Ghislaine Maxwell’s No 2 Life of Luxury & Epstein Goddaughter Speaks

Sarah Kellen today flits between a New York penthouse, North Carolina and two Miami luxury apartments, a far cry from her past as a Jahovah’s Witness cast-out and Epstein boss.
Since leaving the employment of pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, the 41-year-old, who greeted countless girls at the door of his Palm Beach mansion, continues living a life of luxury.
Sarah Kellen, an unindicted Epstein co-conspirator, divides her time living in two Miami penthouses with her husband, a former NASCAR driver. More and pictures: https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/sarah-kellen-sarah-kellan/?amp=1
Plus more on Ghislaine’s sentencing statement.
We have found video where Celina Dubin, Epstein’s goddaughter, talks about her mother Dr Eva Dubin, who testified at Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial. Video link: https://youtu.be/K5WBjeV3qXw
More about Eva Dubin and Epstein (link): https://jeffreyepsteinpodcast.com/epstein-accomplices__trashed/eva-dubin/
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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a
billionaire who may or may not havebeen murdered. Welcome to the world of
the Jeffrey Epstein. The Prince andthe Pervert podcast. Journalists Lisa and Jan
bring you the ultimate deep dive.Hello, and welcome to The Prince and

(00:22):
the Pervert Podcast. My name isLisa Tate and I'm Jen Tarren. So
Jen, We're continuing to report onthe Jeffrey Epstein criminal conspiracy, even though
I believe it's getting darker and darkerby the day. But I've decided what
I'm going to do with the darknessin this case. I have to embrace

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it. I can't bide it anymore. My frustration about no newer rests,
but that's quite premature, isn't it. It certainly is. There's a lot
of word on the street about civilcases at the very least, and there
is a grand jury in Laurida thatwas underway around the time Gallayne Maxwell was

(01:04):
arrested, and we have not heardanything about that exactly. And then there's
the grand jury that was in panelfor Galaine Maxwell's arrest, so possibly there
could be more charges against Maxwell therecould be and other people. There are
going to be civil cases full stop. For sure. That's been confirmed.

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I will go into that later.Last Thursday, Bobby Sternham, who seems
to be the lead lawyer for GallayneMaxwell, they filed a motion to appeal.
They didn't have to give any reasonswhy or provide any more information.
It's just they lodged the notice theywere going to appeal. Shock, horror.

(01:48):
I never expected that to happen.No, and that's a strange sarcasm
by the way. Everyone well,they will keep trying. They'll go the
whole way to the Supreme Court ifthey can. The UN. They love
bringing up the UN, don't they. Oh, yes, they do.
So this is as far as Iknow. One of the first times I
saw them mention the UN the Maxwellfamily was when Gallayne's brother, who was

(02:13):
found bankrupt and he was from acertain period of time unable to run a
business in the UK. He wasgoing to go to the UN about that
injustice in his words, because theywere stopping him from making a living because
he couldn't go and work for anybodyelse. No exactly, And obviously we
have Gallayne at the UN. Soher sister Christine was involved in the World

(02:37):
Economic Forum as well, and soshe was part of the UN. She
fronted up there absolutely, So theyloved the UN as a last port of
call. Well, we'll see aboutthat as we go on. So what
are you going to talk about today? I'm going to talk about Sarah Kelln
Vickers, a listed but unindicted coconspirator on the Florida Please deal. But

(03:00):
also I'm going to be talking abouther luxurious new life. And I've got
a breakdown of Galaine Maxwell's statement.Now you're going to find this really interesting
because how does her statement to thecourt, to the survivors, why does
it bring in Selena Juban. Nowmany of you would understand that Selena the

(03:23):
daughter of Ava and Glenn Juban.She was Epstein's former partner for eleven years
and she married Glenn, who isa was a hedge fund owner billionaires.
Their first child, Selena was Epstein'sgod daughter. In evidence tended in Galaine
Maxwell's trial, they had a photographof some of the hard drives and CDs

(03:46):
that were found in Epstein's townhouse inNew York, and one of those photos
featured a CD with the words insharpie on it Selena. But we'll get
to that when I talk about thisstatement. And also we've got some information
on the juven family, and we'vefound tucked away on the Internet a video
of Selena, and we're also goingto talk about her brother Jordan. So

(04:11):
let's start with Sarah Kellen. Then, Yes, Jen, Sarah Kellen,
do you think she's a victim ora cunning co conspirator in this case?
Well, and when she ended upbeing hired by Epstein and becoming part of
his world, she was an adult, she'd been divorced, she'd been shocked
up, she'd been a model,well model in quotation marks, because you've

(04:34):
all seen the photographs that Lisa unearthedof her swamp modeling days. I think
she was old enough to know.She was about twenty two. She was
old enough to know certainly there couldbe some aspect of grooming, but I
understand that's what the family is pushing. Yes, So I'm going to give

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you a picture of Sarah Kellen's lifetoday, and we're going to con part
to what the survivors have gone through. Now, she's flitting between a five
million dollar New York penthouse, NorthCarolina and two Miami luxury apartments. One
of them has one eighty degree viewsunobstructed of the water. It's absolutely amazing.

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And what I'm going to do isI've written a post about this,
so I'll put a link to theshow notes. So since leaving the employment
of pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, the fortyone year old who greeted countless girls at
the door of his Palm Beach mansion, continues living a life of luxury.
I find that shilling that she greetedso many girls led them up those stairs

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to be sexually assaulted, and yetsome of those girls ended up in jail
themselves, ended up in abject poverty. Yes, her husband, Brian Vickers,
who is a NASCAR driver, He'sspent about six million dollars on a
breathtaking apartment in the Continuum on SouthBeach in Miami. Now. They married

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in Wyoming in twenty and thirteen.Now about their new digs. Its website
reads residents enjoy luxurious amenities and sprawlingviews of the Atlantic Ocean and coastline,
Fisher Island, and the Port ofMiami. It's a two tower resort style
condominium. It's on twelve acres ofmanicured grounds, a four story jim and

(06:25):
spa, three tennis courts, twoluxurious pools, an open restaurant as well.
Her life has worked out really wellwith Vickers. It's a dream,
yeah. And they also own anothernot in this apartment complex, but there
is another penthouse that they had aswell. But I wanted, just for
a moment, if we can thinkabout the survivors, those poor girls who

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were led up the stairs by smilingSarah now. Tara Palmeri in Politico wrote
earlier this year about the long standingrole Kellen played in the Epstein operation.
Quote it's Kelen whom caught me.Wild remembers most vividly from the day she
first walked through Epstein's doors in PalmBeach in two thousand and two. Wild

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was just fourteen, so we knowSarah's at least twenty two, still in
middle school with a mouthful of bracesto her. Kellen's friendliness made the situation
seem normal, just like Glaine did, and Courtney Wild is the one that
ended up in jail, serving longerthan Epstein ever did. You're fourteen years

(07:30):
old and you go to a mansionand then Sarah Kelen I mean, she's
a beautiful woman too. She's verynice, you know, escorts me upstairs.
Wild said an interview, it's weird, but I kind of just went
with the flow of what everyone elsewas doing. That's called grooming. During
a raid of Epstein's house in twothousand and five, police found phone long

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signed by Sarah Kelen and Tara saysEpstein was essentially running an enterprise at Royal
Palm Beach High School. This iswhat shocks me because, in my opinion,
what the judge said in galayne sentencingshe is peas in a pod with
Sarah Kellen, and Sarah Kellen wascontinually brought up in Galley Maxwell's case exactly

(08:11):
by the judge and also by thegovernment. Now, this is what I
mean, the difference between her salubriouslife. Quote. Wild was living in
a trailer park at the time witha mother who struggled with addiction. She
told me she feared she would becomehomeless without the money she was earning from
Epstein. Wild told Paul Mary,it's upsetting for her to hear that Kellen

(08:33):
calls herself a victim. That's whathas happened. As far as we know,
she has actually applied for compensation,Yes, from the victim's fund,
which is backed by Epstein's state.Which is interesting, Sarah, because now
you've got money, people can sueyou, people like Courtney. And yes,
she were named in the non prosecutionagreement from Florida in two thousand and

(08:54):
eight, but that's been declared invalidin quite a few cases. Well it
was in Galains and look, maybethey can get her on something in New
York or she did live in Californiafor a while as well. Okay,
So while goes on and says shewas over the age of twenty one,
so I feel like she was ina state of mind to make good and
bad decisions, and she repeatedly madethe wrong decision. This is the thing,

(09:18):
Jen, that's the crux. Thatis the crux of it. You
made really bad decisions as an adult, and you kept working for Epstein right
up until as far as we know, two thirteen, two thousand and fourteen,
and he gave you money, yes, towards your legal feet, two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars in twothousand and nineteen. They knew this was

(09:39):
coming, They absolutely knew. ButI want to tell you something. What
I know from this case is BradEdwards, the lawyer. The victim's lawyer
said outside the court in New Yorklast week that they are coming for people.
And I can guarantee you Courtney Wildeis coming for you, Sarah Kelen,
and she is not a lady tobe trifled with. And also Brad

(10:00):
and Courtney they have a very strongrelationship. He was one of the few
people that believed her and what shewent through. That is true, And
it was Courtney who was behind allthe action that led to a Florida judge
apologizing to the survivors for being calledprostitutes by their own government. That's disgusting.
So I think Kellen thinks she's gettingaway with it, But the reality

(10:22):
is, even if they do forsome bizarre reason not indict you, the
survivors are coming for you with civilactions. So I don't know what you're
going to do with all that Epsteinmoney. You're better, I don't know,
put it in your laundry or something. Well, they've already redone their
kitchen in New York and pissed offall their neighbors and annoyed the builder.

(10:43):
Yes, I found a legal actionagainst her husband. The owner of the
Penthouse in New York for some renovationsthat have been done, and the builder
wanted to put a lean on theproperty, but he wasn't able to do
it because City Bank already had alean on it. So essentially he couldn't
put a lean on the value ofthat property to get his money because it

(11:07):
was already mortgage to City Bank.So we don't think he's been paid.
I'm going to call him and findout. Vicker's mother was also listed on
that, wasn't she. He hasgot a lot of LLC's and Ramona Vickers
his mother is listed on all ofthem as like registering officer. See she's
all over those documents. So thiscompany that was involved in was called Requerio

(11:30):
Terror. Sorry, my Latin's notvery good. So he's got a whole
lot of companies named in Latin.So as we know. During Maxwell's hearing,
the judge said that Kellen was criminallyresponsible in the Epstein sex trafficking scheme.
Jen and Galaine Maxwell's team kept pushingher as well. She was a

(11:50):
knowing participant, according to Judge AllisonNathan, and she was a criminally responsible
participant. Again, the defendant wasEpstein's number two and the lady of the
house, so she's referring to Maxwell. There. At some point Kellen took
over some of the defendant's duties,but even after that time, the defendant

(12:11):
retained her leadership position. Fascinating.You do not want jen your name to
come up in relation to Gallaine Maxwellnow, in the interests of fairness,
I haven't been able to ever getcomment from Kellen's people, but this is
her story. At seventeen, shemarried a man from the Jehovah Witnessed Church

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and moved to Hawaii. In twentythirteen she married Vickers. As I said,
and to date, Kellen has nothelped law enforcement as far as we
know. That's the important thing.We don't know if she has, and
has rarely spoken about her time withEpstein, But when she has spoken,
she said that she's a victim,that she was raped every week, and

(12:56):
she's not a monster. Her husbandhas said more about this then she has.
We found out recently that Brian Vickersis involved in a cult information group.
He was on their board but nolonger. He does have their details
on his website along with the Innocenceprogram, and he says he supports these
kind of law initiatives because him andhis wife have both been accused of things

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they haven't done. And we spokeabout this his website and these organizations early
last year. Yes, he's verygenerous with donations, Yes he is.
He supports fact which is a cultinformation group, the Sunny Center, and
they are all in that justice field. And that's what we were talking about

(13:43):
last year that we believe the Kellumwill use being groomed in a cult,
being groomed again as her defense.Well, she also said, according to
Julie K. Brown's book, shewas sexually assaulted at thirteen. So that's
what we have for Sarah. Butwatch this space. It's going to be
interesting. So now let's talk aboutGalaine Maxwell's appeal. But first we need

(14:11):
to look at that statement. Iread it out last week, but I
got a bit of feedback and peopleare seeing exactly what I saw, So
I'll play it again now and afterwards. Get ready, your honor. It
is hard for me to address thecourt after listening to the pain and anguish

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expressed in the statements made today.The terrible impact on the lives of so
many women is difficult to hear andeven more difficult to absorb, both in
its scale and extent. I acknowledgetheir suffering and empathize deeply with all the

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victims in this case. I alsoacknowledge that I have been convicted of helping
Jeffrey Epstein commit these crimes. Anddespite the many helpful and positive things I
have done in my life and willcontinue to do to assist others during my
sentence, I know that my associationwith Epstein and this case will forever and

(15:24):
permanently stain me. It is thegreatest regret of my life that I ever
met Jeffrey Epstein. I have hadplenty of time to think, having spent
two years in solitary confinement. Ibelieve that Jeffrey Epstein was a manipulative,
cunning, and controlling man who liveda profoundly compartmentalized life and fooled all those

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in his orbit. Variously, hisvictims considered him a godfather, mentor benefactor,
friend, lover. It is unfathomabletoday to think that that is how
he was viewed contemporaneously. His impacton all those who were close to him

(16:18):
has been devastating, and today thosewho even knew him briefly or never met
him, but were associated with someonewho did, have lost relationships, jobs,
and had their lives derailed. JeffreyEpstein should have been here before all

(16:44):
of you. He should have stoodbefore you years ago, in two thousand
and five, in two thousand andnine, and again in two thousand and
nineteen, all many times he wasaccused, charged, prosecuted. He should

(17:07):
have spared victims the years of chasingjustice. But today is ultimately not about
Epstein. It is for me tobe sentenced, and for the victims to
address me alone in court. Toyou, I say, I am sorry

(17:30):
for the pain you experienced. Ihope my conviction, along with my harsh
incarceration, brings you closure. Ihope this brings the women who have suffered
some measure of peace and finality tohelp you pulled the experiences of those so

(17:56):
many years ago in a place thatallows you to look forward and not back.
I also acknowledge the pain this casehas wrought to those I love,
the many I held and still holdclose, the relationships I have lost and

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will never be able to regain.It is my sincerius wish to all those
in this court room and all thoseoutside, that this day brings a terrible
chapter to an end. And tothose of you who spoke here today and

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those who did not, may thisday help you travel from darkness into light.
Gallaine Maxwell, June twenty eight.The first paragraph that acknowledges the pain
and anguish expressed in the statements madetoday. She says that it's really hard

(19:06):
for her to address the court afterlistening to the pain and anguish. It's
hard for me, as in Galaineis the victim for having to listen to
all of those the terrible impact onthe lives of so many is difficult to
hear and even more difficult to absorb. She's forgetting she was there that sentence,

(19:33):
is trying to separate herself from thosecrimes. The kicker, I acknowledge
their suffering and empathize deeply with allthe victims in this case. Again,
it is my belief that she's tryingto say that, yes, I'm a
victim too. Now she does saythat she acknowledges that I have been convicted

(20:03):
of helping Epstein commit these crimes.Again, she brings in Epstein it was
Epstein, and that she was convictedfor helping. She's not saying yes,
I did it. I did thesethings. She's saying, I got convicted
for it. She is not atany point admitting guilt. Then there's the

(20:27):
whole I've been helpful and I'll keepdoing that, but my association with Epstein
and this case has stained me again. She's placing herself as a victim.
This victimhood continues. She hates thefact that she ever met Jeffrey, and
she's already spent two years in solitaryconfinement because of him, and he fooled

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everyone, including herself. Apparently.Now this was the worst sentence, the
one that really jumped out at me. Variously, his victims considered him a
godfather, mentor, benefactor, friend, lover, godfather. That's Selena Juban,

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daughter of Ava and Glenn Juban.Ava was Epstein's girlfriend for about eleven
years before he met Glene. Shemarried Glenn Juban, who used to own
a hedge fund the Billionaires. Sois this little section saying sorry to Selena

(21:33):
knowing that the word godfather will bepicked up on? Is this a way
pointing at Ava and Glenn. Ava, as you would all know, was
one of the witnesses that she calledto the stand. Ava of course has
memory problems at the moment, butI'll ask Lisa about what she thinks about
that later. So godfather, mentor, benefactor, friend, love, these

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are all people in Epstein's sphere.She's not talking about his survivors. She's
talking about his friends and their family. It's not about survivors. And the
next part, she's giving a nodto her estranged husband, Scott Orginson.

(22:21):
She mentions, and today those whoeven knew him briefly or never met him,
but were associated with someone who did. That's her she's talking about,
have lost relationships, jobs, andhad their lives derailed. A few people
being pushed out of their own companiesdue to their association with Epstein. Scott

(22:45):
Borginson was one because he married Gallaineand in fact, he didn't talk to
her for three months before the FBIwent and picked her up. Next,
Gallaine talks about how Jeffrey should havebeen there in two thousand and five,
two thousand and nine, and againin two thousand and nineteen, blame shifting.

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I'm only here because Jeffrey isn't,That's what she's trying to say.
But she was part of this andthat was proven. Then she says but
today's ultimately not about Epstein. Itis for me to be sentenced and for
the victims to address me alone incourt. She's not saying sorry again.

(23:27):
She's not admitting to the crime.To you. I say, I am
sorry for the pain you experienced.She's not saying I'm sorry I caused you
pain. I'm sorry about my involvementin the criminal activities, the sex trafficking.

(23:48):
She's just saying, if you experiencepain, well, I'm sorry that
you experienced pain. And then shedives back into saying sorry and going I'm
a victim because my loved ones Ialso acknowledge the pain this case has wrought
to those I love, The manyI held and still hold close, the

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relationships I have lost and will neverbe able to regain. This is pure
victim here from Galai Maxwell. Justbefore sentencing, she was calling out Ted
Waite and his kids, calling outScott Orginson, saying how they still supported
her, but she'd lost the relationshipsshe had with these two men and their

(24:34):
children because of Epstein. And shekept naming Ted Waite where previously she hadn't
mentioned him at all. So noneof this was an apology to survivors.
The only people she truly apologize towere the men she had relationships with,

(24:55):
Ted Waite, Scott Borgenson, eventhough she doesn't name them in here,
and to her family and close friends. In my opinion, this was not
an apology to any of the survivors. But of course, seeing as she's
going to appeal, it's probably bestthat she didn't admit any guilt whatsoever.

(25:17):
But what will the grounds for appealbe? Having seen the way her legal
team operates, They're going to tryeverything. They're going to throw mud at
the wall until something sticks, Sothey'll be throwing up stuff that isn't legally
allowed, isn't part of the processof an appeal, But no doubt they'll
choke the court. They'll choke thedocket. Already back in April, she

(25:42):
tried to get the trial dismissed becauseof Scottie during number fifty. They'll try
Scottie again, or sure, becausehe did not disclose being sexually abused as
a child, they will drag thatup again. But there's plenty of other
legal arguments they can use. Herlawyers have already said that the conviction was

(26:04):
tainted because the evidence did not proveher guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Another
reason could be that it took solong to prosecute her. Why didn't they
do it before? If they trulythought she was involved in the sex trafficking,
why didn't they do it before.They'll also throw up, in my

(26:26):
opinion, how she was housed thesolitary. They'll bring up every time someone
was late turning on a light,a computer, or there was issues getting
paperwork into the court or hard drivesso she could look at her discovery.
Everything is on the table, Ibelieve. So, Lisa, do you

(26:49):
think along the same lines as Ido about that reference to godfather means she
was apologizing to Selena perhaps, oris she trying to point the finger at
other people like her parents, becauseVirginia Dupres said she was assaulted by Ava
and Glenn Juban, not Selena.So we just want to say here there

(27:10):
is no suggestion that Selena Juban hasdone anything illegal or been involved in sexual
assault. If anything, she isone of the victims of this whole conspiracy
as well. She was a child, yes, because Epstein was godfather to
their three children. Exactly. Now, what did you think about Ava Juban's

(27:32):
time on the stand though, Remembershe had a memory problem, medical issue,
and it was glossed over and ignored. No one asked what it was.
I'm going to keep my eye onyou, Ava Juban, because you
do do a lot of YouTube videoswhere you speak to people and you discuss
cancer and breast technology and have therecent ones just before her testimony, they

(27:56):
were fairly normal. Well, yes, was one where they were celebrating ten
years of their breast cancer center atMount Sinai and she seemed altogether Yes,
but I'm not a doctor, neitheram I. But I just saw that
its interesting, So I will bewatching you. But guess what else I've
found? What the Juven's love YouTube? Well, yes, they do self

(28:19):
promoters. Now this kind of brokemy heart actually, So Selena Jubn uploaded
a video two months ago talking aboutcareer in medicine. So she's studying to
be a doctor and she wants towork in dermatology. And there were some
school kids there asking her questions.But she introduced herself and she said,
and I actually gasped, she said, my mother is my hero and my

(28:42):
inspiration. Right, if you havechildren in the car, you might want
to turn the podcast off for asecond. Fuck me dead, Jen,
That poor girl, they have messedwith her mind. And I'm sorry,
but we've got Virginia's testimony about whatthey did. Ronaldo Rizzo there but la
okay, Now we've also got ontop of that what we saw at the

(29:03):
trial. Her own mother was therefar out, Like, I feel so
bad for that girl. My heartbreaks and the other children. Yes,
do you know Epstein took her toa daddy and daughter dance because Glenn couldn't
make it. Yes, I do. And she was so excited exactly,
and he taught her maths and scienceand piano. This just makes me sick.

(29:25):
But interestingly, they've got this JubanFamily Foundation and all three kids were
on it for a while. Wherebut Jordan Juban is no longer on the
executive committee now that is their song. Yes, and he works in finance
in New York. He's twenty four, I think. But you've got to
live in oh an Igloo not toknow about this Epstein case, especially since

(29:48):
how closely they were involved. SoI'd like to know if there's been any
falling out with Jordan and leaving thefamily foundation. That is an interesting point.
Yes, because they're all on apage with all their cvs and the
rundown. There's a photo of himon the homepage. But someone is trying
to do some reputation management online forall of them, because there's links all

(30:11):
over YouTube and there are blogs.I can't see Jen, how they could
ever hide this story. So whatthey're trying to do is push so much
good stuff out to bury the bad. Well, it's going to take twenty
years, don't you think? Ireally feel sorry for the Juban children,
So do I being exposed to thatnegligence. This is my knowledge in reading

(30:33):
court papers though, that Glenn Jubndidn't like Epstein. That's true, yes,
and it was a cause of alot of friction between the two of
them. That's Ava and Glenn.So I don't know what AVer's story is,
honestly, I don't. She mightsay that she was groomed as well.
It's sad, it's tragic. See, Ava was already a beauty coin

(30:56):
pageant winner when she met Epstein.She would have had to deal with some
men before she actually ran into Epstein. Yes, it's a big gap in
her life story, isn't it?And in his Yes, that's right,
because that time when he was inEurope, he was meeting with Robert Maxwell,
and during that time he was splittingliving between London, Switzerland, and

(31:21):
New York. What did he getup to in Switzerland exactly how did he
meet Ava? I wonder if hewent to Lichtenstein, because that's the spot
where a lot of the Maxwell companymoney has gone in and out of over
the years. It's interesting, fascinating. There's so much we don't know about
this case. We've been on itfor three years and we will never know

(31:42):
everything because the period of time withAva was before he met Colaine and started
seeing her. Yes, see,we'll never know everything to do with this
case, but we'll keep looking.Having Herbert I said about her statement,
you can just see that she's tryingto set up for the appeal that she
didn't know or it was somebody else'sfault. Oh and also her victim blaming

(32:07):
siblings were out the front of thecourt as always. They never ever ever
have known a TV camera that theydidn't want to pontificate to. I'll just
chuck it in here so you canlisten along. Yes, so just to

(32:28):
say that we have nothing and toadd to the very heartfelt statement that Guillen
gave in court, and nothing toadd to the comments that she may about
the victims and her sincere hope thatthe trial, her conviction, and this
sentencing will allow the victims some closure. Just to echo what Bobby Sernheim has

(32:52):
said, Guillen will be exercising herright to appeal her conviction and sentence,
and we the family were busy solidlybehind her all the way, Thank you
very much. So what do youthink she's going to base the appeal on.

(33:12):
So it will be Scottie the jurorand lying on his jury questionnaire,
and notice he turned up to thesentencing but for once didn't want to answer
any questions. Thirsty Verry, SoScotti the juror. I think she'll start
pushing that it was other people andthey should be on trial. Ie Sarah

(33:32):
Kellen, magnificent. I live forthis stuff. Jen. She'll probably try
and push that some of the girlsthemselves should be tried because they brought in
other victims. I imagine she'd liketo see Virginia on the dock. Oh
yes she would, Oh Florida pleadeal. Did they try that? Yes?

(33:52):
They did? It got knocked back. They could try it again,
couldn't they. No, I'm goingto try and have a good day now.
That isn't dark gen, because thisstory in the Epstein case is very
dark. So is our other podcast, Goodbye Glam Squad. Isn't that getting
dark gen? It's got everything,money laundering, abuse against children, racism.

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Anyway, Look, it's goodbye fromme and fuck you to all the
Epstein co conspirators out there. They'recoming for you and we are here for
it. So if you want toget hold of us, you can find
me on Twitter at Oh really truly, I'm at least of podcasts, and
we've also got Instagram and a Facebookgroup and a Facebook page. So we'll

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leave you now in the capable handsof our middle age intern with a fake
English accent called Jis Stain. Yes, and if you'd like a shout out
from jiz Stain, just go toour Patreon page. Links are in the
show notes, and from five dollarsa month you can support this operation.
Maybe Brian Vickers wants to donate tous, Jen, No, we wouldn't

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take it. That's a joke.We'd send them money back. We have
done that before. We have actuallyso, Brian. If you send us
money, we'll shoot it back orwill donate it to a nice decent foundation,
maybe a survivor fund for suing people. So everyone stay safe. Bye,
goodbye, thank you, Hello everybody. Yes, it's just staying.

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I don't like doing this, soI'll get this bit over and done with
because I've got a message from mytrue friend to read out later. Anyway,
No, thanks to Susan, BettyMax. Someone's pretending to be my
mother, Sue, Caroline, Gailand Julia. You can all bugger off.

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But to my hopefully new bunkie,a woman called Gillene Maxwell, I
have a wonderful statement to read out. Her lawyer, the most wonderful woman
in the world, Bobby Sternham,said this outside the court, and I
think you all need to hear itover and over again. Our client Gillin

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Maxwell, has been vilified, pillaried, and left little room for her to
be treated fairly because even before shedropped forward into this courthouse, she was
being tried and convicted in the courtof public opinion. Well, Gillin,
I'm with you on that. Peoplejust judge me, yes they do.

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They have tried and convicted me andit's all lies, lies and lies.
Hi, it's Lisa here. Doyou want to help us produce The Prince
in the Pervert podcast. One ofour kind listeners has been asking how they
can support us, so we've starteda Patreon account, which not only benefits

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you in terms of extra content andexclusive content, it also helps us just
cover our costs. At the endof the day. This is a labor
of love and we're determined to followthe case until the end. These women
absolutely matter. That's why we're doingthis work and we are all in this
together. Details of the Patreon accountare in the show notes. Thank you.