February 3, 2025 • 58 mins
Chris Maher dives deep into his journey as an actor, producer, and model, sharing insights and experiences that define the entertainment industry today. He provides listeners with an honest look at the challenges and triumphs of navigating a career marked by resilience and adaptation in a constantly changing landscape.
• Chris's early acting and modeling experiences
• Transitioning from modeling to serious acting pursuit
• Differences between shooting for film and TV
• Unique filming locations and their impact on the production
• Challenges faced during indie filmmaking in the pandemic
• Discussion on industry shifts towards streaming vs. theatrical releases
• Chris's upcoming projects and collaborative efforts
• Encouragement for aspiring artists in the entertainment field
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hello and welcome to entertain this.
It's a podcast about movies, tvshows and video games.
Way to say it with enthusiasm.
Video games I'm Tom With me.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I have Hayden and Mitch.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And we have a special guest.
We have Chris Marr the seventh,the king of a place I've never
been made aware of, actor,producer, writer, known for such
films as Locked In BlowbackCanyon of the Dead Mojave
Diamonds.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You do say Maher, right?
How do you say your last nameone more time, I'm sorry.
Maher like Bill Maher.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Thank you guys.
Very excited to be on your showtoday.
Looking forward to entertainthis, I'm excited With the
exclamation point.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah entertain this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
With the exclamation point.
That's right.
We have an angrier show calledGo Entertain Yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, go entertain yourself.
Kid, Get out of here.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
When we first started , there was another entertain
this that started like two weeksafter us, that had like the
little dot dot dot after theirname.
So we had to make a point.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, we had to dominate and win.
So far we're the only survivor.
They gave up like two years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, chris, I'm going to start off with a bone
to pick, because you have nobusiness being this talented and
this handsome.
So tell me something wrongabout yourself so I feel better.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Well, thank you first off for thinking that I'm
talented.
What?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
do you got?
Give me a flaw, give me a flaw,come on.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Oh, I got like a wart on my finger.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh man, oh, thank gosh.
Tainted goods.
Why are we even?
Talking to this guy, but youguys have epic beards.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I hope your audience can see them one day.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
One day I see those One day, whenever Tom moves out
of an apartment into a house,then we can.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, we're in the process.
I got pre-approved for amortgage.
Things are going on for mystarting family.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Get ready to pay 8% on that a year.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So far it's at 6%.
Oh, okay, Well there you go,but we're not here to talk about
the housing market.
We're here to talk about ChrisM.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Mr M, like when you havea substitute.
Who has a name?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
you can't pronounce, it's just like Mr M Marinar,
have a substitute who has a name.
You can't pronounce it's justlike Mr M Marinar.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Marinar.
You know what?
It's okay.
I've got friends I've had forlike literally 10 years and they
still can't get my last name.
I don't get it.
I don't know why.
I talk to them like every otherday.
They're like where's Marinar?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It's like no, I have two first names, so I mean these
two guys butcher my name.
They call me Brandon or Hayden,depending on what they feel
like.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, just the spur of the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It just depends.
All right.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, hayden on Hayden.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not Phillip Phillips or
anything like that, haydenHaydens.
So where are you from if youdon't mind telling us?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Totally cool.
I am from the very exotic landOf Council Bluffs, iowa.
Oh, you're our first Iowan.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We got potatoes out there.
No, that's Idaho.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Idaho has potatoes and Napoleon Dynamite.
Iowa has radar From MASH.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
My hometown.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
The most famous person from my hometown is the
original Blue Ranger, billy youdon't know what you've just done
.
They're going to talk aboutPower Rangers now you guys have
the Power Ranger force going onhere that was our bridged one
Hayden had deployed for a year.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
so we changed our thing to just me and Mitch, and
me and Mitch love talking aboutPower Rangers as much as humanly
possible.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They got it out of their system.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I thought we had our own spinoff show.
You didn't know about.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Then you came on the podcast, Chris M.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Now we can just talk about the origins of the Blue
Ranger, the OG Blue Ranger.
That'd be cool.
That would be an awesome roleto play, like come back and be
Blue Ranger number 20 orwhatever they're on now.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
They're rebooting it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
We digress let's get back on track here.
All right, getting back ontrack.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
How did you get into the biz, if you don't mind me
asking?
Oh, I don't remember.
I had done stage and theaterstuff my whole life, from junior
high, high school.
I even started doing it incollege a little bit.
I left for a while in collegebecause they were really mean to
me, they didn't like me.
So I was like all right, I'llgo be like a serious person and
study economics and policy andlaw Traveled.
(05:08):
I came back from traveling andstudying, working abroad for
some years, and a friend of mineactually asked me to audition
for a runway modeling show thatshe was putting on here locally
in Omaha, right next to Omaha.
Wow, and so.
I did?
I got it.
I got on stage, I got likeprofessional photos.
(05:30):
It was doing like TV interviewsand I was like, hey, this is
fun, I miss being on stage.
Yeah, this is cool stuff.
And then I ended up moving toChicago where I started doing
more of a modeling Okay and thentaking more acting classes and
doing commercials and doing moretheater stuff with Second City,
which was awesome, and fromthere starting to get into
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movies and now shows.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So you got into it by being handsome.
Yeah, I got into it.
They just went hey, that guy'sgood looking, let's get him in
here.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
They're like but can he?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And then, and then they're like no, he can't I get
paid not to be in stuff well, Imean, uh, traditionally the
actors we talk to they, they gothrough the education route,
like we talked to some peoplethat have been through I I can't
remember some of the schoolsI've been through but like they,
you know do you remember whatPeter Jacobs went through?
(06:29):
He was educated in New York,yeah, so film some acting school
or something so they, they gothrough school and they get
their foot in the door to seethe opposite side, where the
modeling standpoint, and get in,is there a lot do?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
do all models aspire to be an actor?
No, many of them actually thatI know and speak to are like no,
not for me, don't want to talkon camera, I just do the thing.
Where you know I can smile, Ihold the thing and smile.
That's it?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
do you have like your own zoolander pose?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I might.
What is this blue steel?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
what his was.
Blue steel.
What's yours called?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
we just, you know, call it.
He goes for this blue steel.
I aim for the magnum.
Still haven't the magnum.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I call mine the magnum so like do you see a lot
of models who aspire to be anactor and you're just like no,
sorry buddy, you're just gonnabe a pretty face oh, no way, I'm
a very positive person.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I encourage anybody and everybody who wants to act
to try, because you never know,okay, and you don't have to be.
You know you can be a model ornot.
I particularly love peopleactors who have great character
looks or character voices,because I personally just love
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characters, seeing charactersand those sort of things.
I tell people hey, you want toact, go for it.
Just, if you have questions,just ask, tell you how to get in
.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So you grew up in this, I guess a theater
background, middle school, highschool, a little bit.
In college they made fun of you.
You were like, all right, I'mgonna get into the business
world.
And then the modeling worldjust grabbed you and it's like
you're not done, kid, get backout there on the runway.
And you're like, man, I couldtotally go back and do this
again, like what was the first,like acting credit that you got.
After you got back into themodeling game.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Ooh, that's a great question.
I don't totally remember.
Let's see, I think there was amovie that I did.
It was either a short film or awhole movie that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I did called Black Coffee.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Black Coffee was one.
I did a movie before that.
It was called Cherchez del'Agent, which is In Search of
Fortune.
It's credited as much later,but we filmed it forever ago.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, that one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And it was never released, but I got the credit.
But yeah, Black Coffee wasdefinitely one of the first that
was released and it was a shortfilm the first that was
released and it was a short filmand that was fun.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It was fun to work with in Chicago.
How did you get linked up withthe because short work is kind
of an interesting, usually likea student film kind of gig how
did you get linked up into theshort work?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That short film was being done by a gentleman called
Raul Colon.
That short film was being doneby a gentleman called Raul Colon
and I met him through people,through the modeling world in
Chicago and like modeling andacting world and people got
linked up.
We were prepping to shoot someshow something that never
happened, sadly, which wouldhave been, would have been cool
(09:43):
and then just people I metthrough that show and through
that modeling role were like hey, there's this guy out here who
says he can act, thinks he can,we've got this role coming up
and he's got to fix thatcharacter, that person, just
right.
So I come in, hey guys, I'm theguy.
(10:04):
And then I did and it was great.
I highly recommend it.
Search it up.
I think it's available to watchBlack Coffee somewhere.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's definitely listed on your IMDb.
It looks like you did anotherone away from the mountain
shortly after.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And then you got into a TV show for three episodes
called Duels.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Oh yeah, there was an app.
This was before like the bigTikTok and Instagram reels came
out, but there was an app calledBlack Pills that they were.
It was like a short webisode TVviewing thing that you could
watch through your phone yearsago and we were on a show called
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duels.
That was on there and I don'tknow where you can find it now,
but it was kind of cool.
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So you were like ahead of the game and as far as
like internet content and havinga, I guess you could say
serialized like, people knewthat there was going to be other
episodes coming out after theywatched your first bit.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, I don't remember if it was a
subscription service where youcould pay like $1 or $2 a month
or something Super cheap, justan app you can go through and
watch shows on your phone.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Back in my day.
It was Vine.
I remember Vine.
I remember it was Vine.
I remember Vine.
I remember it was do it for theVine and that was like the one
key phrase to get somebody to dosomething stupid Like jump off
a roof with a table umbrella.
It doesn't work.
It does not work.
Did you do it for the Vine?
No I yelled, do it for the Vine.
Oh, okay, and then Chris jumpedoff the roof off a one-story
house and ate it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So what about Clash of the Vampires?
Was that?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
traditional TV.
That was the show that I wasgetting into working on to make
as an actor, and they were like,yeah, we're all ready to go and
do it.
And then they started trying tomake it and it didn't happen.
It just didn't happen.
So the credit is still up there.
Yeah, but we never got it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So, yeah, I don't know but your experience sorry
your experience working for umshort work and I guess you would
say traditional film production, and then, uh, what you have
done as far as I guess you wouldsay traditional tv, uh can you
describe what the differenceswould be like, for that you know
(12:31):
oh yeah, very different umtraditional tv, like I just did
one an episode of rescue hawaiisurf that just came
Speaker 4 (12:41):
out for fox.
I was on that.
We got to shoot in Hawaii mostbeautiful, amazing films that
I've ever been to, right on thebeach, mountains, everything.
So that is extremely structuredand very good.
So it's like, okay, all right,we have to get these guys in
here.
We have exactly five minutesfor them to get prepped.
(13:03):
Look right, okay, get in here.
We have exactly five minutesfor you know them to get prepped
.
Look right, okay, get in here.
We're going to take maximumfive minutes per take, per look
whatever, and then we gotta getout of here and on to the next
shot right well, film is, youknow, it can be a little more
relaxed.
There is a lot of that.
There's a lot of hurry up andwait in film.
(13:24):
So I've spent you know, as manyactors might tell you, they've
spent like entire days in theirtrailer just waiting to be
called to set and be like allright, get on set.
Cool, now that you're on set,we're gonna you're just gonna
stand here for like another houror two and, uh, be ready to
deliver your one, two, fivelines for this scene.
(13:46):
It's great.
Do you?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
do you prefer TV over film or what?
What like the the down tobusiness kind of craft, or do
you like the idea to let itpeople breathe behind the camera
or in front of the camera?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I like.
I like film because film setsare great, because you create
and build like a little family.
A little film set family theyhave, but it's for a month or so
.
I have not been a recurringcharacter on a TV show yet, but
I feel that would be the same.
I love that camaraderie.
(14:20):
You all come together, worktogether to a common goal and it
becomes like a little old workfamily and it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You get great experiences with people and yeah
, the people that we talk to,that say like, if you get that
reoccurring role in a tv show,um, it's, it's kind of like the
you know striking gold, becauseit's it's kind of like a nine to
five, like everybody's done atsome point in the day and you
still have the rest of your dayto enjoy another life you know,
(14:48):
so I could only imagine.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
You get to be an actor and have a time off.
Yeah, having a recurring roleon a TV show is definitely a big
goal.
That means you're working,you're getting your bills paid,
and that's something that's noteasy to do as an actor, for sure
.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So, aside from Hawaii I mean you've probably been to
a bunch of locations what wasyour aside from Hawaii?
What would you say is yourprobably best film location you
got to be a part of?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Ooh, we were filming for Canyon of the Dead, which is
about to be out.
Later this year we were filmingjust outside of Gallup, new
Mexico, in the canyons out there, so like we were deep in the
canyons and the beautiful, likedesert landscapes and that was
definitely one of the coolestspots.
(15:39):
We were working and shooting onthe Navajo reservation.
Wow.
I'm working with a lot of theNative guys there, who are some
of the coolest people I've evermet in my life, yeah, and we're
just enjoying the fresh air, theamazing landscapes and just
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being in the solitary area, farfrom the cities and the wildlife
of the city.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
How long were you shooting there?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
We had a lot of shoot dates because we were trying to
film that during COVID times.
We had a couple of COVIDshutdowns, so let's see, we were
shooting out there for a coupleof months total Wow.
And then we ended up going toshoot in London for another
extra two weeks two, three weeks.
(16:31):
That was really cool too.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
When's this movie coming out?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This will be out later this year.
I think it will probably hittheaters.
Maybe we're going to see.
We're going to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What did you?
If you don't mind me askingwhat was the delay about getting
that?
Because you shot it.
What five years ago?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, we started, yeah, crazy, so we didn't start
shooting five.
We started pre-production fiveyears ago for that in 2020.
Then we started production inNovember of 2020.
We had a big COVID shutdown.
So you know, we had a reallylarge set, 150 people on set and
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we had several cases of COVIDhit, even though we were outside
and everybody was, you knowbeing safe, masks, everything.
We had a COVID shutdown.
Yeah, we had to start shootingagain in spring.
So we took that big winterbreak to shoot in spring because
of weather, cold, and justreorganized.
So we did that and then we cameback and shot more later.
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And then the next year we hadto do extra pickup shots to
shoot in a big studio soundstage, wow, where we recreated one of
the Anasazi towers naturaltowers that are there that you
can go and visit, I think inCanyon de Chelly in Arizona.
We shot many, many differentplaces.
(18:03):
It's a pretty large undertaking.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, this sounds like a big money movie.
Yeah, now I want to see it.
I'm kind of excited for it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And your character in this film.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I played a character named Bud Bud Wire.
Yeah, it sounds like Bud Weiser, Bud Weiser.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Bud Weiser.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, and it's based all on true events, true story.
The story is about Earl and AnnMorris, who co-discovered the
Anasazi nations, the firstnation in the US.
So you know, like those oldAnasazi ruins out in the desert
out there, the places that arebuilt into the cliffs, yeah,
things like those old Anasaziruins out in the desert, the
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places that are built into thecliffs, things like those.
There's a lot of that story anda lot about that civilization
and the people who discovered itin 1920s so time period
starring Tom Felton, who wasDraco Malfoy, wes Studi, famous
for Dances with Wolves.
Yeah.
(19:07):
We also had Finn Jones, abigailBreslin, ewan Bremner.
We had Jacob Fortune Lloyd andyeah, he is truly the most
important.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Chris M, that's right , chris M the seventh.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I can't pronounce his last name.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So you would say this is probably your biggest movie
coming out definitely thebiggest that's exciting.
No way I didn't realize westruck gold with this one.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Mitch, you did good well, you can thank Cindy keep
her on your payroll, man soalright, let's go his publicist.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, yeah, keep her on your payroll man, so sorry.
Uh, well, cool.
So, despite all the I mean,first off, as an actor who has,
like you know, you've been inthe game for 10 years, it looks
like, and you definitely have alot coming down the pipe uh,
maybe the next 10 years to havethis as a background movie,
maybe even your first big intheatrical release kind of film
(20:10):
with you know, let's just callit a nightmare production shoot
because you had to stop to shoota couple of times and all this
other stuff.
That's probably going to be anexperience story that that will
carry you a long way.
And when you are a seniorperson on films and people are
having crisis mode and stuffkicking off, you can have things
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like this to refer to rightBack in my day.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, oh, yeah we used to walk up walk up the
mountain barefoot in the snow,just to get to the set.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean no , just to get to the set yeah
yeah, I mean that almost was areal thing, because some of the
shoot days in November in thedesert, out in the middle of
nowhere, it would drop to like20 degrees when we would head to
set, because we'd be goingthere before dawn and then you
get out to set in the desert andit might be 40 degrees but the
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sun is shining, so it getsreally hot or feels hot but in
the shade, and it might be 40degrees but the sun is shining,
so it gets really hot or feelshot but in the shade.
It'll feel less.
But yeah, so no, with regardingthat experience, I would
definitely attribute a lot of myability to handle a lot of that
stuff or stuff in the future,to my indie past and like just
doing the short film stuff andmaking mistakes on the you know
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the small things here and there,and learning to be creative
without money, without a budget,without making it work, without
having, like, being able tocall somebody up.
Hey can I get $50,000 for today?
Thanks, pal, cool, right, Iwish I could make those I would
be.
I'd be lucky to be making stufffor like $500, and that's just
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enough to feed your cast andcrew.
You know if that deals, but hey, if everybody's in it to win it
.
They all love what you're doing, they love the project you get
on and you know, like I said,it's a camaraderie.
People are there because theywant to be there.
That's where a lot of magic canand will happen.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You had to have one producer that was crying in a
corner somewhere like, no, we'reshutting down again.
Oh, we were all crying.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Have a lot of your projects or have half of them or
so been in the indie filmfestivals and things like that.
Let's see.
Probably I don't remember whichones I think some of the shorts
have done pretty well on someof the indie circuits.
The other feature films thatI've done are primarily being
sold at these larger filmfestivals, such as can or
(22:45):
american film market.
Yeah, I've been going to canfor the past three years.
No way um.
This last year we held a bigcool red carpet party for a
canyon of the dead um, it was atone of the big fancy hotels and
yeah, we had the red carpetsand doing all the cool photo
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shoots, yeah, and all the photoops.
It was pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
How did the audience take the?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
premiere.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Did they laugh at the right beats and were into it?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I think there were a few moments of laughter, but
yeah, it was more of ahistorical drama, like we were
saying.
So there were the gasps whereit needed to be and the whoa wow
.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Did you find yourself watching the audience more than
the movie?
Like react?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Kind of, because you know, on that one, I was helping
to be part of the producer teamand helping some things go
through left and right, Just totry and help make things happen.
Uh, for the production, um,just, you know, helping out,
like I said, I've got the indiebackground and I'm like, hey, I
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was working with the directorwriter, extraordinary Cordy.
Cordy Voorhees specifically.
The dude's amazing at handlingthings left and right.
Never seen anybody handle somuch stress so beautifully and
eloquently.
It's just okay.
You just receive extreme, youknow, crazy bad news, like the
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shutdown, for example.
Okay, all right, everybodyhere's what's going to happen,
we're going to do like this andthat he makes it look he would
turn crazy things like that intoopportunity and into something
good that people look forward to.
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, you can sell a disaster, oh man.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Dude's amazing, great guy.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's how you're a leader.
So you talked about being aproducer.
Yeah, how did you find yourselfinto this role?
I see you made some short workyourself.
What is this the face?
What was it called?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Funny.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Face, funny Face.
You wrote and directed andproduced that one.
Was that your first?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, I didn't direct it.
I did write it and produce it.
I had a gentleman named FelixPinheiro come on board to help
direct.
I was just honestly, it was oneof those shorts.
I was like I'm bored, what areyou guys doing next week?
Cool, all right, you guys wantto make like a short film?
(25:27):
Yeah, sure, why not?
Cool, let's go.
And it was just that sort of adeal.
I was like, all right, let'swrite this up.
And it's meant to be a silentfilm.
Yeah, I hired some amazingcomposers to come on board and
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give like a, a french marionettestyle music to go with the
short.
Oh, cool, um.
And then, uh, yeah, I had somegreat makeup artists come on
board to do funny faces theclown faces and got some cool
people on board and then I neverreleased it she never released
it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
We did this awesome project.
It's like awesome project.
How do you get to the pointwhere you could just be like,
hey, let's just do a short?
It's like you got an idea.
No, I was just thinking ofsomething Money.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, it does cost money, that's for sure.
The short was just like I justhad some ideas and with the
modeling background, it was veryeasy to just set up photo
shoots.
You just be like, hey, mrphotographer, you know what are
you doing next week.
You want to get together, do aphoto shoot.
And it was just sort of thesame idea for creating this
(26:34):
short, um and other shorts.
I was like I got an idea, we'llsee if anybody wants to do it.
And you call two people andthey're like yeah this is great,
let's do it.
And then they call two peopleand they're like yeah, this is
great, let's do it.
And then they call a couplepeople.
And then they call a couplepeople and before you know it,
you've got 50 people on set.
And, before you know it, TomCruise is like what are you
doing?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I've done.
I went to film school.
I've struggled to get peopleinterested in doing projects,
especially if it's short work.
You know, it seems like youhave the exact opposite, and
that's another reason why I'mstruggling to like you so much,
right he's handsome so yeah,you're way more handsome than me
and charismatic but, but youguys.
but so, uh, like what, how doyou pitch short work to people
(27:21):
like hey, this is for funsies,or like we, we're going to see
what festivals we can get into?
Like you can't pitch money, youknow this is going to make a
thousand bucks per head orsomething like that.
You can't do that.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
No, Um, a lot of times it's just um, because of
where I'm at, who I talk to.
I talk to who I talk to.
I talk to annoyingly talk aboutmaking movies and acting and
all that all the time witheverybody, and so I think just
talking about it enough toenough people.
It gets them excited becausethey have similar passions and
(27:55):
interests.
And when you're talking aboutpassions and interests with
people who find to have the samepassions and interests, you can
get that collaborative effortgoing on, especially and
interests with people who findto have the same passions and
interests.
Okay, you can get thatcollaborative effort going on,
especially when people getexcited about a particular idea.
It's like, hey, what are youdoing on Friday and Saturday?
You want to do a thing.
(28:15):
Yeah.
And they're like, no, don'tever talk to me again.
Or they're like, oh, that'ssweet.
And then, you know, stuff comesout of it and sometimes it's
out there and gets a ton oflaurels and great stuff, or you
know, at worst people cometogether and it's a great
(28:37):
networking event for people whoare working.
You know who?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
want to work.
You're just calling the wrongpeople.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I am.
I was about to say like there'speople out there that make you
know who want to work.
You're just calling the wrongpeople.
I I am.
I was about to say like there'speople out there that make you
know film for the sake of makingit and not just because, like,
they want money.
That's wild.
I I clearly I'm in the wrongcircle, but my money helps,
money helps well, I, I get thattoo yeah so yeah looking well
the tough part is also in filmschool.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
everybody's also trying to do their own thing and
I feel, I believe, and it's notuntil you're actually out there
are people like yeah, like thisis great.
And you find passionate peoplewho may not have gone to film
school but want the experience.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
What I advise, and with my, you know, I'm obviously
not in a position, like you, togive advice, but here it is.
But people who are starting out, I I'd say you know, sure, you
want to be a writer, you want tobe an actor, you want to be a
director, but also find atechnical trade behind the
camera.
That uh could apply as well.
Be a helper on somebody else'sset if you could be that grip
(29:42):
guy know, do you got anythinglike that too, uh?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I mean, I would just say, as the producer guy, my
skill outside of acting is, Ifeel like I'm very good at
recognizing people's talents andknow what they like and knowing
how to kind of put their, putthem and connect them with the
right people to do the rightawesome, cool stuff.
(30:09):
Yeah, and just know like, oh,this person is really loves the
power rangers and they know howto, you know, do martial arts.
Yeah, uh, meanwhile I'll belike, oh wait, there's this
person who just really lovescosplay or something and it'd be
like, cool, and I know this guywho's an amazing
cinematographer but he hasn'thad a chance to get out there
(30:31):
and do stuff.
Let's do a fight scene withPower Rangers.
Oh, yeah, put them all togetherand see what happens?
And then?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
you collect the finer's fee.
Right, you get to collect somefiner's finance fee money, if
there's money in it doing athing.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
But yeah, I totally agree.
I do agree five thousandpercent with you.
For me, like I said, mine ismore of like the.
My experience is on thebusiness side of things, putting
it all together and justknowing who is good at going
where, what doing, that I triedlearning camera stuff and I am
(31:09):
me too technical and you know,every freaking year there's a
new camera apparatus with crazytechnique that requires a
college degree to figure out.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know, I just like I can't keep up with this.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
So it's insane and I try to talk to a lot of these
camera guys who are superexcited about it and I'm like I
have no idea.
I recognize three of thosewords yeah, um yeah but, I see
that you're excited about it, soI'm like I know exactly who to
put you with right.
You know to geek out about it.
Yeah, on set.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
That's how I get one.
He starts talking aboutspecifics behind camera, stuff
about movies, and I'm likeuh-huh, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Just nod, yeah, uh-huh.
Anyways, looking at your IMVUas you listed out as, like an
actor, a producer and a writer,which one, personally, do you
find the most rewarding?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh, definitely the acting and the producing.
I don't know.
Producing is pretty rewardingin and of its own self yeah.
Because, like I said you, youknow, at the end of the day,
when you bring all these peopletogether for a common goal, and
then you accomplish that goaland everybody's happy about it,
(32:26):
that is really cool.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
When you're the big guy on set and I'm sure you've
been on film sets whereeverybody's just miserable and
they're slogging away you getpeople to slowly stop showing up
.
But then you've been on filmsets where it's like a party 24
seven and that to be the guythat can orchestrate all that,
get good product and have agreat experience, that's gotta
(32:51):
be a champion.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Experience oh yeah, uh.
I've been fortunate to be onsome great sets like that where
it's like I say, you know someof these movies it turns into
something of like a familyenvironment.
You get your temporary family.
Then they, you know, it's thelast day of set and it's, it's a
bittersweet thing.
It's like, wow, we did somecool stuff, it was awesome and
(33:16):
we, you know, all became suchclose, great friends for past
month or two and then you allgot to go say bye and go to work
on the next thing.
I agree, it's definitely there.
There's the opposite end whereyou know what it's like being on
those bad sets where peoplejust don't sometimes may not
(33:37):
know what they're doing, ordidn't have the budget, and
people are being miserable aboutthis or complaining about that.
Yeah, have you ever foundyourself?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
in like a uh like you know, under somebody who's
difficult to work with andyou're just kind of like trying
to take over a little bit youknow, for the sake of the film
or something like that
Speaker 4 (34:01):
oh, yeah, I I don't try to take over anything ever.
I'm always like hey, if youguys need help with anything,
let me know.
You know I'm there for jiggling, but most of the time if
anything like that happens, Ijust do this thing where it's
just smile and nod.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Smile and wave, bro.
Smile and wave, I do that a lot.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yeah, and you realize it's like well, yes, this is my
passion, it's something I loveto do so much.
It's also a job.
It's my job, it's my career.
And sometimes even in the 9 to5s people in the 9 to 5 office
job, you got to work with peopleyou don't like.
(34:46):
You have to work with peoplewho are crappy.
You have to work and that is anormal thing.
But these movie sets aretemporary things when it comes
to that, so I can just be likecool, all right, I'm getting
paid.
You can waste all the time youwant.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm getting paid, no matter what.
I can see a lot of peoplehaving problems working with you
.
I can understand why you'd be adifficult person.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh yeah, I'd be so mad man, this laid back handsome
guy, how dare he?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I just, you know, I just got one of those faces that
people just really want topunch.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He's too pretty hit him look at this guy one thing
we do like to ask actors, who wehave have good amount of
credits and been around a littlebit.
We always ask what is yourbiggest starstruck moment in
your career, where you like sawlike an actor, you were
somewhere and it was just kindof like that moment of holy crap
, that's so-and-so or like, ohmy, my God, I made it.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Well, I would say potential, yeah, making it.
When I felt like I made it waswhen I got my first SAG residual
check.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Oh yeah, hey, honesty , I appreciate that Most people
are like oh, you know, when Iwas first, the camera was first
turned on.
You know, I hear what you'resaying and I agree.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
That's what I'm like.
I am a paid like.
I get paid for actingcommercials, you know.
But when I felt like I reallymade it, it was when I got that
first SAG residual check, yeah,and I think it was like $65.
Nice, and I was like, yeah,this is the best day I cashed it
(36:28):
.
That's probably the mostgrounded response, I think.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's realism.
I appreciate it.
A lot of people give us some BSanswers.
I'm like okay, we'll believethat.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
What about a starstruck?
Yeah, starstruck, it might'vebeen uh there are a couple of
times I'm always like, wow,every time I'm on set with
somebody cooler has credits.
I'm like, well, this is thecoolest, Um.
But I think one of the firstones was working with Tom Felton
(37:01):
and Wes Studi.
Cause Tom, I was basicallyworking as like acting as Tom's
right hand man or one of hisright hand guys.
Um so I was like working withhim and and I ended up getting
we got to do like Thanksgivingtogether, because it was during
COVID times, Nobody wastraveling.
We did Thanksgiving and then wewere working together in london
(37:24):
and in new mexico and he likeknows my name and I'm like
that's really cool draco malfoyknows who I am and we're like
you know.
We had little pre preliminary uhshowings, whatever you want to
say, in london.
We got to like hang out thereand chat, I just play cool.
(37:45):
I'm talking with one of thestars from one of my favorite
movies of all time.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Totally normal.
Should I ask him questionsabout Harry Potter, or should I
just not ask him questions aboutHarry Potter?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
What was going through your mind.
Oh no, we didn't talk aboutthat too much.
That's good.
That's probably for the best.
Yeah, and what was it?
There was probably another time.
Oh, there was working with ohno, why can't I think of his
(38:18):
name right now?
We were doing Desert Dawn, themovie Desert desert dawn, and it
was starring.
It was cam, so cam, and thenalso cam gigante is that how you
pronounce I was.
I've worked on a couple ofthings with him.
Being recognized by cam wasreally cool.
(38:38):
Uh, he's like oh hey, becausewe had done the acting stuff
together in a movie prior tothat, like a year or two before.
But yeah, we were doing thatand I was also.
I was on set getting ready formy character getting all the
makeup done, like the dirty hairand blood on my face.
I was in the trailer for thatgetting my makeup done, and
(39:02):
Kellen Lux walks into thetrailer.
He just stops and goes oh hey,you're Chris Maher, right?
Yeah, I was like yeah, who me?
How did you know?
He's like oh right, yeah, Iknow.
I saw your picture and yourname on the call sheet.
I'm great.
I'm going to be looking forwardto working with you today.
Well, we'll check you out onceyou get it all set up, and then
(39:26):
he like head out.
Yeah, and I turn around.
I'm like, you know, it's myname, that's awesome, it's
amazing, best day ever.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Just like geeking out .
It's like being like a girl inthe front row at a Beatles
concert and John Lennon winkedat you.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
It's like yeah, it's like these people who are big
stars, and Kellen and Cam.
They were some of the bigcharacters in Twilight, which is
huge, and Kellen's done somereally cool stuff and they're
awesome guys, great guys to workwith.
Kellen was super positive allday and I love that he's just
(40:06):
down to say hi and chat witheverybody, right.
So I love, I love it whenactors like that, when they're
humble and excited to be there.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
yeah, it's always nice when somebody that you know
you you know that they've donea lot of good stuff.
They know they've done a lot ofgood stuff, but they're still
like a normal person to youthey're not like you know, kind
of like kiss the ring, like yes,I am that person yeah, it's
crazy because people forget thatactors are people too well,
sometimes actors also forgetthat there are people too.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
So this is true, yeah do you have any crazy stories
about that, some wild, you know,uh demands or anything like
that?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
yeah, oh yeah.
I'm not gonna name names oranything, but it's not even.
The crazy thing is, out of allthe people I've worked with and
like people who throw fits onset as actors are people.
The people who throw who arethe coolest, are the name actors
, who are recognizable frommovies or shows.
(41:03):
But it's the guys who are thepeople who are not known, who
are not recognized, that needthe biggest, that have the
biggest heads sometimes thatI've experienced personally.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I need to germ all red M&Ms.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah, do you know why that is?
Do you know the reason behindthat?
In Riders, by the way.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
No.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
So I don't know, this is more of a concert thing, a
band thing.
Okay, but I'm going to digress,but it's a cool fun fact Is
this the Van Halen thing?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
No, I think it was.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
So it was based on, like they have the whole writer,
which is the contract of like,oh, you have to have this, this
and that, and et you read thecontract that somebody read the
contract.
And because a lot of times inthe contract might be entire
safety things I think youreferenced Van Halen, but they
had like a pyrotechnics thingthat went wrong simply because
the stage or people producing itdidn't read the contract and
(42:19):
they didn't know how to properlydo it.
So since then they're like okay, we need to make sure that
people read the contract.
But it also creates an escapeclause.
It's like, okay, if you don'thave the brown M&Ms, we can
technically cancel because youdidn't follow the contract.
What a wild loophole, I guess.
And it's a little, but it'slike, yeah, if it's in the
(42:42):
contract, technically they haveto provide it.
But it could be a thing of likewell, now they didn't fulfill
the contract and we don't wantto play.
Huh.
I never knew that, so they'regoing to do it without penalty.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
But the real yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
It was all for safety reasons.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
The real reason is more because of safety.
I've never heard an argument onthe defense of why a person
should have a bowl of brown M&Ms.
But it makes sense they didn'tread it.
That does, that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Because early 80s Van Halen they would do these shows
in California and around theWest Coast and the stage and
stuff they had set up for DavidLee Roth going out towards the
audience they were rickety.
He fell through one of them.
So they would have all thesebig safety clauses in their
contracts and then they wouldput the most outrageous nonsense
in mixed into it, like, oh,only brown M&Ms, every girl who
(43:35):
comes in has to wear green shoes.
Like it's just all this, likewild nonsense that they want.
It's like there has to beexactly five bottles of Jack
Daniels on each table if, ifthere's six, I will lose my mind
.
It's just that BS that theywould put in, because then they
would go in and look to see ifall the crazy crap was there and
be like all right, they read it.
It's like we should be okay.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
So it's basically because of safety, because of
you know, I remember thepyrotechnic story and it's like
if the guy simply read theoutline of everything that
needed to be done properly,there would have been no problem
.
But it was clear that they justdidn't read it, and so that's
sort of the way to test and makesure that they know things
(44:15):
would kind of go according toplan or as just an ephemic
escape clause, so they could seethat and be like meh, that's
fine, they don't have M&Ms, welike it, we're down.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Show's canceled.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Well, thanks, for not demanding a bowl of brown M&M's
from us.
Yeah, where is my M&M's?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's in the mail we sent them.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
They're fresh from the M&M factory.
We read everything, we swear wepromise.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It was all in the contract.
We read every single word.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Quit, I'm quitting.
I cannot believe this.
I'm calling my agent.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Is there anything you got that's coming up?
You want to talk about thatyou're involved in.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
We talked about the Canyon movie.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah.
Aside from the Canyon of theDead that we're hoping for a
theatrical release on this year.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Hoping for a theatrical release.
We're waiting for some of thefinal, the final uh
confirmations on some thing, butsome things.
So cross your fingers who'sdistributing that?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
uh, who's distributing that movie?
If you don't mind me askingthat's what.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
That's what we're waiting for we got something
like I can't.
I can't play too much, but goodthings probably talking too
much about it but but whatever,it's fine what.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I'm not in that, I've never, what about.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
I've never acted in my life.
What a crazy.
Well, um no, what do I havecoming up?
Speaker 5 (45:40):
I was gonna say when I talked with your publicist uh,
she mentioned something with aVictoria Jackson from SNL.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yes, uh.
So next weekend, on February8th, you're having a huge red
carpet premiere in VirginiaBeach of a movie that I
co-starred in with the amazingNatalie Veeder as the lead
actress, and we're having a bigred carpet premiere for it,
(46:08):
called Boardwalk Winter.
Okay.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
We're going to do all the fancyred carpet thing.
I need to find a suit.
Do you guys have anyrecommendations?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
We are not the tax bracket for asking for suits.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I mean, you could borrow my tux.
But I'm in gym clothes, so Idon't know what size you are.
Are you a 46 regular with34-inch waist?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I'll tell you what you need some tickets to that
premiere and we'll figure it outfor you.
How about that?
Speaker 4 (46:36):
We'll tell you what we need.
I'm going to wear the tux topwith, like the gym shorts
bottoms.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be great.
Is that like the Idaho, idahoformal?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
wear.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'msorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
iowa, I'm sorry.
You got two states that startwith an I.
Pink flamingo chubbies, okay,and anything else coming out
(47:07):
this year.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
This year.
Let's see, I have I don't evenknow man.
Oh, ftx Descent Into Madness,that'll be out.
That's a pretty funny, crazymovie about the whole FTX
scandal, ftx, yes.
Ftx, what is it?
The Sam Bankman Freed people?
(47:30):
I have no.
What is it?
The Sandbank Manfred people.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I have no idea what we're talking about.
Tell me more.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
So the whole FTX scandal, the crypto company that
went bankrupt and they werehaving like Sandbank.
Manfred the leader of it waslike embezzling money or doing
horrible, crazy stuff with money, no way.
Anyway, it made a lot of bignews in the crypto world.
You guys are into that.
I just remember Doge, doge,yeah, doge.
(48:00):
That's the thing.
Hey, I'm a big fan of Doge.
It made me a lot of money atone point.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Wow, A long time ago.
Man he's just striking goldeverywhere.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Were you born with a four-leaf clover in your pocket.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
I am Irish a lot.
I'm just especially an Irish,don't you know that?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
was a good accent.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
He's an actor.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
He is an actor.
He acted very well.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
You don't have to be so nice, you can be a little
critical.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You can't be mean to somebody this handsome you
totally can I'm used to it.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Do you find that most of the work coming out
theatrical versus streaming likeGable?
What is the most interesting,most challenging?
Can you describe for the laymanwhat that's like?
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Well, everybody wants their movies to be out in the
theaters, but a lot of thethings are now straight to
streaming.
That's a big deal.
A lot of people you knowtheaters are sadly kind of dying
.
It's not the experience it usedto be.
Tickets are extremely high.
The cost of living is reallyhigh, so it's hard to go justify
(49:16):
spending 20-something bucks ona theater ticket.
Meanwhile you could just spendless than that on a subscription
and just stay at home.
And there's never a lot for thebathroom.
Yeah, exactly, and I feel like alot to do about it.
Yeah, exactly, and I feel likewe're losing that sort of movie
(49:36):
magic that's going on now andstraight to streaming.
But I mean, it's good to havestraight to streaming for some
things.
Yeah.
And other things.
You've got to have that bigtheater experience.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
You think that's why the indie film, you know
dichotomy of, like the film,entertainment world, is kind of
blowing up, even more so thanthe big A, the oligopoly, you
think that's because of thestreaming services.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Streaming services have a lot to do with it,
because now the average Americanconsumes some ridiculous amount
of hours of streaming, likemonths even.
But there's also the fact thatthe past several years we've
been in the writer's strike,we've had the SAG strike and
it's still not even all the waycompletely resolved.
(50:25):
You did it to yourselves, Sorrywhat.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
You did it to yourselves.
What?
Speaker 4 (50:31):
you did it to yourselves yeah, yeah um.
So yeah, it made made thingskind of difficult and there were
a lot of things that peoplearen't budging on, but it makes
sense, yeah, um, for example,like a lot of these studios
wanted to say, even if you werean extra, if you were an extra
in one of their movies, theywanted to have the right, the
(50:52):
entire right, to copy yourentire image, right, put it into
ai and then just continue touse that as extras or like as
extras in their movies yeah ortheir shows.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
We talked about ever paying those people, ever again
we, we talked about this beforeand actually you'll have a
really interesting standpoint,being an actor and a producer.
Like there's some productionyou know movements before the
SAG strike where people werelike I don't know, there's no
way they're not viewed as avillain in those situations.
(51:25):
You know what was going througha person's head where they think
that they could get away withsomething like this you know,
what was going through aperson's head where they think
that they could get away withsomething like this, you know,
and uh, I felt bad for thoseactors, money typically has a
lot to do with it, you know,because think about it.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
It makes sense.
Uh, a background actor for SAGwill cost you know a couple of
hundred bucks for a day.
You got to feed them, you gotto make sure everybody's good
and then you multiply that times, maybe you have a huge set day
where it's a hundred people thatright there, of just having one
scene with like 100 extras justextras, not even the main cast,
(52:01):
who you know already is costingyou a million dollars a day.
Your extras might cost yousomething like a hundred
thousand dollars extra per day.
Right now.
Me coming from the indie world,I'm like I could make like a
huge indie film with that justno name actors and this by you
know, get people involved, right.
(52:22):
But with these studios thenyou're talking potentially
spending, you know, yeah, amillion dollars on just extras,
and it makes sense.
But with the main people, youknow the main named talent who's
recognizable and wanting totake their images and use that
continuously.
I mean, they'd be making bankoff of that if they never have
(52:46):
to pay them to be there or doanything again.
You just hire some like a stuntdouble or a body double and you
put an AI image over their face.
You just copyright theirlikeness and usage.
And they're like hey, you don'thave to show up, Mr Rock, or
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somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Is that the future?
Speaker 1 (53:08):
They're just going to start using dead people.
It's like in this summer, theRock John.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Wayne John.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Wayne, Buster, Keaton , Charlie Chaplin and Hitler
Star in Three Men and a Baby.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Is it just like hey, chadgbt6, can you make me a
movie and then give them a logline and then just watch what
pops out and see if you can sellit?
Is that where we're going?
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Yeah, that's probably a very realistic thing that may
be happening in the next fiveto ten years.
Oh, I hope so.
I hope it's not that soon, youknow an entire industry is
looking to be down.
You know automated AI.
You know a lot of people in myindustry might not be having a
job here because of that.
(53:55):
I believe there also be youknow people.
Maybe people will pay more togo to the theater experience and
have an immersive theaterexperience where they do have
the real actors and they do havethe real you know storylines,
the real writers writing them,rather than just chat.
Gpt plugs, inputs and outputs.
(54:17):
But, who knows, it's aninteresting and scary future
ahead.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
It is.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
And.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
I'd say fewer and fewer movies feel authentic
nowadays but, man, some of theones that you see I'm trying to
think of something more recentDune okay, it's kind of been
talked about way too much, but Ifelt like those two movies were
pretty solid, pretty original,you know, based off the IP, but
(54:45):
well produced and everything wasas authentic as you could get
in this fantasy world, whereas,you know, you have some cookie
cutter Hallmark romance moviesthat pop out every Thursday and
it's just the same storyrehashed over and over again,
and it feels like Chad GPT wroteit, you know.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
People watch them.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, they do, that's true.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
Watch those, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Whatever the underline is, we can get people
to pay money for them.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Yeah, I mean, once again they call it the
entertainment industry.
It is an industry.
I mean, there are people whomake the movies just as art,
which is great, but they've gotto make money once again,
because a lot of people won'tshow up.
They won't show up to work ifyou're not getting paid.
It's all about the money.
(55:33):
It's a job.
At the end of the day, it is ajob, it is work, it is an
industry, it's a business andain't no business like movie
business like showbiz, it'sconstantly evolving well, chris,
mayer, mayer, I'll get it.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Maher, maher, maher, you were so close.
Chris.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Maher.
Speaker 4 (55:56):
Maher.
Next time All right Next time.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Thanks so much for coming on Honestly your
background and you know, I thinkthis is probably one of the
more original guys startedmodeling, got into acting and
ended up producing and acting ina lot of his own works.
That's, that's a wild take oneverything and, yeah, your
production, thoughts and adviceon stuff Phenomenal, phenomenal.
(56:19):
I really, really appreciate youtaking a minute out of your day
to talk to us and we'll bewatching you closely.
We hope that you know the thethe Canyon of the Dead movie
comes out and if it comes intheaters, we're going to see it.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
And we hope that we get to talk to you like a
spoiler kind of like episode.
Maybe one day we can talk toyou about all the stuff that
happens in the movie, so that'dbe cool.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
Yeah, that'd be fun.
Thank you guys so much forhaving me on board.
It was fun to chat with you onthis Sunday afternoon.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
You guys rock.
It was a good time.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, just kind of laid back, take it as it comes,
kind of podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Just three guys with beards drinking Red Bull and
hanging out.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
That's right, there you go, hey soon.
I heard you guys are going tobe having some video portion on
this next.
We could get on that.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
See those epic beards this next, we could get on that
.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
See those epic beards .
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, we'll show people the face that we keep
trying not to talk too muchabout.
Here we are Three unfunnygentle people.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
And it's like handsome Squidward over here.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah you did a face for that pretty good.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
He's just like more mad.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It's like damn it, he's more handsome.
I have to be the most handsomeperson in the room.
He turned a handsome meter from10 to 11.
Alright, man.
Well, thanks so much.
We'll try and find a way tokeep in touch.
Thanks for taking some timewith us and that was it for this
episode of Entertain this.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I'm Tom Hayden, I'm Mitch, and we'll catch you on
the next one.
Hello and welcome to entertain this.
It's a podcast about movies, tvshows and video games.
Way to say it with enthusiasm.
Video games I'm Tom With me.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I have Hayden and Mitch.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And we have a special guest.
We have Chris Marr the seventh,the king of a place I've never
been made aware of, actor,producer, writer, known for such
films as Locked In BlowbackCanyon of the Dead Mojave
Diamonds.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You do say Maher, right?
How do you say your last nameone more time, I'm sorry.
Maher like Bill Maher.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Thank you guys.
Very excited to be on your showtoday.
Looking forward to entertainthis, I'm excited With the
exclamation point.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah entertain this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
With the exclamation point.
That's right.
We have an angrier show calledGo Entertain Yourself.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, go entertain yourself.
Kid, Get out of here.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
When we first started , there was another entertain
this that started like two weeksafter us, that had like the
little dot dot dot after theirname.
So we had to make a point.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, we had to dominate and win.
So far we're the only survivor.
They gave up like two years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, chris, I'm going to start off with a bone
to pick, because you have nobusiness being this talented and
this handsome.
So tell me something wrongabout yourself so I feel better.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Well, thank you first off for thinking that I'm
talented.
What?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
do you got?
Give me a flaw, give me a flaw,come on.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Oh, I got like a wart on my finger.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh man, oh, thank gosh.
Tainted goods.
Why are we even?
Talking to this guy, but youguys have epic beards.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I hope your audience can see them one day.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
One day I see those One day, whenever Tom moves out
of an apartment into a house,then we can.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, we're in the process.
I got pre-approved for amortgage.
Things are going on for mystarting family.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Get ready to pay 8% on that a year.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So far it's at 6%.
Oh, okay, Well there you go,but we're not here to talk about
the housing market.
We're here to talk about ChrisM.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Mr M, like when you havea substitute.
Who has a name?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
you can't pronounce, it's just like Mr M Marinar,
have a substitute who has a name.
You can't pronounce it's justlike Mr M Marinar.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Marinar.
You know what?
It's okay.
I've got friends I've had forlike literally 10 years and they
still can't get my last name.
I don't get it.
I don't know why.
I talk to them like every otherday.
They're like where's Marinar?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It's like no, I have two first names, so I mean these
two guys butcher my name.
They call me Brandon or Hayden,depending on what they feel
like.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, just the spur of the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It just depends.
All right.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, hayden on Hayden.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not Phillip Phillips or
anything like that, haydenHaydens.
So where are you from if youdon't mind telling us?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Totally cool.
I am from the very exotic landOf Council Bluffs, iowa.
Oh, you're our first Iowan.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We got potatoes out there.
No, that's Idaho.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Idaho has potatoes and Napoleon Dynamite.
Iowa has radar From MASH.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
My hometown.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
The most famous person from my hometown is the
original Blue Ranger, billy youdon't know what you've just done
.
They're going to talk aboutPower Rangers now you guys have
the Power Ranger force going onhere that was our bridged one
Hayden had deployed for a year.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
so we changed our thing to just me and Mitch, and
me and Mitch love talking aboutPower Rangers as much as humanly
possible.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They got it out of their system.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I thought we had our own spinoff show.
You didn't know about.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Then you came on the podcast, Chris M.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Now we can just talk about the origins of the Blue
Ranger, the OG Blue Ranger.
That'd be cool.
That would be an awesome roleto play, like come back and be
Blue Ranger number 20 orwhatever they're on now.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
They're rebooting it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
We digress let's get back on track here.
All right, getting back ontrack.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
How did you get into the biz, if you don't mind me
asking?
Oh, I don't remember.
I had done stage and theaterstuff my whole life, from junior
high, high school.
I even started doing it incollege a little bit.
I left for a while in collegebecause they were really mean to
me, they didn't like me.
So I was like all right, I'llgo be like a serious person and
study economics and policy andlaw Traveled.
(05:08):
I came back from traveling andstudying, working abroad for
some years, and a friend of mineactually asked me to audition
for a runway modeling show thatshe was putting on here locally
in Omaha, right next to Omaha.
Wow, and so.
I did?
I got it.
I got on stage, I got likeprofessional photos.
(05:30):
It was doing like TV interviewsand I was like, hey, this is
fun, I miss being on stage.
Yeah, this is cool stuff.
And then I ended up moving toChicago where I started doing
more of a modeling Okay and thentaking more acting classes and
doing commercials and doing moretheater stuff with Second City,
which was awesome, and fromthere starting to get into
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movies and now shows.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
So you got into it by being handsome.
Yeah, I got into it.
They just went hey, that guy'sgood looking, let's get him in
here.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
They're like but can he?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And then, and then they're like no, he can't I get
paid not to be in stuff well, Imean, uh, traditionally the
actors we talk to they, they gothrough the education route,
like we talked to some peoplethat have been through I I can't
remember some of the schoolsI've been through but like they,
you know do you remember whatPeter Jacobs went through?
(06:29):
He was educated in New York,yeah, so film some acting school
or something so they, they gothrough school and they get
their foot in the door to seethe opposite side, where the
modeling standpoint, and get in,is there a lot do?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
do all models aspire to be an actor?
No, many of them actually thatI know and speak to are like no,
not for me, don't want to talkon camera, I just do the thing.
Where you know I can smile, Ihold the thing and smile.
That's it?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
do you have like your own zoolander pose?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I might.
What is this blue steel?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
what his was.
Blue steel.
What's yours called?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
we just, you know, call it.
He goes for this blue steel.
I aim for the magnum.
Still haven't the magnum.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I call mine the magnum so like do you see a lot
of models who aspire to be anactor and you're just like no,
sorry buddy, you're just gonnabe a pretty face oh, no way, I'm
a very positive person.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I encourage anybody and everybody who wants to act
to try, because you never know,okay, and you don't have to be.
You know you can be a model ornot.
I particularly love peopleactors who have great character
looks or character voices,because I personally just love
(07:53):
characters, seeing charactersand those sort of things.
I tell people hey, you want toact, go for it.
Just, if you have questions,just ask, tell you how to get in
.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So you grew up in this, I guess a theater
background, middle school, highschool, a little bit.
In college they made fun of you.
You were like, all right, I'mgonna get into the business
world.
And then the modeling worldjust grabbed you and it's like
you're not done, kid, get backout there on the runway.
And you're like, man, I couldtotally go back and do this
again, like what was the first,like acting credit that you got.
After you got back into themodeling game.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Ooh, that's a great question.
I don't totally remember.
Let's see, I think there was amovie that I did.
It was either a short film or awhole movie that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I did called Black Coffee.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Black Coffee was one.
I did a movie before that.
It was called Cherchez del'Agent, which is In Search of
Fortune.
It's credited as much later,but we filmed it forever ago.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, that one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And it was never released, but I got the credit.
But yeah, Black Coffee wasdefinitely one of the first that
was released and it was a shortfilm the first that was
released and it was a short filmand that was fun.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It was fun to work with in Chicago.
How did you get linked up withthe because short work is kind
of an interesting, usually likea student film kind of gig how
did you get linked up into theshort work?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
That short film was being done by a gentleman called
Raul Colon.
That short film was being doneby a gentleman called Raul Colon
and I met him through people,through the modeling world in
Chicago and like modeling andacting world and people got
linked up.
We were prepping to shoot someshow something that never
happened, sadly, which wouldhave been, would have been cool
(09:43):
and then just people I metthrough that show and through
that modeling role were like hey, there's this guy out here who
says he can act, thinks he can,we've got this role coming up
and he's got to fix thatcharacter, that person, just
right.
So I come in, hey guys, I'm theguy.
(10:04):
And then I did and it was great.
I highly recommend it.
Search it up.
I think it's available to watchBlack Coffee somewhere.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's definitely listed on your IMDb.
It looks like you did anotherone away from the mountain
shortly after.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And then you got into a TV show for three episodes
called Duels.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Oh yeah, there was an app.
This was before like the bigTikTok and Instagram reels came
out, but there was an app calledBlack Pills that they were.
It was like a short webisode TVviewing thing that you could
watch through your phone yearsago and we were on a show called
(10:49):
duels.
That was on there and I don'tknow where you can find it now,
but it was kind of cool.
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So you were like ahead of the game and as far as
like internet content and havinga, I guess you could say
serialized like, people knewthat there was going to be other
episodes coming out after theywatched your first bit.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, I don't remember if it was a
subscription service where youcould pay like $1 or $2 a month
or something Super cheap, justan app you can go through and
watch shows on your phone.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Back in my day.
It was Vine.
I remember Vine.
I remember it was Vine.
I remember Vine.
I remember it was do it for theVine and that was like the one
key phrase to get somebody to dosomething stupid Like jump off
a roof with a table umbrella.
It doesn't work.
It does not work.
Did you do it for the Vine?
No I yelled, do it for the Vine.
Oh, okay, and then Chris jumpedoff the roof off a one-story
house and ate it.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So what about Clash of the Vampires?
Was that?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
traditional TV.
That was the show that I wasgetting into working on to make
as an actor, and they were like,yeah, we're all ready to go and
do it.
And then they started trying tomake it and it didn't happen.
It just didn't happen.
So the credit is still up there.
Yeah, but we never got it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So, yeah, I don't know but your experience sorry
your experience working for umshort work and I guess you would
say traditional film production, and then, uh, what you have
done as far as I guess you wouldsay traditional tv, uh can you
describe what the differenceswould be like, for that you know
(12:31):
oh yeah, very different umtraditional tv, like I just did
one an episode of rescue hawaiisurf that just came
Speaker 4 (12:41):
out for fox.
I was on that.
We got to shoot in Hawaii mostbeautiful, amazing films that
I've ever been to, right on thebeach, mountains, everything.
So that is extremely structuredand very good.
So it's like, okay, all right,we have to get these guys in
here.
We have exactly five minutesfor them to get prepped.
(13:03):
Look right, okay, get in here.
We have exactly five minutesfor you know them to get prepped
.
Look right, okay, get in here.
We're going to take maximumfive minutes per take, per look
whatever, and then we gotta getout of here and on to the next
shot right well, film is, youknow, it can be a little more
relaxed.
There is a lot of that.
There's a lot of hurry up andwait in film.
(13:24):
So I've spent you know, as manyactors might tell you, they've
spent like entire days in theirtrailer just waiting to be
called to set and be like allright, get on set.
Cool, now that you're on set,we're gonna you're just gonna
stand here for like another houror two and, uh, be ready to
deliver your one, two, fivelines for this scene.
(13:46):
It's great.
Do you?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
do you prefer TV over film or what?
What like the the down tobusiness kind of craft, or do
you like the idea to let itpeople breathe behind the camera
or in front of the camera?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I like.
I like film because film setsare great, because you create
and build like a little family.
A little film set family theyhave, but it's for a month or so
.
I have not been a recurringcharacter on a TV show yet, but
I feel that would be the same.
I love that camaraderie.
(14:20):
You all come together, worktogether to a common goal and it
becomes like a little old workfamily and it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You get great experiences with people and yeah
, the people that we talk to,that say like, if you get that
reoccurring role in a tv show,um, it's, it's kind of like the
you know striking gold, becauseit's it's kind of like a nine to
five, like everybody's done atsome point in the day and you
still have the rest of your dayto enjoy another life you know,
(14:48):
so I could only imagine.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
You get to be an actor and have a time off.
Yeah, having a recurring roleon a TV show is definitely a big
goal.
That means you're working,you're getting your bills paid,
and that's something that's noteasy to do as an actor, for sure
.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So, aside from Hawaii I mean you've probably been to
a bunch of locations what wasyour aside from Hawaii?
What would you say is yourprobably best film location you
got to be a part of?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Ooh, we were filming for Canyon of the Dead, which is
about to be out.
Later this year we were filmingjust outside of Gallup, new
Mexico, in the canyons out there, so like we were deep in the
canyons and the beautiful, likedesert landscapes and that was
definitely one of the coolestspots.
(15:39):
We were working and shooting onthe Navajo reservation.
Wow.
I'm working with a lot of theNative guys there, who are some
of the coolest people I've evermet in my life, yeah, and we're
just enjoying the fresh air, theamazing landscapes and just
(16:00):
being in the solitary area, farfrom the cities and the wildlife
of the city.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
How long were you shooting there?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
We had a lot of shoot dates because we were trying to
film that during COVID times.
We had a couple of COVIDshutdowns, so let's see, we were
shooting out there for a coupleof months total Wow.
And then we ended up going toshoot in London for another
extra two weeks two, three weeks.
(16:31):
That was really cool too.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
When's this movie coming out?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
This will be out later this year.
I think it will probably hittheaters.
Maybe we're going to see.
We're going to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
What did you?
If you don't mind me askingwhat was the delay about getting
that?
Because you shot it.
What five years ago?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, we started, yeah, crazy, so we didn't start
shooting five.
We started pre-production fiveyears ago for that in 2020.
Then we started production inNovember of 2020.
We had a big COVID shutdown.
So you know, we had a reallylarge set, 150 people on set and
(17:16):
we had several cases of COVIDhit, even though we were outside
and everybody was, you knowbeing safe, masks, everything.
We had a COVID shutdown.
Yeah, we had to start shootingagain in spring.
So we took that big winterbreak to shoot in spring because
of weather, cold, and justreorganized.
So we did that and then we cameback and shot more later.
(17:40):
And then the next year we hadto do extra pickup shots to
shoot in a big studio soundstage, wow, where we recreated one of
the Anasazi towers naturaltowers that are there that you
can go and visit, I think inCanyon de Chelly in Arizona.
We shot many, many differentplaces.
(18:03):
It's a pretty large undertaking.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, this sounds like a big money movie.
Yeah, now I want to see it.
I'm kind of excited for it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
And your character in this film.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I played a character named Bud Bud Wire.
Yeah, it sounds like Bud Weiser, Bud Weiser.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Bud Weiser.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, and it's based all on true events, true story.
The story is about Earl and AnnMorris, who co-discovered the
Anasazi nations, the firstnation in the US.
So you know, like those oldAnasazi ruins out in the desert
out there, the places that arebuilt into the cliffs, yeah,
things like those old Anasaziruins out in the desert, the
(18:46):
places that are built into thecliffs, things like those.
There's a lot of that story anda lot about that civilization
and the people who discovered itin 1920s so time period
starring Tom Felton, who wasDraco Malfoy, wes Studi, famous
for Dances with Wolves.
Yeah.
(19:07):
We also had Finn Jones, abigailBreslin, ewan Bremner.
We had Jacob Fortune Lloyd andyeah, he is truly the most
important.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Chris M, that's right , chris M the seventh.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I can't pronounce his last name.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So you would say this is probably your biggest movie
coming out definitely thebiggest that's exciting.
No way I didn't realize westruck gold with this one.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Mitch, you did good well, you can thank Cindy keep
her on your payroll, man soalright, let's go his publicist.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, yeah, keep her on your payroll man, so sorry.
Uh, well, cool.
So, despite all the I mean,first off, as an actor who has,
like you know, you've been inthe game for 10 years, it looks
like, and you definitely have alot coming down the pipe uh,
maybe the next 10 years to havethis as a background movie,
maybe even your first big intheatrical release kind of film
(20:10):
with you know, let's just callit a nightmare production shoot
because you had to stop to shoota couple of times and all this
other stuff.
That's probably going to be anexperience story that that will
carry you a long way.
And when you are a seniorperson on films and people are
having crisis mode and stuffkicking off, you can have things
(20:32):
like this to refer to rightBack in my day.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, oh, yeah we used to walk up walk up the
mountain barefoot in the snow,just to get to the set.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean no , just to get to the set yeah
yeah, I mean that almost was areal thing, because some of the
shoot days in November in thedesert, out in the middle of
nowhere, it would drop to like20 degrees when we would head to
set, because we'd be goingthere before dawn and then you
get out to set in the desert andit might be 40 degrees but the
(21:03):
sun is shining, so it getsreally hot or feels hot but in
the shade, and it might be 40degrees but the sun is shining,
so it gets really hot or feelshot but in the shade.
It'll feel less.
But yeah, so no, with regardingthat experience, I would
definitely attribute a lot of myability to handle a lot of that
stuff or stuff in the future,to my indie past and like just
doing the short film stuff andmaking mistakes on the you know
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the small things here and there,and learning to be creative
without money, without a budget,without making it work, without
having, like, being able tocall somebody up.
Hey can I get $50,000 for today?
Thanks, pal, cool, right, Iwish I could make those I would
be.
I'd be lucky to be making stufffor like $500, and that's just
(21:49):
enough to feed your cast andcrew.
You know if that deals, but hey, if everybody's in it to win it
.
They all love what you're doing, they love the project you get
on and you know, like I said,it's a camaraderie.
People are there because theywant to be there.
That's where a lot of magic canand will happen.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You had to have one producer that was crying in a
corner somewhere like, no, we'reshutting down again.
Oh, we were all crying.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Have a lot of your projects or have half of them or
so been in the indie filmfestivals and things like that.
Let's see.
Probably I don't remember whichones I think some of the shorts
have done pretty well on someof the indie circuits.
The other feature films thatI've done are primarily being
sold at these larger filmfestivals, such as can or
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american film market.
Yeah, I've been going to canfor the past three years.
No way um.
This last year we held a bigcool red carpet party for a
canyon of the dead um, it was atone of the big fancy hotels and
yeah, we had the red carpetsand doing all the cool photo
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shoots, yeah, and all the photoops.
It was pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
How did the audience take the?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
premiere.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Did they laugh at the right beats and were into it?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I think there were a few moments of laughter, but
yeah, it was more of ahistorical drama, like we were
saying.
So there were the gasps whereit needed to be and the whoa wow
.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Did you find yourself watching the audience more than
the movie?
Like react?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Kind of, because you know, on that one, I was helping
to be part of the producer teamand helping some things go
through left and right, Just totry and help make things happen.
Uh, for the production, um,just, you know, helping out,
like I said, I've got the indiebackground and I'm like, hey, I
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was working with the directorwriter, extraordinary Cordy.
Cordy Voorhees specifically.
The dude's amazing at handlingthings left and right.
Never seen anybody handle somuch stress so beautifully and
eloquently.
It's just okay.
You just receive extreme, youknow, crazy bad news, like the
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shutdown, for example.
Okay, all right, everybodyhere's what's going to happen,
we're going to do like this andthat he makes it look he would
turn crazy things like that intoopportunity and into something
good that people look forward to.
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, you can sell a disaster, oh man.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Dude's amazing, great guy.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's how you're a leader.
So you talked about being aproducer.
Yeah, how did you find yourselfinto this role?
I see you made some short workyourself.
What is this the face?
What was it called?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Funny.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Face, funny Face.
You wrote and directed andproduced that one.
Was that your first?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, I didn't direct it.
I did write it and produce it.
I had a gentleman named FelixPinheiro come on board to help
direct.
I was just honestly, it was oneof those shorts.
I was like I'm bored, what areyou guys doing next week?
Cool, all right, you guys wantto make like a short film?
(25:27):
Yeah, sure, why not?
Cool, let's go.
And it was just that sort of adeal.
I was like, all right, let'swrite this up.
And it's meant to be a silentfilm.
Yeah, I hired some amazingcomposers to come on board and
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give like a, a french marionettestyle music to go with the
short.
Oh, cool, um.
And then, uh, yeah, I had somegreat makeup artists come on
board to do funny faces theclown faces and got some cool
people on board and then I neverreleased it she never released
it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
We did this awesome project.
It's like awesome project.
How do you get to the pointwhere you could just be like,
hey, let's just do a short?
It's like you got an idea.
No, I was just thinking ofsomething Money.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, it does cost money, that's for sure.
The short was just like I justhad some ideas and with the
modeling background, it was veryeasy to just set up photo
shoots.
You just be like, hey, mrphotographer, you know what are
you doing next week.
You want to get together, do aphoto shoot.
And it was just sort of thesame idea for creating this
(26:34):
short, um and other shorts.
I was like I got an idea, we'llsee if anybody wants to do it.
And you call two people andthey're like yeah this is great,
let's do it.
And then they call two peopleand they're like yeah, this is
great, let's do it.
And then they call a couplepeople.
And then they call a couplepeople and before you know it,
you've got 50 people on set.
And, before you know it, TomCruise is like what are you
doing?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I've done.
I went to film school.
I've struggled to get peopleinterested in doing projects,
especially if it's short work.
You know, it seems like youhave the exact opposite, and
that's another reason why I'mstruggling to like you so much,
right he's handsome so yeah,you're way more handsome than me
and charismatic but, but youguys.
but so, uh, like what, how doyou pitch short work to people
(27:21):
like hey, this is for funsies,or like we, we're going to see
what festivals we can get into?
Like you can't pitch money, youknow this is going to make a
thousand bucks per head orsomething like that.
You can't do that.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
No, Um, a lot of times it's just um, because of
where I'm at, who I talk to.
I talk to who I talk to.
I talk to annoyingly talk aboutmaking movies and acting and
all that all the time witheverybody, and so I think just
talking about it enough toenough people.
It gets them excited becausethey have similar passions and
(27:55):
interests.
And when you're talking aboutpassions and interests with
people who find to have the samepassions and interests, you can
get that collaborative effortgoing on, especially and
interests with people who findto have the same passions and
interests.
Okay, you can get thatcollaborative effort going on,
especially when people getexcited about a particular idea.
It's like, hey, what are youdoing on Friday and Saturday?
You want to do a thing.
(28:15):
Yeah.
And they're like, no, don'tever talk to me again.
Or they're like, oh, that'ssweet.
And then, you know, stuff comesout of it and sometimes it's
out there and gets a ton oflaurels and great stuff, or you
know, at worst people cometogether and it's a great
(28:37):
networking event for people whoare working.
You know who?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
want to work.
You're just calling the wrongpeople.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I am.
I was about to say like there'speople out there that make you
know who want to work.
You're just calling the wrongpeople.
I I am.
I was about to say like there'speople out there that make you
know film for the sake of makingit and not just because, like,
they want money.
That's wild.
I I clearly I'm in the wrongcircle, but my money helps,
money helps well, I, I get thattoo yeah so yeah looking well
the tough part is also in filmschool.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
everybody's also trying to do their own thing and
I feel, I believe, and it's notuntil you're actually out there
are people like yeah, like thisis great.
And you find passionate peoplewho may not have gone to film
school but want the experience.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
What I advise, and with my, you know, I'm obviously
not in a position, like you, togive advice, but here it is.
But people who are starting out, I I'd say you know, sure, you
want to be a writer, you want tobe an actor, you want to be a
director, but also find atechnical trade behind the
camera.
That uh could apply as well.
Be a helper on somebody else'sset if you could be that grip
(29:42):
guy know, do you got anythinglike that too, uh?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I mean, I would just say, as the producer guy, my
skill outside of acting is, Ifeel like I'm very good at
recognizing people's talents andknow what they like and knowing
how to kind of put their, putthem and connect them with the
right people to do the rightawesome, cool stuff.
(30:09):
Yeah, and just know like, oh,this person is really loves the
power rangers and they know howto, you know, do martial arts.
Yeah, uh, meanwhile I'll belike, oh wait, there's this
person who just really lovescosplay or something and it'd be
like, cool, and I know this guywho's an amazing
cinematographer but he hasn'thad a chance to get out there
(30:31):
and do stuff.
Let's do a fight scene withPower Rangers.
Oh, yeah, put them all togetherand see what happens?
And then?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
you collect the finer's fee.
Right, you get to collect somefiner's finance fee money, if
there's money in it doing athing.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
But yeah, I totally agree.
I do agree five thousandpercent with you.
For me, like I said, mine ismore of like the.
My experience is on thebusiness side of things, putting
it all together and justknowing who is good at going
where, what doing, that I triedlearning camera stuff and I am
(31:09):
me too technical and you know,every freaking year there's a
new camera apparatus with crazytechnique that requires a
college degree to figure out.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know, I just like I can't keep up with this.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
So it's insane and I try to talk to a lot of these
camera guys who are superexcited about it and I'm like I
have no idea.
I recognize three of thosewords yeah, um yeah but, I see
that you're excited about it, soI'm like I know exactly who to
put you with right.
You know to geek out about it.
Yeah, on set.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
That's how I get one.
He starts talking aboutspecifics behind camera, stuff
about movies, and I'm likeuh-huh, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Just nod, yeah, uh-huh.
Anyways, looking at your IMVUas you listed out as, like an
actor, a producer and a writer,which one, personally, do you
find the most rewarding?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh, definitely the acting and the producing.
I don't know.
Producing is pretty rewardingin and of its own self yeah.
Because, like I said you, youknow, at the end of the day,
when you bring all these peopletogether for a common goal, and
then you accomplish that goaland everybody's happy about it,
(32:26):
that is really cool.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
When you're the big guy on set and I'm sure you've
been on film sets whereeverybody's just miserable and
they're slogging away you getpeople to slowly stop showing up
.
But then you've been on filmsets where it's like a party 24
seven and that to be the guythat can orchestrate all that,
get good product and have agreat experience, that's gotta
(32:51):
be a champion.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Experience oh yeah, uh.
I've been fortunate to be onsome great sets like that where
it's like I say, you know someof these movies it turns into
something of like a familyenvironment.
You get your temporary family.
Then they, you know, it's thelast day of set and it's, it's a
bittersweet thing.
It's like, wow, we did somecool stuff, it was awesome and
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we, you know, all became suchclose, great friends for past
month or two and then you allgot to go say bye and go to work
on the next thing.
I agree, it's definitely there.
There's the opposite end whereyou know what it's like being on
those bad sets where peoplejust don't sometimes may not
(33:37):
know what they're doing, ordidn't have the budget, and
people are being miserable aboutthis or complaining about that.
Yeah, have you ever foundyourself?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
in like a uh like you know, under somebody who's
difficult to work with andyou're just kind of like trying
to take over a little bit youknow, for the sake of the film
or something like that
Speaker 4 (34:01):
oh, yeah, I I don't try to take over anything ever.
I'm always like hey, if youguys need help with anything,
let me know.
You know I'm there for jiggling, but most of the time if
anything like that happens, Ijust do this thing where it's
just smile and nod.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Smile and wave, bro.
Smile and wave, I do that a lot.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Yeah, and you realize it's like well, yes, this is my
passion, it's something I loveto do so much.
It's also a job.
It's my job, it's my career.
And sometimes even in the 9 to5s people in the 9 to 5 office
job, you got to work with peopleyou don't like.
(34:46):
You have to work with peoplewho are crappy.
You have to work and that is anormal thing.
But these movie sets aretemporary things when it comes
to that, so I can just be likecool, all right, I'm getting
paid.
You can waste all the time youwant.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm getting paid, no matter what.
I can see a lot of peoplehaving problems working with you
.
I can understand why you'd be adifficult person.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh yeah, I'd be so mad man, this laid back handsome
guy, how dare he?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I just, you know, I just got one of those faces that
people just really want topunch.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He's too pretty hit him look at this guy one thing
we do like to ask actors, who wehave have good amount of
credits and been around a littlebit.
We always ask what is yourbiggest starstruck moment in
your career, where you like sawlike an actor, you were
somewhere and it was just kindof like that moment of holy crap
, that's so-and-so or like, ohmy, my God, I made it.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Well, I would say potential, yeah, making it.
When I felt like I made it waswhen I got my first SAG residual
check.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Oh yeah, hey, honesty , I appreciate that Most people
are like oh, you know, when Iwas first, the camera was first
turned on.
You know, I hear what you'resaying and I agree.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
That's what I'm like.
I am a paid like.
I get paid for actingcommercials, you know.
But when I felt like I reallymade it, it was when I got that
first SAG residual check, yeah,and I think it was like $65.
Nice, and I was like, yeah,this is the best day I cashed it
(36:28):
.
That's probably the mostgrounded response, I think.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's realism.
I appreciate it.
A lot of people give us some BSanswers.
I'm like okay, we'll believethat.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
What about a starstruck?
Yeah, starstruck, it might'vebeen uh there are a couple of
times I'm always like, wow,every time I'm on set with
somebody cooler has credits.
I'm like, well, this is thecoolest, Um.
But I think one of the firstones was working with Tom Felton
(37:01):
and Wes Studi.
Cause Tom, I was basicallyworking as like acting as Tom's
right hand man or one of hisright hand guys.
Um so I was like working withhim and and I ended up getting
we got to do like Thanksgivingtogether, because it was during
COVID times, Nobody wastraveling.
We did Thanksgiving and then wewere working together in london
(37:24):
and in new mexico and he likeknows my name and I'm like
that's really cool draco malfoyknows who I am and we're like
you know.
We had little pre preliminary uhshowings, whatever you want to
say, in london.
We got to like hang out thereand chat, I just play cool.
(37:45):
I'm talking with one of thestars from one of my favorite
movies of all time.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Totally normal.
Should I ask him questionsabout Harry Potter, or should I
just not ask him questions aboutHarry Potter?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
What was going through your mind.
Oh no, we didn't talk aboutthat too much.
That's good.
That's probably for the best.
Yeah, and what was it?
There was probably another time.
Oh, there was working with ohno, why can't I think of his
(38:18):
name right now?
We were doing Desert Dawn, themovie Desert desert dawn, and it
was starring.
It was cam, so cam, and thenalso cam gigante is that how you
pronounce I was.
I've worked on a couple ofthings with him.
Being recognized by cam wasreally cool.
(38:38):
Uh, he's like oh hey, becausewe had done the acting stuff
together in a movie prior tothat, like a year or two before.
But yeah, we were doing thatand I was also.
I was on set getting ready formy character getting all the
makeup done, like the dirty hairand blood on my face.
I was in the trailer for thatgetting my makeup done, and
(39:02):
Kellen Lux walks into thetrailer.
He just stops and goes oh hey,you're Chris Maher, right?
Yeah, I was like yeah, who me?
How did you know?
He's like oh right, yeah, Iknow.
I saw your picture and yourname on the call sheet.
I'm great.
I'm going to be looking forwardto working with you today.
Well, we'll check you out onceyou get it all set up, and then
(39:26):
he like head out.
Yeah, and I turn around.
I'm like, you know, it's myname, that's awesome, it's
amazing, best day ever.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Just like geeking out .
It's like being like a girl inthe front row at a Beatles
concert and John Lennon winkedat you.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
It's like yeah, it's like these people who are big
stars, and Kellen and Cam.
They were some of the bigcharacters in Twilight, which is
huge, and Kellen's done somereally cool stuff and they're
awesome guys, great guys to workwith.
Kellen was super positive allday and I love that he's just
(40:06):
down to say hi and chat witheverybody, right.
So I love, I love it whenactors like that, when they're
humble and excited to be there.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
yeah, it's always nice when somebody that you know
you you know that they've donea lot of good stuff.
They know they've done a lot ofgood stuff, but they're still
like a normal person to youthey're not like you know, kind
of like kiss the ring, like yes,I am that person yeah, it's
crazy because people forget thatactors are people too well,
sometimes actors also forgetthat there are people too.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
So this is true, yeah do you have any crazy stories
about that, some wild, you know,uh demands or anything like
that?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
yeah, oh yeah.
I'm not gonna name names oranything, but it's not even.
The crazy thing is, out of allthe people I've worked with and
like people who throw fits onset as actors are people.
The people who throw who arethe coolest, are the name actors
, who are recognizable frommovies or shows.
(41:03):
But it's the guys who are thepeople who are not known, who
are not recognized, that needthe biggest, that have the
biggest heads sometimes thatI've experienced personally.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I need to germ all red M&Ms.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah, do you know why that is?
Do you know the reason behindthat?
In Riders, by the way.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
No.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
So I don't know, this is more of a concert thing, a
band thing.
Okay, but I'm going to digress,but it's a cool fun fact Is
this the Van Halen thing?
Speaker 1 (41:37):
No, I think it was.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
So it was based on, like they have the whole writer,
which is the contract of like,oh, you have to have this, this
and that, and et you read thecontract that somebody read the
contract.
And because a lot of times inthe contract might be entire
safety things I think youreferenced Van Halen, but they
had like a pyrotechnics thingthat went wrong simply because
the stage or people producing itdidn't read the contract and
(42:19):
they didn't know how to properlydo it.
So since then they're like okay, we need to make sure that
people read the contract.
But it also creates an escapeclause.
It's like, okay, if you don'thave the brown M&Ms, we can
technically cancel because youdidn't follow the contract.
What a wild loophole, I guess.
And it's a little, but it'slike, yeah, if it's in the
(42:42):
contract, technically they haveto provide it.
But it could be a thing of likewell, now they didn't fulfill
the contract and we don't wantto play.
Huh.
I never knew that, so they'regoing to do it without penalty.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
But the real yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
It was all for safety reasons.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
The real reason is more because of safety.
I've never heard an argument onthe defense of why a person
should have a bowl of brown M&Ms.
But it makes sense they didn'tread it.
That does, that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Because early 80s Van Halen they would do these shows
in California and around theWest Coast and the stage and
stuff they had set up for DavidLee Roth going out towards the
audience they were rickety.
He fell through one of them.
So they would have all thesebig safety clauses in their
contracts and then they wouldput the most outrageous nonsense
in mixed into it, like, oh,only brown M&Ms, every girl who
(43:35):
comes in has to wear green shoes.
Like it's just all this, likewild nonsense that they want.
It's like there has to beexactly five bottles of Jack
Daniels on each table if, ifthere's six, I will lose my mind
.
It's just that BS that theywould put in, because then they
would go in and look to see ifall the crazy crap was there and
be like all right, they read it.
It's like we should be okay.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
So it's basically because of safety, because of
you know, I remember thepyrotechnic story and it's like
if the guy simply read theoutline of everything that
needed to be done properly,there would have been no problem
.
But it was clear that they justdidn't read it, and so that's
sort of the way to test and makesure that they know things
(44:15):
would kind of go according toplan or as just an ephemic
escape clause, so they could seethat and be like meh, that's
fine, they don't have M&Ms, welike it, we're down.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Show's canceled.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Well, thanks, for not demanding a bowl of brown M&M's
from us.
Yeah, where is my M&M's?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's in the mail we sent them.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
They're fresh from the M&M factory.
We read everything, we swear wepromise.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
It was all in the contract.
We read every single word.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Quit, I'm quitting.
I cannot believe this.
I'm calling my agent.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Is there anything you got that's coming up?
You want to talk about thatyou're involved in.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
We talked about the Canyon movie.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah.
Aside from the Canyon of theDead that we're hoping for a
theatrical release on this year.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Hoping for a theatrical release.
We're waiting for some of thefinal, the final uh
confirmations on some thing, butsome things.
So cross your fingers who'sdistributing that?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
uh, who's distributing that movie?
If you don't mind me askingthat's what.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
That's what we're waiting for we got something
like I can't.
I can't play too much, but goodthings probably talking too
much about it but but whatever,it's fine what.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I'm not in that, I've never, what about.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
I've never acted in my life.
What a crazy.
Well, um no, what do I havecoming up?
Speaker 5 (45:40):
I was gonna say when I talked with your publicist uh,
she mentioned something with aVictoria Jackson from SNL.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yes, uh.
So next weekend, on February8th, you're having a huge red
carpet premiere in VirginiaBeach of a movie that I
co-starred in with the amazingNatalie Veeder as the lead
actress, and we're having a bigred carpet premiere for it,
(46:08):
called Boardwalk Winter.
Okay.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
We're going to do all the fancyred carpet thing.
I need to find a suit.
Do you guys have anyrecommendations?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
We are not the tax bracket for asking for suits.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I mean, you could borrow my tux.
But I'm in gym clothes, so Idon't know what size you are.
Are you a 46 regular with34-inch waist?
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I'll tell you what you need some tickets to that
premiere and we'll figure it outfor you.
How about that?
Speaker 4 (46:36):
We'll tell you what we need.
I'm going to wear the tux topwith, like the gym shorts
bottoms.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, yeah, it'll be great.
Is that like the Idaho, idahoformal?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
wear.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'msorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
iowa, I'm sorry.
You got two states that startwith an I.
Pink flamingo chubbies, okay,and anything else coming out
(47:07):
this year.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
This year.
Let's see, I have I don't evenknow man.
Oh, ftx Descent Into Madness,that'll be out.
That's a pretty funny, crazymovie about the whole FTX
scandal, ftx, yes.
Ftx, what is it?
The Sam Bankman Freed people?
(47:30):
I have no.
What is it?
The Sandbank Manfred people.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
I have no idea what we're talking about.
Tell me more.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
So the whole FTX scandal, the crypto company that
went bankrupt and they werehaving like Sandbank.
Manfred the leader of it waslike embezzling money or doing
horrible, crazy stuff with money, no way.
Anyway, it made a lot of bignews in the crypto world.
You guys are into that.
I just remember Doge, doge,yeah, doge.
(48:00):
That's the thing.
Hey, I'm a big fan of Doge.
It made me a lot of money atone point.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Wow, A long time ago.
Man he's just striking goldeverywhere.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Were you born with a four-leaf clover in your pocket.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
I am Irish a lot.
I'm just especially an Irish,don't you know that?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
was a good accent.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
He's an actor.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
He is an actor.
He acted very well.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
You don't have to be so nice, you can be a little
critical.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You can't be mean to somebody this handsome you
totally can I'm used to it.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Do you find that most of the work coming out
theatrical versus streaming likeGable?
What is the most interesting,most challenging?
Can you describe for the laymanwhat that's like?
Speaker 4 (48:53):
Well, everybody wants their movies to be out in the
theaters, but a lot of thethings are now straight to
streaming.
That's a big deal.
A lot of people you knowtheaters are sadly kind of dying
.
It's not the experience it usedto be.
Tickets are extremely high.
The cost of living is reallyhigh, so it's hard to go justify
(49:16):
spending 20-something bucks ona theater ticket.
Meanwhile you could just spendless than that on a subscription
and just stay at home.
And there's never a lot for thebathroom.
Yeah, exactly, and I feel like alot to do about it.
Yeah, exactly, and I feel likewe're losing that sort of movie
(49:36):
magic that's going on now andstraight to streaming.
But I mean, it's good to havestraight to streaming for some
things.
Yeah.
And other things.
You've got to have that bigtheater experience.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
You think that's why the indie film, you know
dichotomy of, like the film,entertainment world, is kind of
blowing up, even more so thanthe big A, the oligopoly, you
think that's because of thestreaming services.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Streaming services have a lot to do with it,
because now the average Americanconsumes some ridiculous amount
of hours of streaming, likemonths even.
But there's also the fact thatthe past several years we've
been in the writer's strike,we've had the SAG strike and
it's still not even all the waycompletely resolved.
(50:25):
You did it to yourselves, Sorrywhat.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
You did it to yourselves.
What?
Speaker 4 (50:31):
you did it to yourselves yeah, yeah um.
So yeah, it made made thingskind of difficult and there were
a lot of things that peoplearen't budging on, but it makes
sense, yeah, um, for example,like a lot of these studios
wanted to say, even if you werean extra, if you were an extra
in one of their movies, theywanted to have the right, the
(50:52):
entire right, to copy yourentire image, right, put it into
ai and then just continue touse that as extras or like as
extras in their movies yeah ortheir shows.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
We talked about ever paying those people, ever again
we, we talked about this beforeand actually you'll have a
really interesting standpoint,being an actor and a producer.
Like there's some productionyou know movements before the
SAG strike where people werelike I don't know, there's no
way they're not viewed as avillain in those situations.
(51:25):
You know what was going througha person's head where they think
that they could get away withsomething like this you know,
what was going through aperson's head where they think
that they could get away withsomething like this, you know,
and uh, I felt bad for thoseactors, money typically has a
lot to do with it, you know,because think about it.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
It makes sense.
Uh, a background actor for SAGwill cost you know a couple of
hundred bucks for a day.
You got to feed them, you gotto make sure everybody's good
and then you multiply that times, maybe you have a huge set day
where it's a hundred people thatright there, of just having one
scene with like 100 extras justextras, not even the main cast,
(52:01):
who you know already is costingyou a million dollars a day.
Your extras might cost yousomething like a hundred
thousand dollars extra per day.
Right now.
Me coming from the indie world,I'm like I could make like a
huge indie film with that justno name actors and this by you
know, get people involved, right.
(52:22):
But with these studios thenyou're talking potentially
spending, you know, yeah, amillion dollars on just extras,
and it makes sense.
But with the main people, youknow the main named talent who's
recognizable and wanting totake their images and use that
continuously.
I mean, they'd be making bankoff of that if they never have
(52:46):
to pay them to be there or doanything again.
You just hire some like a stuntdouble or a body double and you
put an AI image over their face.
You just copyright theirlikeness and usage.
And they're like hey, you don'thave to show up, Mr Rock, or
(53:06):
somebody like that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Is that the future?
Speaker 1 (53:08):
They're just going to start using dead people.
It's like in this summer, theRock John.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Wayne John.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Wayne, Buster, Keaton , Charlie Chaplin and Hitler
Star in Three Men and a Baby.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Is it just like hey, chadgbt6, can you make me a
movie and then give them a logline and then just watch what
pops out and see if you can sellit?
Is that where we're going?
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Yeah, that's probably a very realistic thing that may
be happening in the next fiveto ten years.
Oh, I hope so.
I hope it's not that soon, youknow an entire industry is
looking to be down.
You know automated AI.
You know a lot of people in myindustry might not be having a
job here because of that.
(53:55):
I believe there also be youknow people.
Maybe people will pay more togo to the theater experience and
have an immersive theaterexperience where they do have
the real actors and they do havethe real you know storylines,
the real writers writing them,rather than just chat.
Gpt plugs, inputs and outputs.
(54:17):
But, who knows, it's aninteresting and scary future
ahead.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
It is.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
And.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
I'd say fewer and fewer movies feel authentic
nowadays but, man, some of theones that you see I'm trying to
think of something more recentDune okay, it's kind of been
talked about way too much, but Ifelt like those two movies were
pretty solid, pretty original,you know, based off the IP, but
(54:45):
well produced and everything wasas authentic as you could get
in this fantasy world, whereas,you know, you have some cookie
cutter Hallmark romance moviesthat pop out every Thursday and
it's just the same storyrehashed over and over again,
and it feels like Chad GPT wroteit, you know.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
People watch them.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, they do, that's true.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
Watch those, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Whatever the underline is, we can get people
to pay money for them.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Yeah, I mean, once again they call it the
entertainment industry.
It is an industry.
I mean, there are people whomake the movies just as art,
which is great, but they've gotto make money once again,
because a lot of people won'tshow up.
They won't show up to work ifyou're not getting paid.
It's all about the money.
(55:33):
It's a job.
At the end of the day, it is ajob, it is work, it is an
industry, it's a business andain't no business like movie
business like showbiz, it'sconstantly evolving well, chris,
mayer, mayer, I'll get it.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Maher, maher, maher, you were so close.
Chris.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Maher.
Speaker 4 (55:56):
Maher.
Next time All right Next time.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Thanks so much for coming on Honestly your
background and you know, I thinkthis is probably one of the
more original guys startedmodeling, got into acting and
ended up producing and acting ina lot of his own works.
That's, that's a wild take oneverything and, yeah, your
production, thoughts and adviceon stuff Phenomenal, phenomenal.
(56:19):
I really, really appreciate youtaking a minute out of your day
to talk to us and we'll bewatching you closely.
We hope that you know the thethe Canyon of the Dead movie
comes out and if it comes intheaters, we're going to see it.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
And we hope that we get to talk to you like a
spoiler kind of like episode.
Maybe one day we can talk toyou about all the stuff that
happens in the movie, so that'dbe cool.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
Yeah, that'd be fun.
Thank you guys so much forhaving me on board.
It was fun to chat with you onthis Sunday afternoon.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
You guys rock.
It was a good time.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, just kind of laid back, take it as it comes,
kind of podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Just three guys with beards drinking Red Bull and
hanging out.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
That's right, there you go, hey soon.
I heard you guys are going tobe having some video portion on
this next.
We could get on that.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
See those epic beards this next, we could get on that
.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
See those epic beards .
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, we'll show people the face that we keep
trying not to talk too muchabout.
Here we are Three unfunnygentle people.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
And it's like handsome Squidward over here.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah you did a face for that pretty good.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
He's just like more mad.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It's like damn it, he's more handsome.
I have to be the most handsomeperson in the room.
He turned a handsome meter from10 to 11.
Alright, man.
Well, thanks so much.
We'll try and find a way tokeep in touch.
Thanks for taking some timewith us and that was it for this
episode of Entertain this.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I'm Tom Hayden, I'm Mitch, and we'll catch you on
the next one.
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