June 29, 2022 • 17 mins
Take a seat, Ghislaine Maxwell, you have a long ride ahead of you. Twenty years, to be precise.
It’s time for the survivors, such as Marijke, to take centre stage.
We have come to know some of these women and it has been an honour to report this story.
They were called child prostitutes by their own government in 2008, but by 2022, they have had the last word.
These women matter. Now. Always.
As we said earlier, Ghislaine Maxwell will stare down the barrel of 20 years in prison for helping the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse and traffick teenage girls for sex.
In imposing the sentence, US Judge Alison Nathan said Maxwell did not appear to express remorse or accept responsibility.
“Maxwell directly and repeatedly and over the course of many years participated in a horrific scheme to entice, transport and traffic underage girls, some as young as 14, for sexual abuse by and with Jeffrey Epstein," Judge Nathan said.
"The damage done to these young girls was incalculable."
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It’s time for the survivors, such as Marijke, to take centre stage.
We have come to know some of these women and it has been an honour to report this story.
They were called child prostitutes by their own government in 2008, but by 2022, they have had the last word.
These women matter. Now. Always.
As we said earlier, Ghislaine Maxwell will stare down the barrel of 20 years in prison for helping the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse and traffick teenage girls for sex.
In imposing the sentence, US Judge Alison Nathan said Maxwell did not appear to express remorse or accept responsibility.
“Maxwell directly and repeatedly and over the course of many years participated in a horrific scheme to entice, transport and traffic underage girls, some as young as 14, for sexual abuse by and with Jeffrey Epstein," Judge Nathan said.
"The damage done to these young girls was incalculable."
Please, please review us on iTunes. It helps people know about the podcast.
Keep up to date with the latest twists and turns in this Epstein investigation with The Prince and the Pervert Podcast.https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/ [https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/]
Support our work on Patreon for exclusive content from AU$3 a month. We have some awesome new merchandise as a thank you. Full link: https://www.patreon.com/JeffreyEpsteinPrincePervert?fan_landing=true [https://www.patreon.com/JeffreyEpsteinPrincePervert?fan_landing=true]
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(00:00):
A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a
billionaire who may or may not havebeen murdered. Welcome to the world of
the Jaffrey Epstein. The Prince andthe Pervert podcast journalists Lisa and Jan bring
you the ultimate deep dive. Asthe enablers, Epstein and Maxwell's lieutenants carry
(00:23):
their share of responsibility in perpetrating thesecountless sex trafficking crimes. But what degree
of guilt do they carry? Isit the same as Maxwell Epstein? Or
were they themselves in such a controllingenvironment that they became blind to the morals
that they had set aside. Theonly way to answer these questions is to
(00:44):
daylight the facts and let these peoplebe tried. The co conspirators must be
brought to trial. Without this,this type of abuse will inevitably continue.
As a society, we cannot affordto have this matter swept under the rug.
We have to ensure people will nolonger turn a blind eye to such
(01:06):
deplorable cases, regardless of the circumstancesof the perpetrators. Epstein, survivor Mariki,
Hello, and of Welcome to ThePrince and the Pervert Podcast. My
name is Lisa Tate and I'm GenTarren. Well, we can finally sleep
well tonight. After so many yearsof injustice, we finally have a modicum
(01:30):
of justice. Now we have notfinished this journey, but today is something
we can luxuriate in. Gen.It's a chapter has ended, the first
chapter. There's much more to come. Galaine Maxwell today in New York was
sentenced to twenty years in a federalfacility along with five years additional supervised release,
(01:55):
and she was fined seven hundred andfifty thousand dollars. In real terms,
there is no parole for her.She must serve eighty five percent of
her sentence. So doing a quickcalculation, she won't be free of the
prison system, and in this I'mincluding her supervised release until she's eighty.
(02:19):
She may get freedom and be ableto leave a prison cell in her mid
late seventies, but she won't befree completely. Gallaine Maxwell, you have
a long ride ahead of you,twenty years to be precise, and it's
time for the survivors such as Marikito take center stage. Because Jen and
I have always said these women matter, they matter, and their voices should
(02:43):
be heard. We've come to knowsome of these women, and it has
been an honor to report this story. They were called child prostitutes by their
own government in two thousand and eight, but by twenty twenty two, they've
finally had the last word. AsI said before, these women matter.
So Maxwell staring down the barrel oftwenty years in prison for helping the sex
(03:07):
offender Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse and trafficteenage girls for sex. In imposing the
sentence, US Judge Allison Nathan saidMaxwell did not appear to express remorse or
accept responsibility, and she did addressthe court Glene Maxwell, but I think
it fell a bit flat with thejudge quote Maxwell directly and repeatedly, and
(03:31):
over the course of many years,participated in a hot terrific scheme to entice,
transport and traffic underage girls, someas young as fourteen, for sexual
abuse by and with Jeffrey Epstein.Judge Nathan said the damage done to these
young girls was incalculable. CNN reporterJean Kazarez says Glene Maxwell had shackles around
(03:57):
her ankles as she was sentenced toprison. This is an epic fall for
the former British socialite gen who grewup in a mansion with untold wealth and
opportunity, and now she's in prisonin another country. She was in a
navy blue prison jumpsuit. She hadshackles around her ankles, and US Marshals
(04:18):
would be by her side if shecould walk at all, she said.
There was emotion in the court asmiss Maxwell was sentenced. A survivor known
to the court as Kate, saidshe was proud to help hold Maxwell accountable.
Today. I can look at Gallaineand tell her I became what I
(04:39):
am today in spite of her andher efforts to make me feel powerless and
insignificant, and I will cast thatempowerment on my daughter, Kate said.
Speaking at her sentencing hearing, Maxwellsaid Epstein was a quote manipulative, cunning,
and controlling man who filled everyone inhis orbit. She said she was
(05:00):
sorry for the pain that his victimshad experienced. Quote, it is the
greatest regret of my life that Iever met Jeffrey Epstein. Maxwell said,
of course, she's trying to blameeverybody else for her actions exactly. You'll
go into this in a second.But the judge was not impressed at all
by that statement. She went onto say I empathize deeply with all of
(05:21):
the victims in this case. Ialso acknowledge that I have been convicted of
helping Jeffrey Epstein convict these crimes,said Maxwell, whose statement mark the first
time she has publicly addressed the allegations. And despite the many helpful and positive
things I've done in my life andwill continue to do, I know that
(05:41):
my association with Epstein and this casewill forever and permanently stain me. Oh
well, you do the crime,you do the time. If you read
her full statement, and I willrecord it and publish it later this week,
there's no remorse or she's done.Is acknowledge that she has been found
guilty. In sentence. She doesn'tsay I'm sorry I did these things.
(06:05):
It's incredibly narcissistic, But Jen andI believe that she didn't write most of
that. No doesn't sound like her. The ego part of it does,
and the fact she believes that sheis a victim here. But the words
no, no, they don't soundlike her. They're softened in a way
(06:27):
exactly. And she doesn't care aboutthe victims, because if you read her
two thousand and sixteen deposition in thecase, with Virginia Giuffrey, she will
not admit that Epstein has desires foryoung girls. Even that fundamental truth,
she couldn't bring herself to say,because there are other people's children. Didn't
(06:49):
she say they were trash, theyare nothing? Yes? She did.
She also screamed lies, lies,lies about Virginia, and Virginia has been
speaking her truth. I would alsolike to say, when Gallaine mentions all
the good things she's done, she'sfocused heavily on her fake charity Tera Mar
and her EMT training, Yet nomention of where she volunteered her services to
(07:14):
help anyone with this. Absolutely,Jen and I honestly think that that Terra
Mar project was maybe money laundering opportunity. It certainly was a reputation laundering opportunity.
It got her back on the stage. And don't forget it was modeled
off her former partner, Ted Waite, very successful Ocean foundation. It was
(07:35):
a way of getting at him too. Yes, exactly, because Galaine,
when you left him, you tookmore than your bags, you did,
and you're trying to bring Ted Waiteinto this again and his children and his
children now. Also where she mentionsin that statement that she has lost her
relationship with Scott Borgison. I'm puttinghis name in there. It's obviously him,
(08:00):
and she'll never get it back.Them's the Braggs. He's not coming
to visit. Well, he didn'tcall you for three months before you were
arrested, exactly, so don't sayhe was supportive all the way through.
And you also said that Ted Waitewas supportive of you, but he left
you in two and eleven, along time ago. I don't think he
(08:24):
would have been impressed. So ifyou've been listening, which of course you
have been, I've been talking aboutthe different rangers of sentencing time she could
have got. Of course, shewanted four years and six months to a
maximum of five years. She feltshe deserved a sentence of four years to
(08:46):
five years maximum. The government,however, went no maximum of fifty five.
Today she was handed twenty. Thereis a reason for this. Depending
on the year of crimes committed,there are different sentencing guidelines. The judge
had to go with the two thousandand three guidelines, not the two thousand
(09:09):
and four guidelines, which would onlycome into play if the government could prove
without any doubt that this conspiracy continuedafter November first, two thousand and four.
It was murky. So the judgeand I believe correctly here to avoid
(09:30):
more weight on any appeal, chosethe two thousand and three guidelines and what
she gave her was basically the maximum, and she did include the extra enhancements.
These enhancements include bits like if itcould be proven that Galaie Maxwell directed
employees to partake in the sex trafficking, extra time was added. Judge Nathan
(09:56):
declared that, yes, it wasven and that was Sarah Kelen. But
we'll have a lot more on SarahKelen at another date. The judge said
it was proven that Sarah Kelen,Epstein's assistant who took over Gallaine's role as
Galaine wanted off with Ted Waite,that it was proven that Gallaine told Sarah
(10:16):
Kelen what to do, so thatadded to her sentence. Now, Gallaine's
lawyer, Bobby Sturdham requested that Gallaineserve her twenty years sentence in the minimum
security federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut. Now that's the same one that Martha
(10:37):
Stewart asked to go to, butStewart was sent off to West Virginia instead.
Now the interesting little bit of tipbitthat our wonderful researcher Shan found was
that Glenn and Eva Juban So that'sEpstein's former girlfriend and her husband, a
former hedge fund owner. They livefifty eight miles away from the pruis that
(11:00):
her team wish her to go to. So I wonder if she does get
sent there, whether or not theJubians will be on her visitor list.
The one thing I know, Jennyis you can't rule anything out when it
comes to this case. Absolutely,So we don't know where she will be.
But let's look at Galaine's circumstances.She's sixty. When you compare her
(11:24):
to a lot of people who arein prison, she has had access to
incredible healthcare, she's fit, she'shad access to really good food for most
of her sixty years, so she'sgoing in slightly healthier than a lot of
prisoners would be. But prison ishard. It's completely different to what anything
else she's experienced, as she's foundout since she was arrested. So we
(11:48):
don't know how she's going to copewith the next seventeen years. Now that
seventeen years is the eighty five percentthat she must serve of those twenty years.
Now a lot of people are carryingon it's not enough twenty years.
She's going to age out. Basically, she won't be free of the prison
system until her eighties. And I'dlike to say now that we have spoken
(12:11):
to several survivors and they are ecstaticwith the fact that she got twenty years.
Remember she was saying she only deservedfour to five years. This is
a good result, but as Marikisaid, there are other people to be
found. I just wanted to sayalso, we can allow ourselves a win
(12:33):
this time. Chen. It isa win for everyone who's followed this case.
It's been quite the emotional roller coaster. We keep referring to this just
being a chapter. It's not theend, and that was confirmed today by
Brad Edwards. He's a lawyer whohas been helping so many survivors through their
journey of trying to get some justiceat significant risk to himself. He was
(12:58):
sued by Epstein and he was followedand he was threatened. He has a
family. He stood out the frontof the court and said, there's a
lot of people that have a lotof information. We've said for a long
time, they know things, andthey should be speaking and the time is
now. This is a major victory, not just for Annie Farmer and Kate
(13:24):
and some of the others who spoketoday, but also for the dozens of
other victims. I'm not only involvedin this sex trafficking operation, but that
are being trafficked worldwide. I thinkthat it sends a really powerful message to
conform with the law and to bedeterred from engaging in any form of conduct
like this. Whether you are thefacilitator, rumor perpetrator, whoever you are,
(13:50):
nobody is above the law. AndI think that's the message that everybody
understands very loud and clear. Today. I think our system works. It
took a long long time, longerthan we wanted it to, but today
a good and positive day and tellsus that our country is still intact.
In our system. It really hasworked the right way. There are other
people that should be held accountable.I can't talk a whole lot about that,
but I don't think that this isover. If it's over from a
(14:13):
criminal perspective, it's not over froma civil perspective. So we will keep
pushing forward until the whole range ofpeople are known what they did and what
they didn't do. The government prosecutesthem, that'd be great, But on
a very conservative indictment, she's gettingtwenty years, so that doesn't sound lucky.
But the course and scipe of whatshe did it is. I can't
(14:37):
imagine that anyone was impressed by GillenMaxwell's statement. It was probably the closest
thing she's ever come to acknowledgement ofanything in her life. But it was
passive acknowledgement. She acknowledged somebody else'spain, but not that she caused it.
And obviously she was the perpetrator ofthe crime. To think that she's
being charged for something that Jeffrey Epsteindid is arrogant in and of itself.
(14:58):
She was charged with the crimes shecommitted, and only a fraction of them.
There's a lot of people that havea lot of information. We've said
for a long time they know things, and they should be speaking, and
the time is now, and ifthey're continuing to not speak, they're hurting
victims, they're hurting survivors, they'renot helping. So we could sit here
and yell out names of a lotof people who have a lot of power
and prestige, and they hide behindthat and instead don't come forward and just
(15:20):
do the right thing like a normal, good human being. There are people
that are coward and I wish thatthey would come forward, and maybe that's
one of them. So Jen andI have our theories. Obviously, we
won't be going into who we thinkperhaps he's referring to, because he wasn't
giving away any hints other than thisis not over, and today's episode is
(15:43):
about the justice these survivors have gottoday. When we started this, I
didn't think anything was going to happen, purely because of how Epstein died,
but also the two thousand and eightplay deal in Florida where he got basically
a slap on the wrist and theycalled the girl's prostitutes. But now they're
not. They're survivors and they arestrong. Absolutely so there will be more
(16:08):
coming out later, but for now, if you wish to get in contact
with us, you can find uson Twitter, Lisa is Lisa Podcasts,
I'm oh really truly, We havea Facebook group, a Patreon, But
to you end this episode, wewant to do something different. Normally,
our rather stroppy middle aged intern calledGistan comes in today. I'm going to
(16:33):
do something different. Lisa and Iwould like to thank the women who have
taught us about strength, resilience,hope, and forgiveness. You are all
so much stronger than anyone ever imagined. So today, thank you to these
names and so many more. Virginia, Annie, Maria, Mariki, Kate,
(16:56):
Caroline, Lisa, Teresa, Michelle, Courtney, Chantay, Sarah,
Jennifer, Talia, Jenna, Lisa, Shawner, Anushka, Kiki, Rachel,
Juliet, Elizabeth, Tiffany, Alice, Mary, Maggie, Jasmine Becker,
(17:17):
Jaden, Daisy, Lola, Emilia, Anisha, Faith, Aurora,
Mary Belle, Meghan, April,Cassie, Janna, Francesca, Victoria,
Wanda, and all the Jane Does
A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a
billionaire who may or may not havebeen murdered. Welcome to the world of
the Jaffrey Epstein. The Prince andthe Pervert podcast journalists Lisa and Jan bring
you the ultimate deep dive. Asthe enablers, Epstein and Maxwell's lieutenants carry
(00:23):
their share of responsibility in perpetrating thesecountless sex trafficking crimes. But what degree
of guilt do they carry? Isit the same as Maxwell Epstein? Or
were they themselves in such a controllingenvironment that they became blind to the morals
that they had set aside. Theonly way to answer these questions is to
(00:44):
daylight the facts and let these peoplebe tried. The co conspirators must be
brought to trial. Without this,this type of abuse will inevitably continue.
As a society, we cannot affordto have this matter swept under the rug.
We have to ensure people will nolonger turn a blind eye to such
(01:06):
deplorable cases, regardless of the circumstancesof the perpetrators. Epstein, survivor Mariki,
Hello, and of Welcome to ThePrince and the Pervert Podcast. My
name is Lisa Tate and I'm GenTarren. Well, we can finally sleep
well tonight. After so many yearsof injustice, we finally have a modicum
(01:30):
of justice. Now we have notfinished this journey, but today is something
we can luxuriate in. Gen.It's a chapter has ended, the first
chapter. There's much more to come. Galaine Maxwell today in New York was
sentenced to twenty years in a federalfacility along with five years additional supervised release,
(01:55):
and she was fined seven hundred andfifty thousand dollars. In real terms,
there is no parole for her.She must serve eighty five percent of
her sentence. So doing a quickcalculation, she won't be free of the
prison system, and in this I'mincluding her supervised release until she's eighty.
(02:19):
She may get freedom and be ableto leave a prison cell in her mid
late seventies, but she won't befree completely. Gallaine Maxwell, you have
a long ride ahead of you,twenty years to be precise, and it's
time for the survivors such as Marikito take center stage. Because Jen and
I have always said these women matter, they matter, and their voices should
(02:43):
be heard. We've come to knowsome of these women, and it has
been an honor to report this story. They were called child prostitutes by their
own government in two thousand and eight, but by twenty twenty two, they've
finally had the last word. AsI said before, these women matter.
So Maxwell staring down the barrel oftwenty years in prison for helping the sex
(03:07):
offender Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse and trafficteenage girls for sex. In imposing the
sentence, US Judge Allison Nathan saidMaxwell did not appear to express remorse or
accept responsibility, and she did addressthe court Glene Maxwell, but I think
it fell a bit flat with thejudge quote Maxwell directly and repeatedly, and
(03:31):
over the course of many years,participated in a hot terrific scheme to entice,
transport and traffic underage girls, someas young as fourteen, for sexual
abuse by and with Jeffrey Epstein.Judge Nathan said the damage done to these
young girls was incalculable. CNN reporterJean Kazarez says Glene Maxwell had shackles around
(03:57):
her ankles as she was sentenced toprison. This is an epic fall for
the former British socialite gen who grewup in a mansion with untold wealth and
opportunity, and now she's in prisonin another country. She was in a
navy blue prison jumpsuit. She hadshackles around her ankles, and US Marshals
(04:18):
would be by her side if shecould walk at all, she said.
There was emotion in the court asmiss Maxwell was sentenced. A survivor known
to the court as Kate, saidshe was proud to help hold Maxwell accountable.
Today. I can look at Gallaineand tell her I became what I
(04:39):
am today in spite of her andher efforts to make me feel powerless and
insignificant, and I will cast thatempowerment on my daughter, Kate said.
Speaking at her sentencing hearing, Maxwellsaid Epstein was a quote manipulative, cunning,
and controlling man who filled everyone inhis orbit. She said she was
(05:00):
sorry for the pain that his victimshad experienced. Quote, it is the
greatest regret of my life that Iever met Jeffrey Epstein. Maxwell said,
of course, she's trying to blameeverybody else for her actions exactly. You'll
go into this in a second.But the judge was not impressed at all
by that statement. She went onto say I empathize deeply with all of
(05:21):
the victims in this case. Ialso acknowledge that I have been convicted of
helping Jeffrey Epstein convict these crimes,said Maxwell, whose statement mark the first
time she has publicly addressed the allegations. And despite the many helpful and positive
things I've done in my life andwill continue to do, I know that
(05:41):
my association with Epstein and this casewill forever and permanently stain me. Oh
well, you do the crime,you do the time. If you read
her full statement, and I willrecord it and publish it later this week,
there's no remorse or she's done.Is acknowledge that she has been found
guilty. In sentence. She doesn'tsay I'm sorry I did these things.
(06:05):
It's incredibly narcissistic, But Jen andI believe that she didn't write most of
that. No doesn't sound like her. The ego part of it does,
and the fact she believes that sheis a victim here. But the words
no, no, they don't soundlike her. They're softened in a way
(06:27):
exactly. And she doesn't care aboutthe victims, because if you read her
two thousand and sixteen deposition in thecase, with Virginia Giuffrey, she will
not admit that Epstein has desires foryoung girls. Even that fundamental truth,
she couldn't bring herself to say,because there are other people's children. Didn't
(06:49):
she say they were trash, theyare nothing? Yes? She did.
She also screamed lies, lies,lies about Virginia, and Virginia has been
speaking her truth. I would alsolike to say, when Gallaine mentions all
the good things she's done, she'sfocused heavily on her fake charity Tera Mar
and her EMT training, Yet nomention of where she volunteered her services to
(07:14):
help anyone with this. Absolutely,Jen and I honestly think that that Terra
Mar project was maybe money laundering opportunity. It certainly was a reputation laundering opportunity.
It got her back on the stage. And don't forget it was modeled
off her former partner, Ted Waite, very successful Ocean foundation. It was
(07:35):
a way of getting at him too. Yes, exactly, because Galaine,
when you left him, you tookmore than your bags, you did,
and you're trying to bring Ted Waiteinto this again and his children and his
children now. Also where she mentionsin that statement that she has lost her
relationship with Scott Borgison. I'm puttinghis name in there. It's obviously him,
(08:00):
and she'll never get it back.Them's the Braggs. He's not coming
to visit. Well, he didn'tcall you for three months before you were
arrested, exactly, so don't sayhe was supportive all the way through.
And you also said that Ted Waitewas supportive of you, but he left
you in two and eleven, along time ago. I don't think he
(08:24):
would have been impressed. So ifyou've been listening, which of course you
have been, I've been talking aboutthe different rangers of sentencing time she could
have got. Of course, shewanted four years and six months to a
maximum of five years. She feltshe deserved a sentence of four years to
(08:46):
five years maximum. The government,however, went no maximum of fifty five.
Today she was handed twenty. Thereis a reason for this. Depending
on the year of crimes committed,there are different sentencing guidelines. The judge
had to go with the two thousandand three guidelines, not the two thousand
(09:09):
and four guidelines, which would onlycome into play if the government could prove
without any doubt that this conspiracy continuedafter November first, two thousand and four.
It was murky. So the judgeand I believe correctly here to avoid
(09:30):
more weight on any appeal, chosethe two thousand and three guidelines and what
she gave her was basically the maximum, and she did include the extra enhancements.
These enhancements include bits like if itcould be proven that Galaie Maxwell directed
employees to partake in the sex trafficking, extra time was added. Judge Nathan
(09:56):
declared that, yes, it wasven and that was Sarah Kelen. But
we'll have a lot more on SarahKelen at another date. The judge said
it was proven that Sarah Kelen,Epstein's assistant who took over Gallaine's role as
Galaine wanted off with Ted Waite,that it was proven that Gallaine told Sarah
(10:16):
Kelen what to do, so thatadded to her sentence. Now, Gallaine's
lawyer, Bobby Sturdham requested that Gallaineserve her twenty years sentence in the minimum
security federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut. Now that's the same one that Martha
(10:37):
Stewart asked to go to, butStewart was sent off to West Virginia instead.
Now the interesting little bit of tipbitthat our wonderful researcher Shan found was
that Glenn and Eva Juban So that'sEpstein's former girlfriend and her husband, a
former hedge fund owner. They livefifty eight miles away from the pruis that
(11:00):
her team wish her to go to. So I wonder if she does get
sent there, whether or not theJubians will be on her visitor list.
The one thing I know, Jennyis you can't rule anything out when it
comes to this case. Absolutely,So we don't know where she will be.
But let's look at Galaine's circumstances.She's sixty. When you compare her
(11:24):
to a lot of people who arein prison, she has had access to
incredible healthcare, she's fit, she'shad access to really good food for most
of her sixty years, so she'sgoing in slightly healthier than a lot of
prisoners would be. But prison ishard. It's completely different to what anything
else she's experienced, as she's foundout since she was arrested. So we
(11:48):
don't know how she's going to copewith the next seventeen years. Now that
seventeen years is the eighty five percentthat she must serve of those twenty years.
Now a lot of people are carryingon it's not enough twenty years.
She's going to age out. Basically, she won't be free of the prison
system until her eighties. And I'dlike to say now that we have spoken
(12:11):
to several survivors and they are ecstaticwith the fact that she got twenty years.
Remember she was saying she only deservedfour to five years. This is
a good result, but as Marikisaid, there are other people to be
found. I just wanted to sayalso, we can allow ourselves a win
(12:33):
this time. Chen. It isa win for everyone who's followed this case.
It's been quite the emotional roller coaster. We keep referring to this just
being a chapter. It's not theend, and that was confirmed today by
Brad Edwards. He's a lawyer whohas been helping so many survivors through their
journey of trying to get some justiceat significant risk to himself. He was
(12:58):
sued by Epstein and he was followedand he was threatened. He has a
family. He stood out the frontof the court and said, there's a
lot of people that have a lotof information. We've said for a long
time, they know things, andthey should be speaking and the time is
now. This is a major victory, not just for Annie Farmer and Kate
(13:24):
and some of the others who spoketoday, but also for the dozens of
other victims. I'm not only involvedin this sex trafficking operation, but that
are being trafficked worldwide. I thinkthat it sends a really powerful message to
conform with the law and to bedeterred from engaging in any form of conduct
like this. Whether you are thefacilitator, rumor perpetrator, whoever you are,
(13:50):
nobody is above the law. AndI think that's the message that everybody
understands very loud and clear. Today. I think our system works. It
took a long long time, longerthan we wanted it to, but today
a good and positive day and tellsus that our country is still intact.
In our system. It really hasworked the right way. There are other
people that should be held accountable.I can't talk a whole lot about that,
but I don't think that this isover. If it's over from a
(14:13):
criminal perspective, it's not over froma civil perspective. So we will keep
pushing forward until the whole range ofpeople are known what they did and what
they didn't do. The government prosecutesthem, that'd be great, But on
a very conservative indictment, she's gettingtwenty years, so that doesn't sound lucky.
But the course and scipe of whatshe did it is. I can't
(14:37):
imagine that anyone was impressed by GillenMaxwell's statement. It was probably the closest
thing she's ever come to acknowledgement ofanything in her life. But it was
passive acknowledgement. She acknowledged somebody else'spain, but not that she caused it.
And obviously she was the perpetrator ofthe crime. To think that she's
being charged for something that Jeffrey Epsteindid is arrogant in and of itself.
(14:58):
She was charged with the crimes shecommitted, and only a fraction of them.
There's a lot of people that havea lot of information. We've said
for a long time they know things, and they should be speaking, and
the time is now, and ifthey're continuing to not speak, they're hurting
victims, they're hurting survivors, they'renot helping. So we could sit here
and yell out names of a lotof people who have a lot of power
and prestige, and they hide behindthat and instead don't come forward and just
(15:20):
do the right thing like a normal, good human being. There are people
that are coward and I wish thatthey would come forward, and maybe that's
one of them. So Jen andI have our theories. Obviously, we
won't be going into who we thinkperhaps he's referring to, because he wasn't
giving away any hints other than thisis not over, and today's episode is
(15:43):
about the justice these survivors have gottoday. When we started this, I
didn't think anything was going to happen, purely because of how Epstein died,
but also the two thousand and eightplay deal in Florida where he got basically
a slap on the wrist and theycalled the girl's prostitutes. But now they're
not. They're survivors and they arestrong. Absolutely so there will be more
(16:08):
coming out later, but for now, if you wish to get in contact
with us, you can find uson Twitter, Lisa is Lisa Podcasts,
I'm oh really truly, We havea Facebook group, a Patreon, But
to you end this episode, wewant to do something different. Normally,
our rather stroppy middle aged intern calledGistan comes in today. I'm going to
(16:33):
do something different. Lisa and Iwould like to thank the women who have
taught us about strength, resilience,hope, and forgiveness. You are all
so much stronger than anyone ever imagined. So today, thank you to these
names and so many more. Virginia, Annie, Maria, Mariki, Kate,
(16:56):
Caroline, Lisa, Teresa, Michelle, Courtney, Chantay, Sarah,
Jennifer, Talia, Jenna, Lisa, Shawner, Anushka, Kiki, Rachel,
Juliet, Elizabeth, Tiffany, Alice, Mary, Maggie, Jasmine Becker,
(17:17):
Jaden, Daisy, Lola, Emilia, Anisha, Faith, Aurora,
Mary Belle, Meghan, April,Cassie, Janna, Francesca, Victoria,
Wanda, and all the Jane Does
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