The Turpin House of Horrors Part 1

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Lynn (00:04):
Welcome to Everything Scary.
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Matt (00:12):
Hello, hello.

Lynn (00:13):
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Okay, here we go.

(00:34):
We're back in action.
So this is a case that wassuggested by one of our Patreons
, Jenny.

Matt (00:41):
Jenny C.
I have her on my list as JennyC From the block, or Jenny Craig
.
I have her on my list as JennyC From the block, or Jenny Craig
?
Yeah, no for sure, and does allthe Gens that I know.

Lynn (00:54):
Jenny Craig's just trying to like weasel her way in here.
Like you know, you can lose afew.

Matt (00:56):
I'm like Jesus.
Hey guys, I've been watchingsome of your social Love the
content, but I can help you guys.

Lynn (01:05):
I mean how?

Matt (01:05):
about New Year, New you.
What do you think?
Wouldn't you like to be herelonger to see the fruits of your
labor come to fruition?

Lynn (01:09):
and enjoy your successes.
We are on to you, Jenny C.

Matt (01:13):
I want to thank Heather B.

Lynn (01:14):
Whoa, you're just jumping right into the thank yous, damn
right.

Matt (01:16):
Get in there.
I'm a big thank you guy.
It's on my Matt to thank list.
I believe it is Mary Louise P.
That's right.
Which did you ever watch theshow Weeds?

Lynn (01:28):
I was thinking Mary, is it Mary Louise Gallagher?
Mary Catherine Gallagher?

Matt (01:32):
I was thinking Mary Louise Parker.

Lynn (01:33):
Oh, okay, I don't know who that is.

Matt (01:35):
Super hottie TV superstar Allison S, want to give her a
shout out.
These are all of our newPatreon members You're just
jumping in.
You should say that Allisonasked if you have a kidney, so
thank you so thank you forsigning up and subscribing, and
we do a couple of these everychance that we get, so we are a
little behind in the last onethat we did over the holidays.

(01:56):
I missed Asian Becky.
Oh my God, you're such a fool.
How could you For?
all of our Patreon members wehave a Patreon only Facebook
page which my sister is on.
She is, yeah, We've allowed mysister.

Lynn (02:10):
She got mad at you about Asian Becky.

Matt (02:12):
Yeah, she went and told my mom that I had left out Asian
Becky.
My mom's like did you leave outBecky?
And I'm like who the hell isBecky?
She's like Asian Becky.
And I'm like, oh yeah, mom waslike, well, I didn't want to say
that part because it kind ofsounds racist.
I'm like, yeah, it does, butthat's her name.

Lynn (02:28):
She says that Her name is Asian.

Matt (02:29):
Becky.
She's like, oh okay, well thenit's okay.
Your mom's like she'swhispering to you.

Lynn (02:36):
Yeah, she's like is there an Asian?

Matt (02:38):
Becky, that you are aware of your dad on down there clan
meeting in the house.
Jesus, uh, but yes, and thephoto, if anybody is listening
that is on our patreon and hasnot seen it.
Please go to our patreon onlyfacebook page.
Uh, you do have an invite andsee this picture of asian becky.
Just a young kid, unimpressedwith matt shit super unimpressed

(02:59):
, like a childhood photo bigbouffant, beautiful dress and
just frowny face am I crazy tosay I looked a little bit like a
mullet?
uh, no, not crazy.
There was some discussion of itwas if it was in the mullet
family and I believe, if itwasn't a direct mullet, it was
in the.

Lynn (03:17):
It was definitely a cousin yeah, cousin of mullet so
before we get started, intoday's case, we're going to try
something new, and this isactually.
I got a DM on Instagram.

Matt (03:27):
Whoa dick pic.

Lynn (03:28):
Yes, and I'm leaving my family now.

Matt (03:30):
Nice, it works, guys, dick pics work, they do.
This is the one example.

Lynn (03:35):
Guys, girls love dick pics .
There's nothing more that wedream of than just seeing your
veiny dick.
If I can go in on a, limb andget you one step further.

Matt (03:46):
an unsolicited is probably the way to go.
Why discuss it first and expectit when you can just
unsolicited?

Lynn (03:55):
Go in hard is what I, or flaccid, I don't know.
I'm not sure what the appeal is.
Either way, is it?

Matt (04:00):
illegal to send an unsolicited dick pic?
It should be.
It should be Because,essentially, sending a dick pic
is flashing somebody, is it not?
Yes, yes, it is so I mean, Idon't know, before I was married
that part perfectly clear.

Lynn (04:16):
I was on like Tinder or something.
And so there's this one guythat I met once and like he was,
he's from around here actually.
It was when I lived in Bradford, though, and he sent me like he
didn't send it unsolicited, butit was like a Wednesday morning
and he's like do you want tosee my nudes?
And I was like I'm actuallypretty okay right now.

Matt (04:34):
Yeah.

Lynn (04:34):
I haven't even had lunch yet.
And he sent me back a sad face,like he was like.

Matt (04:40):
Oh, my God.

Lynn (04:45):
Like there's nothing less appealing.

Matt (04:45):
Instantly, I'm picturing this sad little fellow with his
dick in his hand.
Yeah, a nude sulker.

Lynn (04:49):
What am I going to do with this now?
Oh my God.

Matt (04:52):
I'm taking all these pictures of my ween.
I got different angles.
He's got a ring camera, got alittle top hat on it for formal
settings, just in case I need totake a dick pic at a wedding or
a funeral.

Lynn (05:05):
Oh God, but yeah, no, like .
If I mean, if you're going tosend a question saying do you
want to see my nudes, At leaststand by it.
Yeah, don't be just like allright.

Matt (05:15):
Yeah, no, be like.
Hey, totally get it, it'sWednesday morning.

Lynn (05:17):
Yeah, maybe on a fucking Friday, thursday some call it
Friday Junior Maybe then?

Matt (05:23):
Friday, Thursday, some call it Friday Junior Maybe.
Then I mean look, the dick picsare here.
When you are ready for them,you let me know, because there
will be an avalanche.

Lynn (05:29):
You know, I heard this once and I think it's very and I
think guys should really listento this piece of advice.
All right, I'm listening.
Majority of the time, guys gethorny and then they have sex.

Matt (05:42):
Yeah.

Lynn (05:42):
Girls get horny during sex .

Matt (05:44):
Oh.

Lynn (05:45):
You're not just like, ooh, look at that picture.
Yes, right Now I've got to goback to crunching some numbers.

Matt (05:50):
You've got to preheat the oven.
That's what you're saying.

Lynn (05:53):
Yeah, I don't think it's giving what a lot of guys think
it's giving.

Matt (06:05):
I'm wondering if we think that, because we would like to
see a photo of your boobs at anytime, that we think our boobs
is our wiener and we would justlike you would want to see that
like, because why wouldn't we?

Lynn (06:10):
want to see it.
Can I see your boobs, and myboobs I mean can I see your, uh,
your wiener boobs.

Matt (06:16):
Please do you mind, oh god .

Lynn (06:21):
Well, it is wednesday morning here yes, it is
Wednesday morning here.
Yes, it is, we're off to arocky start, so yeah, so this
was all because I was justtrying to thank the person who
suggested that we do this yeah.
So we got a DM from one of ourlongtime listeners Her name is
Taylor R and she thought that itwould be fun if we went, you

(06:42):
know, down the Reddit hole andpulled out usually one or two.
Am I the assholes?
and we'll get your opinion on it.
I just think that you havegreat advice, oh lovely.

Matt (06:57):
Take it from me, the 42 year old living in his parents
basement.
If I know anything, it is howto live your life.

Lynn (07:04):
Hey, listen, they say 42 is the new 18, so this is
perfectly right.

Matt (07:09):
Hopefully it's the new 17, because I always go.
I swear to God, as soon as I'm43, I am out of here.

Lynn (07:14):
Oh God, okay.
So I think, going forward,we're going to incorporate
especially, you know, with someof the harder ones.

Matt (07:20):
Yeah.

Lynn (07:20):
I think JonBenet could have used like, especially after
all that fucking John Mark Carrtalk.
Oh, yeah, just a little bit ofa palate cleanser before you
just go out into society.

Matt (07:31):
Oh, so this isn't necessarily true crime.
It's not like I killed JonBenetRamsey.
Am I the asshole?
It's like, yes, that's an easyone.

Lynn (07:39):
Also call the Boulder police.

Matt (07:40):
Yeah.

Lynn (07:41):
Yeah.
So I don't know.
You know what this one?
I just kind of did on a whimbecause I was here until some
god awful hour last nightfinishing up this script, and so
I just pulled the first one up.
That didn't make me feeluncomfortable.

Matt (07:52):
I like it.

Lynn (07:53):
So here we go, and I want you to give it some thought,
don't just hop right in Okay,fine.
So this one starts off.
My fiance, 27 female, and I, 27male, were together for almost
nine years.
I proposed to her a couple ofyears ago and I really loved her
a lot.
After my proposal, she startedher weight loss journey and

(08:14):
asked if we could set thewedding date only after she
reached her goal.
I supported her through herjourney and I was really proud
of the progress that she made.
She lost more than 100 poundsand while she still looked great
before, she looked gorgeousafter her journey.
She was also upfront with meand admitted she was getting a

(08:34):
lot more attention now and itwas more than any attention she
had ever gotten before in herlife.
It did make me somewhatinsecure, and she even said that
a really cute guy at thegrocery store complimented her
tattoo once and asked for hernumber, even though he could see
her engagement ring.
However, my fiance told me sherejected him, but one night,

(08:54):
when she was super drunk, sheadmitted she sometimes gets
dreams of getting a hot, tallfinance guy oh finance that
Finance guy that's reallyspecific yeah.

Matt (09:06):
It's like looking for a man in finance.

Lynn (09:07):
He's like I'm actually a plumber.
She's like sorry, I wantnumbers.
Trust fund Six five.
So he says but after seeing myreaction to that, my fiance
instantly apologized.
What did you think was hisreaction going to be?

Matt (09:21):
Yeah.

Lynn (09:21):
He then says a lot of these insecurities were building
up on me and I did speak withmy best friend and asked her if
this was normal and she said itwasn't normal at all and what my
fiance was doing was not okay.
Last week I admitted to myfiance I couldn't do it anymore.
My fiance was shocked andapologized and started crying.
I was surprised with herreaction because she did admit

(09:43):
to wanting a better guy than me.
My fiance told me that she wasjust proud of the progress that
she had made and that I was theonly one that she loved and
would ever love.
She did kind of freak out a lotand asked if I was influenced by
my best friend and I told her,yes, I did seek external advice
because my insecurities werejust eating me up inside my my

(10:04):
fiance did tell me that shewould never do it again.
She was crying a lot and itlooked like she was having a
panic attack and I honestly wasworried about her.
So I just told her I wouldthink about it, because I just
wanted my fiance to calm down atthat moment and I think I just
shocked her a lot.
However, the next day, when shedid calm down a bit.
I told her that my decision wasfinal and that I just have lost

(10:24):
a lot of love for her.
Am I the asshole?

Matt (10:27):
Yeah, essentially you are, but I mean that's a complicated
situation for sure.
Yeah, I mean, if I'm a big oncethat bell has been rung, you
can't unring it, you can'tunring it.
So the second that he heardthat, I'm sure he fell out of
love.
Wow, that's a really big leap,you can't unring it.
So the second that he heardthat, I'm sure he fell out of
love.

Lynn (10:45):
Wow, that's a really big leap.
Like how do you fall out oflove that quickly, especially on
a drunken thing?

Matt (10:51):
Well, I think that you know, if that's, if you're
already insecure.
I guess, and you've got thosethoughts already.

Lynn (10:59):
I mean when I'm drunk I think I'm a fucking pop star,
though it doesn't make it happenthe next day.

Matt (11:06):
Yeah, I think that that was probably something that was
weighing on him, and then thatwas the confirmation that he
needed.
I think that he definitelycould have handled it a lot
better, and I don't necessarilythink that she wanted to leave
him.
No, I mean I don't know whattime relationship but it sounds
like this this is more hisinsecurities and he wanted to
bail before she broke it up withhim wow, I mean, I don't know.

Lynn (11:29):
I think that you shouldn't .
You shouldn't be like, yourwhole person shouldn't be based
on one drunken comment yeah, 100like I mean, I'm sure if you
ask my husband about some of thethings that I've said when I
was drunk, he'd probably be like, oh yeah, she's evil, oh yeah
that Mitch Cray.
And the same goes for him, likeI.

(11:50):
Just, people say stupid shitwhen they're fucking drunk and
people are like the true, youcomes out when you're drunk,
that's not true.

Matt (11:56):
I don't agree with that at all.
That is not true.

Lynn (11:58):
I've seen texts that I've sent when I was drunk and I was
like what on fucking planetearth were you trying to say?

Matt (12:03):
Right yeah.

Lynn (12:05):
So I mean, I don't think that's true.
I mean in some situations it'llmake it easier to say the truth
, but it's not always.

Matt (12:11):
I thought it was going to be like she was on this weight
loss journey and then, and thenshe cheated on him or she gained
a bunch of weight and then hewanted to break up with her.
That's what I thought it wasgoing to be.
And I'm like, oh, and thenyou're like is this guy the
asshole?
No, no, he did a great thing.

Lynn (12:24):
Yeah, no, no, no.
This is pretty cut and dryactually.
Yeah, so I don't know, I don'tthink that ending an engagement
of a relationship of nine yearsbased on something but again,
like you said, probably he itwas something that was probably
building up for this entireweight loss of hers.

Matt (12:39):
And no matter what she says, you can't go back, no
matter what she says you can'tgo back.
His mind was made up,unfortunately.
So what's her deal now?
Where's she at?
What's her?
What's she saying?
Can I, can your boy holla?

Lynn (12:49):
Should we?
Okay, you know what?
Actually, as soon as we're donewith this episode, let's follow
up with this poor guy.
Yeah.

Matt (12:54):
Send him a response.

Lynn (12:56):
Hey, so really sorry about your broken engagement.

Matt (13:00):
Can we get what is she up?

Lynn (13:02):
to Do?
You have a pet.

Matt (13:04):
Do you have a pet?

Lynn (13:06):
So let's get into today's case.

Matt (13:07):
All righty.

Lynn (13:09):
A lot of the information that I got from this case I got
from actual court proceedings.
So there was a bail hearing in2014, and then there's two
trials.
One will be in 2015, 2018.
And I also got some informationfrom 2020.

Matt (13:25):
Whoa the show or the year the show?
Okay.

Lynn (13:28):
An ID documentary called Signs of a Psychopath.

Matt (13:31):
Oh nice.

Lynn (13:32):
The episode was called I'm Not your Typical Murderer, I'm
not your typical murderer.
I'm a fun murderer.

Matt (13:39):
So no is it cool mom, I'm a cool murderer.

Lynn (13:42):
I got a lot of uh unfortunately from uh legacycom,
which is obituaries.

Matt (13:49):
Oh.

Lynn (13:49):
Uh, law and crime, and the best documentary that I saw on
this is the two-parter that wasdone by the first 48.

Matt (13:55):
Oh yeah, janie, okay, I never watched that show.

Lynn (13:58):
So here we go.
It's all the time I should,should get into it.
Yeah, but you're too busywatching 90 Day, which
apparently is on 24 hours a day,seven days a week.

Matt (14:04):
There are so many different.
I am on right now.
What I just finished yesterdaywas 90 Day Fiance, the Last
Resort Between the Sheets, whichis so far beyond the 90 Day
proper.
Like the flagship episode, thisis couples that are on the
rocks.

Lynn (14:24):
So they're just fucking all the time and you watch it.

Matt (14:26):
No, they're all broken up in real life.
I follow them all on Instagram.
Of course, so they're all Iknow and even like friends of
friends and stuff online andstuff like people that have one
episode.

Lynn (14:33):
So why is it called Between the Sheets?

Matt (14:35):
Because it's them reacting to the show.
So they watch the show on ascreen behind them and then
they're Kill me.

Lynn (14:42):
I would rather die than see that.

Matt (14:43):
It's the great.
It's like if you and I weretalking about a podcast.
How stupid we think true crimepodcasts are and how dumb we
think true crime podcasters arenot realizing that you and I, in
fact, are true crime podcasters.
That is the level of lack ofself-awareness that this show
exhibits, and it's just thegreatest.

Lynn (15:05):
Sometimes I try to listen back to episodes and I'm like,
oh, I know what's coming up here.
I don't want to listen tomyself say that Skip, skip, skip
skip.

Matt (15:11):
I can never.

Lynn (15:14):
So I do need to take a second here, because I would be
remiss if I didn't mention and Isaid this to you earlier, but
one of the people that I'm goingto be speaking about in this
episode.
I tried to reach out to her andask her a question and get like
an actual answer, because Idon't like putting out things
that I'm not sure are true.

(15:34):
Yeah, and I received a responseback.
Let's just say that you know,she's absolutely had enough of
this case.
It happened in 2012.
So I mean, it's been 14 yearsof her life now and she's kind
of so.
Basically, her role in thiswhole thing was that she just
kind of played a flirty back andforth with our main guy in this

(15:55):
and they were supposed to meetfor their first date and that
never ended up happening.
Okay, really, it was so small.
I did tell her that I wouldtake out her name, where she is
from, but I am going to bereferring to her as, uh, the
beauty queen, because she was abeauty queen oh jackpot so, uh,
yeah, I mean she's obviouslyinnocent.

Matt (16:15):
I mean we don't have to go .

Lynn (16:16):
Well, she is actually innocent, rest my case, your
honor but she, uh, yeah, I guessshe's had like death threats
and stuff, which is so bizarreto me because she really didn't
have anything to do with it.

Matt (16:28):
I don't know why anybody but the internet's a fucked up
place I know, could you everimagine yourself like like
writing on somebody, like likeyou should kill yourself for,
and like could you imaginetyping that ever?
Not I like under anycircumstance.

Lynn (16:42):
I know there is nothing that someone could do to make me
say something like that.
I just don't understand it.
I know, furthermore, cannotunderstand what angle somebody
would be approaching this at tosay this to this woman because
she didn't even meet with theguy that she was supposed to
meet with Right right yeah.
So it's very bizarre, but Imean, everybody is a little bit
fucked up in their own way, Iguess.

Matt (17:04):
And we love judging.
Yeah, why have the facts?

Lynn (17:07):
Yeah, why have the facts?
That's exactly right, likeHanson says, in an oom-bop.
It's gone.
You don't want to fuckingsquander this moment?

Matt (17:14):
Do they say that in an?

Lynn (17:15):
oom-bop.
Oom-bop is a fragment of time,Matt.
It is Is that what that is allabout.
In an oom-bop.
They're gone In an oom-bop.
They're not there.

Matt (17:22):
Oh my God, I just thought it was something like a
non-sickle First and foremost.
Wow All right.
Lyrical geniuses.

Lynn (17:30):
But I mean, I'm not here to debate the talents.

Matt (17:33):
Oom-bop.
It's gone in a doom-bop, yeahit's really good.

Lynn (17:39):
You have some many relations in this life.
Only one or two will last.
Oh my God, yeah.

Matt (17:46):
Okay.

Lynn (17:46):
So, anywho, yeah, so this beauty queen that I was speaking
of had initially set a timewith the fellow that we'll get
into in a moment for 9.30 on theday that they were supposed to
be meeting up.
So this was on October, the12th of 2012.

Matt (18:00):
That is like for a date, right, that's a late date.
Is he Europe?

Lynn (18:05):
He's 23 at the time oh okay.
He's 29,.
So like yeah, right, so that'sstill it's early for them.

Matt (18:13):
They are wiling out.
They still pregame before goingto the bar, probably.

Lynn (18:15):
I know like it's 11.14 now and I have to start making
dinner.
So yeah, they're going to meetup at 9.30 pm, but due to other
obligations they had to kind ofpush it out a little bit and
they decided they were going tomeet closer to 10 or 10.30.
Okay, she had shown up for herdate and was waiting.
The man that she was waitingfor was an extremely handsome

(18:37):
29-year-old attorney who hadjust recently opened up his own
practice in Ohio.

Matt (18:42):
Damn it.

Lynn (18:43):
His name was Ryan Poston, and when I say this guy is good
looking.

Matt (18:51):
Yeah, I could tell by.
He didn't have to come back toit.
I could tell when you were like, extremely Like, there's 19
syllables in extremely Listenhere.
Okay, a-c-u-s-t-r-e-m-l-e-h.
Holy shit, that's like a guyfrom a soap.
That's an attorney on a soapopera.

Lynn (19:08):
Um.

Matt (19:09):
Oh my.

Lynn (19:11):
Lord, I just fell in love, could you?

Matt (19:13):
imagine being uh needing a public defender and that drink
of water rolls through.
I would be like whatever yousay I would like to plead my
love for you.

Lynn (19:23):
How can we postpone this so we can talk more than normal?

Matt (19:26):
I would like to join you in this jail cell.

Lynn (19:31):
So yeah, so this is Ryan Poston.
Good looking dude, but sadly,on this Friday night of October
12th, it would appear as thoughthe beauty queen was being stood
up.
Oh no, by the hot lawyer beautyqueen was being stood up, oh no
, by the hot lawyer.
But when I say it would appearas though, because it was only
you know, it would seem that wayfrom her sitting there in that

(19:51):
moment because, the person thatshe was supposed to meet that
day would have never been there,because he was actually, uh,
lying dead on his dining roomfloor, oh, at the time that he
was supposed to be meeting theSpeedy Queen.

Matt (20:04):
I wonder if she was like what?
Yeah, he better have a goodfucking excuse for making me
wait.

Lynn (20:11):
One of the documentaries I watched.
They were like so were you like?
What the hell?
Like, what are you doing?
She's like well, you know I'm agirl, so like I was getting, I
was getting annoyed, but likethe one and I think it was law
and crime, maybe they made herreenact everything, so she's
like sitting at the bar and thenlike looking at the door and
then they're like by 1030, shehad reapplied her makeup and

(20:32):
she's like in the bathroomReapply your makeup.
I was like that she must belike come on.

Matt (20:39):
How long do you wait?
Not an hour.

Lynn (20:41):
Well, she ended up leaving pretty close after 1030.
So an hour.
Well, she ended up leavingpretty close after 1030.
So I think like they decidedlike 10, 1030.
So I don't think she waswaiting around for two, two Half
hour tops, and then I'm out ofthere.
Oh, as a beauty queen.

Matt (20:51):
Oh, a beauty queen, five minutes.
You don't have to wait Fourminutes.
I would leave when the date'ssupposed to start, because if
you're not early for me, thebeauty you basic, you broke, you
burnt.

Lynn (21:02):
You always do say that about yourself, yep.

Matt (21:09):
If you're not waiting there for me the beauty queen.

Lynn (21:12):
I'm like Matt say, king, he's like no.

Matt (21:14):
No.
You can't tell me what to do.

Lynn (21:18):
You're not my real mom and you never will be.
So you know, the way these twohad started talking was that
Ryan had sent her a request onFacebook.
Now listen, ryan is kind of andI mean that because there's two
other, there's two females inthis story.
Both of these, you know,talking ships.
What are they called?

Matt (21:37):
Situation ships Situation ships yeah.
Talking ships, I'm thinkinglike two ships being like.
What do you think of this water?
Pretty, pretty wavy.
There's an iceberg Fun in theocean.
Eh, A little salty for my day.

Lynn (21:53):
But yeah, ryan had met both of these women through
messaging them on Facebook,because he saw a picture that he
liked.

Matt (21:59):
Oh, the joys of being a good looking guy.
Imagine just friending people.

Lynn (22:03):
If I got that guy, I'd be like this is a catfish.
There's no way, it's not.
I'd willingly be catfished?

Matt (22:11):
I would.
I'd be like I don't care.
This is how people getcatfished.
I get it.
I love you.

Lynn (22:16):
The person shows up, it's actually a potato.

Matt (22:18):
Yeah, I'm like hello Ryan.

Lynn (22:22):
So, yeah, so he had, you know, seen her on Facebook, the
beauty queen, and he sent her amessage and you know they had a
friend in common which wasactually Ryan's step cousin.

Matt (22:34):
Okay.

Lynn (22:37):
And they started talking back and forth and she said like
he was really funny and he wasobviously very intelligent, and
they kind of hit it off.
They had great banter.
So they arranged to meet andyou know, sadly that meeting
would never come to fruitionwhat kind of banter would you
have with a beauty queen?

Matt (22:51):
like what are your talents ?
What would you?
Uh, do you have any advice fora piece in the middle?

Lynn (22:57):
did you ever see that one?
Oh my maps, the access to maps,such as the americas and such
as here as the uh is that justfiller words like is that?

Matt (23:07):
did someone train her to just like say she just panicked
yeah, no, I would have panickedum I think it's just, yeah, just
starting to fill the gaps,because that dead air would have
been, although a lot betterthan such as um the maps, and
people don't have a budget formaps such as the Americas and so
forth and such as oh God suchas.

(23:28):
And I'm just watching MarioLopez.

Lynn (23:31):
Pretend like he knows what the fuck is happening.
Yeah, so I would have been likeyou're smart.

Matt (23:39):
You know what?
I think we found her.
Did you guys see her?

Lynn (23:43):
answer.
Do you hear how many times shesaid such as oh my God she must
know what she's talking about.
Wipey Switch out that such asand put hence in there somewhere
Hence forth, yeah, hence forth.
So, after 1030 had passed, thisbeauty queen left, yeah, and
she was confused.
You know what went wrong?

Matt (23:59):
Well, she obviously saw my pictures?

Lynn (24:01):
No, it's definitely not her pictures.
Like I was saying to you, Ishowed my husband her picture
and he was getting something outof like a lower cupboard.

Matt (24:17):
And like he looked, and it was like he was one of those
Looney.

Lynn (24:19):
Tunes characters where, like his eyes rolled out of his
head but then he was like Icould see that he was just like
clamoring on to like pick out,trying to pick a flaw or
something he's like, yeah,there's something weird about
her chin.
I'm like you just realized Iwas here, didn't you?

Matt (24:28):
He's like oh my God.
She's like tall and beautiful,and he does hate that.

Lynn (24:36):
He says it.
So you know we'll circle backto this date, but first I want
to tell you a little bit aboutwho this 29-year-old attorney is
.
His name is Ryan Carter Poston.
Ryan was born on December 30th1982.
Boop boop, same age as you.
Yeah, what is your animal?
What is your like?
1982, what are you?

Matt (24:59):
Aries.

Lynn (25:00):
That's your zodiac sign, oh.
There's a year, so I'm the rat,which is lovely.
Yeah, but what are you?
You don't know, no idea, okay,well.

Matt (25:08):
Maybe the dog.
You just can't.
You're the D-A-W-G.

Lynn (25:11):
Oh.

Matt (25:12):
Oh, oh, oh, oh, where my dog's at.

Lynn (25:15):
So yes, born December 30th to his parents, Lisa and Jay
Poston.
Unfortunately, they ended upgetting divorced not long after
Ryan was born, but these parentsdid something that was so
incredibly rare and reallyremarkable.
Lisa would move on after thedivorce and marry again.
Her second husband's name wasPeter Carter, and together Lisa

(25:38):
and Peter would have threedaughters.
So Ryan's sisters and theirnames were Allison, Katie and
Elizabeth Would have threedaughters.
So Ryan's sisters and theirnames were Allison, Katie and
Elizabeth.
And this whole family wouldcome together, including first
husband Jay, and it was almostseamless, Like it almost kind of
seemed like this is the way itwas supposed to be.

Matt (25:56):
Oh, like when Demi Moore was married to Ashton Kutcher,
better than that, and they wouldgo on vacation with Bruce
Willis and his new wife andtheir kids, yeah, yeah, kind of
like that, but I think better.

Lynn (26:09):
Because you know Ryan would live full time with his
mom and Peter and the girls.
But his dad, jay, only lived upthe street a bit and he said
that he was always obviouslyjust a phone call away, nice,
and Ryan loved and respectedboth of his father figures so
much he called them both dad andhe would actually legally
change his middle name so thatit was Ryan Carter Poston, so he

(26:30):
had his stepdad's last name andhis dad dad's last name.

Matt (26:35):
Do you ever watch those videos of the step parent that
adopts the kid for likeChristmas?

Lynn (26:39):
It makes you cry.

Matt (26:40):
Like and it's always like a dad in like a football jersey
or something like, kind of likea gruff guy.
And then he gets like two wordsand he just like melts into it
and the mom's like read the restof it, dan.
Read the rest of the card.
What does it say?
And he's like it's just nice toknow that what we're doing is
making an impact.

Lynn (27:00):
Your eyes are actually watering as you're telling the
story.
Holy shit, Okay well.

Matt (27:06):
But yes, that's, lovely.

Lynn (27:09):
So yeah, so he had both of his dad's last names, peter.
His stepdad remembers when Ryandid this, like got his name
legally changed, he came homeand he just said to him this is
who I am, so this is what Iwanted to have.
His sisters would actuallyrefer to Ryan's biological dad,
jay, as Uncle Jay, and theywould celebrate all holidays and

(27:31):
birthdays as one big family.
During his high school years,though, peter and Lisa would
take the kids to live in thePhilippines and Europe.
Jay said that during this timeit was extremely difficult.
Of course he was away from hisonly child, but the Philippines,
they start celebratingChristmas in September.

Matt (27:50):
This is my Filipino fun fact, okay.
As soon as September hits.

Lynn (27:54):
You know what I hope you are extremely sure of this
because our editor is from thePhilippines.

Matt (27:59):
Yep, if you're wrong, chris, you know it.

Lynn (28:02):
Chris.

Matt (28:03):
As soon as, like September , hits all the malls, stores,
everything, it's shot right upuntil the end of December.

Lynn (28:11):
What happens when September ends?

Matt (28:13):
I hate you, you're going to wake me up Right?
Is that what it is?
Yeah?

Lynn (28:21):
Wake me up.
Okay, so they were in thePhilippines and Europe and Jay
said, like I said, very hardtime for him, but of course they
were able to still maintain agood relationship.
And I am going to read you halfa quote right now from Jay
Poston Okay, and at the very endof this episode, I'm going to

(28:41):
bring it right down by readingyou the whole thing.
And at the very end of thisepisode, I'm going to bring it
right down by reading you thewhole thing.
When speaking about his onlychild, Jay said since Ryan's
birth, I gauged my well-being byhis.
My plan in life was I wouldalways be with my son.
I'm going to leave it thereright now.

Matt (28:55):
Okay.

Lynn (28:58):
But that was his goal, right?
Like he was like instead oftrying to remarry and have more
kids, he was like listen, I'mputting all my eggs in this
basket.
I just want him to be the bestversion of himself, and I want
to be with him and give him 100%of me, and that's what he did.
So when Ryan returned toAmerica to say that he was in it
to win it what the fuck?

(29:18):
Who writes these scripts?

Matt (29:21):
I think you.

Lynn (29:22):
Yeah, it was me At like 3 o'clock in the morning To grips
like uh, I think you.

Matt (29:26):
Yeah, it was me at like three o'clock in the morning was
to say that he was in it to win.
It is an understatement.

Lynn (29:30):
Oh my god, shut the fuck up doing what I don't know life.
I guess he he was really, hewas killing it.
Oh, he, uh, craved knowledge.
That's what his dad said.
Is that he, uh, he just wantedto learn things.
And he was like one of theseguys that, no matter what the
conversation was, no matter whatthe topic, he always had
something valuable to contributeto a conversation.

Matt (29:51):
No, not just the useless storyteller.

Lynn (29:52):
Yeah, like not just like me.
Like let's talk about TaylorSwift, people are like actually
we're talking about politics.
I'm like yeah, she likespolitics.

Matt (30:00):
She's voted.
She's voted.

Lynn (30:02):
So you know, like he was just, he was very easy to get
along with and he was one ofthese people that when they
walked into a room, he kind ofdemanded the room's attention.

Matt (30:11):
Right Commanded.
The room's attention Demandedwould be like look at me, get
over here.
He walked, he was so sweet hewould walk into a room and say
everybody, stop what you'redoing and look at me now.
Oh my God, all eyes were on us.
This is embarrassing, hey, babe.

Lynn (30:26):
But he is really good looking.
That's like with his face.
He was demanding, so Ryan wouldfall.
He would fall in line with hisuncle, who was an attorney, and
his grandfather, james, who hadbeen an attorney for 54 years
Whoa, and he set his sights onlaw.
According to his parents, thesky was the limit for Ryan.
He could have done absolutelyanything he set his mind to.

Matt (30:53):
He would go to Salmon.

Lynn (30:54):
P Case.
College of Law, which is afucking medical, and it's the
law school of Northern KentuckyUniversity, oh shit.
Well, what we got here is acase that can be dismissed.

Matt (31:08):
y'all know that's like more Louisiana Down here on the
bayou, just us.

Lynn (31:11):
That's Louisiana, for sure .
Yeah, that's right.

Matt (31:12):
That's right on the bayou.

Lynn (31:14):
So that's what Tripsy Rose sounds like.
Now, all of a sudden, Really,oh my gosh.
She's super Louisian.

Matt (31:20):
She got that kid yet, or where's she at with that?

Lynn (31:22):
Oh yeah, they just had their kid oh god, yeah, and I
think there there was, I don'tknow.
I just kind of caught the tailend of her saying that like the
rumor that they have come tolike child services or whatever
has come to check out the babyis not true.
I think that of course peopleare gonna lean, you know, say
something like that.

Matt (31:42):
We just want to make sure the kids getting all our
checkups.
Oh my God.

Lynn (31:46):
Or maybe too many.

Matt (31:47):
We don't know.

Lynn (31:48):
Just, do you have the normal amount of checkups?

Matt (31:50):
Are you going to the bare minimum?
You're the maximum.
Where are we at?

Lynn (31:53):
Oh God, poor gypsy Rose.

Matt (31:54):
What a story with that dude and the.

Lynn (31:57):
Ken Uckler.

Matt (31:58):
Yeah, and then they was getting all tattoos and going to
pro wrestling and then theymade this new guy.

Lynn (32:05):
I got to say I really did not like her husband at all.

Matt (32:08):
He was just yeah, he seemed opportunistic, not
opportunistic, but he justseemed like he wasn't.
He loved the limelight, yeah,yeah.

Lynn (32:28):
Like he, he's always like trying to.
He always seemed like he wastrying to hide from the
limelight and then they likewent through a drive-thru and
he's like you see, I got my carhere's gypsy rose.
Yeah, I don't know, I didn'tlike it very much, but who the
fuck cares what I like?
So, yeah, like I said, ryan wasbrilliant and, uh, he was just
kind of a light in everyone inhis family's life.
His sisters absolutely hadnothing but just adoring things
to say about him.
Ryan had a license to carry andhe exercised that right.
You know, I think this is soforeign to us so we kind of
always get a little bit weirdabout it.

Matt (32:50):
I love it.
A lawyer packing heat yeah,object this motherfucker, that
lawyer too, yeah.

Lynn (32:55):
Like forget it.
But yeah, so he owned multiplefirearms.
Firearms, yeah, it's like areally hot iron.

Matt (33:04):
I like it.
He just carried it around.
It's like.

Lynn (33:05):
Home Alone.
He just put it in people'sfaces.
He even had, like, on hisbookshelf in his dining room.
He had a whole bunch ofdifferent bullets and they like
stood on end.
It was just kind of like adisplay.

Matt (33:17):
Oh, that's lovely.
Just loose bullets.

Lynn (33:20):
Used, actually no.
So every day when he returnedhome, he would, you know, take
his gun out of its holster andhe would put it on his dining
room table.

Matt (33:29):
As one does.

Lynn (33:31):
Is that what one does?
I do it's like when.

Matt (33:36):
I'm moving my bra after a tough day at work I'm like, oh,
it's so good to get my holsteroff.

Lynn (33:38):
You just slide it through one arm and fling it onto the
table.

Matt (33:46):
Yeah, so that's what he did.

Lynn (33:47):
He was a passionate gun owner, which I think is fine if
you're responsible with it.
Right In 2009,.
While he was still in lawschool, he met a girl named
Lauren Worley and the chemistrywas instant.
She was also going to lawschool at the same school as
Ryan, so the short form wasChase College of Law.
She found the fact that Ryancarried a gun with him super hot

(34:09):
.

Matt (34:10):
She always felt very safe, she said, when she was with him
I mean a guy looks likeanything he does is going to be
super hot literally, if you hada nerf gun on him, I'd be like
this is the hottest thing I'veever seen in my life yeah, he uh
ran over a bunch of kittens andbacked over them.
Oh my god, stop it, stop it.
I am flustered right now, like,yeah, you murdered your
grandparents.
Oh my God, stop it.
What was he wearing when he wasdoing it?

Lynn (34:29):
Oh my God, I love it.
That's classic.
You guys can't see that, but heis fanning himself.
I was yes.

Matt (34:34):
Very theatrical, like a southern belle, I do declare.

Lynn (34:38):
Yeah, you are a southern belle, thank you.
Like about um, she is like Isaid, she always felt like she
was safe and they were togetherfor actually, like somewhere in
between 18 months to two yearsand they lived together and they
even got two dogs, uh, whosenames were lily and max.
That's cute.
I've watched a coupleinterviews with lauren and she,

(34:59):
first of all, is just stillstarry-eyed about him.
She, she said and it's kind ofsad actually, because she said
she could not believe that Ryanwanted to date her.
She's selling herself shortbecause she's also gorgeous,
right, but I mean, yeah, I justI don't know how I wouldn't
think that person was human.

Matt (35:17):
Right, yeah, like.
Oh my God, he can't be wantingto date me.
Who that man dime that 10 withthe smoldering eyes?

Lynn (35:23):
Does it say Calvin Klein somewhere near his feet?
Because that looks like awalking ad to me, so she just
felt as though he was sogorgeous, he's so smart, like
really, and funny Right.
And he literally could havegotten anyone.
But as young love goes and Iimagine combining that with both
of them being in law school, itall just became too much and

(35:44):
the couple ended things amicablyand Lauren said that in her
mind and in her heart and shekind of felt like he felt the
same, that this wasn't where itwas going to end for them.

Matt (35:53):
Ooh, somewhere down the road.

Lynn (35:56):
She still held a space for him when she, you know, she
always thought that was endgame.
Was them back together whenthings were less hectic?
And she always thought that wasendgame.
Was them back together whenthings were less hectic and they
both matured.
But sadly, obviously that's notgoing to be an option anymore.
In early 2011, 18-year-oldShana Hubers would receive a
friend request on Facebook fromRyan Uh-oh.

(36:18):
His step-cousin, carissaCarlisle was a mutual friend
between the two.

Matt (36:23):
Again with the step-cousin as the go-between.

Lynn (36:25):
No, this is always the one .
Yeah, she was the mutual friendfor Shayna and Ryan.
The one for the beauty queenwas one of his female friends
who was also in the beautypageant.
World Arena Arena, yeah, yes,so yeah, this is his step.

(36:45):
I'm sure you know what I dothink I said that it was his
step-cousin before, becausethat's such a random title for
someone.

Matt (36:52):
I want to go to the Beauty Queen Arena.

Lynn (36:56):
Okay, yeah.

Matt (36:57):
I just want to go and hang .

Lynn (36:59):
Do you think that they Do?
We have that kind of stuff here.

Matt (37:01):
Like there's fashion shows and stuff.

Lynn (37:03):
What would Miss Barry be like?

Matt (37:06):
Probably a smoker for starters and probably not like
DeMaurier, probably driving upto Aurelia.

Lynn (37:15):
Yeah, like most people, just a bag.
Just a bag of darts.

Matt (37:22):
Maybe a stroller.

Lynn (37:29):
You can't, a beauty queen can't have a kid.
Yes, fucking asshole Anywho.
So yeah, his step cousin wastheir mutual go-between.
Ryan had liked a bikini pictureof Shana from spring break,
which as all good romances, dothey had struck up a
conversation.

Matt (37:46):
Which is fine.
It just depends on how soon thepicture was posted, Like.
If it's in the last two batches, you're fine.
Anything lower than that youcan look, but don't touch, don't
like, don't engage.
It's creepy.
We all know you're doing a deepdive, but you don't have to
make it known.

Lynn (38:05):
You know what's great, though.
If you ever like just creepingsomeone's Facebook, go back to
like 2006.
Like when Facebook first becamea thing and just comment on one
of their pictures and say Iwish I was there.

Matt (38:16):
Oh, my God, or what happened?
What happened to your face?
You were so pretty back then.
Just be a dick.

Lynn (38:24):
Just start liking random bitches.
Oh my God.

Matt (38:29):
We would have had so much fun if I was in your life back
then.
I wish I was there to take youto prom.

Lynn (38:36):
You would have had the night that you deserve Just
really weird, weird stuff, forsure.
So Shana Hubers, like I said,she was only 18 at this moment
that they started talking, butshe was also very intelligent.
People that knew her from highschool said she was in mostly AP
classes.

Matt (38:52):
AP.

Lynn (38:53):
Yeah, so in the States it's basically college level
classes that high schoolstudents take, so that they can
get ahead of their education.

Matt (39:00):
Wow, we have that in Canada.
It's just called a nerd alert.
No, I don't.
I'm sure we have that.

Lynn (39:06):
What are you taking this year, grade 12, nerd alert.

Matt (39:10):
Yeah, I'm in a nerd alert program.
Wow.

Lynn (39:12):
Oh, look at you, somebody's getting ahead of me.
My bad.
So Shana always almost gotstraight A's.
Now I want to show you apicture of Shana too, because
she is also very gorgeous.

Matt (39:23):
Really Okay.

Lynn (39:24):
And.

Matt (39:25):
Beauty brains, you know what Remind me.

Lynn (39:27):
To come back to what I want to tell you about inmate
pen pals.

Matt (39:33):
Inmate.
All right, I'll bet you, as aavid watcher of Love After
Lockup, I know most everythingabout inmate pen pals.

Lynn (39:41):
I would be willing to bet I've sent the person you're
talking about an email.

Matt (39:47):
I follow a ton of these inmate dating programs on
Instagram and they're just.
I'm going to start forwardingsome of my favorites to you.

Lynn (39:55):
Please don't.

Matt (39:56):
Because they're like hey, what's up, I'm Rocco, I'm here
in jail upstate New York forrobbery.
I get out in a year and I'mjust looking for somebody to
settle down with and I can sharemy stuff with.
It's like you just stole abunch of stuff.

Lynn (40:10):
You should have tons of stuff.
Okay, so this is Shana.
This is the picture that heliked.

Matt (40:15):
All right, oh, that's the actual one that he liked.
Yeah, all right.
Oh my God, like what is You'relike boner alert?
What is that all about?
Wow, it is a weird picture.
Just to like it, just it's not.
It seems like it's like a gunto your head.
Okay, can you pose for thisbikini photo?
What's pose, I don't care, justI'm taking the picture.

Lynn (40:36):
Yeah, put these high heels on.
Yeah, like okay, Mom.

Matt (40:39):
Should I smile?
No, oh, taking a picture.

Lynn (40:42):
It does actually look a little forced.

Matt (40:43):
Yeah.

Lynn (40:44):
But we're going to come to find out that Shana really
loves herself, so she wasprobably not fighting it too
hard.
Oh okay, yeah.
So she graduated from theUniversity of Kentucky with a
bachelor in science degree.
She had made the Dean's List in2010 and 2011.
And she had completed anundergrad in only three years.
Doesn't seem like that short ofa time to me.

Matt (41:04):
Yeah, that seems like a long time.
That seems like a long time foran undergrad.
I don't know what programyou're taking, but it seems like
it's way too much for you.
I don't want to sound like I'mjudgy without all the facts, but
it seems like a lot.

Lynn (41:19):
I don't hold on to that bikini body.
She's actually very smart, butshe's not great, so it's okay
that we're saying this shit.

Matt (41:25):
Will you tell me more about inmate pen pals now?

Lynn (41:27):
I have to wait until the end because I don't want to give
it away, even though I'm notdoing a very good job hiding
things At the end.

Matt (41:33):
I'm making a note here.

Lynn (41:34):
Do you know where we're going Like if you had to guess,
you already know that we'relosing Ryan, sadly.

Matt (41:40):
I'm assuming one of these attractive ladies has got to be
the killer, but that is all thatI am aware of.

Lynn (41:45):
Okay, well, let's find out .

Matt (41:47):
I like the halfway checkpoint.
Well, yeah, what do you thinkso?

Lynn (41:50):
have you been listening or just looking at bikini pics?
What do you think?

Matt (41:54):
I'm really excited for WrestleMania.
I'm sorry, have you been onyour phone looking at
WrestleMania?
Fun facts yes.

Lynn (42:01):
We have your super fly.

Matt (42:04):
Yeah, super fly, super killer.

Lynn (42:07):
And he's next to Matt's beautiful sister.
She's so sweet and she sent.
Well, she gifted Matt someserial killer spoons.

Matt (42:17):
Yeah.

Lynn (42:18):
But like serial with a C.

Matt (42:19):
Uh-huh.

Lynn (42:21):
And it's perfect Like there's two of them, and I was
like this is so cute.
They're going to be look sonice in the studio.
The funny thing about justrandom spoons lying around,
though, is that you do look likeyou have a crack cocaine.

Matt (42:31):
I assume that we do meth and heroin and coke and all the
fun stuff.

Lynn (42:37):
Can you imagine just someone who doesn't know just
coming in and we have a spoon?

Matt (42:41):
I'm going to bring a lighter and burn the spoon.
Get some burn.
Get some char marks on there,really authentic.

Lynn (42:47):
I kind of like tape them together in an X and put them
beside the superfly, because Idon't want to give anyone the
message that this is a crack den.

Matt (42:54):
Yeah, I put them next to a superfly who was a pro wrestler
in the eighties, who basicallyassembled and climbed the
mountain of cocaine to fight.

Lynn (43:04):
I went cause we covered his case yeah.

Matt (43:07):
Dick.

Lynn (43:08):
And it actually when.
The one thing I remember well,I remember who, what happened,
but more than anything, Iremember like near the end of
his career and it just was himat an outdoor wrestling match
and it was like there's likeeight or nine people around him
and they just kept over theloudspeaker.
It was like super fly.

Matt (43:27):
Yeah.

Lynn (43:28):
And it just kept going and going and going.
He's just walking around thering and I was like this is a
very sad ending to a career, andone of those people was you.

Matt (43:36):
Yeah, you know what I thought it was quite a fitting
end.

Lynn (43:39):
Yeah, no he.

Matt (43:40):
I you know the thing that obviously the murder is the
absolute worst part, but thecelebration of him afterwards.

Lynn (43:47):
Yeah.

Matt (43:47):
You think of the families, right, and what you know, even
if they're not pro wrestlingfans, right.
But you're flipping the TV.
It's the 80s, it's the biggestthing You're going to and you
stumble across it and you seehim hanging out with like Mr T
on SNL or whatever.

Lynn (44:02):
It is right Well that's the thing too, like Mr T on SNL
or whatever it is right.
Well, that's the thing too, andI don't.
It was well over a year agothat we did this case, but one
thing that comes to mind wasthat Vince McMahon went into an
interrogation room, with police,with a briefcase of money, and
then it was just all swept undertheir old rug.
As it happens, so yes, back tothis rug.

(44:23):
As it happens, so yes, back tothis.
She was in the midst ofobtaining her master's degree at
this time in 2011.

Matt (44:33):
Master's yeah, oh, my God.

Lynn (44:36):
So Ryan and Shana would meet for the first time on
Shana's 20th birthday, which wasApril, the 8th of 2011.
That's awkward, she didn't havea lot going on then.

Matt (44:45):
Yeah, you must, you're a loser, right, I guess Like, and
there's nothing wrong, I'm aloser, I have no friends, no,
but you know, I always say bychoice.

Lynn (44:58):
You know it's like well, I'm not dating by choice too
Well, to be fair, I mean.
And then you were like friendpodcast co-host, I mean, and I
was like what the fuck?

Matt (45:05):
Yeah, you know, because we're friends.
Co-host Jesus Christ.
Sorry, really awkward.

Lynn (45:14):
So just for the record, like I said, Shana is beautiful
as well on the outside.
I'll post a picture of her butshe does have big, beautiful
blue eyes, she has long brownhair and she has have big,
beautiful blue eyes, she haslong brown hair and she has a
big pretty smile with superwhite teeth, which is, I think,
that when you're like 20, yourteeth are always just white,
though.
Yeah, so clearly this is amatch made in heaven, right?

(45:36):
Super smart, super beautiful.
Yeah, what could possibly gowrong?

Matt (45:40):
Nothing.
Well, guess what?
That's not this podcast, whatthe?

Lynn (45:43):
hell.
So Ryan's friends would saythat he really quickly lost
interest in Shana, and yet theirrelationship would still go on
and off for another 18 months.

Matt (45:56):
Ooh, that's tough.

Lynn (45:58):
So later on, text from Ryan to Shana would come out, as
well as text from Ryan to hisfriends.
Shana would come out as well astext from Ryan to his friends.

Matt (46:16):
Even Shana herself would message a friend and say that in
regards to times that Ryanwould try to end things with her
, she would say he says he'sonly with me because I make him
feel awful when I cry.
Okay, look, I 100% sympathizewith him on that.
I know that that is wrong andyou should never kind of string
along, but 100% like that, ashas that happened to you
Generally, not specifically, butI mean.

Lynn (46:35):
You stayed in a relationship because someone
made you feel bad.

Matt (46:38):
I think that you stay in things and try to work on them a
little more because you don'twant to hurt that person Matt
hasn't smiled in 13 years.
We're thriving.
Yeah, I mean, you never want tomake you never want to hurt
anybody's feelings, I mean.
In a relationship.

(46:58):
I mean, if you're fighting sureyou know try to go blow the
belt.

Lynn (47:01):
Yeah, just literally, punch him right in the dick.
That's what I always say.
Just punch him right below thebelt.
Yeah, literally, just sting hima little bit, punch him right
in the dick.

Matt (47:04):
That's what I always say.
Just punch him right in thecock.

Lynn (47:06):
So yeah, so she was like to me, okay, and the fact that
she's aware of this and she'sstill like let's carry on with
this relationship, to me thatwould just be so awful.

Matt (47:20):
I feel that, yeah, you're probably manipulating the
situation.

Lynn (47:23):
And for what?

Matt (47:24):
And then he's like hey, listen, I think we need to talk,
Okay.

Lynn (47:26):
Yeah, what do you want to talk about?
Nothing.
It's like you're almostcatfishing yourself because
you're like, yes, you have thisbeautiful man who's smart, and
like it's not going to getbetter.

Matt (47:36):
No.

Lynn (47:38):
It's not like he's already made the coffin, like there's
no point.
What are you doing?

Matt (47:43):
Yeah, why would you want to trap anybody and force
anybody to do anything they'renot into?

Lynn (47:48):
What's the best case scenario?
He's just not going to ignoreyou one day.

Matt (47:53):
Yeah or you'll.
You'll look over and all of asudden he's going to look over
you and the light will catchperfectly and you'll fall right
back in love.

Lynn (47:58):
I mean, she's gorgeous, it's not your looks.
Yeah, it must be your terriblepersonality, it must be your
shitty personality.
So you know, no one could denythat Shani Hubers was clearly
infatuated with Ryan Poston.
She tried everything she couldthink of to reignite that flame,
however short-lived it had beenin the first place, like it was

(48:20):
like a match.
So I'm not sure on the exacttimeline where this comes into
play, but at some point either.
You know he gave her a key tojust open up his condo door at
one point.
I don't think he gave her a keyto like hold on to.

Matt (48:38):
Hey roomie.

Lynn (48:39):
Long term.

Matt (48:40):
Right.
But, she had a key.

Lynn (48:42):
She had a key.
That's the bottom line.

Matt (48:44):
Jesus.

Lynn (48:47):
And she would later tell friends that he'd forgotten to
take it back.
And she, you know, every nowand then would just show up and
she would just be naked on hiscouch when he got home.

Matt (48:54):
Well, that's not the worst thing I've ever heard, Okay
listen.

Lynn (48:57):
This case is so.

Matt (48:59):
I've come into the studio.
We have a couch right there.
We have a couch right there.
I've come to the studio 10times.
How?
Many times have you been naked?
Never.

Lynn (49:04):
You know what Fine.

Matt (49:06):
I hated here.

Lynn (49:08):
I was just going to be like putting pictures up, yeah,
yeah.

Matt (49:12):
What is happening?
What I?

Lynn (49:18):
thought last time you said I would be oh my, oh God.
Yeah, that'd be a prettypicture, all right.
So she would just go in, she'dbe naked and like.

Matt (49:26):
Sometimes he'd be like okay can you put a towel down?

Lynn (49:34):
like, imagine being ryan, though, like 29 year old hot guy
, he's got friends, tons offriends.
How transparent would you haveto be with your friends?
Like, listen, hey guys, we'reabout to go in this door here.
There's a 50-50 shot where yousee someone's clams.

Matt (49:50):
Oh, my god, the clam.
What kind of pose is she likein the stirrups?
Or what's the thing for it'sstirrups?

Lynn (49:58):
It's just dead eye with vagina.

Matt (50:02):
Oh my god, birthing position.

Lynn (50:06):
Okay, that is the equivalent of a dick bag.

Matt (50:09):
Yes, birthing position Just knees in the air, like you
just don't care, hey, what's up.
And then what do you say whenthey walk in?
Do you even say hello?
Could you imagine, though,what's up, hey?

Lynn (50:23):
what's going on?
Aren't you in school?
What's happening?

Matt (50:27):
Hey, hungry.

Lynn (50:33):
Did you put it down?
It's my favorite thing you'veever said.
So the thing is, ryan'sapartment was over 80 miles away
from Shana's oh, my god.
So I did a couple calculationsbecause I just want you to fully
understand.
So it's 130 kilometers, justover 130 kilometers, which would

(50:54):
be from here, here in Barrie toWhitby.

Matt (50:58):
Oh my God, On the 401.

Lynn (51:00):
Like Niagara Falls.
I looked up Buffalo, new York.
Okay, that's 220 kilometersaway from here, so it's like a
pretty, like it's a gooddistance.

Matt (51:09):
So like an hour and a half .

Lynn (51:11):
Just to have your vagina on someone's couch.
Wow Just take a cushion homewith you oh my God, that is
awesome.

Matt (51:18):
Does she watch TV, read a book?
Is she on her phone?
She's probably on her phone,just scrolling with her.

Lynn (51:25):
It's 2011, though.
Like is that?

Matt (51:27):
No, that's not Blackberry, still no smartphone was 2009.

Lynn (51:33):
Good old farts phone, Farts phone.
So in February oh God, I lovethis In February of 2012,.
Ryan texted her after multipletimes trying to break up with
her.
Hey, the heat's off in myapartment.
You might want to use a blanket.
He said and I don't know youknow what conversation that this

(51:53):
came, but he did text her inFebruary of 2012 and said you
can tell people that you brokeup with me Like he was, like you
know, fuck my pride.
Tell anyone you want Just begone.

Matt (52:05):
Yes.

Lynn (52:06):
So he just wanted to be able to peacefully let it die.

Matt (52:10):
Yeah.

Lynn (52:11):
But like everybody he knew and like even his messages to
his friends were like he just hewas trying to be kind, but like
, at what point Is it like it'sgone too far.

Matt (52:24):
I mean, trying to be kind is fine, but eventually you
become an asshole because youare not being direct.

Lynn (52:30):
How could you not become an asshole right?

Matt (52:33):
Exactly.
Somebody like this needs to betold hey, you can't just be like
nah and kind of blowing it off.
And blowing it off to be thenice guy to spare her feelings,
I get that, again, I've beenthere.
Blowing it off to be the niceguy to spare her feelings, I get
that, again I've been there.

Lynn (52:45):
But you got to at some point be a bit of an asshole, so
you're not the permanentasshole, right right and like
you're wasting your youth withthis person that you don't want
to be with, just so that youcannot be an asshole.
Like you got to also be selfishat some point too.

Matt (53:02):
Yeah, and you know this guy's a lawyer, so you'd think
you'd be pretty good at thesearguments and pleading a case
and making statements.

Lynn (53:09):
That's actually a really valid point.
I didn't even think about that.
Imagine being one of hisclients.
Yeah.

Matt (53:16):
I'd be like wait, can you not even break up with your
girlfriend?

Lynn (53:19):
I'm going to the fucking public defender so he even said
to his step cousin.
He said to her like I'm reallyworried about her, like he's
like and I'm not just sayingthat to be like, you know, mean
he's like I think like she needsactual clinical help.
Wow, like he was very At leasta robe or a house coat.

(53:39):
A robe and maybe a good episodeof Dr Fel could do.

Matt (53:41):
That's right, let's see.

Lynn (53:43):
So, like I said, just want to be able to leave things.
He didn't want to hurt her, buthe wanted out so very badly.
It actually would have beeneasy for someone who didn't know
either Ryan or Shana to figureout the dynamic of this couple
just by looking at their textmessages alone.
In one message to his friends,Ryan would message his step

(54:04):
cousin, Carissa, and said thisis getting to be restraining
level, crazy.
She's shown up at my condothree times and refused to leave
each time.

Matt (54:13):
Well, I mean, he is omitting the nudity.

Lynn (54:16):
Well, he at one point just went to his dad's house because
she was there.
He like packed himself a weelittle bag, went to his dad's
house and he was like can I juststay in my childhood room?
And Jay was like you alwayshave a room here.

Matt (54:30):
I would have been like look, dad, do you want to do a
little apartment swap for alittle bit?
Oh Lord Now keep your keep yourcamera with you, dad.
Oh my God.
That's all I'm going to say.

Lynn (54:40):
But Jay said that he then listened to Ryan's phone beep
like multiple times per minuteall throughout the night.

Matt (54:48):
Wow, I like that ping.

Lynn (54:49):
Yeah, so you know, at this time now, ryan had finished law
school and he was entering intohis field Right out of the gate
.
He had actually joined on as apartner to a law firm in
Hamilton County, but somethingwithin his partnership ended up
going horribly wrong HamiltonCounty, but something within his
partnership ended up goinghorribly wrong.

(55:10):
This comes up and that's theonly reason I am bringing it up
but they don't say what actuallyhappened His law partner, so he
had joined on to another firm,but they were going to be
partners, so it was called likea Levy L-E-V-Y is that?

Matt (55:25):
Levy, yeah, eugene Levy.
So Levy-V-Y Is that?
Levy, yeah, eugene Levy.

Lynn (55:27):
So Levy and Poston firm.
Oh yeah, and then his other.
This partner ended up suing himfor I have it written down here
injunctive relief in damages.

Matt (55:39):
Oh yeah, that's a big one.

Lynn (55:40):
I actually don't know what it means.
Wow, I did look it up, but theexplanation was harder than the
words.
Just know that he was fuckingstressed out.
Yeah, Like he's just probablyspent I don't know what $300,000
to become a lawyer, Probablysomewhere around there.

Matt (55:58):
I don't know.
Does it cost money to be alawyer?

Lynn (56:00):
Well, it costs money to go to school, to be a lawyer.

Matt (56:01):
Oh yeah, great Phenomen.
Oh yeah, great phenomenal point.
Thank you so much.

Lynn (56:04):
Yep, yep yep, you know what?
That's not a great job if youhave to pay that.
That's actually not how jobswork.
You're not supposed to go indebt when you just be working.

Matt (56:18):
Lawyers, idiots, get a clue.
You should actually be gettingpaid to work, wow.

Lynn (56:23):
We're here to help the lawyers, that's right.

Matt (56:25):
Thank God they have us.

Lynn (56:27):
So yeah, you know he was very stressed and the reason I
bring this up is because it isgoing to come up at the end of
the case.
He says he has a couple ofreally horrific messages that he
sends and it's in response tothis lawsuit.
So I just wanted to put it insome type of context before I

(56:50):
actually repeat the message.

Matt (56:51):
The lawsuit of the partner Right.

Lynn (56:53):
Right, so yeah, and they're going to try to kind of
paint him with a certain colorand it's not, it's just he's
going through a tough time.
Yeah, so let's just try to keepthat in mind.
But I mean he, yeah, so let'sjust try to keep that in mind.

Matt (57:05):
But I mean he's having a tough go.

Lynn (57:06):
He's having a tough go Now .
He's got this fucking chickthat will not go anywhere.
So he's got Shana, he's gotthis lawsuit and, in a matter of
like, only two days from theone year anniversary.
Okay, so he met Shana on the8th of April 2011.
And on the 10th of April 2012was when this lawsuit got filed.

Matt (57:27):
Oh geez.

Lynn (57:28):
So the middle of April is not great for him.
No, ryan sent a message to afriend uh, andrew and he said
I'm starting to think that lifehas passed me by while I was
busy making grand plans for it.
So he's sitting stagnant rightnow, yeah Right.

Matt (57:44):
Yeah, kind of having a bit of a pity party, and I don't
think it's a raw the bad thingnecessarily.
Sometimes you got to yeah.

Lynn (57:50):
No one else will do it for you.
Just don't invite people.
No, because you got a nakedchick on your couch.

Matt (57:54):
Yes, Hello, like I can't, I can't, like, okay, I can't
separate how great that would beto the actual horrificness and
the scariness of this case oflike the reality of, uh,
essentially not essentially aliteral stalker breaking into
your apartment is very scary.

Lynn (58:15):
Yeah.

Matt (58:15):
But I can't separate you coming home to a naked lady Like
it would just be like, Well, hecan he can and he does.

Lynn (58:24):
It gets old fast.

Matt (58:26):
Oh, okay.

Lynn (58:27):
Yeah, like, like, I don't know.
I mean, aren't there certainpeople though that like they can
be super attractive?

Matt (58:33):
physically and you're just like something about you makes
you un-attractive.

Lynn (58:37):
Yes, yes, so I think that is kind of where he stood.
Um, there is another part lateron in the script where she
sends him messages saying thatshe has all these corsets that
she's never worn before and shewas like why don't we role play?
And blah, blah, blah.
And his response was I justdon't think I'd be that into
that.

Matt (58:57):
Yeah.
His response would have beenyeah, yeah, no problem, yeah, I
can't wait here, get one on.
No, it's good, it's good.

Lynn (59:07):
Oh whoa.
So after you know, during thiswhole lawsuit period of time, he
had joined a new firm.
So once again, he was workingand that part of his life
started to stabilize at least,and he was trying to end things
with Shana peacefully.
He basically had said it all atthis point and he tried to be
delicate with her and thatwasn't working.
He basically had said it all atthis point and he tried to be
delicate with her and thatwasn't working.

(59:28):
He'd even tried leaving his ownhome.
Like I said, he had gone to hisfather's house, like he was
really just exhausting hisoptions.
And after I finished this caseand after I finished watching it
and reading about it andeverything, I was like it would
have been.
So, like hindsight, of course,2020, right, ryan is not going

(59:50):
to in his wildest dreams,probably didn't ever think that
it was going to come to what itcame to, but like in hindsight,
it's like God, I wish he hadjust moved, like, just move.

Matt (01:00:00):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:00:00):
And don't tell her where you went.
Like you know what I mean.
It's not really as though youhave a lot of friends that run
together.
You have this one step, cousin.
Like that's one person, you canjust cease and desist her.
You're a lawyer.

Matt (01:00:13):
Yeah, and you know, I think you know probably a ton of
small red flags, that on theirown you can dismiss yeah.
Right, you know what?
It's no big deal because it'sjust a one-off.

Lynn (01:00:30):
But you know what?

Matt (01:00:31):
it's no big deal because it's just a one-off, and but, uh
, you know how many one-offsdoes it take before you're like
all right, this is actually apersonality and I start
documenting some of these redflags and taking it a little
seriously.

Lynn (01:00:37):
Young, little beautiful college student like is she
really dangerous?
Yeah she's fucking annoying.

Matt (01:00:43):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:00:43):
But like is she going to hurt me?

Matt (01:00:46):
No Right.

Lynn (01:00:46):
That's crazy.

Matt (01:00:47):
Well, like I can see it, I can see her.

Lynn (01:00:50):
Yeah, she's not hiding a gun.
I can see all of her.

Matt (01:00:52):
She's not hiding any weapon.

Lynn (01:00:55):
So, yeah, she was relentless when it came to him
and it would later come out incourt that during 2012, shana
had relations with 10 men Sexual.
Shana had relations with 10 menSexual relations, which is fine
2012.

Matt (01:01:08):
What's that?
One a month give or take.

Lynn (01:01:10):
Yeah, I mean, you know.

Matt (01:01:11):
Busy month.

Lynn (01:01:12):
But here's the thing.

Matt (01:01:13):
I aspire to those numbers.

Lynn (01:01:16):
I'm not here to slut shame anybody.
You fucking want to do it, butdon't force him into this
relationship with you.

Matt (01:01:24):
Yeah, if you want to get all up in a bunch of dudes, get
up in the dudes, get up in them,but don't string along this
dude it's not even stringing himalong right, it's like yeah,
you're right, yeah, yeah sothat's the only thing that
really bothers me.

Lynn (01:01:37):
And it does come out in court and like she's cheating on
him.
No, I don't think so.

Matt (01:01:41):
I don't know what I guess I know, because they're not
really together, like I think ifshe was like I've had sex with
10 other dudes.

Lynn (01:01:48):
He'd be like that's fucking great, he's like awesome
do you, can I start dialing thenumber for you or?

Matt (01:01:53):
how do we?

Lynn (01:01:53):
get the ball rolling on you being with literally any one
of those other guys I've talkedto listen.

Matt (01:01:59):
I've called them yeah we're having a sit down they all
seem great, fucking dealer'schoice listen, I've assembled
everybody that we've slept withcombined and we have a baseball
team.

Lynn (01:02:11):
So to be relentlessly badgering this poor guy who's
just like trying his best not tohurt your fucking feelings?
Meanwhile they're getting youknow.

Matt (01:02:18):
Rails.
Yeah, love made, love made,love made too.
That's beautiful.

Lynn (01:02:24):
You should write home more cards.

Matt (01:02:25):
Thank you.

Lynn (01:02:25):
So she even told a friend that there was another dude that
she was like interested in,interested in.
This other guy's name isPatrick and she would hide him
in her phone under Patricia,like Ryan would give a fuck.

Matt (01:02:39):
Yeah, it could be like.

Lynn (01:02:40):
Like he's going through her phone.

Matt (01:02:42):
Yeah, I'd be like dude, I want a bang.
Yeah, you're right, he's noteven looking at her.

Lynn (01:02:45):
He probably didn't even know she has a phone.
Oh, he's been looking at hervulva for fucking everything oh
my god, her vulva woof so, yeah,I, I, you know she's like, oh
god, he shouldn't see this.
Like I don't think thatdecision's in your hands anymore
, he doesn't care.
Yeah, like you're foolingyourself to think that he cares
yeah, he's super jealous like no.
So yeah, even after all thisand after Patrick and all that

(01:03:05):
kind of stuff, like he's stilltexting her, or sorry, she's
texting him.

Matt (01:03:10):
Honey, I went through your phone.
Patricia sent you a picture ofher dick.
It's kind of odd.
I thought it was weird.
Patricia has such a large God.
Listen, I know it's, I knowit's, hey, I know it's.
What's the?
Year 2012 and you know, we canidentify who we want.

(01:03:33):
And I'm just saying, but I'mjust saying I didn't know that
patricia had such a huge guy ohgod.

Lynn (01:03:43):
So ryan would text a friend like even after all these
other guys this patrick,patricia, whatever, uh, ryan
would say that he had received75 texts from her in the last
hour without a response, likethat's more than a text a minute
, yeah response she.
Maybe she's like a one-wordtexter like I'm bell, let's

(01:04:04):
first of all, those peopleshould be fucking put out on an
island far, far away I kind ofdo that.

Matt (01:04:08):
I batch text a little bit, I'll send actually what you do,
but it's like three or four.

Lynn (01:04:12):
Yeah, it's not like 12.
No, yeah, I usually send threeinstead of one long yeah, I
break it up a bit.
Yeah, well, that is a lot ofexcluding you from the island,
so hey, sup, what are you doing?

Matt (01:04:23):
sup you up, sup and then just question marks K.
Lol yeah, emojis.
And then angry emojis.

Lynn (01:04:32):
You're not responding.

Matt (01:04:33):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:04:34):
So yeah, Shana would tell her friend Christy Christy's
going to play a big part in this.
Okay, so Christy is a dentistand Shana likes to confide in
Christy a lot, so she toldChristy that she was in love
with Patrick.

Matt (01:04:50):
Oh, wow yeah New guy.

Lynn (01:04:52):
Christy would later read a lot of their texts on the stand
.

Matt (01:04:57):
Oh no.

Lynn (01:04:58):
So this one in particular said that she was in love with
Patrick, and the quote is it'sgoing to be hard for me to one
day choose between him and Ryan.

Matt (01:05:06):
Well, Ryan has a say.

Lynn (01:05:08):
No, he doesn't apparently.

Matt (01:05:09):
Okay.

Lynn (01:05:10):
And then she continues.
One means a future and onemeans being with someone who
doesn't love me as much.
Sounds like a pro and a con.
I believe you made your ownargument there, sister 1,000%.
Mm-hmm, I mean, look at hisface.

Matt (01:05:24):
Yeah, I know, yeah, probably.
And plus, we always want whatwe don't, we can't get.

Lynn (01:05:28):
Right, right, yeah, which is, you know, she's not learned
anything from her own scenariobecause she's made herself very
readily available.

Matt (01:05:35):
Very available.

Lynn (01:05:37):
Very, very available.
So yeah, and then she says hedoesn't love me as much and I
just think that's being generous.

Matt (01:05:47):
As much I even maybe just stop it at love me.
I put the period after the wordme and then say I think he
doesn't love me Hard stop.

Lynn (01:05:56):
Right after that.
And that, my friend, is yoursentence, so I think, you know,
I think maybe Ryan would havethrown a party if she openly
chose Patrick.
Yeah, she's like bye, Patricia.
Nice Ryan would have thrown aparty if she openly chose
Patrick.
Yeah, she's like bye, patricia,nice, I loved your dick.

Matt (01:06:08):
It looks great, see you fucking later.

Lynn (01:06:12):
So she, like I just said I just am going back into the
Patricia thing, but yeah, she'slisted him in her phone as
Patricia.
She would also text Christyabout Ryan.
If he loved me half as much,I'd be forever faithful, but I
know he doesn't.

Matt (01:06:28):
I mean half as much, as zero is still zero.
Yeah, yeah, no, it is, it isAlso if he loved me 10 times as
much as he does now, it wouldstill be zero.

Lynn (01:06:39):
Multiplication.
I'm learning grade twomultiplication right now.
So that one I know Booyah.
So Christy, like I said, shewas a dentist and I think that
all the other things that I havesaid from this point back have
kind of just showed Shana, asyou know, she's sad, she loves
him, he doesn't love her Hornedup, misses him, stalkerish.

Matt (01:07:03):
Yeah, a little like a hopeless romantic, yeah, yeah
like, okay, poor girl.

Lynn (01:07:08):
But like I said, she's a dentist and Shana would send her
another message saying Ryan'sbeen begging me to ask you to do
his veneers.
Please F them up and make himugly so he'll never get another
girl.
I hate him.
Listen, it's not a bad strategy.
I mean teeth can be fixed.

Matt (01:07:25):
But shit that's fucking like.
And first of all, no dentistworth their weight in any, I'm
sure there's Imagine.
I'm sure there's a society likea college of dentists, like
there is, with like a governingbody, a thousand percent.

Lynn (01:07:37):
And also you're going to fucking do that to a lawyer.
Yeah, yeah right right right,not only your business is going
to have a fucking horriblereputation, you're going to get
your pantsuit off.

Matt (01:07:48):
Plus their teeth is essentially the business card
for that dentist's office.

Lynn (01:07:51):
Plus, I don't think there's much you could do to
make that guy ugly.

Matt (01:07:54):
Yeah, that is true.

Lynn (01:07:57):
And finally, less than two weeks.

Matt (01:07:59):
How would you wreck veneers?
Just make them not even, oh God, make them vampire teeth.

Lynn (01:08:03):
You could make ugly veneers.

Matt (01:08:06):
You could make them vampire teeth.
You could make ugly veneers.
Do you want to know whathappened?
I'd give them vampire teeth.

Lynn (01:08:08):
That'd be fun Fucking wicked, yeah, when I worked at a
dental office in Richmond Hill,there was this one girl she's a
lady, okay, she was in her 50s,she had children.
She, okay, first of all, sheeither felt one way or another

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about me.
Either way, it was passion,like she either fucking oh yeah,
at the time that I worked withher, like two and a half years,
she either fucking hated me andmade my life torture yeah, I
could see that or sorry,continue or she was like so
clingy, like it was like my kids, like I want to put your face
against my face.
No, the one time she was like wewere all sitting at the front
desk, it was a Saturday and likeI was like three rows down from

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her, we were just like doingpaperwork, catching up on stuff,
and she goes oh Lenny, you'reso far away, You've got to come
closer to me.
All the other people were likewhat the fuck is going on?
And two weeks before that sheliterally would have set my body

(01:09:13):
on fire and watch me burn Idon't know what her deal was.
But she ended up, uh, she had toget.
Well, she didn't have to, butshe did get veneers, yeah, and
through our office, and she hadher own lab guy.
So usually it's the dental workplus the lab cost.
So she got all of her teethwere like I think she did from.
Like her, I think she did 10 ontop, 10 on bottom.

Matt (01:09:26):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:09:27):
And it ended up costing her something like $320, which
is insane.
Usually well back at that time.
That was.

Matt (01:09:35):
There's no lab fees.

Lynn (01:09:37):
Well, she paid only the lab, because our dentist did it
all for free.

Matt (01:09:40):
Oh, okay.

Lynn (01:09:41):
But then she ended up getting fired because she went.
We worked in a mall it was adental office in a mall and she
would leave and just go shoppingfor like an hour oh, she worked
with you.
Yeah, yeah, okay, and so shewould just leave and she'd go
and walk around the mall for anhour and, like someone, ended up
telling on her and she had beenno, it wasn't me, but she had

(01:10:02):
been there for seven years andshe'd always really pushed the
limits Like she.
Even they had to send her tosensitivity training because, as
I just described.
she was off kilter Like she wasthere was something off about
her and uh, they so they senther like they paid for a
sensitivity training and theyput her through this and whatnot
.
But then so they fired her andlike they were like listen,

(01:10:23):
we've written you up like 45,000times, like you have to go.
And then she left and thensomething happened where one of
her veneers popped off, thesefree veneers that they had done
for her.
She got an insane deal throughthe lab and she had the audacity
to come back in and ask them toput it back on for free.
I'm like at what point do youjust fucking pay?

Matt (01:10:44):
someone else to do it.
Yeah, yeah, don't come back.

Lynn (01:10:46):
You went to sensitivity training.
You fucked off for an hour andshopped in the mall like
multiple times.

Matt (01:10:50):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:10:51):
And then you have the audacity to come back into your
old that fired you, yeah.
Like with your tail, and hertail was not immature like small
no.
She was like it was wagging.
Yeah, it was just out there Ithink of when I think of veneers
, but um, do they have to?

Matt (01:11:04):
pull your teeth for veneers.

Lynn (01:11:05):
No, they just shave down the front of it.

Matt (01:11:07):
What's the difference between veneers and dentures
then?

Lynn (01:11:09):
A lot, oh, really, oh yeah .

Matt (01:11:11):
So what, why?
Why would you get veneers overdentures or dentures over
veneers?
Well you, still.

Lynn (01:11:16):
Your teeth are still in your mouth when so veneers are,
it goes over your teeth.
It doesn't go over your teeth,that's a crown.
Oh okay, a crown would be.
They shave it kind of into likea cone kind of, and then they
bond the crown.
The whole thing on it, veneer,is like it goes on the front of

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your tooth.

Matt (01:11:48):
And is it?
Do you get a veneer and havelike 10 teeth?

Lynn (01:11:49):
attached to it, or it's one on every one at a time.
You got to put one over everysingle tooth, yes, and then it's
bonded, so they shave it downso that it's a rough surface, so
that they can bond it on andcure it to your natural tooth if
I took all of my veneers off,would you and smile?

Matt (01:11:59):
could you still see my teeth as regular looking, or are
they kind of shaved to likeposts or that?

Lynn (01:12:04):
would.
That would be a crown, a veneeris shaved down the front of
your tooth.
So like it'll be a roughsurface.

Matt (01:12:11):
Yeah, you know what?
Because I have grinded off allof my enamel and I was thinking
about veneers or something atsome point if I need to.

Lynn (01:12:21):
Yeah, I mean you could do veneers, or something.
That would probably be yourbest option.

Matt (01:12:25):
They are extremely expensive though you just said
$300, so that was $325 for 10.
Oh yeah, which is not normal.
It's usually like the lab.

Lynn (01:12:37):
When she was getting it done it was usually like $600
lab cost alone for one toothRight, so she was playing an
absurdly low amount of money.
Wow, wow.
And that's why I was like youknow what fucking you just saved
bajillions of dollars.

Matt (01:12:52):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:12:53):
Go to another dentist and have them put it back on.
But anyways, yeah so she wantedRyan to get his teeth ruined.
There's a million ways theycould have done that, even just
for perfect example.
Example, she could have justnot bonded it on properly, and
then he could be you know infront of a court and all of a
sudden, his tooth pops up but noyour honor, oh listen.

Matt (01:13:12):
I'd like to object to this .
Please like a continuance.

Lynn (01:13:15):
so, finally, less than two weeks from the day that ryan
would sadly be killed, on theday that his beauty queen date
waited for him, Shana would senda text to her friend Ryan, and
her had made a date to go to ashooting range later that night.
And so Shana wrote to herfriend Christy when I go to the

(01:13:39):
shooting range with Ryan tonight, I want to turn around, shoot
him and kill him and play likeit was an accident.

Matt (01:13:44):
All right, Listen.
Just a quick heads up to allkillers out there If you're
going to kill, shut the fuck upabout it beforehand.

Lynn (01:13:51):
Matt, you know what Stop being on the side of the killer.

Matt (01:13:54):
You always give advice to the killers I do Right.
Never mind If you're going tokill, tell a bunch of people
beforehand.

Lynn (01:13:59):
So, like I said, like now you can see, shane is not just
this poor young girl who'shaving a hard time moving on
from a guy that she really caredabout.
Like this is dangerous, noweven though it's joking and you
know what the difference betweenI mean.
Do women joke about killingtheir significant others?
Yes, it's Wednesday and I'vesaid it 17,000 times this week.

(01:14:19):
But the only difference betweenme and Shayna is that my
husband's not dead.

Matt (01:14:26):
Right.

Lynn (01:14:27):
And that's what distinguishes a joke from
reality.

Matt (01:14:30):
And the lack of nudity on your part in your daily life is
atrocious.
You know what I have a lot ofkids and I just don't.

Lynn (01:14:36):
My goal right now is not fuck them up by being naked on a
couch.

Matt (01:14:39):
On a couch so here we are.

Lynn (01:14:42):
Can we watch?

Matt (01:14:42):
Bluey.
Oh my God.

Lynn (01:14:45):
Why are you painting what the hell?
So you know, like I said toMatt this morning, I think that
I was going to murder him.

Matt (01:14:55):
I said I will shoot you in the face.

Lynn (01:14:56):
I said her exact quote I've never held a gun, so I
don't even know fucking how todo that.
And he's still very much alive.
Yep For now.

Matt (01:15:04):
Oh, my God.

Lynn (01:15:08):
So on Thursday, October the 11th, which, if you remember
, is the day before Ryan waskilled for whatever reason,
shana accompanied Ryan to hisparents' home to watch the
presidential debate.
All right, what year is this?
2012.
So it was Biden and Ryan, ryan,ryan.

Matt (01:15:29):
It's a last name 2012.

Lynn (01:15:32):
Yeah, and it wasn't Biden, for it would be him for Vice.

Matt (01:15:35):
Oh, so it was Barack, and.

Lynn (01:15:38):
Yeah, barack was 2008 to 2016,.
Right, so McCain was JohnMcCain back then.
Then, oh god, we can't talkamerican politics right now.
Yeah, good point.
This isn't taylor swift hour.

Matt (01:15:52):
I don't know anything that we're talking about I was just
curious to see what debate thatwas but it doesn't really matter
, let's look it up.
All right um hey siri, who arethe candidates for president of
the United States of America in2012.

Lynn (01:16:04):
I'm going to do October 11th 2012 presidential debate.

Matt (01:16:10):
Thank you, I'm going to say Biden, and what's her name,
biden?

Lynn (01:16:16):
versus Ryan.

Matt (01:16:17):
Ryan, yeah, who the hell is?

Lynn (01:16:18):
Ryan.
I'll tell you in one secondhere.
Joe Biden and Paul Ryan.

Matt (01:16:23):
Okay, so he was probably that Mitt Romney romney's guy
okay, well that answers thatquestion, all right uh, america,
fuck.
Yeah.
Also, we should announce somegood news for our american
subscribers that the tariff warhas ceased and therefore prices
will remain the same for ouramerican customers, as we were

(01:16:45):
going to double them forretaliatory purposes, to start a
trade war we just all of asudden, in the middle of a case,
we just started talking aboutamerican politics, because we're
definitely in a position totalk about american politics
hell yeah so, for whateverreason, ryan ended up having
shana accompany him to hisparents house, which kind of

(01:17:06):
seems like a mixed signal to me.
Yeah, that's a big commitmentactually, especially a debate.
It's not like coming over fordinner and we're going to shoot
this shit.
You've got to watch TV Fullyclosed.
Yeah, fully closed, which isnot easy Not her wheelhouse.

Lynn (01:17:18):
It's not how I like to watch a debate, Especially when
it's a Trump debate, especiallywhen it's a Trump debate.
So you know, something happenedlater on we don't know really
and at about three in themorning Shana called her mother
crying and, like her mom, hername is Sharon.

(01:17:40):
She's a retired teacher.
I've watched a bunch ofinterviews with her and she said
like she could hear the pain inher voice.
And again, her mother lives 80miles away.
So she said she was worried forher daughter.
So she started driving outthere and at about five 30 in
the morning she made her way toRyan's condo, but Shana, of
course, wouldn't go home withher.
Sharon said that Shana wantedher mom to come inside and she

(01:18:04):
just wanted them to lie on thecouch together and for her mom
to rub her feet.

Matt (01:18:08):
Oh, I was like hey, mom, let's get comfortable.
Wait, what are we?
Why are we just going to getnaked?

Lynn (01:18:14):
You know, you're always such a naked baby, you never
grow out of it, but could youimagine me waking up the next
day, and not only as a girl?
You don't want yourmother-in-law, your mom is
rubbing your feet.

Matt (01:18:25):
Oh, I see you've made yourself extremely at home and
comfortable like I just I don't.

Lynn (01:18:31):
That would be so overwhelming.
I think so personally.
If I had to guess, I wouldthink that after ryan went to
sleep, based on everything elsewe know about shana, including
the fact that you know she alsowould brag to her friends that
she would break into hisFacebook account all the time
and would block females and shewould like pictures of hers.

Matt (01:18:55):
But he didn't.

Lynn (01:18:57):
And she would comment random things.

Matt (01:19:00):
Desperation is a stinky cologne, In this case perfume.

Lynn (01:19:06):
If I had to guess and put my money on something, I would
think that she probably saw thebeauty queen conversation.
Oh, yes, and maybe that was whyshe was hyperventilating and
calling him at 3 o'clock in themorning.

Matt (01:19:21):
Right, mom, he's going on a date.
I'm sorry.
Did you not just bang like 10dudes, like over the last 365?

Lynn (01:19:30):
Yeah, patrick's here, so you know that's conjecture on my
end.
I don't know that.

Matt (01:19:37):
What is conjecture?

Lynn (01:19:38):
Just like my own opinion, my own spin on things.

Matt (01:19:39):
No, what was that?
Patrick was there.

Lynn (01:19:41):
No, the fact that maybe she saw that conversation.

Matt (01:19:45):
Oh, yes, yes, yes, a hundred percent, yeah, but I, I
would.
That's a pretty logical yeah.

Lynn (01:19:51):
So, ryan, would awake to all fucking sorts of weirdness.
And well you know, it'sprobably not his favorite way to
wake up.
So he just was like all right,I'm going to go to work then.

Matt (01:20:03):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:20:04):
No one thing I didn't put in my script here.
But Ryan lived in a two-bedroomapartment and because no one
else lived with him, he had oneroom for just his ties.

Matt (01:20:13):
Oh.

Lynn (01:20:13):
And he had a fucking lot of ties, oh my God.
So, yeah, he would go to work.
And Shana was, I think, tryingto get attention.
She said that her mom was therebecause she had to take her to
the hospital because she washaving heart problems not heart
problems she was saying herchest hurt and she said that she
had high blood pressure.

(01:20:33):
So they were running tests.
And da, da, da, da.
I don't know if they ever wentto the hospital.
What I do know I'm going toassume.
No, they went to the mall.

Matt (01:20:40):
Wow, that's right up there .
It's the same there wasprobably a pharmacy in the mall.

Lynn (01:20:44):
Six one half dozen of the other Right.
One of the mall workers wouldlater be called on to testify
because she had actually likekind of clocked, like she was
watching her because she waslike very upset and then she was
on the phone and the retailworker kept hearing her say I'm
going to kill him, I'm going tokill him, I'm going to kill him.

Matt (01:21:07):
Oh, going to kill him, I'm going to kill him, I'm going to
kill him.

Lynn (01:21:09):
Oh my god, maybe poker face?
What store do we know?
I don't know.
Like what does she?

Matt (01:21:11):
she doesn't have a lot of, probably wasn't the food court.

Lynn (01:21:13):
Nobody's upset in the food court it's probably a clothing
store, if there's a burritoanywhere near me or a colonel's
wasn't a colonel's no, god,please.
So, yeah, she said she had highblood pressure and, uh, that her
mom was there to take her andlater on in that night, which
was so.
This is Friday, october the12th.
Sadly, ryan only has a fewhours left to live and he was

(01:21:38):
excited to be meeting up withthis beauty queen and he was
leaving work that day and afellow attorney and friend of
his whose name was Ken Hawley hewas saying like okay, bye, like
I'm going on my date and hisadministrative assistant, her
name was Lori Zimmerman.
She said that as he was leavingthat day, he looked so excited

(01:21:59):
and he was like, lori, I have adate with the beauty queen
tonight.
And Lori was like, hey, she'slike I got a bad feeling.
She's like I've seen firsthand.
She's like if Shana can't get ahold of Ryan on his cell phone,
she would call the receptiondesk, and if she couldn't get a
hold of the reception desk shewould show up and she's like she
would cause a scene sometimes.
So she's like you know, I don'tthink this is going to end well

(01:22:20):
and that's how she felt.
And his last words were to herdon't be worried about me, I got
this.

Matt (01:22:28):
So she voiced her concerns .

Lynn (01:22:30):
Yes, she did.

Matt (01:22:31):
God, that's got to be such a tough spot for her.
Well, I mean he said thoseexact things too right, yeah.

Lynn (01:22:37):
Like he said, like she's not like she clinically needs
help.
I'm not just saying that to belike making a what is it?
A mountain out of a molehill.

Matt (01:22:45):
But what if?
Even if you went to the policeand said, hey, like I mean.

Lynn (01:22:48):
There's nothing?
No, I wouldn't think.
And also in Kentucky law.
So yesterday, we don't get.
You have to live with someonein order to get a protective
order on them.
Oh, I love it, which isinsanity to me right.

Matt (01:23:02):
Oh, I'd like the protective order.

Lynn (01:23:08):
Sure, what did this person do?
I tried to kill me all.
Right, where's his?

Matt (01:23:10):
residence down the street.
No, we're not gonna be able todo that, so that's crazy.
What do you?
Um, just lock your door?
Yeah, uh, get in a relationshipwith him, marry him, move in,
and then we'll get you you knowwe'll help you then, which is
insane to me, like that justseems so I'm sorry, we only get
protective orders to roommatesyeah, you're fucking get off.

Lynn (01:23:24):
You're wasting my time.
There's a married couple herethat we have time for, so Ryan
had messaged Shana and he toldher that he was going to need
some time on his own thisweekend.
Not good.
She seemingly took this quitewell.

Matt (01:23:38):
That's the biggest red flag of all Wave that flag she's
so easygoing.
Oh, that's cool.
I don't even, I'm not even nudein your couch right now.

Lynn (01:23:47):
I definitely don't think you're seeing a beauty queen
later on today Definitely didn'tcreep into your Facebook and
like a bunch of my own pics.

Matt (01:23:52):
Anyways, I'm getting more palpitations in my heart.
Better get back to the hospitalwith my mom.

Lynn (01:23:58):
So yeah, like when she took it well, I got to wonder if
she was actually taking it well.

Matt (01:24:04):
Yeah, her go-to for her character should have been like
oh, you have a date, that's fine.
I wish I could date.
I can't because I'm in thehospital dying of heart disease,
but that's cool.
I'm glad that you are strongenough to have fun.
I'm actually jealous because Ican't walk because of all this
heart disease I have.

Lynn (01:24:24):
Ladies, he's not passive-aggressive, that's fun.
Like I said before, she livedquite a distance away, right?
So she told him okay, that'sfine, that's great.
I'm just going to come by andI'm going to grab some things.
I want to get some bath stuffand I'm just going to go to the
Marriott for the night.

Matt (01:24:41):
Okay, so you're going to drive an hour and a half, pick
up a couple of things and thenjust stay in the hotel again.

Lynn (01:24:47):
Yeah, no issues here.
Yeah, everything seems great.
Why don't you just grab your umPantene, provi, I don't know
from.

Matt (01:24:53):
Pantene Provi Vito Sassoon Is that still his name.
I think so.
Pantene Provi.

Lynn (01:25:01):
Vidal Sassoon the last name, whoever it was the heir to
that, used to be on well forone season on Beverly Hills.

Matt (01:25:09):
The Sassoon, the Sassoons, oh my God, hi, we're the
Sassoons.
Oh, from Vidal, that's correct.
This is my wife.
She's a Sassoon.
It does feel weird.

Lynn (01:25:21):
eh.
What happened next?
We can only speculate, becauseI mean, we have Shana's word,
but she is a fucking liar, so Imean that means nothing.
At 8.53 pm, though, shanaHubers called 911 from Ryan's
condo, and the first line thatshe said to the dispatcher was
ma'am, I killed my boyfriend inself-defense.

Matt (01:25:41):
Oh, okay, that's not really.
You could mention that Iwouldn't open with it.

Lynn (01:25:48):
You really don't.
You just don't know.
I could sit here all day andsay I don't think me.
Giving my defense first wouldbe the way I would have that
conversation.
But again.

Matt (01:25:59):
I mean, ideally you'd be freaking out over somebody who's
dying or dead.
Yeah, and that's your primaryconcern.

Lynn (01:26:06):
Well, ideally, we also's your primary concern.
Well, ideally, we also willfind out.
Shana's first call wasn't to911.
It was to her mom.

Matt (01:26:11):
Yeah, her mom's like girl.

Lynn (01:26:13):
you got to stop calling me Mom.

Matt (01:26:14):
This is fucking annoying.
First of all, I'm tired fromlast night, mom, I got great
news my heart problem's gone.
Yeah, all of a sudden I I canbreathe fine.

Lynn (01:26:23):
So bad, though Like it's actually it's so sad.
So when the dispatcher asks herhow long ago she killed him,
she says 15 minutes ago, and thereason, like I said, was
because she called her mom first.
Her mom was like okay, can youplease call 911?
What would also become clearwas that Ryan had come home that

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day and once again found Shanain his condo.
He likely had taken his gun outof the holster, as he always
did, and laid it on the diningroom table.
At one point he fled and helocked himself in his bedroom,
which does not seem like she wasdoing anything in self-defense.
He fled, yeah, and she Googledhow to pick a house lock with a
bobby pin.

Matt (01:27:05):
Well, I mean you just kind of stick it in Right and
interior doors, it's just gotthe little hole.
I guess sometimes yeah, butlike to actually pick a lock.
You need a couple of tools.

Lynn (01:27:17):
Really, yeah, okay, I don't know, you need a
screwdriver and then you need apicker.
Okay, easy, no big deal, soobviously she was successful.
The table that Ryan had laidhis gun on Okay, I was trying to
figure out the best way toexplain this to you.
But so when you walk in, sayhis door is right here, okay,

(01:27:39):
and in his dining room this isnot great for audio.
I'll post a picture.
Yeah, maybe I'll post it.

Matt (01:27:47):
I'll draw a picture.

Lynn (01:27:48):
It's a lot better than posting what it actually looked
like.
He had an oval table.

Matt (01:27:53):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:27:53):
And it had four chairs.
Two of the chairs were backedonto a wall.

Matt (01:27:58):
Okay, okay, you can picture yeah, a little corner
table.
Yeah, exactly.

Lynn (01:28:01):
Ryan was at the chair, that his back had a wall to it
and the right side of him had awall to him.
Okay, does not sound likesomebody who's the aggressor.
You know what I mean?
No, he's literally backed intoa corner.
Yep, and Shana was even in herown story, in her own version of
things.
She had her back to the door.

(01:28:25):
So she's going to give us acouple different stories and one
of them she said that know, shehad left, he had asked her to
leave, she had left.
Then she came back to get stuff.
I just don't think you can,even in her version, which is
always a lie.
You can't go back into thatsituation.

(01:28:46):
You know what I mean.

Matt (01:28:47):
Like no, you're just kind of looking for trouble.

Lynn (01:28:49):
Exactly.

Matt (01:28:50):
I mean you can rearrange a time later, but I think you're
done for the day.
Exactly the one visit, that'senough.

Lynn (01:28:56):
So she said she had left and then she showed back up and
when she went in there she goes.
He was right there, the gun wassitting in away from him and
then she shot him.
Ryan's downstairs neighbors,vernon and Doris West, would say
that they heard two gunshots,which at first they thought were

(01:29:18):
fireworks, but after a veryshort pause they then heard four
more.
Oh, wow, yes, and they knewlike that's when they knew it
was gunshots.
When asked if they had heardanything like a scuffle or a
loud argument, they said thatthey had not and they confirmed
that they had heard things inthe past.

Matt (01:29:36):
So they would have you know, recognized it for what it
was but not that night.

Lynn (01:29:40):
They only heard those, those gunshots.
When the police arrived, shanawas immediately taken to the
Highland Heights policedepartment, where she was put
into interrogation room 116 andread her Miranda rights.
I mean, I guess, due to thefact that she was forcefully
putting herself upon a lawyer,she at least knew that she

(01:30:02):
should instantly request anattorney, and she did.

Matt (01:30:05):
No, no, I don't want it.
Wait, who'd she kill?

Lynn (01:30:09):
Nope you know the second that someone requests an
attorney, all questions stops,yeah.
So when Lieutenant Dave Fornashsat down with her, she said I
want an attorney, and heinformed her Okay, we're ceasing
all questioning.
Then, however, shana would notshut the fuck up.

Matt (01:30:31):
They never do.
I'm always shocked at how muchpeople fucking talk when they
shouldn't.
You know what.

Lynn (01:30:38):
It's ego, I think I can absolutely agree with you and
know what you're talking about.
This is so far beyond that.
They said they had to startswitching out officers because
they were getting tired of beingin the room with her talking
that much.
Oh my God, they were literallylike I can't fucking listen, my
ears are bleeding, and like they, and they couldn't ask any

(01:31:00):
questions right, which I thinkwould be second nature.

Matt (01:31:01):
Oh, you can't.

Lynn (01:31:03):
They cannot ask her any questions.

Matt (01:31:04):
I thought if they continue to talk then it's back on the
table.
But only she's talking, onlyshe's talking, so they can't
investigate until the lawyergets there.

Lynn (01:31:14):
They don't need to no.

Matt (01:31:16):
Yeah, yeah, you're right yeah.

Lynn (01:31:17):
Yeah, you're right, they're just, she's literally
yeah.

Matt (01:31:21):
One cop just got his feet up, hand me that confession form
and get, give me a pen me a pen, literally and like okay she's
gonna say later on that she hasthe iq of einstein.

Lynn (01:31:34):
Oh boy.
She says she was gonna try toclaim insanity, but she has the
iq of einstein, so she couldn'tI think einstein's first theory
was e equals naked on the couchinstead of mc square.
I'm never gonna shut the fuckup after I ask for an attorney
science for naked on so likeit's actually insane to watch,
because it's like two hours and40 minutes and at the end of it
they're like okay, well, we'rejust gonna take you in now,

(01:31:54):
because you've literally saideverything so way to invoke your
right to counsel insane.
It's like she was smart enoughto get that far, yeah, and then
it just all went to shit oh manso at first it was for Nash, the
, the Lieutenant there, and heat first he's like, he seems
like a really sweet guy.
He just I could not see himbeing a cop when he he was the

(01:32:17):
one to finally tell her thatthey were going to charge her
with murder.
And he's like okay, so we'rejust going to, we're going to
charge it with murder, and hejust kind of seemed like he was
tripping over himself a littlebit.

Matt (01:32:28):
But he could not believe.
Yeah, no, you're right, you'reright, fair enough I have been
to restaurants that have notserved me food like this.
No, exactly, has been served tome on a platter.

Lynn (01:32:37):
He's like so when he's leaving the room he's like do
you smoke?
And she goes, I will if I can.
And then they have like thislittle chuckle between the two
of them.

Matt (01:32:57):
Okay, this is so fucking diabolical.

Lynn (01:32:57):
And so he's like, ha, ha, and he goes to leave and she's
like, and she like starts likeshe's sobbing, yeah.
And so it's literally like thisand he goes, you're okay,
you're okay.
And he closes.
She goes as soon as the doorcloses.
She sits up straight, startslooking at her fingernails and
then a smirk goes on her face.
It's literally like she turnedit right off wow, and it's like
you fucking you gotta seriouslydon't know.
These rooms are being recorded,yeah right the fucking chief is

(01:33:19):
in the next room watchingeverything in real time giant
mirror, yeah, and you're likeyou don't have the moving mirror
with those shadows behind it.
Is anything Insane though Likeshe, just she's like, and then
just looks at her fingernails.
It was crazy, wow.
So, like I said, they had toswitch out officers because

(01:33:40):
these guys fucking couldn'tlisten or talk that long.

Matt (01:33:43):
Hey, sarge, I got to go on leave.
Oh my God, were you shot atWorse.
I was in this room with afucking mouthpiece.
Oh say no more.

Lynn (01:33:50):
You're done 30 days You're good bro, but can you imagine,
though, like your instinct as acop is probably to make them go
on Like let's ask you a question, Like it's gotta be so
difficult to not just saysomething.

Matt (01:34:02):
Yeah, well, I mean, sure I'm wrong, but you want to get
them talking Right, you want toget them comfortable Right.
And she's, she went zero to 60.

Lynn (01:34:12):
She's fine, she started at 60.

Matt (01:34:14):
So, yeah, they're good.

Lynn (01:34:18):
And yeah so it just it's so crazy and you can watch the
entire thing on Cops arelaughing and high-fiving in the
back Can you believe this shit.

Matt (01:34:23):
We don't have to do, my God right, like it's a huge case
.

Lynn (01:34:27):
They literally had to hand it to them on a silver platter.
Wow, she goes on and on and onabout how you know it was
self-defense.
Now she's saying remember,before she just had come back
into the apartment and he wasthere, reached for his gun, oh
yeah.
Now she's saying that he wasthrowing her all around the
apartment, he threw her into thebookcase, he was ramming her

(01:34:48):
head and face into things.
But do you remember at thebeginning of the case.

Matt (01:34:52):
She must be very bruised up then I would think Her face
has got to be battered andbruised.

Lynn (01:34:56):
Do you remember at the beginning of the case, when I
told you about all the bulletsthat Ryan had on display?

Matt (01:34:59):
Yes, that were sitting on their base.

Lynn (01:35:01):
Yes, they were still perfectly upright.

Matt (01:35:04):
Wait.
So then, after he hit her headinto the bookcase, you're
telling me, you then rearrangehis bullets again.

Lynn (01:35:10):
Yes, gotcha, all right, no none of it fucking happened
because she is a liar.

Matt (01:35:15):
Oh my God.

Lynn (01:35:15):
So you know, she fucking clearly is a moron.

Matt (01:35:21):
I mean ideally, you know body, check the bookcase and
maybe smash your head up againstthe wall a little bit.
Again, I don't want to giveadvice to the killers, but you
just did.

Lynn (01:35:31):
But in reality she but you just did.
First of all, it took her 15minutes to call 911.
You shot this poor man.

Matt (01:35:41):
She did want to call her mom first, though.

Lynn (01:35:43):
There's so many, thank God .
She's a fucking idiot, but inall that time that she was doing
all these horrific things, shecould have at least staged
something, but no she's stupidand thank God Like keep being
stupid.
Later on in the interrogationroom, which, unbeknownst to
Shana, is being watched in realtime, she would say that she was

(01:36:05):
sitting on the floor in thedining room and Ryan was where
they had found him, but he was,you know, gesturing wildly and
then he reached across the tableand she didn't know if he was
going to go for her face or thegun.
But then she reached up and shegrabbed the gun and she shot up
to him.
But the problem with that isthat there's a trajectory.

Matt (01:36:26):
Oh, yes, bullets go.

Lynn (01:36:27):
You know what?

Matt (01:36:28):
I mean Angles.

Lynn (01:36:30):
And that trajectory.
Oh yeah, bullets go.
You know what I mean angles,and that's not the way ryan was
shot downward.
Oh so she was standing abovehim when it happened.
But you know, either way, shegrabbed his six sour
semi-automatic, turned thesafety off and she shot this
poor man six times total.
But she said that her reasoningwas because he she had to keep

(01:36:54):
shooting because he was stillmoving towards her.

Matt (01:36:57):
The people like has nobody ever watched one episode of?

Lynn (01:37:01):
CSI.
I think at this point you couldjust watch fucking Brooklyn
Nine-Nine and figure it out.

Matt (01:37:07):
Like this isn't.
You know, I know this is sorudimentary, Basic, it's basic.
I know this is so rudimentary,Basic, it's basic.

Lynn (01:37:11):
I know, but so yeah, so he's still moving forward, right
, oh God.
The problem with that is thatthe first shot that she did went
into his head and there was noblood on the front of his shirt
because his head went down onthe table instantly.
Gravity would have drawn thatblood down onto his shirt.
Yes, but because his head wentdown on his table instantly and

(01:37:34):
there was a puddle which exactlyfit that logic.
Yeah, he wasn't.
Ryan was never fucking movingtowards her.
Yeah, she's a bullshit artist.
I would not call her an artist,I would call her Right.

Matt (01:37:44):
It's a.
It's offensive to people thatwork at Subway.
It's offensive to people thatwork at Subway.
True sandwich.

Lynn (01:37:48):
Artists of our time, they're skilled individuals,
yeah right.
So you know, Shana, I'm goingto say this verbatim because,
fuck, I couldn't say it better.
If I tried, she would say holdon, give me one second.
I just got to plug my.

Matt (01:38:01):
I will give you no seconds and call you out for your
unprofessional behavior.

Lynn (01:38:07):
I was like for sure I'm going to have enough time that I
have a full charge andeverything's going to be fine.

Matt (01:38:13):
But no.

Lynn (01:38:14):
And now my battery savers on because it's like you're an
idiot.

Matt (01:38:16):
It's like, hey, we're going to save this battery for
you.

Lynn (01:38:19):
Because obviously you're not smart enough to do it on
your own.

Matt (01:38:24):
Can I just ask you an off topic question?
Sure, will you be watching theSuper Bowl this weekend with
Taylor?
Of course I will.
And this is bullshit, by theway, that they only show her now
when he makes a play, the sameamount of times they show his
mom.
It's garbage.

Lynn (01:38:41):
Well, I mean, what are we looking at really?
Just Taylor looking atsomething.

Matt (01:38:43):
Yes, that's all I want to see.
That's the only reason I watchfootball.

Lynn (01:38:47):
Did you see how smoking hot she looked at the Grammys?
Jesus H, that dress.
Oh my God, she's a completedime.

Matt (01:38:55):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:38:55):
And she was so happy for everybody that was winning, and
she didn't win any.
She was nominated for sixthings and was the first person
to stand up when someone elsewon out of one of the categories
that she yeah, she's an angel.

Matt (01:39:09):
Yeah, she always talks about how people always make fun
of her award shows.
Fuck them For dancing andsinging along.
And she's like she said theseaward shows that I go to, I'm
like front row and these are thegreatest performers of the year
.

Lynn (01:39:25):
Right.

Matt (01:39:25):
And people just sit on their hands.
That's so disrespectful.

Lynn (01:39:29):
I love being so close to the live music and not to
mention I mean not for anything,but I mean if Taylor Swift goes
to a concert, even if she is inlike a VIP box kind of thing,
it's just a bunch of peoplestaring up at her, like as it is
at the football games.

Matt (01:39:41):
I'm sure.

Lynn (01:39:42):
At least this is kind of.
She's amongst her peers.

Matt (01:39:44):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:39:44):
These people are also famous in their own right, so
fuck, she can just let loose andjust do what she wants to do.

Matt (01:39:50):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:39:51):
So this is what Shayna said verbatim.

Matt (01:39:53):
I wish you'd shut up about Taylor Swift.
You're always bringing it up.

Lynn (01:39:56):
I know and I will not stop .
So don't try to stifle me.
I'm like Shayna.

Matt (01:40:01):
Show up on Taylor Swift's couch Cannot be stifled.
I will be nude, however, on acouch.
So did you see the tea that shehad for travis on her upper
thigh?
Was that a tea for her or teafor him?
Well, one of her songs.

Lynn (01:40:15):
The lyrics are um what if he's written mine on my upper
thigh, only in my mind?
So it's like on her upper thigh.
It's got like his little and Ithink it is for him for sure.
Why would she have it for her?

Matt (01:40:24):
yeah, and they're doing, they're doing scx right?

Lynn (01:40:27):
yeah, for sure, it's a full relationship, yeah All
right, I will not discuss sweetangel baby Taylor Swift's love
life.

Matt (01:40:33):
I was just curious if you think they do stuff like that.

Lynn (01:40:35):
Oh my God, of course Any fetishes no.
Stop it.
Don't talk about her like that,just standard stuff.
I'm not getting into this withyou.
Whoa, what do you think worstpart of this case?
You're talking about Taylor andTravis.

Matt (01:40:47):
I wonder if he's in anything weird Huh.
I wonder if he's in anythingweird.

Lynn (01:40:51):
They're beautiful and perfect and maybe she likes that
.

Matt (01:40:55):
he's into that weird sex thing.
Great, that's good for them.

Lynn (01:40:58):
Fucking, let this die.

Matt (01:40:59):
I wonder what it is though .

Lynn (01:41:02):
It's none of your fucking business.
So you know, she said, and Iquote I couldn't stand to watch
him twitch.
I knew he was going to die orhave a completely deformed face.
He's very vain.
One of our last conversationswe had that was good was that he
wanted my best friend to do hisveneers and he wants to get a

(01:41:25):
nose job just that kind ofperson.
And I shot him right here,gesturing to the middle of her
face.
I gave him that nose job justthat kind of person.
And I shot him right here,gesturing to the middle of her
face.
I gave him that nose job hewanted oh, holy shit, like she's
a psycho she's.

Matt (01:41:38):
Like it's not just like a scorned, like, uh, passion or
crime of passion, like this is amethodical wow and all of these
seasoned cops are in the otherroom like what the fuck did she?

Lynn (01:41:50):
just say Wow I gave him that nose job he wanted, and
then she giggles.
That's fucking diabolical.

Matt (01:41:58):
You know, the nude on the couch thing should have been a
red flag for me.
I saw it as a green flag.
Should have been a red one.

Lynn (01:42:05):
What did Jodi Arias do, remember?
She used to go in the doggydoor and fucking vacuum in the
middle of the night.
One what did jodi aries do,remember?
She used to go in the doggydoor and fucking vacuum in the
middle of the night.
Like that's a good move, ma'am.
You're making yourself tooavailable.
If you can't see that, thenthere's something.

Matt (01:42:16):
Not, you're not firing on all eight you don't have to play
games to play the game here'sthe thing with guys yeah we
overanalyze men too much yeswhat you see is what you get yes
they're not for the.

Lynn (01:42:31):
I mean.
Mean, I'm sure there'sexceptions to every rule, but
I've come to know what myhusband's saying and thinking
usually one and the same, Asidefrom when I show him beauty
queens and he picks out aninvisible flaw so that I don't
kick him in the face.

Matt (01:42:44):
Oh, she's way too tall.
What's your six one?

Lynn (01:42:48):
Oh my God, are Way too tall, which is 6'1".

Matt (01:42:51):
Oh, my god, are those hip bones Woof?
Oh, look at those giantperfectly round boobs.

Lynn (01:42:54):
Ew, so, after this, after this.
So this was a woman cop thatwas in there with her at this
point in time.
She was probably like, okay,what the fuck did she just?

Matt (01:43:04):
say the horror.

Lynn (01:43:06):
So she leaves Sheena's in the room all by herself and you
know, throughout this entire twohours and 40 minutes she's
crying.
There's never any fucking tears.
She laughs a bunch.
It's a fucking horrificinterrogation to watch.
But she starts, so this womancop leaves and then Shayna's

(01:43:31):
walking around and she's singing.

Matt (01:43:33):
It's like pacing in the room.

Lynn (01:43:35):
She's pacing no, not really pacing, she's doing
ballet, she's beauty Literal.
I swear to God, matt, I willshow you the Come off it Nude.

Matt (01:43:44):
No clothes probably.

Lynn (01:43:46):
Definitely clothes and boring clothes.
It's like jeans and like ahoodie.

Matt (01:43:49):
Oh my God, who would wear a fucking hoodie?
What a loser Shut up.

Lynn (01:43:54):
So do you remember when Jodi Ears was doing her thing
and she was singing?
Oh Holy Night.

Matt (01:43:57):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:43:58):
In July, uh-huh.
That's fucking normal.
Some Dido song she sang too.

Matt (01:44:02):
Was it?
Thank you, no Tears gone cold.
I'm wondering why.

Lynn (01:44:07):
And then she just starts doing the Eminem part.

Matt (01:44:08):
Yeah, I was singing, dido.
Thank you, but I don't do theEminem part.

Lynn (01:44:14):
I'm like that's not.
Yeah, jodi, do you remember shewas like God?
You could have at least doneyour makeup.

Matt (01:44:18):
Jodi Geez, who said that Jodi did when she was in hers.

Lynn (01:44:23):
So this fucking piece of shit.
Honestly she might even be.

Matt (01:44:26):
Hall of Famer.

Lynn (01:44:27):
I think she might be worse than Jodi Arias.
She was doing ballet, she wasdoing pirouettes, she sang
Amazing Grace.
She just kept asking for water.
After two and a half hoursthere was like six paper cups of
water and at one point, whichyou have to see this I'll get
Krista included here, actually,because it is only a tidbit, but

(01:44:50):
she's walking and she goes.
I did it, yes, I did it.
I can't believe I did that likea, like a cheer almost like then
she makes direct eye contactwith the camera like is this the
sequel?
To bring it on, bring it onagain no, she says she's a great
actress, like she looks at thefucking camera.

Matt (01:45:10):
Like you're saying she's saying this.
Who is she saying this to?
Like she's still alone.
She's alone and she's makingstatements Mm-hmm.

Lynn (01:45:18):
So I'm going to have Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.
I'm going to have Chris put itin here, but I'm just going to
show it to you because I thinkyou just need to see it.

Matt (01:45:28):
Wowzers.

Lynn (01:45:29):
Yeah.

Matt (01:45:31):
So here, why don't you?
What's the move in aninterrogation room?
Just sit there and shut thefuck.
Just shut up until they talk toyou and then sit and answer
their questions and say less.

Lynn (01:45:38):
Okay, here Press play.

Matt (01:45:40):
When you have a second like you're doing something.

Lynn (01:45:43):
Listen when you get done painting.

Matt (01:45:44):
This looks, oh okay, yes, Sorry, it looks like I'm going
to watch a sponsored clip forMatt Locke at first.

Lynn (01:45:51):
What on earth are you doing?

Matt (01:45:53):
I don't know.
I went to hit play andsomething horrible happened.

Lynn (01:45:57):
Oh yeah, that's because sometimes when I have to get
books on not Audible Kindle, Idon't like having to read myself
.

Matt (01:46:06):
Oh, so you make it into an Audible book by highlighting it
.
Yes, this is a commercial forMatlock, which, by the way, if
you are looking, for a good showfor the family.

Lynn (01:46:15):
She's been the same age for like 20 years.

Matt (01:46:16):
She is outstanding.

Lynn (01:46:18):
She may have looked older in Psycho.

Matt (01:46:20):
Yeah, in, not Psycho in Misery Sure.
Yeah, so good.
I love it.
We watch it at the house.
It's one of our family showsthe cups of water Within hours
putting six bullets and watchinghim die.
She danced and sang oh.

Lynn (01:46:43):
Wait until she says I did it.
Yeah, I did it.
Oh, yeah, is she pirouetting, Idid it.
Yeah, I did it.
Oh yeah, is she pirouetting?

Matt (01:46:53):
No, she's just right now she's singing.
I hate when people sing AmazingGrace and really lean into it.
Oh yeah.

Lynn (01:47:02):
She's going full, like Aguilera.

Matt (01:47:04):
Like Christina Aguilera doing the scales.

Lynn (01:47:06):
Yeah, she does like the Taylor Pose, just right back.
Another doing the scales yeah,she does like the Taylor pose,
just right back.

Matt (01:47:12):
Oh, another thing of water .

Lynn (01:47:14):
Watch.
Oh, it's in two seconds.
She'll say I did it.
Shut up, lady.

Matt (01:47:21):
She's wearing flip-flops.
What an idiot Like who kills inflip-flop Cover your yeah.

Lynn (01:47:27):
Nobody wants to see your fucking little piggy.
You can't have exposed.
This one went to the market.
This one went to fucking kill aguy.
Bitch.

Matt (01:47:36):
Not a terrible voice.
Yeah, there it is.
She is pirouetting, wait, Ibelieve.

Lynn (01:47:46):
Yeah.

Matt (01:47:47):
I believe, I can't believe I did that.
Ew, she looked right at me.

Lynn (01:47:56):
It wasn't you that?
Is you go home later.
She's on your couch naked.

Matt (01:48:00):
I have said this before I don't think that you should be
able to convict people oncircumstantial evidence.
But if that was the only pieceof evidence, I would throw her
away for life, okay.

Lynn (01:48:10):
Okay, so the defense, or sorry, the prosecution, we're
just going to have to get thisout of the way right now,
because her last name is.

Matt (01:48:18):
Snodgrass, Snodgrass, oh shit.
So the defense was like listen.

Lynn (01:48:24):
It's Snodgrass.
But yes, every time they saidit I heard Snodgrass.
But yeah, she's like everybodygrieves differently, but nobody
pirouettes when they grieve.

Matt (01:48:33):
Oh my.

Lynn (01:48:34):
Damn sis.

Matt (01:48:36):
Shit.
We don't know how Baryshnikovgrieves.
That's true.
And he probably pirouettes.
Basically right after that theycame in and were like all right
we're charging you with murder,and she goes.

Lynn (01:48:51):
she doesn't change at all.
She isn't like, oh, not,nothing like that she goes what
degree?
Oh my God, the cop doesn'tdecide what degree, though.
He's just like there's enoughevidence that you fucking killed
this guy.
We'll let the court decide.
If there was premeditation,what the fuck are you talking
about?
Why would I know that?
oh really, oh wow so, yeah, soyou know she, and throughout the

(01:49:11):
thing too, like she's saying,like you know, I have to live
with the fact that I did this tosomebody that I used to say I
loved to, I loved every singleday.
It's like she never, ever, saidwhat about his family?

Matt (01:49:22):
yeah, what about his mom?
What?

Lynn (01:49:24):
about his three little sisters?
What about anybody other thanmy fucking stupid self?

Matt (01:49:29):
Yes.

Lynn (01:49:29):
She was, everything was.
I didn't want to watch himsuffer.
He was twitching and I couldn'twatch it anymore.
So I she didn't even say like Iwanted to put him out of his
suffering.

Matt (01:49:40):
She couldn't even stand it .
It was so annoying.

Lynn (01:49:42):
Um, I was trying to be naked on the couch and this
guy's over here dying Like nodying like no she was such a
fucking barbarian yeah, that's agood word like just a
calculated piece of shit.
Yeah like honest to god, it'sactually so like we joke and
whatever, but this is a fucking.
This man had a family thatloved him so fucking much.

(01:50:04):
His little sisters they'readults now.
They're all destroyed by thislike if could you imagine the
one boy, like the one brother,that they all look up to and
like his friends would even saylike he was insanely protective
over his baby sisters, His dad,his stepdad, everybody fucking
loved this guy so much, andthat's one thing that everybody

(01:50:25):
that knew him will say he had aheart of gold.
He was one of the kindestfucking people you'll ever meet.
And his, his dad, Jay, says youknow, when people ask me about
my son, I don't say he'sgorgeous, even though he was.
I don't say he's brilliant,even though he was.
I say he's got the kindestheart and in the end that's what
got him killed.

Matt (01:50:44):
I was just thinking that, which fucking gives me
goosebumps because it's likefuck.
Yeah.

Lynn (01:50:48):
Like if he had just been an asshole.

Matt (01:50:50):
Yes, and he should have been.
He had heard that right.

Lynn (01:50:53):
Yep, I agree, I think so I fucking hate this broad.

Matt (01:50:57):
You know, you, you, I swear to God.
And she has like this is myuncle, it is because of the
mouthy broad.

Lynn (01:51:02):
I just crack a butt like yeah, fuck.

Matt (01:51:05):
Yeah, it's so sad.
I mean you obviously want totreat people with most respect
whenever you can, especially inrelationships, but at some point
there's no time.
You've tried and I know thatyou want to be a nice guy, but
the phrase nice guys finish lastis a phrase for a reason,

(01:51:26):
unfortunately.

Lynn (01:51:27):
And listen.
Here's the thing.
At the end of the day, maybeand fuck, you can see it in this
video and she says in one ofher text messages to a friend my
love has turned to hate.
Be that as it may, is therenothing in you, even if you hate
him, which you don't?
Fucking?
You do not.
You don't have that right.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but he'sfucking treated you like a human
being when you didn't deserveit.

Matt (01:51:48):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:51:48):
But isn't there anything in you that says he's got a
family?
No, you know what I may have, Idon't have that connection with
him.
I don't care about him as aperson anymore.
He's got a family that's goingto hear about this and it's
going to destroy them.

Matt (01:52:03):
No, they're blind.
I think that when a lot ofcriminals have like blinders on,
like you just don't think ofthat.
Like you just don't like peoplethat want to like harm
themselves, they just don'tconsider the thoughts of and the
concerns of people that lovethem the most.
You just you're blinded bywhatever emotion.

Lynn (01:52:21):
I just think it's so fucking vile.

Matt (01:52:24):
Yes.

Lynn (01:52:25):
Like, what, like he couldn't be with somebody else,
so now you've taken him awayfrom everyone.

Matt (01:52:30):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:52:31):
And then, and then I think back to his text message and he
said you know, I think life ispassing me by while I was busy
making grand plans and it's sofucking sad because he's 29.
Like, does your life even start?

Matt (01:52:42):
Right, yeah, and I mean you know this happens like this
is like.
Domestic violence isunfortunately super common.
I mean it, not so much thefemale on male, like that's the
exception to me in this case,and she's fucking psychotic,
yeah, and like from every.

Lynn (01:53:00):
And I've done a lot of research on this case and I just
I haven't been able to findanywhere else or anywhere that
aside from this one date withthe beauty queen like I don't
think he was out there, you know.

Matt (01:53:10):
Dating it up.

Lynn (01:53:11):
Dating it up Exactly.
She's getting railed by everyguy in town and then she's got
the audacity to come at him Like.

Matt (01:53:18):
Yeah.

Lynn (01:53:18):
I, just I.
It really is very upsetting.

Matt (01:53:21):
What was the beauty queen being dragged online for Like
for?

Lynn (01:53:25):
what.
That's a great question Likefor stealing him away from her
or Everybody's got a fuckingthing to say nowadays.

Matt (01:53:31):
Maybe, if you're trying to be like, put your mind in the
hater.
What would you hate her aboutin this she?

Lynn (01:53:36):
really didn't do anything wrong.
Yeah, I couldn't tell you and Iwas in no position to ask.

Matt (01:53:43):
Imagine I was like hey, listen, hey quick question.
Why do people hate you so much?

Lynn (01:53:46):
because I mean like, let me get on board if that's a
thing?
No, I don't think I don't thinkshe did anything wrong people
are just assholes, maybe justbecause she's gorgeous and yeah,
people want to hate on you.
Yeah, you know we can relate tothat every goddamn day it's hard
to leave the house.
But yeah, so you know the cops.
They told her like okay, you're, you're gonna be held.

(01:54:09):
So basically this happened in2012 and she was held until her
trial in 2015.
Like I said, she did go in fora bail hearing in 2014, but like
she'd fucking made a wholebunch of comments about any
chance she saw an open door,she'd run.
So they're like yeah, no,you're a pretty big flight risk.
So we're just going to fuckingkeep here.

Matt (01:54:29):
Yeah, good.

Lynn (01:54:30):
And then in her trial in 2015, they wanted to come at
like her defense attorney wantedto come at it with the battered
wife, kind of thing.

Matt (01:54:42):
Any evidence to support that?
Any calls to 911?
There?

Lynn (01:54:46):
was one person and it was Ryan's neighbor.
Her name was Nikki Carnes.
She said that she had seenShana crying outside of Ryan's
house and she had a big red markon her arm.
She said that it looked like hehad manhandled her and Shana
was crying.
And she, just Nikki, said, youknow, she did everything for

(01:55:09):
this guy.
She would take his laundry, gethis laundry done, she would buy
him food, she would do this,that and the other, which of
course she did, because she's afucking stalker.

Matt (01:55:17):
But then oh yeah, those are nice things, those are
things to control him.

Lynn (01:55:20):
Exactly and to manipulate.
I have your clothes.
Now I am.
I have to come back.
You need me to help you withyour daily life, but here's the
thing.
So she said, yeah, I saw thisred mark on her arm.
Four inmates that werecellmates of Shana's would come
up and they would talk aboutthings that Shana had talked
about.
They were not offered anythingas to come forward.

(01:55:42):
They said that she would laughat the fact that Ryan, she'd
killed him.
She was not upset about it atall, and she also said that she
would self-inflict wounds on herarms and then would make a
point to roll up her sleeves infront of other people.

Matt (01:55:55):
Wow.

Lynn (01:55:55):
So that she could play it off as though Ryan was laying
hands on her.
Like I said, the bullet was ina Diabolical she's fucking nuts.

Matt (01:56:04):
That's evil man, evil man.

Lynn (01:56:05):
But you think that you have that forward thinking, but
you don't know the trajectory ofa bullet.
Yeah, that's right.
Like just throw a ball, you canfucking figure it out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so of course.
Yeah, there was that.
The interrogation roomconfessions were pretty great.
All of their texts would comeout.
You know, like I said, thebookshelf that Shana alleged.

(01:56:27):
Ryan threw into, everything wasstill in order, bullets were
standing Bullets are standingLike that is not something
that's going to fucking stillstand, yeah.
He also had a completed Rubik'sCube, which really upsets me,
because I bought a Rubik's Cube.
I'm like you know what?
I tried it when I was younger,couldn't do it.
There's YouTube.
Nowadays I can fucking figureout how to do a Rubik's Cube Wow
, no.
So I would assume that he'dfinished it.
Maybe he bought it brand new.

(01:56:48):
I could see myself doingsomething like that, but he's a
lot smarter than I am Do theycome solved Probably.

Matt (01:56:52):
You got to scramble it up.

Lynn (01:56:53):
Yeah, if anyone in my house is going to complete a
Rubik's cube, it's going to beJacob.

Matt (01:56:58):
You ever see those kids do it behind the back.
Oh yeah, I'm like okay.

Lynn (01:57:11):
Yeah, and I think so.
It always has something to dowith the middle piece.
You always got to match.
Because the middle piecedoesn't move, you got to match
the colors to that middle piece.
Take my advice.

Matt (01:57:19):
I don't know.
I just see some of these kidsand it's like how do you, how do
you know how to solve it soquick?
He's mind I can disassemble itand cross-section it and then
figure out where to go.
So I just kind of reverseengineer it.
I'm like, oh, okay, Cool, Makessense, Cool young Sheldon.
She's later.

Lynn (01:57:35):
So, yeah, nothing had been moved on the shelf.
She did try to play that he hada drug problem.
I think that there wassomething to that, like with
the-.

Matt (01:57:44):
Well, lawyer, a little bit of nose beers.

Lynn (01:57:46):
It wasn't that.
It was he said that he wastaking Adderall to wake up and
he was taking Xanax to go tosleep.

Matt (01:57:51):
Oh I mean.

Lynn (01:57:54):
I mean the housewives do that too, so whatever, and you
know, at the end of the day theyended up.
I mean the fact that Ryanlocked himself in the room and
she had Googled how to get intohis room.
She was never forced to staythere, so that's something even
like where she was positioned inthe house or in the apartment.
So she obviously was foundguilty of second degree murder

(01:58:17):
and, uh, they gave her 40 years,nice.
So basically the two optionswere if she was found guilty,
she could either be givenanywhere from 25 to 50 years or
she could be given life.
She got 40.
Everybody wasn't thrilled withthat because she could be
eligible for parole after 20,which I mean she was 23 at this

(01:58:41):
time, yeah, so like 45 with twoyears of trial or whatever, yeah
.
Also, there is a law in Kentuckythat if they found out that she
was a domestic violence victim,she could be eligible for
parole after eight years.
Pretty fucking obvious thatthat's not the case though.
So, yeah, she got 40 years, shewent to jail and then she was

(01:59:03):
given a new trial because one ofthe people on her jury was a
convicted felon, and he forgotto.
He's like oopsies, I forgot tosay that stuff.

Matt (01:59:12):
I hate when that shit happens.
Or like something wasmisspelled on the search warrant
so they have to throw out theevidence they found in the
closet and it's like, look, itwas in there, let's just
circumvent the rights for asecond.

Lynn (01:59:22):
I hate it when I forget that I'm a felon.
I'm like ugh, this again.
But what was funny, before thesecond trial she wanted to get
married.
She had met someone.
This person is transgender, sohe had gone into jail as a man

(01:59:44):
and he transitioned during, sothey went by the name Unique
Taylor.

Matt (01:59:50):
Because I think you get your property of the state, so
you get health insurance, reallyyeah, so you can get the
changeover when you're in jail.

Lynn (01:59:59):
Huh.

Matt (01:59:59):
Because you're in, you get like dental, you get free
health care, right, Becauseyou're.
It's not called a warden of thestate or something, it's
something.

Lynn (02:00:12):
Whatever you are, you're the property of the state,
essentially when you're aprisoner, really, yeah, and they
got to take care of you withhealth benefits and stuff.
So this individual she wouldcontact Shannon, would.
This is right before her secondtrial.
It's highly speculated that shewanted to get eyes on her case
again and hopefully somehow itwould work out in her favor.
So she was saying that you knowthey're infringing on her right
to get married.
It's, you know her, whateveramendment right.

(02:00:35):
She's supposed to be allowed toget married.
And so the one of the newsstations did go in and they
interviewed her.
She was like they're notletting us get married and we
tried to file and get a licenseto get married.
And so the guy's looking at itand he's like you only filed
this seven days ago.
He's like maybe they justhaven't gotten to it, like it's
like she didn't even she wasn'twaiting.

Matt (02:00:56):
They're like we're refusing to get a lettuce.

Lynn (02:00:58):
Exactly.
And then she's calling the newsstation.
My wife is trans.
And they're like listen.

Matt (02:01:03):
this is a paperwork issue, oh fuck.

Lynn (02:01:05):
She's making this whole issue.
And she misgendered her fiance55,000 times.
She was literally calling hisfirst name, his last name, oh
fuck.

Matt (02:01:19):
Like dead naming.
Oh no.

Lynn (02:01:22):
Yeah, she was all over the place with the names.
It was insane.
And she was like yeah, he, youknow she, he, she.
She literally said he she.

Matt (02:01:32):
Oh no.

Lynn (02:01:33):
And then she goes.
I don't see them, I don't seeunique as a male or a female.

Matt (02:01:40):
I'm in love with their soul.

Lynn (02:01:42):
But throughout this interview, I watched it and she
misgendered them at least adozen times.
Oh my God so.

Matt (02:01:48):
I understand how, like you know people that aren't
familiar with that community.

Lynn (02:01:52):
Sure, you know you're not used to speaking with pronouns
If you're in love, this is yoursoulmate.
Exactly, you figured it, thefuck out.
Yeah, like you know, peopleFucking Einstein.

Matt (02:01:59):
Yeah, People can make mistakes right and there's no
hate involved it together.
Not even for a fuckinginterview To community buddy,
it's like and that's a thing tooright, like it would be one
thing if it was just like youknow it was a mistake out on the
fucking.

Lynn (02:02:14):
I don't know what's the yard, the prison yard.

Matt (02:02:16):
The yard.

Lynn (02:02:17):
But like you're sitting down for a seven minute
interview, and you can't not saythe wrong thing a fucking bunch
of times I know Fantastic sothe best is that in the second
trial, shannon would get a newdefense attorney and you're
going to enjoy this, becausethat new defense attorney was
like okay, listen here, thebattered spouse thing was not
working because there's nobattery.

Matt (02:02:35):
And you're not a spouse.
Yeah, so you're over right now.
You're over too.

Lynn (02:02:40):
So they went with the orgasm defense.

Matt (02:02:43):
Now, I obviously am familiar with the orgasm defense
, but just from our listeners,could you maybe refresh us?

Lynn (02:02:49):
you know it's okay not to be um up to date on the orgasm
defense because, uh, it's thefirst time it's ever happened oh
unlike shana's orgasms, whichshe said she never got not even
from those 10 dudes who knows?
It's all fucking bullshitanyways she said that ryan would
get really, really mad becauseshe was not able to achieve like

(02:03:13):
okay, like every fucking yeah,listen, listen he was too giving
like.
What the fuck are we talkingabout here?

Matt (02:03:21):
he's like beating himself up out in the dressing room
after the game like, come on,man, get your head in the game,
get together come on, man.

Lynn (02:03:28):
Man, you've got to satisfy .
But here's another.
I have to give you anotherquote because Shana is just so
fucking smart that I can't helpbut tell you all these things.
So this is verbatim.
Once again, he told me you're afucked up person, and you're a
fucked up person because youwere touched when you were a
little girl, and that's why youcan't orgasm.
And that's why I can't orgasm,and that's why I can't love you,
and that's why no one will everlove you.

Matt (02:03:50):
Oh wow, I feel like if you went into chat GPT to create
like, hey, give me a line thatlike a douche would say from
like a shitty movie.

Lynn (02:03:59):
No, you go into chat, whatever it is, and say, hey,
give me a line that AI wouldfuck up when talking about.

Matt (02:04:05):
Yeah, yeah.

Lynn (02:04:07):
So it's like the secondhand version of AI, but I
mean, once again, who knows whatshe's even talking about?
She said that Ryan also wouldinsist that she got this thing
called a G-shot.
She goes and she looks out intothe audience of people that
probably want her to fry thejurors she's like all of you
probably don't know what thatmeans, because I didn't know

(02:04:27):
what it meant either, until Ryantold me that it's a collagen
shot that's administered intothe side of your vagina.
Oh, and it makes it easier foryou to orgasm.

Matt (02:04:37):
How would that work?
Oh, it would inflate, I guess,and it would have more
tetrasectors.

Lynn (02:04:43):
No, I wouldn't think so.
Your nerves aren't inflating.

Matt (02:04:45):
Yeah, you're right.

Lynn (02:04:47):
You just got a big blob of collagen.

Matt (02:04:50):
Easier to find.

Lynn (02:04:52):
I'm not too sure.
Cartilage like an ear Cartilagecollagen.

Matt (02:04:57):
Oh right, I'm sorry, cartilage.

Lynn (02:05:01):
It's actually a diver.
It's like it's a nose that youhave down there now.

Matt (02:05:05):
Chewing on a chicken bone down here I um but yeah, I
really don't think.

Lynn (02:05:11):
I mean, she's like you know what and he was into really
rough things, like super, intolike kinky sex, and he made her
really uncomfortable with thethings that he wanted to do.
I mean, let's not forget, Ryandidn't even want to see her in a
corset.

Matt (02:05:21):
So uh, yeah.

Lynn (02:05:23):
And he was like Can you please put you know what I said
about the plastic coveringbefore you come over?

Matt (02:05:28):
Yeah, put it on my couch.
Yeah.
And speaking of plasticcovering, can I put something in
here for the night?
I'm going to put some collagen.

Lynn (02:05:38):
He's just Brian's got fucking cans of just Scotchgard.
So you know this is her again.
Second defense the only thingthe only person that ever stood
in her defense is that NickyCarnes, his neighbor, and I just
you know none of it was fucking, it didn't make any sense.

Matt (02:05:54):
No.

Lynn (02:05:56):
None of it made any sense.
And are you a completelydifferent person from all these
people that know you?
You know, and yourex-girlfriend Lauren, and all
these people that have seen whoyou are as a human?
Are you that different withthis fucking ding dong, who you
don't even want around again?
The verdict okay, this is myfavorite.
So the verdict in the secondtrial would come back and

(02:06:16):
instead of the 25 to 50 yeartime frame, shana was given life
.
Oh, nice.

Matt (02:06:23):
So is that life, life like ?
Will she get executed she?

Lynn (02:06:26):
will, or is that?

Matt (02:06:28):
you die in jail.

Lynn (02:06:29):
Sadly, she will be up for parole on why call it life then?
Who's living to be 20?
And also it's like the, I thinklike in reality, when she would
be eligible for parole from the40 years to the life was
roughly the same time.
I mean his family.
They liked it better that shegot life, because that's what

(02:06:52):
she would deserve, but they saidthere's no closure, there's
never going to be any closure.
We've lost somebody who's sofucking fantastic in this world
and his sister went up on thestand, his sister Katie, and it
was heartbreaking.

Matt (02:07:06):
Oh, like a victim impact.

Lynn (02:07:08):
Yeah, they all got to go up, so his whole family would go
up, and when Katie went upthere, she had a teddy bear with
her and she's like I'm a30-year-old woman, I don't need
a teddy bear.
She goes, but this is all Ihave left of my brother and it's
a shirt his shirt that's madeinto a teddy bear and she

(02:07:31):
squeezes his what, and so justthe voicemail was like that
bitch is crazy it was like itwas just his outgoing.
Yeah, it was probably like hey,every yeah yeah yeah, yeah, just
a nice memory so then, as theycontinued questioning them um
the dad jay would say like thiswas remember.
I said this is only kid, likethis is where he put all of his

(02:07:53):
eggs.
And when ryan and lauren brokeup, ryan went and got a dog and
his dad's like don't fucking geta dog, because you're a lawyer,
you've got shit going on likeyou don't have time for a dog,
and he's like jay's like.
I honestly feel that part ofRyan's spirit is in this little
dog, he's like and I fuckingworship the grand at walk from

(02:08:15):
now.
He literally is obsessed withthis dog and I'm like God, you
know what.
It's really sad because, likewhat this was in 2018 was the
second trial.
So, like, hopefully the dog'sdoing well.
He says that he wears Ryan'swatch every single day and at
the beginning I said that I wasgoing to give you half of a
quote and at the end I wouldgive you the other half.

(02:08:37):
So the other half of the quote,the whole quote, is since
Ryan's birth, I gauged mywellbeing by his.
My plan in life was always Iwould be with my son, I would be
a doting grandfather and thatwould be my whole focus.
My name ends with this he wasmy lineage and he's the last of
me.
He still celebrates allbirthdays and holidays with his

(02:09:01):
ex-wife and their family.
He continues to be Uncle Jay toRyan's sisters that's sweet,
shayna's in jail and fucking.

Matt (02:09:12):
May she rot forever?

Lynn (02:09:13):
yeah, for her I mean like, look at the life she's even
this beauty queen who was likeshe should have had five minutes
in this case and, like now,she's getting death threats from
fucking randos, yeah.

Matt (02:09:21):
So, yeah, I mean that's that case and uh, it's really
really sad.

Lynn (02:09:24):
It's funny, you know there's that hell hath no fury.
It's really really sad.

Matt (02:09:29):
It's funny.
You know there's that.
Hell hath no fury like a womanscorned.

Lynn (02:09:33):
I don't even think she was scorned.
How could she have been?
He was like just shooting herwith kid gloves.

Matt (02:09:37):
Like I'm trying to think of the trigger that would have
set her off, Like what he did toset her off.

Lynn (02:09:42):
I mean, his face might've just been like he's just so good
looking, so good looking.
I know when you just want, yeahand like he's nice and he's
smart and I mean like, yeah,he's a fucking catch, but you
know what?
You're not.
Yeah, so that's not his fault.
Maybe talk to your mom.
Yeah, she didn't fucking putall of her eggs in your basket.
No, no.

(02:10:04):
So I don't know, I, I do.
I end up finding like not inall cases.
In some cases, like when we didthe Amber Halberling case, the
one where she accidentallypushed her husband out the
window- yeah.
I didn't hate her.

Matt (02:10:17):
No.

Lynn (02:10:17):
And I found that in her interrogation that was grief and
that's what she was.
She was bawling and she wassaying you know, not I lose my
husband, but his mom lost hisson and his grandmother's gonna
have a heart attack.
And she was devastated.
Not this fucking oompa loompa,she's honest to god, the worst
kind of person.

(02:10:38):
Leave her in there, fucking,close the door.
Oh, she got divorced sevenmonths after they got married.
So I mean, probably wasn't areal marriage, it was just her
being fucking histrionic yeah.
Fucking hater.
Wow, I was like I was oh.
So anyways, you can speak withher if you'd like to.

Matt (02:11:00):
I would like to yeah.

Lynn (02:11:01):
She actually like writes it like she you know well she
can't kill you.
So I mean, there's that atleast.

Matt (02:11:08):
But I am shocked at how many people date uh inmates.

Lynn (02:11:13):
I'm actually shocked how easy it was to find this,
because like the video dating.
Well, this isn't video, buthold on, I'm just going to read
to you what her little blurb is.
It's like write a prisonercom.

Matt (02:11:29):
Do you watch love After Lockup ever?
No, you're going to have to getinto it, I think, because, like
it is, and not to generalize,but if I can, it's usually the
male is in jail, the female ison the outside, right, right,
and they you again, not togeneralize, but usually they
have some possessive issues,which is great if you're dating
an inmate, the male haspossessiveness.

Lynn (02:11:46):
No, if you're dating an inmate, the male has
possessiveness.

Matt (02:11:47):
No, the female.
Oh.
So guess what If you gotpossessive issues and you're
jealous?
You're dating an inmate.
You know where.
He is, 24-7.
He's not cheating on you bychoice, he's not cheating on you
and it all goes to show.
And then they get out.

Lynn (02:12:03):
That's for sure what the show is.
They get out.
They just want to raileverybody.

Matt (02:12:05):
They just want to rail everybody.
Yeah Well, yeah, there's a lotof like first sex.
Some of them make it to thehotel, some of them just pull
over at a restaurant.
Ew and do it in oh it is thatis so fucking nasty.
It is so nasty All of it.
Some people can't wait and theydo it like a car wash A Mormon.

Lynn (02:12:23):
Like get out of the car.

Matt (02:12:24):
Andrea the Mormon, no, andrea the Mormon, no, while it
was going through.

Lynn (02:12:27):
I mean, that's quick.
Yeah true, so yeah, so theseare all pictures of her.
She looks still pretty I mean,she's dead on the inside, so
whatever, but her thing sayshello.
My name is Shana MichelleHubers.
I'm a Lexington, kentuckynative and a 2012 graduate of
the University of Kentucky, withmy Bachelor of Science degree,

(02:12:50):
after making the Dean's List in2010.
Why?

Matt (02:12:53):
are you fucking bringing up all of these?
What educationalaccomplishments do you put on
your dating profile?

Lynn (02:12:58):
I mean, are you making slop for the other inmates?

Matt (02:13:01):
Because that's the fucking highest.
Oh right, she's in jail.

Lynn (02:13:03):
She's fucking in jail.

Matt (02:13:04):
I stamp license plates like so good, oh my.

Lynn (02:13:07):
God.
So it goes on and on.
Music's always given me aproductive and positive coping
outlet While incarcerated.
I taught myself guitar duringCOVID.

Matt (02:13:15):
I'm also really good at arts and crafts.
In fact, I make my own shivsand sell them in.
The commissary, are you?

Lynn (02:13:19):
allowed to have a string to a guitar, though?
Like, isn't that some sort of adanger to people?
Yeah, you'd think so.
Oh, and then her physicaldescription of herself.
Okay, I'm tall and thinbrunette standing at 5'9" and
115 pounds, with lots of long,wavy, golden brown hair, big
steel, blue eyes and a wide,bright smile on a heart-shaped

(02:13:41):
face.
It has been almost 10 years nowthat I've been locked up away
from the free world.
I was tried twice on the samecourt case.
I am praying for the bestoutcome, as my case is still
under review.

Matt (02:13:53):
No, it's not.
Who's reviewing it?

Lynn (02:13:54):
Yeah, double Jeopardy, lady.
Is it your mom?
Because she's a retired teacher, she's not doing anything.
No one's reviewing this shit,except for me, actually, peer
review.
I mean, I can't do anythingabout this.
Um, I have hope and faith forthe future.
Kentucky is also an interestingcommonwealth state with
ever-changing laws and sentences.
I just don't think you can killpeople, though.

Matt (02:14:17):
Yeah, I mean a lot of that is like financial crime and
stuff like that and mandatoryminimums.

Lynn (02:14:22):
Uh-huh.

Matt (02:14:24):
That's funny.

Lynn (02:14:25):
Yeah, and then she ends it off.
She says I've grown so muchsince the 21-year-old girl I was
in October of 2012.
At the time of my arrest, I'mlooking for someone who won't
judge me by my past, but by thewoman I've become.

Matt (02:14:37):
I have really matured.
I mean, I would only use threebullets now to kill my lover
One-sided lover and not the sixthat I used last time.

Lynn (02:14:46):
The lover that wasn't loving Anywho.
So yeah, I mean that'sbasically it.
She says she's waiting to hearfrom you, me.
She says Matt.

Matt (02:14:56):
Jackpot.

Lynn (02:14:57):
Maybe you can bring her a bunch of water balls and leave
half drinking ones all over thebridge.

Matt (02:15:01):
Jenny C, good call.

Lynn (02:15:03):
Yeah, it's a big one.

Matt (02:15:05):
Wow, a couple of beauty queens.
Well, one for sure.

Lynn (02:15:08):
Yeah, one real beauty queen.

Matt (02:15:09):
and then this fucking piece of shit and one fake ass
ratchet.
I mean, she still looks prettyin her pictures.
Which color?

Lynn (02:15:13):
Broad.
Yeah, she's done broad, onebroad.
Her outside packaging doesn'tfit the inside piece of trash.

Matt (02:15:21):
Right, I was almost.

Lynn (02:15:22):
I almost felt compelled to write to her, and then I was
like I have nothing nice to sayabout this person so it was like
I'd be like hey, I just wantedto get your side of the story.

Matt (02:15:32):
You never laid anything down on the couch, you just went
full clam, clam out you didn'teven bring your own scotch card,
because it could get a littleexpensive.
Vagina on cushion, yeah.

Lynn (02:15:41):
So I don't know.
I didn't want to be likebecause we're Canadians, so I
just have to have like asomewhat civil conversation with
somebody and then she'd hearthat I fucking loathe everything
about her, oh yeah.
You know, so I didn't reach outwhich.

Matt (02:15:54):
Good for you.
Yeah, you know you reached outto the most important one
anyways.
Yeah, the true beauty queen.

Lynn (02:15:59):
The real beauty queen, yeah, who told me to fucking
cease and desist, and we saw aphoto of her.
Oh my God, All the thingsStatuesque barf, yeah, perfect
frame Literally the mostgorgeous hair I've ever seen on
a person Drop dead barf.
Yeah, totally All right.
Well, yeah, let's call it, andI think the next time we're in

(02:16:22):
the studio, matt, I'm going tobe coming at you with a big one
the Turpin House of Horrors.

Matt (02:16:27):
Oh yes, the Riley hairdos.

Lynn (02:16:30):
Yeah, Riley yeah.

Matt (02:16:33):
Riley is one of our Patreon members and when we were
discussing this episode in ourPatreon-only Facebook page, she
made the revelation that her momgave her the Turpin hairdo back
in the day.

Lynn (02:16:45):
David Turpin.
Yeah, and I guess we're goingto find out if Riley listens to
the very end right, let us knowit is on.
But yeah, no, I thought I wasgonna have this done like last
recording such a big fuckingcase and there's just so much of
it off with you.

Matt (02:17:00):
I was like, can you get your shit together for once,
lady?

Lynn (02:17:03):
oh, my god, and our sign, matt, our sign is coming on
monday I love it.

Matt (02:17:08):
So next week we'll do a little video.
Oh my god, I cannot wait video.
We gotta figure out somethingthat'll like, really like.

Lynn (02:17:15):
I don't want to put those like the command strips no, no,
we'll have to get we're fuckingnailing shit in there like, yeah
, that is not falling to theground that your uh roommate
there get to do.

Matt (02:17:26):
Some installs a steak.
He seems.

Lynn (02:17:29):
he seems to put a steak right in there he seems to know.

Matt (02:17:31):
He knows what's up Construction stuff.

Lynn (02:17:32):
Well, he didn't really do a very good job with the vinyl.

Matt (02:17:34):
Oh, that's true.

Lynn (02:17:36):
But I mean vinyl's, not construction.

Matt (02:17:37):
so no, it is newt.
Okay, alrighty then, bye, bye,bye, bye.

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