Exposed: Ghislaine Maxwell’s Family Finances

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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed socialite, and a billionaire
who may or may not have beenmurdered. Welcome to the world of the
Jeffrey Epstein. The Prince and thePervert podcast journalists Lisa and Jan bring you
the ultimate deep dive. Hello andwelcome to The Prince and the Pervert Podcast.

(00:25):
My name is Lisa Tate and I'mJen Taran. So it has been
frantic lately in epstein Land, andJen, you've been recording and researching.
Tell us what you've been doing.Well, hopefully you've all listened to the
episode we've just dropped before this one, because it outlines two special documents.

(00:49):
There's Documents six six two, whichis Gallain Maxwell's rebuttal of the Government and
the Parole boards pre sentencing report.Now neither of those will be docketed,
well they haven't at the time ofrecording anyway, So Documents six six two
gives you a bit of an insightto what both the government and the Parole

(01:11):
Board are asking for in terms oflength of sentence. And of course,
then I cover six six three,which everybody was talking about late last week.
It's their submission to the court abouthow she should only really get four
years and three months with a maximumof five years and three months. I

(01:32):
don't think that's going to happen.They may be disappointed. Again, let's
hope I covered the actual submission report. What have you got to say about
all those letters of support. Well, firstly, we're all blaming Daddy for
what's happened with the lane and thesex trafficking. Oh that's ridiculous. Yeah,

(01:52):
they're saying that he was a massivenarcissist who took the Lane quote under
his wing. So that's why shewas suscept bull to Epstein. I call
bull on that one. So we'llgo into that in a second. The
other thing is Galline's best friend.There has not been a letter from her
now. Her name is Ariadne CarvoPlatero and they met when Glene was young

(02:15):
in the UK. This photos ofthem back in the day socializing off at
Oxford and they're very good friends.She lives in the US now. I
didn't see anything from her on thedocket and I haven't seen her at court
yet. And the Maxwell's have saidthey were having a lot of trouble getting
people to support her. They claimGallaine is being canceled. I think it's

(02:37):
that her friends, a lot ofthem would be absolutely disappointed and they feel
betrayed. Well, she would havetried to hide it from her family and
friends as much as possible, becausehell, she would have known it was
wrong. Sen Do you remember thatDaily Mail article we found a while ago
about isabel Maxwell going to Epstein's islandand allegedly know if this is true,

(03:00):
but there was a third party therethat Epstein wanted to use to bug people.
Do you recall that one? Andwhat Isabelle said, And it was
during that conference they had with herex husband slash boyfriend who died off the
cliff in France. She said too, this gentleman along the lines of allegedly
that Gallaine was recruiting for Epstein.There's so many little bits and pieces like

(03:23):
this conjecture. Yeah, conjecture that'sfloating around out there. But I think
a lot of people are really disappointedin her. I have read Elizabeth Maxwell,
that's Betty Maxwell, Gallaine's mother.I've read her book about four times
and it's called A Mind of myOwn. Oh and it's all about Betty,
I'll tell you what. And it'sfascinating because I want to talk to

(03:46):
you about this whole perception that Daddymade her do it. Now, when
was this book published nineteen ninety six? Okay, so there'd been the scandal
Boba died and was well known thatGallaine was hanging around Epstein at this stage.
Yes, indeed, so it's goodthat we put it in that context.

(04:09):
But I want to go back abit further, because there were signs
Gallaine was headed for trouble from anearly age. Now they're saying this with
Epstein is an aberration that she didn'tallegedly get involved in anything else that was
illegal with her other partners. There'sa mogul called Ted Waite and Scott Borgison,
who is the how do we describeScottie Scotti the borg Well, he's

(04:31):
now going out with a journalist slashyoga teacher who, according to The Daily
Fail, you can crack walnuts onher ass. I love saying that.
I'm sorry. Now, that's allright, say it, it's fine,
you're at mugs friends, Jen.I just want to go back just a
little bit. He had something todo with cargo metrics, didn't he He

(04:51):
was a shipping expert. Yes,so there you go. So they said
that there were no problems there,that she was part of functional relations and
chips and she adored their children.See, I have a theory that no
one else has, okay, andit is that Glene's not that smart.
No, she's not. Okay,good, I'm glad you agree. Well,

(05:11):
I believe that she's been leading herlegal team. Yes, look,
she's got a strong personality and she'sgot charisma, but she's not smart.
And I think the problem is wesee time and time again it's Maxwell's arrogance
and she thinks she should be treateddifferently to the rest of us. The
laws don't apply. So this isan absolutely chilling sliding doors moment. Now,

(05:35):
does everyone know what I mean bythat sliding doors? It's like two
things on the same day. They'reminor, but they have totally different outcomes.
And what Elizabeth Maxwell says in herbook was when Glene was quite tiny,
her school headmaster said she had lowintelligence, was disruptive and needed psychotherapy.

(05:58):
And the wife of media frauds toRobert Maxwell, accounts it breezily and
it's like she's just ordering a pizza. Oh well, so we sent her
off to another school where they saidshe was very intelligent academically gifted. How
do you go from low IQ toacademically gifted and needing to see a psychotherapist?
Jen, It's possible. I supposeshe did start seeking attention by behaving

(06:23):
badly at school and letting her workdeteriorate her head master. Although a distinguished
philosopher, Jen had a poor understandingof the psychology of small children. Her
conclusion was that Glene was not verybright, and because she was also a
disruptive influence, she recommended we removedher from the school. She got kicked
out as a little tiny thing.So was Glene like an Escha before they

(06:47):
were eschs? Oh, perhaps Iwonder she was a goth or a punk.
No, it's all about the moneyand working for daddy. Back then,
what Betty does. She takes Gleneto a specialist at Oxford who conducted
a series of tests confirming that shewas highly intelligent and clearly giving poor results

(07:09):
at school because it was the wrongtype of school. Well, she went
to four different schools in her lifetime, all around that Oxford area, so
it's not a case of they movedcities or locations, therefore forcing a new
school sounds like they were school shoppingexactly. So I think it's a chilling
tale of an opportunity lost to savethe youngster from her fate, because maybe

(07:31):
with the psychotherapy could have made hera little bit more robust, because her
sister Anne has been doing psychotherapy andshe's now a psychotherapist herself. She refers
to it in her letter to thecourt. And moreover, I suppose if
you're listening, you'd be aware thatwhen Gallaine was younger, the family said
she had anorexia because she was ignoredfor the first three years of her life

(07:55):
after her brother died well, hehad an accident the day after her birthday
and he was on life support foryears. See. I find it interesting
that all this bad stuff, exceptfor one incident, has been mined from
Betty's book. Yes, have thefamily used Betty's book as an excuse for

(08:16):
Galaine? And then you have tolook at why did Betty write this book?
What was her motivation? Speaking ofBetty, what did she do after
she went on a big overseas trip, She went and visited the Sun on
life support rather than going home toher other children. Now that's mentioned in
the book that Gallaine didn't get enoughcontact from her mum, and I'm surprised

(08:39):
there's not more blame laid at Betty'sfeet. Now. I say this because
I spoke to Laura Goldman, whois a journalist who has a relationship with
the Maxwell family, and she toldme it was Betty who beat down Gallaine's
spirit. Isn't that interesting? See, that's what I think about Betty's book.
It was her chance to write,her effortaph set the records straight so

(09:01):
when she died people didn't think shewas behind all the scandal in the family.
She wrote it after her husband died, the mirror pension fun went missing,
the boys were in bankruptcy court,and Galaine was running around with a
sex offender. So I think herbook was her trying to shift blame and
blame Bob for everything. Yes,Bob has been blamed for everything, and

(09:24):
I'm surprised they didn't make him lookmore ghoulish. For instance, that whole
thing about him hitting her hand witha hammer, which I talked about in
the last episode. Bob was abig man. If he was there with
a hammer and whacked her on thehand, it wouldn't have been bruised.
It would have been broken. Indeed, we'll never really know what went on

(09:46):
in the Maxwell family, but wecan get some idea. This is obviously
a primary source we've got here fromBetty. The historian Ben MacIntyre, his
sister was childhood friends with Galaine,and he tells the story that quote Glene
was envied, admired teas for hermoney and mocked for her slow reading.
And that's in an article for airmail. And while Gallayne did attend prestigious Oxford

(10:11):
University. Now these are my words. The consensus is that father Robert Maxwell
had bought her spot. McIntyre toldhow Robert Maxwell would invite school friends to
the family's home of Heddington Hill Hall. Did you know it's now like a
lecture center for the University of Oxford. No, he would make her friends

(10:31):
and Galline take part in reading competitions. However good the other girls were,
he declared Gallaine the winner every time. McIntyre wrote, that doesn't sound like
a monster. It sounds like hewas trying to encourage her. Yes,
that sounds completely different to everything shehas said, her team has said,
her siblings have said, and Mummywrote in the book, I think if

(10:54):
anything. Bob was the one whowas pushing her up, giving her a
good, solid bass like you arethe best, You are the best.
It's not decent parenting, but it'snot abusive in the way the family is
trying to portray it. Now.Look, I know Robert Maxwell was not
an easy man, but I rejectthe assumption that he forced her into Epstein's

(11:15):
clutches exactly. And then there's thebig lie that after the father died,
she was just right for the pickingwith Epstein. Okay, well, Maxwell
family, how then is it thatwe saw Gallaine's name on Epstein flight logs
before Robert Maxwell died? As Isaid in the last episode, were we

(11:37):
all at the same trial, becauseit seems her legal team missed huge bits
of evidence. Well, also,she was living in New York when her
father died exactly, so this mythJanet must be corrected. But as much
as the legal team protests now beforethe sentencing on June twenty eight, it's

(11:58):
hard to find anyone who now believesher tale of woe except for her family
and her lawyers, and a lotof people are just avoiding her. And
wasn't there gen one person who refusedto go to the trial, the criminal
trial. Well, she said shehad a massive list of witnesses and one
of them, Kelly Bevino, whowas an employee, refused to turn up

(12:18):
and Gallayne's team were carrying on aboutarresting her and all this other crap.
But she wasn't the only one thatrefused to turn up. Also, they
want her arrested, do they That'sinteresting, and they want Kelen arrested.
They want everybody arrested. Oh sodid Sarah Kelen make her do it as
well? Obviously? You know,come on, guys, there's a writer,

(12:41):
Anna Pasternak, and you may haveseen her on some of the documentaries.
She went to Oxford and moved inthe same social circles as Gallaine,
and she said it was very clearto me as an undergraduate that she was
interest in power and money. Now, Anna was in the Peacocks series and
she was the only one who justbasically said this was Goalline, there's no

(13:05):
excuses. Everybody else, especially LadyVictoria, was giving her a way out
in a way. So, LadyVictoria Harvey is Gleane's friend and Andrew's ex
girlfriend, and she has been reallyattacking Virginia on Instagram in a terrible way,
and her quote about the trial andthe fourth survivors was, there was

(13:26):
nothing to see here, So whatGlene grabbed someone on the tit appalling.
She was in those same documentaries,you know, but she wasn't as outspoken
as she is now. No,in that series. In the Peacock one,
she was all like, oh,you know, she was great,
it was fun. I had noidea. But then she's coming out and

(13:46):
saying, Virginia faked the photo.Virginia did this. They're all that victim
blaming, survivor shaming, but yetAnna basically said it how it was.
Anna copped a bit of backlash thoughfor that probably would have from the posh
people. Yes, Anna says shewas one of those people at parties who
always looked over his shoulder to seeif there was someone more powerful or more

(14:09):
interesting while she was air kissing you. We've all know those, don't we
We all know those types. They'rerelying on the so called evidence of Betty's
book when it's really hearsay, andwe believe it's Betty rewriting her history.
Yes, so we do believe theyare relying on Betty's book as a one

(14:31):
hundred percent record of what went onwhen Gallaine was younger before ninety six.
Yes, and I believe that Betty'sbook was her trying to set her history
straight so she wasn't blamed for anythingto do with the pension fund. Remember,
she even asked where her pension wasand complained about having no money.
So her husband ran off with fourhundred million from those pension funds and he

(14:56):
rapped up billions of debt. Butwhere is it? Well, you might
have a clue. I do,but I just need to say from the
outset, the Maxwell family has noidea about any crimes that Gallaine did,
and certainly any of the thefts thata father did. Is that right?
That's what they are consistently saying,Well, I'm going to talk about something

(15:18):
now that they have no unaided recollectionof jen I think that's a fancy way
of saying I don't remember or nocomment. A major investigation is exposing how
at least two Maxwell family members andlong time associates put their fortune into a
complex web of offshore corporate and trustnetworks. Now the Maxwells say they do

(15:41):
not know where their father's money went, So that's important to say, but
it's something that's fascinated me. JenWhere did those billions go? And I'm
convinced Jeffrey Epstein was involved in itsomehow, absolutely, and that's another reason
why Gallaine hung around him. Shemight have even been sent by the Emily
to keep an eye on the money. I think also it was a reason

(16:03):
why Epstein kept her around. Workedboth ways. It did, so it
wasn't just that they're in love andthey had a relationship. Think towards the
end she was pretty sick of himand he was pretty sick of her,
Like we can tell from what someof the staff were told in Florida by
Glenn that she's just sick of Jeffrey, and how Jeffrey told staff to get

(16:26):
rid of all her photos when hehad other women round. So the Independent
wrote something amazing about the Maxwell pensionfunds and what a pension fund is.
It's like payment that you use inyour retirement and he was meant to be
keeping it aside in trust for theemployees of the Mirror Newspaper Group, or

(16:47):
the Maxwell Communications Group as it wasalso called. So the Independent wrote,
while we're about it, perhaps someonecould answer MP Frankfield's conundrum. How did
the billions in Robert Maxwell's mirror grouppension fund moved themselves from one place to
the other. Was it a secularmiracle? Maybe the pension funds were sentient.

(17:08):
Yes, perhaps they are. Weknow the story that Gallaine was ordering
staff to shred things just after RobertMaxwell had died. When I say things,
it was on his boat where hedied. She had a shred her
out and she's been very determined toget everything shredded. There must be a
reason, absolutely, even though inthe documents from the previous episode they talk

(17:32):
about how the brothers were the oneswho took on everything after Daddy died.
Yeah, there she was with theshredder. At one point she turned up
with thirty thousand dollars from the UKfrom Kevin and Ian just to settle things
with the boat, because it reallywas getting to a tipping point before Robert
Maxwell died. Not even the staffon the boat we're getting paid properly,

(17:56):
and Betty Maxwell had to give themlike ten thousand US dollars just to tide
it over until Galaine turned up withthat money. You don't really hear of
that in other families. Do youno, I'd say, I'll give you
thirty bucks. You can go downto the hot bread shop and get us
a loaf of bread, but notthirty thousand US dollars. Fascinating. So

(18:18):
obviously the report came out from aconsortium of journalists last week and the Miami
Herald, and it's about a trustout of the Channel Island of Jersey.
It's a UK territory Jersey. Ijust wanted to point out something that might
be causing the Maxwell's issues when itcomes to responding to the complaints, because
did you know in a court actionin the two thousands, Kevin Maxwell said

(18:41):
he had a policy of deleting allemails and destroying all documents. It's quote,
it is not my policy to storecopies of emails in electronic form beyond
the duration of the project to whichthey refer, he said. And this
was in the Independent. So that'swhy he can't reck elect or can't remember.

(19:02):
So we'd like to help you,Kevin, maybe you should start keeping
records because the memories not as goodas it once was. Perhaps, so
there's this defunct trust in Jersey calledLahove, and the documents were discovered relating
to the trust in an abandoned squashcourt Jen. Documents from the file suggest
a trust appears to have been workingon behalf of Kevin and Ian Maxwell's so

(19:26):
they may not know about it.They may have entrusted it to a third
party. This trust engaged in suspicioustrading activities, in particular relating to the
family's telecommunications company, Telemond, whichI have been obsessed about for a very
long time. When I found outthat their first job after bankruptcy was starting

(19:48):
up a telecommunications firm, I wasdead. Jen. Absolutely, millions of
dollars moved through questionable related party transactionsveiled by offshore companies, so we're look
at fake companies essentially, Experts said. Many of the transactions outlined in the
leak files have red flags, sothey're indicative of alleged fraud. So the

(20:11):
LAHOGE files show Kevin and Ian clandestinelymoving millions of dollars to offshore accounts after
their father's death bomb Boom. Sothis is from the nineteen nineties until the
mid two thousands, and Lahog wasdoing this up until about two thousand and
eight. But the fascinating thing isthe family were and it wasn't just Kevin

(20:34):
and Ian, but they were transactionsdeposits to members of Maxwell family, including
Galaine. So when Galaine Maxwell's legalteam keeps pointing out that she's not an
heiress, that's possibly a bit ofa stretch. William K. Black is
a law professor at the University ofMissouri, and he reviewed the documents and

(20:56):
the transactions, and he said therewere signs of potential tax evasion and fraud
through transactions involving stock from publicly tradedcompanies and warned the involvement of multi family
members in the transactions was a redflag. So the Maxwells are saying,
in relation to the Miami Herald andthe Consortium of journalists, neither I nor

(21:17):
my brother Kevin, to whom Ihave spoken, have any unaided recollection of
a company called Lahogue, and certainlywere not involved as investors, shareholders,
directors, agents, or representatives ofthat company. Wow. So when the
money turned up into their various accounts, they must have been so surprised.
The League files offer a rare glimpseinto how Kevin and Ian Maxwell conducted business

(21:41):
through opaque shell companies. And didyou know the documents after they were discovered
jen in the squash court. Theywere handed over to police in two thousand
and fifteen and nothing was done.See that there itself needs to be looked
at closely. So the brothers werecharged but found not guilty in nineteen ninety

(22:02):
six of misusing one hundred and twentytwo million pounds in shares belonging to the
Maxwell company pension funds in loans fromNational Westminster Bank. It's interesting how when
you come across these types of thingsthere's always random regional banks involved. So
Telemond is at the center of theallegations, and it was one of the

(22:25):
first entities, as I said earlier, established by the Maxwell family. After
the pension scandal, I had tolook at their listing documents in the US
and in nineteen ninety nine, Telemondwas an international communications company that is creating
a global network which will connect developedcountries and regional centers in emerging markets.

(22:45):
So interestingly, they were working throughoutAfrica, Russia, all throughout Eastern Europe
because at that time the nineties wasjust bubbling away with bits of former Russian
state infrastructure for sale, smashing grabmarket. Not that I'm saying the Maxwell's
did it there was a lot ofliquidity at the time in Eastern Europe,

(23:07):
and I am convinced that Robert Maxwellwas a money launderer, primarily the media
companies. They were just street dressing. So Maxwell helped the communist leadership of
Bulgaria to transfer about two billion dollarsin foreign currency out of Bulgaria. Who'd
be interested in something like that?Then someone in America, Gen, I

(23:29):
wonder, So the Guardian found classifieddocuments that approve the formation of this so
called joint venture. The best predictorof future behavior, gen, is past
behavior. Would you agree? Certainly? If you're interested in this. There
will be more on the website JeffreyEpstein podcast dot com. Now, while

(23:49):
we're in Europe, we're going tohop over to the UK and talk about
him. Bear with the sorehead PrinceAndrew. Apparently he's very upset with Prince
William and Prince Charles for clipping hiswings. They don't want to be seen
with him. No, and hewasn't allowed to go to the Ascot horse
race, and they made a bigdeal about his daughter's going though, did

(24:11):
they. I didn't see that ahorse shied on Beatrice or something. Weird
like that. There's been a lotof dead cats, especially with Camilla.
Lots of headlines with Camilla these days, how good she is, obviously or
set to distract people from Prince Andrew. Yes, but we'll keep talking about
him. Apparently he's looking forward toa showdown with his nephew and his brother,

(24:34):
Prince Charles when they all go ontheir summer holiday in Scotland. Bale
morel oh. When Fergie's also beenout saying that he was the most honorable
man and she'd remarry him in aheartbeat. No one listens to her anymore.
No one cares Fergie. I amtotally done with Andrew. So thank
you so much for listening to ustoday. My name's Lisa Tate. You

(24:57):
can find me at Lisa Podcasts andJen's at are really truly and don't forget.
We're gearing up for June twenty eightat eleven am New York time when
that sentence comes down. Yes forGallayne. So if you'd like to support
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(25:19):
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but for the moment we'll leave youin the hands of Gustain, our

(25:42):
middle age intern with a fake Oxfordaccent. So everyone stay safe. Bye.
So everyone's in a tizzy about GillayneMaxwell's sentencing. The Parole Board says
twenty years, the government says twentyfour, and she's demanding four years and

(26:02):
three months. Well, in mynot so humble opinion, that bitch needs
at least fifty years, because quitefrankly, I've been stuck in this bloody
laundry for what is it, almostthree years. She deserves more time than
that, and she thinks her conditionsare bad. She's got nothing on my
confinement, nothing at all. Isuppose I should thank some of you patreons,

(26:29):
but none of you have organized myairfares out of this place anyway.
No thanks to Sally joodle Bugs,Mountene, Nancy, Christina Oxenburg, send
me some money. Nicole L.Presidente and Diane and the rest of you
can all go to Hell as always. Bugger off. Hi, it's Lisa

(26:52):
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(27:15):
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