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July 4, 2022 19 mins
We have all the details about the requests being submitted to the court by Ghislaine Maxwell’s team.

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(00:00):
A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a
billionaire who may or may not havebeen murdered. Welcome to the world of
the Jeffrey Epstein. The Prince andthe Pervert podcast journalists Lisa and Jan bring
you the ultimate deep dive. Hello, and welcome to The Prince and the

(00:23):
Pervert Podcast. My name is LisaTate, and here I have with me
Jen Taran. Hello, Jen.Hello everyone. Wow, last week was
a week, wasn't it. Jen. You're going to drill down into the
details of Gallaine's twenty year sentence.I certainly am. And I'm going to
talk about who is also in thecrosshairs of the lawyers and the survivors,

(00:47):
and then I'm going to read outGalai Maxwell's full statement that she read to
the court. Jen, you'll haveto get in character. There'll be a
few sarcastic words or tones. Nowshe's convicted and jailed and sentenced sex offender.
It's amazing, isn't it. It'sabout time. Yeah, it's been
a long, long road for thesurvivors. They must just be relieved.

(01:11):
They were all happy. So whenpeople were saying to me, oh,
it's not long enough. My opinionis if the survivors are content with that,
well that's no problem for me.And we were in contact with survivors
during that hearing, and yes,a static yeah, something has happened.

(01:33):
It may not have been what theyreally wanted, but it's a step in
the right direction. And she's accountableJen, even though in her statement it
shows that she doesn't believe she's doneanything wrong. And that brother of hers,
Ian with the interesting financials, hewas in the spectator writing extremely offensive
things about the US judicial system,how it's medieval, uncivilized. He may

(02:00):
have financial criminal charges of his own, maybe possibly due to that box of
documents in the Jersey Islands. Yes, hashtag lahog. So let's look at
the judgment in this case. Ithas been lodged and it gives all the
details about her sentence and her hostprison release. So she was sentenced to

(02:25):
a term of two hundred and fortymonths, which we know is twenty years.
So count three, which was conspiracyto transport minors with intent to engage
in criminal activities, and that wasfrom ninety four to oh four, she
got five years for that. Nowfor count four, which was transportation of

(02:50):
a minor with intent to engage incriminal activity. That was from years ninety
four to ninety seven. She gotten years for that. Count six which
was trafficking of a minor, whichwas two thousand and one to two thousand
and four, and that was allminor victim four Caroline she got twenty years.

(03:15):
Now all these counts are to runconcurrently, which means it's twenty years.
She is going to Danbury, whicha lot of people have said is
a bit of a garden party prison. It's where Teresa Judais, who is
a real housewife of New Jersey,she went there for fraud chargers. So

(03:37):
I'm quite familiar with a HARKing lotof the jail from when Housewives were filming
the Family going to visit, andof course it was also the base of
Orange Is the New Black. NowGalaiden Maxwell's team asked if she could go
to this particular prison, and Idon't think it was just because it's an

(03:59):
hour drive away from Glen and EvaJuban's house. Now, of course,
Eva, as you all know,was Epstein's long term girlfriend for about eleven
years and Glenn Juban is her husbandand he used to own a hedge fund.
We're talking billionaire. But the reasonwhy they wanted that one not just

(04:20):
because it's fairly easy, but becauseit's one of two prisons that has a
FIT program. And the judge saidon the imprisonment sheet, defendant to be
considered for enrollment in FIT program now. The FIT program started in two and
seventeen and this is from the Bureauof Prisons website. Women in prison have

(04:46):
different treatment needs than men. Insupport of those treatment needs, the Federal
Bureau of Prisons has activated a newGender responsive Integrated Treatment program at Danbury.
For the first time, an entireBURO facility will operate as a therapeutic community,
allowing women at the low security institutiona range of programs and services offered

(05:14):
simultaneously to meet their individual needs.Once activated, the FIT program will serve
approximately two hundred inmates and be staffwith three psychologists, four treatments specialists,
a social worker, and a unitteam. The FIT program is an evidence
based approach designed to ensure that eachparticipant has an individually tailored treatment plan and

(05:41):
receives a full range of services toaddress their needs. The program will combine
three psychology treatment programs, including theResidential Drug Abuse program into a single integrated
therapeutic community. Women not actively inneed of mental health, substance use or

(06:02):
trauma treatment may focus on work relatedgoals and providing peers support. So that's
what Gallaine wants. Now. Thisprogram is also provided at Hazelton, which
is also a low security prison.So it's my belief her lawyers asked for

(06:26):
this program for Galaine so that theycan use it as a wedge in their
appeal that she was traumatized by herfamily, by her father. She had
such a bad upbringing that she justfell under Epstein's spell and had no idea
of the harm she was causing.I think this is part of their appeal

(06:46):
process, and getting the judge tosay yes, she needs to go to
FIT sort of adds to it.I suppose now that FIT program she'll have
to do five hundred hours, butthat's singers. She's got twenty years to
do it. Now. In thefederal sentencing arena, she must serve eighty
five percent of her sentence. Thatknocks it down to seventeen years. I

(07:12):
also believe that they will take offany time already served, so we're looking
at about fifteen years before she getsout, which makes her about seventy six.
But then the kicker is the fiveyears supervised release program. She's going
to have a probation officer. Shewon't be allowed near any schools, she

(07:33):
won't be allowed near any area whereyoung children or those under eighteen congregate.
So at any stage her probation officercan ask to see the contents of her
vehicle, her papers, her computer, any electronic communication. She cannot incur
new credit charges or open additional linesof credit without the approval of her probation

(07:58):
officer. And she must not haveany contact with the victims. In this
case, this includes any physical,visual, written, or telephonic contact with
such persons. Additionally, you mustnot directly cause or encourage anyone else to
have such contact with the victims.That's an interesting bit. I wonder how

(08:22):
long that will hold up. Now, for that five years of supervised release,
she was sentenced for a term ofthree years on counts three and four
and five years on counts six torun again concurrently, So that's where they
get the five years of her supervisedrelease from She also copped a fine of

(08:43):
seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.There is no indication of when that money
is due. But one of themandatory conditions is number four. You must
make restitution in accordance with eighteen USCand any other statute authorizing a sentence of

(09:03):
restitution. You must cooperate in thecollection of DNA as directed by the probation
officer. And you must comply withthe requirements of the Sex Offenders Registry and
Notification as directed by the Probation Officer, the Bureau of Prisons, or any

(09:26):
such sex offender registration agency in thelocation where you reside work, are a
student, and she has to refrainfrom any unlawful use of controlled substances.
You must submit to a drug testwithin fifteen days of release from imprisonment and

(09:48):
at least two periodic drug tests thereafteror determined by the court. The first
condition is that you must not commitanother federal, state, or local crime.
So now we'll go back to thesentencing for a moment, and one
of the names that hovered above thissentence in hearing was Sarah Kelen, now

(10:09):
known as Sarah Vickers. She wasGallaine Maxwell's second in charge, but during
Gallaine Maxwell's hearing, Judge Allison Nathansaid Kelen was criminally responsible in the Epstein
sex trafficking scheme, and witnesses atthe trial testify that Kelen scheduled sexualized sex

(10:30):
abuse massages with the dead financier JeffreyEpstein. So what will happen to Sarah
Kelen from now on? Is shethe next person in the pyramid? We
don't know, but lawyers have saidthat they're going to be putting some focus
on her now. These lawyers includeBrad Edwards, who is a Florida lawyer
and he represents a lot of thesurvivors. Whether it's going to be criminal

(10:54):
or civil, we don't know yet. I have a great scoop coming on
Sarah Kellen, and I'm going towork on it all week, and we'll
have it for you here first andexclusively. Because she's heavily involved. No
matter what you say about her guilt, her innocence, her status as an
enighbler, an employee, or avictim as some have tried to paint her,

(11:16):
she was heavily heavily involved. Butit's not just Kelen they're looking at
either. We'll go on to thatin a second, but I just wanted
to let you know. Josie Ensawfrom the UK Telegraph had a great article
on the weekend about what now whatabout Kelen because there's been a whole lot
of content, But there was somuch discussion in that sentencing hearing of Sarah

(11:39):
Kelen and about her culpability as thesecond in charge certainly was, and of
course they've also raised a few othernames. And let's just say, I
doubt Prince Andrew will be game enoughto go to the US for a while.
No, you can all sleep soundly, American friends. They may not
be able to bring criminal charges againstthese other people, but Brad Edwards did

(12:03):
say civil chargers Sarah Kelen. Itis recognized that she may have received compensation
from the Epstein fund, so shedoes have money, and she was also
transferred money from Epstein just before hisdeath. Yes that was two hundred and
fifty thousand. So I don't thinkshe can sleep well either. And maybe
she will never be held to accountin a criminal sense, but certainly in

(12:26):
a civil court it seems likely.Because the thing is, you do not
underestimate these survivors. These survivors havebeen the driving force in getting DELAYE Maxwell
into a courtroom and now into prison. Absolutely, whatever happens with Sarah Kelen.
We will follow it closely, andnow let's go and read Galayine Maxwell's

(12:48):
statement to the court. I amgoing to try my heart as not to
put too much of a sarcastic toneon it, and next week I'll come
back and talk about some of theinconsistencies that she has brought up in her
statement. Lies lies, Lies,Lies, your honor. It is hard

(13:09):
for me to address the court afterlistening to the pain and anguish expressed in
the statements made today. The terribleimpact on the lives of so many women
is difficult to hear and even moredifficult to absorb, both in its scale
and extent. I acknowledge their sufferingand empathize deeply with all the victims in

(13:35):
this case. I also acknowledge thatI have been convicted of helping Jeffrey Epstein
commit these crimes. And despite themany helpful and positive things I have done
in my life and will continue todo to assist others. During my sentence,

(13:56):
I know that my association with Epsteinand this case will forever and permanently
stain me. It is the greatestregret of my life that I ever met
Jeffrey Epstein. I have had plentyof time to think, having spent two
years in solitary confinement, I believethat Jeffrey Epstein was a manipulative, cunning,

(14:24):
and controlling man who lived a profoundlycompartmentalized life and fooled all those in
his orbit. Variously, his victimsconsidered him a godfather, mentor, benefactor,
friend, lover. It is unfathomabletoday to think that that is how

(14:50):
he was viewed contemporaneously. His impacton all those who were close to him
has been ever stating, and todaythose who even knew him briefly or never
met him, but were associated withsomeone who did have lost relationships, jobs,

(15:13):
and had their lives derailed. JeffreyEpstein should have been here before all
of you. He should have stoodbefore you years ago, in two thousand
and five, in two thousand andnine, and again in two thousand and

(15:37):
nineteen, all the many times hewas accused, charged, prosecuted. He
should have spared victims the years ofchasing justice. But today is ultimately not
about Epstein. It is for meto be sent and for the victims to

(16:03):
address me alone in court. Toyou, I say, I am sorry
for the pain you experienced. Ihope my conviction, along with my harsh
incarceration, brings you closure. Ihope this brings the women who have suffered

(16:27):
some measure of peace and finality tohelp you pulled the experiences of those so
many years ago in a place thatallows you to look forward and not back.
I also acknowledge the pain this casehas wrought to those I love,

(16:49):
the many I held and still holdclose, the relationships I have lost and
will never be able to regain.It is my sincerious wish to all those
in this courtroom and all those outside, that this day brings a terrible chapter

(17:14):
to an end. And to thoseof you who spoke here today and those
who did not, may this dayhelp you travel from darkness into light.
Gilaine Maxwell, June twenty eight,thank you so much for joining us again

(17:36):
today. It is not over.No, by any means, this is
not over, but we do appreciateyou turning up week after week to listen
to us. And we're an independentpodcast team, aren't we. Jen We
don't have big people behind us,so we really appreciate our audience. Well,
just day, our middle aged internwith the posh English accent thinks she's

(18:00):
a big person, but she's notreally, So it's goodbye from me,
and it's goodbye from me. Havea fabulous week, and if you want
to grab uphold of us, youcan find us on Twitter at oh really
truly, I'm at Lisa Podcast.We have a TikTok and we've also got
Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and YouTube. Okay, stay safe everyone, thank

(18:22):
you, Bye bye bye, Hellobitches and everybody else. Yes, I'm
quite looking forward to Gilaine going toa little farm prison. Anyway, Today
the shout out is to a specialfella called El Presidente who took over my
terror mar Yes he did. Anyway, I've heard you've got the spicy cough

(18:47):
there in Hawaii. M I hopeyou choke on your tissues. So everyone
just barger off. Hi, it'sLisa here. Do you want to help
us for us the Prince in thePervert Podcast. One of our kind listeners
has been asking how they can supportus, So we've started a Patreon account,

(19:10):
which not only benefits you in termsof extra content and exclusive content,
it also helps us just cover ourcosts at the end of the day.
This is a labor of love andwe're determined to follow the case until the
end. These women absolutely matter.That's why we're doing this work, and
we are all in this together.Details of the Patreon account are in the

(19:33):
show notes. Thank you.
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