December 1, 2023 • 58 mins
Aidan Thimm joins The FEEL FREE Podcast to chat about his newfound sobriety from alcohol and how he plans to skyrocket his potential in all areas of wellness. Personal accountability, fitness routines, ancestral eating habits and the struggles of maintaining an active lifestyle amidst a hectic schedule in the 21st century are just few of the topics covered.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Feel Free Podcast, the only podcast
that'll tell you to chase yourdreams and call you out on all
your bullshit, myself included.
I got my buddy, aiden Thim,here to talk about his wellness
journey.
He's also best friends withBrandon K Chuck, who was just on
(00:20):
the podcast last week, so I'mbringing all the awesome homies
together to talk about yourwellness journey.
So you are a month sober now.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So you said yes, month on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And what are you sober from?
Was it just the booze, really?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Alcohol yes.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Okay, so you didn't really have the wasn't like weed
or anything other than that,really.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know.
So currently I am still smokingweed at night.
That is something I would liketo stop doing in the future, but
I know myself and it'ssomething I know I have to be
ready for.
Like quitting drinking issomething I've wanted to do for
a long time, but I wasn't readyto do it until it finally
(01:06):
clicked.
I'm like this enough is enough.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I actually did the same thing during my sobriety,
so I continued to smoke just toget rid of the other habits,
which would be like the alcoholand cocaine, because once you
try and take down too many badhabits at one time, it's just
not going to work.
You're going to lose your mind.
So I know how that is, and doesit help you sleep at night?
(01:30):
Is that how you?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
is that what you're doing?
Yeah, that's a big thing.
I only smoke in the evenings.
I don't smoke a large quantity,but it is very much of it's the
end of the day.
I kind of want to wind down alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It's therapeutic, yeah for sure.
Now, what was your inspirationto getting off the booze?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Honestly, brandon was a huge inspiration to me.
I have been drinking fairlyheavily for about 10 years or so
, ever since I started at GrandValley as a freshman and got
involved with the alcohol andpartying culture and drinking is
just very normal.
In my family there's a lot ofpeople that drink a lot like
(02:14):
functioning alcoholic level, andso it was always something that
was very normalized to me and Inever thought I would give it
up.
I thought maybe I could pull itback and not drink so heavily,
and I had several attempts atthat with varying levels of
success, where I would pull back, not drink a lot for a while,
(02:35):
but then I'd go on a bender andgo crazy and you're right back
into it again and I'm just likeoh my gosh, this happened again
Lacking out, doing stupid stuff,feeling horrible and
unmotivated to do my wellnessactivities.
And so really, watching Brandonover the last 11 months with him
getting coached, and theprogress that he's made in his
(02:59):
life in all areas his fitness,his job, his finances I just
started to see like, wow, thisis a realistic goal for me.
I mean, he's having a greattime sober, so if he can do it,
then I can do it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's crazy.
I mean, he is an inspirationalmotherfucker though he is, he is
.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I mean, he was the biggest inspiration, but also,
like he introduced me to you andMoncy and I know you guys have
quite a bit of sobriety underyour belt and just introducing
me to more sober people that areliving their truths without
alcohol.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Right yeah, I think Moncy just hit his five year
recently yeah.
I'm at four and a half rightnow.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Right on.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Congratulations, thank you.
I was actually at a sobermeetup last night it wasn't NA
or AA, but it's a group onFacebook called Sober Souls and
we just went and played justboard games last night and hung
out and I actually handed out acopy of my book to everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh, right on.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, so that was actually a really cool
experience.
Brandon's always been like ahuge inspiration to me, whether
he knows it or not, and I thinkthat's the same for a lot of
people you know to finally seehim living his truth, Like you
say, it's uh, yeah, I'm reallyproud of him and I know he's
going to do great things.
So, absolutely Honestly, man,like the booze, I don't miss it.
(04:28):
I don't, I really don't.
After, like you said, you'veseen the progress in Brandon and
where my life is right now, Iactually had somebody ask me
that on an episode.
They're like so you'll neverdrink again.
And I'm like I I don't see apoint.
Yeah, I don't see a point in it.
You know, physically,emotionally, mentally,
financially, like it's just noteven comparable, Like who I am
(04:51):
now and who I was before.
You know and I could see thatwith you as well, Cause you're
very similar to my brother.
He, a couple of years ago, hegave up drinking too.
He's on the uh, the liver andorgan grind.
He's trained for the Olympics.
He's uh trying to get his miletime down to like four minutes.
Wow, I think he's at fourminutes and five seconds right
(05:12):
now.
That's impressive, yeah, so he.
He gave up all of his badhabits and he turned it around
to kind of do the fitness thingthat you're doing right now,
Very um, not really carnivore,but very holistic though.
So did you always have thisknowledge or has this been
something that's been happeningrecently, like with your eating
(05:32):
and you're working out and stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So, um, growing up, uh, both of my parents were
always into health and wellness.
Um, especially my mother.
I get a lot of my passion forhealth and wellness from her.
She's always working out,always cooking the best meals.
Uh, using organic food.
Uh, we just grew up avoidingprocessed food for the most part
(05:56):
.
So, I kind of had that firsthandexperience of eating well
throughout my life, Even as akid.
I hated it because I wanted thefun cereals.
I wanted to eat the lucky charmand the, the gushers and what
have you and my parents wouldnever buy that stuff.
But looking back on it.
I'm like wow, I, I actually uh,what's, what's saved?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
from that for sure.
I mean, that's huge nowadays,though.
I mean, my parents did give methat shit though, so um.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean, I got it at friends houses and we can find
it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You know um but to have it on like tap, like always
in the house.
You know you're going to eat itthen.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, it becomes an ingrained is who you are and
what you do is you don't reallythink about it, right?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's the same thing with soda too.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now that I don't drink.
I don't really drink, I don'tdrink pop anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Nor do I.
I'm a big seltzer water guy.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
McCroys or bubblies.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
All right, yeah, I just recently got into that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I realized, um, after giving up drinking, I love
drinking, it just doesn't needto be alcohol, right?
Um, I'm really big into thenon-alcoholic beers as of late.
Um, like watching a footballgame, I'll get a six pack of
Heineken NAs and drink those,right.
And um, what you were sayingbefore about how you don't miss
(07:17):
the booze, there, I don't missthe way alcohol makes me feel
because after a while I justwasn't doing the same thing for
me.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I didn't feel worse, like clouded, like I, my
cognition was just not workingthe way that it should.
But there are some things thatI will miss about drinking
culture.
Um, I was a big cocktail guy,love making cocktails, uh,
trying new cocktails, being inthat like high end bar setting,
right.
But yeah, now with thenon-alcoholic beer I'm like I
(07:48):
still get to indulge in abeverage and have that community
surrounding it without thenegative effects of alcohol on
my mind and yeah, the hangover.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I love that.
Yeah, my brother's big on theuh, the non-alcoholic beers, but
it's also like the bubbly part.
You know, that's what got meinto the um I'm really big into
was it liquid death?
I haven't tried that yet,Really.
Yeah, Definitely.
I'd say, snag one on your tripto Colorado.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Okay, yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, if you like LaCroix and Bubbly, um, you
definitely like that.
They have flavors, but I alwaysjust go for the normal
carbonated water.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
As long as it's carbonated I'm I'm usually fine
with that.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely good, but otherwise I
I mostly just drink, uh, coffeeand water.
So what happened with just upand leaving and everything?
So when I look at you, I seesomebody who's lived in Colorado
his whole life, though.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So uh, I get that a lot.
I either get the Colorado orthe California vibe.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Right, some people you think it's the hair.
I think it's partially the hair, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
With the flow like this, people expect me to be a
surfer.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I mean yeah, or a snowboarder, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Which I love all boards, boards, um, surfing.
I probably have the leastexperience, just cause I haven't
lived by an ocean, but do enjoyit.
Um, but yeah, ever since I wasa kid I've been on skis or
snowboard and I've always wantedto live and work at a ski
resort and last year presentedthe opportunity.
(09:19):
Um, I didn't have an apartment,didn't have a relationship, I
just didn't have a lot ofpossessions, so not a lot of
things tie me down, so got ridof a lot of my stuff, packed my
remaining stuff into my car anddrove out to the Rocky Mountains
and it was, hands down, thebest winner of my life.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
This bad ass though.
I mean a lot of people have theability to do something like
that.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, everyone keeps telling me, like, do it while
you're young do it while youdon't have attachments and I'm
like, yeah, I suppose that'strue.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So you're going to go back every winter to Colorado
now.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You know, my only plan is that I don't have a plan
.
There you go as far as um shortterm goes.
I do have a long term visionthat I'm working towards,
especially after getting sober,and I can see that coming to
life and not being hampered bymy bad habits Right and
ultimately, the next year for meis just going to be about
(10:16):
developing those good habits.
The quote I heard recently thathas really resonated with me is
it's not how, it's who, it'snot how are you going to
manifest your vision?
Are you the person that can doit?
Okay, and so right now I'mworking on crafting the man that
can do that Nice.
I think Colorado is a greatspot for me to be doing that.
(10:38):
It's a really cheap place tolive.
Where I'm at, I have access toa really nice gym and a really
nice spa.
I have the same hours every day, so I can get into a routine of
going to the gym every day,working every day, just
developing those good habits,and then snowboarding and then
snowboarding.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Fuck yeah, that's nice.
So what got you on the?
Uh, the organ diet, though Wereyou always on that.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, actually.
So I'm a big follower of liverking.
Okay, he's one of the people Ilove to follow on Instagram.
Um, not taking his word asgospel or by any means, but I
really do love the message thathe preaches of kind of going
back to ancestral living anddoing as our ancestors did.
And, um, as far as the organmeat goes, it's extremely
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nutrient, dense.
It's just it's not usually inhigh demand because not a lot of
people like to eat it.
It has a very off-puttingflavor.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Sure and texture yes, yeah, that was uh.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
When I first tried it last year, that was a huge
obstacle for me.
I've since found ways to eat itin a um how should I say this?
Um less disgusting way,manageable.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Like I'll blend it into a smoothie with some fruit
and some other things, so youstill get a little liver flavor,
but you're not trying to likework through this chewy blob
that you otherwise would have todo, right, right.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
For for how much?
Uh, like the nutrient densityof it, like there's nothing that
compares to it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And that that's a big thing that he talks about.
Um, especially with the vitaminA or retinol.
It is the?
Um most dense source of retinolthat you can find on the planet
and you can't get that from asupplement, because the key of
it coming from an animal sourceis the bioavailability.
Like the ability of your bodyto actually integrate and break
(12:35):
it down.
Yeah, and like retinol.
That's huge for your skin.
That's.
It's like collagen a little bit.
Okay helps prevent wrinkles andKeeps the that natural, young,
glow right present.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I have collagen peptides I put in my workout
smoothies too.
I can't say I'm on that livergrind, though my brother eats a
piece of liver every day, thoughI think, oh, right on, I think
he's been doing that, and also apiece of testicle For the got.
It's got to be a year at least,you know yeah, finally got into
the testicle recently.
Yeah he raves about it, for how?
(13:10):
It how it's helped him with hisrecovery in terms of, like, all
of his workouts and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, he's like, like I said, he's training For
the Olympics and like all of hisrunning and stuff like that,
and he's noticed a significantdifference in his ability to
perform, while eating the liverin the testicle, you know and
and the ancient knowledge goesback to Like fixes, like so if
you want to, you want to fixyour heart eat heart right.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
If you want to improve your virility, eat
testicle right.
Like that sort of ancientwisdom, I think, definitely has
a basis in fact, and people havebeen doing it for thousands of
years.
We've just gotten away from ita little bit in the past century
.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
We've gotten away from a lot of Things in the last
century, and fortunately youknow.
I mean we could have an entireconversation about more than
just health, you know, political, financial and all that other
crap.
But uh, yeah, I think it's anabsolute disservice what the the
government and the medicalindustry have done to the people
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over here in America.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yes, it is a shame and, and over the last couple
years I've really started torealize, I mean, wake up a
little bit, like, like they say,like getting red pilled, like
you take the red pill from thematrix right you wake up to the
reality of everything, and themore time goes by, the more it
seems quite obvious to me thatit is its position like that,
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for a reason.
Like the medical industry withbig pharma, they want to keep
you sick so they can continueselling you drugs it's like
right and Like the governmentwith their dietary guidelines.
They want to make you fat.
They want to make you weak,because fat and weak people are
compliant right and they canpush their agenda on you more
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easily right and that, reallythat goes against my, my
libertarian morals and values.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I was gonna say.
I was gonna say libertarian oranarcho capitalist, both, just
like Brandon Brandon.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Both of those ideologies, and I mean just
after the light reading I'vedone on Austrian economics and
free markets, I really do have astrong belief in it, whether or
not it's realistic to implementin this country with everything
we have going on the values,though, of libertarianism and
Anarcho capitalism.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Though it's, it's not if it's gonna be applied to
every facet of life, but thewhole the freedom thing is
really big.
I wouldn't consider myself afull-blown libertarian like like
you and Brandon, or an anarchocapitalist like my buddy, chris
is also here.
I like to take little bits andpieces from everything, but
Definitely in terms of likeauthenticity and like fending
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for yourself.
You know, being a human eatingthese things like organs and
stuff actually taking care ofour humanity.
You know those, those valuesare part of libertarianism, in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Absolutely.
I think personal accountabilityis a huge one.
Oh yeah, that I think I lackeda lot of In the early part of my
adulthood for sure, yeah, samehere and have just really come
into that the past couple yearsand Now taking this next step of
getting sober, I'm like Ireally want to take care of
myself to the fullest of myability.
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I know I have the potential tomanifest like some pretty crazy
dreams that I've had but haveshoved off to the side because I
was.
I was ready to settle for amediocre life.
I was ready to.
You know I I could drink alittle bit, I could have fun
Just wanted to make enough moneyto be comfortable.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Pay my bills?
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But, um, something Brandon said on one of your
guys's last podcast is somethinglike my biggest fear was living
a mediocre life.
Yeah, and that really.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Are like I think it was like his quote was like
something about hell, or likehell, hell is Dying and then
seeing what your life could havebeen, or something.
Yeah, I was like, well, that'ssome fucked up shit.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And I just I saw two paths ahead of me, especially
like as I'm approaching 30 inthe next couple years.
I have decent amount of friendsin their 30s and some are very
high achieving and some are not,and I was kind of looking down
the paths of where I was goingto go if I continued down the
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path I was on and it reallyscared me.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I.
I don't want to look back in 50years and be like, wow, I could
have done all this stuff.
I want to look back and be like, wow, I made the decisions and
I did that stuff right that thatself-awareness is huge.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That's all I.
It's crazy when you get thatself-awareness because of the
sobriety too.
Like you've had moments likethat, that self-awareness, but
like you're saying you weresettling for a mediocre life.
I was doing the same shitbefore I was getting sober.
I'd have these spurts of likewhat I see, my potential, my
life, and then I'd be like but Ican, I can just go and do this
instead.
Yeah, and it's taking that stepto finally the clarity you get
(18:20):
without alcohol.
Like I don't push, like doingdrugs on anybody.
You know I'd be a hypocrite ifI told people to not try them.
You know, because I did right.
Oh yeah, once you've had thoseexperiences treating your life
optimally in a health aspect,I'd say I'd say alcohol is one
(18:41):
of the worst fucking things foryou.
Absolutely, I'm 100%.
I think it was a FrederickNietzsche quote that he said
that organized religion andalcohol were two of the worst
things for humanity.
I was like damn dude opiates ofthe masses.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
But yeah, life without alcohol, once you start
seeing your potential and, likeyou saw, like with Brandon, the
fucking progress he's made in 11months and we were actually
talking about it too it's you'realmost like hungry.
Like I'm four and a half yearssober and I hit a little snag
last year with like my wellnessand stuff.
The first year or two of mysobriety I was just fucking
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hungry for change, you know, andwellness and all this other
crap you know.
And having him come here andvisit me, it's kind of like a
lit a fire under me also and I'mlike, oh yeah, I can get back
to that, you know.
So I'm back to like working outfive days a week watching what.
I do watching what I eat and allthat shit you know.
So 2024, I'm gonna be fuckingyoked.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So 2024 is gonna be a great year.
Yeah, there you go.
It's the year of personaldevelopment.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm down with it and it's accountability to you.
Got a Always got Muncie.
Muncie gives me calls Randomlyto to spark that with me.
I love talking to Brandon.
Brandon will talk for like twohours on the phone though, you
know.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I do love that.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah just fucking go off, you know but and
then I have my brother here aswell but having like positive
accountability like a group, youknow, like what we're doing
right now it's.
It's huge because you can makethese changes in your own life
individually.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right, but revitalizing yourself around
positive people is so fuckingimportant if you don't have have
yourself surrounded with otherpeople who are doing similar
things, it makes it a lot moredifficult to stick with the
decisions that you've made.
Oh god.
Yeah, it's almost impossible Imean, like that law, like you
become the five people that youspend the most time with.
(20:43):
That is so true.
Yeah, it is, and if you'respending time with people that
are drinking and doing drugs,it's like you're probably gonna
be drinking.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Shit, yeah.
Yeah, that's some truth rightthere.
So what do you do?
You stick to any specific likeworkout routine.
Do you do a lot of body weightexercises though?
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah.
So that is something I've beenkind of figuring out as of
recently, Because throughout mywhole adult life I've been into
Exercising with, but it's justbeen more of a roller coaster
because I was always drinking ordoing drugs or whatever and
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that could easily justify wakingup one morning feeling shitty
and be like I'm not gonna do ittoday, Right.
But now that I'm getting into aconsistent routine.
So my morning routine everymorning I wake up and my
non-negotiable morning workout Ido 100 pushups and 100 squats,
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so that's at least the minimumfor the day, and then later in
the day this is something I'vebeen incorporating within the
past month I do a differentmuscle group every day.
So, chest Monday back Tuesdayshoulders Wednesday biceps
Thursday triceps Friday legsSaturday core Sunday no days off
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.
Damn, you're going seven,absolutely Holy fuck, because I
need that.
I need that consistency.
I can't.
It's like I can't just drinkonce a week.
I need to be sober 100%.
I can't take a rest day.
I need to work out every day.
Zero to 100.
, but like on days like todaywhere, like I got up early and I
knew I had a big road tripahead of me, like I still did a
(22:30):
core workout today, but it was,it was really light.
So if I need to, if I need torest, I'll still work out.
It just won't be as intense asit otherwise would have been
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, I think I have one rest day, one or two, but
sometimes if I play basketballfor three straight hours like
I'm fucking gas the next daylike whole bodies aching.
You know, definitely, yeah, butI don't know if I could do
seven days a week.
You're on something right now.
That's yeah you got it, forsure, we'll see it, we'll see
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how long it lasts.
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I mean, I built this whole routine at my dad's house
in shoulder season, where Iwasn't working, so I literally
had all day, every day, tocurate this routine.
Now, going back to Colorado,I'm going to have to assimilate
my job back into my life, sothat's going to be a lot of time
going to have to plan andprepare meals in advance instead
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of just cooking throughout theday, and so, yeah, I'm going to
see if I burn out doing that orif I'm able to sustain it.
But my fitness routine isdefinitely something I've been
working on tweaking as ofrecently.
So yeah continue to see how thatevolves.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, I think with the job and assimilating that
it's definitely going to end thecooking, the meals, like you
said.
Those are two big things thateven I struggle with in terms of
a routine on a weekly basiswhich I was actually just
talking to my girlfriend aboutthis because some days during
the week when you're working andmaybe you have other
obligations, maybe hanging outwith somebody or doing something
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else I just don't have time towork out.
So I actually make my rest daysduring the week because I know
Saturday or Sunday comes aroundand I'm like I have enough time
to go hit a fucking workout onthe weekend.
I think that's smart, right,because other people are like,
oh, saturday, sunday, I'm off.
I don't view it like thatbecause if I wanted to work on
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the podcast or I wanted to workon writing, saturday and Sunday
are those fucking days where Idon't have the rest of life's
obligations to fulfill.
But I might as well hit aworkout on those days too.
Absolutely.
One thing I have noticed is I doa lot of pushups now I've
started the last three monthsmostly because of the time
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constraint with work and stuffand I think people severely
underestimate body weightexercises.
I don't know if it's Instagramor social media in general or
just the industry, but peoplethink I have to get a gym
membership and I have to go tothe gym and I have to do the
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things that other shreddedpeople are saying I need to do.
I don't think so.
I think if you got on aconsistent routine of doing some
fucking pushups, situps andsquats on a weekly basis, you'd
be in so much better shape.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I 100% agree with you .
What people don't realize aboutthe body weight workouts is
that compounds over time.
On this daily routine, I'm onright now of doing 100 pushups
and 100 squats.
My baseline is going to bealmost 37,000 of each every year
.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's huge, when you think about it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's just my baseline.
I mean I'm doing other workoutsand some days I might do two or
three 400 pushups.
While machines and free weightscan be good for building extra
mass, I do think people vastlyundervalue body weight workouts
and what it can do for you.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You don't need to go anywhere.
You're only just doing it onthe fucking floor.
I do it in between points.
I'm playing in a video game ora TV show.
I'm just going to drop down to25 motherfucking pushups.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Last weekend, when I was watching football, every
commercial break I did 10burpees.
Oh shit, I ended up doing 120burpees throughout the course of
the game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
God damn, those are tough though, jesus, those are
tough burpees.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
If you want a good body weight workout, that's also
cardio.
It works everything.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I haven't done that since football.
Yeah, refuse to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'll be honest with you, man.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
In order to make my body weight exercises more
interesting, two months ago Ibought a weighted vest.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, 12 pounds.
It had four.
On Amazon it had a four andeight and a 12.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Really.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I'm a big anime guy.
Okay, growing up I watchedDragon Ball Z.
You've probably heard of DragonBall Z.
In that show it was popularizedlike weighted clothing or
weighted training.
These martial artists wouldwear 50 pounds and then still
fight normally, right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So a very popular thing in the anime community is
looking at that and putting onweighted vest or weighted ankle
weights.
I was going to get the weightedvest to help with running but
after doing some Redditsearching I realized that it's
going to blow my joints out if Iwear a weighted anything and go
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on runs.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I'll really start wearing on your shoulders after
a while.
Yeah, it's that weight hangingon my feet, and it's the knees
too, though, apparently.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I already got bad knees from basketball After
looking into it.
I do wear the weighted vestwhen I just go on walks.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I go on a few two to three mile walks a week and I
just wear the vest and then Icrank out push-ups and squats
with the vest on too.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Okay, yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
That's another way to just adda little bit more power to your
body weight.
Right your sizes.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Exactly, and I don't have to go to the gym for it,
you know.
So it's great.
Also recently got on the saunagrind.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh, I love saunas.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So nice.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
That's honestly.
One of the huge reasons why Iam going back to copper is the
access to the gym, but also thespa.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
In Colorado right.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yes, so like every day, after work, eat a snack, I
go to the gym crank out aworkout and then hot tub, then
steam room, then sauna.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
God damn.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And it's like negative 15 and windy out, and
then it's you've been outsideall day and you're just like
frozen to the bone.
It feels so good to just get ina hot tub, sauna, steam room
and just sit there and breathein the steam or the cedar air.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's so good for you though it is.
Yeah, the sauna is especiallygood for your heart too.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's cardio without moving which is my favorite kind
of cardio.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Dude, I saw some other fucking jagging in the
sauna last week.
What Like?
Literally like fucking jaggingin place and I'm sitting there
like sweating bullets and I'mlike watching him, Like there
were four other dudes in therewith me and we're all watching
him like jogging in place, Likethis man is crazy dude.
He was fucking yoked, he wasshredded.
But I'm like, dude, you won'tsee my ass doing some shit like
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that.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, honestly, like the sauna, I go in there to
relax, Right Like.
I enjoy the cardio of likeafter you've been in there for a
while and your heart startspumping.
You're sweating bullets andjust like breathing deeply, but
I don't need any additional aswell.
I'm in there.
No, I don't know what that guywas trying to do Existing is
enough cardio for me.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It's a hard time with that when it's like 105 degrees
or so.
Well, no, it's like 140 inthere.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's like 180.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Fuck.
Yeah, I did start doing that inthe last couple of weeks,
though it just sucks becauseit's a 20 minute drive for me.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, so I have an LA fitness membership.
There's an LA fitness fiveminutes from here, but they
don't have a sauna.
So that's where I go to hoop,but the LA Fitness 20 minutes
from here has a sauna.
So I make it a point I guess anon-negotiable, as you and
Brandon would say at least oncea week I have to go drive there
and sit in the sauna for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Awesome, that's a very good thing to be doing.
If you can do it more than oncea week, that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think the last two weeks I did twice.
So, yeah, it's just, it'sreally out of the way for.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, and if it becomes an inconvenience, I
totally understand that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And it just sucks because the one I'm closer to is
the one I hoop at, so I got abunch of dudes that show up
there.
We're all in this group that weplay basketball with right.
Yeah, my girlfriend and I wereactually just at a spa yesterday
.
Downtown Chicago is this placecalled RA Baths and it's like
this warehouse that was trickedout to be a spa.
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It's got like six or sevendifferent hot tubs, steam rooms
and shit like that.
One of the hot tubs there hasthe salinity that mimics the
Dead Sea.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh, interesting, yeah , so you can float, in it,
that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, it's badass we actually, we were there.
You pay for either a 45 minute,an hour and a half, oh, and
they have cold plunges there too.
Stationed around, there's acold plunge in the eucalyptus or
peppermint steam room.
I love eucalyptus steam rooms.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it was fucking nice and it's actually in the
steam room, the fucking coldplunge was in there.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
That is genius.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Wow, the hottest hot tub is also next to the coldest
cold plunge there.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That sounds like where I would be.
It's brutal.
It's brutal, Honestly like howcold are we talking?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
30s, 30s, okay, yeah, and then that hot tub is hot as
fuck.
I forgot the temperature.
But I'll tell you what.
I go in the hot tub for likefive minutes, that hot one, and
then I'll go and do 10 seconds.
I'm not a big cold plunge dude,right, I'm not doing the shit
where I'm in there for a coupleminutes, I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh man, you gotta get into that.
I don't know man, I'll workthree minutes to get the
benefits.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I say, oh my god, I'll work up to it at least.
But after doing it for just 10seconds in that cold plunge and
then going into the super hotone, your body like your skin,
you don't feel how hot it is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's a phenomenon called afterdrop, I believe.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it's like numb.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Because your blood when you get into the cold goes
to your core so it can supplyyour organs with blood.
Most of your blood leaves yourextremities and when you get
back into the hot water, all theblood flows back into your
extremities and you get that hotblood flowing through cold
veins and it's just like it wastingly.
Yeah, it can be painful tingly.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, it was a little bit for sure, but it was nice.
I'd say that we paid for anhour and a half long session and
normally it's like a prettyhigh-end spot so that people
come and get you, but no oneever came and got us.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, we actually just ended upleaving because we were just
getting pruney for two hours sowe just left.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You know, I love that .
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I look at my phone and I'm like, holy fuck, we got
an extra half hour out of that.
I was like what?
When there's also a hot tubthat's connected, it's inside,
and then there's a wall and youswim under it and it's outside.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, I've seen those before.
I really like those.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, it was dope, so that was kind of just like our
self-care routine that we tryand do.
It's a little expensive though,so we don't try and do it too
often.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, it definitely gets expensive.
That's honestly a huge reasonwhy I'm going back to copper.
It's included with myemployment there.
Oh god yeah that's nice.
Short walk from where I live.
How long?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
is the season open.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
So I believe we opened last week, November 13th,
and normally the season endsApril 23rd, but last year I
think it was open until May 8th.
It was the longest season in 25years just because the whole
West Coast got hammered withsnow.
Right yeah, so yeah, I'm outthere for five months.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Do you come back to Michigan after though?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So what I did last year after, like at the end of
April, I flew down to Tampa andI spent three and a half weeks
with my aunt and uncle downthere, and then I flew back to
Denver and pretty muchimmediately drove up to Big Sky
and I spent the summer in BigSky, montana Fuck.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, what'd you do up there?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I was working for a private club called Moonlight
Basin and.
I was the valet but didn'tactually do any valet work, so I
was basically the transporterfor members.
So a member needs to be pickedup from the airport, I go grab
them Right.
If they need to get around theresort or into town, I take them
.
So pretty much driving jobs atthese resorts the past couple of
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places I've been.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It's beautiful up there, though I bet.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh, it is incredible.
It's amazing hiking fiveminutes from where I live.
Montana's never a place.
I thought I would go.
I just never really knew muchabout it.
And I found that jobopportunity and I ended up going
there and I fell in love withit.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean like the north, what is that?
Considered Northwest, almostKinda.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I wouldn't say it's quite Northwest.
It is the Northwest, yeah Like.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Montana, north Dakota .
What's another one up there?
Idaho, idaho, washington also.
My parents took us on a lot oftrips with.
My mom loves camping, trailercamping, so glamping.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Glamping yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
She's got a really nice fifth wheel, so we hit a
lot of those states growing up.
But yeah, we haven't been upthere recently.
We go camping quite a bit.
But we go camping in SouthHaven a lot every year.
Okay, yeah, because it's justlike that's a nice area and God,
anytime I can just leaveChicago, I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It is nice to get away from the city, oh yeah, I
won't be buying here.
I won't be purchasing here,I'll tell you that I'm too much
of a nature boy.
I don't really feel that I know.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, same here and it helps a lot with my writing
and just overall well-being too.
You can be having a shitty dayand you just go spend 30 minutes
in nature and you're like, wow,life really isn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, you know, smell some fresh air.
Get some sun on your skin, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
But here in the city it's just like, wow, all I smell
is cement, trash and trucks,yeah, and I'm like, fuck me dude
, I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
And the Midwest winners.
That is what really kills me.
I suffer from seasonaldepression, as many people do,
and in Michigan, when the sun isgone for like two, three weeks
at a time, that's gone.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm so depressed.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And Colorado actually gets the most sun of the entire
nation, even more than Florida.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Really.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
And so it's either a bluebird day or just blue skies
and sunshine, or it's dumpingsnow on us, so it's like the
weather is fantastic, no matterwhich way you spin it.
So you walk out in the middleof January, where it's normally
like dark, and walk out like, ohit's bright, it's beautiful,
I'm feeling good, I got energy.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So you're big on the sunlight thing, right?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Sunlight and the retinas.
Did you get that from Hubermanor is there somebody else who
you got it from?
Liver King is a huge proponentof sunlight on the skin.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm trying to think.
I think there was someone elsein the past.
I think Wim Hof talks aboutthat as well.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I know, I've never heard of him.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Oh, really Wim Hof, so he's known as the Iceman.
Oh, ok, he was really I thinkwhat brought?
He brought cold plunging to myattention.
My dad introduced me to Wim Hoflike three years ago or so and
he holds all of these worldrecords where he can sit in an
ice bath for 15 hours and notchange his core body temperature
(38:07):
.
So he's participated in a lotof research that previously was
thought like.
We cannot control ourautonomous I don't know if I'm
saying that correctly autonomousnervous system.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, like homeostasis regulation.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, Things that are performed to keep our body in
homeostasis like you said it wasthought that we could not
influence that.
He proved that we can influenceit, that you can actually
stimulate the flow of adrenalinethrough your body to keep
yourself warm when you get inthose extreme cold conditions.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
He's been doing that for years, though.
Right, yeah, he's been trainingalmost.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He climbed Mount Everest in shorts.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No shirt, those guys fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, he is, and I love when people call me crazy.
I've been into cold plungingever since I found out about it
and have gotten progressivelybetter at it, and I'll tell you
the benefits from it areincredible.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
But what do you see is the benefits?
What do you get from it thatyou didn't see before?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Well, the immediate benefit that you get is the
dopamine rush.
I mean cold plunging is rarelya pleasant experience If it's in
water that's not super cold,like when I was up visiting
Brandon in October in Sutton'sBay.
I was jumping in the lake andit was cold but it was like
bearable.
I was sitting in there enjoyingit.
(39:43):
But if I'm jumping in theOsable River in January where
the water is 33 degrees and it'smoving, that's like okay.
I got to seriously prepare forthis because it can be very
dangerous if you don't know whatyou're doing.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Right Now.
Let's say, you can actuallyhave a panic attack too, like
you're almost fight or flight,if you're not mentally prepared
for something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, and if your breathing gets away from you?
And you start unconsciouslyshivering that's when the
hypothermia can set in.
But if you keep your breathingunder control and you take those
long, deep breaths and focus ongenerating warmth throughout
your body, it works.
I mean, I've done three minutesin a 33 degree river and when
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you're in moving water it ismore difficult because you don't
get that thermal layer thatbuilds around your body when
you're in still water.
So that's the intense coldplunging I've done.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
So the dopamine is just kind of like almost like
the adrenaline of the momentright Shortly after.
Are there any long termpositive effects?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
for cold plunging.
It's very good for yourcardiovascular system and your
immune system, similar to howsaunas work.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Both of those systems are positively influenced by
that, especially if you're goinghot to cold, cold to hot.
I've heard varying things ofyou're supposed to do cold first
or you're supposed to do hotfirst or it doesn't matter.
So I can't speak on thatspecifically, but I know that's
big in Scandinavian countrieswhere saunas are very popular up
(41:24):
there.
So we'll go in the sauna, do acold plunge, go back in the
sauna.
I've always enjoyed the backand forth and it's about
building anti-fragility, likemaking your body less fragile to
shocks.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Doing uncomfortable things.
Yeah, doing uncomfortablethings.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
If you're not doing it for any other benefits, do it
to get uncomfortable.
That's how I feel about theliver too.
Like yeah, it has all of thesebenefits to eating it, but it's
a disgusting piece of raw meatand you got to make yourself.
Do it, like, get uncomfortable.
Do something that you don'twant to do to build that
anti-fragility up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Do you think we're too comfortable here in America?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Oh, absolutely.
Our whole lives are builtaround comfort.
I mean just finally breakingout of this comfort zone of
getting sober.
I mean, alcohol was my comfortzone.
I always knew I had that thingto go back, to fall back on, not
think too much.
Not feel too much, right, right, right.
(42:24):
I mean, you know, with all ofthe streaming subscriptions,
people love to just burythemselves in watching
television.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Right Everything they could want food and item-wise
is ordered right to yourdoorstep.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yep, you don't have to leave your house.
Social media is crazy, I mean,it can be such a useful tool,
but also such a harmful vice.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Oh God, it's dangerous.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I, even if I have too much free time, I get addicted
to Instagram.
I'm just like scrolling,scrolling.
It's the reels man.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
The reels get me.
Yeah, they get you.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But I have recently started consciously curating
what I do on Instagram and I'vebeen starting to produce content
instead of consume content.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Right, there you go.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
And so that's what I'm doing with that new
Instagram I dropped last week.
I'm just showing my story,showing what I do on a daily
basis to be healthy and well,and I hope to build a following
with that and inspire as manypeople as I can to do the same.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Hell yeah, I'm going to drop links for that too.
Yeah, I would appreciate that,yeah absolutely It'll be in the
link, for you know it's up onSpotify, apple Podcast, google
Podcast and stuff.
So if people click in thedescription, then your handle
will come up.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Right on yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I still got to get around to doing some shit like
that.
I don't like putting outcontent, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
It's so uncomfortable .
I hate it and, as a libertarian, like I'm a very private person
, like if I could just disappearoff social media and be off the
grid, I would Right, but I'vecome to the point in my life
where I think social media isultimately your resume to the
world.
Yeah, and some people havereally highly sought after
(44:09):
skills that they can use toprovide for themselves.
They don't need to be on socialmedia, but unfortunately I
graduated from university anddon't really have any marketable
skills besides spending 10years in the service industry,
bar attending and I don't wantto.
I don't want to go back to that.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
No.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
That being in that environment I don't think is
going to be healthy for me.
Oh God no, so I have a passionfor health and wellness, so I'm
trying to share that with theworld.
Nice Getting out of my comfortzone posting myself on Instagram
.
It still feels very weirdtalking to the camera.
I know I'm not about it really,and even like this is my first
(44:47):
podcast, I'm not used to doingthis kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You've been great with this, though.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Well, thank you yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I tend to like doing this more than talking to my
phone, though, you know, becausethis feels like a more
authentic conversation than meLike yeah, we're just sitting
here talking to each other.
Right, Instead of like metalking to my phone.
Oh, I got to do a retake.
Oh, I got to take a picture ofmyself.
I got to take a picture of this.
You know, like people need toknow what we're doing with our
lives, which is I don't liketaking a moment to like show
(45:19):
people my life, because I likejust being in the moment.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yes, and that is hard to find that balance too.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
It is.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
And eventually I know .
Something Brandon has beentalking about is outsourcing
social media production.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah to somebody else yeah, that's the goal.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Here's all this content.
Do something, build a reel forme, put out like post content
every day.
Right Because what I'mrealizing.
It does take a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Dropped my morning routine reel yesterday morning
and just I filmed it all andthen just putting it all
together, trying to sync it up,make it look like somewhat
professional.
It takes a lot of time.
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
And it's a pain in the ass yeah.
That's why I actually, you know, like with these cameras and
everything, I've been trying toget to a more professional place
with that.
You know, I know I got to startgetting up on that content
other than this content, youknow, I'd rather just be an
author and a podcast host.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
But the world doesn't want that anymore.
The world wants a face thatthey can put to those things and
accomplishments and thoseskills.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
The world wants to hear your story.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
They do, yeah, but they also want to see what's
happening around the story, likehow does he wake up, what does
he do when he wakes up?
You know, what are his favoritethings to watch on TV, what are
his favorite things to eat,what are his favorite workouts
to do?
You know, if I do a sobrietyand wellness podcast, people
need to know about it.
You know, absolutely.
So I'm slowly coming to termswith that, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
You can also use social media to get a feel for
what people want to see.
Right, I've been doing thatlike, hey, what have you enjoyed
for my content so far?
And I don't get a ton offeedback.
But the feedback I do get, Iuse that like okay, people want
to see the meals I'm eating.
People want to see the workoutsI'm doing.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
People want to just see inspirational, motivational
messages.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So Right, I think I'm in the same genre too.
I just got to fucking do it,you know.
But yeah, like the podcast,audio, the video, the, and then
still writing like it's, it getsto be a lot, and social media
has fallen down on my, myhierarchy, I should say, you
know.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, and that's totally understandable, right.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
But you know, doing uncomfortable things is how we
grow, though, right?
100% Fuck, yeah, yeah, I'll getaround to that.
But so you got anything.
Got anything else?
What are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
So you like anime and .
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I don't like anime.
I do like anime, I do, I loveanime actually.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So I was laughing listening to the last podcast
where you and Brandon weretalking shit about my dislike
for you.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
That was him, though.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
First of all he got me going on it, though, and I
was like, okay, maybe this willbe a good opportunity to talk
about why I don't like it.
Or do you even just think aboutit, because it's something I've
talked shit about for a while?
What do you not like about it?
I think it really boils down tothe way that it's animated.
Okay, like the choppiness ofthe animation, right.
(48:24):
It just triggers something inmy mind that I really don't like
it.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Do you view it as like cartoony?
Is that why?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I wouldn't say that because I enjoy other cartoons
like Rick and Morty.
I love the way that's animated.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, like adult animation, adult comedy
animation yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
And like even I was really big into the Pokemon
video games when I was a kid andthe trading cards, but I could
never watch the show.
It bothered me too much yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
I was.
Yeah, I watched the show alittle bit.
I'm a huge Pokemon fan by theway too.
You have really big on thatshit.
You know, yeah, the anime waslike like the games and the
cards were where it was at.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I love those 16-bit games.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Oh, I love that shit.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh yeah, and you got that new.
What's it called?
It's the analog pocket Analogpocket.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
That thing looks awesome.
Yo, it's sexy.
When I was unboxing it too,like my girlfriend's sitting
there and I took the box off andlike, oh it's so sexy.
She goes are you okay.
I'm like, yeah, wish I wouldhave had this 20 years ago.
I know, dude, it's literallylike you can put in Game Boy
Color and Game Boy Advance gamesand it's HD.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
That's so wild it's so crisp it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I actually had to like go through a process of
like cleaning all the games outprofessionally, like undoing the
cartridges, cleaning all thepens.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, I saw you were doing like some soldering work.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, I was doing some soldering work with like
the batteries and the Pokemongames.
I went like super deep in thathole.
Yeah, I couldn't get into thePokemon anime at all, but Well
yeah, for me it's like anoverarching all anime.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's the way that the choppy animation does something
in my brain.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
My autistic self just does not like it.
And a lot of my friends are inanime, like I'm one of the few
people that I can think of.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
that doesn't like anime, right, it's just one of
those things.
Well, you like.
You like Rick and Morty.
Do you like when those like theaction scenes in Rick and Morty
, when they just get super outof hand, there's explosions,
things flying all over the place.
Yeah, that animation lookscrisp, though, right.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
It does for sure.
Yeah, I think it's like therepeat, like in an anime, like a
running scene, like they repeattwo frames, like back and over.
Yeah and it's like that.
I think that's the big reason.
After thinking about it, Idon't think there's any
underlying reason why I dislikeit, besides the animation.
What it does to my brain, right.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
I would say that depending on the anime you're
watching.
So if you're watching thingslike Pokemon or even Dragon Ball
Z or like the extremely popularones, those studios have to
pump out episodes on like aweekly basis.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
It's almost like South Park, you know?
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
You know so they're.
They're reusing frames andclips and shit like that.
You know the higher end anime,though, like where they're
dropping hundreds of thousandsof dollars on episodes and they
get years to like produce it,like the animation is totally
crispy.
You know they're not reusingthe same shit like that.
Okay, yeah, I don't watch anime, for I mean, it's aesthetically
(51:34):
pleasing to me because, well, Idon't watch any of the choppy
ones.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
You know that was like growing up I would watch
Dragon Ball Z.
Maybe I would put that in thatcategory too.
A lot of people watch otherpopular ones like that.
But the stuff I watch now isdefinitely animated better.
But most of the reason I watchit is for like the philosophy
behind it, like the story, thecharacter development, like the
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super fucked up shit, almostlike with like Attack on Titan.
There's so many underlyingthemes and there's PTSD, there's
war crimes, there's likecharacter development, there's
anti-heroes.
There's so many fucking thingsgoing on that.
There's so many things thatAmerican television won't touch
on, you know.
So when I started watchingthese shows, I'm like a little
(52:23):
I'm sitting there, I'm likerocked that they even like said
some shit like that you know,because I hadn't seen that in
American television.
Like over in Japan they don'tgive a fuck.
Really, they're fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Quite a different perspective Right.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I mean, after World War II they just they couldn't
have an army.
So they're like oh, we're justgoing to dump all of our money
into technology and art, youknow, and then you have what you
have today.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
So would you look at that?
Speaker 1 (52:51):
like wellness or like doing the impossible, chasing
your dreams, and stuff like that, overcoming hardships and stuff
like.
A Lot of the characters thatI've watched have inspired me in
one way or another to chase mydreams, which is the main reason
why I watch them all.
Okay, yeah, I love that.
Yeah, so it's definitely like amore deeper meaning.
(53:12):
It's not just like fight scenesand shit like that.
You know, um, yes, I think likethere's that picture right
there, my, my sister, hand madethat really yeah, she did that
for my two-year sobriety markyeah that's awesome.
Yeah, she picked out.
She asked me one day she goeslike what are your ten favorite
Animates or ten favoritecharacters?
(53:32):
And I I told her and I'm likeoh, why.
And she goes, oh, I was havinga conversation with my friends
about it, you know, and playedit off like whatever.
And then she handed me that onmy two-year sobriety mark and
it's like my favorite charactersand they all have a quote at
the bottom of it.
So I'm just really big on thatshit.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Okay, I respect that.
I think that's really importantwhat you feed your mind.
If you're feeding it positiveMessages from TV that you watch.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, not reality TV or some yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Well, even for a long time, my favorite shows, the
protagonists.
I get so identified with them.
Yeah, and like I'm watching MadMen, don Draper fucking
alcoholic I'm watching hell onwheels, cullen Bohan and
alcoholic.
I'm watching all of these showswhere the protagonist is just
glorifying alcoholism and right.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Rick and Morty.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, rick and Morty yeah it's like one of those
things, and I'm I became veryaware of that, so now I have to
like be careful what I watch, orhow much I watch.
Right, like always, sunny inPhiladelphia Love that show but,
I, can't watch too much of itbecause, it's just degeneracy.
Trailer Park Boys Yep, yep,same shit.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, I can't say I don't want like family guys.
Probably one of my favoritelike adult Animation shows like.
Rick and Morty in South Park.
You know, and I'll love thoseshows forever.
You know I won't stop lovingthem.
But there's like a certainthreshold of like, after you're
done watching, you're likealright, my brain feels kind of
kaputz, right now yeah, wasn'tdoing really much thinking.
(55:06):
You know, and, like you know,peterson alcoholic, like the
glorification of alcoholism as ajoke is seen in media all over
the place.
You know, and, yeah, I try notto vibe with those protagonists
anymore at this point.
Yeah, so I actually have tostill watch the new Rick and
(55:26):
Morty season, but it's airingright now.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Oh yeah, I have not seen any of season seven season
seven.
I just finished catching up onseason six.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I did the same thing, which.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I thought was pretty good.
I thought season five was alittle iffy.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, I mean the newer seat.
You know, it's not the first,the first three seasons.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, well, and I think I heard of Justin Roiland.
I'm not sure when exactly thathappened.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
So for this new season.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Okay, so season season six, yeah, season seven.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, you can tell a difference, but it's not Not
noticeable.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah so many people that can imitate those voice,
act those voices back in like2017, when I was watching Five
hours of Rick and Morty everyday.
I my Rick impression was right,yeah.
Yeah, it's not quite so goodanymore, morty, but he used to
be really good.
I'm just a washed up voiceimpressionist now.
Oh geez, rick, I don't knowabout this.
Another thing I respect aboutBrandon he can do so many voices
(56:24):
.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, oh, this makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
He's a character though for sure yes.
Brandon hasn't, like, watched alot of anime either, though
he's watched, he will.
He's watched a couple of them,but, yeah, he definitely wanted
to give you shit for that.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
So I appreciate that I.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Think that this is.
I think we did a good job onthis episode.
Do you have anything that youwould like to say to my
listeners, anythinginspirational, or how do you
think people can overcome theirmisconceptions about themselves
to live a healthier life?
Speaker 2 (57:06):
well, what I will say is everybody's on their own
journey and Everybody takes adifferent amount of time to to
grow and evolve, and some peoplenever get to that point, and I
guess what I would like to sayis I'm doing my best to inspire
(57:30):
as many people as possible,especially the people that Might
not have ever evolved on theirown, that I can be like the
shining light that helped themsee their potential.
So I Guess I'm gonna keepputting out as high of quality
content as I can.
I'd really appreciate ifanybody's interested, if they
(57:52):
want to follow my wellnessjourney, you can follow at my
Instagram.
But uh, yeah, I'll leave it atthat.
I'm always open to feedback.
You want to see me do somecrazy shit?
I'll take it into account andI'll do it and I'll film it, oh
yeah.
So yeah, I felt very free heretoday, so feel so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
John.
Absolutely, this was a damngood conversation.
Really appreciate you coming by.
Don't forget to follow him onInstagram for his wellness
journey.
I'm gonna be dropping links inthe description.
Appreciate everybody coming outtoday, so stay up and feel free
.
This is the Feel Free Podcast, the only podcast
that'll tell you to chase yourdreams and call you out on all
your bullshit, myself included.
I got my buddy, aiden Thim,here to talk about his wellness
journey.
He's also best friends withBrandon K Chuck, who was just on
(00:20):
the podcast last week, so I'mbringing all the awesome homies
together to talk about yourwellness journey.
So you are a month sober now.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So you said yes, month on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
And what are you sober from?
Was it just the booze, really?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Alcohol yes.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Okay, so you didn't really have the wasn't like weed
or anything other than that,really.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You know.
So currently I am still smokingweed at night.
That is something I would liketo stop doing in the future, but
I know myself and it'ssomething I know I have to be
ready for.
Like quitting drinking issomething I've wanted to do for
a long time, but I wasn't readyto do it until it finally
(01:06):
clicked.
I'm like this enough is enough.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I actually did the same thing during my sobriety,
so I continued to smoke just toget rid of the other habits,
which would be like the alcoholand cocaine, because once you
try and take down too many badhabits at one time, it's just
not going to work.
You're going to lose your mind.
So I know how that is, and doesit help you sleep at night?
(01:30):
Is that how you?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
is that what you're doing?
Yeah, that's a big thing.
I only smoke in the evenings.
I don't smoke a large quantity,but it is very much of it's the
end of the day.
I kind of want to wind down alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It's therapeutic, yeah for sure.
Now, what was your inspirationto getting off the booze?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Honestly, brandon was a huge inspiration to me.
I have been drinking fairlyheavily for about 10 years or so
, ever since I started at GrandValley as a freshman and got
involved with the alcohol andpartying culture and drinking is
just very normal.
In my family there's a lot ofpeople that drink a lot like
(02:14):
functioning alcoholic level, andso it was always something that
was very normalized to me and Inever thought I would give it
up.
I thought maybe I could pull itback and not drink so heavily,
and I had several attempts atthat with varying levels of
success, where I would pull back, not drink a lot for a while,
(02:35):
but then I'd go on a bender andgo crazy and you're right back
into it again and I'm just likeoh my gosh, this happened again
Lacking out, doing stupid stuff,feeling horrible and
unmotivated to do my wellnessactivities.
And so really, watching Brandonover the last 11 months with him
getting coached, and theprogress that he's made in his
(02:59):
life in all areas his fitness,his job, his finances I just
started to see like, wow, thisis a realistic goal for me.
I mean, he's having a greattime sober, so if he can do it,
then I can do it.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's crazy.
I mean, he is an inspirationalmotherfucker though he is, he is
.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I mean, he was the biggest inspiration, but also,
like he introduced me to you andMoncy and I know you guys have
quite a bit of sobriety underyour belt and just introducing
me to more sober people that areliving their truths without
alcohol.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Right yeah, I think Moncy just hit his five year
recently yeah.
I'm at four and a half rightnow.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Right on.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Congratulations, thank you.
I was actually at a sobermeetup last night it wasn't NA
or AA, but it's a group onFacebook called Sober Souls and
we just went and played justboard games last night and hung
out and I actually handed out acopy of my book to everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh, right on.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, so that was actually a really cool
experience.
Brandon's always been like ahuge inspiration to me, whether
he knows it or not, and I thinkthat's the same for a lot of
people you know to finally seehim living his truth, Like you
say, it's uh, yeah, I'm reallyproud of him and I know he's
going to do great things.
So, absolutely Honestly, man,like the booze, I don't miss it.
(04:28):
I don't, I really don't.
After, like you said, you'veseen the progress in Brandon and
where my life is right now, Iactually had somebody ask me
that on an episode.
They're like so you'll neverdrink again.
And I'm like I I don't see apoint.
Yeah, I don't see a point in it.
You know, physically,emotionally, mentally,
financially, like it's just noteven comparable, Like who I am
(04:51):
now and who I was before.
You know and I could see thatwith you as well, Cause you're
very similar to my brother.
He, a couple of years ago, hegave up drinking too.
He's on the uh, the liver andorgan grind.
He's trained for the Olympics.
He's uh trying to get his miletime down to like four minutes.
Wow, I think he's at fourminutes and five seconds right
(05:12):
now.
That's impressive, yeah, so he.
He gave up all of his badhabits and he turned it around
to kind of do the fitness thingthat you're doing right now,
Very um, not really carnivore,but very holistic though.
So did you always have thisknowledge or has this been
something that's been happeningrecently, like with your eating
(05:32):
and you're working out and stuff?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So, um, growing up, uh, both of my parents were
always into health and wellness.
Um, especially my mother.
I get a lot of my passion forhealth and wellness from her.
She's always working out,always cooking the best meals.
Uh, using organic food.
Uh, we just grew up avoidingprocessed food for the most part
(05:56):
.
So, I kind of had that firsthandexperience of eating well
throughout my life, Even as akid.
I hated it because I wanted thefun cereals.
I wanted to eat the lucky charmand the, the gushers and what
have you and my parents wouldnever buy that stuff.
But looking back on it.
I'm like wow, I, I actually uh,what's, what's saved?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
from that for sure.
I mean, that's huge nowadays,though.
I mean, my parents did give methat shit though, so um.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean, I got it at friends houses and we can find
it.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You know um but to have it on like tap, like always
in the house.
You know you're going to eat itthen.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, it becomes an ingrained is who you are and
what you do is you don't reallythink about it, right?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's the same thing with soda too.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Now that I don't drink.
I don't really drink, I don'tdrink pop anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Nor do I.
I'm a big seltzer water guy.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
McCroys or bubblies.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
All right, yeah, I just recently got into that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I realized, um, after giving up drinking, I love
drinking, it just doesn't needto be alcohol, right?
Um, I'm really big into thenon-alcoholic beers as of late.
Um, like watching a footballgame, I'll get a six pack of
Heineken NAs and drink those,right.
And um, what you were sayingbefore about how you don't miss
(07:17):
the booze, there, I don't missthe way alcohol makes me feel
because after a while I justwasn't doing the same thing for
me.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I didn't feel worse, like clouded, like I, my
cognition was just not workingthe way that it should.
But there are some things thatI will miss about drinking
culture.
Um, I was a big cocktail guy,love making cocktails, uh,
trying new cocktails, being inthat like high end bar setting,
right.
But yeah, now with thenon-alcoholic beer I'm like I
(07:48):
still get to indulge in abeverage and have that community
surrounding it without thenegative effects of alcohol on
my mind and yeah, the hangover.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I love that.
Yeah, my brother's big on theuh, the non-alcoholic beers, but
it's also like the bubbly part.
You know, that's what got meinto the um I'm really big into
was it liquid death?
I haven't tried that yet,Really.
Yeah, Definitely.
I'd say, snag one on your tripto Colorado.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Okay, yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, if you like LaCroix and Bubbly, um, you
definitely like that.
They have flavors, but I alwaysjust go for the normal
carbonated water.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
As long as it's carbonated I'm I'm usually fine
with that.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely good, but otherwise I
I mostly just drink, uh, coffeeand water.
So what happened with just upand leaving and everything?
So when I look at you, I seesomebody who's lived in Colorado
his whole life, though.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So uh, I get that a lot.
I either get the Colorado orthe California vibe.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Right, some people you think it's the hair.
I think it's partially the hair, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
With the flow like this, people expect me to be a
surfer.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I mean yeah, or a snowboarder, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Which I love all boards, boards, um, surfing.
I probably have the leastexperience, just cause I haven't
lived by an ocean, but do enjoyit.
Um, but yeah, ever since I wasa kid I've been on skis or
snowboard and I've always wantedto live and work at a ski
resort and last year presentedthe opportunity.
(09:19):
Um, I didn't have an apartment,didn't have a relationship, I
just didn't have a lot ofpossessions, so not a lot of
things tie me down, so got ridof a lot of my stuff, packed my
remaining stuff into my car anddrove out to the Rocky Mountains
and it was, hands down, thebest winner of my life.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
This bad ass though.
I mean a lot of people have theability to do something like
that.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, everyone keeps telling me, like, do it while
you're young do it while youdon't have attachments and I'm
like, yeah, I suppose that'strue.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
So you're going to go back every winter to Colorado
now.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You know, my only plan is that I don't have a plan
.
There you go as far as um shortterm goes.
I do have a long term visionthat I'm working towards,
especially after getting sober,and I can see that coming to
life and not being hampered bymy bad habits Right and
ultimately, the next year for meis just going to be about
(10:16):
developing those good habits.
The quote I heard recently thathas really resonated with me is
it's not how, it's who, it'snot how are you going to
manifest your vision?
Are you the person that can doit?
Okay, and so right now I'mworking on crafting the man that
can do that Nice.
I think Colorado is a greatspot for me to be doing that.
(10:38):
It's a really cheap place tolive.
Where I'm at, I have access toa really nice gym and a really
nice spa.
I have the same hours every day, so I can get into a routine of
going to the gym every day,working every day, just
developing those good habits,and then snowboarding and then
snowboarding.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Fuck yeah, that's nice.
So what got you on the?
Uh, the organ diet, though Wereyou always on that.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, actually.
So I'm a big follower of liverking.
Okay, he's one of the people Ilove to follow on Instagram.
Um, not taking his word asgospel or by any means, but I
really do love the message thathe preaches of kind of going
back to ancestral living anddoing as our ancestors did.
And, um, as far as the organmeat goes, it's extremely
(11:28):
nutrient, dense.
It's just it's not usually inhigh demand because not a lot of
people like to eat it.
It has a very off-puttingflavor.
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Sure and texture yes, yeah, that was uh.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
When I first tried it last year, that was a huge
obstacle for me.
I've since found ways to eat itin a um how should I say this?
Um less disgusting way,manageable.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Like I'll blend it into a smoothie with some fruit
and some other things, so youstill get a little liver flavor,
but you're not trying to likework through this chewy blob
that you otherwise would have todo, right, right.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
For for how much?
Uh, like the nutrient densityof it, like there's nothing that
compares to it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And that that's a big thing that he talks about.
Um, especially with the vitaminA or retinol.
It is the?
Um most dense source of retinolthat you can find on the planet
and you can't get that from asupplement, because the key of
it coming from an animal sourceis the bioavailability.
Like the ability of your bodyto actually integrate and break
(12:35):
it down.
Yeah, and like retinol.
That's huge for your skin.
That's.
It's like collagen a little bit.
Okay helps prevent wrinkles andKeeps the that natural, young,
glow right present.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I have collagen peptides I put in my workout
smoothies too.
I can't say I'm on that livergrind, though my brother eats a
piece of liver every day, thoughI think, oh, right on, I think
he's been doing that, and also apiece of testicle For the got.
It's got to be a year at least,you know yeah, finally got into
the testicle recently.
Yeah he raves about it, for how?
(13:10):
It how it's helped him with hisrecovery in terms of, like, all
of his workouts and stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I mean, he's like, like I said, he's training For
the Olympics and like all of hisrunning and stuff like that,
and he's noticed a significantdifference in his ability to
perform, while eating the liverin the testicle, you know and
and the ancient knowledge goesback to Like fixes, like so if
you want to, you want to fixyour heart eat heart right.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
If you want to improve your virility, eat
testicle right.
Like that sort of ancientwisdom, I think, definitely has
a basis in fact, and people havebeen doing it for thousands of
years.
We've just gotten away from ita little bit in the past century
.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
We've gotten away from a lot of Things in the last
century, and fortunately youknow.
I mean we could have an entireconversation about more than
just health, you know, political, financial and all that other
crap.
But uh, yeah, I think it's anabsolute disservice what the the
government and the medicalindustry have done to the people
(14:14):
over here in America.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yes, it is a shame and, and over the last couple
years I've really started torealize, I mean, wake up a
little bit, like, like they say,like getting red pilled, like
you take the red pill from thematrix right you wake up to the
reality of everything, and themore time goes by, the more it
seems quite obvious to me thatit is its position like that,
(14:40):
for a reason.
Like the medical industry withbig pharma, they want to keep
you sick so they can continueselling you drugs it's like
right and Like the governmentwith their dietary guidelines.
They want to make you fat.
They want to make you weak,because fat and weak people are
compliant right and they canpush their agenda on you more
(15:02):
easily right and that, reallythat goes against my, my
libertarian morals and values.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I was gonna say.
I was gonna say libertarian oranarcho capitalist, both, just
like Brandon Brandon.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Both of those ideologies, and I mean just
after the light reading I'vedone on Austrian economics and
free markets, I really do have astrong belief in it, whether or
not it's realistic to implementin this country with everything
we have going on the values,though, of libertarianism and
Anarcho capitalism.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Though it's, it's not if it's gonna be applied to
every facet of life, but thewhole the freedom thing is
really big.
I wouldn't consider myself afull-blown libertarian like like
you and Brandon, or an anarchocapitalist like my buddy, chris
is also here.
I like to take little bits andpieces from everything, but
Definitely in terms of likeauthenticity and like fending
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for yourself.
You know, being a human eatingthese things like organs and
stuff actually taking care ofour humanity.
You know those, those valuesare part of libertarianism, in
my opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Absolutely.
I think personal accountabilityis a huge one.
Oh yeah, that I think I lackeda lot of In the early part of my
adulthood for sure, yeah, samehere and have just really come
into that the past couple yearsand Now taking this next step of
getting sober, I'm like Ireally want to take care of
myself to the fullest of myability.
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I know I have the potential tomanifest like some pretty crazy
dreams that I've had but haveshoved off to the side because I
was.
I was ready to settle for amediocre life.
I was ready to.
You know I I could drink alittle bit, I could have fun
Just wanted to make enough moneyto be comfortable.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Pay my bills?
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
But, um, something Brandon said on one of your
guys's last podcast is somethinglike my biggest fear was living
a mediocre life.
Yeah, and that really.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Are like I think it was like his quote was like
something about hell, or likehell, hell is Dying and then
seeing what your life could havebeen, or something.
Yeah, I was like, well, that'ssome fucked up shit.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And I just I saw two paths ahead of me, especially
like as I'm approaching 30 inthe next couple years.
I have decent amount of friendsin their 30s and some are very
high achieving and some are not,and I was kind of looking down
the paths of where I was goingto go if I continued down the
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path I was on and it reallyscared me.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I.
I don't want to look back in 50years and be like, wow, I could
have done all this stuff.
I want to look back and be like, wow, I made the decisions and
I did that stuff right that thatself-awareness is huge.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
That's all I.
It's crazy when you get thatself-awareness because of the
sobriety too.
Like you've had moments likethat, that self-awareness, but
like you're saying you weresettling for a mediocre life.
I was doing the same shitbefore I was getting sober.
I'd have these spurts of likewhat I see, my potential, my
life, and then I'd be like but Ican, I can just go and do this
instead.
Yeah, and it's taking that stepto finally the clarity you get
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without alcohol.
Like I don't push, like doingdrugs on anybody.
You know I'd be a hypocrite ifI told people to not try them.
You know, because I did right.
Oh yeah, once you've had thoseexperiences treating your life
optimally in a health aspect,I'd say I'd say alcohol is one
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of the worst fucking things foryou.
Absolutely, I'm 100%.
I think it was a FrederickNietzsche quote that he said
that organized religion andalcohol were two of the worst
things for humanity.
I was like damn dude opiates ofthe masses.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
But yeah, life without alcohol, once you start
seeing your potential and, likeyou saw, like with Brandon, the
fucking progress he's made in 11months and we were actually
talking about it too it's you'realmost like hungry.
Like I'm four and a half yearssober and I hit a little snag
last year with like my wellnessand stuff.
The first year or two of mysobriety I was just fucking
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hungry for change, you know, andwellness and all this other
crap you know.
And having him come here andvisit me, it's kind of like a
lit a fire under me also and I'mlike, oh yeah, I can get back
to that, you know.
So I'm back to like working outfive days a week watching what.
I do watching what I eat and allthat shit you know.
So 2024, I'm gonna be fuckingyoked.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So 2024 is gonna be a great year.
Yeah, there you go.
It's the year of personaldevelopment.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm down with it and it's accountability to you.
Got a Always got Muncie.
Muncie gives me calls Randomlyto to spark that with me.
I love talking to Brandon.
Brandon will talk for like twohours on the phone though, you
know.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I do love that.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah just fucking go off, you know but and
then I have my brother here aswell but having like positive
accountability like a group, youknow, like what we're doing
right now it's.
It's huge because you can makethese changes in your own life
individually.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right, but revitalizing yourself around
positive people is so fuckingimportant if you don't have have
yourself surrounded with otherpeople who are doing similar
things, it makes it a lot moredifficult to stick with the
decisions that you've made.
Oh god.
Yeah, it's almost impossible Imean, like that law, like you
become the five people that youspend the most time with.
(20:43):
That is so true.
Yeah, it is, and if you'respending time with people that
are drinking and doing drugs,it's like you're probably gonna
be drinking.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Shit, yeah.
Yeah, that's some truth rightthere.
So what do you do?
You stick to any specific likeworkout routine.
Do you do a lot of body weightexercises though?
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah.
So that is something I've beenkind of figuring out as of
recently, Because throughout mywhole adult life I've been into
Exercising with, but it's justbeen more of a roller coaster
because I was always drinking ordoing drugs or whatever and
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that could easily justify wakingup one morning feeling shitty
and be like I'm not gonna do ittoday, Right.
But now that I'm getting into aconsistent routine.
So my morning routine everymorning I wake up and my
non-negotiable morning workout Ido 100 pushups and 100 squats,
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so that's at least the minimumfor the day, and then later in
the day this is something I'vebeen incorporating within the
past month I do a differentmuscle group every day.
So, chest Monday back Tuesdayshoulders Wednesday biceps
Thursday triceps Friday legsSaturday core Sunday no days off
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.
Damn, you're going seven,absolutely Holy fuck, because I
need that.
I need that consistency.
I can't.
It's like I can't just drinkonce a week.
I need to be sober 100%.
I can't take a rest day.
I need to work out every day.
Zero to 100.
, but like on days like todaywhere, like I got up early and I
knew I had a big road tripahead of me, like I still did a
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core workout today, but it was,it was really light.
So if I need to, if I need torest, I'll still work out.
It just won't be as intense asit otherwise would have been
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, I think I have one rest day, one or two, but
sometimes if I play basketballfor three straight hours like
I'm fucking gas the next daylike whole bodies aching.
You know, definitely, yeah, butI don't know if I could do
seven days a week.
You're on something right now.
That's yeah you got it, forsure, we'll see it, we'll see
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how long it lasts.
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I mean, I built this whole routine at my dad's house
in shoulder season, where Iwasn't working, so I literally
had all day, every day, tocurate this routine.
Now, going back to Colorado,I'm going to have to assimilate
my job back into my life, sothat's going to be a lot of time
going to have to plan andprepare meals in advance instead
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of just cooking throughout theday, and so, yeah, I'm going to
see if I burn out doing that orif I'm able to sustain it.
But my fitness routine isdefinitely something I've been
working on tweaking as ofrecently.
So yeah continue to see how thatevolves.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, I think with the job and assimilating that
it's definitely going to end thecooking, the meals, like you
said.
Those are two big things thateven I struggle with in terms of
a routine on a weekly basiswhich I was actually just
talking to my girlfriend aboutthis because some days during
the week when you're working andmaybe you have other
obligations, maybe hanging outwith somebody or doing something
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else I just don't have time towork out.
So I actually make my rest daysduring the week because I know
Saturday or Sunday comes aroundand I'm like I have enough time
to go hit a fucking workout onthe weekend.
I think that's smart, right,because other people are like,
oh, saturday, sunday, I'm off.
I don't view it like thatbecause if I wanted to work on
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the podcast or I wanted to workon writing, saturday and Sunday
are those fucking days where Idon't have the rest of life's
obligations to fulfill.
But I might as well hit aworkout on those days too.
Absolutely.
One thing I have noticed is I doa lot of pushups now I've
started the last three monthsmostly because of the time
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constraint with work and stuffand I think people severely
underestimate body weightexercises.
I don't know if it's Instagramor social media in general or
just the industry, but peoplethink I have to get a gym
membership and I have to go tothe gym and I have to do the
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things that other shreddedpeople are saying I need to do.
I don't think so.
I think if you got on aconsistent routine of doing some
fucking pushups, situps andsquats on a weekly basis, you'd
be in so much better shape.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I 100% agree with you .
What people don't realize aboutthe body weight workouts is
that compounds over time.
On this daily routine, I'm onright now of doing 100 pushups
and 100 squats.
My baseline is going to bealmost 37,000 of each every year
.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's huge, when you think about it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's just my baseline.
I mean I'm doing other workoutsand some days I might do two or
three 400 pushups.
While machines and free weightscan be good for building extra
mass, I do think people vastlyundervalue body weight workouts
and what it can do for you.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You don't need to go anywhere.
You're only just doing it onthe fucking floor.
I do it in between points.
I'm playing in a video game ora TV show.
I'm just going to drop down to25 motherfucking pushups.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Last weekend, when I was watching football, every
commercial break I did 10burpees.
Oh shit, I ended up doing 120burpees throughout the course of
the game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
God damn, those are tough though, jesus, those are
tough burpees.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
If you want a good body weight workout, that's also
cardio.
It works everything.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I haven't done that since football.
Yeah, refuse to do that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'll be honest with you, man.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
In order to make my body weight exercises more
interesting, two months ago Ibought a weighted vest.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, 12 pounds.
It had four.
On Amazon it had a four andeight and a 12.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Really.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, I'm a big anime guy.
Okay, growing up I watchedDragon Ball Z.
You've probably heard of DragonBall Z.
In that show it was popularizedlike weighted clothing or
weighted training.
These martial artists wouldwear 50 pounds and then still
fight normally, right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So a very popular thing in the anime community is
looking at that and putting onweighted vest or weighted ankle
weights.
I was going to get the weightedvest to help with running but
after doing some Redditsearching I realized that it's
going to blow my joints out if Iwear a weighted anything and go
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on runs.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I'll really start wearing on your shoulders after
a while.
Yeah, it's that weight hangingon my feet, and it's the knees
too, though, apparently.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I already got bad knees from basketball After
looking into it.
I do wear the weighted vestwhen I just go on walks.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I go on a few two to three mile walks a week and I
just wear the vest and then Icrank out push-ups and squats
with the vest on too.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Okay, yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
That's another way to just adda little bit more power to your
body weight.
Right your sizes.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Exactly, and I don't have to go to the gym for it,
you know.
So it's great.
Also recently got on the saunagrind.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh, I love saunas.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So nice.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
That's honestly.
One of the huge reasons why Iam going back to copper is the
access to the gym, but also thespa.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
In Colorado right.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yes, so like every day, after work, eat a snack, I
go to the gym crank out aworkout and then hot tub, then
steam room, then sauna.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
God damn.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And it's like negative 15 and windy out, and
then it's you've been outsideall day and you're just like
frozen to the bone.
It feels so good to just get ina hot tub, sauna, steam room
and just sit there and breathein the steam or the cedar air.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's so good for you though it is.
Yeah, the sauna is especiallygood for your heart too.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's cardio without moving which is my favorite kind
of cardio.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Dude, I saw some other fucking jagging in the
sauna last week.
What Like?
Literally like fucking jaggingin place and I'm sitting there
like sweating bullets and I'mlike watching him, Like there
were four other dudes in therewith me and we're all watching
him like jogging in place, Likethis man is crazy dude.
He was fucking yoked, he wasshredded.
But I'm like, dude, you won'tsee my ass doing some shit like
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that.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah, honestly, like the sauna, I go in there to
relax, Right Like.
I enjoy the cardio of likeafter you've been in there for a
while and your heart startspumping.
You're sweating bullets andjust like breathing deeply, but
I don't need any additional aswell.
I'm in there.
No, I don't know what that guywas trying to do Existing is
enough cardio for me.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
It's a hard time with that when it's like 105 degrees
or so.
Well, no, it's like 140 inthere.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's like 180.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Fuck.
Yeah, I did start doing that inthe last couple of weeks,
though it just sucks becauseit's a 20 minute drive for me.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, so I have an LA fitness membership.
There's an LA fitness fiveminutes from here, but they
don't have a sauna.
So that's where I go to hoop,but the LA Fitness 20 minutes
from here has a sauna.
So I make it a point I guess anon-negotiable, as you and
Brandon would say at least oncea week I have to go drive there
and sit in the sauna for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Awesome, that's a very good thing to be doing.
If you can do it more than oncea week, that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think the last two weeks I did twice.
So, yeah, it's just, it'sreally out of the way for.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, and if it becomes an inconvenience, I
totally understand that.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And it just sucks because the one I'm closer to is
the one I hoop at, so I got abunch of dudes that show up
there.
We're all in this group that weplay basketball with right.
Yeah, my girlfriend and I wereactually just at a spa yesterday
.
Downtown Chicago is this placecalled RA Baths and it's like
this warehouse that was trickedout to be a spa.
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It's got like six or sevendifferent hot tubs, steam rooms
and shit like that.
One of the hot tubs there hasthe salinity that mimics the
Dead Sea.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh, interesting, yeah , so you can float, in it,
that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, it's badass we actually, we were there.
You pay for either a 45 minute,an hour and a half, oh, and
they have cold plunges there too.
Stationed around, there's acold plunge in the eucalyptus or
peppermint steam room.
I love eucalyptus steam rooms.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it was fucking nice and it's actually in the
steam room, the fucking coldplunge was in there.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
That is genius.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Wow, the hottest hot tub is also next to the coldest
cold plunge there.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That sounds like where I would be.
It's brutal.
It's brutal, Honestly like howcold are we talking?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
30s, 30s, okay, yeah, and then that hot tub is hot as
fuck.
I forgot the temperature.
But I'll tell you what.
I go in the hot tub for likefive minutes, that hot one, and
then I'll go and do 10 seconds.
I'm not a big cold plunge dude,right, I'm not doing the shit
where I'm in there for a coupleminutes, I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh man, you gotta get into that.
I don't know man, I'll workthree minutes to get the
benefits.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I say, oh my god, I'll work up to it at least.
But after doing it for just 10seconds in that cold plunge and
then going into the super hotone, your body like your skin,
you don't feel how hot it is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's a phenomenon called afterdrop, I believe.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it's like numb.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Because your blood when you get into the cold goes
to your core so it can supplyyour organs with blood.
Most of your blood leaves yourextremities and when you get
back into the hot water, all theblood flows back into your
extremities and you get that hotblood flowing through cold
veins and it's just like it wastingly.
Yeah, it can be painful tingly.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, it was a little bit for sure, but it was nice.
I'd say that we paid for anhour and a half long session and
normally it's like a prettyhigh-end spot so that people
come and get you, but no oneever came and got us.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, we actually just ended upleaving because we were just
getting pruney for two hours sowe just left.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You know, I love that .
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I look at my phone and I'm like, holy fuck, we got
an extra half hour out of that.
I was like what?
When there's also a hot tubthat's connected, it's inside,
and then there's a wall and youswim under it and it's outside.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, I've seen those before.
I really like those.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, it was dope, so that was kind of just like our
self-care routine that we tryand do.
It's a little expensive though,so we don't try and do it too
often.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, it definitely gets expensive.
That's honestly a huge reasonwhy I'm going back to copper.
It's included with myemployment there.
Oh god yeah that's nice.
Short walk from where I live.
How long?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
is the season open.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
So I believe we opened last week, November 13th,
and normally the season endsApril 23rd, but last year I
think it was open until May 8th.
It was the longest season in 25years just because the whole
West Coast got hammered withsnow.
Right yeah, so yeah, I'm outthere for five months.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Do you come back to Michigan after though?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So what I did last year after, like at the end of
April, I flew down to Tampa andI spent three and a half weeks
with my aunt and uncle downthere, and then I flew back to
Denver and pretty muchimmediately drove up to Big Sky
and I spent the summer in BigSky, montana Fuck.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, what'd you do up there?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I was working for a private club called Moonlight
Basin and.
I was the valet but didn'tactually do any valet work, so I
was basically the transporterfor members.
So a member needs to be pickedup from the airport, I go grab
them Right.
If they need to get around theresort or into town, I take them
.
So pretty much driving jobs atthese resorts the past couple of
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places I've been.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It's beautiful up there, though I bet.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh, it is incredible.
It's amazing hiking fiveminutes from where I live.
Montana's never a place.
I thought I would go.
I just never really knew muchabout it.
And I found that jobopportunity and I ended up going
there and I fell in love withit.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean like the north, what is that?
Considered Northwest, almostKinda.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I wouldn't say it's quite Northwest.
It is the Northwest, yeah Like.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Montana, north Dakota .
What's another one up there?
Idaho, idaho, washington also.
My parents took us on a lot oftrips with.
My mom loves camping, trailercamping, so glamping.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Glamping yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
She's got a really nice fifth wheel, so we hit a
lot of those states growing up.
But yeah, we haven't been upthere recently.
We go camping quite a bit.
But we go camping in SouthHaven a lot every year.
Okay, yeah, because it's justlike that's a nice area and God,
anytime I can just leaveChicago, I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It is nice to get away from the city, oh yeah, I
won't be buying here.
I won't be purchasing here,I'll tell you that I'm too much
of a nature boy.
I don't really feel that I know.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, same here and it helps a lot with my writing
and just overall well-being too.
You can be having a shitty dayand you just go spend 30 minutes
in nature and you're like, wow,life really isn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, you know, smell some fresh air.
Get some sun on your skin, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
But here in the city it's just like, wow, all I smell
is cement, trash and trucks,yeah, and I'm like, fuck me dude
, I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
And the Midwest winners.
That is what really kills me.
I suffer from seasonaldepression, as many people do,
and in Michigan, when the sun isgone for like two, three weeks
at a time, that's gone.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm so depressed.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And Colorado actually gets the most sun of the entire
nation, even more than Florida.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Really.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
And so it's either a bluebird day or just blue skies
and sunshine, or it's dumpingsnow on us, so it's like the
weather is fantastic, no matterwhich way you spin it.
So you walk out in the middleof January, where it's normally
like dark, and walk out like, ohit's bright, it's beautiful,
I'm feeling good, I got energy.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So you're big on the sunlight thing, right?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Sunlight and the retinas.
Did you get that from Hubermanor is there somebody else who
you got it from?
Liver King is a huge proponentof sunlight on the skin.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm trying to think.
I think there was someone elsein the past.
I think Wim Hof talks aboutthat as well.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I know, I've never heard of him.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Oh, really Wim Hof, so he's known as the Iceman.
Oh, ok, he was really I thinkwhat brought?
He brought cold plunging to myattention.
My dad introduced me to Wim Hoflike three years ago or so and
he holds all of these worldrecords where he can sit in an
ice bath for 15 hours and notchange his core body temperature
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.
So he's participated in a lotof research that previously was
thought like.
We cannot control ourautonomous I don't know if I'm
saying that correctly autonomousnervous system.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, like homeostasis regulation.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, Things that are performed to keep our body in
homeostasis like you said it wasthought that we could not
influence that.
He proved that we can influenceit, that you can actually
stimulate the flow of adrenalinethrough your body to keep
yourself warm when you get inthose extreme cold conditions.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
He's been doing that for years, though.
Right, yeah, he's been trainingalmost.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He climbed Mount Everest in shorts.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No shirt, those guys fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, he is, and I love when people call me crazy.
I've been into cold plungingever since I found out about it
and have gotten progressivelybetter at it, and I'll tell you
the benefits from it areincredible.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
But what do you see is the benefits?
What do you get from it thatyou didn't see before?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Well, the immediate benefit that you get is the
dopamine rush.
I mean cold plunging is rarelya pleasant experience If it's in
water that's not super cold,like when I was up visiting
Brandon in October in Sutton'sBay.
I was jumping in the lake andit was cold but it was like
bearable.
I was sitting in there enjoyingit.
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But if I'm jumping in theOsable River in January where
the water is 33 degrees and it'smoving, that's like okay.
I got to seriously prepare forthis because it can be very
dangerous if you don't know whatyou're doing.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Right Now.
Let's say, you can actuallyhave a panic attack too, like
you're almost fight or flight,if you're not mentally prepared
for something like that.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, and if your breathing gets away from you?
And you start unconsciouslyshivering that's when the
hypothermia can set in.
But if you keep your breathingunder control and you take those
long, deep breaths and focus ongenerating warmth throughout
your body, it works.
I mean, I've done three minutesin a 33 degree river and when
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you're in moving water it ismore difficult because you don't
get that thermal layer thatbuilds around your body when
you're in still water.
So that's the intense coldplunging I've done.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
So the dopamine is just kind of like almost like
the adrenaline of the momentright Shortly after.
Are there any long termpositive effects?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
for cold plunging.
It's very good for yourcardiovascular system and your
immune system, similar to howsaunas work.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Both of those systems are positively influenced by
that, especially if you're goinghot to cold, cold to hot.
I've heard varying things ofyou're supposed to do cold first
or you're supposed to do hotfirst or it doesn't matter.
So I can't speak on thatspecifically, but I know that's
big in Scandinavian countrieswhere saunas are very popular up
(41:24):
there.
So we'll go in the sauna, do acold plunge, go back in the
sauna.
I've always enjoyed the backand forth and it's about
building anti-fragility, likemaking your body less fragile to
shocks.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Doing uncomfortable things.
Yeah, doing uncomfortablethings.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
If you're not doing it for any other benefits, do it
to get uncomfortable.
That's how I feel about theliver too.
Like yeah, it has all of thesebenefits to eating it, but it's
a disgusting piece of raw meatand you got to make yourself.
Do it, like, get uncomfortable.
Do something that you don'twant to do to build that
anti-fragility up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Do you think we're too comfortable here in America?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Oh, absolutely.
Our whole lives are builtaround comfort.
I mean just finally breakingout of this comfort zone of
getting sober.
I mean, alcohol was my comfortzone.
I always knew I had that thingto go back, to fall back on, not
think too much.
Not feel too much, right, right, right.
(42:24):
I mean, you know, with all ofthe streaming subscriptions,
people love to just burythemselves in watching
television.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Right Everything they could want food and item-wise
is ordered right to yourdoorstep.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yep, you don't have to leave your house.
Social media is crazy, I mean,it can be such a useful tool,
but also such a harmful vice.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Oh God, it's dangerous.
I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I, even if I have too much free time, I get addicted
to Instagram.
I'm just like scrolling,scrolling.
It's the reels man.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
The reels get me.
Yeah, they get you.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But I have recently started consciously curating
what I do on Instagram and I'vebeen starting to produce content
instead of consume content.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Right, there you go.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
And so that's what I'm doing with that new
Instagram I dropped last week.
I'm just showing my story,showing what I do on a daily
basis to be healthy and well,and I hope to build a following
with that and inspire as manypeople as I can to do the same.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Hell yeah, I'm going to drop links for that too.
Yeah, I would appreciate that,yeah absolutely It'll be in the
link, for you know it's up onSpotify, apple Podcast, google
Podcast and stuff.
So if people click in thedescription, then your handle
will come up.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Right on yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I still got to get around to doing some shit like
that.
I don't like putting outcontent, I don't either.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
It's so uncomfortable .
I hate it and, as a libertarian, like I'm a very private person
, like if I could just disappearoff social media and be off the
grid, I would Right, but I'vecome to the point in my life
where I think social media isultimately your resume to the
world.
Yeah, and some people havereally highly sought after
(44:09):
skills that they can use toprovide for themselves.
They don't need to be on socialmedia, but unfortunately I
graduated from university anddon't really have any marketable
skills besides spending 10years in the service industry,
bar attending and I don't wantto.
I don't want to go back to that.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
No.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
That being in that environment I don't think is
going to be healthy for me.
Oh God no, so I have a passionfor health and wellness, so I'm
trying to share that with theworld.
Nice Getting out of my comfortzone posting myself on Instagram
.
It still feels very weirdtalking to the camera.
I know I'm not about it really,and even like this is my first
(44:47):
podcast, I'm not used to doingthis kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You've been great with this, though.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Well, thank you yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I tend to like doing this more than talking to my
phone, though, you know, becausethis feels like a more
authentic conversation than meLike yeah, we're just sitting
here talking to each other.
Right, Instead of like metalking to my phone.
Oh, I got to do a retake.
Oh, I got to take a picture ofmyself.
I got to take a picture of this.
You know, like people need toknow what we're doing with our
lives, which is I don't liketaking a moment to like show
(45:19):
people my life, because I likejust being in the moment.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yes, and that is hard to find that balance too.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
It is.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
And eventually I know .
Something Brandon has beentalking about is outsourcing
social media production.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah to somebody else yeah, that's the goal.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Here's all this content.
Do something, build a reel forme, put out like post content
every day.
Right Because what I'mrealizing.
It does take a lot of time.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Dropped my morning routine reel yesterday morning
and just I filmed it all andthen just putting it all
together, trying to sync it up,make it look like somewhat
professional.
It takes a lot of time.
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
And it's a pain in the ass yeah.
That's why I actually, you know, like with these cameras and
everything, I've been trying toget to a more professional place
with that.
You know, I know I got to startgetting up on that content
other than this content, youknow, I'd rather just be an
author and a podcast host.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
But the world doesn't want that anymore.
The world wants a face thatthey can put to those things and
accomplishments and thoseskills.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
The world wants to hear your story.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
They do, yeah, but they also want to see what's
happening around the story, likehow does he wake up, what does
he do when he wakes up?
You know, what are his favoritethings to watch on TV, what are
his favorite things to eat,what are his favorite workouts
to do?
You know, if I do a sobrietyand wellness podcast, people
need to know about it.
You know, absolutely.
So I'm slowly coming to termswith that, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
You can also use social media to get a feel for
what people want to see.
Right, I've been doing thatlike, hey, what have you enjoyed
for my content so far?
And I don't get a ton offeedback.
But the feedback I do get, Iuse that like okay, people want
to see the meals I'm eating.
People want to see the workoutsI'm doing.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
People want to just see inspirational, motivational
messages.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So Right, I think I'm in the same genre too.
I just got to fucking do it,you know.
But yeah, like the podcast,audio, the video, the, and then
still writing like it's, it getsto be a lot, and social media
has fallen down on my, myhierarchy, I should say, you
know.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, and that's totally understandable, right.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
But you know, doing uncomfortable things is how we
grow, though, right?
100% Fuck, yeah, yeah, I'll getaround to that.
But so you got anything.
Got anything else?
What are you thinking?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
So you like anime and .
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I don't like anime.
I do like anime, I do, I loveanime actually.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
So I was laughing listening to the last podcast
where you and Brandon weretalking shit about my dislike
for you.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
That was him, though.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
First of all he got me going on it, though, and I
was like, okay, maybe this willbe a good opportunity to talk
about why I don't like it.
Or do you even just think aboutit, because it's something I've
talked shit about for a while?
What do you not like about it?
I think it really boils down tothe way that it's animated.
Okay, like the choppiness ofthe animation, right.
(48:24):
It just triggers something inmy mind that I really don't like
it.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Do you view it as like cartoony?
Is that why?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I wouldn't say that because I enjoy other cartoons
like Rick and Morty.
I love the way that's animated.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, like adult animation, adult comedy
animation yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
And like even I was really big into the Pokemon
video games when I was a kid andthe trading cards, but I could
never watch the show.
It bothered me too much yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
I was.
Yeah, I watched the show alittle bit.
I'm a huge Pokemon fan by theway too.
You have really big on thatshit.
You know, yeah, the anime waslike like the games and the
cards were where it was at.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
I love those 16-bit games.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Oh, I love that shit.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Oh yeah, and you got that new.
What's it called?
It's the analog pocket Analogpocket.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
That thing looks awesome.
Yo, it's sexy.
When I was unboxing it too,like my girlfriend's sitting
there and I took the box off andlike, oh it's so sexy.
She goes are you okay.
I'm like, yeah, wish I wouldhave had this 20 years ago.
I know, dude, it's literallylike you can put in Game Boy
Color and Game Boy Advance gamesand it's HD.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
That's so wild it's so crisp it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I actually had to like go through a process of
like cleaning all the games outprofessionally, like undoing the
cartridges, cleaning all thepens.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, I saw you were doing like some soldering work.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, I was doing some soldering work with like
the batteries and the Pokemongames.
I went like super deep in thathole.
Yeah, I couldn't get into thePokemon anime at all, but Well
yeah, for me it's like anoverarching all anime.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It's the way that the choppy animation does something
in my brain.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
My autistic self just does not like it.
And a lot of my friends are inanime, like I'm one of the few
people that I can think of.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
that doesn't like anime, right, it's just one of
those things.
Well, you like.
You like Rick and Morty.
Do you like when those like theaction scenes in Rick and Morty
, when they just get super outof hand, there's explosions,
things flying all over the place.
Yeah, that animation lookscrisp, though, right.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
It does for sure.
Yeah, I think it's like therepeat, like in an anime, like a
running scene, like they repeattwo frames, like back and over.
Yeah and it's like that.
I think that's the big reason.
After thinking about it, Idon't think there's any
underlying reason why I dislikeit, besides the animation.
What it does to my brain, right.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
I would say that depending on the anime you're
watching.
So if you're watching thingslike Pokemon or even Dragon Ball
Z or like the extremely popularones, those studios have to
pump out episodes on like aweekly basis.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
It's almost like South Park, you know?
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
You know so they're.
They're reusing frames andclips and shit like that.
You know the higher end anime,though, like where they're
dropping hundreds of thousandsof dollars on episodes and they
get years to like produce it,like the animation is totally
crispy.
You know they're not reusingthe same shit like that.
Okay, yeah, I don't watch anime, for I mean, it's aesthetically
(51:34):
pleasing to me because, well, Idon't watch any of the choppy
ones.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
You know that was like growing up I would watch
Dragon Ball Z.
Maybe I would put that in thatcategory too.
A lot of people watch otherpopular ones like that.
But the stuff I watch now isdefinitely animated better.
But most of the reason I watchit is for like the philosophy
behind it, like the story, thecharacter development, like the
(51:59):
super fucked up shit, almostlike with like Attack on Titan.
There's so many underlyingthemes and there's PTSD, there's
war crimes, there's likecharacter development, there's
anti-heroes.
There's so many fucking thingsgoing on that.
There's so many things thatAmerican television won't touch
on, you know.
So when I started watchingthese shows, I'm like a little
(52:23):
I'm sitting there, I'm likerocked that they even like said
some shit like that you know,because I hadn't seen that in
American television.
Like over in Japan they don'tgive a fuck.
Really, they're fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Quite a different perspective Right.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I mean, after World War II they just they couldn't
have an army.
So they're like oh, we're justgoing to dump all of our money
into technology and art, youknow, and then you have what you
have today.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
So would you look at that?
Speaker 1 (52:51):
like wellness or like doing the impossible, chasing
your dreams, and stuff like that, overcoming hardships and stuff
like.
A Lot of the characters thatI've watched have inspired me in
one way or another to chase mydreams, which is the main reason
why I watch them all.
Okay, yeah, I love that.
Yeah, so it's definitely like amore deeper meaning.
(53:12):
It's not just like fight scenesand shit like that.
You know, um, yes, I think likethere's that picture right
there, my, my sister, hand madethat really yeah, she did that
for my two-year sobriety markyeah that's awesome.
Yeah, she picked out.
She asked me one day she goeslike what are your ten favorite
Animates or ten favoritecharacters?
(53:32):
And I I told her and I'm likeoh, why.
And she goes, oh, I was havinga conversation with my friends
about it, you know, and playedit off like whatever.
And then she handed me that onmy two-year sobriety mark and
it's like my favorite charactersand they all have a quote at
the bottom of it.
So I'm just really big on thatshit.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Okay, I respect that.
I think that's really importantwhat you feed your mind.
If you're feeding it positiveMessages from TV that you watch.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, not reality TV or some yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Well, even for a long time, my favorite shows, the
protagonists.
I get so identified with them.
Yeah, and like I'm watching MadMen, don Draper fucking
alcoholic I'm watching hell onwheels, cullen Bohan and
alcoholic.
I'm watching all of these showswhere the protagonist is just
glorifying alcoholism and right.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Rick and Morty.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, rick and Morty yeah it's like one of those
things, and I'm I became veryaware of that, so now I have to
like be careful what I watch, orhow much I watch.
Right, like always, sunny inPhiladelphia Love that show but,
I, can't watch too much of itbecause, it's just degeneracy.
Trailer Park Boys Yep, yep,same shit.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, I can't say I don't want like family guys.
Probably one of my favoritelike adult Animation shows like.
Rick and Morty in South Park.
You know, and I'll love thoseshows forever.
You know I won't stop lovingthem.
But there's like a certainthreshold of like, after you're
done watching, you're likealright, my brain feels kind of
kaputz, right now yeah, wasn'tdoing really much thinking.
(55:06):
You know, and, like you know,peterson alcoholic, like the
glorification of alcoholism as ajoke is seen in media all over
the place.
You know, and, yeah, I try notto vibe with those protagonists
anymore at this point.
Yeah, so I actually have tostill watch the new Rick and
(55:26):
Morty season, but it's airingright now.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Oh yeah, I have not seen any of season seven season
seven.
I just finished catching up onseason six.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I did the same thing, which.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
I thought was pretty good.
I thought season five was alittle iffy.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, I mean the newer seat.
You know, it's not the first,the first three seasons.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, well, and I think I heard of Justin Roiland.
I'm not sure when exactly thathappened.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
So for this new season.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Okay, so season season six, yeah, season seven.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, you can tell a difference, but it's not Not
noticeable.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah so many people that can imitate those voice,
act those voices back in like2017, when I was watching Five
hours of Rick and Morty everyday.
I my Rick impression was right,yeah.
Yeah, it's not quite so goodanymore, morty, but he used to
be really good.
I'm just a washed up voiceimpressionist now.
Oh geez, rick, I don't knowabout this.
Another thing I respect aboutBrandon he can do so many voices
(56:24):
.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, oh, this makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
He's a character though for sure yes.
Brandon hasn't, like, watched alot of anime either, though
he's watched, he will.
He's watched a couple of them,but, yeah, he definitely wanted
to give you shit for that.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
So I appreciate that I.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Think that this is.
I think we did a good job onthis episode.
Do you have anything that youwould like to say to my
listeners, anythinginspirational, or how do you
think people can overcome theirmisconceptions about themselves
to live a healthier life?
Speaker 2 (57:06):
well, what I will say is everybody's on their own
journey and Everybody takes adifferent amount of time to to
grow and evolve, and some peoplenever get to that point, and I
guess what I would like to sayis I'm doing my best to inspire
(57:30):
as many people as possible,especially the people that Might
not have ever evolved on theirown, that I can be like the
shining light that helped themsee their potential.
So I Guess I'm gonna keepputting out as high of quality
content as I can.
I'd really appreciate ifanybody's interested, if they
(57:52):
want to follow my wellnessjourney, you can follow at my
Instagram.
But uh, yeah, I'll leave it atthat.
I'm always open to feedback.
You want to see me do somecrazy shit?
I'll take it into account andI'll do it and I'll film it, oh
yeah.
So yeah, I felt very free heretoday, so feel so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
John.
Absolutely, this was a damngood conversation.
Really appreciate you coming by.
Don't forget to follow him onInstagram for his wellness
journey.
I'm gonna be dropping links inthe description.
Appreciate everybody coming outtoday, so stay up and feel free
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