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March 15, 2021 53 mins

In this episode, Thom interviews his former student and current training partner- a seasoned police officer from NYC who  has successfully used, and now teaches, empathic interaction to encourage nonviolent resolutions and arrests.

Listen in as Thom and Ret. NYC Police Detective Anthony Torres talk about their history and how Anthony applied what he learned in a class, to his work on the streets of New York City.




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