Joe Lomnicki: Holistic Health, Exercise, and Personal Growth

My brother Joe returns to the podcast to have a conversation about fitness and nutrition. We give our perspectives on how to start eating better and also how to start good routines and habits with physical activity. We also talk about injuries and how to stay mentally tough and adaptable during rough times in life. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
yeah, actually when edgar was on the episode, we
were talking that we only seethe w's on social media.
Yeah, we only see like peoplewith six packs or like physical
fitness or like maybe you seelike a little reel or a video of
them doing a few reps at amachine, right, but like to
actually like grind on diet andexercise is it's pretty much

(00:31):
like seven days a week.
Like, granted what you weresaying in the 80, 20 rule, it's
like 80% of the time you can eatgood.
And then the other 20%, youcould just say fuck it.
You know, and I think that'sthe same with like working out
too.
I mean you can work out likefive days a week and be off the
other two.
You know, I think most of thepeople that voted on the

(00:55):
Instagram post I did when Iasked about topics and episodes.
They asked for diet andexercise and I feel like they
were looking for not like us tolay out a fucking plan for them.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Right, you know, we're not personal trainers or
nutritionists or shit like thatwe're not certified, yeah, no,
but we Just to like, kind oflike share some knowledge,
spread some tips of just whatthat journey has looked like for
us, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right, right, Okay, I mean I can't say that I'm
perfect.
You know, there's some weeksthat I only really work out
twice a week, right, whether I'mjust, you know, feeling down or
whatnot, I still deal with likemental health issues and shit
like that.
But then the following weekI'll hit it five, six days a

(01:42):
week.
You know, as long as you, aslong as you can.
If you have an off week, that'sfine, right, get back to it the
next week.
Yeah, uh, with the eating thing, what I would like to tell any
of the listeners, like I thinkpeople really under value how
important it is to not eat twohours before you go to bed.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, absolutely, because when you like slam food,
whatever it is, and then youpass out, like your body is
using the sleep in order torepair the brain, right, that's
been working all day, not onlythe brain, but it's like if you,
let's just say, you had a hardworkout that day, hit the gym
hard, maybe you walked on thetreadmill to incline, you know

(02:25):
you, you you did some goodactivity that day.
Your body needs that sleep torecover, right.
So it's like, I think, intoday's world that we live in,
it's like, man, you got TVseverywhere with screens on them,
with food commercials up thewazoo.
It's the worst shit ever,especially if you watch like
cable TV.
And it's like, okay, you know,it's 10, 11 PM, I'm winding down

(02:49):
, man, but I'm a little bithungry, like I could, I could,
eat a little bit and then you,you know, dip into the pantry
and get a snack and it's like,all of a sudden, like as you go
to bed, your body's spending thetime digesting the food while
you're sleeping, versus, like,the repairs and the recovery it
needs, right, like that brainfunction, like you said, the
muscle recovery just all thoselike daily, like rep, like

(03:12):
repairs that it needs to doduring sleep is halted because,
like it's digesting food thatyou just put slam down right for
bed right.
So, yeah, I would say that'ssuch a huge thing is try, try to
at least like not eat likethree hours before bed is what a
lot of doctors recommend.
Okay, that makes sense we were.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Just we were joking the other day because eric's
like you can't tell me thatslamming a big bowl of pasta and
then passing the fuck outdoesn't feel great and I'm like
yeah it does feel great yeah,but uh, just get that massive
glucose spike and you're like,all right, now I'm sleeping yeah
, but then you know you don'twake up to the best

Speaker 2 (03:52):
yeah, oh yeah, you're gonna feel a little drowsy and
and not a hundred percent forsure but but yeah, no, I would
say like when.
When you said the listenerswant to talk about, just like
fitness, nutrition, right.
It's like I think the biggeststarting point for that
conversation is like everybody'sgoing to be at a different
point in their life and adifferent journey and a

(04:14):
different like they're gonnahave different goals and
aspirations, right?
So it's like you might just bejust starting off with your
fitness journey or nutritionjourney.
You really want to make thesechanges.
You might be somebody who's alittle more experienced, who has
built in routines and habitsand stuff like that, right.
But I think the biggest thingto understand is, wherever you
are at in your journey, it'slike you need to understand what

(04:34):
your goals and what you'retrying to achieve is Right,
because if you don't havesomething to attach to it, it's
really hard to consistentlydevelop like good, strong,
foundational habits and routinesif you don't have like
something that you're strivingfor, right.
Maybe it's like I just want tohave a six pack and look really
good because it's going to helpwith my self image, like cool.

(04:57):
If that's what you want, go forit right.
Maybe.
It's like you know what, when Ifirst started working out, I
loved the way that I feltmentally.
My energy levels were great,all my relationships with
everybody.
I just had like this, like glowabout me, right, that's what I
want out of my journey.
And it's like, cool, go getthat right.
So it's like I think that's forme one of the most important

(05:17):
things that I've done to, like,you know, really change my life
around.
It's like, okay, I want to belike a really dope, good ass
runner and I love the way itmakes me feel like I've
literally turned my whole lifearound from it.
So it's like, okay, I'm goingto strive to be the best runner
that I could be and you know I'mgoing to, you know, put the
work in each and every day to,like you know, get there.

(05:38):
So, just starting off like that, you've got to have a goal, you
have to have aspirations,something like that you can
objectify.
To like, like tangibly see inyour mind to get to like, pull
you there.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Right.
I think it's important to havethat visualization and goal and
stick to it, but also learn whenyou need to change it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Absolutely.
You got to be able to pivot andyou know, I think, that nothing
should be like totally concreteand set in stone, like like we
look at, like everything movesso fast today and you know, all
these big companies, they don'tjust like plan years out and
then, like we have to stick tothis product that we're
releasing, like this is this iswhat we're doing Right, and it's
like, oh, we found out some newinformation.

(06:21):
This is what the users want.
Some new information, this iswhat the users want.
Like let's change course, justlike your dreams and aspirations
.
Like you've got to be able tolike assess at different points
along the way and you've got tobe able to pivot and change
course, like depending on whatthe circumstances are, or just
like the information that's, youknow, newly presented to you
and whatever, that is Right.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think it's important to note that for a
long time, my fitnessvisualization was totally and
only reliant on I want to be abetter basketball player, right
yeah.
But I didn't take thatvisualization seriously because
in the last three years,whenever I would get hurt, I
would completely stop everything, right, I would stop going to

(07:01):
the gym.
I'm like I can't do shit, right, and I don't work out for two
months, right yeah.
I just learned a month ago,when I got hurt though, that
okay, I just can't do cardio orI can't run and I can't do calf
raises.
I can literally do any otherworkout, right, honestly, yeah.
Um, like, obviously the firstfew days, like, I can't do the

(07:22):
leg press, you know, just incase I bend down too far, I
could still do chest, I couldstill do arms, I could still
ride a stationary bike and Istayed in relatively good shape.
A month ago when I hurt myankle and, you know, I was back
at it again and then I, you know, hurt myself four days ago.
No-transcript, consistent withworking out and being physically

(08:08):
active affects every otheraspect of my life.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I was.
I mean, I totally resonate andfeel that I was listening to a
podcast the other day and thisthis doctor was on and she asked
the host of of the podcast.
She's like so what do you thinkis um more important?
Or what do you think like?
Would you try and like um focuson first?

(08:32):
Would you focus on like yourmental, like health and your
mind, or would you focus on likethe physical body and like
physical, like strength and this, that and other right, and he's
like 100 like the physicalaspect.
You know like we have a massivemental health problem in this
country even.
You know worldwide right,especially you know um post.

(08:55):
You know covid pandemic andit's really hard to fix mental
problems and like mental illnessby just like sitting stationary
and just talking about it andletting your mind wander.
And just like you know liketherapy is great and all and
there's definitely uses for it,but it's like the mind body

(09:15):
connection is so powerful and ifyou cannot physically like
build yourself up, the mentalside of it is just going to eat
away at you.
It's so hard to heal the mindwhen the body is just stationary
and not moving.
You know I'm a huge proponent tolike exercise, movement.
Just get yourself moving everyday a little bit right, and I'm

(09:37):
telling you like it'll fuel themind, like it's no one's
business.
You'll feel this mental clarityand this just like sharpness
come about you when you get intoa consistent habit of
physically building up your bodyand just a little bit of
movement every day.
So I thought that was a reallycool thing on the podcast and I
forgot exactly how it went theback and forth, but you know,

(09:58):
eventually they kind of came toan understanding.
Like you know what I thinkyou're right, I would definitely
start with the physical side ofthings.
Like you know what I thinkyou're right, I would definitely
start with the physical side ofthings, building that up in the
mental.
What you find in the mentaljourney then is wow, I've
actually built up like habitsand I've actually created
discipline in my life throughbuilding up my physical body and
all of a sudden, those mentalthings that I was struggling

(10:19):
with seemed like second fiddleto like this newfound power that
I have where I have createdlike consistency and discipline
in my life, right?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I mean it's not like completely undermining,
like therapy or like right,absolutely, yeah, cause there is
use for that and it'sdefinitely very much needed.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think, like you said, like sitting and talking
about things is is one thing,but when you look at the state
of the country in general, likea lot of people struggle with
diet and exercise and I'm not, Idon't even like using the word
diet anymore it's like people,we have an issue with the food
and substances we consume andhow often we're getting active,

(11:00):
right.
So we've talked about how thisjourney has affected us and what
it means to us, and I know thatthere are people out there who
are like okay, well, where do Istart?
Right, and I think, like yousaid, the first thing to do is
to visualize like what do youwant out of this?
Right?
Are you doing this because youwant to feel better?

(11:20):
Yeah, are you doing thisbecause you want to look better?
Are you?
Are you tired of not having anyenergy?
Are you?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
tired of motivation, lack of just like right
discipline in your life.
You just feel like you're goingthrough the motions or you just
feel like almost like this fogover your head where it's like
man.
Every day just seems like astruggle for me to get through
and I don't have, I'm low energy, I have know all these like
underlying issues that justcan't seem to be resolved you

(11:49):
know, and it's like okay, likethat's, that's what you're
striving to fix through exerciseand and um, in the, the
lifestyle that you're going tolike undertake Right, and a lot
of it starts with the food thatthat you're putting into your
body.
I know, know, you know, for meit was like I used to eat a
shitload of fast food, Like I'mtalking probably like four days

(12:12):
a week, you know.
And growing up, like you know,it was like we would eat like it
was no one's business.
I remember, like it just didn'tfeel right to me.
You know, I'm like this 13 yearold boy, I'm like fuck this,
just like something's off withthis stuff.
Man, like my body should not betaking this in.
And I remember in like seventhgrade, I'm like all right, I'm

(12:33):
gonna like go like a full yearwithout fast food.
Everyone thought I was fuckingcrazy, right, you know.
And I'm just like it justdoesn't.
It's not sitting right with me,you know.
And just from that young age,like wow, I can't believe, like
the clear mind, the clarity Ihave just from cutting that shit
out, you know.
And um, soda too.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
And soda, cut soda out and um fast food, you know,
like the age of like 13 orsomething like that.
And, yeah, it was amazing, justlike the transformation I felt,
you know.
So, um, when it comes to likeactual, like the nutrition and
the fuel that we feed our bodieswith, it's like there's just so
much research being poured intoit nowadays because of like all

(13:16):
this processed garbage that youknow a lot of our society's
eating and just like this cakedup stuff where it's all
disguised as, yeah, just, youknow, put this in your body Like
marketing is just like flooding.
You know the food industry withall these like terrible,
terrible things for the humanbody.
And I think one of the biggestthings that is really starting

(13:39):
to come to light is just thenegative connotation that seed
oils are starting to get rightand it's like there's so many
direct links and correlations to, like heart disease and obesity
, you know, based on these seedoils.
You know all the canola oils,the vegetable oils, like all
this stuff, right, and you seeit in just like a lot of stuff

(14:00):
on the shelves.
Right, I was looking at thisKraft Mayo like by Kraft.
The company has like a jar ofmayonnaise on the shelf.
Right, I was looking at this,um, craft mayo like by craft.
The company is like a jar ofmayo mayonnaise on the shelf the
other day and it's uh, madewith like olive oil right on the
front.
It's like, oh, perfect.
You look at the back and it'sgot all these seed oils on it.
Like, uh, first threeingredients are like soybean oil

(14:20):
, canola oil, vegetable oil.
It's like like so you couldjust slap this olive oil logo on
it.
But then it's made with allthis shit.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
All the other oil.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, pretty crazy when, when you actually look at
like all of like the nasty stuffout there and like what's like
actually fueling most of ourbodies in modern society and
it's like man, we're just likerunning on complete empty Right

(14:49):
and like outside and we can getback to like the physical aspect
of things and like you know theexercise, but fuel that we're
fueling our bodies with is justlike one of the most just like
disgusting things in all ofhuman history.
I think we're at a point whereit's just like this is like
grotesque what's what's actuallyout there and and what most
people are actually eating.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
You know what's odd?
I don't think I've mentionedthis on this podcast, people
have mentioned it on theirpodcast, but if you look back
throughout time, you see thatthere's always a difference
between, like, the upper rulingclass, or those with money, and
then those without money andresources.
Right, and for all of time, itwas always that the larger

(15:28):
humans were the richer ones.
Right, cause they had more food, they had more resources Right,
and then the ones who were pooror had less money and resources
and they were skinnier right,they just didn't have a lot of
food or money.
Right, it's kind of flipped now.
Right, because now the wealthyhave the money and the resources

(15:53):
and the time in order to eathealthier.
Yeah, and they have moreinformation about the food
that's out there, right, right.
And those with less arepurchasing on just convenience
sake.
It's fast, it's here, it tastesgood, it's cheap.
It's cheap, right, exactly so Ithink that's kind of like
piggybacking on your whole, likeit's one of the most disgusting

(16:16):
things in human history is thefood nowadays, and I agree with
that, you know, and I you know II'm not perfect.
Like I said you know, I'll stillgo and eat like Mexican food or
like I like a beef sandwich.
You know you eat pizzasometimes, right, but that that
whole 80, 20 rule is reallyimportant, like most of the time
, if you're feeling snacky andyou want like something sweet,

(16:37):
just eat fruit, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Like people want to eat like chips, cookies and cake
, and it's like all this likeultra processed garbage, where
it's like, um, in the moment,moment, it's gonna like have
this insane dopamine rush, likeholy shit, this is the best food
I've ever had.
Like the taste is, like youknow, godlike.
And then it's like but what didit actually do to like nourish

(17:03):
my body?
Like absolutely nothing, right.
Right.
Like literally like you'regonna feel worse than you did
before in about like an hour anda half, two hours.
So it's like in in.
It's weird because it's like abalance where it's like, okay,
so like, how strict do I want tobe?
Um, because then some peoplelook at it and they're like, oh
my gosh, like I'm scared toactually like venture into, like

(17:26):
changing the lifestyle and thefood that I intake, because I
can't do zero to a hundred, Ican't just like cut all this
stuff out that gives me joy andpleasure, because sugar is one
of the most addictive chemicalson the earth, right?
So it's like I'm just not goingto make any changes because I
can't do that and I don't wantto give that stuff up.
And it's like I think thatthere's got to be a balance

(17:47):
that's created and it's likethere has to be a starting point
, right?
Like you know I'm somebody whopersonally likes to do zero to
100 things.
Like, if you give, provide melike new information or you
provide me a different way ofdoing things, and that I'm
currently doing it and it makessense to me, then I'm just going
to change course and absolutelygo all in to do that.

(18:08):
I don't need to like thisbuffer point or I don't need to
like kind of be half in, halfout on something.
It's like, yeah, zero to ahundred for me, but a lot of
people aren't like that.
So it's like, what I wouldsuggest is just like make small
changes.
You know like okay, how can Ilike make one small change today
to like what I'm eating andincorporate that?

(18:28):
You know moving forward too.
So it's like okay.
So instead of like having maybea peanut butter and jelly
sandwich which has a lot of, youknow, processed sugars, refined
carbs in it from the bread andall that, it's like maybe I
could have like some grilledchicken or something like that.
Right, for me personally, it'salways beef, all beef, like I
think it's just pound for pound,the best.
Me personally, it's always beef, all beef, like I think it's

(18:50):
just pound for pound, the best,but it's like some type of good
protein source, whether it's,you know, chicken, beef, some
type of fish.
Maybe you could even do um andmake that change, right?
Um, so it's like that's.
That's what I would say is like,okay, maybe you're not gonna
like do it all and go all in andcompletely like revolutionize
and change you know, yourlifestyle, the food you eat, but

(19:13):
even if it's like one smallchange and add that and then
make another small change andthen start to like really do
your own research and do yourdue diligence and like what's
the most beneficial thing for me, right?
A lot of people don't getenough protein in their diet on
a daily basis.
Protein is such an importantmacro that, like you know, you

(19:33):
should be getting at least yourbody weight in grams per day of
protein.
And I would say I don't knowwhat the like stats are, but man
, I would say like probably morethan like 60, 70% of Americans
don't get that.
It's like if you weigh 200pounds, like 200 grams of
protein is pretty tough to get.
If you're eating a lot of justprocessed food.
If you're eating fast food,like once a day, and you're

(19:54):
eating just like a bunch of likeyou know refined carbs, like
there's no way you're gettinganywhere close to 200 grams of
protein, right.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
And that's when your muscles don't have the required
nutrients in order to buildthemselves.
So I think I think findingrequired nutrients in order to
build themselves.
Yeah, so I think I thinkfinding, like you said, small
changes to stick to, like maybejust start eating a little more
fruit each week and changing outsome of the the sweet snacks
that you fill your cupboard yeah, stuff with more just, whole,
natural foods, right.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
That's like the biggest change is like if you
could just cut out a lot like ofprocessed food.
And it's like, okay, is thislike food found in its natural
state, how it is?
No, it's not okay, probablyshouldn't be eating it then,
right.
And it's like once you startlike taking stock of that, then
it's like, oh, wow, it'sactually really easy to like.
Really make it a quick change.

(20:45):
All of a sudden I'm eating alot of fruits and I'm not a big
vegetable person, but vegetables, right, salad like, lettuce
stuff, like that Like not my cupof tea, but hey, if that's what
you like, go for it, right.
Maybe just don't do anydressing on it, like put some
lemon juice, um, you know.
So it's like, okay, lessprocessed food, more whole
natural food.

(21:05):
Make that switch and likeinstant change in your life,
your whole mindset, and justlike the way your body feels on
a day to day basis.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Right.
So prioritizing more wholefoods, less processed foods,
that's one thing.
Second thing I want to say andthis is crazy, because mom looks
at me like I'm fucking crazywhen I say that so does dad and
uncle, danny, and stuff and it'slike you could just like fast a
little bit, like when you starttelling people you don't always

(21:35):
have to snack, like you weresaying earlier in the episode,
like there's literallycommercials about food
everywhere.
Right, they're trying to makeus feel hungry all the time.
Yeah, if, if, you're not gonnamake a whole bunch of zero to
100 changes like we do, becauseI'm an addict.
You had a problem with drinkingthe zero to 100.
Lifestyle definitely lives morein addicts than normal people,

(21:57):
right?
Right?
If you're going to make onechange, I think it would just be
to look at yourself from thethird person.
When you're feeling hungry, tryand curb your appetite.
Try and almost tell yourselfthat you're not hungry.
Try and curb your appetite.
Try and almost tell yourselfthat you're not always hungry
all the time.
Right, because, people, we wakeup and we're like in survival

(22:18):
mode as humans.
Like we got to eat.
Yeah, you know, but the problemis like they're literally
telling us to eat all thefucking time.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, like even two hours after, like a really big
meal you see something like yeah, I could go for some of that,
I'll snack on that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, I'll snack a little bit on that.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, I would say the biggest thing is like okay,
just understanding what itactually is that's making you
hungry, right, it's these ads,it's the TV, it's just like
boredom a lot of the time, right, and it's like, okay, all it is

(22:53):
is like a chemical response inyour body to like tell your mind
it's time to eat.
So it's like and I've done a lotof like fasting over the past,
probably what three years nowand I've kind of like went away
from it just because I don'treally need to fast too much
anymore, especially with likerunning a lot.
I just like need a good amountof food and nutrition in me.
But when I did do a lot offasting it was like okay, um,

(23:16):
typically those urges and thosesensations will last anywhere
from like 10 to 20 minutes,maybe even less, sometimes maybe
like five minutes, right, andit's like when you can actually
sit down and feel comfortablewith yourself and like really
like work through the emotion,work through that chemical
response that's happening inyour body that's making you
hungry, and understand thatyou're really not actually that

(23:36):
hungry.
It's just a natural responsethat the body's making because
there's some type of stimulationthat's eliciting it, whether
it's like some type of marketingor ad, right.
So once you can actuallyinternalize that and like come
to an understanding of, okay,I'm actually not hungry, like
this is insane, I just atefucking two hours ago, um, then

(24:02):
uh, you can work through thatand it becomes a lot easier to
fight those urges and andactually not eat.
So you know, just understandingit for what it is right it does
.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
It does take some training, though, too absolutely
, because I mean had to do thesame thing.
We're getting off of nicotine.
It's like every five, it's likefive minutes.
I'd have an urge to smoke,right, the urge would last like
five minutes and I'm like Ishould hop in my car, go to the
gas station and get a cigarright some shit you know and you
get through the five minutesand you're like, yeah, I think
I'm all right now I think I'mgood in the moment, though, when

(24:34):
I was really struggling withthat, it was just like you're
always telling yourself you'llchange after yeah, right, and
that's the toughest thing.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
It's like well, okay, let me just do it this time and
then I'll figure it out and,like you know, we and we'll
probably stop next time.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
And you create this loop in your head, right, and
it's fucking vicious, I think.
So, aside from the food part,finding small things to do for
physical activity as well, yeah,absolutely Coupling that with
it is just vitally important.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I was telling Sarah about this last night.
I don't know the exact numberso I'm not going to quote it,
but there was a study.
I forgot if I was listening orI was actually reading it.
It was something, though, butit was like dementia is a huge
problem in today's society.
It's kind of being coined astype three diabetes, right,

(25:30):
because there's a lot of likeunderstanding starting to to
come to light of like diet andexercise as a is like a key
contributor into dementia andAlzheimer's right?
So, especially when you justlook at like we were just
talking about, with all the youknow shit food out there
nowadays so, um, this studyshowed that if you can walk for

(25:54):
45 minutes a day for three daysa week, it'll decrease your
chance of developing dementia by, um, some crazy percentage.
I think it was like almost over50 or something like that,
right?
And um, when I was tellingsarah this, I'm like man, like,
isn't that crazy that like justsomething as simple as that.
Going for a walk for 45 minutesin a day, three days a week,

(26:17):
like just three days a week Isthat that's crazy to me, right?
And then I'm thinking I'm like,so why is like dementia running
so rampant here in the us?
Like, oh, because people justdon't exercise like at all.
Yeah, like, like.
Imagine, like if you didmoderate exercise in your
teenage years, in your early 20sor something like that, and

(26:41):
then you get a job because youwent to college and you're kind
of like set up, it's the wholelike american dream type thing.
You have have a family, you havekids, you know, you start to
work up the corporate ladder,whatever that is.
Grandkids come into the picturethen, and all of a sudden
you're nearing the age ofretirement and you look back and

(27:04):
you're like I haven't exercisedin 30 plus years, I haven't
done any physical activity inover 30 years, and it's like man
, I feel like that's just such acommon thing in today's society
because it's not really talkedabout much.
The importance of exercise, theimportance of of like what it
is to like physically move yourbody, like we're creatures of
movement, you know like we needto move and uh, and yeah, I just

(27:28):
think that like just startingat a place like that, like we'll
really start to repair a lot ofthe damage done to our society
over the past, you know, four orfive, six decades, whatever
it's been.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right, you know, the amount of sugar people eat and
not exercising is huge, I think.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's just like the lack of like really like
speaking to it right.
Like there's like this hustleculture now and there's this
corporate grind and there's justlike this stigma of like you
have to like, yeah, you needmoney to do all these things.
You need like this, this andthis, and it's like don't worry
about your own health and yourown like personal ambitions.

(28:08):
Right, don't worry about yourown health and your own like
like personal.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Right now, worry about your health later.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And it's like I think that's just so ass backwards.
It's just like holy shit, like,how are you ever supposed to
like actually be worth somethingto your own self if you can't
like truly like discover what itis to like, develop a
consistent like habit in and inin your lifestyle and the
nutrition that you, you chooseto partake in?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
it's just respecting and loving yourself, though you
know I don't think that moneyand things and status will ever
do that.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, you know, people think that right because it's
glamorized through mass mediaand shit like that, especially
if you follow like anything inthe entertainment industry,
right, you see that, and youfollow like anything in the
entertainment industry, right,you see that, and you're like,
oh, I want that.
Right Cause the human mind likesee something, and it has curb
appeal, and it's like that, likewillful desire starts to like
churn where it's like, oh yeah,that, that would be nice, like I

(29:03):
want that, and maybe you can'tsettle for something like that,
but and maybe you can't settlefor something like that, but you
settle for something lower thanthat.
And then, all of a sudden, likeyour whole, like persona and
demeanor, and everything you'reattributing your life to is just
like this, like, almost likefalse satisfaction of like, like
inflated gratification, justlike, like it doesn't have any

(29:24):
weight or sustenance to it.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
No, well, we were talking about this on the other
episode.
Like sometimes, we live inimaginary daydream land, like I
do, and I'm like, oh, that's agood idea.
Or it's like me in the futurethat acted on this idea Right,
and I envision myself and I feelyou can feel your thoughts.
You can feel that daydream.
You're like oh, I already didit in my head 10 months from now

(29:47):
and I'm like all right, that'senough work for today.
You know, no one really wantsto like put in the work to get
there.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
And.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
I know, even like people in our generation and the
gen you know, people here knowthere's a problem, right, and
we're seeking a solution for themost part.
There are people who don't,right, and that's fine, you know
.
But for the people who comehere to feel free, they're
usually coming to learnsomething, be inspired or laugh,

(30:14):
right.
So what I would like to say iswe're very athletic people,
right.
We've also been blessed with agood metabolism, right.
But I'll tell you that betweenthe fall of 2022 and the fall of
2023, almost like a 13, 14month span I wasn't doing too

(30:36):
hot and there were large spansof time, sometimes like four or
five months, where I wasn'tworking out, I wasn't eating,
right, I wasn't doing anythingphysically active, the only
walks I was going on I was goingon walks, but that was only to
smoke.
Yeah, right.
So that's unsaving grace.
I guess you know but I'm eatinglike shit, I'm scrolling my

(30:56):
phone, I'm doing a whole bunchof stupid ass shit and I'm
depressed and I'm down, I'm notgoing to the gym, right.
And then in september, afterour, our kitten passed away, I
didn't feel like going to thegym, right.
I didn't feel like looking atpeople, I was ashamed of myself,
I didn't have any self-esteem,right.
So I told myself I'm like, ifwe're not going to hoop and

(31:19):
we're not going to lift weights,we are going to do pushups here
.
We're going to do pushups andsit-ups, right, something.
I don't even care if it's onlya hundred a day, right.
And I just got in the habit ofgetting my body moving again,
which I know.
At the start of your journey,you gave up, like drinking and

(31:39):
smoking for that, that bet torun the mile, and you started
training that month leading upto the mile and you're like,
holy shit, I'm super out ofshape, right.
But you, you got in the habitof just going out there and
sweating.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Absolutely, you know, just pushing through it Like
it's, it's tough, it hurts, it'snot fun in the moment, right,
but it's also like extremelyrewarding, right, like, for me,
I love just pushing myself tothe absolute limit of like my
physical limits and stuff likethat, right, I always loved that
growing up, so kind ofventuring back into that.

(32:12):
It's like, yes, like this iswhat I'm looking for, right,
like this is what I want.
And um, you know, to kind ofpiggyback off what you were just
saying, it's like, um, it'sreally hard when shit starts
going South in your life, tolike continue to, um, you know,
exemplify the life you were, youwere leading before, right, um,

(32:35):
whether that's like getting tointo the gym on a consistent
basis, um, you know, eating thethe right foods all the time.
Like, when, like shit startsgoing south, it's really hard to
like continue to, like stillstay the course.
And I think you still have tohave that grace with yourself
and understand that like it'sokay, like it's all right, but

(32:59):
it's like, instead of just likegiving yourself a cop out and
just being like whatever, I'mjust like depressed.
I don't feel like doing thisshit.
Like you know, this, this andthis is going on.
Like you know, I just had likemy kitten die.
Like I feel like ass.
It's like let's just sit hereand ponder and think about it
and really try and understand itand learn from it, right, like

(33:22):
I think that like the biggestthing you can do, whether you're
either injured, you're hurt oryou're just depressed or you
don't feel right, it's like,instead of like wallowing in
your own self-pity, it's likelike this is a learning process
to understand like the innermechanics of like my own mind
and body and like how I deal andrationalize and internalize it
and then, moving forward, I canutilize that to to to like, um,

(33:47):
get back on the horse a lotquicker, right?
So it's like maybe it wouldtake me like two weeks to get
back to my routine of getting tothe gym when, like shit started
going South in my life andthrough that two weeks, I really
was taking stock and startingto understand and learn what
that process looked like formyself and like, oh okay, like

(34:10):
man, I just like can't get overthe hump because, like that
depressed feeling I have, likeit just makes me not want to
like work out or do any of likethe stuff that really actually
makes me feel better.
It can actually pull you out ofthat depression, right?
Um, so it's like, next time ithappens, maybe it's not two
weeks, maybe like now thatyou've recognized it and you
actually were able to likereflect on it, like it's not two

(34:33):
weeks now, it's only one weekand you got to reflect on it
over that one week, thatdepressed state you were in.
You're starting to reflect and,like man, I'm conscious of
being depressed, in a bad state,and I'm conscious of not being
able to eat healthy and work outconsistently able to eat
healthy and work outconsistently.
Um, and all of a sudden it'slike, okay, next time something

(34:54):
happens in your life and youmaybe you're in a more depressed
or like not feeling likeworking out state, you recognize
it sooner.
And it's like man, now, insteadof a week of it, it was only one
day, right, and it's like Ithink that's the biggest thing
is like learning how you youwork and respond to that and
like giving yourself the gracenecessary to like not beat
yourself up over it.

(35:15):
But it's like man, you have touse those experiences and like
those mishaps to like trulylearn and improve and understand
how you can you shorten the gapto get back to that consistent
discipline that you set up,because at the end of the day,
it's like shit's going to gowrong in everybody's life and
you're going to have points ofdepression and points of sadness
or not feeling like doingthings, but it's like you're

(35:38):
always going to like fall backto your baseline level of habits
, right?
You're always going to fallback to like what are those?
Like innate baseline habitsthat are super ingrained in you
and a lot of the time it's likehabits that are anti-patterns or
negative habits, right, because, like those stick a lot harder

(35:58):
than you know the reallypositive, like influential ones,
in our life.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
So it's like being able to like recognize that and
and change that, too is is isreally important, yeah, being
aware of that right, being, justlike you know, self-aware of it
is it's it's something you haveto train yourself to do too,
and it's something that I'vegotten better at in the last
year and a half too, because,you know, during the first few
years of my sobriety I didn'thave like a bunch of terrible

(36:22):
things go wrong.
And then in the last year and ahalf my recovery was tested.
I'm still sober to this day,and that's one thing I will
always be grateful of.
But my recovery was tested interms of how I viewed physical
wellness and stuff.
And now, as things come up inmy life that are shitty, I give

(36:43):
myself a grace period to behuman, feel emotion, not beat
myself up about it.
So Wednesday I re myself upabout it Like.
So Thursday or Wednesday Ire-rolled my ankle Right and
Lisa actually took my car toclass that night.
I don't know what it is, butevery time Lisa takes my car and
drops me at the gym to hoop, Iroll my fucking shit.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
You know, it's like your body knows.
Oh, we don't have a car to gethome.
Not going to wait for our ride.
You're going to sit here withyour rolled ass ankle no
actually I was so depressedabout it.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I called a Lyft, nice .
I got a Lyft home and I toldher.
I got her on the phone, I'micing my leg and I'm like, yeah,
when you're getting home, I'mpretty down right now and I'm
going to go to Jewel and get apint of Ben and Jerry's and I'm
going to watch Avatar, the lastairbender, yeah, and that's what
I did, you know, right, and uh,I was really sad about it and

(37:33):
being able to adapt and changeup.
I'm like, all right, we justrolled it a month ago and we
stayed really consistent withour working out.
Right, right, I got to change,I got to adapt.
Right, I'm not, this shithappens.
What was it?
Thursday I did a chest day.
I did 300 push-ups and then 30minutes of other chest exercises

(37:59):
with dumbbells that I have atmy apartment.
Then yesterday I did a leg dayand sauna day.
Today I'm going to be doing abs.
The old me would have not havedone anything these three days.
The old me would have let thisdrag on for a week or three
weeks or a month, right, right,and just hold up and been all
sad and shit.
You know, yeah, so being ableto take a step back that

(38:21):
perspective.
Like hey, shit happens, changeyour routine.
You know, you had your icecream.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
All right, you know, you got your your guilty
pleasure, and exactly right, youknow let's get back to it.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
You know, I had a really healthy breakfast eggs
today with fruit.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
You know, um, it's being able to, like you said,
shorten that gap in between theshitty periods and to get back
on your routine, yeah, and theonly way you can do that is just
consciously taking stock andreflecting and having that
self-awareness to to pullyourself out of it and
understand what some of those,those gaps are.
Um, but one thing I did want toalso bring up too that you had

(39:04):
mentioned with the sauna, right,as if you're somebody
especially um keen into workingout and trying to build some
muscle, like highly recommendgetting some sauna sessions in
um I think, in general thoughtoo, like it's super good for
your heart health.
Yeah also, I mean it's like Iwas saying more, like you know,
for the muscle, like lifting andstuff, because, um, you know,

(39:27):
there's so much research outthere that shows like three,
three days plus a week in thesauna, the uh, human growth
hormone increases in the bodylike tremendously right, so huge
for muscle growth.
But um, also the heat shock,proteins and everything like
it's just amazing for everybody.
Like I would recommendeverybody to to get in the sauna

(39:48):
multiple times a week.
It's just that.
And cold plunges You're notgonna be able to shock your body
like that that quickly, right.
And it's like the benefits ofthe sauna.
It's like, man, just look atthe elevated heart rate that
you're getting and that amountof sweat, the amount of working

(40:09):
out you have to do to increasethat that.
So it's like the stress that itputs on the body.
Um, just like next to nothing.
It's so hard to to get thatanywhere else.
So I would, you know, highlyrecommend the sauna sessions and
the cold plunges.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Start incorporating those into the routine I just
started doing the sauna, likethis year, yeah, and, and I had
made an excuse, you know aboutit.
So I think, like everybody hereon this planet, we make excuses
for why we don't do things thatare good for us.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
You know, Start to rationalize.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Well, like you know, I do understand the importance
of this, but not right now notnow, not today, maybe later, and
I was rationalizing it for along time because the one LA
fitness I go to doesn't have thesauna.
The one that does have thesauna is a 20 minute drive.

(41:05):
You know, and I started, youknow, making that sacrifice.
I'm like I got to go there atleast once or twice a week.
I got to hit the sauna and I'vebeen doing that for the year of
2024 now and I just I feelfucking great, aside from like
the consistent workout, to likebeing in the sauna for at least

(41:26):
20 minutes, and that one's hotas fuck too, that one gets hot,
but it feels good.
Um, so I think, to recap Idon't think we're going to be
done with the episode, but justto recap some things for the
listeners out there find a fewsmall things to change about
your eating habits and yourworkout habits.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Cut out the processed food for sure.
Yes, as much as possible.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, the processed food, like we were saying
earlier, the 80-20 rule Right,try and eat healthy 80% of the
time, yeah, and you can go offthe rails the other 20.
Yeah, you know, fuck it, right.
But just make sure you hit that80 and get in the process of
knowing what you're putting intoyour body.
Yeah, more whole what you'reputting into your body more

(42:12):
whole foods, less processedfoods.
And get active a few times aweek, right, honestly, if you're
really out of shape and youdon't know where to start, just
start with going on a fewfucking walks a week.
Yeah, just start with a walkand then, honestly, after that,
just try doing body weightexercises.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Body weight exercises , huge squats, pushups, pull ups
, stuff like that, right, evenlunges, getting some lunges,
some split legs, squat lunging,and try planks too, planks, even
some side planks.
Um, you can even get like alittle medicine ball for
yourself and do a lot of abworkout stuff with medicine

(42:48):
balls.
Um, even kettle bells, right,like there's so much like stuff
that you could do even at yourhouse, like order, these small
little weight things and, likeyou know, even a few dumbbells,
stuff like that, Right.
And all of a sudden it's like,oh, I have like the necessary
equipment now to like really domy body justice, maybe even like

(43:09):
a Pilates type workout would beright for you, right, and
there's so many of that stuff onYouTube you could just look up,
right, which is really cool.
So I think that's important.
And then just to kind of hammerhome and talk about like the
whole foods, right, like gettinggood, natural whole foods shout
out to whole foods too.
It's really expensive, so islike I would say, like for me, I

(43:38):
kind of walk through like themajority of my diet really quick
.
It's like okay.
So I like to break things downby the macro.
So we'll start with protein,right, protein mainly um beef
right in the form of ground beef, like to do like 80 20, because
there's some really goodsaturated fat in there.
And no, like saturated fat andthe fat from beef, it's not bad

(44:01):
for you, it's a lie, it's a scam, it's amazing, right.
So do the research like it doesnot call it cause heart disease
, like maybe the seed oils thatit's cooked in could cause it.
But, um, across the board, alot of the medical communities
starting to to really understand, like, yeah, it's not the, not

(44:22):
the red meat that's causing thisheart disease.
So, um, that's main protein.
Also, maybe do some like reallyclean turkey too, uh, which is
pretty quick, but yeah, mainlybeef.
So ground beef steaks.
And then I will also incorporatea lot of organs.
Highly recommend organs.

(44:42):
You can get them online too.
Like beef liver.
Heart is really good.
Heart tastes just like steaktoo, so don't be too scared of
heart.
It also has a really importantenzyme, the coq12, so highly
recommend heart.
Um kidney, I do a lot of bonemarrow too.
Bone marrow is amazing, superfatty and it just like tastes
like straight butter.

(45:03):
It's.
It's great.
So, um, and then uh, some goodlike collagen as well, which
I'll kind of heat up on thestove and drink it hot, almost
like a cup of coffee type thing,right.
So, um, those are like a lot ofthe protein source there, and
then also some good pastureraised eggs.
If you're going to get eggs, Iwould definitely highly
recommend the pasture raisedbecause, uh, pasture raised is

(45:26):
like they have to be on acertain I forgot how many acres
of land it is but they prettymuch have free reign to roam,
which is nice you don it is, butthey pretty much have free
reign to roam, which is nice youdon't want like cage free,
because cage free means theyonly have like this small little
enclosed area.
It's kind of to be honest.
But, yeah, definitely look fororganic pasteurized eggs if
you're gonna go eggs.
So I'll usually do three tofour eggs a day on top of that,
um, and then for the carbs,we'll switch into going more.

(45:52):
Um, start with like some somedairy.
So I like to do a lot of kefir,like once a day I'll have a
glass of kefir which um has somegood protein, fat and carbs in
it, right, and I'll mix that inwith some honey, um, preferably
glyphosate free honey.
Glyphosate's found in so muchof the honey nowadays that
trying to find a company withglyphosate free is super

(46:14):
important, just with all thenegative aspects that um, his
his start to come to light withuh with glyphosate, so
glyphosate free honey.
And uh, we'll go with um, somefruit, so bananas I'll usually
like fresh squeeze, like twooranges a day.
Now I've started to incorporatemy juicer uh, cherries, mangoes

(46:39):
and uh, a ton of salt.
Make a little kefir smoothiewith something like that.
So, uh, that's a lot of thecarbon take uh during like
workouts and stuff.
I like coconut water.
It's just super clean, feelsgood, so, um, that's's that's
kind of the carb intake, andthen the fat pretty much comes
from, like the eggs, the beef,and then I'll usually do like an

(47:02):
avocado a day, um, so for, likeme, that's kind of like my 80
percent right, like reallytrying to like slowly transition
to getting fully 100%, likesticking to it, right.
But I mean you were at 100% fora good while, yeah, then slipped
up a little Right, started tolike incorporate some other
stuff and mess around with somethings.

(47:23):
But yeah, I would say, like,that's kind of like my like
overall, you know perfect worldin terms of like what's going
into my body and you can evenincorporate some like rod, like
dairy cheese type stuff too.
I've actually started toventure into the cheese things
as much as I like hate, hatecheese, so got some, got some

(47:44):
raw cheese in the fridge rightnow that we're uh, we're testing
out.
So really good for themicrobiome.
Um, yeah, yeah.
Bacteria, yeah, um.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
I can't say that mine diet on a weekly basis is as uh
planned out as that.
I do eat a lot of beef, like mymeal preps are beef, and I eat
rice, Um, a lot.
I also eat a lot of fruit.
Uh, salmon, Salmon's really bigon my weekly diet.

(48:16):
We only drink.
Also, for people out there likewe don't drink pop.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, cut the pop and shit out.
God.
The fucking soda's so bad, evenlike juice.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
If you're not like freshly juicing, it probably
don't buy it, because it'sprobably just got a ton of like
added sugar in it, right, Ithink sometimes, if I don't have
the time or if I'm out ofcertain materials at my place, I
will buy like a muscle milkafter a workout.
That's kind of the only thingthat I drink outside of just

(48:50):
water, coffee and tea.
Yeah, so water, coffee and tea.
We are pretty big on thecarbonated water.
You know, got it right here,yeah, whenever you need a little
pop.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, just a little sparkling water always does the
trick.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah, nothing like super processed, like sugar and
shit like that I do.
I still fast a lot because Ijust don't eat in the morning.
I still fast a lot because Ijust don't eat in the morning.
I get all my calories inbetween like 12 and 8.
12 pm to 8 pm is when I do allmy eating.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I do like oatmeal a lot too.
How do you like the liver?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I heard you ventured into the organ meats.
Let me tell you somethingbecause we'll probably make this
a real.
I'm gonna be honest this wholeliver thing, fucking ass yeah,
it doesn't taste too god, ittastes terrible.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I was gonna bring some today.
Oh my god, slip my mind the,the whole.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Here's the thing the purpose over pleasure.
I get it.
I have done done it like threeor four times at this point.
It just so happens I get hurtso I'm not even able to like
work out as hard as I want toand repair myself.
I can tell that between doingthe liver, the sauna, changing
my sleeping habits and all thisstuff like these are all great

(50:09):
things to do, but the livertastes terrible.
Don't listen to any fuckinginfluencer anywhere when the
fucking talk it up like it'sfucking great.
Tastes like shit.
Yeah, you know, I think aidenmakes smoothies.
He makes like these.
Yeah, you can make a good organsmoothie yeah I think the best
thing to do, like you said, likeI chop, chop it up and then I

(50:29):
just swallow it yeah, that'swhat I do.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I usually will just kind of chase it with um, like
some coconut water, um, and yeah, it just kind of goes right
down the hatchet.
But uh, you know, I think whenyou like do some research anyone
out there on um beef liver andjust like you'll be kind of
amazed at, just pound for pound,how it's like wow, this is the

(50:51):
most nutritious item in theworld, right here, beef liver.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Like you, just like can't, you can't beat it, just
like it's, it's there's like amisconception though, like
because eric said the same thingthat tom said, like you're just
eating the thing that filtersall the shit out of right, the
body, yeah, you know, but Idon't think that the liver keeps
that yeah, it's like you'reliterally like contradicting
yourself, like the thing thatfilters all the.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It's like so literally filters it right, like
gets rid of yeah, that stuff,you know, yeah, you get rid of
it.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, you know, it's not like the liver just holds on
to all the fucking nastypathogens and yeah, I'm sure
there might be some, but I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I think like like it's.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
It neutralizes some of them.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, exactly right, due to the enzymes in the back.
Yeah, the liver holds right.
So, yeah, I wouldn't put toomuch weight into it, just like.
No.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah I don't really, and this is just kind of where
I'm at.
I don't like taking like advicefrom people who of where I'm at
.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I don't like taking like advice from people who
aren't healthy, yeah, or likearen't like actually embodying
and living the stuff thatthey're talking about.
Right, you know, yeah, sototally feel that, feel you
there, but, um, yeah, justoutside of that of what you know
, we kind of currently it's likethat.
That's just like more of asnapshot and um into it, but
it's like just know that.
That's like I don't thinkthere's one like ideal diet out

(52:20):
there, where it's like you know,like human bodies are just so
dynamic and different andthere's um like so much like
growing up in the like the waythe body actually changes, and
like like the mental side ofthings too, how you actually
like internalize and like thinkabout the food that you're
eating.
So, um, like this is what Ifound, that like I feel the best

(52:44):
and most, like you know,energized and fulfilled with the
way you know I eat, um, but itmight not be for you.
So I would say, like trydifferent things out, don't just
, like you know, keep doing whatyou're doing, but like
experiment with things and likehow do I actually feel after
eating this?
What is my mental state like?

(53:04):
How do I actually like interactwith people when I'm, you know,
eating these types of foodsright, eating these types of
foods right.
So I think that's that's one ofum.
The most important things thatI've really started to like
understand over the past fewyears is this is like a big like
, experiment of like okay, thisis how I feel eating this.

(53:26):
This is how I feel eating thisright and like man.
Maybe I shouldn't be eatingthis like processed, like cake
or whatever, because I feel waybetter when I'm eating this beef
right.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I think it's trial and error, but also for people
that don't have the knowledgeand that don't know where to
look like properly, do your ownresearch and stuff like that.
I do think that possibly hiringlike a nutritionist or I would
say this, if you have every Ibelieve that people have like

(53:57):
friends in their life and theirlives that are in shape and are
eating well.
If you don't have a friend inyour life who is doing well
physically, like in terms oftheir food and workout, I think
you should go find some you knowbeing around the people that
will influence you as good youknow like for for Brandon.

(54:20):
Brandon has worked really wellwith counting his macros.
He holds himself accountable tothat.
That works for him, right.
Right, he probably has specificfoods that he eats every week
and meal preps and stuff likethat.
But what keeps him accountableis counting everything out.
That doesn't really vibe withme.
You know, whatever.

(54:41):
If counting everything outworks for you, I say, do it.
If zero to 100 cutting out allpleasure eating works for you,
do it.
You know it's trial and error,but don't don't give up.
You know, and, like we weresaying earlier, like you started
running to jump start yourhabit of changing your entire

(55:02):
life, right, you found one, oneexercise that you based the rest
of everything you did around.
Right, and when I got sober,that was basketball for me.
Right, I just happened to gethurt more playing basketball
than you get hurt doing running,right.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
So, but finding one exercise or activity that you
just love doing and then justdoing that, yeah, Right, yeah,
absolutely yeah, absolutely Likemaybe it's like playing

(55:39):
volleyball or, you know, justdoing something outside in
nature with friends, right, likewhatever that is.
That like really like togglesyour interest, like you just go
for it and do it and just likeyou'll you'll never look back.
You know Like I think justgoing at things with like
childlike curiosity is soimportant.
Like man, like just like man.
How do I like get so stuck inmy ways as an adult where it's

(55:59):
like man, I only like this, Ionly do this, like this, this,
this.
So it's like I love likelearning new games or just like
you know, trying new things out.
Like man, it's like one of themost like energizing and cool
things is like how do I acquiremore knowledge or develop a new
skill set in something you know?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Well, we get beaten down as adults, yeah, and then
we're just like I'm only goingto do what's comfortable to me,
right, what I know.
I know I'm going to feel thisway after doing this and I'm
going to keep doing this.
Right, because the unknown is ascary concept.
Right, keep doing this.
Right, because the unknown is ascary concept.
Right, if you view it as ascary concept.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Otherwise you can view it as something exciting.
Right, you know, and you know,venturing into the world of
changing your life for thebetter is a scary fucking thing,
Especially if you don't knowwhat you're doing.
Yeah, you know.
So if there's anything that I'dlike people to take away from
this episode in particular, itwould be really watch what

(56:57):
you're eating, watch how muchyou're eating and really take a
inventory of how active you werein the last seven days.
You know, honestly ask yourselfif you even sweat.
Some people just don't likesweating anymore.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I feel grimy.
Yeah, it's like dude.
We're humans.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, it's a natural response like sweating anymore.
Right, I feel grimy.
Yeah, it's like dude, we'rehumans.
Yeah, it's a natural responseto the body, right?
So it's like just try andexercise more wherever you are
in your journey, like you'rejust starting, you're in the
thickets of it, you're just likein a good groove.
Just try and do a little bitmore and see what that feels

(57:36):
like, like it's, it's reallypowerful, just a little bit more
.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Push your limits, yeah, so I think we had a pretty
, pretty good episode.
Do you have anything else thatyou want to touch on?
I actually wanted to ask youbecause in this last like year
you've been hurt a few times,yeah, and then also you got
COVID.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, covid really did the number on me actually.
Yeah, second time I've had it.
First time it was like it wasnothing.
I was pretty much asymptomatic,just took a week off for
running and was pretty much backat it, you know.
And was pretty much back at it,you know, and just in terms of

(58:17):
like injuries and kind of likedealing with that, it's a really
like we talked about toughthing, like get kind of a little
bit depressed, down on yourselflike this woe is me type
feeling.
But, like I said, I think, justlike understanding what those
pain points are for you andunderstanding how can I quickly
like like bounce back from thisand like learn from it.

(58:39):
So I'm conscious of it.
So when you know something likeit happens again I'm able to to
not be as depressed or down onmyself, right, and instead I can
use that injury time to toreally focus and sharpen my own
mental edge and my mental, youknow, um, fortitude Plus.
There's a lot of stuff you cando while injured.
That you know, just stay inshape, like in running.

(59:02):
You could do a stationary bikeor something like that, right.
So, um, but yeah, talking aboutthe COVID, so, yeah, I get
COVID like first week ofDecember, so that's what.
So, yeah, I get COVID likefirst week of December, so
that's what.
Four months ago, right, um anduh, it was brutal.
Like I've never been that sickbefore.
Man, it fucking knocked me out.

(59:23):
Um, yeah, it was bad.
I don't know how the heck ithit me so hard, but uh, yeah, I
was pretty much out for like twoweeks and uh, just this
piercing headache all day longlike just wouldn't go away, uh,
some chest pain, right, like youknow, the whole nine yards.
And week three comes along andI'm finally like on the tail end

(59:47):
of it and like starting torecover, feel a lot better.
And uh, pretty much didn'tstart running again until week
four and uh, just did like verylow energy, just like kind of
chest painy, right, not feelinggreat.
That lingered pretty much intolike late february, early march,

(01:00:11):
right, yeah, and like juststruggle to get through workouts
, absolute struggle.
Um and uh, it's like damn, likeyou know.
And then I have everybodyasking me how's running going,
how you doing, like how's this?
And like inside I'm just dying.
I'm like it's fine, like fuckme like fuck me.

(01:00:31):
you know, like I don't want totalk about this shit, like I'm
freaking out right now, cause Imight like be like I don't know
what's wrong with me.
You know, um and uh that thatthat couple months stretch was
just such a struggle and brutallike realization that, like man,
like maybe I just like this isthis is what my body is now Like

(01:00:54):
, it's permanently like this andI'm like, wait, like I can't
think like that, that's fucked.
Like our bodies are so likelike fluid and can change Right,
and it's like if you thinkabout it as like concrete, then
like you're, you're fucked, youknow.
So I'm like I can't think likethat, like I can get back to
where I was like pre COVID, likefor sure.
You know it's going to take alittle bit of time, but I'm

(01:01:16):
there.
So, um, the last month has beengreat, like definitely feel
like, um, we're like almostthere.
You know, still have slight likelike some slight chest pain and
um, you know, on the longerruns, but, uh, for the most part
, it's like you know we're, wecould, I could feel like these
next couple weeks, um, I'm gonnabe back, back and ready.

(01:01:39):
So I'm looking to race um ineither early or mid may is is
the goal right now.
So, yeah, really excited, likeI said, just be back, I think,
um, you know, for me it's likefuck, you hate talking about it,
like, but at the same time it'slike man, like like I'm just

(01:01:59):
like happy, like I'm just sohappy right now.
You know, like I'm finally likeI'm finally like able to talk
about it because, like I couldsee the light at the end of the
tunnel now I could see like,yeah, I'm like right there, I'm
finally like back to where I was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
so I could tell that you didn't want to talk about it
during those months yeah, youknow, yeah, you were like
everybody's bugging me and it'sjust like man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I just want to deflect this shit, because it's
like I'm freaking out, you know.
So yeah, no, it feels greatthough that's because, in the
moment, despair, yeah, fuck yeahonce it grabs hold of you, it's
hard to like, it's hard to getout of its grasp.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Man like we were talking about the whole, like
first part of the episode wasvery like positive and we're
like gotta take a step backperspective and all that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
But like right, when you start to be really
transparent about it, like inthose moments of like, despair
and anguish and shit like that,like it's fucking tough it is it
really is, and it tests everyamount of your will and your
just like own like disciplineand understanding of, like what
you truly want to accomplish inlife and with what you're doing,

(01:03:04):
and it's like man, if you wantto truly aspire to do like great
things.
It's like you're gonna gothrough these, these hard times,
and it's like how you respondto them and how you learn from
them and are able to likeutilize them to propel you
forward and to refine your ownskill and your own knowledge of
being the best version ofyourself that you can
potentially and possibly be.

(01:03:25):
It's like you've got to be ableto work through that and it
fucking sucks, you know.
It sucks like literally liketrying to like run and work out
every day and not know like man,I don't think I'll ever be able
to like break a four minutemile or I'll ever be able to get
back to the fitness I was ineven a year ago.
Like it's just like not there.

(01:03:46):
I'm not having it.
I don't know what to fucking do, right?
So, yeah, just being able tolike kind of filter those
negative thoughts out and thosefearful thoughts and those like
doubtful thoughts and reallyjust turn them around and
understand that like it's likethe body and mind's natural
response to when you aren'tgetting the results and the

(01:04:07):
desired expectations of whatyou're, you know, set out to
achieve.
Like, sure, those fearful anddoubtful thoughts are going to
pop in.
But I think you have to alsolike be able to think with the
rational side of your brain andbe like okay, like I'm just not
there yet, that's okay.
Like we just got to stick to it, we got to keep at it.

(01:04:27):
Like you know, if we can't getback there after like a full
year, then maybe we're fucked.
But you know, you've got tohave that grace with yourself,
like I said, and understand thatthose thoughts are just the
natural response to not, youknow, kind of hitting those
desired results and expectations.
Yeah, I think, being like alittle lenient with yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah, because in the moment, you want to, like take
those fears and the thoughts andyou want to make them almost
concrete Right, you're likethese are set in stone, these
fears, right.
And because you don't have theanswers, right, right, you don't
have the answers, so you'reworrying about it.
But in order to make you feelbetter about the moment, you

(01:05:12):
almost solidify them.
Yeah, because you want ananswer Right, right, yeah.
But I think, like, solidifyingthose fears or trying to, gives
us a little like sense ofcomfort.
Right, because we get ouranswer Right.
Yeah, but that answer makes usdepressed, yeah.
So I think, going through themotions and being a little more
lenient with ourselves and, likeyou said, like you, you gotta,

(01:05:37):
you gotta cut yourself someslack at that point and now
you're back to almost back towhere you want to be right in,
the last month's been good,you're like man.
One more month and I'm gonna beright back there again.
Yeah, you know, the body's, thebody is able to bounce back
better than we give it creditfor, you know.
But the proper rest andexercise and food we put into it

(01:06:01):
is is key, right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Absolutely A hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
So, uh, I think, honestly I think that was pretty
good episode.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
It's nice to be back on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
It's been a little minute so yeah, I was going to
say you haven't been in the newstudio yet, right, yeah, it's
nice, I like it.
Yeah, it's pretty dope, sweetsetup, man, oh man thanks, but
we're gonna leave it at that,you know.
So, telling people to watchwhat you eat, be conscious of
that, get a few good, healthyphysical routines in place and,
uh yeah, chase yourmotherfucking dreams.

(01:06:35):
So with that, y'all know thedrill.
Stay up, feel free.