December 18, 2022 • 38 mins
Survivor Sarah Ransome's depostition reveals more of the shocking abuse she suffered at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
The sworn statement was made in early 2017 for the civil case of defamation whistleblower Viriginia Giuffre lodges against Maxwell. This was a case Maxwell settled.
The deposition is 469 pages long and gives insight into the trauma faced by survivors, both at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell, but also when facing lawyers.
This is part one of what will be a series over the holidays.
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The sworn statement was made in early 2017 for the civil case of defamation whistleblower Viriginia Giuffre lodges against Maxwell. This was a case Maxwell settled.
The deposition is 469 pages long and gives insight into the trauma faced by survivors, both at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell, but also when facing lawyers.
This is part one of what will be a series over the holidays.
Keep up to date with the latest twists and turns in this Epstein investigation with The Prince and the Pervert Podcast. https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/ [https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/]
Support our work on Patreon for exclusive content from AU$3 a month. We have some awesome new merchandise as a thank you. Full link: https://www.patreon.com/JeffreyEpsteinPrincePervert?fan_landing=true [https://www.patreon.com/JeffreyEpsteinPrincePervert?fan_landing=true]
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A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed socialite, and a billionaire
who may or may not have beenmurdered. Welcome to the world of the
Jeffrey Epstein, The Prince and thePervert podcast journalists Lisa and Jan bring you
the ultimate deep dive. Hello everyone, it's Jen here from The Prince and
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the Pervert. This is part oneof one of those unsealed documents from the
two thousand and fifteen onwards civil casethe Virginia Dufray brought against Galaine Maxwell for
defamation. First off, Sarah Ransom, another Epstein survivor. I'll be reading
out her deposition that she made inearly two thousand and seventeen. In this
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case, her deposition is four hundredand sixty nine pages long. So there's
going to be quite a few episodes, and it's probably best not played in
the car of there's children around.There are some true green things that are
talked about, and of course,just a reminder, Gallaine Maxwell settled this
defamation case. In other words,Virginia du free one. So let's get
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started, and apologies if I pronounceany names incorrectly. Page one, highly
confidential deposition of Sarah Ransom, NewYork, New York, Friday, fab
seventeenth, two thousand and seventeen,Page two. February seventeen, twenty seventeen,
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nine am. Deposition of Sarah Ransomheld at the offices of Boys,
Shriller and Flexner, five seventy fiveLexington Avenue, New York, New York,
before Jeremy Richman, a shorthand reporterand notary public of the State of
New York. Appearances Boys, Shrillerand Flexner l LP. Attorneys for the
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plaintiff that's Virginia by Sigrid Stone mcaulayEsquire, Haddon, Morgan and Foreman PC,
attorneys for defendant by Laura A.Manager Esquire and Jeremy S. Polluccia
which is spelled p A G.L i Uca, so I often refer
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to him as PAG. Appearances continued. J. Stanley Pottinger p LLC,
Attorneys for the witness which is Sarahby J. Stanley Pottinger Esquire. Mints
and Gold LP attorneys for the witnessby Peter Gergis Esquire also present Gallaine Maxwell
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via Teley conference page five. Itis hereby stipulated and agreed by and between
the attorneys for the respective parties hereinthat filing and Ceiling B, and the
same are hereby waived. It isfor the stipulated and agreed that all objections,
except as to form of the question, shall be reserved to the time
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of the trial. It is furtherstipulated and agreed that the within deposition may
be sworn to and signed before anyofficer authorized to a minister, an oath
with the same force and effect asif signed and sworn to before the court,
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Miss Manager. If we could havecounsel and to their appearances for the
record, please mister Gurgess sure.My name is Peter Gurgis. I'm appearing
on behalf of the witness today,Miss McAuley, Sigra McAuley on behalf of
Virginia Duffrey, the plaintiff in theaction, Mister Pottinger, Stan Pottinger on
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behalf of the witness, Miss Maninger, Laura Manager, and Jeffrey Polluccia on
behalf of me Smaxwell, who isappearing by telephone, Sarah Ranson, having
first been called as a witness,having first been duly sworn by a notary
public Brackets Jeremy Richmond close Brackets ofthe State of New York, was examined
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and testified as follows. Examination byMiss Meninger. Good morning, Miss Ransom,
good morning. Can you please giveus your full name, Sarah Emma
Ashley Ransom, and what is yourbirthdate? Sarah's answer is fully redacted?
And what is your current address?Gurgess, I'm going to object to current
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address? Meninger. You can answer, Gurgess. You can give your last
permanent address. Sarah answers, butit's all redacted brackets and off the record
discussion was held. Sarah answers again, which is completely redacted? Manager?
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And what does that mean? That'syour last permanent address? Sarah? I
reside there? Do you rent anapartment? My partner does? Who is
your partner? Gurgess, objection,Manager, who is your partner? The
witness? Do I have to answerthat? Gurgess? Yes, answer redacted
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redacted? Meninger, I'm sorry,Sarah, redacted, redacted? Manager?
How do you spell that last name? Answer? Redacted? Manager? And
how long has redacted been your partner? Gurgiess, I'm going to object.
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I'm not sure what the relevance ofthis is or where you're going with this,
Manager? How long has redacted beenyour partner? Sarah, Sorry,
can I just ask a question?I would like to just clarify. When
you say objection, does that meanI actually have to answer the question,
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because that's irrelevant, Gurgess. Right, unless I'm telling you not to answer,
you need to answer, Sarah,So I don't need to answer,
Gurgess. No, you do needto answer this. Okay, we've been
together almost a year. Manager,And what is your current occupation? I'm
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a writer. And what do youwrite? Just stuff, you know,
just about factual stuff, you know, just a bit of this, bit
of that. Have you been paidfor any of your writing? No,
it's more of a hobby. Really. Are you employed? No? Do
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you have any any source of income? My partner, Gurgess, I'm going
to object to that. Income isout. You don't have to answer that,
Manager, Do you have any sourceof income? Gurgess, I just
objected to that. You don't haveto answer, Manager. Is there a
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privilege you're asserting, Gurgess. I'mnot sure what the relevance is, and
I'm not going to allow. Manager. Do you believe that relevance is a
proper objection during a deposition? Gurgess, I believe that if you go far
afeel with this witness that the judgeis not going to appreciate it, and
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that I'm not going to just sithere and be a potted plant and allow
her to answer any questions on anysubject that you see fit. Manager,
on relevance, you're instructing her notto answer on a relevant subjection. Is
that what you're saying, Gurgess,I just objected, Miss McAuley. I'm
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going to object on behalf of theplaintiff, Virginia Duffrey, to the extent
that you're requesting from a non partyfinancial information, which is not allowed under
New York law. Manager, Ihave asked her whether she has any source
of income, and you're going toobject, Cigarett McAuley, Yes, Manager,
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and instruct her not to answer aswell. Cigarette, I'm not instructing
her not to answer. I'm justmaking a record, Gurgess. It's financial
information, manager, and whether shehas a financial motive is relevant. So
I'm going to ask you a lasttime do you have any source of income?
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Gurgess, I'm going to instruct youagain not to answer. Manager.
Has any of your writing been publishedby anyone? Sarah? No? Have
you sought to have your writing publishedby anyone. No, what is your
partner's occupation? Gurgess objection Macaulay objection, Gurgess, I'm going to object your
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same objection. Manager. If youare going to instruct the witness not to
answer, please say that contemporaneous withyour objection, because there are two different
things. There are objections and instructionsnot to answer. So are you instructing
her not to answer what her partner'soccupation is? Gurgess, right, same
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objection. I'm instructing the witness notto answer on the basis of both relevance
and because she's a third party nonI'm sorry, non party witness. Who
you are asking for financial information about? Manager? No, I ask for
an occupation Sigram McCauley. I'm goingto object that relates directly to financial information,
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so it's covered by the New Yorklaw with respect to non party witnesses.
Manager, what are the names ofyour parents Sarah's answer fully redacted?
How do you spell redacted? Answerredacted? And where do your parents live?
I'm not comfortable giving my mother's andmy father's addressed to you. Manager.
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Are you instructing her not to answer? Sigra McAuley, do you want
to confer, Gurgess, give mea moment on this, Sarah, we're
really well organized. Time noted ninetwenty one am. Recess time noted nine
twenty three am. Manager, MissRansom, there was a question pending when
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you took a break with your lawyers. Can you please answer the question,
Gurgess, I'm instructing the witness notto answer questions regarding current information about her
own location, her family's location,things of that nature. The witness has
expressed to me bears of harassment andthe belief that she's being followed, and
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my understanding is that there are otherwitnesses that have had similar fears and concerns.
And unless you make some sort ofproffer of the actual relevance of her
parents' addresses, wherever those are,I'm not going to have her answer.
Manager. Okay, where does thatunderstanding come from? Please, mister Gurgess.
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Mister Gurgess, where does your understandingcome from? You just made a
factual representation. I would like toknow where you're standing comes from. Gurgess.
Yeah, I'm not being deposed.I'm not going to answer your questions.
Manager, All right, Miss Ransom, did you agree to be a
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witness in the case of Dufray versusMaxwell. Yes? Did you voluntarily agree
to do that? Yes? Wereyou promised anything in exchange for your testimony
in the due Fray versus Maxwell case? No? Were you provided legal counsel?
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Sorry? Does that mean, Sigridyou have a lawyer? Yes,
Gurgess, Yes, Sarah, yes. Manager, Okay, how many lawyers
do you have? Now? Three? Manager? I would like the record
to reflect that the witness is checkingwith the lawyers to get answers to these
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questions. Pottinger, Wait, wait, wait, objection, Gurgess. There
is absolutely no exchange. No wordswere spoken by manager, mister Pottinger.
Did you put up a number offingers? Did you put up a number
of fingers? Mister Pottinger. Pottinger, you said, I'm going to object
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because the witness is answering these questionsin the plural, Manager, m Pottinger,
that is inaccurate. When she lookedat me to ask how many lawyers
she had, I said three withthree fingers. That is a single request
on her part and a single answer, not multiple. Manager. No,
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she has looked to her lawyers forprevious answers. We'll just make a record
as we go along, Thank you, Page nineteen. Sigra Macaulay, you
could have had a videotape here sothat we would have a record of that,
because I think your verbal record isinaccurate, So Pottinger, and in
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fact she this is mister Pottinger speaking, And in fact she has not looked
at me during this deposition except onetime, which was for what I took
to be a request to know howmany lawyers she has? Manager, So
are you being deposed mister Pottinger?Pottinger, I am not manager, Miss
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Rancer. How many lawyers do youthink you have? Three? Can you
please name them? Peter, SIGRedand Stan. Is mister Bradley Edwards representing
you? Yes? Is mister PaulCastle representing you? Know? Is mister
David Boys representing you? Yes?Secret Macaulay. I just want to be
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clear for the record if you're talkingabout representing generally or you're talking about a
particular matter, because we have acouple of matters. Manager, I'm asking
questions here, Sigared, No,I understand that you have to make the
record clear. Manager, Miss McAuley. If you want to ask her questions
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later, you are more than welcometo do. So, I am going
to ask questions the witness I amdeposing cigarette. Well, we want the
record to be clear that there aremore than one action. Manager. You
can ask questions when you're doing yourquestioning. I'm doing my questioning now,
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and so I will ask the questions, SIGRed. I'm going to object.
The record should be clear there ismore than one action pending here. She
is represented here as a non partywitness, and she also has her own
action pending. Pag. Thank youfor that speaking objection, miss McAuley and
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communicating that information to the witness,which you know is totally improper. Cigarette.
Now that's two people objecting right now. Is it going to be Laura
taking this deposition or you? Jeff? You guys have done this to me
before, and it's not a positionwhere you're allowed to object and she's allowed
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to object. You guys pulled thatat the last deposition, So please do
not do this here, Pag.I was just thanking you, Manager,
all right. So the number oflawyers we're up to so far is Gurgus
McAuley, Pottinger, Edwards, boys. That's five, correct, Sarah?
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Can I just ask you a question? No, you cannot Okay, are
those five lawyers that are representing you? Gurgess objection, Yes or no?
Yes? All right? Anyone elserepresenting you? No? Miss Schultz?
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Is Miss Meredith Schultz representing you?No? How much are you paying for
any of these lawyers? It's ona pro bono basis. Do you know
what each of those lawyers normal hourlyrates are? No? Do you know
how many hours you have spent withyour attorneys? No, Gurgess objection.
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How many hours have you spent withmister Gurgess Gurgess Objection Manager without communicating to
me any information you and he haveshared? Sarah? A few? Maybe?
How many? About eleven hours intotal? When is the first time
that you met mister Gurgess Gurgess objection, Cigarette You can answer, Gurgess,
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You can answer Sarah yesterday. Manager, you met mister Gurgess yesterday? Was
that your answer? Yes? Andwho is paying for mister Gurgess's fees?
If you know, I have apro bono arrangement. Do you know if
he's receiving money from anyone else inexchange for representing you? No, No,
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you don't know, or no,he is not. I don't know
how many hours have you spent withmiss McAuley. Can I just clarify that
question? Does that mean on thephone, Like, what are you referring
to in person or either one?How many hours? How much time have
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you spent with miss McCauley in person? I met Miss pauley for the first
time in person yesterday, but i'vespent Yeah, we've been. Miss McAuley
was the first person I actually spoketo. And how many hours have you
spent with her on the phone?Many? Many hours? Approximately? How
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many? I don't know five Gurgessobjection more than five? Ten Gurgess objection,
manager ten, well, ten,fifteen. She's been with me the
whole way since when I came forward, So she's been a very prominent person.
And when did you first speak withher on the phone? I think
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it was without telling me what yousaid, I think it was November November.
What I can't remember the day,early November, late November. Gurgess
objection. I can't remember she speakingto you on your cell phone or a
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landline, cell phone, a mobilenumber or a landline a cell phone?
Okay? And what's that cell phonenumber? I don't have it anymore,
that's okay. What's the cell phonenumber. I actually don't know. I
can't remember my cell phone number.I don't have anything with me, so
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I can't remember that number offhand.How long did you have that cell phone?
About eight months? What happened toit? I got rid of it?
Why? Because I fear for mylife because of Jeffrey Epstein and Colaine
Maxwell. What did you do withit? I sold it? When November?
Before or after? You first spokewith miss McAuley before? So,
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then, how did you speak withmiss McCauley over the phone on my partner's
cell phone? What's his cell phonenumber? Cigarette objection? What's the relevance
of her partner's cell phone? Again? This is irrelevant, it's harassing.
It's you're seeking information to be ableto The witness has already expressed fear about
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her people currently going after her,so we would object to that intimidation of
a non party witness. Manager.What is your partner's cell phone number?
Gurgess, I'm directing the witness notto answer. How many hours have you
spent talking with mister Pottinger. I'vebeen speaking to mister Pottinger from November.
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When in November? I can't rememberon your same cell phone that you got
rid of. No, on mypartner's cell phone. And when did you
first meet mister Pottinger in person?It was in the beginning of January.
And where was that meeting? Barcelona? Where in Barcelona? Barcelona? It's
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Barcelona we meet. I can't rememberthe area. In a restaurant, in
a hotel, in an office ina hotel. And how long did you
spend with mister Pottinger on that occasion? Two days? How many hours over
the two days? Gosh, aboutsixteen? How many hours did you spend
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with mister Edwards cigarette objection, Thesame amount he was with mister Pottinger.
Yeah. Yes. And mister Boys, how much time have you spent with
mister Boys. I haven't spent anytime with him yet. Have you met
him No? Have you spoken tohim on the phone? No? And
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you have not paid any money forany of these lawyers time? Correct?
Yes, in addition to your freelegal counsel, were you given anything else
in exchange for your agreement to bea witness in this case? Gurgess objection.
No. Did you fly over hereyes? From Barcelona? Yes?
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Did you pay for the plane ticket? Yes? How much was the plane
ticket it was. I think itwas a thousand. It was a thousand,
I can't remember the exact total.Has anyone agreed to reimburse you for
that? No, and you're stayingwhere while you're here? Gurgess objection and
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direct you not to answer that.Manager. Are you staying in a hotel
while you're here? Gurgess, youcan answer that, Sarah, Yeah,
are you paying for that? Curgiessobjection, and I'm directing you not to
answer. SIGRed you can answer,Gurgess. I think you can answer,
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Sigrid. Yeah, I think youcan answer Gurgess. That's fine. I
agree. Cigarette. You're a nonparty witness. You can answer that question.
Manager. Who is cigarette? Iam representing Virginia. He is representing
the witness. Manager. Well,you're representing the witnesses. Well, right,
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Sigaret, I'm not manager. Welldid you just tell her she can
answer a question, Sigret, Idid, manager? Are you paying for
the hotel? Sarah? No,who's paying for the hotel? It's on
expenses. I think of a witness. It's expenses from Yeah, I don't
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know. Actually you don't know whois paying for your hotel? No,
it's not you. No, andhow much per night is your hotel?
I have no idea. How longare you staying here on this trip?
Just for the deposition, Okay,when did you arrive? It was Tuesday,
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late Tuesday night. And when areyou leaving tomorrow evening? In addition
to your legal counsel and your hotel? Is there anything else you've been given
in exchange for your no to bea witness in this case? You have
to wait for me to finish myquestion before you answer. Sorry, have
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you been given anything else? No? Have you been promised anything else?
No? Have you been promised thatyou would have counsel to help you bring
a lawsuit against a number of people? Cigaret objection To the extent this gets
into attorney client privileged information, you'renot allowed to answer. Manager. Have
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your lawyers agreed to bring a lawsuiton your behalf against a number of people?
Yes? And are you paying forthat counsel? No? Have you
reached any agreement about a contingency feefor that case? Can you explain what
contingency means? Sorry? Do youexpect to receive money as a result of
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that lawsuit? Oh? No,No, you're not asking to receive any
money as a result of that lawsuit. No, No, all right.
So have you had any agreements regardingwriting a book? No? About your
experience. You have to wait forme to finish my question. Have you
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had any agreements with your lawyers aboutmedia rights in any form? Gurgess objection
to the extent that you're asking aboutcommunications with the attorneys, Manager, I'm
asking about her arrangement with her attorneys, which is not privileged. Sarah.
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Can you please repeat the question,manager? Have you reached any agreement with
your attorneys regarding media rights for yourstory? No? Have you talked to
anyone about publishing anything related to yourstory? Can you repeat the question please?
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Manager? Can you read it back? Brackets requested. Portion of the
record was read back, Sarah,Yes, I have. Who have you
spoken to the New York Post?Who at the New York Post? Maureen
Callahan? And when did you speakwith her? I think it was later
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October. Have you spoken with hersince? No? And how long did
you speak to her? I spoketo her, for gosh, about thirty
minutes on the phone once. Andwhat was that? What did you tell
her in your phone call? Itold her what Jeffrey Epstein and Colaine Maxwell
did to me and the other girls. Did she give you any money in
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exchange for that interview? No?Did she publish anything related to that interview?
No? How did you get intouch with miss Callahan? I emailed
after I read an article that shehad written about Jeffrey Epstein, and the
last sentence was it was on thesixteenth of October, And one of the
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last sentences I remember was will weever know the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's
victims? And I wrote her afterthat, because well it still continues,
doesn't it. Where is the emailthat you wrote her? It's on my
computer, okay, in your yahhoaccount. Yes. Did you have any
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agreement with her to have an additionalconversation? Yes? And what was that
agreement? It wasn't an agreement,per such. What actually happened was I
came forward. As soon as Icame forward, there was where I live
in Barcelona, there's quite a lotit's quite busy traffic with people. I
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came forward to Maureen Callahan. Iwanted to tell my story and I want
to run a campaign in which allthe girls that have been abused by Glen
and Jeffrey can come forward. AndI wanted to run a campaign with The
New York Post to get these girlsto have the courage to come forward,
because I know a lot of themare frightened, like myself. The email
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correspondence I with Maureen Callahan. Shewas going away or something, and she
was going to write a piece inThe New York Post about my story.
During that time, it was theelections, so there was a lot more
other things going on. There weretwo people following me. After I came
forward to Maureen Callahan. I wentto I walked downstairs, I walked around.
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I have a usual routine that Ido in the morning. I went
out. I saw the same twopeople. Later on that afternoon, I
saw the same two people again.I was frightened. I'm frightened for my
life, absolutely frightened. So thereyou go. So that's what I was.
Communication stopped between Maureen Callahan and I. I got really angry with Maureen
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because she had obviously told someone beingthe New York Post. So you know,
so you had an email to missCallahan and an email back from her.
Yes, more than one, yes, how any I can't remember more
than ten or less than ten,less than ten, And you had one
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phone call with her or more thanone, just one? And it lasted
about thirty minutes. About that Andwas that also on the cell phone you
got rid of? That was onmy partner's cell phone? And what had
you read in the press that causedyou to get in touch with miss Callahan?
Sigra mcaulay objection to form. Goahead, Sarah. You can read
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the article yourself. It's on thesixteenth of October. There's an article in
the New York Post written by MaureenCallahan. You can read it, and
that's what inspired me to come forward. What do you recall about that article?
Oh, I can't remember. Theone thing I do remember is the
last sentence of the article, whichis stuck with me and quite prominent,
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and that is, will we everknow the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's victims?
Do you recall anything else about thearticle? It's just the same.
When I read the article, thestuff that I had experienced myself with Jeffrey,
it's just same old stuff, justcontinuing. I thought he had stopped
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abusing girls. What do you recallreading an article that Jeffrey Epstein was doing?
I can't remember anything at all.You can read the article. I
can't remember. The question is whatyou remember? I can't remember. You
remember nothing else about the article?Cigarette asked an answered objection, Manager,
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except it was related to Jeffrey Epsteinand it ended with the sentence that you
described cigarette objection asked and answered Sarah, Yes, Manager, What do you
know about other girls being frightened?I know that the girls on the island
and in New York during my timewith Jeffrey and Gallayne that they were frightened.
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Okay, what are the names ofthose girls? Redacted? Redacted?
Redacted? I don't know her surname. I can't remember her surname. How
do you spell the first name?Redacted? Redacted? I'm just taking a
guess. Redacted. I'm guessing.I think gurgess. I'm going to remind
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the witness. I told her notto speculate, but that's okay. Manager.
In addition to redacted, redacted andredacted, what are the names of
the other girls who you believe arefrightened? Redacted? There were a couple
other girls I met during my timewith Gallaine and Jeffrey that were frightened.
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What were the names of the girlsthat you met that were frightened? There
was redacted, redacted, redacted redacted, And there were two other girls.
I can't remember their names. Okay, please describe them. The describe all
the girls or no, we're talkingabout the girls that you met on the
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island that you described as frightened.Okay, on the island, Gurgess objection.
You seem to be suggesting that allthose girls are from the island.
I'm not sure that's the testimony.Manager. All right, you said girls
on the island and in New Yorkwho were frightened. I asked you for
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their names. You gave me three. Correct. Yes, you said there
were two others? Correct? Whatdid those two other girls look like?
I can't really remember. One hadblonde hair, long blonde hair. Anything
else about that I can't remember.The other girl? Can you remember her
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hair color? No? I can'tremember. Do you know the height of
either one of them? No?I can't remember. Do you have a
photograph of either one of them?No? And where did you meet these
two other girls in New York?Where? In New York? I can't
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remember. You don't know the locationat all? No, it was ten
years ago. Was it in ahome or in a commercial setting? I
meet girls commercially and in home settings. Where did you meet those two other
girls you described as being frightened?I can't remember what is redacted's last name?
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I don't know what does redacted looklike? She's got long blonde hair?
How long? Long? Long hair? Longer than your hair? Now?
I think so. I think itwas longer so middle of her back?
I can't I can't remember on howlong her hair is. Where did
you meet redacted? I met redactedfirst in New York? Where in New
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York? I can't remember anywhere inNew York? You can't remember at all.
I can't remember the location. Wasit at mister Epstein's home? Gurgess
objection. You have asked her nowalmost twenty questions about where she met those
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girls, and she has consistently saidthat she does not remember. Manager Was
it in mister Epstein's home? No? Was it at a club? Gurgess?
Are we going to spend seven hourswith her saying I can't remember where
she met these two girls? Wasit at a club? One? Was
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at a club? Which one redacted? Redacted? Where did you meet redacted?
I first met redacted on the island. Did you meet her a second
time? Yes? Where? Didyou meet her the second time? I
can't remember state, can't remember country? Well us? Sorry? Can I
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have a break? I actually needto go to the bathroom? Sorry?
Manager, Yes, I don't thinkI have a question pending. We'll go
off the record now. Time notednine fifty two am recess and that's at
the top of page fifty. I'llbe back soon with more of this deposition.
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A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed socialite, and a billionaire
who may or may not have beenmurdered. Welcome to the world of the
Jeffrey Epstein, The Prince and thePervert podcast journalists Lisa and Jan bring you
the ultimate deep dive. Hello everyone, it's Jen here from The Prince and
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the Pervert. This is part oneof one of those unsealed documents from the
two thousand and fifteen onwards civil casethe Virginia Dufray brought against Galaine Maxwell for
defamation. First off, Sarah Ransom, another Epstein survivor. I'll be reading
out her deposition that she made inearly two thousand and seventeen. In this
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case, her deposition is four hundredand sixty nine pages long. So there's
going to be quite a few episodes, and it's probably best not played in
the car of there's children around.There are some true green things that are
talked about, and of course,just a reminder, Gallaine Maxwell settled this
defamation case. In other words,Virginia du free one. So let's get
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started, and apologies if I pronounceany names incorrectly. Page one, highly
confidential deposition of Sarah Ransom, NewYork, New York, Friday, fab
seventeenth, two thousand and seventeen,Page two. February seventeen, twenty seventeen,
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nine am. Deposition of Sarah Ransomheld at the offices of Boys,
Shriller and Flexner, five seventy fiveLexington Avenue, New York, New York,
before Jeremy Richman, a shorthand reporterand notary public of the State of
New York. Appearances Boys, Shrillerand Flexner l LP. Attorneys for the
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plaintiff that's Virginia by Sigrid Stone mcaulayEsquire, Haddon, Morgan and Foreman PC,
attorneys for defendant by Laura A.Manager Esquire and Jeremy S. Polluccia
which is spelled p A G.L i Uca, so I often refer
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to him as PAG. Appearances continued. J. Stanley Pottinger p LLC,
Attorneys for the witness which is Sarahby J. Stanley Pottinger Esquire. Mints
and Gold LP attorneys for the witnessby Peter Gergis Esquire also present Gallaine Maxwell
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via Teley conference page five. Itis hereby stipulated and agreed by and between
the attorneys for the respective parties hereinthat filing and Ceiling B, and the
same are hereby waived. It isfor the stipulated and agreed that all objections,
except as to form of the question, shall be reserved to the time
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of the trial. It is furtherstipulated and agreed that the within deposition may
be sworn to and signed before anyofficer authorized to a minister, an oath
with the same force and effect asif signed and sworn to before the court,
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Miss Manager. If we could havecounsel and to their appearances for the
record, please mister Gurgess sure.My name is Peter Gurgis. I'm appearing
on behalf of the witness today,Miss McAuley, Sigra McAuley on behalf of
Virginia Duffrey, the plaintiff in theaction, Mister Pottinger, Stan Pottinger on
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behalf of the witness, Miss Maninger, Laura Manager, and Jeffrey Polluccia on
behalf of me Smaxwell, who isappearing by telephone, Sarah Ranson, having
first been called as a witness,having first been duly sworn by a notary
public Brackets Jeremy Richmond close Brackets ofthe State of New York, was examined
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and testified as follows. Examination byMiss Meninger. Good morning, Miss Ransom,
good morning. Can you please giveus your full name, Sarah Emma
Ashley Ransom, and what is yourbirthdate? Sarah's answer is fully redacted?
And what is your current address?Gurgess, I'm going to object to current
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address? Meninger. You can answer, Gurgess. You can give your last
permanent address. Sarah answers, butit's all redacted brackets and off the record
discussion was held. Sarah answers again, which is completely redacted? Manager?
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And what does that mean? That'syour last permanent address? Sarah? I
reside there? Do you rent anapartment? My partner does? Who is
your partner? Gurgess, objection,Manager, who is your partner? The
witness? Do I have to answerthat? Gurgess? Yes, answer redacted
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redacted? Meninger, I'm sorry,Sarah, redacted, redacted? Manager?
How do you spell that last name? Answer? Redacted? Manager? And
how long has redacted been your partner? Gurgiess, I'm going to object.
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I'm not sure what the relevance ofthis is or where you're going with this,
Manager? How long has redacted beenyour partner? Sarah, Sorry,
can I just ask a question?I would like to just clarify. When
you say objection, does that meanI actually have to answer the question,
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because that's irrelevant, Gurgess. Right, unless I'm telling you not to answer,
you need to answer, Sarah,So I don't need to answer,
Gurgess. No, you do needto answer this. Okay, we've been
together almost a year. Manager,And what is your current occupation? I'm
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a writer. And what do youwrite? Just stuff, you know,
just about factual stuff, you know, just a bit of this, bit
of that. Have you been paidfor any of your writing? No,
it's more of a hobby. Really. Are you employed? No? Do
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you have any any source of income? My partner, Gurgess, I'm going
to object to that. Income isout. You don't have to answer that,
Manager, Do you have any sourceof income? Gurgess, I just
objected to that. You don't haveto answer, Manager. Is there a
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privilege you're asserting, Gurgess. I'mnot sure what the relevance is, and
I'm not going to allow. Manager. Do you believe that relevance is a
proper objection during a deposition? Gurgess, I believe that if you go far
afeel with this witness that the judgeis not going to appreciate it, and
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that I'm not going to just sithere and be a potted plant and allow
her to answer any questions on anysubject that you see fit. Manager,
on relevance, you're instructing her notto answer on a relevant subjection. Is
that what you're saying, Gurgess,I just objected, Miss McAuley. I'm
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going to object on behalf of theplaintiff, Virginia Duffrey, to the extent
that you're requesting from a non partyfinancial information, which is not allowed under
New York law. Manager, Ihave asked her whether she has any source
of income, and you're going toobject, Cigarett McAuley, Yes, Manager,
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and instruct her not to answer aswell. Cigarette, I'm not instructing
her not to answer. I'm justmaking a record, Gurgess. It's financial
information, manager, and whether shehas a financial motive is relevant. So
I'm going to ask you a lasttime do you have any source of income?
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Gurgess, I'm going to instruct youagain not to answer. Manager.
Has any of your writing been publishedby anyone? Sarah? No? Have
you sought to have your writing publishedby anyone. No, what is your
partner's occupation? Gurgess objection Macaulay objection, Gurgess, I'm going to object your
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same objection. Manager. If youare going to instruct the witness not to
answer, please say that contemporaneous withyour objection, because there are two different
things. There are objections and instructionsnot to answer. So are you instructing
her not to answer what her partner'soccupation is? Gurgess, right, same
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objection. I'm instructing the witness notto answer on the basis of both relevance
and because she's a third party nonI'm sorry, non party witness. Who
you are asking for financial information about? Manager? No, I ask for
an occupation Sigram McCauley. I'm goingto object that relates directly to financial information,
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so it's covered by the New Yorklaw with respect to non party witnesses.
Manager, what are the names ofyour parents Sarah's answer fully redacted?
How do you spell redacted? Answerredacted? And where do your parents live?
I'm not comfortable giving my mother's andmy father's addressed to you. Manager.
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Are you instructing her not to answer? Sigra McAuley, do you want
to confer, Gurgess, give mea moment on this, Sarah, we're
really well organized. Time noted ninetwenty one am. Recess time noted nine
twenty three am. Manager, MissRansom, there was a question pending when
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you took a break with your lawyers. Can you please answer the question,
Gurgess, I'm instructing the witness notto answer questions regarding current information about her
own location, her family's location,things of that nature. The witness has
expressed to me bears of harassment andthe belief that she's being followed, and
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my understanding is that there are otherwitnesses that have had similar fears and concerns.
And unless you make some sort ofproffer of the actual relevance of her
parents' addresses, wherever those are,I'm not going to have her answer.
Manager. Okay, where does thatunderstanding come from? Please, mister Gurgess.
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Mister Gurgess, where does your understandingcome from? You just made a
factual representation. I would like toknow where you're standing comes from. Gurgess.
Yeah, I'm not being deposed.I'm not going to answer your questions.
Manager, All right, Miss Ransom, did you agree to be a
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witness in the case of Dufray versusMaxwell. Yes? Did you voluntarily agree
to do that? Yes? Wereyou promised anything in exchange for your testimony
in the due Fray versus Maxwell case? No? Were you provided legal counsel?
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Sorry? Does that mean, Sigridyou have a lawyer? Yes,
Gurgess, Yes, Sarah, yes. Manager, Okay, how many lawyers
do you have? Now? Three? Manager? I would like the record
to reflect that the witness is checkingwith the lawyers to get answers to these
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questions. Pottinger, Wait, wait, wait, objection, Gurgess. There
is absolutely no exchange. No wordswere spoken by manager, mister Pottinger.
Did you put up a number offingers? Did you put up a number
of fingers? Mister Pottinger. Pottinger, you said, I'm going to object
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because the witness is answering these questionsin the plural, Manager, m Pottinger,
that is inaccurate. When she lookedat me to ask how many lawyers
she had, I said three withthree fingers. That is a single request
on her part and a single answer, not multiple. Manager. No,
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she has looked to her lawyers forprevious answers. We'll just make a record
as we go along, Thank you, Page nineteen. Sigra Macaulay, you
could have had a videotape here sothat we would have a record of that,
because I think your verbal record isinaccurate, So Pottinger, and in
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fact she this is mister Pottinger speaking, And in fact she has not looked
at me during this deposition except onetime, which was for what I took
to be a request to know howmany lawyers she has? Manager, So
are you being deposed mister Pottinger?Pottinger, I am not manager, Miss
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Rancer. How many lawyers do youthink you have? Three? Can you
please name them? Peter, SIGRedand Stan. Is mister Bradley Edwards representing
you? Yes? Is mister PaulCastle representing you? Know? Is mister
David Boys representing you? Yes?Secret Macaulay. I just want to be
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clear for the record if you're talkingabout representing generally or you're talking about a
particular matter, because we have acouple of matters. Manager, I'm asking
questions here, Sigared, No,I understand that you have to make the
record clear. Manager, Miss McAuley. If you want to ask her questions
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later, you are more than welcometo do. So, I am going
to ask questions the witness I amdeposing cigarette. Well, we want the
record to be clear that there aremore than one action. Manager. You
can ask questions when you're doing yourquestioning. I'm doing my questioning now,
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and so I will ask the questions, SIGRed. I'm going to object.
The record should be clear there ismore than one action pending here. She
is represented here as a non partywitness, and she also has her own
action pending. Pag. Thank youfor that speaking objection, miss McAuley and
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communicating that information to the witness,which you know is totally improper. Cigarette.
Now that's two people objecting right now. Is it going to be Laura
taking this deposition or you? Jeff? You guys have done this to me
before, and it's not a positionwhere you're allowed to object and she's allowed
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to object. You guys pulled thatat the last deposition, So please do
not do this here, Pag.I was just thanking you, Manager,
all right. So the number oflawyers we're up to so far is Gurgus
McAuley, Pottinger, Edwards, boys. That's five, correct, Sarah?
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Can I just ask you a question? No, you cannot Okay, are
those five lawyers that are representing you? Gurgess objection, Yes or no?
Yes? All right? Anyone elserepresenting you? No? Miss Schultz?
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Is Miss Meredith Schultz representing you?No? How much are you paying for
any of these lawyers? It's ona pro bono basis. Do you know
what each of those lawyers normal hourlyrates are? No? Do you know
how many hours you have spent withyour attorneys? No, Gurgess objection.
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How many hours have you spent withmister Gurgess Gurgess Objection Manager without communicating to
me any information you and he haveshared? Sarah? A few? Maybe?
How many? About eleven hours intotal? When is the first time
that you met mister Gurgess Gurgess objection, Cigarette You can answer, Gurgess,
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You can answer Sarah yesterday. Manager, you met mister Gurgess yesterday? Was
that your answer? Yes? Andwho is paying for mister Gurgess's fees?
If you know, I have apro bono arrangement. Do you know if
he's receiving money from anyone else inexchange for representing you? No, No,
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you don't know, or no,he is not. I don't know
how many hours have you spent withmiss McAuley. Can I just clarify that
question? Does that mean on thephone, Like, what are you referring
to in person or either one?How many hours? How much time have
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you spent with miss McCauley in person? I met Miss pauley for the first
time in person yesterday, but i'vespent Yeah, we've been. Miss McAuley
was the first person I actually spoketo. And how many hours have you
spent with her on the phone?Many? Many hours? Approximately? How
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many? I don't know five Gurgessobjection more than five? Ten Gurgess objection,
manager ten, well, ten,fifteen. She's been with me the
whole way since when I came forward, So she's been a very prominent person.
And when did you first speak withher on the phone? I think
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it was without telling me what yousaid, I think it was November November.
What I can't remember the day,early November, late November. Gurgess
objection. I can't remember she speakingto you on your cell phone or a
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landline, cell phone, a mobilenumber or a landline a cell phone?
Okay? And what's that cell phonenumber? I don't have it anymore,
that's okay. What's the cell phonenumber. I actually don't know. I
can't remember my cell phone number.I don't have anything with me, so
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I can't remember that number offhand.How long did you have that cell phone?
About eight months? What happened toit? I got rid of it?
Why? Because I fear for mylife because of Jeffrey Epstein and Colaine
Maxwell. What did you do withit? I sold it? When November?
Before or after? You first spokewith miss McAuley before? So,
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then, how did you speak withmiss McCauley over the phone on my partner's
cell phone? What's his cell phonenumber? Cigarette objection? What's the relevance
of her partner's cell phone? Again? This is irrelevant, it's harassing.
It's you're seeking information to be ableto The witness has already expressed fear about
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her people currently going after her,so we would object to that intimidation of
a non party witness. Manager.What is your partner's cell phone number?
Gurgess, I'm directing the witness notto answer. How many hours have you
spent talking with mister Pottinger. I'vebeen speaking to mister Pottinger from November.
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When in November? I can't rememberon your same cell phone that you got
rid of. No, on mypartner's cell phone. And when did you
first meet mister Pottinger in person?It was in the beginning of January.
And where was that meeting? Barcelona? Where in Barcelona? Barcelona? It's
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Barcelona we meet. I can't rememberthe area. In a restaurant, in
a hotel, in an office ina hotel. And how long did you
spend with mister Pottinger on that occasion? Two days? How many hours over
the two days? Gosh, aboutsixteen? How many hours did you spend
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with mister Edwards cigarette objection, Thesame amount he was with mister Pottinger.
Yeah. Yes. And mister Boys, how much time have you spent with
mister Boys. I haven't spent anytime with him yet. Have you met
him No? Have you spoken tohim on the phone? No? And
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you have not paid any money forany of these lawyers time? Correct?
Yes, in addition to your freelegal counsel, were you given anything else
in exchange for your agreement to bea witness in this case? Gurgess objection.
No. Did you fly over hereyes? From Barcelona? Yes?
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Did you pay for the plane ticket? Yes? How much was the plane
ticket it was. I think itwas a thousand. It was a thousand,
I can't remember the exact total.Has anyone agreed to reimburse you for
that? No, and you're stayingwhere while you're here? Gurgess objection and
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direct you not to answer that.Manager. Are you staying in a hotel
while you're here? Gurgess, youcan answer that, Sarah, Yeah,
are you paying for that? Curgiessobjection, and I'm directing you not to
answer. SIGRed you can answer,Gurgess. I think you can answer,
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Sigrid. Yeah, I think youcan answer Gurgess. That's fine. I
agree. Cigarette. You're a nonparty witness. You can answer that question.
Manager. Who is cigarette? Iam representing Virginia. He is representing
the witness. Manager. Well,you're representing the witnesses. Well, right,
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Sigaret, I'm not manager. Welldid you just tell her she can
answer a question, Sigret, Idid, manager? Are you paying for
the hotel? Sarah? No,who's paying for the hotel? It's on
expenses. I think of a witness. It's expenses from Yeah, I don't
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know. Actually you don't know whois paying for your hotel? No,
it's not you. No, andhow much per night is your hotel?
I have no idea. How longare you staying here on this trip?
Just for the deposition, Okay,when did you arrive? It was Tuesday,
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late Tuesday night. And when areyou leaving tomorrow evening? In addition
to your legal counsel and your hotel? Is there anything else you've been given
in exchange for your no to bea witness in this case? You have
to wait for me to finish myquestion before you answer. Sorry, have
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you been given anything else? No? Have you been promised anything else?
No? Have you been promised thatyou would have counsel to help you bring
a lawsuit against a number of people? Cigaret objection To the extent this gets
into attorney client privileged information, you'renot allowed to answer. Manager. Have
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your lawyers agreed to bring a lawsuiton your behalf against a number of people?
Yes? And are you paying forthat counsel? No? Have you
reached any agreement about a contingency feefor that case? Can you explain what
contingency means? Sorry? Do youexpect to receive money as a result of
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that lawsuit? Oh? No,No, you're not asking to receive any
money as a result of that lawsuit. No, No, all right.
So have you had any agreements regardingwriting a book? No? About your
experience. You have to wait forme to finish my question. Have you
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had any agreements with your lawyers aboutmedia rights in any form? Gurgess objection
to the extent that you're asking aboutcommunications with the attorneys, Manager, I'm
asking about her arrangement with her attorneys, which is not privileged. Sarah.
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Can you please repeat the question,manager? Have you reached any agreement with
your attorneys regarding media rights for yourstory? No? Have you talked to
anyone about publishing anything related to yourstory? Can you repeat the question please?
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Manager? Can you read it back? Brackets requested. Portion of the
record was read back, Sarah,Yes, I have. Who have you
spoken to the New York Post?Who at the New York Post? Maureen
Callahan? And when did you speakwith her? I think it was later
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October. Have you spoken with hersince? No? And how long did
you speak to her? I spoketo her, for gosh, about thirty
minutes on the phone once. Andwhat was that? What did you tell
her in your phone call? Itold her what Jeffrey Epstein and Colaine Maxwell
did to me and the other girls. Did she give you any money in
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exchange for that interview? No?Did she publish anything related to that interview?
No? How did you get intouch with miss Callahan? I emailed
after I read an article that shehad written about Jeffrey Epstein, and the
last sentence was it was on thesixteenth of October, And one of the
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last sentences I remember was will weever know the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's
victims? And I wrote her afterthat, because well it still continues,
doesn't it. Where is the emailthat you wrote her? It's on my
computer, okay, in your yahhoaccount. Yes. Did you have any
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agreement with her to have an additionalconversation? Yes? And what was that
agreement? It wasn't an agreement,per such. What actually happened was I
came forward. As soon as Icame forward, there was where I live
in Barcelona, there's quite a lotit's quite busy traffic with people. I
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came forward to Maureen Callahan. Iwanted to tell my story and I want
to run a campaign in which allthe girls that have been abused by Glen
and Jeffrey can come forward. AndI wanted to run a campaign with The
New York Post to get these girlsto have the courage to come forward,
because I know a lot of themare frightened, like myself. The email
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correspondence I with Maureen Callahan. Shewas going away or something, and she
was going to write a piece inThe New York Post about my story.
During that time, it was theelections, so there was a lot more
other things going on. There weretwo people following me. After I came
forward to Maureen Callahan. I wentto I walked downstairs, I walked around.
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I have a usual routine that Ido in the morning. I went
out. I saw the same twopeople. Later on that afternoon, I
saw the same two people again.I was frightened. I'm frightened for my
life, absolutely frightened. So thereyou go. So that's what I was.
Communication stopped between Maureen Callahan and I. I got really angry with Maureen
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because she had obviously told someone beingthe New York Post. So you know,
so you had an email to missCallahan and an email back from her.
Yes, more than one, yes, how any I can't remember more
than ten or less than ten,less than ten, And you had one
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phone call with her or more thanone, just one? And it lasted
about thirty minutes. About that Andwas that also on the cell phone you
got rid of? That was onmy partner's cell phone? And what had
you read in the press that causedyou to get in touch with miss Callahan?
Sigra mcaulay objection to form. Goahead, Sarah. You can read
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the article yourself. It's on thesixteenth of October. There's an article in
the New York Post written by MaureenCallahan. You can read it, and
that's what inspired me to come forward. What do you recall about that article?
Oh, I can't remember. Theone thing I do remember is the
last sentence of the article, whichis stuck with me and quite prominent,
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and that is, will we everknow the true extent of Jeffrey Epstein's victims?
Do you recall anything else about thearticle? It's just the same.
When I read the article, thestuff that I had experienced myself with Jeffrey,
it's just same old stuff, justcontinuing. I thought he had stopped
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abusing girls. What do you recallreading an article that Jeffrey Epstein was doing?
I can't remember anything at all.You can read the article. I
can't remember. The question is whatyou remember? I can't remember. You
remember nothing else about the article?Cigarette asked an answered objection, Manager,
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except it was related to Jeffrey Epsteinand it ended with the sentence that you
described cigarette objection asked and answered Sarah, Yes, Manager, What do you
know about other girls being frightened?I know that the girls on the island
and in New York during my timewith Jeffrey and Gallayne that they were frightened.
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Okay, what are the names ofthose girls? Redacted? Redacted?
Redacted? I don't know her surname. I can't remember her surname. How
do you spell the first name?Redacted? Redacted? I'm just taking a
guess. Redacted. I'm guessing.I think gurgess. I'm going to remind
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the witness. I told her notto speculate, but that's okay. Manager.
In addition to redacted, redacted andredacted, what are the names of
the other girls who you believe arefrightened? Redacted? There were a couple
other girls I met during my timewith Gallaine and Jeffrey that were frightened.
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What were the names of the girlsthat you met that were frightened? There
was redacted, redacted, redacted redacted, And there were two other girls.
I can't remember their names. Okay, please describe them. The describe all
the girls or no, we're talkingabout the girls that you met on the
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island that you described as frightened.Okay, on the island, Gurgess objection.
You seem to be suggesting that allthose girls are from the island.
I'm not sure that's the testimony.Manager. All right, you said girls
on the island and in New Yorkwho were frightened. I asked you for
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their names. You gave me three. Correct. Yes, you said there
were two others? Correct? Whatdid those two other girls look like?
I can't really remember. One hadblonde hair, long blonde hair. Anything
else about that I can't remember.The other girl? Can you remember her
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hair color? No? I can'tremember. Do you know the height of
either one of them? No?I can't remember. Do you have a
photograph of either one of them?No? And where did you meet these
two other girls in New York?Where? In New York? I can't
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remember. You don't know the locationat all? No, it was ten
years ago. Was it in ahome or in a commercial setting? I
meet girls commercially and in home settings. Where did you meet those two other
girls you described as being frightened?I can't remember what is redacted's last name?
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I don't know what does redacted looklike? She's got long blonde hair?
How long? Long? Long hair? Longer than your hair? Now?
I think so. I think itwas longer so middle of her back?
I can't I can't remember on howlong her hair is. Where did
you meet redacted? I met redactedfirst in New York? Where in New
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York? I can't remember anywhere inNew York? You can't remember at all.
I can't remember the location. Wasit at mister Epstein's home? Gurgess
objection. You have asked her nowalmost twenty questions about where she met those
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girls, and she has consistently saidthat she does not remember. Manager Was
it in mister Epstein's home? No? Was it at a club? Gurgess?
Are we going to spend seven hourswith her saying I can't remember where
she met these two girls? Wasit at a club? One? Was
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at a club? Which one redacted? Redacted? Where did you meet redacted?
I first met redacted on the island. Did you meet her a second
time? Yes? Where? Didyou meet her the second time? I
can't remember state, can't remember country? Well us? Sorry? Can I
(37:22):
have a break? I actually needto go to the bathroom? Sorry?
Manager, Yes, I don't thinkI have a question pending. We'll go
off the record now. Time notednine fifty two am recess and that's at
the top of page fifty. I'llbe back soon with more of this deposition.
(37:46):
Hi, it's Lisa here. Doyou want to help us produce the
Prince in the Pervert podcast. Oneof our kind listeners has been asking how
they can support us, so we'vestarted a Patreon account, which not only
benefits you in terms of extra contentand exclusive content, it also helps us
(38:06):
just cover our costs at the endof the day. This is a labor
of love and we're determined to followthe case until the end. These women
absolutely matter. That's why we're doingthis work and we are all in this
together. Details of the Patreon accountare in the show notes. Thank you.
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