Reprogramming Pain: Turning Triggers Into Treasures

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All right, so today we have avery special episode where I'm

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the one getting interviewed. SoTanya invited me on her radio
show and podcast in studio,where I get to be interviewed.
So you get to see me, kind oflike, kick back and share some
important things, mostly on thetopic of loss, and maybe you've
experienced loss, or maybe it'shappening now, or it will.

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There's all kinds of loss, frompeople you know in our life to
positions to status to objects.
There's all sorts of forms ofloss. And I found that each time
we lose something, it's anopportunity for us to invite in
more of what we really do wishto enjoy in this life, and
definitely stick around throughthe whole episode. I do share a

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really cool practice of supereasy, super simple, so you can
feel like really good right now,and if you stick around to the
very end, you're gonna get aamazing behind the scenes. Treat
of what? What did people talkabout before they go on the air?
What's going on before you knowthose FCC regulations kick in

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and you there's certain thingsyou can't say. What? What are
people talking about? So we gota little fun of that at the very
end of the episode. So thanks somuch for being here. Hope you
enjoy this special edition ofthe engineering, emotions and
energy podcast with Justin Wenckas a guest on reset with Tanya

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long and the highest form ofpower is the power within. Oh
yes, power power with powerwithin,
because that's about agency andchoice and people choose. I'm
circling back to loss. A lot ofpeople initially will look at
loss as Justin, as taken fromthem, instead of what it makes

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available for them.
When we experience loss, it'swho did this to me, it's
something, someone's where it'sreally it's like I'm part of
this, like I was part of this. Imight not have been aware, but
when step back, it's like we'reoften part of the loss. Are you
ready to live a life with enoughtime, money and energy have

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relationships and connectionsthat delight you? Are you ready
for the extraordinary life youknow you've been missing? If so,
then this is the place for you.
I'm a best selling author,coach, consultant and speaker
who's worked in technology forover two decades. I'm a leader
at transforming people andorganizations from operating in
fear, obligation and guilt torunning off joy, ease and love.

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It's time for engineeringemotions and energy with me.
Justin Wenck, PhD,hello and welcome to reset with
Tanya here at kpcr, 92.9 andgorgeous Los Gatos. It is a
beautiful, sunny, bright blueday, and the forecast for

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tonight is Justin.
It's dark. It's gonna be darktonight. I have been
absolutely worthless gettingready for this session because
Justin and I go back, what, atleast 11 months now, and Justin
always balances things out witha heavy dose of humor. So I am
here today with Justin Wenck,friend, fellow. You're a fellow

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in so many ways. You're a fellowauthor. Actually, do you have
your book here engineered tolove?
I do for those, those watchingon the YouTube or the wherever?
Yeah, yep, two years hard tobelieve. Time flies. Hard
to believe. Two years engineeredto love. And Justin also is a
very experienced podcaster withhis podcast emotions
engineering. I think yourpodcast name is energy

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engineering, emotions andenergy. So you got that E
alliteration going. And as asouthern gal, I love my
alliteration, but you know,we're here to talk about your
resets. And so as I introducedJustin, just a little Justin's
had plenty of resets. He got aPhD in engineering and went off
to do the deep tech work with abig company name in the valley

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that's been around for 50 moreyears. That's Intel. So you've
been at several engineering techcompanies, but the role that I
most equivalent you to is Intel,because then you launched from
Intel, you were delivering yogaclasses at Intel that made you a
little different as a seniormember of the engineering team.
And then you went on to open upa practice where you are

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engineering emotions. That's thename of your company. And then
you wrote a book on engineeredto love, which I think is
remarkable. I'm going to bestereotypical when I say this.
Engineers don't talk about love,and you do, and you're talking
about all kinds of love of self,love of family, love of purpose,
and it's just very impressive.
Thank youso much. Tanya, yeah, it's

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great, great to be here in areal radio station. I haven't
been in a radio studio since Iwas in college, and so funny,
the call letters are on kpcr.
And the last radio station thatI got I was on, I was college
radio. Was Cal Poly radio, CapeCPR, so it's the same letters
just just mixed around. I thinkthey were 92.3 I could be wrong,

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maybe. And it was great gettingto come in here and listen on
the way in. Did you know thatthis station can be heard up to
three miles away? That was abouthow far away poly thing? No,
yeah, it was about three milesaway when I finally could get my
car to actually tune into thestation. So a little tip for the
management is, you want to putthat transmitter up high, like
on top of the desk or something,so it can be so we can

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tell us about that later.
Because I because, actually, ourstation director took a little
weekend trip down south, closeto SLO, where you, I think, went
to undergrad, and he was able topick up the station. I shouldn't
be. It was like Paso Robles. Itwas, he had, there was, he was
so excited. There was such greatrange, I don't
know. Oh, maybe, as I'm comingfrom the north and the coast

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here, so it's different, yeah,maybe, maybe I'm teasing. I'm
having some fun. We're alsosimulcasting. It's on broadcast
worldwide, on the web, because Iwas able to pick that up from
home. And this is great to kindof get to get comfortable with
the radio. Soyou've been listening to
kpcr.org, yeah, I'm hopeful,like my friend in Tennessee,
simply publish this ahead oftime they listen and they send

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me notes. I wish they'd do likesinstead of me private Facebook
messages. I'll take any of thelove I can get.
Oh yeah, it's all good to getthe love. And I often, I used to
tell people that I'm arecovering engineer, but I do
now feel like I'm a fullyrecovered engineer, that I'm
human, that can do engineering,and I can there's so many things

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that I can do, and we all can dothat. So it's often in these
times of loss transition wherethings don't go the way that we
realize we're so much more thanwe get attached to. So what
promptedthat shift for you? Because, you
know, you made quite thecommitment yet, till you went
all the way to get a PhD inelectrical, I think,
engineering, yeah, and then thework of being in a really

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monstrously sized tech company,and then you took that yoga
class and went, and what went inyour own direction in that
world. Yeah, what was behindthat transition for you?
So much of this transition wasmotivated by horrible, crippling
depression, I would say, andwhat, that's what got me into

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yoga, meditation. Was when I wasin grad school, I had some
really challenging depressionthat forced me to go get help
from therapy and even somepharmacology. And I was like, I
don't want to be stuck with thisstuff, like, what else is there?
And so I got into meditation, Igot into yoga, and that was and

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then about 10 years later, Iended up having kind of like
another round around the COVIDtime, and that was really but
I'd like to let people know thatI feel like that era of the
pain, the challenging emotions,the losing your job, the losing
your relationship, the fearthat, well, if I don't do this,
then I'm going to starve, or I'mgoing to be a loser. I'm going
to be a failure. I feel likethose times are going away and

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we are moving towards the you dothings because, well, that
sounds fun, or I don't know thatjust delights my heart, and
that's, I think that's wherewe're going, and it's going to
be a shift for a lot of peoplethat have been used to the old
way of you wait until, oh mygosh, something's on fire. So I
guess now I better figure outwhere I actually want to go,
because I can't be here anymore.
And so instead, you know, we'relooking around and oh my gosh,

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look over there. Isn't that agreat place to go? Maybe I'll do
a radio show.
You know what I think? Yeah,what do I have? You have
a lot of things besides a mermanshirt, besides a merman
shirt, that is a great shirtyou're wearing today. You have
curiosity. You know, you and Ilive in a very intense world.
The people that we that we arewired to be here to help on

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their journeys. It's prettyintense living in the Bay Area,
and people often live inscarcity and fear. Yeah, and I'm
guilty the conversations wehave, but I am far from arriving
at being better at this. It's ajourney, but you really have a
consistent framework of alwaysbeing like that is so cool. What

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will that mean for us? Where I'mlike, how am I going to make
this work? And you're like, Oh,could think of all the ways to
make this work. And I think thatCuriosity has led you to happy.
Yeah, everything is possibilityfor you.
Yeah, because it really has beena How can I actually experience
more happiness? It's been ajourney, and there's a little

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bit of those. You know, thecliche of, oh, when all this
time, and I found out thatreally what I had the whole
time. You wrote the book basedon AI, through the lens of the
Wizard of Oz, where she kind ofrealizes, Oh, you probably know
what the but it's she had it allalong. And it's like, my source,
yeah, my source of happiness iswith me, period, end of story,
and it's within you, and it'swithin each of us. And really

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it's it radiates the other way,like our outside is a reflection
of what's going on inside. Soit's everything around you
sucks, because what's going oninside is pretty awful. Not
good. That's the bad news. Thegood news is you can change it.
You just got to look in and dothe shifting. And there's. Lots
of ways, lots of people out herehelping those shifts.
That's a hard message for somepeople, because, because all

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they hear in that is, it's myfault, I feel bad. So for me,
for the way I receive people,and try to help them see things,
to remind them it's their fault.
They feel bad. There's a fineline, and people are such
perfectionists out of here, outhere, right? People that we
consistently deal with have beentalk of their game and
everything they've done sincethey walked at age two months.

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And they are, they are very highachievers, intent and surrounded
by high achievers. So thecomparison, which I've always
said, that comparison, robs usof joy, yeah, and it does. But I
think that we I'm saying you andme, we have to get past just
focusing on the message that youfeel bad if you choose to,

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because people need helparriving at a different place,
more naturally. WhatI would say is that for men, for
many of us, and for many of youlistening, that it's like things
have happened to you that, yeah,and it's, it's not your fault,
I'd like to shift it. It's notyour fault. It's your
opportunity, yeah, to shift it.
It's, I was at a gathering, andthere was an opportunity to be

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taught, like dancing and stufflike that. And the dance
instructors that it was thewoman had, like, this great
accent, and she was like, now,just be like a baby. Just flow
with it. Just be like a baby,and don't worry about things,
let your body do and don't worryand things like that. And in so
many ways, we are like babies.
We like to think that, Oh, I'man adult, and things like that,
but it's like a baby. They don'tknow everything that's
necessarily going on. They'restill figuring out their senses

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and their capabilities. Andwe're continuously like that.
And it's once we realize, Wait,I see what's going on. I see my
ability. Now it's youropportunity, like before things
were happening to you, but onceyou grow up. And the thing is,
there's no timeline on this. Idon't know, I keep I hear people
talk about kids and nieces andthings and so so and so's not
walking yet or not talking yet,because there's all these

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developmental timelines. But onthese types of things, of like
joy, happiness. There's notimeline. It's like some people,
they get it when they're a kid.
Some people get it when they'rean adult. Some people get it
just before they die. Somepeople, they're not going to get
it in this lifetime. And I'm nothere to force anybody on any
timeline, but it's if anybody'sHey, I think I'm ready, I'm

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curious, and that's when there'sthat saying the teacher appears
when the student is ready. Theteacher's always been there.
It's just the teachers beingpatient. The teacher's there
always.
And what you're saying abouttimelines, I think, is pretty
important, because everybodywants what they want right now,
yeah, and there's plenty ofhistory around us about the
people that didn't pop untilthey were 50 or 70 or after five

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company failures. There's noshortage of metrics around
people arriving at their purposeinto the journey, whether it's
in years or activities that werehard before they got to Nirvana.
And so that's what I try toremind people, because we all
think I'm working so hard,there's a little bit of I
deserve this right now. Yeah,and you do, but learning is part

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of that journey. Yeah,and I get that. And towards the
end of the show, I'll sharesomething so that you're holding
out, you're waiting. Oh, yeah,the code word, you're gonna ask
me for this at the end. But youknow, stick around for the
initial I'll share something ofhow you can get what you want
right now, because now is theonly time you can actually get
anything. People are not goingto wait another 45 minutes for
that. Well, I guess they canfast forward or

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there. It's all good. Let's goback to your dark days of
engineering. Wasn't dark days.
I'm sure there were things aboutit. But when did you not when?
And how did you recognize thatyou needed to make a shift?
Because I think you were in whatmany would consider an elevated
place, a prestigious place, andyou chose to move beyond that

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into something I wouldn't sayit's radically different in
activity. You still maintainties to that, because those are
the people that you help. Yeah,so that was part of your
learning experience. But whathelped you recognize that the
discomfort was enough, youmentioned depression, but what
helped you make a choice toactively do something different?

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It was,yeah, the sort of the pain of,
let's see there I do somethingdifferent, or why even be on
this earth in this form anymore.
And so once getting to thatstate of being, it really does
create the gateway, because it'snow, I guess anything's easier,
because it's the alternative isjust annihilation from this

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experience. And I just that was,I'll be honest, that always
seemed like even more too muchwork for me. I'm just like that
just seems like such a hassle totry to, is it? And so then it's
and then seemed like, usuallyit'd be something where, I guess
I could try this, there'd be,there would have been something
that would have been sprinkledinto my mind that then it's, oh,
I guess I could, I guess I couldgo to this meditation place. I
loved listening to Radio growingup like I listened to all sorts

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of talk radio and Howard Stern.
And I just remember him talkingabout how hard his i. Childhood
was, but the learning, likeTranscendental Meditation,
changed his life. And so thatseed was, like, buried inside of
me. And then when it got toohard for me, I was like, let me
go look out meditation. And alsohe talked about going to
therapy. And so, like, I couldgo get a therapist. And then
once I got going, it was myjourney has really been very

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incremental. It's never been theTony Robbins school math, take
massive action, do massivetransformation, change things
right now. See how big my headis. Like, your head can be twice
as huge as you've got to changenow and burn it all. That's not
working. And it's like, that'sdoesn't have to be that way.
That must mean that you'vewatched some of the the
available content out there forthose genres.

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I've, yeah, I've gone to thosespaces. They they have their
time and their place, and sosome people, they do, but I
found, for me, it's littleincremental stuff. Just my first
position in Intel was doinganalog circuit design, and after
a couple years, I'm like, Idon't enjoy being around these
people because they're notreally all that human. Maybe I
could try being around marketingpeople or just other like,

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sometimes just these like,little, tiny steps can have big
changes over a lifetime of oh,okay, like, I could be around
different people, and they'llhave a different perspective,
and then I need to use differenttools or learn different ways of
being. It's okay. I'm stilltechnical, but now I've got to
learn the some businessy stuffand think about how my message
is being perceived, and how am Ibeing perceived. And yeah, so

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it's just, it's been veryincremental, I would say. So
there really has been a journeyover a couple decades at this
point, and it's like, that's, Ilike to say that I've now
figured out some ways that canspeed that up for people,
because that's one of the thingslike I'm really good at, is your
experienceand what you learned didn't work
and what did work? Yeah, you cansave people the time and energy,
yeah, getting there. Yeah, loveit.

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But if somebody wants to taketwo decades, like they can, but
if they want to compress thatinto two years, you don't know
how you do know how many, howmany late, 20 year olds I've
said, please go to therapy now.
Don't get to be 50 and then doyour good therapy and then have
squandered 20 good years whereyou were doing relationships
wrong. This is typical. It'stypically. And you know who you
are, if you're out therelistening, I've said to people,

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go now invest money. I know youdon't make a lot of money right
now because you know of theplace in life you're just
getting started. Get yourselfsquared away so that you go into
relationships whole and healthy,and you don't waste 20 years on
pain from relationships, andI've got some good success
stories under my belt of peoplewho have done that and are just

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remarkably transformed and howthey look at them at themselves,
so then their relationships aremore fulfilling and clear. Yeah,
I'm gonna take one second realquick and do a quick station
identifier. We are at kpcr LP,92.9 in Los Gatos and sister
station, kmrt LP, one Oh, 1.9out of Santa Cruz. It's a

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beautiful day at pirate catradio. We are here with reset,
with Tanya, with my good friendJustin Wenck, my wicked friend,
Justin wenny, that is a that's areflection on our past. We, we
did a podcast right beforewicked was released back in the
fall, and you were verythoughtful, because you you did
the podcast at the timing youdid, because my book was based

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on the Wizard of Oz theme. Andthen we went and saw the wicked
movie The next weekend together,and it was a lot of
fun, yeah, and I ended up reallyenjoying it musicals, not
necessarily my thing, but aswell done and fun. And I was
glad I went. And it was verythoughtful of you, and it gave
you a conversation point for theall the people that are in your
life that would have Yeah, haveyou seen wicked? Because it was

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such a big release when it cameout. Yeah, good. So something
you said right before the thestation Id made me write down
finding your tribe, because youwere you talked about shut goes.
Hang out with marketing people,some with the engineers. I hang
out with people that think andfeel and act differently. So
finding your tribe, I think, issuch an important part of

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evolving, and I think part offinding your tribe is being
willing to let go of what youhave.
Well, yeah,so did you have to let go? You
let go of the identity as beinga large public company software
leader. You let go of thatidentity,

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yeah, it'd be nice to say that,Oh, that was such a conscious
decision, yet real in reality,it was one of the chant, one of
the releases that was a littlebit thrust upon me. I like to
say I was liberated from my job,but I was, I was part of a
layoff, as part of a layoff, andit was one of, one of many in
the past few years, gutwrenching experiences of just

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what happened. What do you mean?
And yet, also, I've learned thatin any and all loss, there ends
up being so much more to gain.
Because it's like absolutely saythat again, in any loss, there's
so much to be gained, because wejust take the simple metaphor of
right now, I have a book in myhand, but if. So let's say if
Tanya had $100,000 she wanted togive me, I can't take the

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$100,000 from Tanya unless I'mwilling to let go of this book.
And I just dropped it. And Iwonder if that showed up on
these I don't know anyway, butit, it really is like we often
always want more in our life,yet we never want to let go of
anything. And it's at some pointthe universe, however you your
life, you whatever will, ittries gently to go, this is not

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for you. This is not for you.
But at some point it's going toget louder, more forceful, and
that's sometimes when big thingshappen, like you get fired or a
divorce or a breakup, orsomebody dies, even, because
I've experienced the loss of mymother, grandmother, sister, in
like, the last three ish years,and it's also allowed me to
really look at what are myrelationships? And it's I'm so

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grateful for the relationshipsthat have come into my life
since these losses and thingslike that. And I'd say, know
that it's a way of me growingand growing with them, even
though they're no longer here,and I've been able to grow since
I'm not at at a tech company,more the things I've been able
to do and experience, eventhough I was able to do a lot
without having to spend a lot oftime, but it was still like, I'm

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beholden to who's writing thesalary check. And yeah,
and you moved, I think what youmoved into, whether it was
intentional or not at the time,has given you far more choice
and agency, yeah, and what youdo, and that agency, I think,
for many of us, leads to betterfulfillment and happiness. Oh,
yeah. And there's probably manypeople out there that maybe

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gotten to things, and they havesome idea of what it means to be
successful in it. There can besuch a gift and not being
successful in something yet,because success can be such a
trap. There's there's the termthe golden handcuffs, but any
type of success can be a goldenhand. It's if you do something
and all of a sudden you have100,000 people that love that

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ver Can you do anythingdifferent and keep those people?
Probably not. So that's going tobe something even harder to let
go of. So if you've gotten intosomething and it's it's not
going, it's like you just mightbe building one of what might be
required of a few skills beforeyou get to your really big
thing. And if you got too bigtoo soon, it's it might slow
that might actually slow youdown. I've done a lot of things

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where I've, at times, been like,Oh, why am I not good at this?
It's not, quote, unquotesuccessful, and a year later,
I'm like, Oh, I'm so glad thatdidn't work out, because I'm
sick of that now, like we weretalking about
loss, and you and I have some ofthe same losses, identical
losses in our lives. Divorces, adivorce each not the full even.
Anyway, I digress. But beingdivorced is a loss. Losing a job

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we both done that is a loss. Weboth lost our parents. You still
had your dad. Yeah, tremendousloss. And in engineered to love,
you talk about being engineeredto love and how that relates to
loss, I should have preparedahead and picked the passage for
you to read. That would havebeen, that would have been very
prepared of me, because you'vegot some, got some real zingers

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in your book.
I do tend to like, yeah, goodquotes come out. And luckily,
some of them made into the book,because some of them, they just
go out. And I think a recent onethat came to me that I'm like, I
think this is a cool thought wasit was almost like the hierarchy
of power, of like, the like,just power is actually the
lowest form, then there's powerwith others, and the highest

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form of power is the powerwithin. Oh, yes, power, power
with power within, becausethat's about
agency and choice, and peoplechoose. I'm circling back to
loss. A lot of people initiallywill look at loss as Justin as
taken from them, yeah, insteadof what it makes available for
them, yeah?

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Because I think a lot of peoplelook at it kind of how I looked
at what happened after my firstexperience of drinking jungle
juice in college. What is jungleso junk? Jungle Juice is
alcoholic. It's alcoholic. Okay?
It's alcoholic. Where I believeit's just you get a big
container and you just startthrowing in whatever alcohols
and juices. You just mix it allup, and then you just scoop it

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upand drink it. Juice takes we had
a name for that that wasdifferent, I forgot,
but still, there's probablydifferent names based off, you
know, but it's just lots of hardalcohol and then lots of juice
to cover the mask, to the burn,yeah, yeah. So to just it'll get
you messed up, you might noteven know, and then you've got
all of this nasty, cheap,whatever, but you

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were partaking of jungle juice.
I derailed us with, what isjungle?
Yeah, so my first experiencethat I might have had a lot too
much of that, and went to sleeppassed out on my bed, and I
awoken to a whole bunch of vomitin my bed Justin. And my
reaction was, whodid this to me? Oh, good story.
Now you're okay. Who did this tome? Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, somebody. And I feellike, when we experience loss,
it's who did this to me issomething, someone's where it's
really it's like, I. I'm part ofthis, like I was part of this. I
might not have been aware, butwhen step back, it's like we're
often part of the loss, and theloss can be is ultimately for
our benefit, at least that's howI choose to look at and I think

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everyone can look at it that waytoo, because it's like we were
saying, it's like you can't havesomething new unless you allow
some space by letting some stuffgo, and that has to do with
relationships and things likethat, like we can't it's i It's
hard for us to have thatexperience of different forms of
mother and father if our themother and father that we grew

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up with don't physically go awaylike it allows a different
connection to the the archetype,the energy, the whatever you
want to call of allows it to geteven closer to having a ideal,
divine type connection tomother, father, when we don't
have the messed up analogy, I'llshare it, but we're on Public

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Radio. Yeah, it's more just,it's clean, but I had a
somebody, I'll just say some.
Somebody said something aboutafter, like, my mother passed,
and the way some inheritancethings worked out. It was like,
and this person's mother passed,like, when they were really
young, and mine passed when Iwas older. It was just, Hey, is
it fair that you get what yougot? And I got what I got,
feeling like he got the shortend of the stick, because his

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mother passed when he was like ateenager, and so he's thinking
that I'm so much better offbecause I had my mother, and
then I got some other gifts andthings like that. And I didn't
respond to that, because I'mlike, I don't need it. But I had
a thought of, you don't knowwhat it was like growing up with
my mother, and for all you know,it was the greatest gift that
this person's mother passed awaywhen they did, because we don't
know what's good or bad. We justhave this assumption that, oh,

(26:41):
it's better to have arelationship go till death, till
we part, to have a mother andfather live long and but
sometimes, like maybe we'regetting an extra special gift
when they're not in our life, orthey pass soon, like we there's
so many more opportunities. It'sdifferent than what we think is
what we're supposed to have. Sothat's what I Yeah, and

(27:02):
that was being tame. So I'msorry I like cautioned you
before you started, but it talksabout taboo topic of you're
always supposed to go, Yeah, youshould always be the mother is
so blessed, and the fatherdoesn't know. Some are not so
great.
And that's what you learn intherapy, right? Yeah, to not,

(27:22):
not make up your inherited insuch a way that it's not
truthful about what you wentthrough. What I decided in in my
50 year old therapy was they didthe best they could, and that
generation, they lovedifferently children than the
men I date now that are 50,yeah, that have kids. How they
act with their daughters is nothow my daddy acted with me. It's

(27:44):
a different time. We've learneda lot about how to show love.
The generation of our parents,they didn't have that they did
the best they could.
Yeah, like, I kind of like tothink of it as, like,
generations of the PlayStationgame console that, like, exactly
how I think about it. Thereseems to be this expectation on

(28:04):
both sides that it's like theparent to child. Things should
just be, there's some perfectwhatever, but it's no these are
like new generations of hardwareand software. Yes, there can be
a little benefit of where youyou bring the older generation
game to the new platform, butit's it's going to be missing a
little something. It's nottaking advantage of whatever.

(28:25):
And so sort of like that, newgeneration is going to need its
own stuff and be different. Andit's like, you respect the older
generation for all of it,because it let us get to the new
generation. But it's like, you,we shouldn't stop growing and we
shouldn't stop shifting.
There's value in both. I'mthinking about the analogy or
the differences I justarticulated with the men that I

(28:46):
date that have children. It'sdifferent, but I think there
are, there's good and bad onboth sides. With my parents, who
I loved deeply. I learned to beresilient, I learned to be
resourceful. I learned to bevery independent and do my own
things. I think this generationis getting a lot of hands on
love, but with that hands onlove, they're not developing the

(29:09):
same levels of resourcefulnessbecause, because that muscle
isn't that muscle doesn't grownbecause it's like, Oh, let daddy
do it for you. Oh, let mommywrite a check and have that
done. And people want to do goodfor their kids. The childless
woman on the video recognizeslet them skin their knees, let
them grow, let them figure itout. It's amazing what kids will

(29:31):
figure out if you give them thespace. And a lot of parents are
so deeply involved today withtheir kids, it's to them. It's
abusive. If they're not likethey're holding their hand, put
the band aid on the knee everytime there's a little scrape.
And I think a lot of waysthey're the kids get a lot of
love, but they're not, it's notlong term. It's not good for the

(29:51):
long term, because it's notletting them
grow. Yeah, I agree. But alsoshift a little bit that there's
because it's interesting I got.
To on a trip and got to see mygood friend from high school
who's got a 13 year old, niceand so just interesting, just
like, observe, and there's alittle bit of noticing that
it's, I feel like a lot of theway this, this the sun is based

(30:12):
off a lot of my friend, it's,there's a little bit of a 13
year old really wants to becomean accountant, or go into it as
an accounting major of so Ibecause I think this is a little
bit of where parents want to dothe best for their kid based off
the world as they understand it.
Yet the world continues toevolve, and the that like

(30:34):
resilience and things like that.
It to me, I don't believe theworld's going to be a world of
scarcity. It's going to be aworld of abundance. So that some
of that things that werenecessary, of how to scrape and
hustle and all these thingsbuild our own tree houses? Yeah?
Yeah. There's alittle bit like, there's a
reason, like, why humans don'thave tails. I don't know. I
don't know if we ever did orwhatever, but there's some
things where it's like, we're ina different world. We don't have

(30:56):
these things. We don't so theremight be some things that like
you and me had to learn that Iit could be just like, I don't
know how to ride a horse 100years ago. It's like, Wait, you
don't know how to ride a horse.
Like, how to ride a horse.
Really, I probably could. It'sgonna be rough. It's gonna be
but we'll see your storieslater. I mean, I wouldn't be
surprised if the majority ofanyone born in the last five

(31:18):
years, we'll never learn how todrive a car. We'll never learn
how to drive a car because itjust makes sense. There will be
some, because it's fun. Oldtiming this. There's still
people that, but it's now, it's,if you don't get help, somebody
learn how to drive it's they'regoing to be not going to be able
to engage in this world. But theway the world's going, it's like
there'll be abundance of ways toget around in the world that

(31:39):
don't require needing to operateit absolutely and so, yeah,
good,good. So you mentioned the 13
year old, which is a great seguefor me to do this next station
identifier, oh, and I'll tie itinto 13 year old in just a
minute. When I say you arelistening to reset with Tanya,
with Justin Lee on kpcrlp, 92.9out of Los Gatos and kmrt LP,

(32:00):
one Oh, 1.9 out of Santa Cruz.
And the connection to the 13year old is that pirate cat
radio here in Los Gatos isrunning a summer camp for radio
broadcasting. So that's going tostart in June. And I think
that's a great skill, hobby,interest point. We're targeting

(32:23):
13 to 17 year olds for thissummer camp. So look on kpcr.org
to get more information. Itstarts in June, and gosh, I just
think that would be really cool,because a lot of these kids are
interested in podcasting. Theseare such relevant skills. And
you and I know speaking skillsare really important, and to
give these younger people achance to work on that, I think

(32:43):
will be a brilliant way.
Yeah, it really allows a lot ofthings from the speaking,
communication and technology.
Yeah,I'm excited about it. I think
it's gonna be pretty coolanyway. Yeah, so back to what
were we talking about. When lastI jumped off the 13 year old
bridge. Ijust know, speaking of bridges,
the Dumbarton bridge, if you'reheading over that right now, it
gets higher in the middle toallow boats to pass through, and

(33:05):
then it comes down so you canconnect with the other roads. So
that's your traffic reportcoming out of Thank you. Thank
you. Kpcr, ourlisteners across the US needed
to hear about the Dumbartonbridge, and they're now they're
asking dumb Barton, poor guy whowas Barton,
it's just a it's just a funnyname for any of some things.
Dumbarton, youare right? So we've talked about

(33:26):
loss, yes. Loss is really just atransition. You and I help
people with say, yes. Tanya,yes, I got you to do it. That's
awesome. But loss is just atransition, and you and I help
people with transition. So thelosses that you've had, and
we've talked about the differentnot layers, but the different

(33:48):
types of losses, they all comewith different lessons learned.
Yeah, and you've had several ofthose lessons. How have those
things directly helped you tohelp others? Because you're not
writing code so much anymore.
You are. You're helping peoplerecode.
Yeah, how they think and feel.
Yeah. It's the great thing aboutnot having identity is it's so

(34:12):
much easier to not take stuffpersonally. So I feel like the
gift, one of the biggest giftsof any form of loss is, it
really is a loss of any solidityto our identity, which I know a
lot of in the world, is it's bigon my identity is important. You
can't tell me that. I can't dothis, because I'm this thing.

(34:33):
And I don't even have to saywhatever the thing is you're
thinking of, that's it. And asmuch as you love it or as much
as you hate it. It's limiting,because I've really gotten to a
point where I view myself as ahuman and unique, and then the
rest are just kind of likeattributes I can kind of play
with. I it's like I havepreferences, I have things I
want to do, but that's like, forthe most part. You tell me it's

(34:54):
like Justin engineers are theworst thing ever. What. Shoot
you tell me anything about Yeah,there'll be times that I'm I'll
get pissed off or upset orwhatever, yeah. But for the most
part, I can get over that prettyquickly. And so it allows me to
be of service more like had thegreat opportunity, went to this
gathering in Florida, and I gotto offer a workshop where I was

(35:15):
teaching people how to turntheir triggers into treasures
with humor. I love it, yeah. Ilove it, yeah. And five of the
people loved it too. Out of theseven that showed up and two
that I had, the one guy that isjust, he's I don't get it. It's
just, I'm not getting it, like Isaw this guy in a couple things.
He's just the I'm not getting itguy because his brain, but he's

(35:37):
getting it, and I don't have toforce him argue, whatever. And
then I also got the woman who's,I didn't actually get her name,
but we can just say it wasKaren, that she's just really
attached to being frustratedwith what she doesn't have, and
just like what, yeah, and I'mjust respect. I'm able to like

(35:57):
respect and allow her to be whoshe is, where she is, and maybe
some of the stuff I said, willthose seeds will sprout later or
not? Yeah, but it's, I'm gonnaappreciate the people that got
it and trust that the peoplethat showed up that maybe didn't
get it right, then they will getit. So I feel like that's been
one of the big things, is Iagain, it's like, I appreciate,

(36:17):
it's I always look for ways thatI could improve, change shift.
Like, afterwards, I'm like, ooh,if I presented it in this little
shift of it, like, it might makeit a little bit more accessible,
whatever. So it's not aboutline. I don't have to worry
about anybody else. It's notthat. But it's, I'm not so
worried that I'm not going to domy thing and I'm not going to
say what I'm going to say,because it's like people are

(36:39):
telling me some verychallenging, triggering things
of how this lesson I just gotbroken up with two weeks ago,
and this is how he did, and thisis what's coming. And so someone
tell us, like, hey, pause, skipto the end. What's really going
on here? Yeah, if I was stilllike, and it's one of my big
identities, like, I'm somebodywho's nice to everybody. That
used to be an identity ofsomeone who knew I was like, I'm

(37:01):
so nice and so likable. Everyoneneeds to like me. That person
can't truly help people whenthey need it, and it's not kind.
We both coach loss even whenit's not framed that way. Lots
of times, when people are fearunsettled about some form of

(37:21):
loss that doesn't necessarilyinvolve a human transition and
passing. It's the losses ofjobs, the losses of marriages,
those kinds of things. But Ifind that the loss of status the
biggest, most complex anddifficult loss to help people
through, including myself. I'velived that that identity debt,

(37:42):
yeah, and it's not easy to comeout of. And what? Where's the
oxygen tank that helping peoplesee a different path after a
loss that involves status is oneof the hardest to bring people
out of. For me,yeah, on. I that this is an
issue. I think somebody's got toreally want to be open to
letting go of that. And I don'tknow if it probably just doesn't

(38:08):
get on someone's radar untilthey've actually lost their
status, honestly,or, Oh no, that's a very
important thing you just said,yeah, it is never, in my
experience, it is never onpeople's radar. Yeah, and it's
the element of, I'm notsuggesting people go around and
prepare for loss, because youcould spend your that's not the

(38:30):
solution, but how peopleidentify with accept loss. And
in fact, even for me, you and Ihave talked about detachment,
because I love that word, beingdetached from outcomes, yeah,
but I am starting to transitionmy own thought processes, not
just because detachment ispassive and I am not it can be

(38:50):
passive and I'm not passive. I'mswitching my mindset more to
acceptance, yeah, becausedetachment reflects to someone
else, I don't care. I don'tcare. You can do whatever you
want. I don't care. I do carewhat you do, but I accept what
you do. And I think that, Ithink this conversation is

(39:13):
parallel to the healingconversations that happen when
people are dealing with loss ofstatus. To
me, I think how I would, I guessif I was going to define
detachment, I would say it'sdetaching my emotional state
from anybody else's actions orwhatever, which is different
than having boundaries. It'slike I can still have

(39:36):
boundaries. I'm not going toallow myself to get upset by
what somebody does, but thatdoesn't mean I'm going to invite
them back. Invite them back overfor dinner again if they did
something.
Because the being angry, thebeing upset part, doesn't say
no,and it often doesn't change the
other person. In fact, often, itusually ends up allowing them to
continue being who they've beenand are yes and some sometimes
just more more. More and more, Ijust end up smiling and being

(40:00):
amused. And I know there's somepeople that they just get so
frustrated. Why is this guyso like yesterday, I was at a
group lunch with you weeks whereyou couldn't stop smiling, and I
was the only one at the tablewho knew, yeah, up what that
meant, what those code signalswere
there. I'll say that there aretimes where they're kind of like

(40:23):
little pokes at the statusthing. And I experienced this
yesterday, because I think I wastelling you before the show, I
went to Calistoga, where theyhave all these natural mineral
springs and things like that.
Went to one place like this, andgot a mud bath, which is great.
This is why your skin looks sogood. And just yeah, I'm I'm
radiating. You are. Youliterally been grounded? Yes.
And a bunch of myliterally been grounded, but

(40:43):
I'll bump mud bath, yeah.
And when the procedure was openover there was a power outage in
like the whole town, and that'sfunny. There was a woman who was
losing her mind because shecouldn't blow dry her hair.
She's like, I'm supposed to gooutside like this. How
embarrassing. What, like, wheream I supposed to plug this in?

(41:06):
Is there anywhere is like,that's a bit of a form of loss
of status, right? Of like, thestatus of being pretty her
dignity was to be able to go outquaffed, yeah, for some reason,
needed that. Yeah.
And to me, I'm just like, I'm ina relaxed chill mode. Anyway, I
think I can just keep chillingand relaxing. And I did for the

(41:28):
next two hours, and then thepower came on. It's like there
was a pool. There's plenty ofstuff to do. And yeah, so it's
like people will sometimes getthe world can status check you
at any time. And so if you're ifyou ever get frustrated, it's
like there's an attachment tostatus. But I will offer that
there is a way to moreproactively do it is to do

(41:50):
something new, do something youhaven't done before, because
you're not going to have statusat it. You're going to be you're
not going to be good, you'regoing to have a hard time,
you're going to be less thaneveryone else, and so notice
what comes up. And so thenthat's if it's really
frustrating, really challenging,whatever it's like, probably
time to get some tools, get somepractices, talk to some people.

(42:11):
Because so I because I dobelieve that, like all of these
times of loss and things like,they can be really awful, but
they don't have to be as awfulthey can be it can be more
easeful.
It's a mindset shift. Yeah, youand I know, because the way we
show up with people, you cantake two people and identify the

(42:32):
same calamity each of them,yeah. Some people are like, very
interesting. Well, I do withthat, yeah. And then other
people are like, I can't thehair dryer doesn't work. Why am
I ever going to get home? Yeah?
Because, because, because me. Iwas like, Oh, the power's out.
And even better, detox, like,now I don't have any
Exactly. Now I'm just imagininga power had controlled water

(42:53):
supply in terms of pumping itinto wherever you were, and you
would were in mud for the restof the afternoon. That probably
would have been inconvenient.
Yeah? Would have been a funnystory to tell. Oh yeah, yeah. My
20 minute my bath lasted threeand a half hours because there
was power, yeah, yeah, becausea lot of things like the sooner
you can get to 30 years fromnow, if you looked back, would

(43:13):
what would you think about it ifyou could do that now, it's just
skip to the oh, this is anenjoyable story on being a part
of Oh, my gosh, yeah. That'san interesting framework to
consider. If people have thoughtabout, how do I turn this into a
good story? Because this is aunique experience, yeah, so how
do I turn it into a good story?

(43:34):
We looked at things with thatmindset. We might create a
feeling of purpose in what ishappening and enjoyment of it,
maybe. So what the before I askthis question, it is time for
kpcrlp, 92.9, is where we'rebroadcasting from, and sister
station, km, RT, LP, one Oh, 1.9FM, we are a public radio

(43:58):
station, and that means that webuild messages for the
communities that we serve. Sothis station is in Justin was
asking me before the episode, Iwould say is a very heavy,
creative music itinerary set.
And then they have some highquality talk shows like resa
with Tanya. And there are somelocally based talk shows where

(44:19):
local business leaders andcommunity leaders are profiled,
so that the community learnsthose people this is a public
funded, user funded experience,and I'm so proud to be part of
it, because what we're doing, Ibelieve, is a service to the
people who get to be in Thiscommunity and be part of that

(44:39):
creative process. So you'regrinning. I'm not gonna ask what
that's about, but I'm gonna askon this thread that we've been
on around people accepting whathappens to them, what do you
think in all the experienceyou've had dealing with people,
what are the themes that makepeople succeed? Successful at
accepting or not being attachedto outcomes. What are the

(45:04):
characteristics of people who dothat more successfully?
I'd say that one of the thingsthat can lead to success, or
just more more contentment moreoften, is when it really is

(45:25):
practice? I think there's oftenthis, oh, when this happens,
then that. But it really, reallyisn't. Life is not this, then
that it's not. We'd like tothink it's linear, because
that's the mind. But the mind isreally not who's in charge, or
it shouldn't be. Can't rememberwhose quote it is, but it's like

(45:45):
the mind is a great servant buta horrible master. And so it
really is that the more you canpractice with getting out of the
attachment of what the mind isproducing, because we don't get
frustrated with how our heartchanges beating or how our
breath changes. It's often thethoughts run around, but the
mind thinks, the heart beats,the breath breathes. Who is the

(46:06):
one experiencing all that? Orwhat is that? That's the real,
the you, that's the real me, andthat's the real the real
essence, the real consciousness,the real source of it all. And
so the more it can get intothat, and it really is just that
noticing and going like, I'mgoing to, I'm going to shift my
attention to something, anythingelse, because that's really kind
of like what acceptance is,recognizing that there's

(46:27):
something happening, and justgoing, this is happening, and
I'm now, I'm going to choosewhat to do with it. There's
usually a habitual response ofsomebody did something in
traffic, so I now I expressanger at them. Yet there's also
the option of noticing, oh, thisis happening. And I can now

(46:48):
maybe notice, well, that was aninteresting color of the car
that cut me off, orthat's exactly what I say.
There's there starts to be truthforward. There really starts to
be an infinite number of otherthings than the thing that is
done over and over and over andagain. We're often we're all so
boring, really, so incrediblyboring doing it with the same
100 things every day in, dayout. This happens, then that

(47:11):
happens. This happens then thathappens when, and yet,
we take ourselves so seriously.
Oh my gosh, I'm the worst. I amChief center and Saint for
taking myself too seriously, butyeah, as you were talking a
moment ago, I know that you'veworked with lots of different
people, which is such aprivilege, right to have all
these juicy conversations andtransformations that you help to

(47:32):
facilitate that you plant seedsin what are some of the tools or
techniques for acceptance thatyou might offer to the people
who are listening.
Yeah, so thanks to everybodywho's been sticking around since
me of the show. Do we get itnow? Yeah, I think this is a
great time. I didn't mean to setthat up, but I'm glad we did.

(47:52):
Yeah, okay. Is becausereally it is shifting out of
whatever you're it's like you'reon a train, but you don't want
to be on the train anyway. Youcan always get off. You can
always get off the train, but ittakes practice to get good at
coming on and off the train. Thetrain will always suck you back
in, but it's just rememberingthat you can get off. And it
really is just doing somethingthat's right here, right now, in

(48:15):
the present moment, likesomething I like to say, it's
like getting to it the truth ofnow, because really, whatever
we're experiencing in the hereand the now, that's the only
thing that is absolutely true.
Anything you and I have said, itcould be complete lies. Could be
complete lies made up. The factis, somebody heard it. That's

(48:37):
true. There's no debating the soI'll offer there's three things
to this, but if you only get oneof them in a moment, like you're
doing, great. So it would Thefirst is to breathe, breathe
deeper than you would usuallybreathe, so like inhaling
through the noseand then exhaling through the
mouth.

(48:57):
So that's like the one otherthing. And then the second thing
is, when you're doing that, youcan imagine that you're like
breathing into your heart, likeinto the heart area, and then
exhaling out to wherever. Sojust that's not a second thing
is, it's like the breath thenattention on your heart area.
And the third is you can just beas you inhale. You can just say,

(49:19):
I love myself. So just likeinhaling, I love myself.
And so if you just do one of thethree things you're doing,
great, two of the three thingsalso good. Three out of the
three. But I would challengeanybody, if you can remember, to
do that at least once a day anddo that consistently over the

(49:40):
next three weeks, to probablynotice some profound shifts, and
the more you can do it. This isthe kind of thing that like
driving down here, that I canjust do of just, I love myself.
Just got cut off. I can't getthe radio station on my dial. I
love myself. It's coming into myheart, letting it out. Because
how much better. Is that,compared to anything else that

(50:02):
you're likely going to bethinking that's Justin naturally
rattling around, it's I haveself talk. Yeah, oh, I have the
most awful, horrendous defaultself talk of judging myself. Of
other people, I should havegotten the radio station thing
figured out yesterday. And it'slike, this person what? They're
going too slow. That person's amaniac. They're going too

(50:22):
fast. Person's driving a pinkcar for God's sake. Yeah, yeah,
thinking,yeah, that's not even Mary Kay.
Oh, you didn't earn that carthat you know. Oh, my goodness.
All right, thank you for that.
Yeah, and when people areexhaling loudly on Zoom calls
across America tomorrow willknow that they listen to the

(50:44):
podcast what you shared. Thankyou for that moment of teach and
reach. Yeah, yeah.
And you're if you breathe in away that people can hear it,
that's a service to otherpeople, because then they go,
Well, maybe I should breeze too,like it can be, like, it can be,
like, a real fun thing, becauseI think most people maybe are

(51:05):
aware that, like, when you yawnit it causes other people to
yawn, yeah, but that can happen,and it's just wait. I'm
powerful. I just did a deepbreath, and now you see, I
notice other people breathing alittle bit more deeply. We're so
powerfulto the world. Yeah, I love
it, yeah. Speaking of service tothe world, we haven't talked
about technology atall. Isn't that amazing? Isn't
it wonderful?

(51:28):
Feelings.
Talk about the kpcr radio campfor the teens.
A little bit fine. Yeah, it's astretch to say that was a
technology I justwanted to sound like a great
event that I wanted to plugagain. Yeah? Well, thank you for
the kids.
You for that you've done improv.
We've talked about improv. Ihave gifts, so thank you for all
those gifts that you've giventoday. But on, on the Tech Talk
side, what role do you thinktechnology plays and well being

(51:55):
or could play at the funconversation? I'll
answer this the way. I'll justsay, I'll answer more of just
what I think the role oftechnology should be period. The
role of technology should be toservice however we desire
Period. End of story. So I heara lot of people that have all
these credentials and all theseexperience going I think

(52:17):
technology and AI is gonna dothis to us and that to us, and
I'm like, I don't care. I'm ifyou can't say what you want it
to do, you probably should. Youknow, go retire and not bother
anybody anymore. I wanttechnology to be here to serve
us, so that we can enjoy ourlives, connect with other
people, get to be more artistic,live, live in a world of

(52:38):
abundance, where we don't haveto worry about doing things to
eat, to have medical care, tohave places to live. That's the
kind of world that I'm puttingin, that I'm creating, that
technology is going to be here,that it's going to be the most
incredible servant. It's goingto be maybe like the fourth
servant that's our heart servesus, our lung service, our mind
service. And then technology isgoing to serve us. It's been

(52:59):
backwards for way too long wherewe have been serving technology.
It's time to end that. And ifsomebody is not about ending
that, stop listening to them.
Stop paying them the intention.
They're a child. They're achild. We've let the kids run
amok for too long, especiallyhere in Silicon Valley and in
other parts of the world, it'stime for the adults to go, all
right, kids, that was cute.
We're gonna make this actuallysomething that's gonna be really

(53:21):
enjoyable for everybody? It'stime for technology to be for
everybody Period, end of story,and that'll just result in great
wellness. Ilove it. What would be your
number one tactical, practicaltip? I'm talking about the real
meat and potato stuff. Don'tlook at yourself on at night
when you go to bed. Those kindsof which one resonates for you
the highest, Iwould say one big thing is

(53:44):
ignore the news as much aspossible. Ignore as much news as
much as possible. If it's reallyimportant, somebody will tell
you, and then after that, asmuch types of digital detox. I
think it is good to have a nophone from at some point, don't
go to the phone right when youwake up. But oh my gosh, even

(54:05):
just a four hour digital detox,it's it can be like quite white
knuckling often, but you feel sorefreshed afterwards. And then,
if you can then do that for awhole 24 hour period, yeah. But
again, start small.
Okay, and build. Thankyou. Start small. Make
Improvements. Build. I could goon for another hour, but we're

(54:27):
at the top of our hour, so let'send this with help our listeners
understand how they canexperience you. Get in touch
with you the mediums. I know wetalked about the beginning of
the call, but let's let yourecap that one more time as we
close.
Yeah, it's great to be here.
Kpcr, 92.3 92.9 FM Los Gatos,California, you're hired. I'm

(54:49):
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hour. We got to get the callletters out on fixed.
We can get in touch with you onLinkedIn. So
I'm Justin Wen. Think PhD on allthe major socials, including
LinkedIn, Instagram, all thosethings. Justinwink.com, is great
to find. The podcast, stuffabout my book, I have some free
offerings there. There's yesthat you can get you

(55:12):
have an excellent meditation, Iwill say, because I called you
when I did it. It was excellent.
Yeah.
Thank you so much for findingthat, because now it's even
easier to find there under thefree offerings webpage. So good.
And you're on the two yearanniversary of your books. I
noticed you had some programsgoing on for packaging with the
book.
Yeah. So it's like the 99 centsfor the Kindle, and then

(55:33):
everything's else is literallythe lowest possible price Amazon
would allow it to be. Soyeah, all right, it's a gift to
people to be able to read whatyou share and in the way that
you shared. So thank you. Thankyou
so much. And yeah, I'm open forone on one, coaching consulting
and then also giving talks toteams and groups and things as
well.
Then I hope we see more of youtalking to teams and groups to

(55:55):
make this a better world.
Yeah, thank you so much. Tanya,so
we have been here on kpcr, 92.992.9 FM in Los Gatos with sister
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mother a new one. Cox like amotherfucker. Tits, then George
Carlin, then George Carlin addedin fartured and twat

(57:01):
and twat, yeah, okay, becausetwat announced that there's
really no other George Carlin,he was, he was Justin amazing
soul. Yeah, he really was.
People remember his potty mouth,but he
it was potty with a purpose. Itwas, he was profound, yeah, she

(57:21):
was profound. Hmm, we're fourminutes in.
I'll tell him the world to wait,and then everything happens all
at once.
I should try to hide my water,because we don't want to get you

(57:42):
in trouble. On Yeah, on video,yeah.
Or actually, when he comesthrough there, he'll be able to
see it, so maybe, okay, I'll putit. I'll
put it on a chair here. That'son science. You
This is Justin anything andeverything, kind of a station.

(58:11):
It's mostly music, mostly guyssitting here having reggae hour
and playing reggae. And thingwas good, oh yeah, and
I heard them talking on the showbefore about laying down riffs
or something, yeah, likeanalyzing the music, like we
would analyze, yeah, yeah.
Because I'm like,this is definitely not

(58:31):
commercial radio stuff. No,it's not commercial. And I will
do, you saw, I'll do breaks todo station, yeah, PSAs 15 mark,
yeah, yeah. So it's justdifferent and fun. Three
minutes after the hour, 73,degrees. I usually do over

(58:52):
the reports for I'm like,beautiful, sunny or
cloudy, or Yeah, over forecastfor tonight, dark.
That's the George Carlin joke.
I didn't know that one. That'sfunny.
That's from when I can beforehis earlier stuff, when he was
almost doing, like, morevaudevillian type, uh huh.
Oh, my god, yeah. And you remindme of Jim's, the guy that I was

(59:14):
hanging out with a lot when Iwas like, 2021 and he was a
George Carlin freak. He knew allthe stuff,
hot water heater. Why do theycall it that hot water doesn't
need to be heated? How about acold water heater? A hot water
cooler? Yeah. Didhe do drugs heavy or no? What's

(59:37):
What was it? Did George do drugsheavily or No, I think he had
did some, yeah, maybe he's theLSD
stage, at least in the 60s andstuff like that. I think he did.
I don't know what, when he gotolder, what he did,
but close to popping, huh?
Close. Oh. How do I adjust myvolume on the cans? I. Look and

(59:58):
see where you're plugged in,and then wherever you're plugged
in, I.

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