August 18, 2025 • 27 mins
Serial entrepreneur Tanner opens up about the remarkable journey of building two thriving, debt-free businesses from the ground up. Starting as a private gardener before founding Magnolia Landscape Group eight years ago, Tanner shares how he strategically expanded into construction during the pandemic, creating Noah's Ark Construction to ensure year-round work for his team.
What makes Tanner's story particularly compelling is his refreshingly honest perspective on entrepreneurship. He shatters the common misconception that business owners are instantly wealthy, revealing how he invested everything he had when starting out and still works alongside his employees digging ditches. This hands-on leadership approach has earned him tremendous respect and fostered a positive work culture that drives his success.
Rather than pursuing aggressive marketing strategies, Tanner has built his businesses through consistency, specialization, and genuine relationship-building. By focusing on specific niches where he excels—like outdoor patios and living spaces—and prioritizing quality and reliability, he's developed a network of repeat customers who eagerly refer him to others. His commitment to showing up when promised and immediately responding to inquiries has allowed him to secure jobs simply because competitors failed to return calls.
The conversation takes a thoughtful turn as Tanner discusses how he balances entrepreneurship with personal life. As a married man and foster parent, he's established clear boundaries, setting aside dedicated time for family, monthly vacations with his wife, and honoring Sundays for church. His wisdom on knowing when to say "no" professionally to protect personal priorities offers valuable guidance for entrepreneurs struggling with work-life balance.
Tanner's parting advice resonates with authenticity: "Don't be scared, just go for it." He acknowledges the inevitable challenges and slow periods but emphasizes that persistence and quality work will ultimately lead to success. For anyone dreaming of starting their own business or seeking to grow an existing one, this conversation provides practical wisdom from someone who's built two successful companies through dedication, integrity, and genuine relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there and welcome to this week's episode of Epic
Entrepreneurs.
Man, I am excited.
Today We've got a serialentrepreneur with us.
He's got a couple of companies.
It's Tanner from Noah's ArkConstruction and Magnolia
Landscape Group.
Hey, welcome to the podcast.
So, tanner, tell us a littlebit about your businesses.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yes, we own Magnolia Landscape Group and Noah's Ark
Construction.
I started Magnolia Landscapegroup back about eight years ago
.
I worked for someone else as aprivate gardener and then I just
uh, seen the correct time tojump out and take the leap of
faith and go out on my own.
And then we started doing a lotof decks and outdoor living
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patio areas for customers.
So I was like, why don't we getinto the remodeling side of the
business and start anothercompany?
So during COVID I decided toopen up a construction company
and go with there and it'sturned out great and it gives us
winter work for the winter andgives us summer work for the
summer and we get to work yearround.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, no, I like that .
That's one of the challenges inlandscaping.
Right, the seasonality of itCorrect.
So yeah, how'd you come up withthe name Noah's Art for your
construction company?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
My first name is Noah .
Oh got it, and so it speaksabout our faith, and just speaks
about whom, what my name is,and so, uh, we wanted to name
our little boy whenever we havea kid, I mean my wife, noah, and
so then he can maybe get thatbusiness one day and pass it
down generational I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I like it.
It's got the faith thing and Iwas wondering about that, as
well as the uh, as well as thename.
It's kind of a play on words.
I love that.
So if you had to start overfrom square one in business,
what would you do differently?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
For either company.
I'm assuming it doesn't matterwhich company.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, just in business in general.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, uh, I would.
Probably I might've would'vewent out working for myself a
little sooner than than I did,uh, but I was able to learn a
lot and I knew the right timewas when the right time was.
Uh, it just worked out.
But, uh, I like being my ownboss and being able to manage my
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schedule with my employees andmy companies and what I have
going on.
But there's not much I wouldchange.
I would maybe change some,maybe save a little more money
or try to do a little thingsdifferently financially, but
it's all worked out and mybusinesses are debt free and we
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don't owe the bank or anyone anymoney, and so it's worked out
very nicely that we're able tooperate that way.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
No, that's fantastic.
How about when you went intothe second business?
Would you do anythingdifferently there?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, I would try to advertise maybe a little more
for it.
To start it off it was kind ofhush-hush, it wasn't really like
, hey, we're starting up this,another brand, or this is a
brand of ours.
Local people knew, I mean,where I live, that hey, this is
owned by the same company calledthe trailer that we pulled
around with all our equipmentand it has both logos on it.
But it's not like it's got aFacebook page but it's not
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heavily advertised or branded orreally spoken about.
I would maybe try to brand it alittle more and get it out
there to do other work.
But I mean, we've stayedsteadily busy with both
companies to have constant workto give me and my family, my
employees, something to do andbe able to be profitable with
that.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, it's important.
It's important.
That's cool.
So what have been your biggestlearnings as an owner and
employer since you started yourbusiness?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Probably managing money and keeping everything
lined up, making sure you payall your subs or pay all, pay
all your different people thatyou have contracts with to buy
materials, with making sureeverything, making sure all your
customers are getting answersback in timely manners to um to
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receive estimates or to receiveinvoices or just to collect
payment.
As far as collecting money, Imean that's a big one for a lot
of people and startingbusinesses, making sure you're
going to collect the money thatyou're sending out invoices for.
But it all works out and youcan get it taken care of as far
as that.
(04:40):
Yeah, it seems likecommunication was a big thing
that you had to like how to getthe communication systems in
place to make all that happenthe job site, making sure the
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materials on the job site,making sure everybody's where
they are and all the vehiclesare running and all the
equipment's going smoothly, andthere's a breakdown, you got to
take care of that and.
But over time you learndifferent things to learn
different ways of how what worksbest for you.
And uh, I hang out with a lotof different small business
owners that uh have built largecompanies and uh, so I was able
to with a lot of different smallbusiness owners that have built
large companies, and so I wasable to ask a lot of questions
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and pick their brains and thensee what worked for them and
implement that, but or change itand be like, hey, well, that
worked a little bit from thisone, this worked a little bit
from this guy, and take those totake those two things together
and combine them into onepractice and make something that
works for us.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, I love that.
So what are some commonmisconceptions about running a
business and how do you address?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
them A big one.
A lot of my friends think hey,you're self-employed, you're
making tons of money.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's so true, right ?
Yeah, I remember getting intomy first business.
All my employees thought I wasrich, right, you know?
I just, I took I took everydime I had.
We didn't we put all kind ofmoney in that, but everything we
had we borrowed money, we.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know it was yeah, it was funny yeah yeah, I spent
like five hundred thousanddollars in one week, down to 50,
50 bucks, yeah.
And people were like, oh,you're stupid, you'll never make
it, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
And I'm like, oh, look back now.
But they always think you gottons of money and they think
that you're just the owner, thatyou're not out in the field
working every day.
And my philosophy is if I'mgoing to ask one of my guys to
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do something, I'm going to dothe same exact thing.
And, for instance, last week Iasked one of my guys to dig some
ditches and I left for a littlebit to go handle some stuff.
But then I came back and I gota shovel and a mattock and went
right beside him.
And they appreciate that moreif you work beside them, hand in
hand, and they appreciate youas a boss and respect you you.
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But a lot of people think thatsometimes we just have a lot of
time on our hands and we're justdriving around and goofing off
and can do what we want to dowhen we want to do it.
I mean there's some luxuries ofowning your own business.
I mean I can go get my hair cutwhen I want to, or something
like that, for instance, or grablunch where I want to grab
lunch, but that doesn't mean thephone doesn't stop ringing or
or emails don't stop coming, orcustomers or employees don't
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stop calling, so you're alwaysconstantly working, like I told
another guy actually earliertoday I ate lunch with.
He just started a smallbusiness and I told him I says,
when you start your smallbusiness, you're going to have
to live, breathe and eat thatbusiness.
If you pour your heart, heartinto it, if you're willing to
make it something big and tomake it work.
I said because if you're not,it's going to fail and you're
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going to have to be willing tosacrifice some things with you
and your wife, or financial.
You're not going to always getwhat you want for yourself and
it's not always easy, but itwill come out in the end and it
will all work out.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
Yeah, if you persist.
There's one thing you got tolearn and persist.
So what do you attribute yourgrowth to?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Uh, I've been consistent.
I stick with a couple littleniches that I know I'm good at
and that work well for me.
Like, for example, I do a lotof outdoor patios, a lot of
heavy equipment operator work.
I'm not like your typicallandscaper that just mows, blows
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and goes, as my famous sayingI'm not here to cut your grass
and trim your shrubs.
That's not my niche.
I can do it, but that's not myniche.
There's other people that cando that.
I'm going to come in and draw adesign or build a relationship
with that customer and continueto do work and work and work and
work for that customer.
I mean, we do no advertising.
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As far as my business,everything is word of mouth.
Just people see my trucksaround town, or just people I go
to church with, or just friends.
Or like I needed a piece ofequipment worked on last week
and my wife said, hey, this girlthat works with me, her
husband's a diesel mechanic,he's trying to start up
something on the side.
Why don't we give him a chance?
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And and I said, okay, soundsgreat.
And I gave him a chance, he wasable to fix the equipment and
that helps me.
And then I'm like, hey, dude, Igot a ton of equipment.
We got six vehicles in my fleet.
I said, hey, we've got tons ofvehicles and equipment.
Would you be interested in likejust staying on, kind of not
part-time, but if I need youyou're here?
And he said, oh yeah, that'd begreat for me and that's good
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business for him.
It helps me, it helps him andthen I can tell other friends
about him and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Right.
So niche and consistency seemto be your.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, and I like to repeat, you know, work with
repeat customers.
I mean a lot of.
I mean, for example, last yearI I did a, I did a big outdoor
living space for a woman.
That was upwards of seventythousand dollars and and then I
kept maintaining it.
After that, you know, wouldcome replace shrubs if they died
, or fix a nightlight if her dogran over a nightlight, or I.
(10:18):
Then I got their turf, theirturf to maintain their turf for
their yard.
And then, uh, I ended up doingsome remodeling inside of a
bathroom for them and I'mactually talking to them now
about doing a full kitchen andwhole downstairs remodel.
So one patio turned into abunch of work and then it was
able to get.
I got more work next door andso, hey, a neighbor came by and
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said, hey, can you come look atthis for me?
And I'm like, yeah, I can comelook at that for you.
And then it's just, it justgoes down the ladder and you
just continue to grow.
You treat one person well, andthen it just falls back in for
you.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
By the way, you actually do have advertising.
If you have signs on your truck, those are advertisements.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh yeah, you do yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm playing with you, I'm just messing with you,
we're not spending thousands ofdollars.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, no, you're not spending.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You're not doing a lot of billboards or anything
like that.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
No, I did a TV commercial a couple years back
for like five grand and thewoman was like oh, you're going
to get all these calls, we'regoing to get all these calls and
it's going to be great and wecan track it all.
And that was like one call andI'm like, oh, that was great,
$5,000 down the drain.
But some things work for somepeople and some things don't.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh yeah, all marketing works.
It just doesn't work foreverybody in the right time.
And the other thing is, I meanyou had a valuable lesson.
It didn't work for you.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That was an investment in your education, so
yeah, so how do you balancepersonal life and the demands of
running a business?
At first it wasn't very easy,you know, trying to build my
business.
At the time when I started mybusiness I wasn't married, I was
just dating, and then we gotmarried later on.
But I know at certain times,like in the evenings, that this
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is our time, or on the weekendsI'll try to set aside.
I say, hey, every other weekendwe can work on.
We just bought a house lastyear, we completely gutted it
and we've been remodeling it andwe can work on our house or we
can go out on vacation.
My wife likes to vacation, so,uh, we try to vacation like once
a month together, uh, and gosomewhere and do something, just
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us.
And we try to set aside onenight a week for each family.
And I just know that during myweek that, hey, I've got to quit
at six o'clock or I need to behome for family dinner at seven
or or whatever, and I just makeit happen that I can be there.
And now, of course, sometimesthings come up.
But, um, I try to balance, Itry to make everybody happy and
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balance it and, uh, you justlearn over time what works and
sometimes you have to tellpeople no.
You just learn over time whatworks.
And sometimes you have to tellpeople no, and then you have to
learn to tell people no.
And because you can't alwaystell people yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes, and then you end up gettingbit on the back end of it that
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then you over promised and underdelivered.
But it's better just to try tobalance all life.
And I know Sundays I'm notgoing to work, I'm going to go
to church on Sunday morning,sunday night, and then I know if
I'm on vacation, I can.
I can still answer the phone,but I'm, I'm on vacation and
I'll leave that on my voicemailand it is what it is.
If you need something emergency, I'll send one of my employees,
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or you can talk to my secretarythat answers the phone, uh, and
she can try to handle it.
If not, I've got some otherpeople that I can try to send to
handle it, but if not, it'sgoing to have to wait.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, most people are what they can perceive as an
emergency.
It's not actually an emergency,because they just thought about
it on Sunday and they want tocall you on Monday morning and
you know I can't 10 o'clock onSunday night, but hey, I was
thinking about this for my yard.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
can we get?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
this done next week.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm like uh, no, but no, but we can talk about it.
Yeah, we will talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, so what I'm hearing is like priorities you
got you prioritize church,family, and you got clear
boundaries and you're willing totell some people hey, hey, I
can't get it right now.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, like I had to tell a guy this morning.
He's like, hey, can you help methis weekend on a barn that
I've been building for a fella?
And I said look, dude, I'vebeen helping you for a year and
haven't been charging anything.
I said I've got to finish myhouse.
I'm on a timetable, I'm on atime crunch.
I need to finish my house.
I need to work on my house.
Uh, I said it's hard to workfor during the week.
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I'm getting able to work on ittoday because it's pouring down
rain outside.
I said, but I need to get itdone and get moved in here.
So yeah, we can live here andwe're not living in with my mom
and dad.
It's not a problem.
But I mean it's not.
You know it's not home, it'snot ideal.
Yeah, it's not ideal, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
It's not ideal.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got married in the middle of
COVID and it was unplanned, andI mean, we gave our parents nine
days to get married.
Hey, we're getting married innine days and we had nowhere to
live, no, nothing.
And so we've kind of we livedin the camper for a while, we
lived with my in-laws, we livedwith my parents, and then we
rented a house for a little bit,while we were going to try to
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build a house, and then covidcame along and said boom,
knocked that out of the water,and then I was able to buy a
house last year and and so Ibought this house and completely
gutted it and been working onit ever since yeah, one of the
hazards of actually being in thebuilding business is you know
how to do stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
All your friends all the time.
Like the guy we lunched withearlier.
He's like hey, you think youcould help me insulate my new
metal building?
I got.
I'm like no.
I mean, I can.
I mean are you going to pay me?
Or you just want me to comeover and show you how to get
started?
Can I mean are you going to payme or just, or, you just want
me to come over and show you howto get started?
What, what's the?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
deal here.
I can help you.
I know an insulation guy uh,yeah that's yeah, they're all
looking for the deal.
It's funny, so, um, you know,be epic is an acronym, so it's a
just just some quick fire,maybe a sentence or two about
each one.
So the B stands for bring theenergy.
What are your thoughts aroundthat?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I need to be positive , and positive every morning
when your guys get here, Ialways tell them good morning
and we're going to have a greatday, and be positive to them and
affirmation for a lot of peopleis great, because then that
continues them to work hard andtell them when they do wrong,
but also give them praise whenthey do right so that they know
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they're doing well.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I love that because you don't know what happened at
their house last night or inthat morning and you know they
need to be positive when theyhit the job site.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
That's correct.
Me and my wife are fosterparents.
Me and my wife are fosterparents, and so we've had some
kids that we don't know whatthey've came from, their
backgrounds have came from, thatthey're coming into our house,
and so I don't want to try tocompare them or anything.
I worked in the funeral homefor two years, while I still had
my company, to help a friendand all the time people would
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say well, I know how you feel,or I'm like no, you don't know
how they feel.
You might know what they'regoing through at death, but
everybody takes death separatelyand everybody comprehends and
takes things separately.
So you can help them, but youdon't know how they feel.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, no, no way, because no one's been where they
are at the exact time they'vebeen there.
That's correct.
That's what I always say aboutgrowing a business too like no
one's actually been where youare in your business at this
time in history.
That's right, so it's it.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
there's, yeah, so all right, the e is education.
What are your thoughts oneducation?
Uh, education is a great thing.
I have a two-year ground enemydegree and a two-year
horticulture degree.
Uh, I encourage people to.
I try to go to a lot of classesyou, you know and educate
myself on new plants or newideas or new new night lighting
or different stuff, and try togo to events and I think it's
great, but it doesn't alwayswork for everyone.
But try to learn as much as youcan, even if it's just hands-on
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knowledge in the field, just togain knowledge, to become
better every day.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, no, I love that .
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, it'd be better every day.
How about planning?
P is planning.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Planning you need to like.
I like to plan my schedules onSundays for the whole week or
like right now.
I'm planning months in advance.
I'm already talking to acustomer now for a project for
December, january, february,march of 2026.
So I like to plan months inadvance and stay booked out in
advance.
Some people don't want to wait,but they'll learn to wait if
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they want what they want andthey'll want quality.
And so just plan everything andset a schedule and try to stick
to that schedule.
I mean, there's weather,accidents happen, but if you can
stick to that schedule, thebest you can, that's the best
way to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
How about I inspir?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I mean, try to talk to other fellow business people
or back to the being positivekind of goes together.
If you're positive with youremployees, they'll inspire you
to do better, or you can inspirethem to do better things.
And I have a young boy I justhired a couple weeks ago and I'm
all the time telling him hey,you did a great job, or hey,
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work on this.
And he's all the time like, hey, I want to be.
He told me yesterday he's likehey, you did a great job or hey,
work on this, and he's all thetime like, hey, I want to be.
He told me yesterday he's likehey, I'd like to be like you
when I get older.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And I'm like I'm not that old I'm, I'm only 29.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Uh, I said, and you're 18.
I said but I mean, that's agood, that's a good feeling to
know that someone's hey wants tobe like you, or are inspiring
to be like you, to try to getbetter every day.
Yeah, I mean when you're thatage 11 years is a lot, I guess.
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's over half his life, so yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
It's an interesting one, right?
The C stands for commitment.
What are your thoughts aroundcommitment?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
If you're going to tell somebody.
My biggest thing is like withestimates.
All the time I hear in my fieldhey, someone said they're going
to be here but they nevershowed up and I'm all about if
I'm going to say I'm going to bethere at three o'clock, I'm
going to be there at threeo'clock and I'm all about if I'm
going to commit to doing it.
It might not be the funnestthing to do, it might not be the
easiest thing to do, but we'regoing to make it happen and
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we're going to try to commit towhatever you say you do and if
you do that, your business willsucceed and people will be happy
and they'll tell other peoplethat, hey, this guy did it and
it looks great yeah, I workedwith a plumbing company and his
whole thing was we show up.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, that was it.
It said it right on the side ofhis trucks.
He had 50 trucks and he allsaid we show up.
I mean, it was, you know, thatwas what they were known for.
They told.
When they told people they weregoing to be there, they were
there.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So, yeah, I mean I sold two jobs last week just
because she, the two customers,their daughter and mom, they
live side by side and theycalled the same two companies
I've done work for them in thepast and neither one would come
out to give an estimate.
And I mean, they're literallyin my front yard, in front of my
past, here at my house, and Iwalked and they called me.
I walked up there, I sold thejob and it's done.
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All you had to do was show upto give the person an estimate.
And if you give the person anestimate and they're happy, then
we can continue from there.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
It's a pretty shocking reality that, if you
can, how, how easy it is to getbusiness when all you really
have to do is be the one whocalls people back.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, and then if and if you screw up
on a job, I mean call them backand just continue to fix it fix
what fix whatever need theproblem needs to be to to make
the problem right, and soeverybody's happy what do you
wish you had known or thatsomebody had told you before you
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went into business?
oh, that's a hard one.
Uh, I don't know.
Uh, I mean I knew it wasn'talways going to be easy.
Uh, I mean I knew it wasn'talways going to be easy.
Uh, which may be, uh,financially a little bit, maybe
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on the finances side, that kindof when, when you start working
for contractors and doing biggerprojects I mean some projects
we do are north of a hundredthousand dollars Um, you've got
to be able to budget your moneyto be able to still pay payroll
and pay for your expenses andcontinue to do business and and
learn how to have a good capital.
I've learned now the hard way,but, uh, but, but learning kind
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of how to have a good capitalset back to to be able to do
jobs and float money and be ableto continue to live and not
have to suffer.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, the financial side.
That makes sense.
What words of advice would yougive other business owners who
are looking to grow?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Don't be scared, just go for it.
It's not always easy, it's notgoing to always fall in your lap
and I mean, for example, myphone has a ring in a month for
work, besides my neighbors.
But I know I have work lined up.
I mean I've got work lined upinto next year, but right now
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it's a slow.
Right now is slow for me.
I know that because people areon vacation and they're coming
back.
They haven't had any time tosit in their yard, but come fall
time people will start calling.
And just just don't give up.
Just know that there's alwaysgoing to be people to advertise
for you.
There's always going to besomeone out there talking about
you, good or bad.
But make sure it's good.
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But just just keep your head upand do better and just always,
always, treat each customer likeit's your job and that you do
it the way you want it done andthat if you do it correctly and
they're happy, then you willcontinue to succeed.
And don't tell people, hey,this person did a great job for
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and then you'll just continue toget more work and more work and
more work and you can grow yourbusiness just by word of mouth,
like that's example how I growmy business.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And I like it.
I like it so, and lastly,what's the best way for someone
to get in touch with you?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Uh, they can message us on Facebook or they can call
my number directly.
I'm always constantly on myphone, uh, constantly checking
emails or text.
Calls or text work the bestbecause I can hear a ring or
hear it go dean or something andthen I can respond back and
then we can respond back andthen normally I can get to an
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estimate within the next day ortwo.
I'll make it happen carve timeout in my days that I know that
around free time, or I'll do itin the evenings on my way back
to the shop.
But I try to get out therepretty, pretty close and then,
like for example the other day,a lady called and said hey, can
you come look at this?
And I said where are youlocated?
I said, oh, I'm only workinglike five minutes away from
there.
The gps says I said I can comethis afternoon if you want.
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She said, oh, that would begreat.
So I went there this afternoon,that that afternoon, and sealed
the job.
Well, but that's the best wayto get a hold of us show up,
show up early, that works, works, that's right that's, that's a,
that's a good philosophy.
Hey, this is me when I was inhigh school, my band teacher
used to say say if you're early,you're on time, if you're on
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time, you're late.
And that stuck with me for along time.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That's good.
It's a good mantra, and ifyou're late, you're rude.
That's what I always added.
That's the one I add on there.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
If you're actually late, it's rude.
Like the people coming to thechurch five minutes late.
It's rude.
Like the people coming to thechurch five minutes late and
everybody's like where have youbeen?
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
This has been great.
Thanks for being part of thecommunity and thanks for doing
this.
I think this is fantastic.
Appreciate it.
Thank you Until next time.
All the best.
Hey there and welcome to this week's episode of Epic
Entrepreneurs.
Man, I am excited.
Today We've got a serialentrepreneur with us.
He's got a couple of companies.
It's Tanner from Noah's ArkConstruction and Magnolia
Landscape Group.
Hey, welcome to the podcast.
So, tanner, tell us a littlebit about your businesses.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yes, we own Magnolia Landscape Group and Noah's Ark
Construction.
I started Magnolia Landscapegroup back about eight years ago
.
I worked for someone else as aprivate gardener and then I just
uh, seen the correct time tojump out and take the leap of
faith and go out on my own.
And then we started doing a lotof decks and outdoor living
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patio areas for customers.
So I was like, why don't we getinto the remodeling side of the
business and start anothercompany?
So during COVID I decided toopen up a construction company
and go with there and it'sturned out great and it gives us
winter work for the winter andgives us summer work for the
summer and we get to work yearround.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, no, I like that .
That's one of the challenges inlandscaping.
Right, the seasonality of itCorrect.
So yeah, how'd you come up withthe name Noah's Art for your
construction company?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
My first name is Noah .
Oh got it, and so it speaksabout our faith, and just speaks
about whom, what my name is,and so, uh, we wanted to name
our little boy whenever we havea kid, I mean my wife, noah, and
so then he can maybe get thatbusiness one day and pass it
down generational I like it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I like it.
It's got the faith thing and Iwas wondering about that, as
well as the uh, as well as thename.
It's kind of a play on words.
I love that.
So if you had to start overfrom square one in business,
what would you do differently?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
For either company.
I'm assuming it doesn't matterwhich company.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, just in business in general.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, uh, I would.
Probably I might've would'vewent out working for myself a
little sooner than than I did,uh, but I was able to learn a
lot and I knew the right timewas when the right time was.
Uh, it just worked out.
But, uh, I like being my ownboss and being able to manage my
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schedule with my employees andmy companies and what I have
going on.
But there's not much I wouldchange.
I would maybe change some,maybe save a little more money
or try to do a little thingsdifferently financially, but
it's all worked out and mybusinesses are debt free and we
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don't owe the bank or anyone anymoney, and so it's worked out
very nicely that we're able tooperate that way.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
No, that's fantastic.
How about when you went intothe second business?
Would you do anythingdifferently there?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, I would try to advertise maybe a little more
for it.
To start it off it was kind ofhush-hush, it wasn't really like
, hey, we're starting up this,another brand, or this is a
brand of ours.
Local people knew, I mean,where I live, that hey, this is
owned by the same company calledthe trailer that we pulled
around with all our equipmentand it has both logos on it.
But it's not like it's got aFacebook page but it's not
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heavily advertised or branded orreally spoken about.
I would maybe try to brand it alittle more and get it out
there to do other work.
But I mean, we've stayedsteadily busy with both
companies to have constant workto give me and my family, my
employees, something to do andbe able to be profitable with
that.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, it's important.
It's important.
That's cool.
So what have been your biggestlearnings as an owner and
employer since you started yourbusiness?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Probably managing money and keeping everything
lined up, making sure you payall your subs or pay all, pay
all your different people thatyou have contracts with to buy
materials, with making sureeverything, making sure all your
customers are getting answersback in timely manners to um to
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receive estimates or to receiveinvoices or just to collect
payment.
As far as collecting money, Imean that's a big one for a lot
of people and startingbusinesses, making sure you're
going to collect the money thatyou're sending out invoices for.
But it all works out and youcan get it taken care of as far
as that.
(04:40):
Yeah, it seems likecommunication was a big thing
that you had to like how to getthe communication systems in
place to make all that happenthe job site, making sure the
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materials on the job site,making sure everybody's where
they are and all the vehiclesare running and all the
equipment's going smoothly, andthere's a breakdown, you got to
take care of that and.
But over time you learndifferent things to learn
different ways of how what worksbest for you.
And uh, I hang out with a lotof different small business
owners that uh have built largecompanies and uh, so I was able
to with a lot of different smallbusiness owners that have built
large companies, and so I wasable to ask a lot of questions
(05:29):
and pick their brains and thensee what worked for them and
implement that, but or change itand be like, hey, well, that
worked a little bit from thisone, this worked a little bit
from this guy, and take those totake those two things together
and combine them into onepractice and make something that
works for us.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, I love that.
So what are some commonmisconceptions about running a
business and how do you address?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
them A big one.
A lot of my friends think hey,you're self-employed, you're
making tons of money.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's so true, right ?
Yeah, I remember getting intomy first business.
All my employees thought I wasrich, right, you know?
I just, I took I took everydime I had.
We didn't we put all kind ofmoney in that, but everything we
had we borrowed money, we.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know it was yeah, it was funny yeah yeah, I spent
like five hundred thousanddollars in one week, down to 50,
50 bucks, yeah.
And people were like, oh,you're stupid, you'll never make
it, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
And I'm like, oh, look back now.
But they always think you gottons of money and they think
that you're just the owner, thatyou're not out in the field
working every day.
And my philosophy is if I'mgoing to ask one of my guys to
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do something, I'm going to dothe same exact thing.
And, for instance, last week Iasked one of my guys to dig some
ditches and I left for a littlebit to go handle some stuff.
But then I came back and I gota shovel and a mattock and went
right beside him.
And they appreciate that moreif you work beside them, hand in
hand, and they appreciate youas a boss and respect you you.
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But a lot of people think thatsometimes we just have a lot of
time on our hands and we're justdriving around and goofing off
and can do what we want to dowhen we want to do it.
I mean there's some luxuries ofowning your own business.
I mean I can go get my hair cutwhen I want to, or something
like that, for instance, or grablunch where I want to grab
lunch, but that doesn't mean thephone doesn't stop ringing or
or emails don't stop coming, orcustomers or employees don't
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stop calling, so you're alwaysconstantly working, like I told
another guy actually earliertoday I ate lunch with.
He just started a smallbusiness and I told him I says,
when you start your smallbusiness, you're going to have
to live, breathe and eat thatbusiness.
If you pour your heart, heartinto it, if you're willing to
make it something big and tomake it work.
I said because if you're not,it's going to fail and you're
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going to have to be willing tosacrifice some things with you
and your wife, or financial.
You're not going to always getwhat you want for yourself and
it's not always easy, but itwill come out in the end and it
will all work out.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
Yeah, if you persist.
There's one thing you got tolearn and persist.
So what do you attribute yourgrowth to?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Uh, I've been consistent.
I stick with a couple littleniches that I know I'm good at
and that work well for me.
Like, for example, I do a lotof outdoor patios, a lot of
heavy equipment operator work.
I'm not like your typicallandscaper that just mows, blows
(08:35):
and goes, as my famous sayingI'm not here to cut your grass
and trim your shrubs.
That's not my niche.
I can do it, but that's not myniche.
There's other people that cando that.
I'm going to come in and draw adesign or build a relationship
with that customer and continueto do work and work and work and
work for that customer.
I mean, we do no advertising.
(08:58):
As far as my business,everything is word of mouth.
Just people see my trucksaround town, or just people I go
to church with, or just friends.
Or like I needed a piece ofequipment worked on last week
and my wife said, hey, this girlthat works with me, her
husband's a diesel mechanic,he's trying to start up
something on the side.
Why don't we give him a chance?
(09:19):
And and I said, okay, soundsgreat.
And I gave him a chance, he wasable to fix the equipment and
that helps me.
And then I'm like, hey, dude, Igot a ton of equipment.
We got six vehicles in my fleet.
I said, hey, we've got tons ofvehicles and equipment.
Would you be interested in likejust staying on, kind of not
part-time, but if I need youyou're here?
And he said, oh yeah, that'd begreat for me and that's good
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business for him.
It helps me, it helps him andthen I can tell other friends
about him and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Right.
So niche and consistency seemto be your.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, and I like to repeat, you know, work with
repeat customers.
I mean a lot of.
I mean, for example, last yearI I did a, I did a big outdoor
living space for a woman.
That was upwards of seventythousand dollars and and then I
kept maintaining it.
After that, you know, wouldcome replace shrubs if they died
, or fix a nightlight if her dogran over a nightlight, or I.
(10:18):
Then I got their turf, theirturf to maintain their turf for
their yard.
And then, uh, I ended up doingsome remodeling inside of a
bathroom for them and I'mactually talking to them now
about doing a full kitchen andwhole downstairs remodel.
So one patio turned into abunch of work and then it was
able to get.
I got more work next door andso, hey, a neighbor came by and
(10:39):
said, hey, can you come look atthis for me?
And I'm like, yeah, I can comelook at that for you.
And then it's just, it justgoes down the ladder and you
just continue to grow.
You treat one person well, andthen it just falls back in for
you.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
By the way, you actually do have advertising.
If you have signs on your truck, those are advertisements.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh yeah, you do yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm playing with you, I'm just messing with you,
we're not spending thousands ofdollars.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, no, you're not spending.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You're not doing a lot of billboards or anything
like that.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
No, I did a TV commercial a couple years back
for like five grand and thewoman was like oh, you're going
to get all these calls, we'regoing to get all these calls and
it's going to be great and wecan track it all.
And that was like one call andI'm like, oh, that was great,
$5,000 down the drain.
But some things work for somepeople and some things don't.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh yeah, all marketing works.
It just doesn't work foreverybody in the right time.
And the other thing is, I meanyou had a valuable lesson.
It didn't work for you.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That was an investment in your education, so
yeah, so how do you balancepersonal life and the demands of
running a business?
At first it wasn't very easy,you know, trying to build my
business.
At the time when I started mybusiness I wasn't married, I was
just dating, and then we gotmarried later on.
But I know at certain times,like in the evenings, that this
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is our time, or on the weekendsI'll try to set aside.
I say, hey, every other weekendwe can work on.
We just bought a house lastyear, we completely gutted it
and we've been remodeling it andwe can work on our house or we
can go out on vacation.
My wife likes to vacation, so,uh, we try to vacation like once
a month together, uh, and gosomewhere and do something, just
(12:28):
us.
And we try to set aside onenight a week for each family.
And I just know that during myweek that, hey, I've got to quit
at six o'clock or I need to behome for family dinner at seven
or or whatever, and I just makeit happen that I can be there.
And now, of course, sometimesthings come up.
But, um, I try to balance, Itry to make everybody happy and
(12:53):
balance it and, uh, you justlearn over time what works and
sometimes you have to tellpeople no.
You just learn over time whatworks.
And sometimes you have to tellpeople no, and then you have to
learn to tell people no.
And because you can't alwaystell people yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes, and then you end up gettingbit on the back end of it that
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then you over promised and underdelivered.
But it's better just to try tobalance all life.
And I know Sundays I'm notgoing to work, I'm going to go
to church on Sunday morning,sunday night, and then I know if
I'm on vacation, I can.
I can still answer the phone,but I'm, I'm on vacation and
I'll leave that on my voicemailand it is what it is.
If you need something emergency, I'll send one of my employees,
(13:33):
or you can talk to my secretarythat answers the phone, uh, and
she can try to handle it.
If not, I've got some otherpeople that I can try to send to
handle it, but if not, it'sgoing to have to wait.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, most people are what they can perceive as an
emergency.
It's not actually an emergency,because they just thought about
it on Sunday and they want tocall you on Monday morning and
you know I can't 10 o'clock onSunday night, but hey, I was
thinking about this for my yard.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
can we get?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
this done next week.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm like uh, no, but no, but we can talk about it.
Yeah, we will talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, so what I'm hearing is like priorities you
got you prioritize church,family, and you got clear
boundaries and you're willing totell some people hey, hey, I
can't get it right now.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, like I had to tell a guy this morning.
He's like, hey, can you help methis weekend on a barn that
I've been building for a fella?
And I said look, dude, I'vebeen helping you for a year and
haven't been charging anything.
I said I've got to finish myhouse.
I'm on a timetable, I'm on atime crunch.
I need to finish my house.
I need to work on my house.
Uh, I said it's hard to workfor during the week.
(14:42):
I'm getting able to work on ittoday because it's pouring down
rain outside.
I said, but I need to get itdone and get moved in here.
So yeah, we can live here andwe're not living in with my mom
and dad.
It's not a problem.
But I mean it's not.
You know it's not home, it'snot ideal.
Yeah, it's not ideal, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
It's not ideal.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got married in the middle of
COVID and it was unplanned, andI mean, we gave our parents nine
days to get married.
Hey, we're getting married innine days and we had nowhere to
live, no, nothing.
And so we've kind of we livedin the camper for a while, we
lived with my in-laws, we livedwith my parents, and then we
rented a house for a little bit,while we were going to try to
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build a house, and then covidcame along and said boom,
knocked that out of the water,and then I was able to buy a
house last year and and so Ibought this house and completely
gutted it and been working onit ever since yeah, one of the
hazards of actually being in thebuilding business is you know
how to do stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
All your friends all the time.
Like the guy we lunched withearlier.
He's like hey, you think youcould help me insulate my new
metal building?
I got.
I'm like no.
I mean, I can.
I mean are you going to pay me?
Or you just want me to comeover and show you how to get
started?
Can I mean are you going to payme or just, or, you just want
me to come over and show you howto get started?
What, what's the?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
deal here.
I can help you.
I know an insulation guy uh,yeah that's yeah, they're all
looking for the deal.
It's funny, so, um, you know,be epic is an acronym, so it's a
just just some quick fire,maybe a sentence or two about
each one.
So the B stands for bring theenergy.
What are your thoughts aroundthat?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I need to be positive , and positive every morning
when your guys get here, Ialways tell them good morning
and we're going to have a greatday, and be positive to them and
affirmation for a lot of peopleis great, because then that
continues them to work hard andtell them when they do wrong,
but also give them praise whenthey do right so that they know
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they're doing well.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I love that because you don't know what happened at
their house last night or inthat morning and you know they
need to be positive when theyhit the job site.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
That's correct.
Me and my wife are fosterparents.
Me and my wife are fosterparents, and so we've had some
kids that we don't know whatthey've came from, their
backgrounds have came from, thatthey're coming into our house,
and so I don't want to try tocompare them or anything.
I worked in the funeral homefor two years, while I still had
my company, to help a friendand all the time people would
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say well, I know how you feel,or I'm like no, you don't know
how they feel.
You might know what they'regoing through at death, but
everybody takes death separatelyand everybody comprehends and
takes things separately.
So you can help them, but youdon't know how they feel.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, no, no way, because no one's been where they
are at the exact time they'vebeen there.
That's correct.
That's what I always say aboutgrowing a business too like no
one's actually been where youare in your business at this
time in history.
That's right, so it's it.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
there's, yeah, so all right, the e is education.
What are your thoughts oneducation?
Uh, education is a great thing.
I have a two-year ground enemydegree and a two-year
horticulture degree.
Uh, I encourage people to.
I try to go to a lot of classesyou, you know and educate
myself on new plants or newideas or new new night lighting
or different stuff, and try togo to events and I think it's
great, but it doesn't alwayswork for everyone.
But try to learn as much as youcan, even if it's just hands-on
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knowledge in the field, just togain knowledge, to become
better every day.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, no, I love that .
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, it'd be better every day.
How about planning?
P is planning.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Planning you need to like.
I like to plan my schedules onSundays for the whole week or
like right now.
I'm planning months in advance.
I'm already talking to acustomer now for a project for
December, january, february,march of 2026.
So I like to plan months inadvance and stay booked out in
advance.
Some people don't want to wait,but they'll learn to wait if
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they want what they want andthey'll want quality.
And so just plan everything andset a schedule and try to stick
to that schedule.
I mean, there's weather,accidents happen, but if you can
stick to that schedule, thebest you can, that's the best
way to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
How about I inspir?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I mean, try to talk to other fellow business people
or back to the being positivekind of goes together.
If you're positive with youremployees, they'll inspire you
to do better, or you can inspirethem to do better things.
And I have a young boy I justhired a couple weeks ago and I'm
all the time telling him hey,you did a great job, or hey,
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work on this.
And he's all the time like, hey, I want to be.
He told me yesterday he's likehey, you did a great job or hey,
work on this, and he's all thetime like, hey, I want to be.
He told me yesterday he's likehey, I'd like to be like you
when I get older.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And I'm like I'm not that old I'm, I'm only 29.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Uh, I said, and you're 18.
I said but I mean, that's agood, that's a good feeling to
know that someone's hey wants tobe like you, or are inspiring
to be like you, to try to getbetter every day.
Yeah, I mean when you're thatage 11 years is a lot, I guess.
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's over half his life, so yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
It's an interesting one, right?
The C stands for commitment.
What are your thoughts aroundcommitment?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
If you're going to tell somebody.
My biggest thing is like withestimates.
All the time I hear in my fieldhey, someone said they're going
to be here but they nevershowed up and I'm all about if
I'm going to say I'm going to bethere at three o'clock, I'm
going to be there at threeo'clock and I'm all about if I'm
going to commit to doing it.
It might not be the funnestthing to do, it might not be the
easiest thing to do, but we'regoing to make it happen and
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we're going to try to commit towhatever you say you do and if
you do that, your business willsucceed and people will be happy
and they'll tell other peoplethat, hey, this guy did it and
it looks great yeah, I workedwith a plumbing company and his
whole thing was we show up.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, that was it.
It said it right on the side ofhis trucks.
He had 50 trucks and he allsaid we show up.
I mean, it was, you know, thatwas what they were known for.
They told.
When they told people they weregoing to be there, they were
there.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
So, yeah, I mean I sold two jobs last week just
because she, the two customers,their daughter and mom, they
live side by side and theycalled the same two companies
I've done work for them in thepast and neither one would come
out to give an estimate.
And I mean, they're literallyin my front yard, in front of my
past, here at my house, and Iwalked and they called me.
I walked up there, I sold thejob and it's done.
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All you had to do was show upto give the person an estimate.
And if you give the person anestimate and they're happy, then
we can continue from there.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
It's a pretty shocking reality that, if you
can, how, how easy it is to getbusiness when all you really
have to do is be the one whocalls people back.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, and then if and if you screw up
on a job, I mean call them backand just continue to fix it fix
what fix whatever need theproblem needs to be to to make
the problem right, and soeverybody's happy what do you
wish you had known or thatsomebody had told you before you
(21:54):
went into business?
oh, that's a hard one.
Uh, I don't know.
Uh, I mean I knew it wasn'talways going to be easy.
Uh, I mean I knew it wasn'talways going to be easy.
Uh, which may be, uh,financially a little bit, maybe
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on the finances side, that kindof when, when you start working
for contractors and doing biggerprojects I mean some projects
we do are north of a hundredthousand dollars Um, you've got
to be able to budget your moneyto be able to still pay payroll
and pay for your expenses andcontinue to do business and and
learn how to have a good capital.
I've learned now the hard way,but, uh, but, but learning kind
(22:39):
of how to have a good capitalset back to to be able to do
jobs and float money and be ableto continue to live and not
have to suffer.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, the financial side.
That makes sense.
What words of advice would yougive other business owners who
are looking to grow?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Don't be scared, just go for it.
It's not always easy, it's notgoing to always fall in your lap
and I mean, for example, myphone has a ring in a month for
work, besides my neighbors.
But I know I have work lined up.
I mean I've got work lined upinto next year, but right now
(23:23):
it's a slow.
Right now is slow for me.
I know that because people areon vacation and they're coming
back.
They haven't had any time tosit in their yard, but come fall
time people will start calling.
And just just don't give up.
Just know that there's alwaysgoing to be people to advertise
for you.
There's always going to besomeone out there talking about
you, good or bad.
But make sure it's good.
(23:44):
But just just keep your head upand do better and just always,
always, treat each customer likeit's your job and that you do
it the way you want it done andthat if you do it correctly and
they're happy, then you willcontinue to succeed.
And don't tell people, hey,this person did a great job for
(24:06):
and then you'll just continue toget more work and more work and
more work and you can grow yourbusiness just by word of mouth,
like that's example how I growmy business.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And I like it.
I like it so, and lastly,what's the best way for someone
to get in touch with you?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Uh, they can message us on Facebook or they can call
my number directly.
I'm always constantly on myphone, uh, constantly checking
emails or text.
Calls or text work the bestbecause I can hear a ring or
hear it go dean or something andthen I can respond back and
then we can respond back andthen normally I can get to an
(24:44):
estimate within the next day ortwo.
I'll make it happen carve timeout in my days that I know that
around free time, or I'll do itin the evenings on my way back
to the shop.
But I try to get out therepretty, pretty close and then,
like for example the other day,a lady called and said hey, can
you come look at this?
And I said where are youlocated?
I said, oh, I'm only workinglike five minutes away from
there.
The gps says I said I can comethis afternoon if you want.
(25:08):
She said, oh, that would begreat.
So I went there this afternoon,that that afternoon, and sealed
the job.
Well, but that's the best wayto get a hold of us show up,
show up early, that works, works, that's right that's, that's a,
that's a good philosophy.
Hey, this is me when I was inhigh school, my band teacher
used to say say if you're early,you're on time, if you're on
(25:28):
time, you're late.
And that stuck with me for along time.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That's good.
It's a good mantra, and ifyou're late, you're rude.
That's what I always added.
That's the one I add on there.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
If you're actually late, it's rude.
Like the people coming to thechurch five minutes late.
It's rude.
Like the people coming to thechurch five minutes late and
everybody's like where have youbeen?
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
This has been great.
Thanks for being part of thecommunity and thanks for doing
this.
I think this is fantastic.
Appreciate it.
Thank you Until next time.
All the best.
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