On The Floor - Youth Fitness, Motivation, and Women's Health Post-50 with Danielle Pellicano - Exploring Health: Macro to Micro with Parker Condit

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Parker Condit (00:00):
Hey everyone, welcome to Exploring Health
Macro to Micro.
I'm your host, parker Condit.
In this show, I interviewhealth and wellness experts
around topics like sleep,exercise, nutrition, stress
management, mental health andmuch more so by the end of each
episode, you'll have concrete,tangible advice that you can
start implementing today tostart living a healthier life.
This is another episode of Onthe Floor.

(00:22):
This is the monthly segmentwith my co-host, danielle
Pelicano.
In case you don't know,danielle is a great trainer and
endurance coach and is also oneof my best friends, so if you
want to learn more aboutDanielle, please check out
episode three, where she's aguest in a typical
conversational interview formatFor any new listeners.
On the Floor refers to being onthe gym floor.
Danielle gathers questions frompeople on the gym floor and we

(00:45):
spend 10 to 15 minutes answeringthose questions.
Today's three questions arewhat are strategies for parents
at home to move and live ahealthier lifestyle?
This is more so for their kids,and this is a question coming
from a PE teacher, an elementaryschool PE teacher.
The second question wassomewhat ambiguous, but it had
to do with external and internalmotivation.

(01:06):
Danielle and I just ran withthis one and talked about kind
of our own strategies and ourown thoughts about external
versus internal motivations.
And then the third question iswhat is the best running zone
for a 53-year-old woman?
We take this question in a fewdifferent directions, but I
think all of these were greatquestions and she and I are kind
of starting to hit our strideis how we actually attack these

(01:27):
questions and work together asco-hosts.
Hopefully, if you've beenlistening up until this point,
you can sort of tell and see howwe're progressing as we do this
together.
So, without further delay, Ihope you enjoy the fourth
installment of On the Floor withDanielle.

Danielle Pellicano (02:00):
Pelicano, daniela Pelicano, become our
time, which we need to discussthis after this podcast.

Yeah.
So in episode three youmentioned that you had just
experienced a rib fracture fourribs.
Not the first time this hashappened, and I kind of alluded
to a previous time, so I'llshare before we get into the
actual episode.

Yeah.

So when I was still living in Colorado, I came
down to visit you in Scottsdaleand when you came to pick me up
at the airport, you said, hey,there's a place here where we
can go bull riding.
And I said, oh well, we'redoing that Right, and you go,
yeah, we're doing that tonight.
People had warned me that bullriding is dangerous.
I was like, yeah, sure.
So I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, Anyway.

(02:42):
So we went bull riding.
I broke my back, you broke yourribs, so it turns out it was
actually just as dangerous aspeople warned us of, but still
very worth it.
And you know, I was just comingdown here to check out
Scottsdale.
I was like this place is.
We went bull riding on nightone.
We spent the rest of the weekendin urgent care in the hospital

(03:04):
and I was like Scottsdale'sawesome, and I moved here six
months later.

That's right , that was a recruitment trip,
so anyway you're prettyexperienced with dealing with
cracked ribs or fractured ribsat this point.
This is true.
I am Pay to play, pay to play.

Yeah, exactly, you live that sort of lifestyle
I do.
We're all wishing you a speedyrecovery.
Thank you, style, but we're allwishing you a speedy recovery,
because we do have.
We do have an upcoming raceseason.
Um I I'm probably at the pointright now where I should be
training more than I am for realquick, just throw me one nugget
.
Okay, uh, I ran three and ahalf miles yesterday.

Okay.

Pretty slowly, um , and I probably hadn't run for
10 days before that, so notgreat, but I'll ramp it up soon.

Okay, thank you for that answer.
Actually, now I don't feel sobehind.

Yeah, no, I will start sharing, I think at this
point.
This is going to come out waylater, but when we're actually
recording this, I think I'm like17, 16, 17 weeks out, so we're
in a good spot.
I just got to start doing moreuphill work and, I don't know,
maybe we end up doing an episodekind of outlining our training
at some point.

Love it.

Okay, All right, so again on the floor.
The format is getting questions.
Danielle gets questions frompeople on the floor.
We answer those questions tothe best of our ability.
One of the questions is alittle bit ambiguous today, so
we're going to use we'll use ourbest judgment to see what we
think she was asking.
But anyway, we're going tostart off with the first
question, which is great.

(04:26):
We don't necessarily know hisname, but he kind of looks like
a mat.
So if you end up watching this,please let us know your name.
This is a great question,though, all right.

As an elementary PE teacher, I'm
always trying to combatchildhood obesity.
What strategies do you have forparents at home to help their
kids move and live that healthylifestyle for parents at home to
?

help their kids move and live that healthy
lifestyle.

Great question.

There's.
There's a lot in here.
Do you want me to go first ordo you have any thoughts?

on this.
I will you start, go ahead.

Okay, I'll start with one topic.
Actually, I want to start offby giving a few resources.
One is that I have a fewInstagram accounts, so I think
there's two ways to take this.
One is talking about the factthat, for kids, physical
activity needs to be fun, itneeds to be a game, and I think
the opportunity there is that Ithink it should be fun and game

(05:16):
like for adults to, especiallyif it's not something that's
part of your lifestyle, right?
If a lot of what kids are goingto get is from observing the
activity of the parents so theparents aren't doing active
things, it's going to be harderfor them to adopt those
lifestyles, right?
So much of it is just drivenfrom what they're observing and
the environment that they're in.
So a great way to kind of do itwith your kids is by turning it

(05:39):
into a game, and if you don'tknow how to do that, there's a
very good Instagram accountcalled Young Athlete Training.
I will link that and you canjust watch a few of the reels.
They're all very short, but itjust gives you a very good idea
of like how can you make planksmore interesting and like he's
in a plank and he has a cone andhe's trying to flip it and land
it on itself.

(05:59):
So you kind of go into a onearm plank, you flip it, you try
to land it.
So it just gives you examplesof games and how you sort of
gamify a lot of differentfitness options.
Because otherwise if you'relooking at a parent and be like
how do I make this fun, it canjust be like another big burden
of like the mental load of howdo I figure out how to make this
engaging.
So it's a very good account.

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It's growing very quickly.
So clearly a lot of people aregetting value from it and I
think it's just a really goodplace to get resources for how
can I do fun things with my kidaround the house.
But I have other things to talkabout, but I'll bounce it back
to you for your thoughts.

Well, I guess I was surprised.
But currently, what was thestatistic?
15.8% of our youth.
So youth were I'm going with,10 to 17.
He's talking elementary, sohe's gone four to 11, I would

(06:55):
say just so we have ourframework of what age is, so K
through fifth grade.
But 15, 16% of our youth isconsidered obese.
So that is being in like the85th to 95th percentile of being
in a BMI over that, which ishigh.
So when to talk body fat,that'd be like 26 to 28%, but as

(07:16):
a kid that's high.
You know what I mean.
But when he asked me thisquestion it was very sincere.
He's very passionate about this.
But it's a struggle.
But I also think systems need tochange.
Like I feel we almost need tobring like step count into the
youth conversation.
Right, like we do it withadults.

(07:37):
We have our watches, we make it10,000.
We're excited I still getexcited when my watch buzzes.
Like some things have to bewhere they are held accountable
to and not not making it not fun.
But I think our standard of the150 minutes a week is we need
to change everything as far asframework because our reality is
different now I think kids Iwould say if you sat parents

(08:01):
down their their biggest enemythat they're combating is screen
time.
And if you want to change abehavior because that was really
what his question is, he's likeI'm doing the best I can when I
have them for all 30 minutes inthe school, but when they go
home, how are these peoplehelping me help them understand
the importance of movement?
And I think it's figuring outthose things and having bigger

(08:24):
conversations around that, and Iknow people are going to be
listening and they're like youdon't have any idea how hard it
is to get your kid off a screen.
What I mean is when we would gohome.
Yeah, maybe we still hadNintendo, we still had like game
ideas, but the gaming world forkids is on a next level now,
where it has become where theycould talk to their friends
through the game.
So now playtime has becomewhere I'll be like hey, parker,

(08:47):
let's hop on this and like I'mgoing to sit on the couch and
you're going to be in your couchat home.
And now we're playing this gamebut we're not moving whatsoever
, just a joystick.
I feel like limiting screen timeand making it a habit when you
get home from school, where weused to have to actually go out
and play like you had to, evenif you didn't want to.
Your parents like here's acookie, go run outside and go

(09:07):
make a fort.
Go next door, go knock onvinny's door, tell vinny he
needs to, like, do something foran hour with you know what I
mean.
But but these are things whereit's not small.
It's actually a big conversationand I see it with my niece and
nephews like it has becomeconditioned where, like they
come home and they race rightdown the stairs and they they're
in front of the television andI feel bad because parents

(09:29):
already have a ton of things ontheir plate.
But unfortunately it does comeback to the parenting of that
habit a little bit, especiallywhen we're talking.
Our kids are four to 11 yearsold, I mean, so that was one big
one.
Um, I also think P's becomealmost an elective in high
school.
It's not even a requirement,it's not even required.
So now we're stripping thatactivity from kids as well and

(09:51):
we're putting that back onparents to try to incorporate it
.

So the conversation is so large that
it's almost overwhelming andthat's how I could tell he was
feeling feeling I can imagine,um, one of the other parts I
want to talk about and wetouched on this in episode three
which is, uh, the importance ofmuscle.
So, like I I think I'm kind ofgetting to a point now where I

(10:15):
think I'm less concerned withobesity and more concerned with,
like, what is your skeletalmuscle mass?
As, like, if I have metricsthat I can measure, I think I'm
gonna care more about musclemass, because that seems to be,
uh, at least something that'slike a better driver.
Right, obesity is such a bigproblem, like the.
The best thing that's kind ofcome out of that space has been

(10:37):
like ozempic and the glp ones,um, but like I don't know if
that's like a viable long-termsolution economically like have
you when's the last time youtested yours?
My muscle mass Four months ago.

And what was it?

What was the number?
Uh, I'd have to check my ownbody.
I'm not sure.

I just did mine yesterday.
I was like 67.8.

Okay.

Not terrible .
Yeah, I can't yeah, but it'sinteresting you're making that
point Like do we even have thatas being a benchmark for kids
Probably not Interesting, butlike for kids or adults.

It's like I think the conversation has been
around obesity for so long andyou know, I think there is like
there are certain issues withthat, certainly from a
psychological standpoint.
But I think, if you, focusingon muscle mass is wildly
important and I'll reiteratesome of the points I made last
week in that muscle mass is, ormuscle is, a metabolic sink and

(11:35):
it's a driver for metabolichealth in that it helps so many
of the functions of your bodyjust operate in a much more
efficient manner.
So, if you can try toprioritize I mean I know we're
just trying to get kids to moveat all, no less put on muscle
mass, but it's worth mentioningkind of maybe not focusing on
obesity, but for focusing onkids that are being under

(11:57):
muscled.
Maybe that's a better frame.
I don't know Cause there's ahuge psychological aspect to
this entire conversation thatwe're having as well, and on
that point I want to point toanother resource, again on
Instagram, but they have anin-person facility as well.
It's an account calledPhysiology First and I will link
to them, where they're focusedon teaching, probably not

(12:19):
elementary school, but probablythe age range that you were
talking about, like the 11, 12to 17,.
That range teaching like theirprimary education model is
understanding your ownphysiology, because I think this
is another very important thing.
We're kind of seeing it rightnow where the stresses of today,
I think, are greater than ofgenerations in the past, and

(12:41):
just like the different amountof inputs Like I was talking
about this yesterday with mypartner and we were talking
about like how like you canspend all day on the computer
just consuming information it'slike I don't think we're meant
to consume the volume that we'reconsuming now.
But anyway, the point I wasgetting at is that most people
don't have the capacity, or mostpeople don't grow up with the

(13:04):
skills, to manage stress andanxiety.
So we're just seeing ageneration of people who don't
have that as a skill set, peoplewho don't understand their own
physiology.
They just understand thatthey're feeling a particular
type of way, but they can't lookat themselves and be like, oh,
my respiration rate is higherthan it normally is.
I can feel my heart rate ishigher than it normally is.

(13:25):
I can feel my heart rate ishigher than it normally is.
So this group, they teach peoplehow to, kind of through
exercise as a vehicle, how tounderstand your physiology, like
when you're feeling aparticular type of way, can you
recognize that your respiratoryrate is faster and you're doing
shorter, shallower breaths, andthen can you use your own
physiology to help regulateyourself and manage your nervous
system.
Because I think it's a verythat's an incredible life skill

(13:48):
that you can have if youunderstand how to do it and you
sort of teach yourself that youcan manage, manage your own
nervous system kind ofthroughout life, because
otherwise it's just anothergeneration of children now but
then it's just going to beadults who can't, who can't
regulate their nervous system.

I love your brain.

So there was a lot of interesting things to
talk about on that topic.

I don't know if any of that was useful, but
I'm always going to say too,though I'm, I'm literally always
in it.
I feel like if you can get yourkid interested in some team
sport, they don't have to excelat it, especially when you're
talking elementary age butsomething that gives them the
understanding of team, otherkids and activity.

(14:35):
I do Again, I put it on parentsand you're like yikes, but they
have to be introduced.
It's not like you go once andyour kid hates it and that's it.
Like I've watched, I've hadthis conversation with my
brother and his kids and I getit, but like I also am impressed
with the fact that he haspushed them all towards
experiencing sport when theyobviously don't show a talent

(14:58):
for it, which is usually aroundthe age of nine or 10.
I'm just being very honest thatlike you have to be elite, but
like you'll know if your kidreally likes the sport by nine
or 10.
I'm just being very honest thatlike you have to be elite, but
like you'll know if your kidreally likes the sport by nine
or 10.
At least you've given them thatunderstanding, whereas now you
put them in PE.
They're used to being in a teamenvironment.
It helps offset the PE teachera little bit, but I also do
think PE teachers need to uptheir game a little bit on

(15:20):
making things more creativelyfun for kids.
I really do, and I bet he isone of them that does.
But I do see that some of thePE teachers are still like the
math teacher that that I'm justbeing honest that comes in and
he's like all right, like let'splay tag and dodgeball.
I mean I'm like okay, I meancan we get past dodgeball as our
only PE activity?

(15:41):
I mean to your point, like it's.
You know there's a lot ofresources to use where you know
you're writing up a workout likeyou would for anyone.
But I do think there has to bea better plan where you're
introducing kids tounderstanding how to have fun,
and I do think the afterschoolthing's a big deal.
But I know things have changednow.
You know you can't just go outand ride your bike around the
cul-de-sac Like.

(16:01):
I can hear people listening tothis and being like it has
changed, everything about it haschanged.
But that doesn't mean,therefore, we give up by any
stretch.
You know it's like that's wherethe nutritional piece comes in,
like as much as fruits andvegetables.
We hammer it.
How do you, how do youintroduce those foods to your
kid at such a young age that atleast they have a broader
palette.
Truly, that's giving them afighting chance.
To be fair Also, sleep Kids atthat age.

(16:25):
They're needing 9 to 12 hours.
That's a lot of time.
Is that sleep routine a routineLimiting screen time to them,
just like we're telling ouradult listeners when their
window is closing?
The kids are even probably moresneaky about it, to be fair,

(16:57):
you know.

So all those things do play into weight gain,
into non-movement, into goingto school tired and then
therefore you're lethargic.
So a lot of these things arehabits that it's not going to be
fun, I think, for a lot ofparents having to.
Your body composition is goingto be driven by your genetics,
so at the end of the day, likeyou might just be pushing a rock
up a big hill If you're kind ofin that 70% and you don't have
great genetics, or your kiddoesn't have great genetics.
So sometimes there are justthere are things like that and I
don't think they'reacknowledged enough sort of in

(17:18):
the fitness space, because youknow most trainers have awesome
genetics and don't acknowledgethat either and they're like
everyone should be able to dowhat I can do, um, but so much
of it.
A huge percentage of it isdriven by genetics and then I
must be an anomaly.

You've met my mother.
She would have laughed too.
She would be laughing too, okay, I don't even have that to
think I've just got to, I mean,then that was mean and funny all
at the same time.

Okay, last thing I'll say on the physiology.
First thing, I have seen a lotof the results out of what
they've been doing.
It does seem to be better forthat high school age group, yes.
But the thing that I didn'tmention that is a huge benefit
is like it gives the kids afeeling of empowerment and
they're like okay, a lot of thisactually is not outside my

(18:10):
control.
These feelings I'm having arenormal, but I know how I can at
least manage them If you startto understand breath work,
respiration, heart rate and justsome of your basic physiology
points.
So anyone who's interested inthat, please check out that
account.
It's excellent and they have aphysical location based in Maine
.
If anyone's really interestedin going out there, okay.

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Question number two from sarah.

This is the one that's a little bit
ambiguous okay, motivationexternal motivation with your
clients versus internalmotivation with yourself I'm
definitely letting you start.

I like, I like the sarah throws up deuces after
a question she's great, she's aprofessor at the u of m.

I mean, it made sense.
I put it all into contexteventually no, she, she seems
cool.
She's awesome.

All right.
So I'll be honest, I don'treally know what the question
was.
I just had different notes.
I'm like maybe we can just talkabout how we deal with
different types of clients orhow you've dealt, how you deal
with them, how I dealt with themin the past, like somebody who
has needs high externalmotivation and has low internal

(19:19):
motivation, and then sort of theflip side, and how our training
philosophies vary based on thetype of motivation that the
client has, and then we can talkabout our own internal and
external motivations if you wantto.
I think that's perfect okay,yeah, um, I think I think we
were very opposite with thetypes of clients that we'd end

(19:39):
up working with 1000%.
Yeah, so I I'm like a terriblecheerleader.
Where I would in sessions Iwould normally stand with my
arms crossed like this and Iwould just like stare right.
So I'm not like the cheerleadertype of trainer at all and so I
would work almost primarilywith extremely motivated

(20:01):
individuals.
So here in Arizona thepopulation I worked with
primarily was aspiringprofessional golfers.
They were usually in some sortof pro tour already trying to
get to the PGA tour, highlymotivated, and the other group
was persistent pain clients toget to the PGA tour, highly
motivated, and the other groupwas persistent pain clients.
So these are people that werebit, that had been in persistent
pain for 10, 15, 20 years,again also highly motivated, to

(20:27):
not feel that persistent painanymore.
And those are the groups that I, like my my natural skillset
just paired up naturally verywell with like their desires.
So there was not a lot ofdiscontinuity between sort of
what I was good at and what theyneeded.
So that's generally who I endedup working with.
And then a lot of times forpatient clients that would come
in looking for, like weight lossor anything like that, where

(20:49):
clearly, like I, you can justtell with somebody's body
language when they come in,especially to a personal
training gym specifically.
They're like I do not want tobe here.
I'm like this is not going tobe a good client for me,
especially around weight loss,because that's so many trainers
bread and butter, like I justhad so many other trainers that
I would just send them tobecause, like they love tracking

(21:09):
macros, they love trackingcalories and keeping you
accountable on like thatday-to-day really specific
nutritional side, and many ofthose clients got great results.
But I'm like that's.
I'm just I was a terribletrainer for for those types of
people, so I maybe that's not agreat answer, but all I can say
is that I would just generallywork with people who had very

(21:30):
high internal motivation.

I looked at it more from the standpoint of
like.
First of all because I have toread it like this Intrinsic
motivation comes from within,while extrinsic motivation comes
from external factors,obviously.
So when you're intrinsicallymotivated, you engage in
activities because you enjoythem personally.
It's like a personalsatisfaction, which also
typically means you are veryself-motivated.

(21:54):
You're doing it because youcouldn't not think of going on
that run.
I'll use myself example.
I am intrinsically motivated torun because I like the act of
running.
I don't even run with anythingin my ears usually, which we've
always talked about.
It is my only time where I feelthe most creative and it gives
me like a clear space when Irace.

(22:15):
I always have always been thisway with it.
I, I, I almost have likepositive mantras not even
affirmations like mantras whenI'm suffering that I'm like no,
you chose this, you are lucky tobe out here, look at where you
get to race Like.
Those are things of personalself-talk, which has actually
probably propelled me to be ableto do a lot of the distances

(22:37):
I've ended up doing in my ownracing.
Then I look at the intrinsicalpart, when you have to do
something in order to just do it, and I'll use clients as this
example.
Trust when I say when you areweek 16 into Ironman training or
marathon training, it becomesintrinsic that you're not doing
it because you love it anymore.
You started because you lovedit, but that requires you to

(22:59):
understand that you're doing itbecause you want to be the fist
pumping arms over the headperson at the finish line, not
crawling.
But those are like the ways Ilooked at this answer because
I'm like how do I answer that?
And I do think that kind ofmight speak to the way she asked
it and if she was asking itfrom how I coach.
That to me, was also where Ifeel that I actually I try to be

(23:28):
a good leader by inspiringothers through my own discipline
and also achievements.
So that is external in myopinion to some extent.
Do you know what I mean?
That does feel a bit forcedbecause it's a requirement of my
job, in my opinion, to do whatI do and to be respected.
I would expect that from acoach if I hired them too, right

(23:49):
.
But that is a motivation thatcomes from an external drive,
that being my clients and thatmean me having to stay looking
the part, meaning physically, Ican't just do it one day, cause
I I always have to maintain acertain fitness level to even be
able to perform at the levelthat I'm still expected.
But then I think of theexpectation people are like,
well, you could coach, why doyou have to still perform?

(24:09):
For me it's because I Iinternally still love it as well
.
So I don't know if this isanswering that, but do you know
what I mean?
Like, I do think, and what Itypically attract is that I mean
now the beauty of social mediaand how connected we are.
People are able to see yourresults more.
They're able to kind of followyou along in your training.

(24:29):
They see your coaching style.
That's very cool if it's usedin the right way.
So for me that's also seekingout an external force right To
kind of promote stuff in amessage that I deeply believe in
.
So I looked at that.
It was.
I really liked the questionbecause it made me kind of have
to think about my coaching styleand my personal training style,
right.

Yeah.
So I'll just kind of share alittle bit about when I'm
training, like myself, like whatI end up using.
I have a lot of like internalmotivation, like if I decide to
do something, I'm just going todo it.
But then I do use.
I use like external elements aslike a bit of a incentive or a
stick, but it turns out usually,by the time it comes like to

(25:11):
actually cash that stick in.
I usually don't take advantagelike to actually cash that stick
in.
I usually don't take advantage.
Uh, the example of being likelast year when I was running a
lot, I wanted to run a thousandmiles and I was like, oh, I'm
going to, I'm going to createcontent around this for a month
and a half once I finish it, andlike that was like a big thing
to get me to keep doing it inthe summer months to stay
consistent, yada, yada, yada.

(25:31):
I was like, oh, I'm just like Igotta stay, I gotta see through
this just so I can create.
I was like, is it going to giveme so much content?
And I think I made like twoposts about it and just cause,
like, once I finished, I waslike it felt really good and I
like I made a video or two aboutit and I just never really felt
the need to post about it again.
So it was like I.

(25:52):
And now that I'm getting backinto kind of running for or
training for the Leadville heavyhalf same thing I'm like, oh,
it'd be really cool if I likekind of logged like through,
like through the actual trainingrace and some of the training
leading up to it.
I'm probably not going to, butthat thought gets my ass out the
door.
So I kind of use that as a adriver for action sometimes.

(26:15):
So that's kind of how Ileverage multiple aspects of it.

But that's also a perfect example because,
to your point, I'm in a veryunique lane right now.
As far as this last year, thisis the most on the floor I've
been, as you know too, in years.
Right, most of my endurancecoaching is retreat camp based.
It's more meeting clients anddoing the training in the
element.
It's online.

(26:42):
All their programming goesthrough TrainingPeak.
So for me I am in a veryinteresting lane, which I'm
loving.
But I'm almost in twocompartments right now where I'm
with and when I say general pop, I'm not dismissing people's,
like athleticism.
These are still athletes, butthey're only seeking me or
seeing me in a group classenvironment.
So that's when I say generalpop.
And then I have my PEC clientsand I almost push people in the

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racing category or in that typeof goal setting, because it's
the only thing that's everresonated for me personally as
well.
And that's when you were evenreferencing weight loss.
That is such a huge market andI too do not attract that
clientele.
I'm not very good at it andI've said it.

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You lose me when it comessolely about body comp and
numerics, which is a requirementfor that goal to be attained.
So it's not me dismissing it orsaying or shunning it and
saying that's bad, not at all.
That is such another skillset,whereas you hire me, and now I'm
talking about training.
Stress scores, watts, power,you know pace, that is my

(27:56):
knowledge.
That's where I have to spendany free minute I have reading
up on that, where I give as muchinformation as I can, hence
even this podcast in what Iunderstand for that.
But for me, I lose motivationwhen something becomes about
only the external appearance.
Even it would never have been amotivator for me to start,
which is so.
That's where we're justdifferent.

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But it's so important to knowyour client because there is one
you're that's going to tick foryou more than the other, and
that's not me saying so manypeople hired me for the longest
time to do the Leadville 100.
I was that was like my biggestreputation in Minneapolis
because of the buckle.
It was a status thing.
I was at a party on Friday thisis going to be great and I had

(28:38):
my mother's buckle on and shewas a barrel racer Awesome
buckle.
It was a lifetime party.
I had people coming up to mebeing like high-fiving me,
thinking it was a Leadville 100buckle, and I kept being like
wow, like it is a pretty buckle.
I'm like cause they know I'vedone it, but it was shocking to
me that became such a Super Bowltrophy that it didn't matter if

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you hated every minute of thetraining for it, because it is a
very grueling event the run andthe bike and I'd be lying if I
wasn't like no, I obviously needa buckle just for my coaching.
The training was brutal.
There were no positiveaffirmations that day.
I could promise you that.
But when I got that buckle Idon't wear it out to the party

(29:22):
and high five.
I framed it and I gave Angiethe same frame and it's like
something that I look at like atrophy.
I don't use that as a statuswhen I walk out and I'm not that
this is terrible, because Ilove the people that do.
You should be proud of it.
But that is the only time I'velooked at that where I'm like
that was the most external goalI've ever seen, where people
would give their left arm to getthat freaking buckle and they

(29:46):
still do, and it's incredible.
But like, so, I've experiencedit.
But then I looked backinternally and I'm like no, no,
I've never been about that.
I rarely advertise that youcome into my home.
There's nothing athletic based,but I'm just explaining it
because I would surprise people.
You've seen it.
You've been everywhere I'velived.
You wouldn't even think I wasan athlete if you walked in.
It's not what motivates me.

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Mine has always been the legitbeauty of the sport and being
out in nature and traveling togo do cool shit.

The last thing I'll note because I think it's
funny.
There's a funny example.
Behind this is the idea that alot of people you can leverage
social media for, like externalaccountability, and the problem
is you can get validation beforeyou deserve it.
So like you can say I'm, I justsigned up for this thing, and
then a lot of people reach outto you and say great, good for

(30:39):
you, congratulations, and thatfeels really good.
Less so in the fitness side ofthings, because at the end of
the day, you can see if somebodyfinished a race, especially
races.
You can look them up if youknow their first and last name,
so you can see if somebodyactually did it.
But the example this guy gaveand he made a book about it.
It's called I'm writing a noveland it was a collection of

(31:00):
tweets of people who weretweeting about writing their
novel instead of actuallywriting their novel, the point
being and then he made a bookcompilation of that because
nobody actually wrote the novel,because people who are writing
novels actually write.
They don't tweet, don't tweet,um.
So it's just one of the dangersthat you can use it, but

(31:21):
understand like the validationcoming too soon might be a
deterrent at some point.
So well said, sir, fun questionit really was yeah, um, it'd be
funny if she was like you guys,spent 20 minutes talking she
1000 will.
Let me know, don't you worry,1000 she will you guys weren't
even close to what I wasactually asking.

It's going to happen.

Okay.
Next one is from Leanna.

Hey, thanks for letting me ask this question
.
I'm 53 years old and for my ageand for me, is it best to be
conditioning running wise inzone two, three, four or five.
Cool Running zones, I thinkthis is such a loaded question,
though, if you think about it,yeah, because, uh so like my
first go ahead.

I was gonna say my first question is like what?
What's the goal or what's thetarget?

I just think once you say over 50, things
change entirely.
Not, I don't mean it badly, Imean it it sincerely, because as
soon as she asked that, I waslike that's a very loaded
question Because my answer couldbe a deterrent.
It could deter people.
So I'm still going to give myanswer, but I'm coming at it not

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like your started generalizingit again and that, if anything
is what I think your podcast is,like you know, pulled the plug
on, is you can't, you, we can'tgeneralize anymore and I I have
to reference Dr Stacey Simsbecause she's been the
whistleblower that's been mostprevalent for me.
Just like you have people inpanel that you've been using on

(32:50):
your show, which has beenawesome.
Like you find your resources,their information is very
science-based and you have theseincredible women that are
finally like pulling back thesheet and explaining stuff,
because most of the met the datais based around, set around
sedentary men.
So as soon as she asked it, Iwas excited, but I was also like
this is a loaded question.
I only want you to talk becauseI obviously have my thoughts,

(33:14):
but I'm curious where you would,where you want to go with that.

Um, I was going to say I kind of wrote out a
basic answer based on, based onthe uh, the response that her
goal is to be generally healthy.
So I don't know if that is thecase, but this is what I would
give, also not understanding howmuch time she's committing to
it per week, but let's say she'sdedicating three hours a week
to training.

(33:38):
Um, also, because you mentionedfat burning zone, I do want to
talk about that briefly becauseI think this is not talked about
enough, or the clarification isnot talked about enough.
I think when people hear fatburning zone, which is a thing
that is a zone, um, it refers tothe fat you're burning is in
your bloodstream.

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It's not stored fat.
So when people are like oh I'm,I'm working in my fat burning
zone and you, most people thinkthey're burning fat that is
stored in their body.
But that's not the case.
They're burning fat that isreadily available in their
bloodstream.
So that's a commonmisconception.
Wanted to clear that up.
Happy to talk about that moretoo.
So if she's dedicating threehours a week to be generally

(34:22):
healthy, I would say two and ahalf hours of that should be
approximately zone two,something pretty low level,
steady state and then I have 30minutes of I just put intensity
because you get to a certain ageyou don't know where she's
coming from, like I don't knowhow much intensity she can
handle, but I'd have about 30minutes of let's categorize it

(34:44):
as high intensity and intervalwork.
But I would do longer intervals,like four minutes on, four
minutes off, just to drive ahigher VO two max.
A lot of people can't handlefour minutes of at least like
four minutes of repeats.
So what I used to do withpeople who, like, truly were not
anything endurance based,they're just I needed to do
something aerobically based withthem or something conditioned

(35:07):
based with them.
I would do a one-to-one work torest ratio, which I think is
generally good for some of theselonger intervals, not sprint
intervals.
So one minute I would startthem with, like one minute on,
one minute off and just do someamount of repeats with that.
So they could do that towardsthe end of two of their sort of
like longer zone, two blocks,and that's kind of all I do,

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based on a three hour, a threehour commitment to conditioning.
If she's only dedicating threehours a week to exercise, that
would change Cause I'd want towork in strength training, but
that's, that's generally my, myvery broad answer on that.

That was a good answer, though.
That was really good, I'm goingto say so.
Leanna, she's already.
I mean, she's in her mid tolate fifties, because I was
taking it back Cause back,because when I asked her after I
didn't even think she was likeI wouldn't have put her at that
age.
Okay, she probably comes to myclass, which is I'm going to
categorize it as a hit class,and I'm going to just say that

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because you don't stay in anyone zone long enough to really
form an adaptation, but it'shard.

Well she said she was 53.

Oh, she didn't say 53.
Yeah, no-transcript to DrStacey Sims, any of it.

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They will not abandon thatmessage, regardless of the
question almost Once it's 50, itis how do you maintain the
muscle mass you still have Ifit's about fitness?
So here I got to go into my twolanes again, my endurance
athletes.
I've read so many things whereactually long distance running

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for women over 50 is a detriment.
It is.
That doesn't mean you don'tpick that goal anymore.
But at the same time those arepeople that are very goal
oriented.
This sport is something theylove.
But now you are playing withfire a little bit because you
are only holding onto the massyou have now established in your

(37:28):
30s and 40s, right, and nowyou're taxing that system at
probably its highest.
And now it is just I look at itbecause it's never.
It's something like they'reblowing the whistle on and I sit
here and it always puts me inan uncomfortable position
because I will clearly be that60 year old that's probably
still doing marathons, right,because I love it so much.
But what does that do?
That shifts my focus to how I'mgoing about my fitness now.

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So for someone like her, Idon't just look at this as like
a cardio answer, right, which Ithink she might have been
probably referencing.
I look at a lot of it.
So if you're only doing high rep, gtx, which is just group
fitness, high rep exercises,right, someone like her needs to

(38:11):
be so mindful that she'sgetting in like four to five
sets of five rep maxes incompound movements, right.
And if you're not evenimplementing that, and that's
where you're lifting, you canspike to zone fours and fives
when you lift heavy, like thatfor sure.
But for the most part it's notabout zones anymore.
It's like, if you're asking me,I'd rather see some of these

(38:34):
women that are aging, that arealready fit in my mind and
they're trying to maintain whatthey have to pivot their train
of thought, like.
That doesn't mean I don't wantyou coming to class anymore per
se, but it needs to be.
There needs to be a shift insome of the other things you're
truly starting to go after,right?
Because for you I see whatyou're saying Like three times a

(38:56):
week, resistance training is aminimum, is a minimum for over
50.
It has to be.

Yeah, Like not knowing her and like not knowing
what she's available or whatshe's able to commit time-wise.
You know, it's kind of funnyLike you just give this answer.
I'm like this is an answer in avacuum, right, when there's
there's no other circumstancesthat are tailored into this.
Um, but yeah, if it was just tokind of prioritize, like where

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she's going to be in 15 years,that's a very different answer
than I have seven hours a weekto train.
That I'm committing to.
What should my cardio piece be?
And if that's the case, thatwas kind of my answer.

Yeah, because I feel like people might
be like well, what's the answerthen?
I mean, I'm not going to answerit by zones.
I don't even want that to bethe way we look at it anymore,
but again, people are gonna belike that is why references that
that's a person that comes tothis class, that it's all based
on zones.
So I get it.
I do.
I do understand where thequestion is coming from and I do
think it's awesome that womenin their late 40s and 50s are

(39:58):
coming to that.
I mean, it's like my marketright now.
It's awesome.
However, there needs to be ashift in what you're doing in
addition to that.
So that is where I was going totake this time to answer it
that way, because it's a messagethat's not going to change that
.
It's not going to change Like,let's be real, a lot of it is.
I want to stay healthy, butit's going to come back to body
comp.
There's something about ashifting, like let's be real

(40:19):
premenopausal to menopause.
Like your biggest shift comesfour to five years before
menopause.
Like you start to see it.
I'm starting to feel I'm 44.
I'm starting to understand it.
I'm still happy with how I look, but, yeah, the belly fat
around the abdomen, things thatare starting to shift.
You're only going to start tobe able to kind of pivot some of
that and change it with heavierlifting.
It's a, it's proven.

(40:40):
You have these women speakingthe when you have your panel
within a couple of weeks it'sgoing to be talked about.
So protein intake it's soimportant.
But I think again now we'reoverwhelming our, our listeners
with hitting these metrics.
Any improvement is going to bean improvement.
Listeners, with hitting thesemetrics, any improvement is
going to be an improvement.
Just prioritizing it is goingto be a shift.

(41:04):
Because now it's like I'm notsaying you're, but if you're
losing 1% of your body masswomen muscle mass starting at 40
, like I'm four years, fiveyears in, I'm already 5%.
5% to me is a big number.
I put myself at 50.
I'm at 10%.
10% is a big number, especiallywhen I'm already starting to
feel like the change.
So now's the time that youshift.
That doesn't mean I'm not goingto still compete in marathons

(41:25):
and do the things I love.
It's happening.
But I'm now going to reallyprioritize some of the other
stuff.
I've shifted the way I trainfor my own self.
I do way more lifting than Iever did.
You know me, my go-to exerciseswere always plyometrics, very
functional training, hot hitworkouts.
Really.
I still do them, but I'mlearning.
If I want to prepare myselfwith a better foundation going

(41:48):
into my late 40s, 50s andmenopause, I need to start
taking that conversation moreserious.

Yep.
So again I'll just kind of gointo some of the nuances of
adding muscle mass, just becausewe've talked about in previous
episodes, but again, like I'mnot going to make you go back
and listen to it, it used to bethought of that the eight to 12
rep range was ideal forhypertrophy, which is adding
muscle mass.
It's now accepted that the reprange doesn't matter but your

(42:18):
proximity to failure mattersProximity to failure.
That can be also determined byintensity.
However, you want to think ofit where, if you're doing 10
reps of something, you probablyshould have been able to do
maybe one or two more reps.
So you need to like being ableto do 12 and you did 10, that's
proximity to failure.

(42:38):
That's within an arm's reach.
Like you can see failure If youcould have done 18, like you
weren't even close.
Same thing, but so that's anexample of the lower end of the
rep range.
If you're doing I wouldn'tsuggest doing this just because
it's really painful you could do30 reps of something but you're
going to have to be so close tofailure at that high rep range.
So you can still put on musclemass doing high reps, but it's

(43:01):
like do you really want to pushyourself to basically failure,
because if you're doing 30 repsof something, you're basically
going to have to go to failureto hit that proximity to failure
that we're talking about.

I thought about that, though I thought
about you in that exact becauseI remember this conversation
Like my biggest weakness isalways going to be shoulders, it
just is so.
Anytime you talk lateralmovement, like lateral raises,
forward raises, I still probablydon't grab heavier than an
eight pound weight, and peopleare like what I'm like?
Without doubt, I use yourphilosophy with it, though Do
you know what I mean?
Instead of going and musclingout with borderline not the best

(43:33):
form, so for me, that takesthat out of the equation.
I won't do it.
I'm now hammering out reps tofailure, but I have to get close
to that 30 mark.

Okay, yeah.

But.
But then it's like a steppingstone.
So once that becomes where Ifeel like, okay, now I'm
literally have built a base, Iwill now feel comfortable going
to the heavier weight,especially when we're talking a
movement like that but that isalso kind of what I was saying
earlier it becomes a deterrentbecause I'm like, oh, my
technique isn't going to be goodenough for me to justify the
four to five reps or the eightto 10.
So I'm still in that 12 to 15range, right, but now I hit that

(44:09):
comfortably.
So I'm starting to use yourconcept where I'm like no, you
need to like fatigue this.

Yeah, so the actual mechanism of that's
called mechanical tension, god.
I should know that.
I think in the actual muscleit's the mechanical tension God.
If I'm wrong I'll correct it inthe show notes, but I'm pretty
sure that's the actual mechanism.
So you need to have enoughmechanical tension.
That is kind of driving eitherthrough low reps and really

(44:37):
heavy weight or high reps andlightweight.
So either way you can do it.
It was found that you knoweight to 12 reps.
It just happens to be acomfortable range where people
can get close to failure.
That's why that rep range wasso well established for many,
many years.
And then the other side of itwhich we talked about before,
protein intake.
Depending on what your goalsare, it can range from anything

(44:57):
from, let's say, 1.2 to 1.6 isgoing to be a good general area.
So that's 1.2 grams perkilogram of body weight all the
way up to 1.6.
They've done crazy experimentswhere they're loading people up
with as much as like four gramsof protein per kilogram of body
weight.
Nobody needs to do that.

(45:18):
But the RDA of 0.8 grams perkilogram I think is too low and
I think that RDA is largely justgoing to at best keep you from
losing muscle mass.
So if you're actively trainingand trying to put on muscle, the
RDA of 0.8 grams per kilogramof body weight, it's just not
enough.
So if you're putting in thetime and effort to do strength
training and trying to put onmuscle, the RDA of 0.8 grams per

(45:38):
kilogram of body weight, it'sjust not enough.
So if you're putting in thetime and effort to do strength
training and lift heavy weightsbut you're not prioritizing the
protein and getting enough, it'sgoing to be really frustrating.
You're also going to feel worse.

I do think the hormone conversation is
always going to be the gamechanger for our era.
Right now, you're so ahead ofyour time by bringing it up and
bringing the women on andpaneling it because you can't go
.
I can't even answer thatquestion without touching on
that too.
It's like post-menopausal, so10 years out from menopause.

(46:09):
That's different for everyone.
Some people are going throughit almost like in their late 40s
already.
So we're still talking like inyour mid 50s.
You almost might be done.
Your estrogen is super tied toyour lean body mass.
Estrogen controls so manythings.
It controls how your bodysynthesizes the protein.
So now, if you're you're, thehormone conversation is not to
be daunting.

(46:29):
It's, if anything, I feel likethis is our time to be preaching
it, to get people ahead of itby figuring it out, by getting
the blood tests, by stayingahead of it, cause there are
lots of my girlfriends who havejust walked through menopause
with very little symptoms andeffects because they were so
ahead of it and they found theright doctor that did the levels

(46:50):
.
I mean it's it cause that's why, cause I feel like a lot of the
times we have this conversationand and you're just dreading
this time in your life, and it'sunfortunate because this bump
doesn't happen to men.
It just doesn't.
This bump in the road for womenis a very clear bump of a
change in your body, and itdoesn't have to be a negative
because now we have resourceslike this kind of a podcast and

(47:13):
people talking about it, but youhave to take action as well.
It requires action and itrequires you being ahead of it,
in my opinion, and it doesn'tmean you're just going to skate
through it.
But I will tell you, I amaround enough women that I have
had this be explained and I'mlike you can do it in a way that

(47:33):
you see some effects, but onceyou understand how to use it,
you're still working out well,you're still keeping your muscle
mass, but you're also stayinglevel, and belly fat is a big
one of it, though.
Like signs of real differentbody comp changes are clear
signs that it's a hormone issue.
That doesn't therefore meanthere's no solution, but it's
outside someone like me in thegym telling you what I think you

(47:56):
could do, because it's notsomething I can probably give
you that will change it.
First, things have to get towhere they're balanced, and now
everyone's going to push youtowards the lifting side,
because I think even Stacey Simswas talking to Katie Couric.
I loved this interview.
Katie Couric's now 67 years oldand she's like you know, stacy.
Like what do you recommend?
Like I am.

(48:17):
I think I'm relatively fit andshe is Katie Couric's awesome.
She's like you know.
But like my routines usuallyyou know seven, eight pounders.
I've never seen someone cutKatie Couric off immediately and
be like 40 to 50 should be yourgoal.
She's like pounds.
She's like, yes, unwavering inDr Stacey Simms' answer.

(48:37):
I loved it Unwavering and shewas like but she's like I'm 67.
She's like uh-huh, that's whatI mean.

It's not just you and I saying it as these young
little kids talking about it.

This is coming down the pipeline and if
we have to keep hammering it,let's hammer it.
But I'm being that serious.
So for me, I don't want tobring that answer only back to
cardio, because it's actuallynot like if she she was like
moderate to intense exercise isnot even advised while you're
going through or currently inmenopause, that's a huge
statement.
So then you're like wait,cardio is bad.

(49:11):
She's like no.
But now it goes back to moreyour framework, where she was
like if you're pre menopausal,she's like your workout should
be two to three times a week or,excuse me, they should be three
, four to five times a week.
But she's like you're doing veryfixed sprint interval work
where you are doing not bootcamps, but you are outside and
you are briskly walking, andthen you're running for a minute

(49:32):
and then you're walking again,and then you're running for a
minute and then you're walkingagain, and then you're running
for a minute and then you'rewalking, cause she's like you
need to teach the centralnervous system to adapt and the
way in which you start trainingit to be it's it's a response
that is now starting to godormant due to the estrogen part
of it.
That's what I'm trying to say.
So you're, you're fightingsomething that's not even like a
fight you can win because it'snot your fault.

(49:53):
Do you get what I mean?
So if you're still staying inthe lane or trying to kill
yourself on the treadmill,thinking more time, more time,
it's actually doing a detrimentbecause you're not training your
central nervous system to adaptto a different stress on the
body.
So that's what I'm saying youhave to train differently, and I
actually.
When I hear her talk, it soundsway more enjoyable because it
actually sounds way easier thanthe way I train for sport.

Yeah Well, because you're involved in sport
, that it requires volume Ahundred percent.

A hundred percent.
But now I mean it's such an eyeopener because I'm like, if
anything, I want to getridiculously strong, like
without question, because I amnever going to change what I
love.
And that's why I have to becareful on how I talk on these
podcasts, because so many of myclients right now women are
easily in their mid 40s to 50s,into their 50s, and I don't want

(50:42):
the messaging to be like you'rescrewed, forget it or I
guarantee it's already going tohappen.
Coach D, why aren't I liftingheavier?
And my weight workouts aregiving me?
It's coming, I already couldfeel it coming and I get it.
But again, everything'ssituational and so a lot of it
is prioritizing off season andthat will be another episode
we'll have one day, and that isa perfect segue for that,

(51:03):
because there are time andplaces where things have to
happen when they happen, becausenow you start into programming
for marathoning and runs and bigevents and you can't hammer
both things to its full extent.

Yeah, maybe we're going to have to do a
standalone episode at some point, cause I mentioned, or you
mentioned, something earlierabout like sprint training
specifically, I'd love to getspecific around like sprint
training and high intensityinterval training, because those
two terms have been co-opted bythe fitness social media sides

(51:35):
and people have no idea what itmeans anymore.
And those are.
They're very specificdefinitions and I think a lot of
people are doing a lot of highintensity interval training or
they think they do and they'renot getting the perceived
benefit.
But they're doing nothing evenclose to high intensity interval
training, cause a lot of peoplethink if it's hard it's hit,
and that's not the case.
The case.
But not to get too far off track, I will provide resources in

(51:58):
the show notes around.
Because you mentioned hormonereplacement therapy, so I will
link to Femgevity.
Kristen Mallon is theco-founder of that.
She was on episode five orthree.
Either way, I'll link it andI'll link to her page.
And then also Dr KellyKasperson.
We mentioned her in the lastepisode as well.
She's a urologist.
She talks a lot about HRT,midlife, menopause Two great

(52:19):
resources there.

I will say this too, parker, and I don't
like the phrase dumbing it down,but you have to have this
conversation be a little dumbeddown as far as it could get so
science-based that it getsoverwhelming.
And that's why I do like youand I, because we definitely
play off of each other.

(52:41):
I'm being honest.
I think it's really beneficialhow we come together on things
where I feel mine's like theCliff Notes for sure and yours
is the whole novel in the bestof way.
Why I say is the hormonereplacement.
I would really hope you have agreat OBGYN that sees the signs
and is ahead of it.
Do you get what I mean?
But I feel as women we can'twait for an external element to

(53:04):
tell us when we think the timeis time to do it.
You know your body best.
If conversations or questionsseem to be very recurring on
things that just feel very offand you're already in your
forties, cause it can happenthat early these blood tests,
like that's what I want you tonot talk about today, but like
you were so eyeopening on thatwhen I was in Scottsdale and
you're like Danielle, you canjust ask for this panel yourself

(53:25):
.
You could go here, have it readlike being ahead of it and
proactive is going to be yourbiggest game changer and then
aligning yourself with a doctorthat, like, really has a good
reputation and really knows.
So if you have a friend thatwent through menopause and they
had a great experience with itand they referenced that doctor,
I would be calling that doctorand trying to build a report

(53:45):
with that person.

Yeah, because they're probably going to be
hard to get into and there'slike there's really horrifying
stories for women around, likedescribing their symptoms and
just not being taken seriously,and all all I can do is
encourage you, like, if yourdoctor dismisses you once, I
would say fucking fire them,like you don't owe anything to

(54:07):
your doctor.
Um, and there's a lot ofresources that are not
geographically bound anymorebecause telehealth is so readily
available.
So that's why I'm trying toprovide some resources to people
where, if you don't have a gooddoctor in your area or a nurse
practitioner who's going to takethis seriously, um, just look
into these other options andI'll try to find some others
that I'll include in the shownotes.
Um, cause, yeah, it's a bigissue OBGYNs are stretched too

(54:31):
thin with what they're asked todo and it's also like the lowest
paid procedural specialty outthere.

And that's important to hear because I
wouldn't like.
That's why I love, like youknow, so much partner like
you're very vested in the topicand being a man is like awesome
Cause no one's doing it.
And you've been like this waybefore this podcast everybody.
Just so you know like you'vealways been passionate about it
and I think it's incredible.
So hats off to you on it.
And you've been like this waybefore this podcast everybody,
just so you know like you'vealways been passionate about it
and I think it's incredible, sohats off to you on it.
And I do think I'm just was.
I was trying to pay you more ofa compliment.
Like I just want you to notlike what's becoming just your

(55:05):
common conversation now and yourworld, some of those very
keynote things and likereferencing the resources, like
you're saying they're soimportant to women like myself
that are going to be listening.
Because, also, you're so goodabout understanding the
healthcare system and thefinances around things and the
expense, because now we're allbecoming crippled about that.
Like all of our decisions arebeing based on.
Well, is this going to becovered in insurance?

(55:25):
Oh well, and those are realvalid concerns.
Is this blood test going tocost me a thousand dollars,
right?

Yep, but you know so much about that.
Yeah, all right, so we're goingto go along in this episode, but
it's worth talking about.
So one of the unfortunatethings is that a lot of these
types of models telehealth,remote models for women's health
and HRT specifically a lot ofthem are going to be cash pay or
they're not going to be wellreimbursed.

(55:53):
So those practices need to makemoney somehow.
One of the big ways they dothat is by marking up the cost
of blood tests.
But I'll provide again somemore links in the show notes to
places where you can order yourown blood tests.
So ULTA sorry, u-t-l-a, ultaLabs is one that I go to a lot.

(56:14):
You can order direct from questin most States, um, and I'll
find one more where you canorder these tests and then you
can say, hey, I got these done,you know, on X date and you can
get the results yourself andthen kind of do one of these
telehealth calls and be like Idon't need to be ordering
through you.
Not all of them do that, but itis one of the places that these
um that these companies canmake money and it's unfortunate

(56:37):
that they are even in thatposition to begin with because
they're not adequatelyreimbursed by our healthcare
system because there's 14middlemen grabbing most of the
money between the patient andthe actual provider.

But I remember when we had this
conversation, I was there and Idid what you said, and I'm
telling you that was beingproactive as the recipient of
the information.
Do you know what I mean?
Like that, there is no reasonto not be proactive with this
and there is a, there is a wayto go about it and not feel like
you're just going to be crushedwith bills about it at all.
And it shouldn't be a deterrentto not be proactive because of

(57:11):
the financial side either.

Yeah.
So, yeah, it's harder than ithas to be, but until something
changes, yeah, waiting for yourhealthcare provider to tell you
what to do next is just not agood avenue to kind of go down,
as we've seen, just kind of withthe current state of the
healthcare system.
So much of what we've seen hasbeen the immense amount of trust

(57:35):
from previous generations inthe medical system, and I mean
because at the time, right likewhat were your other resources.
But it's, the health caresystem is not built at keeping
people healthy.
It's just not.
There's no financial incentive.
It's just not what it's builtfor.
I'm not saying that to benegative, it's just the current
state of where we are.
So, yeah, it's harder than ithas to be, you're going to have
to spend more money than youshould, but it just it is the

(57:57):
reality of where we are rightnow.
Yeah, okay, that was a verylong answer.

I know, but it was really good.

Yeah, leanna, thanks for kickstarting that
conversation.
A hundred percent, okay.
Anything else to add before wewrap this one up?

Nope, I think that was thorough.
I agree and I feel like you andI are very passionate about
what we talk about and we justhave a lot of knowledge on some
stuff.
And so sometimes the what seemsto be a simple answer, when I
really sit and start writingnotes down, all of a sudden I'm
like, wow, I have a lot ofthoughts on this.
So I you know.
I try to condense it as best Ican.

(58:35):
But that's also the fun of thisformat of like hearing what you
have to say.
Then I have another thought,right.

No, exactly.
Yeah, there's like we have awhole backlog of questions and
you see some of them with likeeight versions of the same
question.
I don't think either of us wantto answer it, but I think we'll
get through them For it.

but I think we'll get through them For sure.

Okay, danielle, thanks for coming on again.

Thanks, Parker All right.

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