April 8, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode, Justin Wenck, PhD, delves into the transformative "Rose, Bud, Thorn" questions— designed to deepen connections and enhance self-awareness. Justin shares personal experiences, including recent challenges and celebrations, illustrating how this method can be applied to foster more meaningful relationships whether you've been connected for years or mere moments.
Key Higlights:
- The structure and purpose of the "Rose, Bud, Thorn" questions.
- Rose: What Are You Celebrating?
- Bud: What Are You Cultivating?
- Thorn: What's Challenging or Ready to be Released?
- Practical applications for personal growth and strengthening connections.
- Justin's personal journey through recent life events and the lessons learned.
Tune in to discover how embracing this simple yet profound practice can lead to more authentic interactions and a deeper understanding of oneself and others.
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These practices aren't just about finding peace—they're about reconnecting with yourself and the world around you in meaningful ways.
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Have you ever noticed that a lotof times our interactions with
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people are very, very surfacelevel, and sometimes you don't
get to the things that matter,maybe not ever and or sometimes,
like just not until the very,very end.
Are you ready to live a lifewith enough time, money and
energy have relationships andconnections that delight you.
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Are you ready for theextraordinary life you know
you've been missing? If so, thenthis is the place for you. I'm a
best selling author, coach,consultant and speaker who's
worked in technology for overtwo decades. I'm a leader at
transforming people andorganizations from operating in
fear, obligation and guilt torunning off joy, ease and love.
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It's time for engineeringemotions and energy with me.
Justin Wenck PhD,today, we're going to be talking
about how to check in, how todrop in, how to connect or
reconnect. That's right. So thismight be people that you've
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known a long time, or maybethese are people you've just
met. But how could you quicklyget a deep, deep connection
where you feel like you reallyknow what's going on with this
person, and you feel like theyreally know what's going on with
you, and you feel closer andmore in community, and like, oh
my gosh, I'm so happy that I'mspending time with this person
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or with this group of people. Sothat's what we're going to be
talking about today. And I'mgoing to be checking in with you
my wonderful, wonderfulaudience, because it's it's been
a while since it's been just youand me. If you're a regular
listener watcher of the show,then you've probably been like,
Okay, the last episode was, wasgreat with tomorrow, about
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birthdays and things like that.
But geez, Justin, it was likeFebruary since we last, you
know, got to just connect withwith you, I think. And I'm going
to explain that and tell youwhat's been going on. And you
might have also noticed, youknow, not only was there a break
between new releases ofepisodes, but now you might be
kind of noticing that, wait It'slike every other week. And going
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to go through that, tell you allthat as part of this check in
process that someone recentlytold me about that they they did
at a event,or to think it's a business
school related thing. Yet, I'veseen these. I've seen these done
something similar at dinnerparties and just retreats. And
sometimes I try to do this withpeople I know, or things like
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that, yet I really loved sort ofthe the model of this, the
breakdown. So that's why I'mgoing to share it with you.
Because this is something,again, it's somebody you haven't
seen in a long time, or maybethis is somebody new, or maybe
it's at a dinner party. Becausea lot of times like, Have you
ever noticed that a lot of timesour interactions with people are
very, very surface level. Andsometimes you don't get to the
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things that matter, maybe, maybenot ever and or sometimes, like,
just not until the very, veryend.
It's like I was recently got gota chance to go visit an old
friend for her birthday, whichI'm going to talk a little bit
even more when we get get going.
But we ended up getting to, youknow, catch up for, like, I
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don't know, I was, like, three,four hours, something like that.
And it really wasn't until thevery last like, 10 minutes that
we've gotten to, you know, oneof the, one of the big things
that was coming up for her,which was like, it's keep, keep
hearing, keep feeling like it'stime for, like, a big, big
change in my life. And that's,that's overwhelming. It feels
overwhelming.
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And it's like, I felt so honoredto get to, you know, get to hear
that, and to also share myperspective and things like
that. And it was one of those,like, oh, you know, I'm glad we
got to it, yeah. It's like, oh,would have been great if we
would have had, like, you know,one or two hours to talk about
that, right? So what is thismethod? There's basically three
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parts to it, three parts. Andagain, you can always kind of
decide if you want to do allthree parts, or if you know, you
just want to do one or theother. You know, 123, pick any
two, pick any one, you know,depending on the time and the
structure. And, you know, maybewhat you feel like the audience
is, but yet, going to encourageyou to, you know, because one of
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these is like, ooh, ooh, do Iwant to go there? Do I want to
go there? I'm going to encourageyou to like, yeah. The, whenever
there's a little, like, the thetightness, the that's, that's
where the juice is, you want to,you want to go for the juice,
which means you got to do that.
You got to do the squeeze. Yougot to do the squeeze. Ah,
squeeze it, squeeze it. Yeah,right. Like, then, then there's
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the release. And it's like, Ah,I feel so good, right? Yeah,
those of you listen to thiswhile you're on the toilet, know
what I'm talking about. I know.
I know. I.
I know you people. I know someof you. I know I know what
you're doing when you'rewatching this or listen to this.
I know I'm I get all the data. Iget the facts. Now that's, I
don't even if that is available.
I'm not looking for that. But sothe three, the three things are,
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it's done through the lens ofrose bud and Thorn. So the rose
a beautiful, amazing creation ofnature, something to be
celebrated. So that is sharing acelebration, something to
celebrate. And again, I'm goingto be going through each of
these and sharing my ownexamples recently to help you
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know what's been going on withme and where the fuck I've been.
So the rose celebration, thebud, this is something that's,
it's going to be a rose someday,but it's not quite yet. It's
very it's very tender. It hasn'tfully opened to the world yet.
So this is something you'renurturing, something that's
like, Ooh, maybe you know it'snot, you don't know if it's
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going to work out, right.
So this is the bud. Is somethingyou're nurturing. And then the
thorn, this is something thatyou're letting go of, or I also
like to would include in this,maybe something that's currently
a challenge in your life. So itmight not be something that
you've even figured out what tolet go of, or how to let go, but
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it's a challenge. It's a thornything. So rose bud, thorn
something to celebrate,something that's to be nurtured
and something to be let go of,or something that's currently a
challenge, something that haspotential to be a pain point in
your life. So I'm gonna, I'mgonna share. So again, this is
something that you know, ifyou're at a dinner party, you
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could either do like, you know,each question per round, you
know, or you let somebody gothrough all three, you kind of
just decide how you want to, youknow, or you're, you've just met
somebody, and you kind of go,Hey, I I got, I got some fun
questions if you're up for it.
Because, trust me,people are so ready to, like,
really get to share and toreally get to hear and feel
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connected. So you will be givingsuch a gift. If you're the
person that goes like, Hey, Igot something and some ideas of
something we could talk about.
You know, if you're up for it,you don't have to. I'll be
surprised how many people aren'tjust like, oh my gosh, this is
great. And you might have someof the best connections, best
conversations you've had in yourlife. So for me, I'm going to
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start with a thorn, because thisreally is, you know, the reason
why it's been such a break, andwhy I've kind of gone to doing
every other weeks. I think Itook three or four weeks from
releasing a new episode. And thereason is, had a really big loss
in my family, someone, you know,someone had been really, you
know, big, big part of myfamily. I'm not gonna, I'm not
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gonna say who, who it was. It'slike, if you know, you know, or
if you feel close enough and youwant to reach out, but I kind of
just like, I don't want to getinto the details of, you know,
who and what and how. But it wassomebody, you know, really close
in my family, died, passed away.
And I kind of mentioned that onthe previous episode, the
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birthday episode, because hesaid I got the news two days
before my birthday. And so itwas just like, oh, man, this,
and it's really, reallyimpactful for my for my dad, who
I hadn't talked to. You know, wekind of been messaging, but we
hadn't really been talking. Youknow, I don't think I'd seen him
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for over a year, maybe closer totwo. So really not, not since my
my mother had passed away, whichhas now been two and a half
years, maybe more. There's justsome things that like, I'm not
I'm not good at keeping the timeof things like time kind of
flies, and for some of thesethings, and so, you know, the
loss was, was difficult, andthen just this, like, oh,
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how do, how do I interact withmy dad and things like that, as
was really, it was reallythorny, and I wanted to be able
to go down there and spend thetime. So that was been a big,
big pain point. And I think oneof the things that I'm really
letting go of is just this ideathat I I can plan out my life
and how things are going towork. Because I really thought I
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was going to go on a ski tripthat the week right after my
birthday, I cleared my entirecalendar,
but for some reason, I hadn'tbooked I hadn't booked a hotel
yet. I was going to spend, youknow, four nights ski for four
days. I cleared my calendar, butI hadn't made I hadn't put any
arrangements down that couldn'tbe taken back. And a, you know,
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get this, I get this news. And Iwas just like, Yeah, I'll be
down. I'll be down, you know,on, on Monday, and I'll stay the
week to, you know, help, helpwith arrangements. And, you
know, just, just be there inthis challenging time. And
so is really, you know, reallygrateful that was able to do
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that. And, you know.
Be there for my for my dad, anddo the service and connect with
the other people that wereaffected by this, by this loss.
So that was that's been the bigthorny thing in my life, is sort
of been working through that.
And,yeah, so that's why I, you know,
canceled some of the showsbasically because I just like, I
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don't know what things are,things are happening, and, yeah,
it's because it's kind of like,I like to, you know, there's,
there's some, some people thatdo shows that, do, you know,
influencing stuff, that theyjust like, blah, blah, blah,
blah. That's not my style. Ilike, I like to share with you.
I like to share how you can getthrough things, not just vomit
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stuff at you. I like to, youknow, I'll share that, oh, I
vomited, and here's that, here'sthe here's the medicine that
helped me so that I know I'm nolonger vomiting. Because I want
you to have the medicine. I wantyou to have the medicine so that
maybe you don't have to vomit atall, or for as long or as
painfully. That's one of the biggoals of why I do this show, is
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to, you know, kind of like,bring light to stuff.
And, you know, it's like, I'mgoing to acknowledge the dark
times, the challenging times,yet, you know, I'm the type that
I like to, you know, I have, Ihave my team of support for
that. I'm not, I'm not here toget a bunch of people to, you
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know, go. I'm so sorry.
Or I don't. I'm not looking forthe peanut gallery to tell me
what to do or whatever that so,yeah, I mean, so I'm, I'm
grateful that you all are stillwith me, especially if you're
new, welcome, and if you've beenhere a long time, you know,
thank you for understanding,being patient.
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So, yeah, so that's been thethorn, I would say, is, you
know, this loss, and you know,again, it's letting go of,
really, for me, of just, youknow, thinking that I know how
things are going to work out.
Because, you know, it's, youknow, not lost my, you know,
lost my mom way before I thoughtI would. And there's, you know,
it's like, I kind of thought,like, well, this, this is how
things are going to happen. Andthings are going to be like this
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till, I don't know, a long time.
And, you know, just theuniverse, the world, whatever,
is like, nope. This is happeningnow, and that's happening, and,
yeah, the more that I'm willingto go with it, the easier it is,
and the easier I'm able to getthe gifts out of these
experiences. And that'll thatbrings me to the bud, the
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nurturing. So, I mean, the oneof the big things that I'm
nurturing is the relationshipwith my dad, because it's kind
of, you know, brought ustogether. We're sort of
interacting, you know, talking alittle bit more frequently, and
spent time, got to know what hislife's been up to. And, you
know, he he'd gone through somereally big health challenges.
And seeing him, it's like he'shis physical form is shifted the
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way, like, just, you know,really, kind of like, Huh,
what's, what could thisrelationship be? Now,
after, after this big, this bigloss, this, this, these
challenging times, it's, it'slike, what, what could this be?
I'm very, I'm, you know, unsure.
I'm, I'm going carefully, ofgoing, you know, with love for
myself and him. I think that'sone of the biggest things that
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I've learned, is to make surethat I'm, I'm loving myself,
caring for myself, and from thatplace, then showing up, so that
I can be loving, kind, generous,because I'm seeing in the, you
know, I see in the past, thatthat's not how I showed up, and
It was, you know, caused myselfa lot of pain. It caused pain to
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those around me, and I'veactually, this is maybe a little
bit of something else I'mnurturing,
is, is based off of myexperiences of going back and,
you know, sort of newrelationship with my my father,
and a lot of people that I nowreally have a framework of how
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relationships can can work. AndI'm going to, I've got this
model worked out. It's reallykind of a culmination of, you
know, my lifetime of experiencethat I think I've been able to
distill in a very simple,effective way that I can teach
you, so you can kind of maybeknow where you're at and where
you want to be. And, you know,it's like, you know, things
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like, things like my bookdefinitely have stuff that
allows you to progress, and Ialso can share it, also be
sharing it in a way that a lotof the stuff isn't linear. It's
not like you get to this higherlevel and you're all of you is
there forever. It really is verydynamic. But able to see that
can allow you to really improveyour relationships with you,
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know yourself and anybody,anybody you interact with,
especially those that maybeyou've known the longest,
because those can sometimes bethe most challenging. So.
So do make sure that you aresubscribed following, because
I'm going to share that in anupcoming podcast, and it'll
probably be like other ways thatyou know, this really is
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groundbreaking model that Idon't think I've ever seen it
shared in this way. I've seenlittle bits and pieces, but I've
really, like gotten it down intolike, Okay, this is, this is how
you or who you think you are, orwho you really are, or who you
are not, is working, and that'sa little hint of maybe some of
what's going to so definitelykeep looking so that's something
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I'm nurturing and gettingexcited to share something else
that I am nurturing that'sbudding is I will be providing a
workshop about turning yourtriggers into treasures through
laughter and jokes. And I'mreally excited. But, you know,
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there's a little like, I lovethe joke as much as possible,
and I'm looking forward to andso this is, like a very it's at
a at a retreat. And so I'm sohappy I got selected to be able
to present this workshop for thefirst time ever, because it's
really going to help people. Andthis might be something that at
some point I'm I'm able to teachto a broader audience.
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Yet, you know, these are allthings where, if you're
listening to this and you'relike, Fuck, I want that now,
definitely reach out, connectwith me. And, you know, we can
either go through some of thestuff one on one, or I could do,
you know, do a talk, a workshop,you know, for your company or
your group, or whatever it is.
I've really noticed how, youknow, many people just get stuck
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in something that triggers them,that upsets them, and it's like,
what's it? What's a trigger? Itcould be any depends on the
person, because it could besomething like, you know,
really, really horrible, awful,traumatic violence, abuse, or it
could just be traffic. And thething is, the emotional,
physiological response canpractically be identical, and so
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the ways to work with that canbe very similar. And what I've
noticed is that many people kindof get stuck, and maybe they're
able to to work with that andnot not just bury it or be
buried by it, yet they're notreally able to transmute that
into a form that is able tochange their life and the life
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of those around them intosomething of benefit. Because I
really do believe that anything,quote, unquote, bad, frustrating
that happens to us is can beseen as a gift
that shows us like, oh, there'sthere's a way. There's another
way I would want it to be. Andthis workshop, I'm going to
teach people how it can be thatway. So that's something that
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I'm, I'm nurturing, is that and,you know, coming up with jokes
and things like that, and justlike, oh, how could I do some,
some ballsy, some ballsy jokesthat, you know, if, if needed,
right? Like, you know, thejoking about death, joking about
about cancer, you know,something like, you know, I'll,
I'll do a cancer joke, because Ithink they're funny.
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But yeah, my good friend of minealready recently was, you know,
had suffered, suffering fromcancer. And they were, they were
in the cancer wing, undergoingtreatment, and it was the the
conditions were so bad. You wantto know how bad the conditions
were at this, at this cancerwing, so bad. People are just
dying to get out of there. Now,I think that's funny. That's
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funny. And is it in poor taste.
It is.
But it can also be fun, becauseand laughter is such a gift.
Because this is a littlepreview. Is because it requires
a different perspective thanwhat most people have, and then
what you might be wanting tohave, and then also the laughter
is movement of emotional energy.
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So this is all the good start,and then it's, what do you do
with that after? That's thethat's the big part, because,
again, just taking making jokesof stuff, not necessarily going
to shift it. There's thepotential, right? But it's and
how do you shift it? So I'mreally, I'm excited about this,
this workshop.
So those are things I've beennurturing. And now celebration.
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Let's move on to celebration. SoI did, I did have a birthday
recently, celebrated 44th andeven with, you know, the the
loss and the some of thechallenges in these I really did
have a great, a great birthdaywhere I got to enjoy some good
food. I got to enjoy being at aplace where I could, you know,
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soak in hot tub and cold plungeand steam room and just and then
also just get to lounge andwatch some some good TV with
with a really amazing person. Soit was, you know, it was small,
it was intimate, but it was hadall, all the favorite things
that I really wanted, andthey're celebrating, you know,
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the that experience, and alsocelebrating that in the midst of
you.
Uh, challenges, because in thepast, I've had some really
gnarly birthday experiences,you know, even result in me
going to the hospital those thatlike that gnarly. And this was
very fun, very enjoyable.
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And so celebrating that, andthen also celebrating that.
Basically, in the past month,I've returned to where I grew
up, Orange County, and then alsoI've returned from where I lived
a good chunk of my adult, adultlife after school. So remember,
I went to school a lot. So afterhigh school, I went to Cal Poly
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San, Luis Obispo took took mefive years to finish my
undergraduate degree inelectrical engineering and then
to finish my doctorate at UCDavis. Took me another six
years, but I lived in Folsombasically for like, like 1111,
years, working mostly at Inteland, you know, I owned a home
there at by both Orange County,both Orange County and Folsom,
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very, very suburban, as maybeyou've picked up on that,
I would say I'm suburbanpresenting. Yet I'm actually
quite eccentric. We'll go witheccentric. I don't, I don't do
things the way most people do. Ihave different thoughts, have
different ideas. I've had a lotof very different experiences
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thanwhat most people would assume.
You know, a suburban,white, heterosis gendered male
would would get up to that it's,you know, this box should be
like, it's not even, I feel likethat's it's not even a box. It's
like a character, it's a point.
And I don't fit into that. Iactually believe that very few
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people actually do fit intothat, that, you know, many
people are just pretending, andthat there really is a vast
spectrum of of, of people thatyou know, seem, you know, quote,
unquote orthodox in whatever waythat that's why I kind of, I'm
not a big fan of, you know,people just going, I'm so
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different. And you know, you'renot, and it's like, fuck you.
Like, how do you don't you don'tknow me. You don't know me. Just
because you, you know, maybethere's something salient that
it's clear you are different, oryou're whatever.
There's things that you we wouldhave in common, and then there's
going to be things that I'mdoing, you know? So I really do
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believe that we are, we're humanwith a lot of similarities and
unique. And, you know, there's aspectrum in between that we get
to play with, and it's and it'sbeautiful, and you get to choose
how we want to, how we want toplay from you know, what we look
like, what we where, whatactivities we do, who we do them
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with. That's, that's the beautyof the human experience.
Whenever I'd go to Folsom forwhatever reason, and it had been
two years, and it almost been,like, two and a half or more
since I've been to OrangeCounty, because, again, it's
like, I just had it's like, Idon't belong here. I don't like
these places. I don't like that.
I don't like how the people are.
I don't like how they'restructured.
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Yet, I've, you know, been doinga lot of work on in changing my
opinions and beliefs andidentity with regards to the
suburbs and what they're likeand who they are. And I really
had, you know, really ended upbeing able to enjoy my time in
Orange County,you know, did help that I spent
a good amount of time in LagunaBeach, which is right on the
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beach. So eventually we're goingto have some pictures and videos
coming very soon. So be on thelookout for that again. Make
sure you follow me on socialmedia at Justin Lake PhD,
so you know, you check that out,and I'll and
then when I went to Folsom, itwas just really beautiful. I got
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to go for this friend's birthdaycelebration, and just to
experiencethe amount of nature that is
available, especially this timeof year, of spring, and the sort
of abundance that many peoplethere, I know not everybody
does, but there is, you know, alot of people doing good things,
and there's they're sharing itwith with others. And I got to
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experience, you know, some goodgenerosity, some good
hospitality from from many oldfriends, and they just kind of
come out that we're not allmeant to live the same way in
the same places, and to treasurethat and appreciate that and
enjoy that.
Because we we all have differentthings that we're into at
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different times, because there'salso seasons, like in through
the year. But our lives haveseasons. And it's like, I kind
of, I've had my my suburbseasons. I'm now it's a small
coastal town, small coastal cityseason that is adjacent to a
really big city, which is, Ilove it. I'm, you know, really
close to San Francisco. So Ireally appreciate that for a lot
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of things that I get into and.
Joy, and especially traveled soso those are the things that I'm
celebrating so much to celebrateand
and I also celebrate. I don'teven know if I got a chance to
talk about this yet, but I thinkI did do an episode that I was
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in Guatemala, so celebrating myfirst international trip in over
a year. That was also reallycool. And this leads to
something else that I'mnurturing. See, there's been so
much stuff I've missed you guys.
I've missed you guys so much,but, you know, appreciate you
allowing me the time to takecare of myself, and you know
what I needed to do personally.
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But another big thing is like,you know, so that trip, and you
know, I've done all these othertrips, and this really is
feeling like there's going to bea lot more travel coming up this
year. And the podcast has beenon YouTube for well over a year
now. It's doing phenomenal. Itreally is one of the best
outlets. I'm so happy for thoseof you that are watching on
YouTube. If you're not, go checkit. Go check out on YouTube and
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subscribe. There's a versionwhere you can watch, and there's
a version you canlisten. It's good, it's great.
But it's like, Hey, I got thisYouTube channel, like, I could
actually put some long formstuff of my travels, so working
on a little project of how, youknow, branding that, getting
that out, so that you know, ifyou want to, like, see, like,
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you know what it was like for mein Guatemala, because maybe
you're, maybe you've never evenheard about it, like, what's
that like? And maybe you'll go,maybe not. But hey, I want, I
want you to get to enjoy thefun, the excitement of travels,
even if you're not really ableto, or maybe you don't want to.
So that's, something that'sbeing nurtured and see just so
hopefully, in a month or so,again, so great that you're here
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and remember it's rose bud andThorn. So the rose is what
you're celebrating, the bud iswhat you're nurturing, and the
thorn is what you're eitherletting go of, or what's
currently a challenge or a painpoint in your life, and so, you
know, this is something youbring up if you're having, like,
a dinner party, if it's somebodyyou haven't seen in a long time,
or if it's somebody that you'vejust met, this is going to
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dramatically increase howconnected you feel with those
that you connect with. So you'regoing to get depth much faster.
And and I think that's somethingthat most of us would love to
have more of. And so this issomething you could even do as
somebody that you see every day.
But do you go to this level ofdepth with you know some of
these people you see every day?
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So I'm going to challenge you.
Let me know. Let me know in thecomments who you might be doing
the Rosebud Thorn, check in,drop in connection questions
with, I'd love to hear whoyou're doing it with. That
sounded dirty. Who you doing itwith? Yeah, who you, who you
doing it with, andthen, if you've and if you've
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done it, yeah, tell me who youdid it with. And how did it go?
You dirty dogs. Did you who'dyou do it with? Who you gonna do
with? And then who did you do itwith? Yeah, I want to know what
you're doing and who you'redoing it
to. So, yeah, let me, let meknow in the comments.
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Yeah. And again, if any of thestuff that I'm nurturing or that
I've gotten up to you're like,super excited about and because
really, you know I'm I do stuffthat I enjoy, but if there's
something that you're like, thiswould make my life so much
better. If you got on thismight help me to reprioritize
whatever. So don't be shy. Reachout and go Justin. I really
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want. I really want that. Canyou give me that now? How do I?
How do I have that tool? How doI have that experience? Like,
it's a lot of a lot of life, myfriend, my friend, is just
asking. Just ask. So with that,I ask you, please. You know,
like, subscribe, follow, rateall that stuff. Thank you so
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Justin Wenck PhD,today, we're going to be talking
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reconnect. That's right. So thismight be people that you've
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known a long time, or maybethese are people you've just
met. But how could you quicklyget a deep, deep connection
where you feel like you reallyknow what's going on with this
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or with this group of people. Sothat's what we're going to be
talking about today. And I'mgoing to be checking in with you
my wonderful, wonderfulaudience, because it's it's been
a while since it's been just youand me. If you're a regular
listener watcher of the show,then you've probably been like,
Okay, the last episode was, wasgreat with tomorrow, about
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birthdays and things like that.
But geez, Justin, it was likeFebruary since we last, you
know, got to just connect withwith you, I think. And I'm going
to explain that and tell youwhat's been going on. And you
might have also noticed, youknow, not only was there a break
between new releases ofepisodes, but now you might be
kind of noticing that, wait It'slike every other week. And going
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to go through that, tell you allthat as part of this check in
process that someone recentlytold me about that they they did
at a event,or to think it's a business
school related thing. Yet, I'veseen these. I've seen these done
something similar at dinnerparties and just retreats. And
sometimes I try to do this withpeople I know, or things like
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that, yet I really loved sort ofthe the model of this, the
breakdown. So that's why I'mgoing to share it with you.
Because this is something,again, it's somebody you haven't
seen in a long time, or maybethis is somebody new, or maybe
it's at a dinner party. Becausea lot of times like, Have you
ever noticed that a lot of timesour interactions with people are
very, very surface level. Andsometimes you don't get to the
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things that matter, maybe, maybenot ever and or sometimes, like,
just not until the very, veryend.
It's like I was recently got gota chance to go visit an old
friend for her birthday, whichI'm going to talk a little bit
even more when we get get going.
But we ended up getting to, youknow, catch up for, like, I
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don't know, I was, like, three,four hours, something like that.
And it really wasn't until thevery last like, 10 minutes that
we've gotten to, you know, oneof the, one of the big things
that was coming up for her,which was like, it's keep, keep
hearing, keep feeling like it'stime for, like, a big, big
change in my life. And that's,that's overwhelming. It feels
overwhelming.
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And it's like, I felt so honoredto get to, you know, get to hear
that, and to also share myperspective and things like
that. And it was one of those,like, oh, you know, I'm glad we
got to it, yeah. It's like, oh,would have been great if we
would have had, like, you know,one or two hours to talk about
that, right? So what is thismethod? There's basically three
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parts to it, three parts. Andagain, you can always kind of
decide if you want to do allthree parts, or if you know, you
just want to do one or theother. You know, 123, pick any
two, pick any one, you know,depending on the time and the
structure. And, you know, maybewhat you feel like the audience
is, but yet, going to encourageyou to, you know, because one of
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these is like, ooh, ooh, do Iwant to go there? Do I want to
go there? I'm going to encourageyou to like, yeah. The, whenever
there's a little, like, the thetightness, the that's, that's
where the juice is, you want to,you want to go for the juice,
which means you got to do that.
You got to do the squeeze. Yougot to do the squeeze. Ah,
squeeze it, squeeze it. Yeah,right. Like, then, then there's
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the release. And it's like, Ah,I feel so good, right? Yeah,
those of you listen to thiswhile you're on the toilet, know
what I'm talking about. I know.
I know. I.
I know you people. I know someof you. I know I know what
you're doing when you'rewatching this or listen to this.
I know I'm I get all the data. Iget the facts. Now that's, I
don't even if that is available.
I'm not looking for that. But sothe three, the three things are,
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it's done through the lens ofrose bud and Thorn. So the rose
a beautiful, amazing creation ofnature, something to be
celebrated. So that is sharing acelebration, something to
celebrate. And again, I'm goingto be going through each of
these and sharing my ownexamples recently to help you
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know what's been going on withme and where the fuck I've been.
So the rose celebration, thebud, this is something that's,
it's going to be a rose someday,but it's not quite yet. It's
very it's very tender. It hasn'tfully opened to the world yet.
So this is something you'renurturing, something that's
like, Ooh, maybe you know it'snot, you don't know if it's
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going to work out, right.
So this is the bud. Is somethingyou're nurturing. And then the
thorn, this is something thatyou're letting go of, or I also
like to would include in this,maybe something that's currently
a challenge in your life. So itmight not be something that
you've even figured out what tolet go of, or how to let go, but
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it's a challenge. It's a thornything. So rose bud, thorn
something to celebrate,something that's to be nurtured
and something to be let go of,or something that's currently a
challenge, something that haspotential to be a pain point in
your life. So I'm gonna, I'mgonna share. So again, this is
something that you know, ifyou're at a dinner party, you
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could either do like, you know,each question per round, you
know, or you let somebody gothrough all three, you kind of
just decide how you want to, youknow, or you're, you've just met
somebody, and you kind of go,Hey, I I got, I got some fun
questions if you're up for it.
Because, trust me,people are so ready to, like,
really get to share and toreally get to hear and feel
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connected. So you will be givingsuch a gift. If you're the
person that goes like, Hey, Igot something and some ideas of
something we could talk about.
You know, if you're up for it,you don't have to. I'll be
surprised how many people aren'tjust like, oh my gosh, this is
great. And you might have someof the best connections, best
conversations you've had in yourlife. So for me, I'm going to
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start with a thorn, because thisreally is, you know, the reason
why it's been such a break, andwhy I've kind of gone to doing
every other weeks. I think Itook three or four weeks from
releasing a new episode. And thereason is, had a really big loss
in my family, someone, you know,someone had been really, you
know, big, big part of myfamily. I'm not gonna, I'm not
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gonna say who, who it was. It'slike, if you know, you know, or
if you feel close enough and youwant to reach out, but I kind of
just like, I don't want to getinto the details of, you know,
who and what and how. But it wassomebody, you know, really close
in my family, died, passed away.
And I kind of mentioned that onthe previous episode, the
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birthday episode, because hesaid I got the news two days
before my birthday. And so itwas just like, oh, man, this,
and it's really, reallyimpactful for my for my dad, who
I hadn't talked to. You know, wekind of been messaging, but we
hadn't really been talking. Youknow, I don't think I'd seen him
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for over a year, maybe closer totwo. So really not, not since my
my mother had passed away, whichhas now been two and a half
years, maybe more. There's justsome things that like, I'm not
I'm not good at keeping the timeof things like time kind of
flies, and for some of thesethings, and so, you know, the
loss was, was difficult, andthen just this, like, oh,
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how do, how do I interact withmy dad and things like that, as
was really, it was reallythorny, and I wanted to be able
to go down there and spend thetime. So that was been a big,
big pain point. And I think oneof the things that I'm really
letting go of is just this ideathat I I can plan out my life
and how things are going towork. Because I really thought I
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was going to go on a ski tripthat the week right after my
birthday, I cleared my entirecalendar,
but for some reason, I hadn'tbooked I hadn't booked a hotel
yet. I was going to spend, youknow, four nights ski for four
days. I cleared my calendar, butI hadn't made I hadn't put any
arrangements down that couldn'tbe taken back. And a, you know,
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get this, I get this news. And Iwas just like, Yeah, I'll be
down. I'll be down, you know,on, on Monday, and I'll stay the
week to, you know, help, helpwith arrangements. And, you
know, just, just be there inthis challenging time. And
so is really, you know, reallygrateful that was able to do
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that. And, you know.
Be there for my for my dad, anddo the service and connect with
the other people that wereaffected by this, by this loss.
So that was that's been the bigthorny thing in my life, is sort
of been working through that.
And,yeah, so that's why I, you know,
canceled some of the showsbasically because I just like, I
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don't know what things are,things are happening, and, yeah,
it's because it's kind of like,I like to, you know, there's,
there's some, some people thatdo shows that, do, you know,
influencing stuff, that theyjust like, blah, blah, blah,
blah. That's not my style. Ilike, I like to share with you.
I like to share how you can getthrough things, not just vomit
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stuff at you. I like to, youknow, I'll share that, oh, I
vomited, and here's that, here'sthe here's the medicine that
helped me so that I know I'm nolonger vomiting. Because I want
you to have the medicine. I wantyou to have the medicine so that
maybe you don't have to vomit atall, or for as long or as
painfully. That's one of the biggoals of why I do this show, is
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to, you know, kind of like,bring light to stuff.
And, you know, it's like, I'mgoing to acknowledge the dark
times, the challenging times,yet, you know, I'm the type that
I like to, you know, I have, Ihave my team of support for
that. I'm not, I'm not here toget a bunch of people to, you
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know, go. I'm so sorry.
Or I don't. I'm not looking forthe peanut gallery to tell me
what to do or whatever that so,yeah, I mean, so I'm, I'm
grateful that you all are stillwith me, especially if you're
new, welcome, and if you've beenhere a long time, you know,
thank you for understanding,being patient.
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So, yeah, so that's been thethorn, I would say, is, you
know, this loss, and you know,again, it's letting go of,
really, for me, of just, youknow, thinking that I know how
things are going to work out.
Because, you know, it's, youknow, not lost my, you know,
lost my mom way before I thoughtI would. And there's, you know,
it's like, I kind of thought,like, well, this, this is how
things are going to happen. Andthings are going to be like this
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till, I don't know, a long time.
And, you know, just theuniverse, the world, whatever,
is like, nope. This is happeningnow, and that's happening, and,
yeah, the more that I'm willingto go with it, the easier it is,
and the easier I'm able to getthe gifts out of these
experiences. And that'll thatbrings me to the bud, the
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nurturing. So, I mean, the oneof the big things that I'm
nurturing is the relationshipwith my dad, because it's kind
of, you know, brought ustogether. We're sort of
interacting, you know, talking alittle bit more frequently, and
spent time, got to know what hislife's been up to. And, you
know, he he'd gone through somereally big health challenges.
And seeing him, it's like he'shis physical form is shifted the
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way, like, just, you know,really, kind of like, Huh,
what's, what could thisrelationship be? Now,
after, after this big, this bigloss, this, this, these
challenging times, it's, it'slike, what, what could this be?
I'm very, I'm, you know, unsure.
I'm, I'm going carefully, ofgoing, you know, with love for
myself and him. I think that'sone of the biggest things that
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I've learned, is to make surethat I'm, I'm loving myself,
caring for myself, and from thatplace, then showing up, so that
I can be loving, kind, generous,because I'm seeing in the, you
know, I see in the past, thatthat's not how I showed up, and
It was, you know, caused myselfa lot of pain. It caused pain to
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those around me, and I'veactually, this is maybe a little
bit of something else I'mnurturing,
is, is based off of myexperiences of going back and,
you know, sort of newrelationship with my my father,
and a lot of people that I nowreally have a framework of how
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relationships can can work. AndI'm going to, I've got this
model worked out. It's reallykind of a culmination of, you
know, my lifetime of experiencethat I think I've been able to
distill in a very simple,effective way that I can teach
you, so you can kind of maybeknow where you're at and where
you want to be. And, you know,it's like, you know, things
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like, things like my bookdefinitely have stuff that
allows you to progress, and Ialso can share it, also be
sharing it in a way that a lotof the stuff isn't linear. It's
not like you get to this higherlevel and you're all of you is
there forever. It really is verydynamic. But able to see that
can allow you to really improveyour relationships with you,
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know yourself and anybody,anybody you interact with,
especially those that maybeyou've known the longest,
because those can sometimes bethe most challenging. So.
So do make sure that you aresubscribed following, because
I'm going to share that in anupcoming podcast, and it'll
probably be like other ways thatyou know, this really is
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groundbreaking model that Idon't think I've ever seen it
shared in this way. I've seenlittle bits and pieces, but I've
really, like gotten it down intolike, Okay, this is, this is how
you or who you think you are, orwho you really are, or who you
are not, is working, and that'sa little hint of maybe some of
what's going to so definitelykeep looking so that's something
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I'm nurturing and gettingexcited to share something else
that I am nurturing that'sbudding is I will be providing a
workshop about turning yourtriggers into treasures through
laughter and jokes. And I'mreally excited. But, you know,
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there's a little like, I lovethe joke as much as possible,
and I'm looking forward to andso this is, like a very it's at
a at a retreat. And so I'm sohappy I got selected to be able
to present this workshop for thefirst time ever, because it's
really going to help people. Andthis might be something that at
some point I'm I'm able to teachto a broader audience.
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Yet, you know, these are allthings where, if you're
listening to this and you'relike, Fuck, I want that now,
definitely reach out, connectwith me. And, you know, we can
either go through some of thestuff one on one, or I could do,
you know, do a talk, a workshop,you know, for your company or
your group, or whatever it is.
I've really noticed how, youknow, many people just get stuck
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in something that triggers them,that upsets them, and it's like,
what's it? What's a trigger? Itcould be any depends on the
person, because it could besomething like, you know,
really, really horrible, awful,traumatic violence, abuse, or it
could just be traffic. And thething is, the emotional,
physiological response canpractically be identical, and so
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the ways to work with that canbe very similar. And what I've
noticed is that many people kindof get stuck, and maybe they're
able to to work with that andnot not just bury it or be
buried by it, yet they're notreally able to transmute that
into a form that is able tochange their life and the life
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of those around them intosomething of benefit. Because I
really do believe that anything,quote, unquote, bad, frustrating
that happens to us is can beseen as a gift
that shows us like, oh, there'sthere's a way. There's another
way I would want it to be. Andthis workshop, I'm going to
teach people how it can be thatway. So that's something that
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I'm, I'm nurturing, is that and,you know, coming up with jokes
and things like that, and justlike, oh, how could I do some,
some ballsy, some ballsy jokesthat, you know, if, if needed,
right? Like, you know, thejoking about death, joking about
about cancer, you know,something like, you know, I'll,
I'll do a cancer joke, because Ithink they're funny.
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But yeah, my good friend of minealready recently was, you know,
had suffered, suffering fromcancer. And they were, they were
in the cancer wing, undergoingtreatment, and it was the the
conditions were so bad. You wantto know how bad the conditions
were at this, at this cancerwing, so bad. People are just
dying to get out of there. Now,I think that's funny. That's
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funny. And is it in poor taste.
It is.
But it can also be fun, becauseand laughter is such a gift.
Because this is a littlepreview. Is because it requires
a different perspective thanwhat most people have, and then
what you might be wanting tohave, and then also the laughter
is movement of emotional energy.
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So this is all the good start,and then it's, what do you do
with that after? That's thethat's the big part, because,
again, just taking making jokesof stuff, not necessarily going
to shift it. There's thepotential, right? But it's and
how do you shift it? So I'mreally, I'm excited about this,
this workshop.
So those are things I've beennurturing. And now celebration.
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Let's move on to celebration. SoI did, I did have a birthday
recently, celebrated 44th andeven with, you know, the the
loss and the some of thechallenges in these I really did
have a great, a great birthdaywhere I got to enjoy some good
food. I got to enjoy being at aplace where I could, you know,
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soak in hot tub and cold plungeand steam room and just and then
also just get to lounge andwatch some some good TV with
with a really amazing person. Soit was, you know, it was small,
it was intimate, but it was hadall, all the favorite things
that I really wanted, andthey're celebrating, you know,
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the that experience, and alsocelebrating that in the midst of
you.
Uh, challenges, because in thepast, I've had some really
gnarly birthday experiences,you know, even result in me
going to the hospital those thatlike that gnarly. And this was
very fun, very enjoyable.
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And so celebrating that, andthen also celebrating that.
Basically, in the past month,I've returned to where I grew
up, Orange County, and then alsoI've returned from where I lived
a good chunk of my adult, adultlife after school. So remember,
I went to school a lot. So afterhigh school, I went to Cal Poly
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San, Luis Obispo took took mefive years to finish my
undergraduate degree inelectrical engineering and then
to finish my doctorate at UCDavis. Took me another six
years, but I lived in Folsombasically for like, like 1111,
years, working mostly at Inteland, you know, I owned a home
there at by both Orange County,both Orange County and Folsom,
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very, very suburban, as maybeyou've picked up on that,
I would say I'm suburbanpresenting. Yet I'm actually
quite eccentric. We'll go witheccentric. I don't, I don't do
things the way most people do. Ihave different thoughts, have
different ideas. I've had a lotof very different experiences
(21:27):
thanwhat most people would assume.
You know, a suburban,white, heterosis gendered male
would would get up to that it's,you know, this box should be
like, it's not even, I feel likethat's it's not even a box. It's
like a character, it's a point.
And I don't fit into that. Iactually believe that very few
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people actually do fit intothat, that, you know, many
people are just pretending, andthat there really is a vast
spectrum of of, of people thatyou know, seem, you know, quote,
unquote orthodox in whatever waythat that's why I kind of, I'm
not a big fan of, you know,people just going, I'm so
(22:12):
different. And you know, you'renot, and it's like, fuck you.
Like, how do you don't you don'tknow me. You don't know me. Just
because you, you know, maybethere's something salient that
it's clear you are different, oryou're whatever.
There's things that you we wouldhave in common, and then there's
going to be things that I'mdoing, you know? So I really do
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believe that we are, we're humanwith a lot of similarities and
unique. And, you know, there's aspectrum in between that we get
to play with, and it's and it'sbeautiful, and you get to choose
how we want to, how we want toplay from you know, what we look
like, what we where, whatactivities we do, who we do them
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with. That's, that's the beautyof the human experience.
Whenever I'd go to Folsom forwhatever reason, and it had been
two years, and it almost been,like, two and a half or more
since I've been to OrangeCounty, because, again, it's
like, I just had it's like, Idon't belong here. I don't like
these places. I don't like that.
I don't like how the people are.
I don't like how they'restructured.
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Yet, I've, you know, been doinga lot of work on in changing my
opinions and beliefs andidentity with regards to the
suburbs and what they're likeand who they are. And I really
had, you know, really ended upbeing able to enjoy my time in
Orange County,you know, did help that I spent
a good amount of time in LagunaBeach, which is right on the
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beach. So eventually we're goingto have some pictures and videos
coming very soon. So be on thelookout for that again. Make
sure you follow me on socialmedia at Justin Lake PhD,
so you know, you check that out,and I'll and
then when I went to Folsom, itwas just really beautiful. I got
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to go for this friend's birthdaycelebration, and just to
experiencethe amount of nature that is
available, especially this timeof year, of spring, and the sort
of abundance that many peoplethere, I know not everybody
does, but there is, you know, alot of people doing good things,
and there's they're sharing itwith with others. And I got to
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experience, you know, some goodgenerosity, some good
hospitality from from many oldfriends, and they just kind of
come out that we're not allmeant to live the same way in
the same places, and to treasurethat and appreciate that and
enjoy that.
Because we we all have differentthings that we're into at
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different times, because there'salso seasons, like in through
the year. But our lives haveseasons. And it's like, I kind
of, I've had my my suburbseasons. I'm now it's a small
coastal town, small coastal cityseason that is adjacent to a
really big city, which is, Ilove it. I'm, you know, really
close to San Francisco. So Ireally appreciate that for a lot
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of things that I get into and.
Joy, and especially traveled soso those are the things that I'm
celebrating so much to celebrateand
and I also celebrate. I don'teven know if I got a chance to
talk about this yet, but I thinkI did do an episode that I was
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in Guatemala, so celebrating myfirst international trip in over
a year. That was also reallycool. And this leads to
something else that I'mnurturing. See, there's been so
much stuff I've missed you guys.
I've missed you guys so much,but, you know, appreciate you
allowing me the time to takecare of myself, and you know
what I needed to do personally.
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But another big thing is like,you know, so that trip, and you
know, I've done all these othertrips, and this really is
feeling like there's going to bea lot more travel coming up this
year. And the podcast has beenon YouTube for well over a year
now. It's doing phenomenal. Itreally is one of the best
outlets. I'm so happy for thoseof you that are watching on
YouTube. If you're not, go checkit. Go check out on YouTube and
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subscribe. There's a versionwhere you can watch, and there's
a version you canlisten. It's good, it's great.
But it's like, Hey, I got thisYouTube channel, like, I could
actually put some long formstuff of my travels, so working
on a little project of how, youknow, branding that, getting
that out, so that you know, ifyou want to, like, see, like,
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you know what it was like for mein Guatemala, because maybe
you're, maybe you've never evenheard about it, like, what's
that like? And maybe you'll go,maybe not. But hey, I want, I
want you to get to enjoy thefun, the excitement of travels,
even if you're not really ableto, or maybe you don't want to.
So that's, something that'sbeing nurtured and see just so
hopefully, in a month or so,again, so great that you're here
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and remember it's rose bud andThorn. So the rose is what
you're celebrating, the bud iswhat you're nurturing, and the
thorn is what you're eitherletting go of, or what's
currently a challenge or a painpoint in your life, and so, you
know, this is something youbring up if you're having, like,
a dinner party, if it's somebodyyou haven't seen in a long time,
or if it's somebody that you'vejust met, this is going to
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dramatically increase howconnected you feel with those
that you connect with. So you'regoing to get depth much faster.
And and I think that's somethingthat most of us would love to
have more of. And so this issomething you could even do as
somebody that you see every day.
But do you go to this level ofdepth with you know some of
these people you see every day?
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So I'm going to challenge you.
Let me know. Let me know in thecomments who you might be doing
the Rosebud Thorn, check in,drop in connection questions
with, I'd love to hear whoyou're doing it with. That
sounded dirty. Who you doing itwith? Yeah, who you, who you
doing it with, andthen, if you've and if you've
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done it, yeah, tell me who youdid it with. And how did it go?
You dirty dogs. Did you who'dyou do it with? Who you gonna do
with? And then who did you do itwith? Yeah, I want to know what
you're doing and who you'redoing it
to. So, yeah, let me, let meknow in the comments.
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Yeah. And again, if any of thestuff that I'm nurturing or that
I've gotten up to you're like,super excited about and because
really, you know I'm I do stuffthat I enjoy, but if there's
something that you're like, thiswould make my life so much
better. If you got on thismight help me to reprioritize
whatever. So don't be shy. Reachout and go Justin. I really
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want. I really want that. Canyou give me that now? How do I?
How do I have that tool? How doI have that experience? Like,
it's a lot of a lot of life, myfriend, my friend, is just
asking. Just ask. So with that,I ask you, please. You know,
like, subscribe, follow, rateall that stuff. Thank you so
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much for your patience, for yourunderstanding and your continued
support of the show, and alwaysopen to finding out ways to
better support you with the workand stuff they do with that.
Thank you and good day. Thanksfor tuning in to engineering
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