Bonus Episode: Favorite Live Shows & Desert Island Picks - Crossover with the Two Dudes and Killer Tunes Podcast - Extended Play

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Ready for a bonus episode of theExtended Play podcast?
Here it comes. Oh, oh, it's coming.
Before the the season wrapped up, we actually did a, a another
person's podcast. We were actually invited on,

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believe it or not. We did not force our way on.
We just bust on. We thought we would have to.
We were actually invited. That's right.
It's a 2 dudes and killer tunes podcast.
The the Garage Band of podcast. This is the Garage Band of
podcast. And they were gracious enough to
ask us to sit down with them andtalk mostly about live shows,
concert experiences, Absolutely.And the music in general.
Yeah. But yeah, we had a good talk

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with them. We had a couple of adult
beverages. We did, and we figured it's a
nice little thing. If you have a chance or probably
not subscribe to both of us. Yeah, you should.
You should absolutely on to thatare low, but you should.
You should. And I figured, yeah, you could
check it out and it will share it with you as a little summer
treat, like a flavor, ice flavor.
Try not to cut the corner of your mouth on it.

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That's true. Bomb pops.
Yeah, but hops are more safe. Oh, yeah.
More phallic. What is it?
But more safe than flavor ice. Flavor ice is, I mean, like a
duck penis. You know, ducks have gigantic
penis. I've heard that.
Yeah. It's a Corkscrew, too.
That's disturbing. Well, but it gets up in there.
It's like a like pasta. Well, with that, enjoying his

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guest appearance. Yeah.
And you might see us pop up later in the summer as as big
things happen. That's true.
Yeah. So here we go.
It's it's us appearing on a guest as guest on episode of Two
Dudes and Killer Tunes. Might sound a little look a
little bit different. We're in a totally different
place. Get ready for it.
All right. Welcome to Season 3, Episode 7.
Welcome everybody, you are. Sitting awfully close to me.

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I know well. That's for good reason because
we have with us Tank and E from the Extended Play podcast.
Hey, how are you guys doing doing?
Well, how are you guys doing? What doing fabulous, yeah.
So thanks for joining us. Thanks for having us.
Absolutely. It's our first guest appearance.
It is. It is.
Popping our podcast guest Cherry.

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That's awesome, because to be honest, I'm not so sure that
we've been on one yet. No.
We can make that happen. Yeah, that'd be sweet.
Absolutely. Yeah, that's not what I was
looking for by anybody. But I think we can make that
happen, yeah. Absolutely no.
We we were in that documentary that John Penman did OK for a

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couple minutes and he was filming the Shakedown St. at
Billy Strings. Oh cool.
Which is pretty much, it was funand then to see it come out.
So it's awesome. I think we probably monopolize
most of the time so. That's all right.
So I mean, like I said, I kind of just stumbled on you guys
probably about midnight or so one night.
I saw some of your posts and some of your topics and I just

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kind of been following you ever.Since I was trying to think of
that, how we came across each other, I do think it was just
like a hashtag incident where I was like hashtagging music,
music podcast, things like that.And then maybe Michigan or
Detroit related stuff. And then you guys came up and
then we just like started following each other at the same
time. And yeah, you can really enjoy
the show. Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah, I love your guys too.
And we've actually started almost the same exact time about

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two years. Ago.
Yeah, yeah. So how's your journey?
Been. It's been.
I don't know, We're we're in a, we're in a weird place right
now. So we're the extended play
podcast, right? It's just Tank and I, we're
lifelong friends. We've known each other since we
were 12 years old, OK. We always talked about music,
just hanging out. And then you get older and shit

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gets in. We have families and Tank was
living in Europe for a while. So we didn't, we weren't able to
get together, talk about music alot.
Then things kind of converged and we were able to talk more
and Tanks, like these are our best conversations.
We should record these. And then, yeah, you know, we
said from the start, even if no one's listening, and for a while
no one was listening, but it's like, fuck it, we're going to do

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it anyway. Just record it.
It's a genuine, sincere, like we're into it.
And for the most part, if you'reinto stuff, someone's going to
pick up on it, you know, if you're sincere and you're
passionate about something. Then that's what I like about
your guys show and that shines through.
I mean, you love the topic, you're obviously well versed.

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I don't know. Do you guys have any musical?
Background We have no musical, so neither do we.
Yeah, we have no whatsoever. We just.
I wish. I absolutely love it.
I know, I wish. We did, yeah.
If you did who, what would you play?
I had a guitar for a few years, I learned like the 1st 20
seconds like 5 Metallica songs and that was it.
I would play drums though. But the problem with drums is

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like, you know, where do you play them, you know?
See, I would I would get drums. Guy too.
Yeah. No, I would love to.
That's still a dream. I'd like to have a kid
eventually. Yeah.
My daughter and I just talked about taking singing lessons
together. Really.
Yeah. I think that's the only thing I
could do I tried to play. I lived in Chicago for seven
years. I took acoustic guitar classes
at the Old Town School of Folk Music.

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I made it through three lessons and I'm like, I cannot.
It's most humiliating experience.
Like pretty frustrating. I just the hand eye coordination
is just not there. Isn't that which is fine.
Yeah. But that's what it is.
You don't. You don't even realize how hard
that is. To get your hands to do like two
different things. Oh, it's crazy drums.
Like now your two feet and two hands are all doing and.

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Right. Which when you think about it,
the fact that we have a show where we criticize musicians,
it's like, yeah, come on man, wecan't do any of the shit.
Play 1 chord. The worst shit out there is
amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. I can't even do that right.
It's a simple thing. Everyone knows.
Exactly. Yeah, but no, that was
hilarious. And I I try not to criticize

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because I can't do it. Yeah, sometimes you just have
to, to be honest. If I go to a show and it is,
yeah, dumpster fire, yeah, Yeah,you know.
I think live show, live show. Something I don't really like.
It's I'm going to tell you it's not for me.
Yeah, I get. Yeah, you might like it.
I'm not going to shit on you because you like it either.
Yeah, right. I'm think I'm tired of
gatekeepers all around music. It's crazy.

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Yes, I think that's been the oneof the biggest lessons learned
during our show is the idea of something being not for you and
not just shitty. Like there's stuff you can laugh
a lot with. Clearly people weren't putting
in a full effort live shows. I think it's easy to tell right
when someones mailing mailing itin or when the set list just
sucks. Like like how they crows right
That is objectively they chose the wrong songs.

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I don't feel bad about criticizing it but like.
Like the other day. You see that one?
Like who? Tool.
Tool. Yeah, yeah, you told me about
it. Yeah.
A fucking 2 day concert or two day festival with the same
fucking people and they play half the songs.
It's like. That was advertised AS2 unique
set. And then they cop out, then they
cop out. So they were unique setlists.
It's just no dude. Yeah, that was a little.

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Can you imagine how fucking pissed you would be?
Thousands of dollars. A destination thing, right?
Yeah, right. It wasn't even.
Because the guy in my work was looking into it, yeah.
And he's, you know, he went to Sasanta like at Red Rocks or
where he was out in Denver and he looked in and he was like,
dude, it's like 6 grand. He.
Was like, Can you imagine being in that crowd?
And like, because I think the first time they repeated a song

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was like the fifth song and you know, 2 songs are like 12
fucking o'clock. Can you imagine being like in
the crowd like? Hold on.
Yeah. I can't, especially everyone
looking at each other in the crowd like do they play, am I,
am I fucked up or do they play this?
Yep. And that's a Dick move.
And then they were supposed to play another repeat as the
closer. And then they didn't even play

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it right. They walked up.
Oh. Really.
Because they did 10 songs the first night, 9 songs the second
night, and of the 94 they playedthe night before?
God that's a Dick move. It totally is.
Wow. And yeah, it would have been 5
out of 10. Half of it would have been
exactly the same. And people were actually booing
and leaving the same. Yeah.
So like you went to both nights of Metallica?
Yeah, you and I went to the first night, but then you went

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to the next night and I made himgo.
How I just want to how would youthink of it the show?
Was great. The show was great, yeah.
I mean, I think from a production standpoint from like
really smart about having the insuch a huge venue and I don't go
to, I know we're going to talk about probably about the venues
that we like the most. I've never been to a show at
Ford Field. I never saw a show at the
Palace. Like I typically go, I'm the

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more indie guy, he's the more big spectacle guy.
So they did a great, great balance of like you're in that
huge environment, but it didn't feel huge and you guys go to
that one. No, I did not.
Yeah, one was that that was. November of 23. 23 just well,
recently, but yeah, but. They didn't, they didn't play
any. I mean, were there any repeats?
Oh, no, that's the whole is no repeat the whole scene.

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Right, Right. Same generation.
Right. Essentially A musician pump up
my boys like Lars he's famous for whenever they go to a sit
Lars makes the settle yeah and he pulls up.
When's the last time we were here?
What did we play? So they don't they try not to
repeat from 7 years ago that's. Crazy.
That's awesome. Yeah.
I can talk about Metallica. That's a whole a whole other
podcast. No, no, that's awesome.

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Yeah, but the that's a whole other topic is set lists, right.
Yeah. So people, I used to love Pearl
Jam. OK, I still like them, but yeah,
that went and saw them in Augustlast year.
I'm like, I don't know, I'll go again.
OK, I probably would only because the set was sucked.
No kidding. Oh my.
I was so disappointed. I could see that.

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Just like deep. Cuts.
Is that what they're no well. I mean, they're notorious for, I
mean, they'll have 80 to 100 songs ready to go and change
them up. And I'm watching all these set
lists beforehand and one, I mean, they played like, call it
8:00-ish of the new album. Which is fine.
But they also used to play damn near 30 songs.
But they also dialed that back. They used to play like 3-3 hour

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shows. Now they're 2/15, 2:30.
So you play 8 songs new. They played one song from
verses, which is my favorite. Yeah, it's great.
And it was Daughter You. Don't need to hear that live.
No, no, I mean I'd. Read Low Energy.
Mir go animal. I mean there's so many other
songs and then very heavy on Mytology.

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I'd like it. But that was where for me it was
kind of like, okay, I think for me you're plateau.
Yeah me as a fan for sure. I like this stuff, my taste kind
of we're moving on. So it was like 95 ish or so.
Yeah, 96 even. Maybe so, but yeah.
But then you could go 2 nights in a row and you know the next
night might have been the. Best show up right?

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Totally. Now one of my favorite bands
ever, Smashing Pumpkins. I understand people, You either
love them or you hate them and I'm fine.
I don't care if you hate them and still go and see them all
the time for their entire tour. The set list is exactly the
same. OK, OK.
And I've never really liked thatbecause what if you want to go
and kind of mix it up four or five different ones?

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But I did buy his solo. Oh yeah, I just saw.
Andrews Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rapids.
And I'm like, I hope that he plays something different, but
in those venues I don't care. Isn't he doing some weird like
Anniversary of Machina or something like that?
Is that those shows? OK, so he's going to play a
number of songs from that one record.
There's going to be that, and I thought I read somewhere too,
because since it's like the 30thanniversary of Melancholy.

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Oh cool, some of that is great. And then who knows?
Yeah, we saw them at Lollapalooza, right?
I think before that, yeah, 90. 4Did you guys think of that?
I don't know, 94 was like a yearof awakening musically for I
think both of us. We started expanding our
horizons and I don't know that we were ready for Lollapalooza,
but I think it kind of started things like getting into 18

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because we're more into hair metal and or speed metal and
shit like that, or hip and tons of hip hop.
Yeah. And so to see like Smashing
Pumpkins and whoever else was down that Bill was a crazy Bill
George Beastie Boys, Beastie Boys, Beastie Boys P Funk like.
P Funk Yeah. Soundgarden, I think.
No, Soundgarden is 92. OK, so 94 was the Breeders.
Breeders, right. It had a Tribe called quest,

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Nick Cave, Nick Cave and Bad Seeds.
Yep, Yep. Parliament Beasties and
pumpkins. And a lot of people hated the
pumpkins. That's.
Why? Yeah, yeah, no, I remember
liking it enough. Well, because they still played
a lot of the Siamese Dream stuff, yeah, but they also at
that time were playing a lot of gish.
Well, there's. A ton of feedback and shit.

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So there's times their songs aregoing on for like 12 minutes.
Yeah, like the last six, like feedback and people like what
the fuck? So funny story about that.
Maybe off topic a little, but I saw them after that.
I'm like, I kind of like these guys.
I really got into Siamese Dream and I went and saw him at what
was then the State Theater, which is now Fillmore.
Right now, OK. So you got it.

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So I went and at the end of the show they Corgan basically says,
you know what, this last song, it's going to get feedbacky and
loud and weird. This is really just for us.
We're fucking around here. And if you don't, if you're not
into it, you can go. And that's totally cool.
And it was great because I wasn't ready for that shit yet.
And it was going to be like a 15minute long song and people just

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kind of filtered out. I thought that was like tons of
respect for your audience to do something like that, right?
He's always labeled a Dick. He does seem like hitter.
Yeah, yeah, I. Would say he probably was a Dick
back in his 20s, but I also kindof give all those people a pass
because who fucking wouldn't be?All that.
Money and then all the fame and people in your face and you're

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you know, you're already. I mean, I don't want to say
weird, but I mean like you are in 21 and in one of the biggest
bands. I've so obviously.
I couldn't even imagine. But I will say like because I've
seen them now. I think.
You had maybe missed one or two,but I've seen him five times
since May of 22. Yeah, it's and the interactions

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with the crowd, it's so much better.
Nice. And like him and James on stage.
OK, like kind of joking. Around, plus every artist, even
if they are kind of a Dick, theyget older, they settle down,
they calm down and they're more appreciative of the moment.
Like I will say, people didn't have to be here.
Yeah, sure, 100%, yeah. And, you know, he brought his,
like, son out and he was dancingcool.
He was singing, I think it was Save a door or whatever, but.

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But. Couple things 1 he actually said
in 94. I remember when it used to be
cool to be from Detroit because the crowd was giving so much
shit at all. Oh wow.
OK. But they fucked that whole thing
up. Yeah, because Nirvana was
supposed to be the headline. Oh, were they?
The rumor was they were going togive him 10 million bucks to do

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the headline. Yeah, Cobain supposedly.
It was like, fuck it, I don't care.
I don't want it. Yeah, pressured them and then
obviously he died. So then they're like, oh shit.
What? So that was when they had the
pumpkins move up to the headline.
The biggest mistake was is moving them to the headliner.
Pumpkins were already going to be the one right before.

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Oh, they were OK. They should have moved the
beasties to the. Headline.
Yeah, 100%. And because everyone was there
to see Beastie. Boys.
That you had literally half and half almost for the pumpkins.
So people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And some of them like walked outwith like, yeah, that was kind
of lame, even though the whole show up to that point was some
killer for. You know, yeah, that's on the
promoter. Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, absolutely. I always thought that I'm like,
you could have, if you just madethat one little tweet, then he
would have had, I think, tribe and then I don't know, because
it was like tribe and beasties almost back-to-back anyway, was
it? And I like, what have you been a
better? Yeah, you know, back whatever.
Sure. But yeah, I would say he's a
little bit of a kinder, gentler.But I do think that Billy Corgan

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may be the next Gene Simmons. Oh yeah, he does have a money.
And his money on his money, Absolutely.
Tea shops and being on wrestling, he's been trying to
diversify. Owns the wrestling always
dropping new new versions of thealbums.
I did go to the tea shop though when I went to.

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Did you OK? It was cool, yeah.
I had cool friends around, but that's where they recorded the
30th anniversary of Siamese Dream.
Oh yeah, I saw that they were trying to like recreate.
Yeah, the release part. Created the tower records right
in there. And you know the thing from
three? It was.
I did end up watching it on the stream yeah, but I tried getting
tickets but it was like Oh yeah,insane.

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A buddy of mine went to. It no shit.
I mean, how many people could fit in there?
It was like 202 hundred people. That'd.
Be awesome. 200 people acoustic.So I'm his dream all the way
through. Amazing.
Oh yeah. So I, I recorded, I had to do it
on my phone, but then I couldn'trecord and watch the TV, You
know, I had to get my daughter's.
I could record some of it because I'm like, this is
amazing. That's awesome.

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Well, one of them was mayonnaise.
Yeah, because I never, I haven'tseen that shit live since.
Do they not do it live? Well, they just did when I saw
them December at the Aragon, which technically the name of
the song is my own Eyes. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, I
feel. Like I read that one and versus
2IN it and then that was just his funny.
Way that's cool. Feels like that.

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But going back that 96 show, so that was at the State Theater,
Yes. The thing is, that's like 2500
people. Yeah.
Yeah. And that was at the height of
their, like, popularity. Yeah.
Because that was right when my own collie came out.
So that if you look at that set list, I always go back.
Do you ever look at those? No, I don't.

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Not past ones. Nosetlistfm.com.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'll go back because I'm
like, when did I hear that song?Sure.
So I'm looking at that. I mean, literally, Gish Siamese
drink, melancholy and like 25 songs.
Wow. I was, like, the most incredible
show. Yeah, but we actually saw one of
the like, the last six shows of the true Smashing Pumpkins.

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Because Jimmy Chamberlain left after that.
Well, he was kicked out. Kicked out because Jonathan
Melvin or whatever. Passed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like 6 shows after we
saw no shit and then Chamberlainwas gone and by the time he came
back the others were gone. And so now it's back to
obviously Chamberlain, Eha and. Corgan, right, Which that's
always been. Yeah, sure.

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People are like, oh, I miss Darcy.
Do you really? Yeah, do you know bass that
well? Right, right.
Because I mean, I'm sorry, they have Jack Bates now, who is the
son of Peter. Hook.
Oh, no shit. No order.
OK. Yeah, yeah.
And so he plays with Peter Hook and the like, and he also plays,
he's been playing with the Pumpkins since like 18.
OK, might as well just make him the 4th member.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of hate that they do,

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yeah. You know, didn't garbage open
that show? Yes.
And they were fuck, I mean, Shirley.
Do you like Shirley, man? Oh, yeah.
She was incredible. Like rock star persona.
Coming in town are. Yeah, there's there's something
going on. Yeah, they are.
Coming and it's. Is it local Heroic I?
Think. OK, yeah, she was fantastic.
Just commanded the stage right. Just incredible.

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See, I I totally forgot about that.
So I looked up that set list andthen it was like opener garbage.
I'm like, holy shit, yeah, I don't even remember seeing.
Garbage. That was I think, after the
first album, right? Which was a great record, right,
so. I just wanted to take a moment
to thank God Whole Nation for mybuzz today.

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It's not like starting the firstepisode with a triple IPA.
I didn't even realize it. Was a triple.
Jesus. Well, this is actually the last
day we're recording in this studio, so you guys will be the
second to last episode. Should.
We trash it or we're done. That's.
Exactly where we're, yeah, I hope so, yeah.
Just throw a shark out the window in.

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The basement, we can throw shit up.
We got to. Throw it up.
The couch out there. Loses something, we have to
throw it up, yeah. So the one thing I do remember,
two things that stick out about your show 1 I remember catching
just a short clip. It might have been like a promo.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ever.
I want to say it was you talkingabout N.W.A.
It might have been like one of the funniest things I've ever.
Seen so that. Just because one, I mean, I'm a
huge, I mean nice older white guys, you know, and then you
grow up and you look like older white guys and you still talk
about it. Yeah, but that and then when you

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guys are going through like the top 100.
Yeah, I think it was the same thing 'cause I thought it was
straight out of Compton made ourlist of, so we did so.
It was albums, is that? Albums, yeah.
So for anybody that's just beingintroduced for the first time,
we did a countdown of the 100 best albums of our lifetime, so
roughly 1980. This is 20 year guys.
Yes, no input from anyone. Else no, well, not input.

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But I mean like didn't look at other lists and all.
That, yeah, because it's like, where do you start?
Something like that, right. It's overwhelming.
So yeah, we took all the popularlists, dumped them into a buck
and said here's 800 or so albumsthat we'll call them candidates,
right? And then from there we said, OK,
here's the hundred that we thinkare the best.
We did 1980 to 2020 because likeafter that's too recent, before

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1980, we're not going to re legislate.
Is the White Album better than elses of the Holy or OK, that's
for other people. But like, since we were kind of
like buying music, I think my first album was in 1983.
It's the Footloose soundtrack. Yeah, but I brought on cassette
and I left it on the jewelry counter at Hudson.
I started crying. My mom had to go get it.

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Yeah. Rest in peace.
Yeah. But ever since.
So it's like, OK, since we've been in music, let's just focus
on that period. Yeah.
So we were doing a countdown of the top 100 albums of our
lifetime and N.W.A straight out of Compton was on the list.
And I was Yeah. And I was wearing.
It just happened. We we're video.

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We started doing video about a year ago.
We added video. So every episode is video.
You can listen to it audio only,but we are recording video
pretty much every time and I waswearing what I wear.
I'm kind of a dandy. So I like like a yellow
cardigan. Sweater like a flower shirt.
And I was talking straight to camera, looking at myself and
saying like, oh, you know what'sgreat about this album?

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And I'm like, Oh my God, I look like a fucking douche.
And so I said something that came to like, yeah, like you
want to take your advice on 80s hip hop from this guy?
Yeah, that was a lot. I was rolling.
But that's the beauty of music, though, Is anyone, can anyone?
Absolutely. You have your own opinion, but
you can actually be a pretty damn well versed, almost expert

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in any genre. Yeah.
And that's why I always say we're the garage band of
podcasts where no genres off limits.
Yeah. I'll go to any show.
I'll have people on. You know what?
I love hearing about concerts and music that I've never really
been to. Totally.
You know that you guys like, Oh my God, you got to go like 1 was
Frank Turner. I never listened to him, never
even heard of him. And it was someone about six

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months ago, my stepbrother was like, oh, have you ever seen
Frank? You got to go, you got to go and
then you know, like, you know, you get busy to just forget
about shit. Well, then another buddy of mine
just went over to like England to watch the dudes like 3
thousandth show and he's playingthe Elk Club in Mexican time.
It's like 400 people. I've never been there before and

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I've been listening to him and it's like a he's like Auk guy.
OK, so it's like a folky punk type.
It's awesome. So I'm so excited for that show.
Isn't that great? But I'm totally off my radar.
Yeah, You know, never would havepicked that one or listened to a
longer. You hope you come across them,
but it's almost harder now if you don't listen to the radio.

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People aren't really just, like talking music and exchanging it.
No. And you say, oh, listen to this
song. I'm like, well, don't they have
other songs? That was the best.
I would get an album and listen to it and then you would see all
those deeper cuts in a concert and then like, that's when you
really got. That's a whole episode I think
we've had in like in the back ofour heads for a while.

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Is this disconnect now? And you know, the lack of the
water cooler because like, I work from home, right?
Like you're not talking to people about what you're into
and you're not. There's no common, there's no
common culture, right? Like not everybody's in their
own little. So you can get so far deep into
like fucking black metal and andthen like all this such sub
genres there of that. You never talk about the stuff

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that everybody can get into, andthen you miss out on a lot of
cool new stuff. 100. Percent right.
And then there's also, there's always the thing of like, you
don't know who to like, yeah, somebody may give you a
suggestion. You're like, I'm not into that
at all. And you have to deal with that
did. You listen to that?
I'm like, yeah, yeah. I did.
What do you think? Right thing.
Yeah. And you hope that they're like,

(24:12):
not for everyone, because that should be everyone's absolute
about music. But no, everything it always
comes back to. Apparently Lane, Staley and
Alice In Chains are the best band ever.
Yeah, man. See, I don't jive with that
attitude that that's the thing. I think one of the unique things
about Tank and I is that and onething I think that has been
really good about the podcast isit's forced us to keep listening

(24:34):
to new music. Yes.
I can't you. Can't get lazy because it's it's
kind of a cop out. We could be a show that talks
about KISS and what whatever allthe time.
And I guess that's something. But why you run out of material?
We're still just as passionate. Now, well, and how do you gain a
new following? Like Generation could give two
fine thoughts about KISS becauseyou know what?
They kind of suck. Fucking hate to say it.

(24:55):
They were other time, right? There's a bubble.
They were. Great at their point in time
when they were at the height, you know, and kind of took rock
to a whole different, you know, level right, but they do kind of
suck and they definitely shouldn't be playing anymore.
But but that being said. Look at the holograms.
Do it for us. That's.
Right, but no. That's what I totally agree.

(25:16):
It's made us really pay more attention.
I mean, we just went to the freako show at The Loving Touch
in Ferndale. No shit.
No, I've never been to loving touch.
I mean it is tiny. I mean it's like a bar.
They have pool tables in it thatthey.
Move at most 200. It's kind of like a.
Couple 100, two or three house maybe.
Yeah, and it's cool. I just.
Saw actually a buddy of mine's from Chicago so knew of them but

(25:39):
then saw him play on like a little side stage at
Lollapalooza. Then I saw him at the Majestic
in September open for Royal Otisout of Australia.
They're known for the cranberries cover of Linger and
that's where they got famous. Do they like?
Flip it on its head or like is it a?
Different style of music. I mean, it's, it's basically,

(26:02):
you know, that's the new thing, right?
It's a two piece with the touring.
Band I see. Gotcha.
Young guys put them at like 21 ish guy on the guitar, other guy
sings and he'll I think he playsguitar for some song.
But they're really good. I was pretty impressed with them
and then but then we saw Fariko loving touch.
It was amazing to see just from August to now because this was

(26:24):
the tail under this tour, you know, like 30 dates or some of
their first big tour, first album, and I'm watching like,
holy shit, these guys are like what a difference, you know?
And that was a good feeling because you probably remember
that when you catch that band early on.
Absolutely. And then you're watching them
and then you see these shows andthey're getting a little bigger,
but they're getting better. And then all of a sudden they're

(26:45):
and then they get too big. And then that's where the snobs
come. I remember when I saw them
loving tough. Yeah, they got the label.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a shitty attitude, No?
It drives me nuts because you know what?
There's nothing better than a live show for me.
Yeah, I think. What keeps you guys going?
You guys still go to shows quitea bit or as much as you can.

(27:07):
Don't Yeah, I mean, it probably should go more.
I mean, I, I think I'm probably 3 to 5 a year.
I need to get out. You're probably you're probably
more 10, probably more closer to10.
But but definitely since we started doing the podcast, we're
going more, right. And this summer we're going to
go almost for business purposes,you know, so it's like, you
know, what, if something remotely interesting might come
by this let's go. Doesn't have to be like one of

(27:27):
our favorites. Absolutely.
That's how I exactly. There's been some like violent
febs. Never seen them.
Was our huge fan. Not necessarily.
Yeah, that's a show I want to see.
Yeah, because I always say it's like if you have those bands
even remotely you want to see them, you better fucking better
go. So never know.
One of our funnier stories, actually.
So we have, we have a deal because we have, we both have a

(27:49):
pretty eclectic mix of taste, you know, but there's a little
bit of overlap. Not a lot, not a lot actually.
That's crazy. So we have a deal, though.
We're getting older, you know, when you're younger, it's like,
what are we doing this weekend? Like let's go see his show.
All right, whatever. You get older, you lose people
to go to shows with, right? So we have a standing deal
that's like if one of us wants to go, the other has to say yes.

(28:09):
Yeah, I like it so. This is like maybe five years
ago. And he's like, OK, it's a Sunday
night. They're going to go see this
band called Astronoid Like OK, never heard of.
Astronoid astronaut. Terrible band name, first of
all. Yeah.
I mean, that's not a good start.That's why I repeated it.
So I'm. Like OK.
Very bad hemorrhoid. Right.

(28:32):
Exactly. So it's like, where's the day?
It's like, oh, it's. Was it the Crowfoot?
Yeah, The Crowfoot Pontiac, Yeah, and we live, I mean it's
20 minute drive. So Sunday night we're like,
alright, well let's go get some food or drinks for it.
So we drive to downtown Pontiac,which you can imagine on a
Sunday night, there's tumbleweed, no one there.
But then we're getting closer tothe venue and say where we going

(28:52):
to park? And then we just, we're right in
front of it and there's like there's no cars here.
Like, is this okay? So we park, we go in, we try
well, we try to get a drink. Every place is closed, every
place is closed. So we finally go in and it the
show starts at 7:00 maybe and it's like 645.
No opener. No opener.
Yeah. We go in to the bar.

(29:14):
There are five people in there. So.
And as it turns out, the band issetting up.
And then it turns out the other people that aren't us are family
members of the. Oh, yeah, there's the people are
staying with. They're sleeping on these
people's couches. So then like the the show starts
and you can't hide in that situation.
It's like, I don't know the band, I don't know the songs.

(29:35):
I can't fake the excitement. I'm like, I'm here with the
spectacle. The lead singer had great 'cause
they play all instrumental, but the the guy had a they're
instrumental. No, no, they he sings.
That's how much I paid. So but he had a great sense.
He comes out, he's like, who's ready to rock?
It was like awkward and awesome 'cause like I can't normally to

(29:57):
show you can like check your phone like.
Right. 2000, yeah. Right.
They're looking at you, right? They're like, alright man, he's
awesome. And he's thinking, my management
book this fucking place where no, there were no, they knew
there were no tickets sold, right?
Yeah. And on top of it, the Crowfoot
has essentially 2 venues. Yeah, there's we're, it's
Crowfoot's like an upstairs bar essentially.

(30:18):
So yeah. Crowfoot, the one that's the old
clutch car, goes no, no. No, it's super small.
Yeah. OK.
And then there's there's an actual theater like down the
hall. And there was like some it was
there was remember, it was like a twerking contest.
It was like a hip hop show. It was a Sunday night.
It was way louder down there than it was in our venue.
And this, these guys are like thrash metal, like playing loud

(30:40):
and fast and you can still hear fucking Juvenile and Master P
down there way more than the. Do you guys know of a band
called The National? So I've I've seen the National
at Crowfoot. No shit.
And not that theater, but that little bar.
The little bar. Nice.
Me back in the day, you know, like they were not big yet, like

(31:02):
holy shit. And there's, I don't know, 100
people there, 100. Probably, but most, right?
Yeah. But that's why, that's why I
went, why we went. It's like, why not?
Shows like that are like a fucking lottery ticket.
You're probably going. To lose.
If you lose, you got a good story.
Yeah. But it might be the best show
ever because you got to vibe with the band and you drink
beers with them. Right.

(31:23):
No, absolutely. And you know what?
For me, I was never a, I mean, when I first went to shows, you
would get there early no matter what, so you'd see openers.
But like you said, sometimes youhad a garbage smash of pumpkin
or, you know, the opener's, like, insane.
Yeah. Sometimes you go to these
theatre shows and it's like the openers.
Whatever. Right, Right.
Right. But I make sure I go now.
Do you? Yeah.
You know, OK. Even if it's just good.

(31:44):
Well, I also do a lot of networking, you know?
Yeah, sure. I'm in the smoking lounge all
the time because that's where the people hang out.
I can start talking. I pass it on stickers.
That's true. I do messes, but I always try to
get at least one video from the opener or as much as I can.
And sometimes it's like, like, totally surprising.
Yeah, absolutely. Shit.
These guys are amazing, you know, And then that's always

(32:07):
been what I love doing. Was kind of like spreading the
word about new music. Absolutely.
You know, I will say to the day I die, no one was a bigger fan
of Wilco except for me, and I brought everyone on board with
that. That's awesome, right From day
one. Your friend group like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I'm like, Oh my God, listen
to this. And you know, if they're coming,

(32:27):
like we're all going, there's noplate.
The Majestic. Nice.
And they had old 90 sevens open Jesus, which I love old yeah,
they're great sevens. And I went back and looked at
that set list from the Majestic and it was everything AM being
there. Summer.
Teeth and some of Mermaid Ave. OK.

(32:49):
And it was like 2527 songs. Awesome.
It was like going back and you actually realize.
Yeah, what I just saw. Yeah, sure, you know, but you
don't really. Yeah.
You know, and then you were at that one, I know for sure.
And them and then Sun Volt at the majestic and old 90 sevens.
I saw at the Magic stick it was even smaller.

(33:11):
I saw iron and wine at Magic Stick.
That was how was that? It was terrible and he's great.
I really like Sam being the guy that is out in the wine, right.
And this was after the second full length, I think whatever
year that was. The magic stick again, for
people who don't know it's it's a bar and a pool hall
essentially and write the name. Maybe.

(33:34):
Maybe a different kind of magic stick it.
Was like the magic. That's like the magic bag.
It was fine. Like this year I'm like.
Do you think? The guy, were they talking about
Dove this whole time? Yeah, no.
So I think. We need to go ahead before we
forget the magic bag. Remember the show we went to
there? I didn't go.

(33:54):
You weren't there. No, no, you weren't there.
OK, so one of the one of the artists that we sort of either
ironically kind of like is PM Dog.
So there are like four of us exactly like the little dude and
the big dude hippie vibe. So we're like, let's go to the
PM Dawn show because there's this one song in particular that

(34:16):
we love is like, no, they'll fucking play it.
Whatever. They've got nothing else to do
on a Thursday night. So we go and Magic bag seats
1000 maybe? 500, I would say 5 to 7, OK.
So it was. Depending how packed they're.
Probably 5070% full when the show or when it was supposed to
start. Apparently they had airplane

(34:37):
flight, they were late, right? So they were hours late and the
promoter would come out every 30-40 minutes with his cell
phone and put him on the microphone and they'd.
Be like, hey, what's up? Like we're on the 9/4, we're on
our way, but like. We'll be there in a minute.
It's going to be awesome. Like nobody calls it that.

(35:07):
So overtime, cause like no one'sthat big of APM dog.
So as time goes on, people are just filtering out.
We're like we're we're, we're init.
Yeah, yeah. So.
They go on maybe 11 and there are 10 to 15 people there.

(35:29):
So they get on stage and it is the most anticlimactic, like
there's no instrument. It's fucking PM done.
There's no instruments, there's no backdrop, there's no
lighting, there's no smoke, fog,nothing.
It's just at like 1117, this bigass guy and his little buddy.
Just walk around so. There was the the one song

(35:52):
fucking the. Die without you.
No, there's one. There's one song.
It's a great fucking song. I will not besmirch that song,
no. No, it's great.
But there's this one song. It's like, I like the way I
forgot the name of the song, butit's a deep cut and it's the
only fucking reason we were there.
It's like when we go to see Poison, we want to see Ride the
Wind. Yeah, that's.
All I want and I know what you're talking about.
They have like 3 really good songs.

(36:13):
Go ahead. So we're like, all right, this
is what we want to hear, and we're up on the barrier because
of course we are, because there's fucking 10 people there.
And the big guy is that Prince B.
Again, securely in your pocket because you can't do shit
because they're locking eyes. Locking eyes with their dog when
they're shitting. So he he sits on a chair because

(36:36):
he can't stand and perform. Apparently he died a handful of
years later. He was.
Out of shape. So then the DJ and I'm air
quoting because he comes out with a fucking iPod and that's
not an exaggeration. He didn't even bother to have
the courtesy to set up like somefucking turntables.
Whatever. He walks out with an iPod
connected like via USB to some APA system, and we're like, oh,

(36:57):
like play because they're actually like, what do you want
to hear? Like what do you want to hear?
Like individuals like you tank. Everyone gets to pick go song.
Yeah, don't worry, you'll get 2-3.
Yeah, like a fucking fantasy football.
We're gonna go snake order therelike.
And so we request that one song and I shit, you're not.

(37:19):
He goes, yeah, we don't have. No way.
We're just the people that made it, but we have.
It's like you have at this pointthey have 4 albums maybe it's
like what do you have like 1 megabyte on that thing?
Didn't didn't one of our friendstake her bra off and throw it at
them? Yes. 10 people in the audience
fucking. Disaster of a show they end up

(37:41):
doing like an hour. Was it the old little like iPod
clip on? Yeah, the real player choose.
Specific songs. I got the shuffle here.
Whatever we get, we get. What a fucking.
Disaster. I will say the Magic Bag sucks.
It's one of my favorite places because they have surprisingly
amazing acts. Yeah, I saw Cracker there in

(38:03):
January. Oh, I saw that, Yeah.
Yeah, that was never a huge. Cracker Oh, do you have like?
A somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I was never a huge cracker fan, but I listened to him early
in college. Sure.
Said the magic. They had some jams though, yeah.
Well, that's what I realized when I'm you go to these shows
and you like. Oh, they're fucked.
I forgot about that one. You forgot about that one.
And then you're hearing other stuff.

(38:24):
Yeah. For like 30 bucks I.
Mean but it. Was like, you know, like why
not? You can.
Still find good tickets especially at places like that
and you can upcharge to like stand on the side.
Sure. But what I found so I went to
that helmet show. Nice.
Helmet at the Magic. Bag.
Was it good? My God.
Sounded awesome. It was like super loud, but I'll
say it was like really tight. Nice.

(38:46):
You heard, You know what? Yeah.
He could be loud but be distorted and shitty.
It was. Loud and awesome.
Nice. And I was never a huge helmet
fan, but I did like, was it unsung?
Was a good one yeah, there's a from that was the big hit you.
Know Unsung was a hit, but it was in the meantime.
That's the name of the album or whatever.
And then they came out with Betty.

(39:06):
So this was the 30th anniversaryof Betty.
So they played all of that and then all those other.
Fucking oh nice. They play like 30 songs, Jesus,
but first band comes out, see them War on Women, which they're
really good. And the other thing I like, if
you go and see the openers, you can hang out with them after.
Yeah. That is cool.
So you go and get pictures and you talk to them and you know,

(39:28):
it's awesome to just see them try to make it.
And they were really good. So I'm going to talk to other
people. I didn't realize there's another
fucking band coming out but it'slike 9. 15 Oh yeah, we've gone
through. I don't appreciate that.
That pisses me off, right? Like look, I got shit to do.
This was a Sunday show, which actually I do love Sunday shows,

(39:50):
but it was they were called Slomosa and they're out of
Norway. So it's kind of like, you know,
you know how they love like kindof like their metal bang and
they were really good and then. Out of time, they did not end
until like 11:45 on a. Song.
Fucking night. They ripped through like 27
songs. The opener?

(40:12):
No, no, no. But still not the headliner
though, right? No, no helmet was the headline.
Right, but helmet didn't start until 11:45.
No, no, they started at about college.
Oh, I see. No, they started about 10.
Gotcha. Gotcha.
Yeah, I'm getting used to shows and some anywhere between 10:00
and 11:00. 11, yeah, absolutely.Yeah.
My understanding is after, As for the bigger venues, after 11,

(40:33):
it's a huge union issue, correct?
That they can't go one minute after there's all sorts of
overtime and also a neighborhoodissue with sound, especially
when they find out. Yeah, with the sound and
everything. Yeah.
And that and well, I remember like the little venues in
theaters. I mean that would be the norm
back. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
I'm. 50 Now that ain't the norm.For this guy, that's.

(40:53):
What I was going to say is we talk about long shows like my
knee. I told him we went to go see was
it the hives? Well, the hives and we saw no,
it was Kamasi Kamasi Washington,which was like the last show
before COVID. That was like March 14th, 2020.
It was like days before the world got shut down.
That was at Saint Andrews. And we went back to see the
hives at Saint Andrews last year.
But like I told my knees have two hours if it's a standing

(41:17):
show like I can't, I can't do 2 1/2 three hours.
No, we had an issue where we went to see explosions in the
sky. My wife and I, we went since
then I've seen them a few Times Now and it was at Masonic
Temple. OK, had never actually been.
I've never been in the Masonic Temple.
Didn't list the openers had could not find it, wasn't on
setlist dot FMI could not find who the how many openers or what

(41:39):
time they went on any of that kind of stuff.
We get there. There are three fucking openers.
3 Bullshit. I'm a married dude with a young
kid. I got to work.
I got to work. I got to babysitter.
Yeah, right. And like she she's in high
school. She can't stay until 1:00 in the
morning. Where the fuck it is?
Yeah, we had to leave in the middle of the set.
Yeah. It's awful.
I was so. Mad.

(41:59):
I mean, luckily we got to go seehim again in a smaller venue
and. That was when was that first
one, but they're usually the dog.
Explosions. It was probably just five years
ago. The last one we saw was maybe a
year ago. We saw them at Royal Look Music
Theater, Yes, Yeah, which is way.
Too. Or did your daughter at least
get to see that one too? Or no.
No, she didn't know. It was my wife and I who had
went oh. Your wife now.
Yeah. And she went.

(42:20):
Yeah, it was Tank and I and my wife came and we did the did
that show. That was a good show, Yeah.
I've never heard of them. They're all instrumental.
Did you watch Friday Night Lights, the TV show, All that
music, all that cool guitar music.
The intro is Explosions in the Sky.
Yeah. OK.
It's totally atmospheric. Loud, Quiet, loud, quiet.
Loud, quiet. I didn't know them at all before

(42:41):
the show. I did end up buying the album
after. Pretty good.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, there's a lot there. It's.
Like Paul's Ghost was great. Maus is band from Brooklyn,
remember we had him on. Oh yeah, yeah.
I claimed the fame last season. We had Peter, just Stefano on
the show. OK from porno for pyro.
Nice, so nice the. Guitarist, right?
You know, and because they were forming this new band, OK, so we

(43:04):
had him on and it was him and bass player and drummer from
like Brooklyn, but obviously Peter's from LA.
So we're having him on or whatever.
And it's actually the last thingwe heard because, you know, I
have to get up and turn off the Zoom meeting.
So sometimes they're still on when you hit it.
So the last thing I heard was, well, that was a lot of fun,

(43:27):
wasn't it? So I'm like, oh man, that's.
Awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So then but like, your episode won't come out until probably
almost two months from now. OK.
We've banked quite a few since our situation here and so
there's was draft like a month later.
So I'm getting ready to drop it and I'm on Instagram rated tag

(43:48):
Chevron Buffet which is the nameof this band.
Can't find them, so I texted oneguy and I'm like, hey, I'm
having trouble. He's like, yeah, we're not
playing together anymore. So in the time that we actually
recorded it and dropped it, theybroke up.
Band broke up, but we were on the leading edge of both news.
Brand new band with Peter Destefano from all over Files

(44:10):
breaks up. Incredible.
You do a documentary? Yeah.
Absolutely. Behind the music.
Well, don't laugh, I am actuallymaking a documentary.
Oh nice. Yeah nice.
The whole 2 dudes journey with adivorce and everything else and
all that. But the climax is what I well,

(44:32):
of course you have to have a Plan B, but my climax is I'm
going to Ben Harper's My Forever5.
So we got to get in that. Way.
Yeah, sure. But I saw him and I figured it
out. It was 96.
He opened up for Dave Matthews. Pine Knot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they played five songs.
What? Because Freddie Jones was like
the middle. He used to like Freddie Jones of

(44:53):
college. Yeah.
Yeah. It does not hold up, but it was
good then. It's always good to hear when it
shows. Up on the.
Playlist but so, but it was themBen Harper, then Freddie Jones
and Dave Matthews and I just that was the first time I saw
him. I'd listen to, you know, some of
his stuff, but for him if you actually see it live.
Totally different, yeah, to me, especially with the the web

(45:16):
seal, yeah, yeah. And.
So as I was going through this whole divorce, and I mean, I
already had this in the back of my mind because with two dudes,
I just do it. I'd say for the last two years
I've done what I wanted to do. Sure, sometimes she would go,
sometimes she wouldn't, but so as before, the Steven Hammer,
you know what, Ben Harper's going on a whole tour and he's

(45:37):
coming back to Royal Oak Music Theatre June 6.
I'm like, well of course I'm going to that, but I'm like,
fuck it. June 4th he's in Toronto and
June 7th he's in Chicago. No shit.
So on June 3rd, I'm driving up to Toronto.
Nice. I'm going to hang out there for
a couple days, check out the show, come back the next day,
have a couple old soccer buddiesthat I'm going to end up

(45:58):
crossing paths with the way thatlive up there and then drive
back, go see him on the 6th and Royal Oak.
Wake up the next day, drive to Chicago and see him in Chicago.
Incredible auditorium. And the whole crux of this
documentary is going to be me trying to get an actual
interview with Ben Harper. Nice.
So I'll be part of, you know, OK.
And I'm assuming that probably won't happen, but you never

(46:20):
know. You bring a big ass sign to the
first show. There you go.
I'll be like interview. Question mark, yeah, right.
And. Then have another side of
Detroit that says, interview question mark, see you in
Chicago and be like, all right, this fucking guy, right?
Right. Or and then maybe throw him your
fucking underwear. Yeah, look at the.
Problem but Raleigh. Is actually they're doing.

(46:41):
I've done that once. Yeah, I wasn't crazy about.
I don't. Well, that's a whole probably
separate conversation. The seating at a show that can
be, it's a wildly different experience depending on show to
show. And I think sometimes artists
make the wrong call and have chairs when they shouldn't and
or vice versa. That's what I was wondering.
I mean, it's been Harper innocent criminals, but they
also really slowed down at times.

(47:03):
So I'm all I'm kind of wonderingwhat kind of show.
Is this going to and also there I think it's more about their
fan base. So like I really like the like 2
hour knees, right, yeah, like I really like the verve pipe.
Like that's another college. They're doing.
They're always No no I. Like always be.
Around I saw a couple of, you know, they were advertising, but
like either the film or something like that coming to

(47:24):
do. But.
I've never seen them before. No shit.
So we were in East Lansing when they were huge and they're at
Grand Rapids Lansing. What's that?
You. Guys are steak guys, yeah.
We were roommates, Titan guys. Okay, nice.
But sweet mates, yeah, okay, we were roommates.
Roommates and sweet mates, yeah,but I watch, so I follow them on
social media. I still, I still think they're

(47:44):
great. Then whatever, I'm going to be a
stereotype. Just like we said earlier, the
older stuff was better, but the news right but.
Well, yeah, that case, I remember before the argument
that they were playing shows like 5 grand.
It's someone's birthday party. Like dude, you just love
playing. Yeah, people want to hear us.
Yes, why not? Exactly?
Which is, you know what, fuckingwho cares?

(48:05):
But either that or they go on only fans and start fucking.
Hawking their feet. Like, yeah.
Kate Nash, Right? But I watch, I follow them on
social media and they'll show these shows and it's all seated.
It's all seated. This is a rock.
Yes, The Freshman is their biggest song and it's a slow
song, but they are a rock band. It's all people that look like

(48:25):
us, our age, right? All middle age, white people.
And they're all just sitting there, like quietly watching a
it creeps. I don't like it.
That's not rock'n'roll to me. And you know, I, I agree there
should never be seats in that scenario.
And if people need to have seats, they're available.
Yes, exactly right. And put them a little further.
Don't force it on the pit. Right.
Yeah. Right, Yeah.

(48:45):
Or I mean. But it sets a tone.
It sets a tone that you're only going to get so into this.
That's true, I saw. JJ Harvey in September at the
Masonic Cathedral. Yeah.
And I don't even know why, but she has always been like that
one artist from the 90s where I like, loved.
She's great, but I never, like, continue to listen to her.

(49:07):
I was never that deep into her, even in the 90s.
OK, but I'm like, I know she's fucking talented.
And for some reason I'm like, this show is going to be
awesome. Yeah.
So I actually bought like the belt, you know, or the the old
man and The Muppets, you know, they're.
Yeah, yeah. I bought the thing up on the
side. Yeah, I bought like the second
one, like right in the corner, and that was like the best show.

(49:30):
I've. Nice.
I actually called It's my #2 show of last year.
OK. Number one was Pumpkins at the
Eragon in Chicago hometown show.You can't beat it.
Yeah. But that show?
Literally in between every song,every song that she played, not
one person stood up. OK, people didn't.
At the end of the song people clapped OK during the song I
mean you didn't hear a sound. And then in between songs you

(49:53):
would actually hear her shoes, like on the floor.
But it worked. It worked.
Yeah. And people.
And because then, you know, you post videos of people like are
people sitting down, you know, like even when she would like
bring out yeah, yeah, she can get a little harder and that
people are still but. It.
Worked. But it was a show.
It was like in a performance. Yeah, that makes sense.

(50:15):
That makes sense. And I'm like, it just worked.
And then I'm like, it was amazing.
It was almost like you were mesmerized and right.
Like at a certain point you didn't even realize you're just
sitting there with your jaw. Yeah, through whatever.
You posted a a clip of a one song that I didn't know that was
a deep cut and made it onto one of my playlists because I'm
like, holy shit, I don't remember that and it was a 30

(50:36):
year old song or whatever. Holy shit.
As. I said I wasn't even a good fan
in the 90s, but that's what you fucking talented?
Absolutely. I mean, the one thing I will
never I absolutely loved her song 50 Foot Queenie.
OK. And I'm like that.
Was like the big one. Yeah, yeah.
And that well down by the water,right?
Yeah, yeah, that's right. But. 50 foot Queenie and you
know, that's where she's like really jamming and it's like

(50:59):
fast and yeah, so I mean, I'm sitting there and I'm like, not
only that, the Masonic Cathedral, especially in those
boxes, it almost feels like you're cheating or something
because the seats are like cushioned.
Oh, nice. And they swivel.
So I'm sitting here with my phone.
Yeah. I mean, I'm not even.

(51:20):
I don't even have to put it up here.
I'm literally just like this. And I'm just swiveling in my
seat, like following her around.It's like I would forget I was
even fucking recording. Yeah.
Yeah. Amazing.
And. But no, it was.
I've never experienced a show like that.
Yeah. Where the audience behaved that
way. Yeah.
And you know, you usually you just get some asshole, pretty

(51:41):
scared piece of shit, but not with her because apparently the
audience is a little higher class.
Yeah, it's client cell. Yeah.
Funny thing is. So.
So I go and see that show. I mean, of course, beforehand
I'm meeting up with people and talking to people.
And then but I hear music starting.

(52:03):
I'm like, holy shit, this is her.
And it was like 8:00. Oh, jeez.
Holy shit. So I'm hurrying up.
Get in my seat. Everyone else is right in the
box. So I'm watching.
Never say a word to anyone. I never talk.
I don't sing. I don't do any of this.
OK, I'm here to see them. Sure.
I hate the singers. That's a.
Conversation for sure, yeah. I hate the fucking drunk ass
people that want to hold on the conversation with their buddy

(52:25):
they haven't seen since yesterday.
Or they have to go get beers every 3 seconds to walk right
in. Front of that and it's just like
get the. Fuck out.
Like enjoy it, you know, But people will complain about me
because I'm sitting here like this.
Yeah, but so watch it. By the end of the show, I'd look
at the guy sitting next to me and I'm like, And again, I'm

(52:45):
like, so into it. I'm like.
Did I miss 50 foot Queenie? I know I.
Didn't get up from the seas. Like she didn't play it tonight.
Oh no shit. He's like, no, she played it
last night and so and so. OK, I'm like, OK, I'm like, so
you've seen her a few times. He's like, yeah, I'm actually
from Leeds, UK. No shit.
He goes. Tonight was the 57th time I've
seen her. A lot of PJ Harvey.

(53:09):
I go, you must be a huge fan. He's like, actually, not really
what I'm like, really he's like,but every time I come, it's an
absolute performance, OK? And it's like, I've never seen
her before. Amazing.
He goes, so I love seeing her live.
That's where he goes. And actually I flew over from
the UK and I've seen her yesterday in Boston and here and

(53:32):
like he was going to like 11 or 12 different cities just
following around in the US sightseeing and take.
Yeah, yeah, you know, And I'm like, that's awesome.
So me and them are just talking.By the time we were done, people
are like, hey guys, you need to get going now.
And I look around, the entire Masonic Cathedral Theatre is
empty. There's two people and it's like
45 minutes later. That's awesome.

(53:52):
The Pete of Dawn walks on the stage.
Exactly and. But it was funny.
Because now we've stayed in kindof contact ever since, you know,
and like. Is he a Leeds United fan or does
he not watch football? I'm going to have no, no, he's a
total fan, but I have to go backand see who he supports because
I want to say it's not Leeds because he came from somewhere

(54:14):
before that. But I'll look it up.
I'll let you know. I actually have DM back and
forth. I mentioned Jack Bates from the
Pumpkins. He's a Man United.
He's a Man United fan. That's too bad.
He's from Manchester. OK, that makes sense.
It makes sense because of his age would be a United fan over
City. Because they were good, right?
Because they were good. And now everyone hates City.

(54:35):
Yes, fuck you. Right.
So forever five. Yeah.
Well, before you get into that. What what what keeps you going
back to shows? What's some of the best shows
you've ever seen? Just some of that stuff.
Sure. We got no format here.
No, it's great. No.
Totally have a format. You have an agenda, dude.
I mean, that's a lot. That's more than most, I would

(54:56):
say. But I couldn't print out.
So we're looking at blank papers, right?
Yeah, everyone. But hey, we try.
I do notice the extreme penmanship over.
There I was, a teacher. I had to write on the race.
Board Yeah, I was an engineer, so I used to have the drafting
class. Exactly, that's why I type and
print everything my writing left-handed spiritual.
That's the other thing I want toask you about.
You said you lived in Europe, Sowhat was what time frame was

(55:18):
that and what was music like when you were over there?
It was early 20 tens. So it's they get it so much
better over there. They do because like at least if
you're a rock metal fan like I am, Metallica is famous for when
they they will only do stadium shows here for the most part and
you're going to get the the Sandman.
Nothing else matters. But they do arena tours and they

(55:40):
know that the crowd expects deepcuts because it's a more
passionate crowd. They go to more shows.
So they just get much better setlist over there.
Other stuff it's kind of the same.
But I think that's the big difference is the way Europe,
you know, the European countriestreat rock and metal.
It's always been relevant. Like here it it it peaks and
valleys relevant to. Scandinavian countries like.
Their like metal shows and the Germans are fucking Germans too.

(56:03):
They always have the big festivals.
You think that had something to do with the American influence
around there with like, the military?
It's got 100% but no and actually so that's the when we
talk about most memorable show. So I went to it was called
Sonosphere. They don't do it anymore, but in
the early 20 tens they I. Remember the name Sonos?
Right, so the big gimmick was itwas the BIG4 playing together of

(56:26):
thrash. So it was Metallica, Anthrax,
Megadeth and Slayer. And I want, you know, most of
course Metallica headlines like,you know, not kidding anyone we
know. But the biggest of the four,
right? Yeah.
So I went to. They may not have the most
passionate fan. No, but they have the most by
far. Yeah, I've seen some magnificent

(56:47):
Slayer people. They're pretty fucking fast.
Yeah, we and I, I was a big Anthrax fan in junior high high
school. So it's kind of a, it's a win
all the way around. And and Alice In Chains was
opening, but it was like, it's with the the new singer, of
course, but like who's amazinglytalented.
Yes, and everyone is oh, he justsounds like Lane Saley.
But, and you know what, and I'vesaid this from day one, but it

(57:09):
was actually actually like theirmanager or something.
And they're like a lot of it sounds the same, but that's
because like was singing with Jerry Cantrell, someone else is
singing with him and he does. You know what?
That tone and all that should bethe same.
No songs. If you're going to play a Wayne
Staley song, it should sound like that.

(57:30):
I'm sorry, it should. And if you're going to be pissed
off about all that, then you shouldn't have them if all Alice
In Chains anyway. If you pick a guy in discussion,
if you pick a guy that sounds too different, that ruins all.
It does. You can't play those, no.
Yeah, right. But no, they were, they were
opening style was another bonus.That's awesome.
So it was I went with a buddy ofmine who came over to Europe to
visit. I was over there at the time.

(57:51):
And then we knew it was in Prague and then telling us.
So we bought tickets for Cynosphere 2010 Prague.
After like a day or two, we realized it's nowhere near
Prague the the show. So we we like, how are we?
And there's no mass transit to this place.
It's so it turns out it was a retired airfield from like when
the Czech Republic had, I don't know, fucking Air Force, I don't

(58:13):
know, it's an airstrip. And we're like, how the fuck are
we going to get there? So on day 2, we met these two
random chicks from Germany and they had a rental car.
So we we said something like we'll pay for all the beer and
food if you drive us out there like deal.
So. They can't drink much.
They're women, but they're from Germany, right?

(58:37):
Exactly. But we get, we get this rental
car we're driving. It's like, it's like going to
Pine Knob, like, but not taking 75, you know, if you take the
Clarkston Road and yeah, from here.
Yeah. And we're, but we're in and I'm
looking at him like, dude, I like we have a lot of trust in
these people right now. Like we don't know where the
fuck we are. We're in the Czech Republic.
Hey, we get there. You ever seen Hostel?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we get there and it's like

(59:01):
there's no signs, there's no ads.
It's just like a gate and a dudewith a flags and go over there
and then there's a fucking two mile long airstrip and a stage
at the end of it. We're like, OK, I guess we're
walking that way. And that was that was when I
started realizing the value of VIP tickets.
Like not to be a snob, but like the VIP, like there was a whole
separate area with a separate bar in your own bathrooms and it

(59:23):
was just chaos outside the VIP area.
But it it allowed us to like getmore beers and not miss a song.
Whereas otherwise like you're missing 3 songs.
You go doing that. Sure, that.
Happened to me. At Have you ever been to the the
urethra, Franklin? No, Detroit, did you say
urethra? No, it used to be called Shane
Park. Shane Park?
Yeah, we have been, yeah. Dude, I went and saw King

(59:45):
Gizzard there, OK? And it was the same.
I'm like, all right, I'm going to go grab a quick beer. 35
minutes later and I like missed like 4 fucking songs like and
like for me, I'm like, I've onlyheard of them, never seen them.
I want to go to a show. It was actually an acoustic one.
Oh yeah, yeah, for them. And but I'm sitting there like,
what the fuck, you know, I have all the the diehards and they're

(01:00:06):
all pissed off, you know? Oh my God, I'm missing this.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And I go look at their set list
and they play like 12 songs, butit lasted like 3 hours.
Same with Goose. I don't know if yeah, yeah.
Another jam. Band.
Yeah, yeah. I never.
Everyone's like, oh, you got to listen to them.
So I went and saw them in Grand Rapids and they actually, they
were really good. Oh nice, jam bands or jam bands.

(01:00:30):
They are, yeah. Yeah.
You know what you're getting? Yeah.
Kind of I. Don't know if I'm a huge fan of
them. There's some I do like, but I
was like, you know what? These guys are good.
It was like cool, kind of like that mellow.
The one thing I do like is always the crowd at those, you
know? Because people watching is a big
part of shows. There's people watching white
people dancing, and you're not, like, so worried about the music

(01:00:50):
because they go off and play 20 minutes and, like, you're like,
just kind of all right, whatever.
Yeah. Yeah.
But So what are some of you guysother favorite shows you've ever
seen? Yeah, maybe even some of the.
Best songs you've ever seen in alive show?
The best songs that's challenging.
One of the best shows I saw I always come back to is that

(01:01:11):
Lollapalooza tour. George Clinton and Parliament
Funkadelic did a post like that night, I think, did a show and
we went to industry in Pontiac. So what is industry called now?
It. Became tonic.
I think it became tonic, yeah. I don't know if it's probably
not still tonic. Yeah, but they played a post

(01:01:34):
Lollapalooza show and it was Speaking of jam bands, funk, but
jam because their songs, again, they might have played three
songs, but each song was 30 fucking minutes long.
Exactly right. And you're watching masters of
their craft, these dudes that have like 30 at that .3040 years
of experience just taking songs,fucking Bootsy Collins and

(01:01:56):
George Clinton. I mean, and they're right there.
But I just remember like being kind of interested in them.
And then after that, I'm like these guys, they rule.
When you walk out, tons of respect.
I am a big. I'm a bigger fan now than.
When I walked in, yeah. And that happens a lot to me.
But shit, what was the other? I just said that the other day
about a band I remember walking in and you know, because I hate

(01:02:18):
to say it, I go to four or five a month.
That's all. Don't hate to say it, that's
cool. No, no, What I hate to say is
there's sometimes where it's like, fuck, I don't.
You don't hate going, Yeah, sure, you know, But then once
you start going and, you know, you start building up that
whatever. But I don't even know where I
was going with that. No, but that's how we were with
Tiger season. Was it helmet?

(01:02:39):
No, I will say with fucking helmet though, those guys, yeah,
killed it. They're the well, they killed
it, but they're the first ones. Like every video I post on
Instagram, they've been collaborating on.
Oh shit, then the collaborate. Awesome.
So I went from like where I would get like 30 likes with
every single thing they've got. It's over 300.
Every single one's at least 5000to almost 10,000.

(01:03:02):
Views That's awesome. Got to start collaborating with
Helmet. Well, do or or bands of that.
Well, that, well, that's right. That's what I always do.
I'll tag them and then always says invite to collaborate.
So I pick that shit because who knows, I need to.
And lately though, I got Crackerdid it and Helmet did and a few
others. Oh, then you started doing it.

(01:03:22):
Yeah. Oh cool, that's a great idea.
So like when I went and saw Big Head Todd, so the intersection
collaborated. So those were getting like 1200
views where I might get three, 2:50 to 3:00.
So that's right. I've really started and now I go
to these venues and it's like I start knowing all the goddamn
people at work. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
They all work at the same damn venues so.

(01:03:43):
You. Go to do and shows every night
when I stay in the same piece. But yeah, it's fun.
Nice. That's I told him like, you
know, I was like, I was a big Anthrax fan back in the day and
I still follow him. They still put out good music
actually. But I'm like, why don't we just
try to contact Anthra? Like, what is Joey Belladonna
doing? Honestly, it's like, I think
there's a lot of bands that we assumed they wouldn't talk to,
but it's like they're people. They yeah, they're not touring.

(01:04:06):
It's like, fucking yeah, I'll talk about it.
And they like to talk about music.
They're probably at a stage in their career, right, where they
have normal lives, right? They day jobs, maybe even right.
They don't get a chance to talk about music a whole lot, right?
That's actually the one I contact all the time is Michael
Globecki from rusted root. Nice.
They're like one of my favorite.I've seen them a few times.
They're never getting sort of, no, that's funny, but I thought

(01:04:27):
of that. I wrote them down because you
talked about the show you went to where there was like 5
people, no market. Yeah.
And I remember I was following them and they were playing like
out in San Diego or something. And also they sent out a message
and they're like, hey, everyone forgot to promote this show
tonight. No one's here.
Oh no. Come on down, because we're
going to be rocking for like thenext three hours and blah blah

(01:04:48):
blah. And like they ended up playing
like this killer sat nice all ended up kind of converging all
the time, which was cool but crazy and.
Then it's like. I always thought they were
bigger in the 90s, you know, Sure, you know.
But then it's like, were they oris that just my I think, I think
that college. Bubble made it seem that.

(01:05:09):
College you could. Sell a million records Pretty.
I mean a lot of those bands sold.
Birth pipes sold 1,000,000. Records, yeah, off of semi on my
way in. Commercials, yeah, it's like 5
or 6. Seven commercials.
Yes, every fucking my main car commercial.
Yeah, Enterprise. You mentioned bird pipe.
I saved. Line Melon probably sold
1,000,000. You know, like absolutely they

(01:05:30):
did. Small little bands, yeah.
Ohh. Marcy Playground.
Marcy Playground. Ohh.
God, there's a dozens of those speedball and like all those
fucking bands. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. So forever fives what you guys
got. Yeah, so I took it.
So I my understanding is make sure that I understood it right.
Well, I can. It's it's bands whose catalog
you would take to a deserted island, so.

(01:05:51):
You're yeah, you're on that deserted island alright. 5 bands
of ours. OK.
So yeah, I always say entire catalog based on like a Spotify
catalog. OK.
Because it's much broader. So that it can include live sets
and. Absolutely.
Besides and all that. Search that name on Spotify,
anything. In that you're on a deserted
island and you need a. Lot I always told you in mind.
Just bring you physical media. Yeah, so I took it literally

(01:06:14):
because of that. So it's not my five favorite
bands necessary, right? Yeah, Smart, because you got to
mix it up, right? I might be a metal guy.
But. Right, but I get 5 metal bands.
Right, Yeah. You want to different
differentiate your fucking days?Absolutely so.
So for me it was Smashing Pumpkins.
OK, Ben Harper. OK, will go.
Nice. I picked Lou Reed.

(01:06:36):
Interesting. Because search through read on
Spotify, you know how many Velvet Underground songs you're
going to get. Yeah, sure.
So you play the game. Yeah, that's fair.
And then I picked CSNY. Oh wow.
OK, well. For the same reason you pick
them. You know any?
One of the. Any Neil you get all new Young's
catalog as long you're really. Gaming your own system.
As long as it shows up and you just.
Change the world. As as long as it shows up when

(01:06:58):
you search CSNY in Spotify. OK, OK.
I just say oh, I can go pick anyNeil Young.
You got to search CSNY. And it happens to be a nice.
Song they play, you get gotcha. So there's a cell signal on this
deserted island. That's the one.
You got Wi-Fi. You can't get off the damn
thing. But yeah, look at everything you
never. Want it changes everything?

(01:07:22):
No. So I took that into account of
like, OK, I need variety and I need catalog.
Depth, right? I love it.
So, so #1 Metallica, that's obvious.
I'm not going anywhere without that #2 Run the Jewels because I
need some hip hop and it's actually not much and.
They're coming with Wu Tang. We're going.
Are you? Guys going, Yeah, we're going.
I haven't. Got tickets yet?
Yeah, I'm going for sure. But I just haven't got Yeah.

(01:07:43):
No, there. I mean, it's only four albums.
I mean, I got the shirt on now, but to me it's like the peak of
post 2000 hip hop. So I got to have it, yeah.
You know what? No fucking idea about those
guys. Oh, I'll check them out too.
I don't. You'll love it if you liked.
He's 80s hip hop. Yeah, We'll have like a five
song playlist and send it to you.
Yeah, to know where to start. Yeah, great, great.

(01:08:05):
One 80s hip hop, that's where. That's my sweet.
Yeah, you're totally. Right.
Yeah, Public show. Yeah, Public Enemy, all that
shit. You're going to love it, Yeah.
Awesome. So they're #2.
That makes that show even better.
Then Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's why.
That's what Cedric said. He's like, holy shit with Run
the Jewels open and they can't beat this shit.
So The thing is, Run the Jewels,but I wouldn't tell him that.

(01:08:27):
Yeah. That's awesome.
I'm. Looking forward to RTJA lot
more. Googling, yeah.
Yeah, no, but like Wu Tang, likeI love the music, but I I don't
have high hopes for the live show.
It's going to be 30 guys on stage talking over each other.
Yeah, you know, I've seen some live.
Yeah, Tang and it's. Not great, Yeah.
Well, it's not live live, but on.

(01:08:49):
But he was like a huge, huge presence.
Too right? Like RTJ, it's very lean.
It's like it's two guys. They were up there to MC.
There's no bullshit. So they're #2 #3 Tori Amos,
which I've had a lifelong crush on her.
Well, it's her catalog, and I'vetalked about this on our show.
It's a pretty steady decline. Like the first four or five

(01:09:11):
albums. Amazing.
And that's why I wanted the lastfive.
You can keep it like they've been asked, but I can't.
I mean, you know, I still love her.
I forget sometimes. Like I won't listen for a year
or ten. I go back to my God damn, this
is good music. It's just it fell off so much
after. The fun when you do that.
Totally forgot. Rediscovering it holy.
Shit, you guys were amazing. I would listen to it on the way

(01:09:32):
back, pop that in, be a Tory forthat variety and then #4 be
Radiohead. They're common.
Which for me, hopefully they've set up in like a LLC or whatever
it is. Yeah.
So that's the last time they didthat.
They went, they made it. Sounds like a new album, new
tour. Yeah, and I wasn't even, I was
completely ignorant other than knowing that everyone liked them

(01:09:52):
like 2 years ago. Nothing.
But you know, the podcast made me get into it, and it's like,
now I got to have that. I've always been a passive
listener of radio. Right?
Like same here usually everyone's always like gung ho
Radiohead. You know, but they're fucking
good. They are.
No, it's just if they come in concert, I will go in a second
because it's someone I've never seen before.
I saw them last and it's someone, you know, they, they're

(01:10:13):
kind of like that eclectic, you know, Thom Yorke especially,
right? So you never know if they're
going to come again, to be honest, right?
Yeah, a lot of our bands that welike at our age, you never know,
like, but that's exactly, I toldthe Metallica show, it's like
there's no, there's 61. There's no guarantee there's
another tour. Well.
I mean, after the Soundgarden show in Detroit.
But if that doesn't open your eyes, no shit.
Because that was the one where Iwas like, you know, I'll catch

(01:10:35):
him next time. And I hadn't only seen him at
all. The flu's in 92.
OK. Which I vaguely saw.
Yeah, yeah, right, right. Yeah, yeah.
I was a 17 year old. You're physically there, Yeah.
I was physically there. I remember at least hearing a
note. Yeah, sure.
But no, I'm like, I'll catch himnext time.
And he actually literally dies in fucking Detroit and he's like
crazy you. Know last song you played was In
My Time of Dying too. Was it really so?

(01:10:56):
He knew he was doing. That's a Zeppelin song.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so.
But #5 it's a, it's a bad, well,electronic duo called 07.
OK, and they're not in my top five bands, but I'm like I got
to chill the fuck out at some. Point.
Right. So it's.
Like, yeah, I love they're just like kind of mellow, like
chilled out electronic, but really good and they have a

(01:11:19):
great. Catalog.
I've never been an electronic music fan at all.
I'm not. I thought no, yeah, I when I
went to LA Palooza last year, Perry Stage turned into sunny
Stage, which is Zed, his real name Sunny Yeah yeah, yeah.
On the Saturday. So like, I saw him and I like a
couple other like I'm like, all right, I get it now.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't see why people go to a
DJ show. Sure.

(01:11:40):
Just have a great fucking time. Yeah, it's not my thing, but I
get yeah. This is cool.
Though Yeah, this has seen it before.
Yeah, 07 lower beats per minute,right?
It's very chill, chill hot. They turn the lights on just
fucking chill off like it's it'slow key.
But yeah, that's what I use to like when I fly.
I take a lot of long flights andlike that's what I put in the
headphones. And just chill the fucking nice,
so nice. What about you?

(01:12:03):
Forever 5 okay, tanks heard all this before.
We kind of we maybe even have had this have we had this
discussion? I don't think so not of this
kind of these parameters. We're not animals.
The Smiths are #1 for me, so the.

(01:12:24):
Males, I hear. Smiths guy like Smiths and
Morris. Did he go see Morrissey when he
was in Flint? No, I saw him.
I haven't seen him in years. I saw him in Chicago at the he.
Played in Flint like the cap. Never seen.
That's weird. I've never heard of it.
Yeah, like in November. OK.
And I remember I was talking. I was like, yeah, I'm going to
go see Morris and like, oh. Man, that's a crap fucking.
Shoot, isn't it? Yeah, Right.
Great. And then I'm talking to him.

(01:12:45):
I was like, surprising. It ended up turning out pretty
good, you know? Yeah, I named my daughter
Morrissey like that's that's hername.
So the. Only naming responsibility I had
was middle name for my middle daughter and I gave her Jane
because I love sweet Jane by Louise and Jane says by Jane.
Awesome. And.
Not that I'm comparing, but every dog I've ever had we used

(01:13:07):
to name them after songs like MyBrother had a golden retriever
named Chloe from Chloe Dancer. You know, mud, honey, Mother,
Mother love bone. Yeah, you had Luca.
Nice. So I got a golden retriever when
I bought my own house. And I'm not a huge Bob Dylan
fan, but I love the album Desirebecause that's the one that has

(01:13:28):
Hurricane. So I bought it for that.
And of course, but back in the day, I'm like, all right, well,
if I'm putting it in, I'm listening to the whole fucking
thing. Yeah.
Well then I'm like oh man, I love this fucking song.
That I hear. OK.
And it's the Egyptian goddess ofthe earth.
And I'm getting a golden retriever.
It's. Golden female.
Like I'm female dogs. I'll never get a dog.

(01:13:50):
I don't need the fucking red rock at all.
And then you fix them and they know their balls are missing.
Yeah, it's like, what the fuck? Something happened.
I'm not dumb. You took me somewhere and now
it's something. Happened right, So I named her.
Guess what Isis. OK so I don't the first slide.

(01:14:10):
I married ISIS the 5th day of May and it's like a 7 minute
sign just like this whole like poetry.
Yeah, you can't go to the dog park, can you?
Well, not so I forget I got her February of well what about So I
I always remember 911 happened and then I got my house in

(01:14:33):
December. So three months after that I got
hurt in February. So what in 2002 so that name
still wasn't still yet because that hadn't happened with all of
that. So she ends up living 12 years.
Worst thing ever is a any animalowner, but a dog owner to me
specifically, yeah. Is that contract you have with

(01:14:54):
that animal? And at some point I got to set
myself aside and. Put you down?
Sure. Because it's right for you.
So that point in time, it's coming.
Yeah. So my kids are little.
So what do they do? Make a sign because I'm crying
at this point that says we love.ISIS incredible did.

(01:15:16):
You sell them out, put them all over.
Social media, we didn't even putit on the fridge, we hung it on
our bedroom you didn't see it on.
The for the wedding, yeah, you'dbe like, next time you fuck
this, act up. And posted this on social media
and you're gone. We could put this out there.
But you know what? We have knocks at our door, like
immediately. Yeah, yeah.

(01:15:36):
Incredible. OK, so I don't feel so bad now.
Morris, he's kind of a fascist asshole now.
So I don't feel like you can take the cake better than ISIS.
I don't. Even mention her name anymore.
I feel so bad for the dog. The best dog ever, you know?
So that. Yeah.
Alright, so. Morris.
So we got The Smiths. The Smiths, Yeah.
And I have Radiohead as well. Yeah, huge Radiohead fan.

(01:15:58):
I was wondering if you had a crossover?
That was huge Radiohead fan. Yeah, Not so much the side
projects, but yeah, I cannot. I really hope there's more work
coming out. We have a buddy of ours and like
just. It's headphone music.
It's rewarding after multiple listens, right?
You can get deeper and deeper. That's why people are so into
them. That's why, because you can just
get lost in it. That's the key there too, is you

(01:16:21):
can't just give it one. Listen, people, no.
You on a desert? Island, give it a fucking chance
bro. Listen to it at least 3-4 or
five times. And that's why music back in our
day, I think, was different because you.
Put the head. In you had to and like the rule
of my car, if we were going on and I put in the CD, we listen
to the whole fucking thing. All right, Shotgun, you're next.

(01:16:42):
Person behind me you're next. You know, you listen to the
whole fucking thing. You only had so much money.
You can only buy so many CDs, tapes, records, whatever.
That's why. They would come out those like
alternative compilation series so you could.
That's what I call music. It's like a cheat code like.
The sweet relief, the no alternative.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Looks great but it at least

(01:17:03):
exposed you to more. Absolutely.
That's where I no alternative. That's where I found Uncle Tupla
nice and because they had a songcalled Effigy.
Looks like slow but it was like super.
Good. Like I did this and then and.
Then my brother had the subscription to Rolling Stone.
OK. So that's where I would find out
about, oh, this band or that. And then.
But then you found out. Oh, Uncle Toothelo broke up and

(01:17:25):
made. And then.
And then you got the Metro Timesto see what concerts were coming
because they're right. Either you heard it on the radio
and you're lucky, you know, if you're on the right station.
Yeah, there's Metro Times. That was mine.
Absolutely. Yeah, we used to do that all the
time. You.
Pour through the Metro Times. That's crazy.
And also were concerts you wouldnever go to that you wanted to
but you didn't have fucking money.

(01:17:46):
Oh my God, look at this one. Shit, yeah.
OK, so Smiths, Radiohead Fish. I'm a jam band guy.
I'm not a jam band guy and I'm afish sort of exclusively like
and it's got a huge catalog. You've got these long.
You've also got varied as far astempo goes, you've got chill out
stuff and you've got more rock. So do you listen to Oysterhead

(01:18:07):
too? Like.
Only listen to fish. Like I didn't go back and listen
to Grateful Dead. I didn't go forward and listen
to fucking string cheese Incident or whoever.
Like, yeah, that's not strange. Yeah, it's string cheese, isn't
it? Yeah, and then you have MO.
And MO and right. Yeah, all that stuff.
Never. It's just been a this lame.
See, I was never a huge jam bandguy, but I have always liked

(01:18:29):
fish. Yeah.
And I've seen him one time. Yeah, I have two.
Just went by myself since I was traveling for work down there at
the time, and it was awesome. Yeah, but I am going to Bourbon
and beyond. They're one of the headlines.
And. I think the Friday night I think
it is. So I'm going to definitely and
like no matter what you got to. Go and see fish again because
they won't be around forever. You got to go do that shit.

(01:18:51):
And I think tray is clean and everything.
So those are like fucking awesome again.
Yeah, absolutely. So the other one I had, I had
RTJ since you put it on. I did AI had did a slash because
I'm like I wanted some hip hop on the deserted island, but I'm
going to do something super mellow and go with Elliot Smith.
So I'm, I just bought I'm I'm a vinyl guy.

(01:19:13):
I've started becoming a vinyl guy.
So I'm starting to collect stuffthat I had C DS of or I had
tapes of. And I've now got Elliot Smith's
entire catalog just because it brings everything way down.
Beautiful song. Singer-songwriter song.
I hate that you guys ages. I never even.
Asked that 4849 OK 50. And what?
I'll be 48 this year, 47. Or so we're all right in.

(01:19:35):
There, yeah, right around the same.
So yeah, that would bring everything down and help me
sleep at night. I think it be something nice,
yeah. I love that you actually took
that shit. Yeah, absolutely.
What the? Fuck yeah, got.
To turn it down at some point. And then Speaking of my last

(01:19:58):
choice, this was very difficult because I was going to pick
something jazz because I'm superinto jazz.
I picked Bill Evans and Bill Evans, piano, piano player.
He's got a huge, if you're including live, you've got
right, all these jazz junkies, they have like literally like
hundreds of shows that have beenrecorded which are just as good
as the albums because all the albums were recorded live too.
It was all 1 take. They got that shit on.

(01:20:18):
Record, it's improv, improvisational, it goes in all
these different directions. Plus you have all the the great
song book, you have all the standards that all these jazz
guys did right. Like a fucking autumn in New
York and whatever. Like they can't take that away
from me and. All that even like in rock, like
in the early 60s, and that someone would release a song and

(01:20:39):
then like 3 or 4 people would release that same song as a
cover. Yeah.
And you would have like different verses of the same
song. It's a fucking top tension.
It'd be like 63. Any song in the 60s, you find
out Neil Diamond wrote it. It's like there's always this
trail of like, oh, I guess it wasn't there.
Yeah. Yeah.
So that's it. So The Smiths Radiohead fish.

(01:21:02):
You. Guys got The Smiths.
Because you took the time to actually figure out if I'm going
to be here forever. I'm not crazy that there's no
women or non white people on thelist, but I went with my gut and
I didn't check it as long as themusic was variation.
The women thing, I'm like, yeah,it's a miss because you don't

(01:21:24):
have that perspective. And if I'm by myself, I'm
probably thinking about women a decent amount, right?
And to not have that perspective, that's so Tori
Amos. That's why I like Tori.
I don't have. Yeah, yes.
Well for the semi island I can. Someone der toys.
Someone told me like you know what?
It should only be 3 because five's too easy and like, what
do you fucking talk? If you're into music, this is 5

(01:21:45):
is. Hard right?
Yeah, should be. Well, that was The thing is one
of our guests from last season, he came with his Forever 5 and
then what he called his second lineup.
Yeah. So basically it's just 10.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. That's a good idea because like
for me, I mean, I know the two, you know, the the first ones out
were easily the Doors and Beastie Boys.

(01:22:06):
Okay. You know, like cuz when you look
at mine like I don't have anything that's even
transcending close to like rap, sure.
You know, And then I'm like, fuck, I used, I mean, I loved
like the 80s, early 90s rap. I could pretty much do without
the shit most days nowadays. Yeah, yeah.
So I didn't see. Tyler, the Creator a few years
back and he was great. Nice.

(01:22:28):
I'm going to go see him again inJuly and we'll see, but that's
like the one genre I haven't seen in a ton live.
I did see Digable Planets. Yeah, it's cool, but it's my God
they were awesome. It's a genre that doesn't really
translate well live, though, isn't that?
All the time? No, not all the time.
Some some types of music just don't.
Tyler, The Creator did, and partof it I think was because he was

(01:22:50):
literally the only dude on stage.
Exactly that helps so. They had like the music coming
from the background and all. That, but he does a whole, oh,
there's a whole thing. Yeah, yeah.
Stage. One he would get on the
hydraulic boat to take him on the stage 2 right, but I
actually got for a good price the tickets right on the boards
of the hockey arena right where the second stage is oh nice so

(01:23:11):
I'm like you know what you can still see good in the main but
once they're there that's the. That'll be awesome.
Nice. Because we saw you remember
Jane's addiction and at the palace.
Palace. So we were main floor, but then
they went for like 4 or five songs to this little stage right
in the middle of the main floor.So it was like for me to tank
watching Jane's or Jane says andlike three or four other songs.

(01:23:33):
That's awesome. That's cool.
And like, those are the types ofshows where it could be the
worst fucking thing ever, but these last three or four songs
just made it. Yeah, yeah.
Isn't that amazing? Yeah, they only need one really.
Do you guys got? Any shows coming up that you're
going to? Any tickets this year yet?
We do what you got going. What?
So we got Bob Mold is soon El Club.

(01:23:55):
At El Club, Yeah, yes, that actually.
I keep having my eye on that. And he's also playing Bell's
Brewery. Oh, no shit.
I didn't know that garden. Yeah, yeah.
I saw him do a similar in Chicago at a tiny place like El
Club where he just come out withhis autobiography, his memoir.
And so he play a song, talk about the time in his life that

(01:24:17):
that song came out, and then play the next song.
And he did that me and 300 people and this guy's a fucking
living legend, right? Like it was incredible, so.
Yeah. I mean, yes.
I mean, he was around before we were ever really.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. So we're going to see them at
the end of this month. Yep.
And then Wu Tang. Wu Tang RTJ.

(01:24:38):
I have to imagine Isabel is going to be touring.
Jason. Jason.
I wrote it down. He is.
He is a. Huge.
Fan, you know what? He's one.
I've never really listened too much, but he's like, you know
what? I I have no idea.
I equate him with Noah Kahan, where it's that person where
everyone loves them and I don't know shit about.
Yeah. And that's where I draw the
tower. That's it.

(01:24:59):
You know, like they could be totally different.
I have no idea. Singer-songwriter.
Yeah. Country tinged, right?
That's that's fair. Yeah, I like to sing.
I do like a singer. Song he's he's he's if anyone's
a modern day good, if anyone's amodern day Dylan, it's him.
Yeah, yeah. If you're Dylan, you you'll love
it. Start with there's an album
Southeastern. It's like 10 years old, OK, just
give that a listen. If you don't like that, you
won't like. It what if I were to mention the

(01:25:21):
name Neil Young? Is that any sort of like that
type or I mean? I don't know.
I mean from a progressive socialmindset, yes, but he's more
traditional. A little slower.
But he's just, the lyrics are just so fucking good.
And not, not in an overbearing artsy kind of way.

(01:25:43):
It's just salt of the earth. But good guitar player, great
lyrics, amazing lyrics. I saw Billy Bragg at the
Majestic, which I love Billy Bragg, yeah, but in between
songs he would get pretty. Well, yeah, that's his whole
thing. That's his whole thing.
You don't want to hear that? Then don't.
Call You shouldn't go to Billy Bragg, right?
Exactly. You know what you're getting
into. That's very true.

(01:26:04):
And for me, like, I don't bring any of that shit in the music
because it doesn't belong there.Sure, if the artist chooses to
bring it, that's fine, But that doesn't mean I have to engage in
that part of it. You know what?
I need to engage in that. Your music's fucking amazing.
Yeah. I don't care about your views.
Yeah, I don't care about mine. All that shit should be checked
at the door. Especially these days, right?
Yeah. And but if you choose to talk

(01:26:25):
about it. You know what?
I don't give a shit. I'm still going to go enjoy the
show. That's a good attitude, you
know, and. Hate that guy because of it One.
100% and it's like what you're finding out too is a lot of
times you're a lot more alike and your views and shit then you
aren't. Right, you have one huge thing
in common, which is the fucking music.

(01:26:46):
Right. And that's all and.
That Trump's no pun intended. That Trump's tons of shit.
Right and no. Matter what, that should check
that shit at the door. So at least for these next few
hours, everyone's here for the same reason.
That's the right attitude, yeah.And.
That's the way I've always looked.
At Yeah, no, that's what my favorite part of these Metallica
Stadium shows. James does a bit.
He's like, because I'm pretty sure that band James, I'm pretty

(01:27:08):
sure is right wing. Kirk is left wing liars.
Who fucking knows? But like, but they come out and
he's like, look, well, it, it sounds corny, but it's like,
we're the Metallica family in here.
Like in here, none of that shit matters.
He makes a point to say it. Sounds, yeah, corny.

(01:27:29):
But it's true. It's like, I don't think it's
corny. For the next two hours, for the
next two hours, people who wouldnormally never talk to each
other you're. That's dropping it, right?
It's like you're. Next to a guy you might hate in
an online phone, right? Yeah, but.
You're rocking the fuck out to creepy death and that's all
that. Happens, and that might even
might. Be the fucking high 5.
Guy, which I'm not a huge fan ofeither, right?
It's being the high five. I'm not gonna leave him hanging.

(01:27:53):
Yeah, I'm not. Going to leave your anger no
matter what. Yeah, absolutely.
I'm always been the same way. Like check everything in life at
the door when you go to a show because it is such an experience
you experience with others. And especially now because I go
alone like 5% of and which I like because I like to enjoy a

(01:28:15):
show a certain way. Sure.
And if I'm going to go with people like it's Neil, he knows
how I enjoy it and he enjoys it pretty much a similar way.
But we aren't, we aren't going to talk for two hours.
Except it might be in between songs like Oh my God, that was
fucking amazing starting and nowwe're focused.
Again, mine is out. This fucking man so fucking

(01:28:35):
good. But it is, it's a release.
The whole point of a show. It's a release, absolutely.
So you do have to release everything, right?
Inhibitions. Whatever you brought to the
door, Bowels, bottles. Potentially strongly encouraged.
Yes. Check your bottles at the door.

(01:28:56):
Yes, especially at a very custom.
Yes, you're right. Bumper sticker.
Check your fucking bowels. I will say the Low Palooza, like
the festival with that bathrooms, food, everything you
would need to live. Yeah, was top.
Oh, nice. They actually did it very well.
I was in fact, I was so impressed.
I'm like, I'm going next year, OK, Until I saw Bourbon and
Beyond and that yeah, OK, line up Nice.

(01:29:18):
And then the fact that it's in mid-september, you know, a
little. Not the heat of July or
whatever. So that is because their
headline it's fish, Noah Kahan, Sturgill Simpson, Oh.
He loves Sturgill Simpson. Lumineers and Jack White.
That's a great and. Then it also has like, cagey
elephant, there's Old 97 Blues, Traveller, Macy's, Macy's,

(01:29:43):
Marcy's Playground Playground. And like all these older, like
kind of like second tier, I'll say ground.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And foreigners there.
I'm like holy shit. And it's like.
By the time you actually figure out who you want to see and
like, you can't even fucking. See them all.
Well then I saw like the low Blues, the lineup come out just
like a couple. Weeks.
Yeah, I haven't even looked at it yet.

(01:30:04):
This is fucking. Raw is it pop?
It's heavy like it has been. I didn't know what it is, I
didn't it. Wasn't it was the headliners on
the left side of the page? I'm like, no, thank you.
It's gonna be like Tyler, probably.
Tyler was because he was supposed to be last year and
couldn't so he is this year. He was like.
Fucking Billy Eilish or. It's not.

(01:30:24):
It's not even Sabrina Carpenter.No, it's Olivia Rodrigo.
Rodrigo Yeah. So there you go.
OK. And I would.
See her fucking Chili Peppers. No.
No, not even somebody like. That dude, it's not even that.
Actually like the one band band,like I would be like, OK, I
would go see them, but I don't like them.
It's corn. Why would the biggest band is
corn OK? Like as far as?
Let's see corn. Yeah, no, absolutely.

(01:30:45):
I would see. But that was never kind of like
my genre I liked. But you know what?
Like when I went last year I thought the same thing.
But then. But I saw the Killers, I saw
Hozier, I saw 2182. Yeah.
Pierce The Veil, Hippocampus. OK, two days.
So there was like these other bands when he actually dug a
little deeper, which. A lot of them I didn't even know
about. Until I was going to go.

(01:31:06):
That's great because I was like,man, I don't know about this
line up, but then once I actually went and then you
figure out how many you can actually see in a day.
Yeah. And like actually it worked out
awesome and I was a great experience.
So we have a if you're interested in digging and for
the audience, if you're interested in digging in our
back catalog, we did. We do have did a couple episodes

(01:31:26):
where we take the poster for Lollapalooza or for what's the
other of Coachella? Coachella, Yeah.
And So what I saw this on a blogone day where it was like, you
get points if you can, if you know the band and it's and it's
increasing amount of points as you go further down the list and
the funds get super small. So you basically get negative
points if you know who Olivia Rodrigo is, right.

(01:31:47):
But you get 10 if you know who fucking astronaut is.
Yes. We.
Did it live? We did.
Like we walked through it and wescored ourselves.
Yeah, it's pretty fun. Yeah.
Yeah, and that was the fun. Like, because I guess that Blues
Travelers, Spin Doctors and Gin Blossoms are all verb so.
But they're touring as a. Threesome.
So I just saw that I wrote down one of the shows I wanted to go
to. I was the title tank.
It's Blues Traveler. Yeah, that's I would definitely

(01:32:10):
know that, especially at Meadowbrook.
Yeah, cuz, have you? Ever been to?
Meadowbrook. So Meadowbrook is like literally
just half the size of Pine Knot,Yeah.
Yeah, think about once. Yeah, even like the lawn is like
I would equate the lawn to beingalmost.
Like in the pavilion in parts. Yeah, they'll get 2.
Thirds back of the pavilion. Nice.
OK, there's the size of it. Yeah, we'll go to that.

(01:32:31):
Rayla Maintain is playing tank. Yeah, I saw Rayla.
I was doing. A trouble 20th anniversary, so
he's going to play. The whole I've never seen him
but he's been one of the ones I'd love to see him.
Especially like if it's in the theater type setting.
Yeah, Ben Folds is playing with the DSO.
Oh. Yeah.
OK, I saw that. Oh, you did?
No, no, I didn't see him. I saw that the show was coming,
yeah. And the one thing that I've been

(01:32:52):
seeing literally is, you know, because obviously the last two
years I try to keep up with moreand more is even with like the
older stuff that people love that I didn't, which is Ben
Folds is 1 of people fucking love.
Yes. Oh, yeah, yes.
Have you seen him live? You've never seen him.
Yeah. You love the first.
The first two albums, yeah, they're great.
People love him and what I've heard is like seeing him live is

(01:33:14):
like just. He's super charismatic.
I read his memoir, it's super good.
I highly recommend that. OK, just as a music memoir I
read, it's really good. I have a couple.
I got Mark Lanigan's. Oh, no, I want to read that.
Yeah, he's got a couple, I think.
Yes, yeah. I'm not sure which one it is.
And then actually I got one that's the drummer from
Screaming Trees. Oh no shit.
It's like the biggest band that never.
Was Oh, cool, because they were.Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:33:37):
Yeah, they were so fucking good,but they never reached that.
And then he had Lanigan. And then he ended up having like
his hands and everything like screaming trees, Queens of the
Stone Age and Little Bit of Man.Season he did an album with Greg
Dooley from the Afghan. Yeah.
He was. He was actually amazing.

(01:33:58):
Absolutely. I would put him arguably almost
as the top singer coming out of the grunge movement.
Yeah, I mean, he added. People always say Lane Staley
this and that but. What he added to Queens of the
that Queens of the Stone Age record is nothing without him.
Yeah, honestly, no 100%. Three track, 3 or 4 tracks that
he's on and he kills it. Yeah, absolutely.
And that, you know what, the onething I thought of the other

(01:34:18):
day, people always talk about like the videos from like,
Nirvana's Unplugged or Some Chains Unplugged or All Night
and all these different things. But the one video from the 90s
Mad season from the More theateror whatever.
Yeah. Yeah.
To me, there's probably no important more video from that

(01:34:40):
time. No shit.
Only because you have no historyof that band other than that.
Right. And that's Lane Staley, Mike
Mccreaty. I want to say it's someone from
Screaming Trees, someone from like you.
Yeah, Ted or some shit. Yeah.
One of those bands. Yeah.
And actually, I never realized, but that band, part of the goal

(01:35:01):
was to get all of them fucking sober.
Oh no shit, I never. Realized that McCready had
himself quite. A little to have it.
Oh, that's cool. And so then Lanigan came on for
some of the songs and loaded If that was a good or a bad thing,
sure. But I'm like, you know what?
That was one of the coolest albums and, like, collaborations
ever. And like, that's the literally

(01:35:22):
almost only video of that that'sout there.
You have Lane Staley playing guitar.
Yeah, I mean a River of Deceit, Long Gone Day, you know, all
these songs. That's a good record.
Yeah, I like them. Nirvana, you have so many
videos. Yeah, Alice In Chains, you have
so many videos. So it's like, to me, that's
always been that one concert video that has kind of he even

(01:35:43):
stood over. The top of all those, I'm huge
into Jeff Buckley and he again, with someone who died young, you
only have so many videos of him,right?
It just makes it that much more.And especially because I mean,
if they were dying in that in the 90s, you don't have.
Shit, you don't have shit right like.
Nowadays it's like dying fuckingyour phone, right?
Or if you were huge and you wereplaying everywhere and there's
always good, yeah, right there, right?

(01:36:04):
Absolutely. So unfortunately, I'd say we're
probably about the end of this thing, guys.
This has been super fun, yeah. Absolutely.
I couldn't thank you guys enough.
Thank you for having us on for sure.
I do love your guys effing podcast by the way.
Thanks and. It's extended play extended
playpod.com on all the socials. We put a video show out every

(01:36:28):
week. It's also There you go, it was
the Ultra, but you didn't forgetthis time it's also audio you.
Know it's not the song I wanted,but fuck it, it's going to play.
For us, it works for us, Yeah. We really appreciate it.
Yeah. Absolutely.
You know, I love. I think we are very similar.
Yeah. The one thing we want to do, we
want to grow organically. I'm not going to.
My job isn't just to fucking getfouled.

(01:36:49):
My job's just to have fun. First and foremost, talk about
music that you may or may not know about.
Yeah, I talk about, you know, like the videos that I post.
Yeah, my job is to expose you tomusic, not bring you to the
show. Yep.
Yeah, sure. So hopefully.
When you see one of these videos, you're like, holy shit,
I'm going to go see this band the next time.
Yeah, Yeah. And I felt from day one, you

(01:37:10):
guys have the same kind of look and feel that we do with our.
I think so. Yeah, we love music, we love
talking about music, we love exposing people to music.
We understand the way that connects people for sure, and
I'm so happy you guys. Yeah, it's been incredible.
We'll probably see one of those.Here in the banking, absolutely,
absolutely no. I would love to understand what

(01:37:31):
you guys are going to because I like just filling in some here
and there and going to shows andjust check the new stuff out
I've. Never seen before.
For sure. I mean, that's what music's all
about. So yeah, one, thank you everyone
for checking us out. Make sure you check us on
YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn threads.
But that shit sucks. But but this was season 3

(01:37:53):
episode 7. Check us out.
Peace. Alright.
Thanks everybody. Hey everywhere else.

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