this huge
permission slip that says be yougo all in on what's right for
you and the universe will takecare of the rest.
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100%.
Yeah.
So the next part of your designthen is called your profile.
And your profile is made up oftwo different numbers.
And it's interesting because,it's like we have this binary of
consciousness, this part of usthat's, we're acutely aware of
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those, our personality, who wethink we are versus our design,
the unconscious part of us whowe really are.
And other people will know usmore for who we really are than
who we think we are.
And so people will see in ustraits, ways of being that we
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don't necessarily know we hold.
And so the profile isilluminates that for us, helps
us to see oh, this is a wholeother side of me that I wasn't
very aware of.
And now that I can see this, Ican start to accept more parts
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of me.
So you are what's called a fiveone profile, which is nicknamed
the Heretic Investigator.
So the line five is the hereticand it's called the heretic
because you are somebody, theLine five.
Energy is the energy of.
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Somebody who gets projected onto be like the savior.
You don't say, you know how tofix my problems, and I am going
to come to you and expect thatyou come up with a solution for
me because I don't know what todo.
And so the quality of yoursolution then is your reputation
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hangs on that.
So no pressure.
No pressure.
So, so for a line five, it'ssuper important that you are
aware of your own limitations.
Like what actually can I solveand what can't I solve?
And leave those things alone.
Because if you say oh, sure,yeah, okay, yeah, I'll try and
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help you and fix it, and thenyou don't, and you can't, then
they're like, you don't knowwhat you're talking about.
You know?
Right.
So.
Know that people are projectingonto you based on the energy
that you have, that you aresomebody who knows how to solve
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problems and come up with theseout of the box solutions.
And if you can't, then they'llburn you at the stake.
The hair, that's where thatcomes from.
So you have the energy of aleader, the energy.
It's also called like thegeneral, you step in times of
going to battle and you directpeople like, this is the way we
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wanna go.
This is what you wanna do.
And then as soon as thesituation, the battle is over,
you can feel like you'reinvisible.
And suddenly nobody's calling onyou.
And you're like, wait a minute.
I was, did I not just save you?
Did I not just save your life?
I was so popular an hour ago,and now I'm like a wallflower.
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So take that as downtime untilthe next emergency, once
somebody needs you again.
That's just the cycle for That'strue.
Aligned five.
So yeah, the importance of beingaware that people see you that
way and they are going to cometo you expecting this, and then,
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okay, what can I do and whatcan't I do?
And being really clear and thenhaving boundaries around that of
I'm sorry, I don't have whatyou're looking for.
Right.
Then the line one.
The line one is what's known asthe investigator, so it's the,
like the foundation.
The line numbers go one throughsix.
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Line one at the base is thefoundation where you are
somebody who, this is theunconscious part of you.
Okay.
Who, wants to know all thedetails in order to feel secure.
You have to know everythingabout it in order to feel like I
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can wrap my head around this andI feel good moving forward for
Align One, researching things,asking questions, reading books,
studying, like really knowingeverything about a topic is very
important to you.
So.
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If we were gonna go out todinner, you would be the one
looking up the menu online,finding out the parking
situation.
Do we have reservations?
What's the best time to goreading the reviews?
I have such an example to giveto you.
So when I wasn't living near mymom and she would come and
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visit, like one, I used to be,I've done numerous things in my
life, but I've been an eventplanner.
I've, done all this stuff.
So there would be a binder.
So whether she came for threedays or four days or 10 days,
there was a binder.
Oh my God.
And there were events so much.
There were events for every day.
There were three events forevery day, because you don't
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know how you're gonna feel andwhat does something change?
Options.
Options.
You have to have options, butyou also have to, and then this,
at this one point, we started inScottsdale and we were driving
all the way up to Grand Canyon.
So I had weaved the way of the,exactly what you're saying.
I knew where we were gonna stopfor water.
I knew where we were.
Like, I obsess and love doingthings like that and people
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don't understand why I wouldrather drive cross country than
get in a plane and go, and thislast time, like a month or so
ago, I did get in a plane and itwas fine.
But I love the journey and Ilove planning stuff like that.
Oh my gosh.
I love, oh, that's like heavenTo me, that elements of control
too, you think because you'vegot a plan, it's all laid out
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and that gives you security ofokay, well if this goes wrong,
then I can go this way, I can dothis.
You have a backup and And youneed that and that's correct for
you.
Right?
So just owning, I love that.
That's actually makes me feelgood.
And when I feel secure, I cantake bigger risks in the world.
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Oh, I love looking at it thatway.
Yeah, I love that.
Maybe owning this is good forme, this is what I need in order
to show up in a bigger way.
Oh, I love that.
So I wanna ask this question.
So the five one, and this is sospot on for me, everyone
listening, watching does thefive, because I also am a life
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path, five.
Oh, is that, is it?
I was wondering if that's acoincidence or if, well, I like
to say there are nocoincidences, right?
I don't really mean coincidenceseither, because five, right?
Like they come into the worldand it's all about adventure and
this and that, and learning howto balance fear and insecurities
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with having an adventure.
So everything that you'redescribing is describing my
number five, which has taken me.
All this time in my life tofigure out, yeah.
Yeah.
Like I can go and live inFlorida.
If I have a travel van outsidethat's ready to go in case
there's a hurricane, then yes,then I can go and live there.
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And there is no problem.
Right?
Like we just solve the five oneissue and the number of life
path.
Like it just makes so much moresense.
And I think that that, what Iwant people to hear is like, for
me anyways, being a five one,exactly what Heather is saying.
I can get on my unicorn and flyall day long, but I also have to
have logic about where I'mflying to and how I'm getting
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back.
Yep.
And being able to wrap my headaround something.
Yeah.
So to be able to have both ofthose and to hear it coming from
you now it's like, oh my God,and even though I know some of
this, when it comes from someoneelse, it has more weight and
it's validation.
Right.
It's validation of owning whoyou are.
Versus who people are projectingonto you or saying you are.
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So you have, oh, you have abinder.
Oh, you, oh, little mis controlhas a binder.
Do you know what I'm saying?
No, there's a reason.
Yeah.
And really owning that and belike, yeah, I have a binder.
And its always glittery too.
It's glittery and it's got pensand highlighters.
Yeah.
You're gonna be thanking me whenit's time to eat.
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Exactly.
Oh, don't get me going on what Ipart, what I pack for a car
trip, especially when I'mdriving cross country.
Oh my God.
Even if I'm going eight hours,like I'd rather go eight hours
than go an hour.
An hour.
20 minutes to me is, oh God,it's so painful.
I'm like, really?
Like I have to drive like 20minutes.
Oh my God.
Like, oh, I can drive.
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Oh, we're going.
It's, I'm like, oh, it's eighthours.
Awesome.
Lemme get my pillow in myblanket.
Oh my God.
You're in for it.
The whole journey.
In, oh God, sorry.
The sun is like, no, I love iton you.
As long as it's okay for you,I'm good.
But the lighting is probablyterrible.
No, it's totally fine.
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So I love that.
I love the validations thatyou're giving.
I love, oh my God.
Like I just wanna go get abinder right now and go get a
yes.
Own that show you that is soyou, it's so me to make plans.
Like even like the universedrops a hint and I'm already
researching it and I don't evenknow if that's gonna happen and
I'm already got, yeah.
Oh God.
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Mm-hmm.
But that's, that's right.
Because then it gives you thetime to think through all the
scenarios.
And even just.
Thinking through the scenariosis comforting.
Well, it's comforting and for meit helps release a lot of fear
and insecurities around,especially around decisions,
whether it's business or life ormoving that are ones that are
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going to stretch me.
Yeah.
Which is why I am here.
Being life path five being, youknow, I do require some sort of
adventure, but hey, the grocerystore can be an adventure too.
But I also am a homebody andreally like to Nestle and all
that kind of jazz, so Yeah.
Oh, oh, I feel so good rightnow.
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Oh, that's amazing.
I actually did prepare like afull report for you that I'm,
I'll email it to you.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
You're so sweet.
Thank you.
Yeah, because I was like, it'sgonna help me prepare for this.
Oh, this is so, oh, I'm justlike, I've goosebumps.
I'm so excited.
I just wanna plan a trip.
I'm like, good.
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I got your juices going.
Your, it explains why I was sucha good wedding coordinator and
event coordinator when I didthat.
Oh, I was in seventh heaven.
Seventh.
I bet.
I bet you were.
And the next part is thechannels, which we don't even
have time to get into becauselike, we're almost an hour
already, but Oh my God, Ididn't, when you read through
your channels, you're gonna belike, oh, now it makes even more
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sense.
It's like all the differentparts of your design align to
explain like why you are the wayyou are.
Okay.
So here's a question that I havebecause I don't know the answer
to this.
Okay.
In looking at human design, isthere a place within there that
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guide someone to maybe whattheir life path is?
Why they're here?
Yes.
Okay.
So that is going to be yourincarnation cross.
And the incarnation cross is theenergy of the conscious sun,
conscious earth, unconscioussun, unconscious earth.
So it's the first two gates, theof the unconscious and the
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unconscious side.
So the sun energy is like 70%of, what you radiate out into
the world.
So a combination, but the earthis what?
What grounds you?
So, you know, we've got the sun.
It's like how we shine and thenthe earth is like our grounding
force.
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So when we combine those fourdifferent gates, it tells us the
incarnation cross, which is likethe synopsis of your potential,
of what you're here to do ifyou're living according to your
strategy of your, energy typeand your authority.
So your strategy is to respond.
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Your authority is to wait theemotional wave.
So when you do that, theenergies that move through you,
explain that so I can tell youwhat yours is.
So you have the left angle crossof defiance.
Sounds like I'm naughty.
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It's a combination of a gate ofreceptivity, the gate of
creativity, the gate of.
Sensitivity and the gate ofmental solutions.
Ooh, what a mixed bag we've gotgoing on there.
Yeah.
What do we do with that?
Yeah.
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So it's people who always seemto defy the collective's general
direction by following their ownhands down.
And the ability to move othersaway from the status quo.
So you are like here to be like,Hey everybody, why you going
that way?
What about this way over here?
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It totally aligns with yourprofile of being like outta the
box solutions and so everythingjust like back my whole life has
been that if everyone's goingright, I'm going left.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's a very short synopsis.
Yeah.
I love that.
That's cool.
There's a book I have called theBook of Destinies that gives
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like a very long description ofeveryone, so that's always fun
to, to read.
Oh yeah.
We'll have to link that forpeople.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would be real.
Any other questions?
Yes, so I had one and, but Ithink you touched on it a little
bit.
Okay.
I wanted to know if there's anarea in the human design chart
where it points out like where abetter environment for someone,
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for someone, a specific personto be like, oh, you're, you're
actually really, you know, drawnto the sun or Oh no, you're
actually better in a colderenvironment.
Or Oh, you're actually, I wasone wondering'cause I didn't
know the answer to that.
Yeah.
So there is, a specific part ofyour design that's called
environments and that will tellyou where.
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You are most like aligned to be.
So let me find yours.
That's good, because there's alot going on behind these
scenes.
There's a, yeah, it's good.
Well, you know, there, there'salways a lot going on with me,
but really there's a lot goingon behind the scenes, but
really, okay, let find yours.
Oh, this is so flipping fast.
See, I think these are thequestions that people don't
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know.
Yeah.
Because I feel like there's alot of people out there who
claim like, oh, I'm gonna doyour human design chart, but
don't go to the depth.
Heather's been doing thisforever, so she's like digging
in like layer to layer, likepeeling you back and, and that's
what I want people to know.
And that's only the people thatI work with that are so
authentic that are the expertsin with what they do.
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So yours is called markets.
So for you, like you work wellwhen you can.
See things that are laid out.
Like you're not somebody who'sgoing to want to hide everything
behind a cabinet door.
You want things kind of likevisible so you can see them and
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you do okay or well, working in,like a coffee shop or a busy
type of environment wherethere's like a lot of other
energy happening, a lot of otherpeople, there's movement.
You can see things you haveaccess to.
Oh, I'm gonna go get a coffeeand, oh, I wanna go talk to that
person over there.
And like, you just haveeverything you need in that
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space.
It helps you to be able to likedial in and get your.
Whatever you need to get done.
Versus me, I'm a cavesenvironment.
It's pretty much the opposite.
I'm like, I'm going to go to myown quiet place.
I'm going, nobody bother me.
It's funny, that's what I wouldthink that I am, because that's
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kind of how I've been working.
But there are times like evenwhen I'm working though, I'm
watching the birds outside or ifI'm sitting and there's like a
water fountain, like, but Iguess, I don't know, I just
haven't been around people verymuch.
Yeah.
Maybe experiment with it.
Maybe I need to experi.
Yeah.
I need to like and because maybeit ener will energize you in a
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new way.
Yeah.
Like vibing off of otherpeople's energy, even if you're
not interacting with them.
Just their presence would likelight things up for you.
It's like being on an adventureand not all at the same time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, interesting.
So that's work-wise.
Is there anything that tells youabout environments for living?
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Well, this would apply to, sofor example, then in your, like
home area living, the marketswould apply as you want to be
able to see what you have.
You don't want it like my, I'mobs this.
Oh, I, if I open up my closet, Iwanna see all my flip flops that
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match all my sundresses.
Yeah.
But in my kitchen, I wanteverything nice and neat and
clean.
Right?
But yes, no, when it comes tostuff like, yes, I do much
better when I can see, yeah.
Where is everything and wherethat is now, how would that play
out in the geographical areamarkets?
Or is that something verydifferent?
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Like, so Yeah.
Yeah, this wouldn't really,doesn't do that.
You could have the marketsenvironment no matter where you
are geographically.
Got it.
Yeah.
So this isn't likeastrocartography, it's more like
what is the kind of environmentin which I'm gonna flourish?
Oh yeah.
I need to see all my books out.
I need to, and I like to likemake colors and you know, those
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people, they were doing arainbow with their books for a
while, and I got obsessed withthat.
But because I've been on thisjourney, the last.
Two years.
I have not had the advantage toreally do that with my stuff
because I've been living inother people's environments
short, you know, Airbnbs,whatever it is.
Yeah.
so I have my stuff around, but Ihaven't been able to ground and
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nest in that.
So I've been very challenged inI bet in that area.
Very, very challenged.
Yeah.
But yeah, when I have my ownplace, oh my gosh.
And I also grew up where mymother would literally, like
every season, change the entirehouse.
Oh, wow.
So your room, your sheets, yourcurtains, your comforters, like,
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it was so cool.
Which ironically goes with mynumber five, which is, I, it's
so ironic.
I need change.
But I equally need stability andsecurity at the same time.
Yeah.
So it's how do you bring thatinto your life?
And I feel like a lot of empathsand highly sensitive people are
like that.
How do you bring the adventureto you in a safe, secure way?
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Yeah.
And it's the little ways likethat.
I let the market, you saidmarkets, and I immediately
thought of Mexico.
I thought of Puerto of Vallartamarket and I was like, markets
we're going to Puerto Vallarta.
That's where my head went.
I love, well, if you think aboutit, when you're walking through
a market, everything's ondisplay.
I love that.
Where you're choosing and you'relike, oh, do I want this?
Do I want that?
Give away.
It's like a farmer's market.
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Or back in the day, they used tohave this huge flea market in
Fort Myers, Florida.
If anyone's ever been, it was,no, it was miles and miles and
miles long.
Oh my God.
Like I love something, likethere's just something cool
about it.
Like you're saying, everything'sout and touchy feely and Yeah.
And that's for you how you wouldflourish in your like.
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Media environment.
Isn't this so cool everyone?
I mean, these are all the littlenuances that I feel like you
don't always know to ask.
Yeah.
Or that you don't even reallyknow that's in your chart.
And it may not be the be forthat person that's reading for
you.
And that's why I think it's sogreat that we, Heather was so
wonderful that wanted to comeback and do this today so that
we could dive and go intodifferent angles and look at
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different things, with thecharts as we close up.
Because Heather's time isprecious.
And we could, I would go talk toher for hours and on end I could
say yes.
I could go on.
I mean, easily, easily.
What would you like people toknow about human design?
What do you want people to takeaway?
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Knowing how you can truly helpand benefit their life with what
you bring to the table withhuman design and your knowledge
and expertise.
Yeah, that's such a greatquestion.
So what drew me to human designwas I felt really stuck in my
life at the moment where it wasintroduced to me.
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I was like living for otherpeople.
I was exhausted.
I didn't even really know who Iwas because I lived based on the
outside influencing my insideand human design, like flipped
it for me.
It gave me an understanding ofwho I am on the inside so that I
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could start to project that intomy outside world.
So it changed my focus andchanging your focus from
external to internal.
It gave me the opportunity tobuild a relationship with myself
that I hadn't before and toreally understand who I am and.
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How I am in the world.
What is the influence that myenergy has?
What is it that I am here to do?
Because it's not to just be, thesupport person or the person
that's on call, like looking tosolve everybody else's issues
all the time.
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No, I'm here to do something.
That's for me.
And so when you have that morefoundational sense of purpose,
that's no, my life is for me.
I have something I'm here to dothat's de independent of the
people in my life.
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It really changes everything.
And for me, I just became a lotmore fulfilled and a lot happier
because suddenly I felt.
This deeper calling, this deeperconnection and my life, I, it
kind of fucked it all up in thebest way possible because
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everything that was out ofalignment had to go.
And as soon as I started livingin alignment, bit by bit, I
watch these things that theserelationships, these
circumstances just fall out ofmy life.
And it, of course, it waspainful, but you have to
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sometimes go through that tocome back into alignment and
then things get better than youcould have ever imagined.
Right.
It sounds like quite the Phoenixmoment.
Some would say, definitely acome to Jesus moment.
Definitely.
You articulated it beautifullyin expressing.
The lessons and the blessingsthrough it all.
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And when you say that it effedit up, like it really just took
the deck of cards and threw itall up, but it came down into a
beautiful house of cards with afoundation that it doesn't sound
like you had prior.
Exactly, exactly.
So it's not for the faked ofheart.
No, it isn't.
But it is when, and I feel likeagain, right now we are in 2025.
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This is a number nine frickingyear for the world.
And God bless you if you were ina personal number nine year,
we're here to help you becauseI've been through it.
And my number nine yearpersonally, I checked every box.
Like I don't even know how Icame out of it.
Like every box.
So this is the time to dive intoyou and who are you and why are
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you here?
And you know, that is always theessence that I start with when
people come to me.
Because you don't know what youdon't know until you know.
And then when you know better,well, it's time to do better.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
So I just feel like it alignsyou with your mission in life.
To say it in the most simpleway.
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Absolutely.
Like why you're here.
It's so amazing.
Well, all of Heather'sinformation is going to be over
in the shownotes@jenniferpilates.com.
Don't forget, if you have notlistened or watched our first
episode, please jump back and dothat, because you know, we just
have so much fun together andwe're fabulous and you should go
check it out because there is somuch more depth in the layers of
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the human design that we talkedabout there too.
So lots more gems there.
Heather, as we close out today,is there one last piece of
inspiration advice that you'dlike to leave with us today?
I'd say it's never too late.
It's never too late to likereally get to know yourself and
explore who you are and the moretime you spend, really going
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inwards.
It's pays off in spades, likeyour life really just expands
from that place of like inwardclarity.
Beautiful.
I love that.
Thank you so much, Heather, foryour energies, for your insights
for coming back.
You are such a ray of light andI'm so honored to have you in my
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life.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me,Jennifer.
It's, I'm so glad that our pathscrossed and we met, and it's
been so fun to get tocollaborate with you.
It really has.
Well, I look forward to manymore collaborations in the
future.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, as we say everyone, untilnext time, may you live an
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Empowered Life from Within.
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Hi there and welcome to a new
episode of Empowered Within.
I'm your host, Jennifer Pilates,and I am over the moon honored
and excited to have with ustoday's guest and my friend
Heather O'Donnell, AKA high vibeHeather.
Heather is a certified energyhealer and human design guide
who teaches others how to healon an energetic level in order
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to connect with their purposeand transform their lives.
And boy, let me tell you, she ishere to do that for us today.
Welcome to the show, Heather.
Hi, Jennifer.
Thank you so much for having me.
Such an honor to be with herewith you again, and I'm excited
for the show today where I getto actually do a human design
reading for you.
I know, I'm so excited.
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So for those of you just jumpingin, we have a part one where
Heather and I did a greatinterview and really took a deep
dive into human design, andafterwards we decided, Hey, why
don't we go deeper with reallylooking at a human design chart,
because why not?
And let's help other people toexplore it and see what happens
with that.
So before we dive in, please,Heather, share with us a little
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bit, give us a little backgroundof human design for those who
might not have caught our firstepisode yet.
Yeah, so I like to describe itas a combination of astrology
and the chakra system.
It's made up of these fouresoteric systems, um, including
the Kabbalah and um, the ech.
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Those are the other elements ofit, but it takes these, all of
these systems together, the fourof them, and it makes a really
detailed, nuanced, energeticblueprint for who you are, who
you came into this world to be.
So it's about these differentarchetypes that we embody and
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how those archetypes show up inour lives and give us the
specific type of energy that weare meant to move from.
So.
That's why it's really hard tosay like generalizations and put
people into a box because we'reall so unique and when you know
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what your unique strengths areand how your energy wants to
work, it gives you this likeguidepost, this map for how to
move through life with the mostease.
I love it.
I'm so excited to dive in withyou.
I've been doing my homework.
I've been doing my own research.
You know, I love human design, Ilove astrology, numerology, all
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of it.
And so, but lately I've reallybeen diving more into human
design.
I went down a rabbit hole and Ifigured out, based on my human
design, what colors I'm supposedto be using in my business to
energetically be in alignmentand then to attract people in
alignment with me.
I.
Whoa.
I didn't even know that was po.
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I didn't know that was a thing.
Did you know that was a thing?
I didn't know that was a thing.
I didn't know that was a thing.
You can like go in so manytangents with human design.
So many.
Yes.
As far as like what, how to eatfor your digestion.
The type of environments arethat are best for you to like
work or meet people in Oh yes,let's know, let's dive.
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It's like, yeah.
Oh my god, there's so much.
There's so much.
It's so ba when I do like ageneral reading, it's fun to
dive into all those little nittygritty details, but obviously
you can go through life and notknow the colors that are correct
for your business and you know,do pretty Okay.
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Hundred percent.
I love to like highlight andfocus on what are the really big
pieces that.
Are going to on the day-to-daybasis guide you love it.
And even just focusing on thosethings, a reading is 90 minutes
and it's hard to like cram intothat, we're not even gonna get
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into all of that today becauseit, well, you know, the stage is
yours.
It's, it's a rarity that I handover the stage, but the stage is
yours, so I love it.
Thank you so much.
What an honor You are.
So welcome.
So, like I said, it's based onastrology, so depending on when
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and where you were born, thatspecific time is going to give
you a very specific imprintingof planetary energies.
And so based on your birth timeand location, we were able to.
Pull up your chart and you are,and I know we had a little bit
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of a discussion around this, butyour energy type is a generator.
I'm a generator, I'm a five one.
Right?
You are a Yes.
A five.
And I'm generator.
I'm embracing it.
You're embracing it.
That's amazing.
Mm-hmm.
I'm embracing it.
Yeah.
You have a lot of energy in yourchart.
so there are nine energy centersand these are representing the
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chakra system.
You have seven of them defined,for, is that a good thing?
For example, I only have threedefined, so it's just, you know,
everybody's different.
There's no good, bad, better,worse.
It just is what it is.
It just means like you on yourown generate a lot of energy.
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So for those that don't know thedifference between defined and
undefined, what does that mean?
That when I have seven, you saiddefined Yes.
Energy.
So we've got these nine energycenters in the human design
system that we work with,starting with the crown, the
mind, the throat center.
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we've got the self center, whichis also ruled by the heart
center.
And then we've got the sacralcenter, the Solar Plexus Center,
the spleen center, the rootcenter.
So we've got all of thesedifferent energies within us.
And so when you have themdefined, the way we determine
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that, it all goes back to the 64gates.
So inside of everyone's chart,there's these 64 numbers and
they're in the same place ineveryone's chart.
The only difference is whichones you have.
Activated or defined by theplanet, at that moment you were
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born.
So everybody's gotta havedifferent combination just
depending on the astrology ofthat moment.
So those gates, when you have agate from one center that meets
a gate from an opposing centerthat forms a channel, and
wherever we have a channel, thecenter on either side then
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becomes defined.
So you have a lot of channels,which means you have a lot of
defined centers.
So when a center is defined,activated, that's kind of
interchangeable.
It means you are generatingenergy in that particular chakra
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center, the centers that areundefined.
So just to give some clarityhere mm-hmm.
The act as receiving dishes,meaning they are like, little
satellites, like taking ininformation from your,
surroundings, from theenvironment, from the people
you're around.
Okay.
So undefined means you are,yeah.
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You're taking, you're receyou're more receptive to taking
on ideas, thoughts, other fromthings around you.
Whereas when you're defined thatenergy's coming from you, like
you're rooted, you're grounded,you make the decisions, you're
not being influenced by stuffaround you.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Okay.
Yep.
So that's the difference.
So the more centers you havedefined, the more energy you are
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generating, putting out into theworld versus receiving energy
from the world, if that makessense.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So we do have these five energytypes, and you are what's called
a generator.
And we determine that becauseyou have your sacral center
defined.
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So the sacral center is thecenter of life force, vitality,
sexuality, creativity.
And if you have that centerdefined, then you are somebody
who has access to that type ofenergy throughout your whole
life on a very consistent basis.
So what that looks like is youwake up in the morning and
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you're ready to go.
You like to just go, go, go.
Keep busy, keep busy.
And generators are meant to dothe work.
They're here to do work.
Not every type is here to dothat.
And that's really interesting,isn't it?
Because it is interesting, ourcondition to believe in.
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We're in a society where.
We have to, you know, unless youfind your way around that.
But that's the caveat.
But as a generator, it's, youwant to do work because you have
the energy and it's just sittingaround doing nothing is probably
pretty difficult for you.
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Sit on your hands and be like,oh, okay, rest.
It's very challenging.
Very challenging.
Yeah.
And so you are meant to use yourenergy throughout the day doing
work that you love.
So it's not just any work, butwork that you love.
And as you do work that youlove, it's it's like a
self-feeding, it feeds you, itnourishes you, it gives you more
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energy, and that's that feelingof satisfaction that you receive
from putting in a good day'swork.
so there's.
These thematic, feelings thatwill let you know whether you're
in alignment or out ofalignment.
So for a generator, the thematicfeelings are, that feeling of
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satisfaction from like, yes, I,I use my energy today doing
something I really love to do,and I feel satisfied.
Versus the feeling offrustration, which comes when
you do things out of obligationor like, oh, somebody's gotta do
it.
So I've got the energy.
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I might as well.
So I love to say to generators,just because you can doesn't
mean you should, becauseotherwise we would spend all of
our energy just doing all thethings that need to be done and
take on too much, and then youget resentful and like, why
isn't anybody else do it?
You know?
Mm-hmm.
How do I have to do it all?
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And the thing is, you don't, youknow, and that's where
boundaries come in and we needboundaries.
For ourselves, you know, to belike, hmm, no, let's not feel in
alignment.
And so how we know then what'sin alignment for us is as a
generator, your body is going togive you a physical signal.
So with that sacral to find,you're going to have a gut
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response.
And a gut response is, somepeople feel it, some people hear
an internal sound.
But if you feel like a rise inenergy in your gut or you're
being pulled towards somethingenergetically, or some people
hear an audible uhhuh, then likethat is your sacral center
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telling you that it has thecapacity, the bandwidth to do
that thing that was, put beforeyou.
And you are meant to respond.
You're meant to respond to that.
Sensation that you are eitherhearing or feeling.
Whereas if something is not inalignment for you or you don't
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have the energetic bandwidth forit, because the sacral center
will let you know moment bymoment what you actually have
the capacity for, then it'sgoing to be either like a drop
in energy in your gut or afeeling of being pushed away or
an internal audible uhuh.
And so when we like really tuneinto our bodies, they're telling
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us our bodies are always likeconnected to this greater
knowing of what's actually rightfor us.
And when the more we say yes tothe things that are right for
us, that we have the capacityfor, that we feel drawn to, that
excite us, that light us up, themore we stay in the trajectory
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of our destiny.
'cause our, it's like we.
Are tied to like the cosmos, inthis way that we came here with
a destiny to fulfill.
And so every little thing thatcomes your way, you are meant to
respond to based on thosesensations.
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And, it takes us a while tomaster, like really tuning in
this world is full ofdistractions keeping us, not
aligned with our bodies, mostlyin our heads.
And we're not meant to makedecisions based on our thinking
minds.
The mind in human design issupposed to be, is considered
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the passenger and the body isthe vehicle.
The passenger's just supposed tosit back and enjoy the ride and
allow the form, the body toguide you.
So human design also tells usabout our unique.
Decision making process.
So for you, it's two partsbecause you have this gut
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response that's guiding youmoment by moment, but you also
have your emotion center, yoursolar plexus center defined.
So because you have that energyactivated and you are generating
this emotional wave on aconsistent basis throughout
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every moment of your life, youdon't get a break from that.
It's, you are riding therollercoaster of emotions.
You have what's called emotionalauthority.
So what that means is you aremeant to ride the full emotional
wave from low to high to back tothis place of neutrality before
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you commit to anything.
If you've ever made a decision,like on an emotional high where
somebody was like, oh my God,you wanna go to Vegas with me
tomorrow?
And you're like, yeah, my God,that sounds great.
And then you wake up tomorrowand you're like, what did I do?
I don't.
Mm-hmm.
What?
So if you allow yourself thetime to go through that full
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emotional wave, what seemed likea really great idea when you
were excited, you're gonna feeldifferently about it by the time
you ride the wave down and cometo a neutral place.
So true.
That neutral place is where youare meant to then make the
commitment from because you haveallowed enough time for all the
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information to come in, and alsolike your emotions are telling
you different things.
Like what felt exciting to youat first?
You are like, then you thinkabout it and you sit with it and
you're like, well, ah, you knowwhat?
I actually don't wanna do that.
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So your idea of what you wannado could definitely change.
So riding that emotional wave,allowing yourself to come to a
place of being neutral, whereyou're not too excited, you're
not too upset, you're just like,yeah, okay.
I feel grounded in thisdecision.
My gut says yes, okay, let's doit.
Or you know, my gut says, no, Ifeel terrible about this right
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now.
I'm in a neutral place, nothappening and I'm not doing it.
So knowing that you have to giveyourself the patience of moving
through those emotions will saveyou a lot of Trouble.
Trouble frustrations?
Yes.
I've been on both sides of that.
Yes.
Because people who areemotionally defined, they tend
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to, you know, want to react fromtheir emotions and that is the
test here is to not react, tojust feel it and wait.
And I feel like when we react tosomething in the moment is when
we tend to get in trouble.
We say things that we regret, wecommit to things that we regret.
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And so learning to benon-reactive, you know, really
is.
The challenge for the people whohave emotional definition.
That makes a lot of sense.
I've been challenged lately withthings like that in my life.
And even the other day I was ona podcast and.
I didn't know that I was beingset up when I went on this
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podcast.
Whoa.
And in a challenging way.
And so there was a piece ofinformation that was thrown at
me and not in a, in a verysalty, very shady way.
And I just sat there and Ithought, this isn't my house.
I'm not going to be rude.
I'm just going to navigate pastthis.
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I'm not going to engage with it.
I'm gonna navigate past it.
So I do turn, and it, and theenergy, you know, the energy
flipped and it was lovely, blah,blah, blah.
Well, guess what?
That person was coming on mypodcast the next day.
So I had an opportunity to sitwith some things that evening
and the universe was like, nowyou know why you felt like
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something was off.
And I was like, yeah.
And that morning, just whatyou're saying before the
interview, I didn't.
Wanna have this person then,because she had already
pre-warned me that she was gonnabring up the same topic on my
show.
And I thought, how, so I had myblueprint of how I was gonna
navigate the show.
And when you talked about likeyou're gonna have a reaction in
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your body when I tell you thatmy nervous system was on edge
and shaking beforehand.
Oh wow.
Because I knew what was coming,but I also was given exactly
what to say and which was quitepowerful.
And so I had my blueprint ofquestions and we're going
through and I thought, okay,this is great.
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There was a storm coming outsideand I had prepared her for this.
I said, you know, I dunno howthis is gonna go.
She took one of the questions,manipulated it, turned it into
where she wanted to bring in theinformation that she threw at me
at and her.
Oh my God.
And that's when I looked at theperson and I said.
Well, I'd like to know what's sotriggering about my podcast for
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you.
There's lots of differentEmpowered within podcasts.
Yeah, I, what is it about methat's triggering you?
And it was dead silence.
And she goes, well, I didn'tknow there were other podcasts
named that.
And I said, there's a ton.
And it was like, here to here.
It was interesting because shewas doing it in a way of coming
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at it allegedly from Love andLight, but No, no, no, no, You
sought me out.
And again, I navigated theenergies and changed it by the
end.
Yeah.
And then lo and behold, I foundout some stuff that happened and
I went, oh, she projectedeverything onto me.
You know, I forgive her.
You know, it is what it is.
But I thought.
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My old self.
Ooh.
My old self one would've lefther podcast.
My other, my old self on mypodcast would've shut her down
and just been like, we're notdoing this.
Yeah.
But I, I was like, no, I'm gonnakeep on the trajectory here and
work through and set my healthyboundary, stand in my lane.
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Right.
Learn that empowerment fromwithin what's right and what's
wrong.
And, you know, at the end of theday, it's my podcast.
I'll edit whatever I want.
yeah.
I love, you know, I mean, she'sgonna leave it out the way that
she did, which is fine.
That's her podcast.
But it, it's, so I wanted toshare all this because what
you're saying about thereactions Yeah.
I have such a physical reactionwhen something is not good.
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And when I tell you shaking, Imean Yeah.
Like, and it's, it'suncontrollable.
Wow.
I, and it's.
It took you so much to learn howto be with that.
Well, and to navigate it.
'cause you have to navigate ofis this as dangerous as it
feels?
Is this as much of a threat aswhat it feels?
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Yeah.
Or am I just getting thisserious heads up of you're about
to walk into a situation and youneed, you know, you need to have
all your shields up, et cetera,et cetera.
And so that's, that's taken timeto learn, and to discern.
Yeah.
So totally.
I love that example because ittalks to how your body.
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Is very aware and your mind waslike, I'm okay.
I gotta pause.
I don't know where to go withthis.
But your body is like warning,warning, something's not right.
Oh, my whole normal selfwouldn't have even done either.
No, I would've never.
But the, it was one of those,no, I knew there was something,
and at the end it ended up beinga beautiful, both ended up being
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beautiful podcasts between usand the energies.
And you could tell this was adivine meeting.
It was set up.
But it was interesting in howshe came in and then wanted to
cha, you know, and so I juststood in my lane and was like,
this is where, you know, I'mstanding.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, no, that powerfulexample for her.
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To show her like, no, no, no.
You can't steamroll me.
No.
And I looked at it like on her.
I mean, I was so shell shockedwhen I was on her podcast that I
was like.
What do I even say to that?
And so meanwhile, I had actuallyalready answered that question
off air.
So she knew It became, it wasit, became, a situation about
the name of my podcast, whichwas divinely given to me from
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God.
empowered within, and thenstrategically business wise, you
add your name, you addsomething, because if you ever
want to hand it off, there is avalue to that.
So there's a piece of advice foranyone who wants podcast or even
a YouTube show.
You always add something to itso that there is value, so you
can extract yourself and putsomeone else into it.
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Mm-hmm.
And so she has the domain nameEmpowered Within oh.com, which I
had looked at years ago, but Ididn't really need it because
everything goes through jenniferpilates.com.
So it wasn't a big deal for me,but for whatever reason in my
podcast.
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Because of the wonderfulpublicity that it has was coming
up.
Every time someone put inEmpowered was in to look for
her.
And so, but I didn't know that.
Like I didn't, yeah.
What do I know?
I'm just doing what I'm guidedto do.
And so she was doing what shewas guided to do.
And once we got to that plateau,then it all made sense for
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everybody.
But it didn't quite start outthat way.
Wow.
And I really had to sit with itbecause I knew that there was a
deeper meaning there.
I knew that there was somethingdeeper and you know what?
We came, we became likebeautiful friends by the end.
Aw.
But it was how it started thatit was so jarring to me.
Yeah.
Because after everything thatI've been through the last, well
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my whole life, let alone thelast two years, it's like, God
bless you if you think you'regonna cross me.
God bless you.
You don't know who you'redealing with.
God bless you.
I've been like, so it was sofascinating.
I was impressed with myself,honestly.
Yeah.
Because my old self would nothave been so articulate or kind.
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Yeah.
It sounds like you are verygracious.
Yeah.
You know, because you have tolearn and you have to grow.
Right.
And you have to go through likewhat you're saying through the
chart, ex's feeling things andunderstanding and looking at
everything with grace andsaying, well, what's, what's
really here?
And that was the blessing thatthe universe gave to me, of me
being on her show first toprepare me for what was coming
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to my show.
So I had all night to think andI was like, what?
And then I'm like, well, what,how am I triggering her?
Like, what's the issue here?
Yeah.
And so that's what it, you know,became about.
But yeah, no, those visceralreactions, I mean.
I have significant ones, withinmy body.
I mean, even just going to thegrocery store, like there are
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hard yeses and hard nos all dayfor me.
And you are somebody who itsounds like lives in alignment
with those.
I try.
Feelings.
Like you allow your body toguide you.
I really have.
I I really, it's numbing it allout, numbing out and then right.
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And I've done that.
I've, I've gone through thestages of numbing it out.
I've gone through the stages ofnot knowing anything, and now
I'm really wholeheartedly in asurrender to, I'm going with the
flow.
What does that look like?
What does that mean?
Even down to my businesschanging and rebranding and
things changing, and I'm, guideme.
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Yeah.
Where do you need me?
What's, and that's not how Ialways operated because.
Of how I grew up and who I am.
There was always that protectiveof, those shields that were up.
So it's so interesting that Ihave a defined sacral center
because my first half of my lifetalk about never being in your
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body and never grounded.
And I was always trying toground through my, that was the
one thing that everyone wouldalways say.
Like, look at your sacral is offyour sock.
If something goes out, it'salways my si.
So any of my stuff, any, eversince my car accident in 97, any
of my kind of stuff, the, it'salways the si it's always the
sacral area that, that it areaspeaks to me.
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Wow.
Mm-hmm.
Have you experienced, like,burnout a lot through work?
I can.
I have to be very careful.
Yeah.
Because I.
Very, like, I can go all in.
I can really burn myself out Ican really just go, go, go, go,
go.
And the last nine months hasbeen quite the shift for me of
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learning this balance to balanceout better.
And now I'm aware of, okay, thisis the energies of when you live
in certain places where you feelthis way.
This is how you feel here.
And basically I have prayed uponhow can I bring them together in
a happy place so I don't have togo from one to another and I can
just be and not burn out.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it's so easy for me tojust, I could sit if I'm in flow
and in alignment and I did thisthe other day, I forget what I
was doing.
I mean, I would say five hourswent by.
I don't even think I had a sipof water.
Oh, wow.
But I was so in it.
Yeah.
That's what was happening.
That's amazing.
I love that.
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Like, ugh, low state, you know,you're like, in your wheelhouse,
you're doing your thing.
Mm-hmm.
Like, this is what I'm here todo right now.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
It's really special.
And that's why human design isso important.
And the astrology is soimportant because the more you
know about yourself, the more itmakes sense.
And then you're like, oh no,this is a me thing.
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Yeah.
This is how I operate.
I need to, you spend all thattime on your car trying to
figure out the seats and theradio and blah, blah, blah.
Why would you not figure it outwithin yourselves?
Figure out how your own body andenergy system functions.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
And the world is such a betterplace.
And you are such an empoweredbadass at that point.
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Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Because you, the example youjust gave you, nobody can mess
with you when you know.
Like, oh, something's up hereand I am going to tune in and
pay attention how to navigatethis.
Right.
Shooting coming up.
Right?
Because someone can be coming atyou with one projection of
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energy, but really behind that,generally speaking is someone
that's hurt.
Yeah.
And the question is, is why arethey hurt?
Yeah.
And you really like nailed thatwith that question of what is
triggering you.
And it kind of flipped it on itshead for here.
Totally.
Totally.
And, and it was just like.
Then it was just like, okay,can, can we, you know, just I'm
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here to highlight you, right?
Like, I'm, I'm here to do you.
And like I said, it, it becametwo beautiful people coming
together who divinely were giventhe same name at different times
for different reasons.
And she's such a talented,energetic human being.
I mean, I would refer, just likeI would refer people to you, I
would refer people to her.
So it was like, it was sointeresting how it, how that
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angst brought us together tobring beautiful energy together.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, and I think thatspeaks to the times, to the
eclipse season, to the 2025numerology, my goodness.
Right?
Anything that isn't authentic isgoing to be exposed, you know,
any person, place, or thing.
And so I just feel like it wasjust such a beautiful, I mean,
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'cause you figure my podcast isgonna be four years old in May.
Hmm.
So that's a lot of energy forsomeone to hold onto for a
while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, so I'm just happy thatit was able to get cleared out
and released in the eclipseseason.
That's amazing.
Mm-hmm.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
And I got a new friend out of itand she, you know, she's
amazing.
Like she would be such a greatperson in our wheelhouse.
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Yeah.
But it was so weird how itstarted.
Yeah.
And I was, and I felt like itwas just such a huge test from
the universe.
Yeah.
And it's really showed you likeyour own evolution and
progression of like Wow.
The contrast between how the oldme would've handled this versus
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who I am now because I've spentthe time to get to know myself.
Mm-hmm.
I've spent the time to be withthe feelings in my body and
discern what they're telling me.
Right.
And that's what human design iswanting us to do.
That's how it's guiding us todo.
So it's so powerful in thatregard because we are energy at
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the end of the day.
Like, yes, we have thesephysical bodies, but we are
energy and how our energy wantsto work, and the specific way in
which the frequency we are at isgoing to call in or repel other
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types of energies, right?
And so it's all about like, howdo I fine tune my energy, raise
my frequency, being the mostauthentic version of myself?
And that's, that is the keythere.
Like the more authentic, themore true and honoring to
yourself that you can be, thehigher your frequency and the
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more in alignment.
Opportunities and people you'llcall in.
It's that resonance.
So, that's what really draws meto it, is that it's this huge
permission slip that says be yougo all in on what's right for
you and the universe will takecare of the rest.
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100%.
Yeah.
So the next part of your designthen is called your profile.
And your profile is made up oftwo different numbers.
And it's interesting because,it's like we have this binary of
consciousness, this part of usthat's, we're acutely aware of
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those, our personality, who wethink we are versus our design,
the unconscious part of us whowe really are.
And other people will know usmore for who we really are than
who we think we are.
And so people will see in ustraits, ways of being that we
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don't necessarily know we hold.
And so the profile isilluminates that for us, helps
us to see oh, this is a wholeother side of me that I wasn't
very aware of.
And now that I can see this, Ican start to accept more parts
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of me.
So you are what's called a fiveone profile, which is nicknamed
the Heretic Investigator.
So the line five is the hereticand it's called the heretic
because you are somebody, theLine five.
Energy is the energy of.
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Somebody who gets projected onto be like the savior.
You don't say, you know how tofix my problems, and I am going
to come to you and expect thatyou come up with a solution for
me because I don't know what todo.
And so the quality of yoursolution then is your reputation
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hangs on that.
So no pressure.
No pressure.
So, so for a line five, it'ssuper important that you are
aware of your own limitations.
Like what actually can I solveand what can't I solve?
And leave those things alone.
Because if you say oh, sure,yeah, okay, yeah, I'll try and
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help you and fix it, and thenyou don't, and you can't, then
they're like, you don't knowwhat you're talking about.
You know?
Right.
So.
Know that people are projectingonto you based on the energy
that you have, that you aresomebody who knows how to solve
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problems and come up with theseout of the box solutions.
And if you can't, then they'llburn you at the stake.
The hair, that's where thatcomes from.
So you have the energy of aleader, the energy.
It's also called like thegeneral, you step in times of
going to battle and you directpeople like, this is the way we
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wanna go.
This is what you wanna do.
And then as soon as thesituation, the battle is over,
you can feel like you'reinvisible.
And suddenly nobody's calling onyou.
And you're like, wait a minute.
I was, did I not just save you?
Did I not just save your life?
I was so popular an hour ago,and now I'm like a wallflower.
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So take that as downtime untilthe next emergency, once
somebody needs you again.
That's just the cycle for That'strue.
Aligned five.
So yeah, the importance of beingaware that people see you that
way and they are going to cometo you expecting this, and then,
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okay, what can I do and whatcan't I do?
And being really clear and thenhaving boundaries around that of
I'm sorry, I don't have whatyou're looking for.
Right.
Then the line one.
The line one is what's known asthe investigator, so it's the,
like the foundation.
The line numbers go one throughsix.
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Line one at the base is thefoundation where you are
somebody who, this is theunconscious part of you.
Okay.
Who, wants to know all thedetails in order to feel secure.
You have to know everythingabout it in order to feel like I
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can wrap my head around this andI feel good moving forward for
Align One, researching things,asking questions, reading books,
studying, like really knowingeverything about a topic is very
important to you.
So.
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If we were gonna go out todinner, you would be the one
looking up the menu online,finding out the parking
situation.
Do we have reservations?
What's the best time to goreading the reviews?
I have such an example to giveto you.
So when I wasn't living near mymom and she would come and
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visit, like one, I used to be,I've done numerous things in my
life, but I've been an eventplanner.
I've, done all this stuff.
So there would be a binder.
So whether she came for threedays or four days or 10 days,
there was a binder.
Oh my God.
And there were events so much.
There were events for every day.
There were three events forevery day, because you don't
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know how you're gonna feel andwhat does something change?
Options.
Options.
You have to have options, butyou also have to, and then this,
at this one point, we started inScottsdale and we were driving
all the way up to Grand Canyon.
So I had weaved the way of the,exactly what you're saying.
I knew where we were gonna stopfor water.
I knew where we were.
Like, I obsess and love doingthings like that and people
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don't understand why I wouldrather drive cross country than
get in a plane and go, and thislast time, like a month or so
ago, I did get in a plane and itwas fine.
But I love the journey and Ilove planning stuff like that.
Oh my gosh.
I love, oh, that's like heavenTo me, that elements of control
too, you think because you'vegot a plan, it's all laid out
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and that gives you security ofokay, well if this goes wrong,
then I can go this way, I can dothis.
You have a backup and And youneed that and that's correct for
you.
Right?
So just owning, I love that.
That's actually makes me feelgood.
And when I feel secure, I cantake bigger risks in the world.
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Oh, I love looking at it thatway.
Yeah, I love that.
Maybe owning this is good forme, this is what I need in order
to show up in a bigger way.
Oh, I love that.
So I wanna ask this question.
So the five one, and this is sospot on for me, everyone
listening, watching does thefive, because I also am a life
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path, five.
Oh, is that, is it?
I was wondering if that's acoincidence or if, well, I like
to say there are nocoincidences, right?
I don't really mean coincidenceseither, because five, right?
Like they come into the worldand it's all about adventure and
this and that, and learning howto balance fear and insecurities
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with having an adventure.
So everything that you'redescribing is describing my
number five, which has taken me.
All this time in my life tofigure out, yeah.
Yeah.
Like I can go and live inFlorida.
If I have a travel van outsidethat's ready to go in case
there's a hurricane, then yes,then I can go and live there.
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And there is no problem.
Right?
Like we just solve the five oneissue and the number of life
path.
Like it just makes so much moresense.
And I think that that, what Iwant people to hear is like, for
me anyways, being a five one,exactly what Heather is saying.
I can get on my unicorn and flyall day long, but I also have to
have logic about where I'mflying to and how I'm getting
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back.
Yep.
And being able to wrap my headaround something.
Yeah.
So to be able to have both ofthose and to hear it coming from
you now it's like, oh my God,and even though I know some of
this, when it comes from someoneelse, it has more weight and
it's validation.
Right.
It's validation of owning whoyou are.
Versus who people are projectingonto you or saying you are.
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So you have, oh, you have abinder.
Oh, you, oh, little mis controlhas a binder.
Do you know what I'm saying?
No, there's a reason.
Yeah.
And really owning that and belike, yeah, I have a binder.
And its always glittery too.
It's glittery and it's got pensand highlighters.
Yeah.
You're gonna be thanking me whenit's time to eat.
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Exactly.
Oh, don't get me going on what Ipart, what I pack for a car
trip, especially when I'mdriving cross country.
Oh my God.
Even if I'm going eight hours,like I'd rather go eight hours
than go an hour.
An hour.
20 minutes to me is, oh God,it's so painful.
I'm like, really?
Like I have to drive like 20minutes.
Oh my God.
Like, oh, I can drive.
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Oh, we're going.
It's, I'm like, oh, it's eighthours.
Awesome.
Lemme get my pillow in myblanket.
Oh my God.
You're in for it.
The whole journey.
In, oh God, sorry.
The sun is like, no, I love iton you.
As long as it's okay for you,I'm good.
But the lighting is probablyterrible.
No, it's totally fine.
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So I love that.
I love the validations thatyou're giving.
I love, oh my God.
Like I just wanna go get abinder right now and go get a
yes.
Own that show you that is soyou, it's so me to make plans.
Like even like the universedrops a hint and I'm already
researching it and I don't evenknow if that's gonna happen and
I'm already got, yeah.
Oh God.
(42:26):
Mm-hmm.
But that's, that's right.
Because then it gives you thetime to think through all the
scenarios.
And even just.
Thinking through the scenariosis comforting.
Well, it's comforting and for meit helps release a lot of fear
and insecurities around,especially around decisions,
whether it's business or life ormoving that are ones that are
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going to stretch me.
Yeah.
Which is why I am here.
Being life path five being, youknow, I do require some sort of
adventure, but hey, the grocerystore can be an adventure too.
But I also am a homebody andreally like to Nestle and all
that kind of jazz, so Yeah.
Oh, oh, I feel so good rightnow.
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Oh, that's amazing.
I actually did prepare like afull report for you that I'm,
I'll email it to you.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
You're so sweet.
Thank you.
Yeah, because I was like, it'sgonna help me prepare for this.
Oh, this is so, oh, I'm justlike, I've goosebumps.
I'm so excited.
I just wanna plan a trip.
I'm like, good.
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I got your juices going.
Your, it explains why I was sucha good wedding coordinator and
event coordinator when I didthat.
Oh, I was in seventh heaven.
Seventh.
I bet.
I bet you were.
And the next part is thechannels, which we don't even
have time to get into becauselike, we're almost an hour
already, but Oh my God, Ididn't, when you read through
your channels, you're gonna belike, oh, now it makes even more
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sense.
It's like all the differentparts of your design align to
explain like why you are the wayyou are.
Okay.
So here's a question that I havebecause I don't know the answer
to this.
Okay.
In looking at human design, isthere a place within there that
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guide someone to maybe whattheir life path is?
Why they're here?
Yes.
Okay.
So that is going to be yourincarnation cross.
And the incarnation cross is theenergy of the conscious sun,
conscious earth, unconscioussun, unconscious earth.
So it's the first two gates, theof the unconscious and the
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unconscious side.
So the sun energy is like 70%of, what you radiate out into
the world.
So a combination, but the earthis what?
What grounds you?
So, you know, we've got the sun.
It's like how we shine and thenthe earth is like our grounding
force.
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So when we combine those fourdifferent gates, it tells us the
incarnation cross, which is likethe synopsis of your potential,
of what you're here to do ifyou're living according to your
strategy of your, energy typeand your authority.
So your strategy is to respond.
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Your authority is to wait theemotional wave.
So when you do that, theenergies that move through you,
explain that so I can tell youwhat yours is.
So you have the left angle crossof defiance.
Sounds like I'm naughty.
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It's a combination of a gate ofreceptivity, the gate of
creativity, the gate of.
Sensitivity and the gate ofmental solutions.
Ooh, what a mixed bag we've gotgoing on there.
Yeah.
What do we do with that?
Yeah.
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So it's people who always seemto defy the collective's general
direction by following their ownhands down.
And the ability to move othersaway from the status quo.
So you are like here to be like,Hey everybody, why you going
that way?
What about this way over here?
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It totally aligns with yourprofile of being like outta the
box solutions and so everythingjust like back my whole life has
been that if everyone's goingright, I'm going left.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's a very short synopsis.
Yeah.
I love that.
That's cool.
There's a book I have called theBook of Destinies that gives
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like a very long description ofeveryone, so that's always fun
to, to read.
Oh yeah.
We'll have to link that forpeople.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would be real.
Any other questions?
Yes, so I had one and, but Ithink you touched on it a little
bit.
Okay.
I wanted to know if there's anarea in the human design chart
where it points out like where abetter environment for someone,
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for someone, a specific personto be like, oh, you're, you're
actually really, you know, drawnto the sun or Oh no, you're
actually better in a colderenvironment.
Or Oh, you're actually, I wasone wondering'cause I didn't
know the answer to that.
Yeah.
So there is, a specific part ofyour design that's called
environments and that will tellyou where.
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You are most like aligned to be.
So let me find yours.
That's good, because there's alot going on behind these
scenes.
There's a, yeah, it's good.
Well, you know, there, there'salways a lot going on with me,
but really there's a lot goingon behind the scenes, but
really, okay, let find yours.
Oh, this is so flipping fast.
See, I think these are thequestions that people don't
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know.
Yeah.
Because I feel like there's alot of people out there who
claim like, oh, I'm gonna doyour human design chart, but
don't go to the depth.
Heather's been doing thisforever, so she's like digging
in like layer to layer, likepeeling you back and, and that's
what I want people to know.
And that's only the people thatI work with that are so
authentic that are the expertsin with what they do.
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So yours is called markets.
So for you, like you work wellwhen you can.
See things that are laid out.
Like you're not somebody who'sgoing to want to hide everything
behind a cabinet door.
You want things kind of likevisible so you can see them and
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you do okay or well, working in,like a coffee shop or a busy
type of environment wherethere's like a lot of other
energy happening, a lot of otherpeople, there's movement.
You can see things you haveaccess to.
Oh, I'm gonna go get a coffeeand, oh, I wanna go talk to that
person over there.
And like, you just haveeverything you need in that
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space.
It helps you to be able to likedial in and get your.
Whatever you need to get done.
Versus me, I'm a cavesenvironment.
It's pretty much the opposite.
I'm like, I'm going to go to myown quiet place.
I'm going, nobody bother me.
It's funny, that's what I wouldthink that I am, because that's
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kind of how I've been working.
But there are times like evenwhen I'm working though, I'm
watching the birds outside or ifI'm sitting and there's like a
water fountain, like, but Iguess, I don't know, I just
haven't been around people verymuch.
Yeah.
Maybe experiment with it.
Maybe I need to experi.
Yeah.
I need to like and because maybeit ener will energize you in a
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new way.
Yeah.
Like vibing off of otherpeople's energy, even if you're
not interacting with them.
Just their presence would likelight things up for you.
It's like being on an adventureand not all at the same time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, interesting.
So that's work-wise.
Is there anything that tells youabout environments for living?
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Well, this would apply to, sofor example, then in your, like
home area living, the marketswould apply as you want to be
able to see what you have.
You don't want it like my, I'mobs this.
Oh, I, if I open up my closet, Iwanna see all my flip flops that
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match all my sundresses.
Yeah.
But in my kitchen, I wanteverything nice and neat and
clean.
Right?
But yes, no, when it comes tostuff like, yes, I do much
better when I can see, yeah.
Where is everything and wherethat is now, how would that play
out in the geographical areamarkets?
Or is that something verydifferent?
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Like, so Yeah.
Yeah, this wouldn't really,doesn't do that.
You could have the marketsenvironment no matter where you
are geographically.
Got it.
Yeah.
So this isn't likeastrocartography, it's more like
what is the kind of environmentin which I'm gonna flourish?
Oh yeah.
I need to see all my books out.
I need to, and I like to likemake colors and you know, those
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people, they were doing arainbow with their books for a
while, and I got obsessed withthat.
But because I've been on thisjourney, the last.
Two years.
I have not had the advantage toreally do that with my stuff
because I've been living inother people's environments
short, you know, Airbnbs,whatever it is.
Yeah.
so I have my stuff around, but Ihaven't been able to ground and
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nest in that.
So I've been very challenged inI bet in that area.
Very, very challenged.
Yeah.
But yeah, when I have my ownplace, oh my gosh.
And I also grew up where mymother would literally, like
every season, change the entirehouse.
Oh, wow.
So your room, your sheets, yourcurtains, your comforters, like,
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it was so cool.
Which ironically goes with mynumber five, which is, I, it's
so ironic.
I need change.
But I equally need stability andsecurity at the same time.
Yeah.
So it's how do you bring thatinto your life?
And I feel like a lot of empathsand highly sensitive people are
like that.
How do you bring the adventureto you in a safe, secure way?
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Yeah.
And it's the little ways likethat.
I let the market, you saidmarkets, and I immediately
thought of Mexico.
I thought of Puerto of Vallartamarket and I was like, markets
we're going to Puerto Vallarta.
That's where my head went.
I love, well, if you think aboutit, when you're walking through
a market, everything's ondisplay.
I love that.
Where you're choosing and you'relike, oh, do I want this?
Do I want that?
Give away.
It's like a farmer's market.
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Or back in the day, they used tohave this huge flea market in
Fort Myers, Florida.
If anyone's ever been, it was,no, it was miles and miles and
miles long.
Oh my God.
Like I love something, likethere's just something cool
about it.
Like you're saying, everything'sout and touchy feely and Yeah.
And that's for you how you wouldflourish in your like.
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Media environment.
Isn't this so cool everyone?
I mean, these are all the littlenuances that I feel like you
don't always know to ask.
Yeah.
Or that you don't even reallyknow that's in your chart.
And it may not be the be forthat person that's reading for
you.
And that's why I think it's sogreat that we, Heather was so
wonderful that wanted to comeback and do this today so that
we could dive and go intodifferent angles and look at
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different things, with thecharts as we close up.
Because Heather's time isprecious.
And we could, I would go talk toher for hours and on end I could
say yes.
I could go on.
I mean, easily, easily.
What would you like people toknow about human design?
What do you want people to takeaway?
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Knowing how you can truly helpand benefit their life with what
you bring to the table withhuman design and your knowledge
and expertise.
Yeah, that's such a greatquestion.
So what drew me to human designwas I felt really stuck in my
life at the moment where it wasintroduced to me.
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I was like living for otherpeople.
I was exhausted.
I didn't even really know who Iwas because I lived based on the
outside influencing my insideand human design, like flipped
it for me.
It gave me an understanding ofwho I am on the inside so that I
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could start to project that intomy outside world.
So it changed my focus andchanging your focus from
external to internal.
It gave me the opportunity tobuild a relationship with myself
that I hadn't before and toreally understand who I am and.
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How I am in the world.
What is the influence that myenergy has?
What is it that I am here to do?
Because it's not to just be, thesupport person or the person
that's on call, like looking tosolve everybody else's issues
all the time.
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No, I'm here to do something.
That's for me.
And so when you have that morefoundational sense of purpose,
that's no, my life is for me.
I have something I'm here to dothat's de independent of the
people in my life.
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It really changes everything.
And for me, I just became a lotmore fulfilled and a lot happier
because suddenly I felt.
This deeper calling, this deeperconnection and my life, I, it
kind of fucked it all up in thebest way possible because
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everything that was out ofalignment had to go.
And as soon as I started livingin alignment, bit by bit, I
watch these things that theserelationships, these
circumstances just fall out ofmy life.
And it, of course, it waspainful, but you have to
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sometimes go through that tocome back into alignment and
then things get better than youcould have ever imagined.
Right.
It sounds like quite the Phoenixmoment.
Some would say, definitely acome to Jesus moment.
Definitely.
You articulated it beautifullyin expressing.
The lessons and the blessingsthrough it all.
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And when you say that it effedit up, like it really just took
the deck of cards and threw itall up, but it came down into a
beautiful house of cards with afoundation that it doesn't sound
like you had prior.
Exactly, exactly.
So it's not for the faked ofheart.
No, it isn't.
But it is when, and I feel likeagain, right now we are in 2025.
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This is a number nine frickingyear for the world.
And God bless you if you were ina personal number nine year,
we're here to help you becauseI've been through it.
And my number nine yearpersonally, I checked every box.
Like I don't even know how Icame out of it.
Like every box.
So this is the time to dive intoyou and who are you and why are
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you here?
And you know, that is always theessence that I start with when
people come to me.
Because you don't know what youdon't know until you know.
And then when you know better,well, it's time to do better.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
So I just feel like it alignsyou with your mission in life.
To say it in the most simpleway.
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Absolutely.
Like why you're here.
It's so amazing.
Well, all of Heather'sinformation is going to be over
in the shownotes@jenniferpilates.com.
Don't forget, if you have notlistened or watched our first
episode, please jump back and dothat, because you know, we just
have so much fun together andwe're fabulous and you should go
check it out because there is somuch more depth in the layers of
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the human design that we talkedabout there too.
So lots more gems there.
Heather, as we close out today,is there one last piece of
inspiration advice that you'dlike to leave with us today?
I'd say it's never too late.
It's never too late to likereally get to know yourself and
explore who you are and the moretime you spend, really going
(58:41):
inwards.
It's pays off in spades, likeyour life really just expands
from that place of like inwardclarity.
Beautiful.
I love that.
Thank you so much, Heather, foryour energies, for your insights
for coming back.
You are such a ray of light andI'm so honored to have you in my
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life.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me,Jennifer.
It's, I'm so glad that our pathscrossed and we met, and it's
been so fun to get tocollaborate with you.
It really has.
Well, I look forward to manymore collaborations in the
future.
Yes, absolutely.
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