S2E8: To Each Their Moan

Kinks, quirks, and the things that make us squirm (in a good way). In this episode, we unzip the world of fetishes and kinks to unpack that which many find feral and so so very fun. To provide extra kink context to the cum-radery of Pete and Bisq-it's own storytelling, our co-hosts are joined by porn-star, content creator, and future world peace negotiator Jonah Wheeler in this dynamic episode that will have you itching to try something new (but like, a good itch, not the bad ones). There's no shame, no judgment—just curiosity, conversation, and a whole lot of moaning (metaphorically, mostly). Because pleasure? It’s personal. And between Pete, Bisq-it, and Jonah, you'll get everything from a Falcon Punch to the pleasure of pits and maybe even the Senate Twink. Cue Billy Joel - let the harmonica blaze through a tickle frenzy while we bathe in the glow of Nickelodeon slime, balloon battle scars, and the sexual feralness that comes (cums?) with it all.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
I got something now to get the people on the.
Floor. All right.
Hello and welcome to all our newand returning feral friends to
fair relationship. I'm Pete.
And I'm Biscuit. Biscuit, how the fuck are you

(00:21):
doing? Girl, we got through them.
April showers and we are in to the May flower power.
I don't know, I was really trying to think a little bit
more creatively, but she's out of juice.
No, the the tank is empty. I don't blame at all.
Not Joe Say yes, yes. Lizzo, are you cancelled still?

(00:44):
Papa, can you hear me? But anyway, no, I it's, you
know, we are in full swing this spring and you know, we have
been out. We've been a little sporty.
I love the Sunday like intramural sports followed by
the gay bar beer flow. Honestly one of my favorite
things I just like. I hate that it falls on a

(01:07):
Sunday. I know.
You know what I mean. It's like, yeah, it's the Lord's
Day. It's just.
You know what you took the wordsright out of?
Yes, Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
But it it I like, I feel like that's the beauty and the pain
of it all. It's like, oh, it's a Sunday, so
you don't really have anything else going on.
But then you end up drunk as fuck on a Sunday evening and you

(01:27):
go, Oh yeah, I have to work tomorrow.
Yeah, well, I will say the nice thing about the fun day, so that
it's daytime, Yes, I mean cause we've also been known to explore
the Sunday. Biscuit I was.
Just about to say Sunday night. You know, I have no self-control
once I've reached a point and I have not sent myself home.
Well bitch, I'm in for I'm out. I'm out for the whole night.

(01:47):
Ohh no out till 2. AM I bet on it?
Like I I'm like, girl, I hope Pete is nice and free flow in
because honey, I mean, if I justlike sprinkle a little bit of a
horse dust, if you will. I was going to say fairy dust,
but but I mean fairy dust for the fairies, horse dust also for
the fairies, right. And then off we go.

(02:08):
Now I know there's I feel like it happened, has happened a
handful of times that we're out at the bar after we're on the
dance floor. Yes, things are happening and
you and I, we we lock eyes and it becomes the Yep.
It's we're doing that and it is it is like sign language across
it's it is mind milled like yes,like full on.

(02:29):
You are like feral. Language you are.
Professor Xavier, I am Jean Grey.
We are communicating. It is, but it's like we're all
gay. We're communicating in Feral,
yes. You know what I mean is I don't
know what that was. Like a like a cicada.
Yes, oh gosh God, we're not on aKitty year.

(02:49):
That was so last year anyway. Well, it's I think it's time we
put on the feral faucet. I've got some interesting
questions to ask you. All right, I think that'll be a
nice little cock tease for the main event of our afternoon or
evening or morning or whatever the fuck you're listening to
this. 100%. I just love that.

(03:10):
Equal opportunity all hours of the day.
Oh. Yes, 24/7.
All right. Let's put her on.
Let's go, girls. Well, Pete.
Yeah, Talk to me, Biscuit. I've got a bit of a personal
question, but I really think this will Lubus up for the like
I said, the the main attraction who is quite attractive himself.
I can't wait. Yes, yes.

(03:33):
Well, that question is. Thank God I'm sitting down.
Yes. Or are you sitting on a Dick?
And actually I would like to seeSpeaking of the receipts for
said Dick, right. And what I mean by that is I am
curious, are you one who likes to record himself?
Oh, you know, when you're with and having an experience with

(03:55):
somebody? Sure, sure.
Tell me. So I can't say that I've done it
a ton, but I have, you know, my hidden album like we all do.
You know, I, I will be surprised.
I will be. I have been surprised.
Call. Me surprised.
There are a ton of people that have like they were scrolling
through their like main photo album and I'm like, girl, you

(04:15):
should not have that outwards. No, just hide.
That hide that it. Also makes it so much easier to
find because I'm like no all of my pictures and videos are in my
hidden album. Yes, I'm like, oh, what year was
that? What month of that?
You know, like I'm trying to triangulate.
Like, is that on a trip? I don't know.
But I would say it's not something that I'm like, Oh my
gosh, I absolutely have to do this.
You know what I mean? Situational.

(04:37):
I would say honestly, like a couple years ago there was a guy
that I was just like consistently hooking up with and
he was really into it. And so I was like, sure, why
not? And after we'd I go, oh, oh, I'm
glad I have. These.
Yes. Like it's just something that
I'm like. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

(05:00):
See, like it's like roll the tapes, you know, And I no, I, I
agree. Yeah, what about you?
Oh, honey. You know she's got the
scrapbook. I mean, she's.
Got the VHS. You've got to go back to The
Cave drawing. So the hieroglyphics, it's me
and Ramses. Oh, yes, yes, yes, Moses, Moses,

(05:21):
of course. No, I, you know, I've dabbled.
It's usually, I will say though,it's not necessarily the thing I
automatically think of. No.
But the minute somebody suggestsit, especially if it's with
somebody that I trust or like a friend or a regular or, or let's
say even a partner, then I would100% be like, yeah, bitch, let's

(05:41):
do this. Let's make sure it's a good
angle there. Well, the tape.
Yeah, I mean, so do you have like a good go to?
Cuz girl, I've got I. Absolutely.
Do I'd go to like a video? Yeah, of course.
Like do you have one in your hidden album in on Grinder?
I no, not not with another person.
OK, sure. You know what I mean.
I do. I do know what you mean.

(06:01):
Yeah, but it sounds like you do.I do yes and.
Girl, tell me more. I will say I'm I'm very pleased
with the the turn out. Well, first of all, actually,
funnily enough. That's with your own word.
I I think it was actually birthday sex yes and act funnily
enough, the story behind this quick side quest Sure I it was

(06:24):
my birthday. I was in Provincetown just by
happenstance. My friends wanted to go that
weekend. I was like, I must be my
birthday. Let's go.
Yeah. So I wake up that morning and
now I was sharing a room with a friend and we weren't like
actively hooking up. It was just like a we're just
like sharing a room. So we coordinated if we need to
the room, whatever. Sure.
But I wake up, he's still he's still in bed.
I get on the grind. I'm like, I deserve this.

(06:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
I want you know what? I want some sausage for brunch.
Yeah. And so.
And you deserve it. Yes.
Thank you. And I went and I found this
gentleman and we hook up. We had a great time.
It was fun. So then at the end, as I was
like getting dressed, I'm tying my shoes and I'm about to leave.
And he goes, well, that was a really great way to start my

(07:07):
birthday. And I was like, wait, this was
your birthday? And he's like, yes, it is.
And I was like, it's my birthday.
This is. Magical and.
Then I was like, I literally made him hand me his driver's
license to prove it. Yes, I was like, show him the
receipts. Diane of.
Course you did. Of course you did.
Oh my God, so this was amazing right, loving this.
So then later go out we party all night, not not together,

(07:31):
just like whatever me my friends, I end up at this afters
and there he is and The Afters was dying down.
It wasn't really great crowd andwe were like, should we just
book on this? And so we did look at your
birthday and at his suggestion, he was like, why don't we put
this? Why don't we do a little
recording? I was like, fuck, yeah, I'm
feeling it. So, honey, there is this video.

(07:51):
The lighting is somehow glorious.
It looks like we're kind of in this, like it's not really a
cabin, but kind of looks like a cabin.
We put the the phone was up on awindow.
It's looking down and I am riding this Dick to the gods
like and I like up, down, up, down and meanwhile my Dick is

(08:12):
just going. Oh so literally like the old
Toyota commercials with the crash tummies.
You know what I mean? Yes.
Yes, except we weren't safe. Of course.
I made it was great. So I put that in my private
album and I got to say I'm, I'm very pleased with it.
And I get great responses. The number of, you know, cuz you

(08:34):
can like reply back to a specific picture and be a little
like, holy fuck. And then of course, yeah, yes,
they're admirers. So then they're like, can we
recreate that? And I'm like, I'm just.
Say less please. Yes, well, funnily enough, I may
have actually recreated that a very similar scene riding

(08:56):
somebody ferociously, also in Provincetown.
OK. And it just happens to be our
special guest today. Talk about a transition.
Oh my God, girly. Well, I can't wait.
And you know. Oh well, there.
Thank God. And there she goes, because it's
time to introduce our special guest and which we will do right
as after I get this little screaming bitch off.
Please. Oh my God, let's go.

(09:22):
Well, today we are very excited to welcome to the show a star
among the content creation community and certainly an
expert on today's topic, Jonah Wheeler, thank you so much for
joining us on today's episode, all about kinks and all the fun
that comes with it. Hey wanted to be here.

(09:42):
Well, of course, you know, firstof all, we just again, welcome
and thrilled to have you. Let's just start off with the
easy stuff. Give us a little bit about your
background and how you got into this space.
And you know, if you're feeling it, maybe share a few kinks or
two. Yeah, a little background.
I am an adult content creator, which is such a silly kind of a
name for that. Right now I make pornography.

(10:03):
Online. I make pornography because I'm
an exhibitionist and I like showing off my sex in front of
people. I'm very, very passionate about
group sex and the live performance of that.
And when the pandemic hit, I wasno longer able to, like get my
exhibitionism off by going to a sex party and fucking in front
of a crowd. So I pursued A lifelong goal of

(10:24):
making horny adult videos and hopped in.
In that year when you know anything was possible and you
could get away with anything. Well, we.
Thank you for it. Yes.
Thank you for your service. Right.
I gotta thank everybody else fortheir service along the way
'cause it's been a good time. Oh my gosh.
But on kinks, like, you know, I started with exhibitionism is a

(10:47):
big one that's just kind of likethat runs at a level through
everything that I do so uniformly that I don't even, I'm
not even aware of it a lot of the time.
Right. There's a handful of kinks that
are really obvious in the work that I do.
One of those is role play. I really like putting on the
alter ego of another person. OK, Yeah.
Oh, I've noticed. Yes, one of those roles that I

(11:10):
love is dad. I love being dad.
I love being with a dad. I love the like the supportive
side of sexuality, the like, I want to push you and I want to
teach you and I want to let you know that I care about you, but
we're also going to challenge you.
I like that structure. Oh, that's complex, yeah.
It's a lot of things. Yeah, it has layers.

(11:32):
Yeah, Dad has such a there's such an obvious concept of Dad
as being like, like an oppressive authority figure.
But I like Dad as a as a trainer, as a person who like,
who loves you but wants to challenge you.
Yeah, yeah. It's about growth.
It's about, you know, encouragement.
That's a fun. That's a fun and complicated

(11:52):
role play for me. Yeah, I like that.
I like how you worded that. It's about encouragement.
I like. That yes, I'm very wholesome at
the center of all of it, yes. That's wholesome.
We do love that word. No, I I think that's one super
fun too. I love the idea of like, you
know, the, the sex Ed talk of itall, the helping you become and
find who you are and the self discovery and the but obviously

(12:16):
I think in that role, there's a level of intimacy clearly like
in between the two people. It's fun and it's certainly I
feel like this is a category that's like adapulted over the
past few years. So again, I'm sure you, I know
you were a big contributor in that and we thank you for your
service. I like getting to explore things
in front of people and see how they hook into it.

(12:37):
Yeah. How did you see yourself getting
like, you know, this kid just kind of talked about how it's
exploded over the last couple ofyears.
Like how have you seen it from your lens, right?
Like have you, have you been approached more because of it or
what? What do you think there?
I don't know because it kind of happens.
A change is happening for me personally as I get into it
because like in that role play, I have been in like in the sun

(12:59):
position, in the boy position somuch until I get into porn,
which is at like a point in my life when I start having to
pivot. Like I am moving out of my
youthful look at the time that I'm getting started.
So my role has to shift from being the guided to the guider
at the same time that you know, our cultural idea around of it

(13:20):
is changing. So it's hard for me to judge how
it's progressed because it's changing while I am.
I love that though the evolution, right?
Yeah. So then what is your hot take on
the whole White Lotus scenes? Because I have to imagine, I
have to imagine you've been tapped on multiple occasions for
this. So share it with the world and
our listeners. I have to disappoint you.

(13:42):
I have nothing to say about it. I don't watch television so all
I know is that two brothers kissed in a sex scene.
There might be a little bit more, but.
I don't know that. That's okay, that's okay.
Well, I can't wait for that. That day when you're all bundled
up because it's cold outside, you're like, what is all this
that they're talking about? And then you'll finally get all

(14:02):
of the Parker Posey references and be like, oh, OK.
I did use it in a in the captionfor a video that I put out
because me and Clifford Packer did a did a dad son thing that
week and it happened to line up timing wise just right.
Oh my God, I love it. I love it so.
Exhibitionism, you said? Exhibitionism, role play, role

(14:22):
play that I also get into because I come from a very
restrictive background, a very, you know, like buttoned up is
the way I would describe it. Sure.
Yeah. I.
Love tapping into a greasy, sleazy side of myself?
OK. I like being anybody that you
might encounter while you're, like, filling your gas tank.
Yeah, Oh. I have reservations about.

(14:45):
Yes, Oh, I. Love just yeah, go into that
like busted bathroom and just Ohyeah.
What am I gonna find behind thisdoor?
I don't. Know behind door number one
behind. Door #1.
The like greasy blue collar fantasy is a thing that I will
put on because it's a fun thing that is counter to my internal

(15:05):
experience. Yeah, I like that.
Well, I feel like so I've I've definitely seen some of those
videos. What what is it?
Trailer Park Boys, is that? Trailer trash boys.
Trailer trash boys. Can I tell you about them?
They're yes, please. Trailer Trash boys, if I'm
correct, originates as kind of ajoke, OK?
They do it as like a hokey scenewithin some other company.

(15:28):
And they have so much fun makingit, and people like it enough.
Yeah, they decide to make it itsown company.
But every one of those scenes that they make is all right.
How dumb can we get with this? How extra and like almost camp
can we get about this like trailer park concept?
I love it. We want to lean into the the bad

(15:50):
porn scene scenario of it all asmuch as possible and committed.
And then it ends up being people's favorite porn scenes.
It's it's very much about havingfun with it, which is, you know,
they're really fun to shoot for for that reason.
Absolutely. That's what I was just going to
say. I feel like when people like
when you're having fun with it, people are just going to enjoy
it because of that, right? Yeah.
Absolutely. As you're comfortable, give us a

(16:12):
little bit about your background.
We'd love to hear what has, I guess you could say, inspired
this excitement to explore in other areas, in other ways.
Oh, I feel like I'm gonna come back to having grown up Catholic
in a bunch of ways. A lot.
Oh girl girl, from from your limbs to Jesus is come gutters
man on the cross, I swear to God.

(16:33):
Right now, while we're recordingthis, we do not have an active
Pope, so I can kind of say whatever I want.
There's nobody up there in the inter level between humanity and
God right now. Yeah, it's the Cardinal Hunger
Games. Yes, I grew up Catholic and I, I
imprinted on a bunch of the likethe values.
One of the ones I must come backto is do not hide your light

(16:55):
under a bushel. You have been, you have been
gifted something in this world and it is your responsibility to
share it. Yes.
And for me, that is a that is anomnivorous hunger for a variety
of sexual interests. OK.
That is what I have been handed and it is my job to use that to
its fullest extent. Oh, and honey, you do.

(17:20):
We love it just. I love that.
So yes, having grown up Catholicmyself is certainly biscuit.
Can absolutely relate. Been on my knees a few times if
you know what I mean. I have, I remember.
But I, yes, I, yeah, I'm just worshipping different things
these days, one could say. This skills are transferable,

(17:44):
yes. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we love transferableskills.
Absolutely. Well, so just to put my Co host
on the spot real quick and and Jonah, obviously feel free to
pepper in as well. But Pete, curious since we're
all sharing, what what fetishes,kinks, what do you like to
explore on the side? No, it's been funny hearing you
talk here. I love the like I'm looking back

(18:06):
at like some of my favorite porn.
It's an absolutely like the trailer trash boys, like comes
to the top, like I love that. I'm also like I love the bait
bus, right, like I feel like that oldie Buffetti right, yes,
so definitely very much into that.
And I think I talked about the story in season 1 Biscuit, but
definitely I found myself in an afters and it was just a very

(18:28):
sex friendly afters. And there was a daddy who was
very much into letting everyone explore various sides of them.
And so, you know, one thing led to another and then like fisting
started happening and I was like, oh, I, I didn't know I was
into something like that. Which side of the fisting were
you? The receiving end of it all.
Yeah. And I was like, OK, didn't know

(18:49):
that this was something that, but he was just like, let me,
let me show you the way. Right?
Yes. Yeah.
This is the way. This is the way.
Yeah, exactly. And so I was like, OK, it's just
so I found myself in a very comfortable situation.
And he was just like, have you ever explored this?
And I'm like, Nope, sure, haven't.
But sure, why not? We'll see.

(19:10):
We'll test the waters. I gotta ask you, has that
carried forward into a thing youhave explored elsewhere?
Was that a one time this is cooland I'm into it.
Or have you pursued that on yourown?
Very much like the one time, very into it.
And like I would say situationalbased, right.
Like I would say like isn't anything I'm like seeking out
explicitly, but like if it happens, I'm like, OK, sure,

(19:32):
let's do it. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, But yeah, that's what I would say.
What about you, Biscuit? Oh girl, I.
Let's get out the CVS for see, you know.
It was red and yellow and green and brown.
Yeah, like, totally Joseph. An amazing Technicolor
dreamcoat. No, I I also found myself
getting into Fistine on both sides of the fence.

(19:53):
Now here's the thing. I'm first of all, we've
established on the podcast I'm not a very large human being.
And my, my, my carriage, I don'thave childbearing hips, right.
So it's like there does come a point where if, especially if
I'm with a larger man who has got, I guess doesn't have to be
like, however they identify. But yes, with they've got

(20:16):
sizable hands and I'm doing the like Italian, hey, like the
hands up in the air like this, the little duck face.
And there comes a point where they're like, I'm sorry, I can't
go any farther so. But don't don't you know you got
bones? You know, but, but just just as
they said in Jurassic Park, lifefinds a way, and so does

(20:37):
Biscuit. And so, yeah.
She does. Absolutely have have definitely
explored actually, and one of mymy best sexual experiences in
life thus far has been while getting invested.
It was great. Oh yeah, bitch.
I I was like tasting colors thatI was seeing with my eyes
closed. It was like, yeah, I was.
Like yes. Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

(20:59):
But no I've and this is a well known fact among my friends.
I'm I have AI have a big like armpit fetish.
Yeah. For me, that I was like trying
it's I've reflected on this manya time.
Like how did this come to be? What what inspired this right?
Well, little ditty, Yeah. A little background.
Biscuit was a late bloomer when it came to, like, puberty and

(21:22):
everything. Oh yeah, girls, my voice didn't
change until I was a sophomore in high school.
So I was late, right? And as a result, so I'm like,
watching all of these boys progress.
And I was a singer, so I was like, always up in front of,
like, large audiences. And I was like, PA again, I was
just like the boy soprano. But then I'm watching all these

(21:44):
boys like train their bodies transforming and we've got like,
you know, gym class or whatever.And I'm starting to like notice
their changes And I'm like, well, where's mine?
And then I was just like, what? All these boys are changing, you
know, it's different and like a different.
I don't know. I just found it fascinating.
And I think it's just carried over and do I love it so?
And I found myself on the opposite, like I was like a very

(22:05):
early bloomer. I had the pit hair early on.
And everyone was like, Oh my gosh, you already have armpit
hair in like, you know, junior high, middle school.
And I'm like, I guess like I thought I'm like, yeah, get in
there, get after it. Help yourself.
Jonah, What? I guess if you could maybe talk
about maybe some of your favorite experiences that you've

(22:26):
had, like in the content creatorspace or like just like the
standouts. I know that's a loaded question.
It's such a big question and I'mgonna go back down into kinks.
Yeah, absolutely. Because on the notion of being
omnivorous and exploratory is that means that I've tried a
bunch of things, some of which I've loved, some of which I have

(22:49):
found I can have a a connection with sometimes or temporarily,
and some things I have do not want to have anything to do
with. Yeah.
And that's fair. Yeah, very.
Fair, like a mid ground thing. Something I can get into
sometimes is gunge slime. I have AI have a porn son which
is amusing because he's older than me.

(23:10):
But your coach in SF is a friendI've worked with a number of
times and I love that he has found a niche that he is so
excited about and with an audience that's here for it.
Which is green Nickelodeon styleslime poured over you during
sex. OK.
Wow. Which I found, I don't get off

(23:34):
on watching it, but doing it with somebody who's very into
it, I have a good time. That's one where I'm like, oh, I
can. I can get into the the mess and
the letting go and the reveling in this.
You're talking about it like I just keep thinking of like the
Nickelodeon slime, like shows like that's what I keep
envisioning. That's what it's taking me to
every time. That it's that it's gag.

(23:56):
Yeah. It's gag.
It's gag and you also have to like harp off your entire.
Apartment to do it? Yeah, exactly.
But also in San Francisco, trying something else that I did
not expect to be OK with. I hate being tickled.
I hate being tickled so much. I think my brain processed it as
I am being attacked. OK, that's no bueno.

(24:16):
No, no. But there is a kink Daddy in San
Francisco, Christopher Weston, who I am friends with and admire
and desire greatly. And we had been kind of like, I
love what you do, you're very hot.
I just don't know where we overlap.
And it was a friend linked me toa prop, which was a harmonica
ball gag. Wait.

(24:40):
Come on, Billy Joel. I'm obsessed.
I'm obsessed. Joel was not responsible for
this. A friend in my D&D group sent me
a picture of it and I went and tracked one down.
But then I showed it to to Christopher and he was like, I
know what we're doing. We're tying you up, gagging you
with that and tickling you. Oh, OK.
The combination of being bound so no matter how much I struggle

(25:04):
I can't do anything. Being with an experienced king
professional who knows what the fuck he's doing with a nervous
sub and a skill so that he knowsand loves and something as
ridiculous and like ungainly as a harmonica.
Harmonica. Yeah.
That was that was the right combination of things to make me

(25:25):
go like, cool, I can flail as much as I want.
I can't hit anybody because I'm tied up.
And no matter how dumb I look, I'm not going to be Dumber than
this harmonica sounds. So it's like the off balance,
but balance of it. All Yeah, I love that.
I do too. I'm upset like he like half
suspended me, had my legs in theair, like tickled me and rode my

(25:46):
Dick. It's fucking great.
I love. This yes.
I also, I don't think if you would have made me guess I ever
would have come to that conclusion.
No. Like, even if he would have
given, if you would have given me some hints, I wouldn't have
lent it there. So I love that.
So here. For it, yeah, absolutely.
Like I kind of want to find thissomewhere.

(26:07):
Did you guys record it? Yeah, it's boring of.
Course. Yes, fantastic.
I will be doing some searching later.
I'll link you to it. It's like back a year and a half
or so, so it's hard to find. Yeah.
And you know, if there's any question of did that change my
relationship to tickling? No, A friend tickled me two days
later and I I think I bit him. There was that fight response.

(26:33):
Yes, yes. So my my experience of tickling
has not changed. And to to cap it off, something
that I tried and went this is not for me.
Yeah. Balloons.
OK, there is like you could keepexpanding outward and outwards
into more and more fetishes thatyou've heard of less and less,
right. Yeah.
And the sexual appeal of balloons and the popping of

(26:55):
balloons is a thing. There are plenty of people who
are into it. I do not connect with it at all.
And somebody asked me to make them a one off video just for
them of this. And I did it.
And I also sat on a balloon to pop it and on the expand on the,
you know, the burst and the rapid movement of the rubber or
latex, I cut my balls. I'm.

(27:17):
Not Oh no, Oh no. Oh, that sounds horrible.
Not the injury of it all. It was painful and I also had
pieces of latex all over my bedroom for the next 6 months
and. You're like getting reminded
constantly. You're like that, that wound on
my balls in the corner of my bedroom.
My. God, it is fun to try this
thing. Sure.
I did not connect with it at all.

(27:38):
And there were what's the word that I want?
Not casualties, consequences. Yes, collateral damage.
I'm sorry, collateral. Damage.
Yes, Oh my God. Casualties.
There's something I really like that you said there about your
friend who was an experienced fetish and kink person, somebody

(27:59):
who is who you trusted, who you knew that you could go along
that journey with them and they would have your back every step
of the way. Yeah.
And I think that's something super interesting about the
fetish community because I foundno matter what you're into and
looking for, if you go to peoplewho truly are invested in that

(28:19):
type of fetish, they're invest. They want to share that, right?
They want to have that shared experience with people and
therefore are more likely to lean in and care.
It's a very caring community. They want you to have a good
time. Yes, absolutely.
I mean, I feel like whether it'sat Mal or IML, all the leather
conferences meant leather daddies are some of the nicest
guys. Like I just like some big old

(28:41):
bears that just want to give youa big old bear hug and I love
it. I just love it.
And then be a shit to you on thepodium surrounded by people.
Yeah, Yes, we're in the scene now.
And now, I mean, cool. We're done with the scene.
Are you OK? Yeah.
Yes. Can I get you something?
Can I get? You a cookie?
Oh my God, I had the best aftercare I got was Tom Roper
united me after blindfolding me,suspending me and fucking me.

(29:05):
He united me and then got me cookies and like drunk fresh
homemade chocolate chip cookies and lemonade.
Oh. My God, I.
Just lay on the floor with all my like rope Marks and like cum
drying on me. But homemade cookies?
Yeah, Oh my God. Hey, I mean nothing goes better
than sweet and salty, so. But I think in the people trying

(29:31):
out new stuff, I think there's atricky balance there, yeah.
Because when you're the more experienced person, you have to
do a mix of figuring out how to both drive and put the other
person in control at the same time.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're with somebody who, like, knows that they want to try
something. Also is the only one who can

(29:52):
express where their boundaries are, but they don't know what
those boundaries are yet. Yeah.
You have to do a lot of checkingin in a way that doesn't feel, I
don't know, that that still leaves you in charge, that the
person feels like they're they're being guided.
Yeah, I was going to say, what are what are some that either
you've used in the past when introducing or being introduced?

(30:14):
I think as the experienced person you're, you're offering
things, Hey, am I able to go harder right now?
Can I go a little harder with this?
Would you be into if I blindfolded you?
Can I invite the person who's watching over to touch you?
It's a here's a thing we can add.
How do you feel about this? Are you, Are you ready for that?

(30:36):
Are you into that? I love that.
Yeah, I do too. I've I've got to come up with
the ideas and I have to put themin front of you and let you
decide how you want to interact with them and as the new person.
Yeah, that's what I was just about to ask.
You have to communicate as much as you can manage, which is hard
when you're communicating about a thing that you don't know yet.
Right. But anything you can say is

(30:58):
helpful whether that's like a really clear like this is what I
want to try right now or if it'sa vague like I'm excited but I'm
nervous. Been telling me something as
vague as your emotional state helps me moderate what I bring
to you. Yeah, 100%.
Yeah. But it's OK to take breaks.
Like I feel some people are worried about breaking up the

(31:19):
experience. I'm like, Oh no, honey, we can.
We can resurrect her. Don't worry.
Yeah, we can get, we can make our way back in and if we don't,
we'll go a different direction, right?
We we love a pivot. Journey not the destination.
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah, no, 100%. I love that actually.
That's some great advice. No, I love that.
I absolutely love that. What what kind of, I guess I'm

(31:44):
trying to figure out how to workthis best.
Like what surprised you as you were starting to get into this a
little bit more? Like, I don't know, maybe maybe
it was exploring like these different things that maybe
didn't know existed until they were presented to you.
But like you were you're, you'rekind of talking about your
upbringing and then you dipped into the side of yourself that
you, you ended up finding out a lot about yourself through, I

(32:06):
would assume. So what surprised you as you
were kind of dipping your toe into this part of your life?
A thing that has surprised me ishow many people don't approach
pornography in the way that I am.
Like, pornography is a, is an expression of the self.
It is a, it is about, you know, exploration and growth and

(32:28):
creativity. Yeah.
And interconnectedness, it's about sharing ourselves with
each other. And every now and then I run
into somebody who is so turned off by that concept.
Really. It is, it is the story that you
hear about porn is that porn sexis like, you know, like just
like sort of bodies bumping intoeach other.
And because of the rise of fan sites, I don't encounter that

(32:51):
very much. Like, we now have a community of
people who make porn because they're excited about
exhibitionism and about sexual self-expression.
Every now and then, I run into somebody from the studio world,
and it's not most of the people from the studio world, but I run
into somebody who's like, I don't want to talk about how I
feel about any of this. I'm unable to articulate my
desires. I do want to be shot always from

(33:14):
this angle because that's where I look perfect.
I think there's, there's almost more perfectionism in the
imperfectionism. Like I, I find that like the,
we're all different. We're all like, and I just find
that it's all about the the unique experiences and the
differences that we have that make it so exciting.
And the dynamic between the two is what really like I mean,

(33:36):
we've said this in past episodes, but I am a big fan of
like, I want the background. I want to know what's going on
in their heads. Like how do we get here?
What's going? What is the dynamic?
What is the chemistry? Yes, bitch, let's Walter White
the fuck out of this porn scene.Let's go, bitch.
So yes, here for it. Reconsider that that analogy for
a moment. I want to go back though,

(34:00):
because you said something aboutlike the the variety and the
differences of the things that are great.
And I want to say about this, this archetype of a porn
performer who engages with pornography in a totally
different way than I do is that I don't think they're wrong for
it. Sure.
What I was surprised about is that there is such a a far
enough extreme away from what from how I do this that I don't

(34:20):
connect with it. That surprises me, but I don't
think it's bad. They just make it than what I
make, right? I love that.
Yeah, there are a. Lot of different ways to make
this and that is not the only way that is very different from
me, but right. Yeah, they're not wrong.
They're just different personal relationships to the work that
make a different product. My God, can we just?

(34:42):
Apply that to like the world right now like because I feel
like the world would be such a happier place if we did.
But Jonah for president like. No, no, I'm about it.
This all works really well for me because I don't have to work
for anybody. But imagine the scenes in the
Oval Office. I already fucked the Senate,
twink. Yes, yes, we've we, we're good.

(35:04):
Yes, shut that one up. Yes.
We actually can't, other than referencing Ms. that I don't
think we can actually lean into that too hard.
Yeah. That's OK, that's quite fine.
We all can leave that to the imagination.
Yep, Yep. Sure can.
Peace, love, blessings. So I'd like to pivot just a

(35:24):
little bit. I want to lead a little bit more
into the ideology of fetish or kink.
Innately, I think a lot of people define or consider fetish
and kinks as something outside of what is quote the
conventional norm. For me, I think I struggle a
little bit because it is perfectly normal to me that is
like it is biscuits reality. He loves to lean in into many,

(35:46):
many a thing. I don't know Jonah, what is your
take on that? Do you think that fetish is
technically defined by being outside of the conventional
norm? Yeah, I think that's a really
bad definition because nobody's norm is going to be the same.
Sure. Yeah, yeah.
For a thing that we so collectively do not talk about

(36:11):
culturally, yeah, like we don't.We could be defining what a
cultural norm of what sex is if we were able to talk about sex
culturally. Oh, my gosh.
And because we can't do that, sex itself is such a nebulous
concept. Yeah.
We can't define an ordinary experience out of that for there
to be an outside of the ordinaryexperience.

(36:31):
And I think for most people who have fetishistic desires, the
desires don't feel outside. It's just an aspect of the
things you want and the way you interact with them.
And they might feel dirty or scandalous or something, but
they probably don't feel accessory.
They're not a different kind of feeling than the rest of your.

(36:52):
Feelings. Yeah, yeah.
Oh my God, I love that too. This.
Well, I think on top of that, how would you talk to somebody
who is maybe interested in exploring certain aspects of the
King Kor fetish community, right?
Like maybe they have they think that there's an itch for
something and how would they potentially look into tapping
into that more? Oh, I mean, I, the question I

(37:14):
gotta ask is what's stopping them?
Are you stopped because you don't have you don't have an
easy access point to that thing or a teacher?
I think that like impact and bondage is a thing that you
learn really well by doing it with an instructor, with an
experienced person. But if it's a matter of like,
I'm hesitant, I'm nervous about trying this thing that I want.

(37:38):
I'm going to split the discomfort into two different
pieces. There is a discomfort about sex
and sexuality that you have to get over on your own of like
accepting yourself as a sexual being, accepting, accepting your
desires is OK and accepting thatother people may may be aware of
the fact that you were a sexual being.
Yes. The other piece is I think, I

(37:59):
hate to say the word culturally again, but I'm going to do it.
I think culturally we are hesitant to show too much of
ourselves. There's a, there's a reluctance
to expressing an opinion that isdifferent than the norm.
There is a, a feeling that show wearing your heart on your
sleeve is cringy. It's embarrassing.
It's it's something people are going to criticize or distance

(38:22):
for. And I think you just got to get
over that. Look, it's, it's one of the
things about like, get weird andget OK with it.
Have an opinion about a thing that's not one of the like
standard? Having an opinion on topics.
Yeah. Interestingly, I mean, my mind
immediately goes to the Internet, right?
So as it relates to exploring and the discovery of it all

(38:44):
right, we've got the world at our fingertips.
You can explore and see and justlook into and dabble if you as
they're all. And then perhaps from there, if
you want to take it a step further, certainly you could
look into communities like that.On the flip side of this,
though, talking about the hesitancy to show up as or show

(39:05):
as much of you in the true senseof you in those perhaps
dynamics. You almost have that true in how
people show up certainly and within, say the likes of a
curated social media platform. But then as you said earlier,
with the rise of things like content sharing sites and
creators, certainly I think there have been communities of

(39:26):
various fetishes and kinks that have come up within those.
And almost, I think rises almostlike a counterculture in a way
to what these conventional normsor other curated types of views
could be. I don't know.
What do you think? I think this is sort of about
the freeform sharing of like kink communities.
Yeah, yeah. I think this is a unique thing

(39:48):
that exists now because we have X-rated social media and we have
self-made porn generation, is that you can really scale up how
much you want to share yourself in a public medium to whatever
your comfort level is. Your sexual self-expression to a
wider audience is a thing that you can moderate as much now as

(40:09):
how you dress. Yeah, and I think that's
excellent. I think the effect that you can
do it anonymously is also really.
Terrific. Yeah.
I want to try something out and I want to try it out in front of
people. And I want to see how what it
feels like to engage with an this is.
I think still I'm going to look at this primarily through the
exhibitionist side of it, but I get to try out how I feel

(40:30):
relating to viewers experiencingme in a way that doesn't impede
my safety, that doesn't threatenmy my life or my reputation.
I think that's excellent, incredible.
I think it is healthy. Yeah, because then it goes into
whatever that person's comfort level is, right.
So if you're comfortable puttingyourself completely out there
facing all like you, you definitely can.

(40:50):
But that's a really good point that you bring up because you're
you're, you can put yourself outthere in whatever circumstances
that you want it to be. You have a lot of control over
how you are perceived and what risks you're taking in it.
Totally. Related, there is a there's a
sex club in Palm Springs. I don't remember what it's

(41:10):
called. Club 541 or something, it's a
set of numbers. Club numbers?
Yep. Yeah.
But the thing that I like about it is that it's a bunch of
smallish rooms that are like slings or glory holes or
platforms or whatever. And each of these rooms has a
different door structure. Sometimes that is like just an

(41:30):
open doorway. Sometimes it's it's a doorway
with a curtain, sometimes it's adoor with a lock, sometimes it's
a door with a lock and a window.And each of them has a different
viewing capability, whether that's there's a just a full
wall of bars or there's a small window, or there's a window in
the door that can be shut, or there's a glory hole or there's
no openings whatsoever. You are able to very much to

(41:54):
your comfort level. Set how much you want to be
viewed and how much you want to be joined.
OK. Yeah, it gives you a lot of
flexibility to define your exhibitionism and persuasion
there. Which I really.
Like about that space? Are there a lot of rooms or like
what's the? Yeah, it's, it's not a, it's not

(42:15):
a huge venue, but it's got probably 10 or so different
separated off spaces outside of the like more public rooms.
It's giving like levels in a video game.
Yeah. You know what I mean?
Like you can level up or level however you want.
I like. That can't wait to meet the
boss. Yeah.

(42:37):
This is shifting a little bit, but I just wanted to wanted to
ask what was your, your aha moment when you realize like
this is something that you coulddo that you wanted to do, you
wanted to continue to pursue andthat you're like, wait, I can I
can do this for a living. This is what I want to do
permanently, right? This is a really easy, a really
specific moment this happens, and it happens before I get

(42:59):
started. I have wanted to make
pornography since I was 19. Because.
I didn't do it for a long time because I for all of my 20s, I
was AI, was a theater musician. I was doing Broadway, Off
Broadway stuff as like a pianist, A conductor, an
arranger, and I knew that sex work would get in the way of my
reputation. It would be a problem for me

(43:21):
professionally to be a publicly sexual individual.
And then around 2020, I'm like, well, now I'm too old.
I'm in my 30s. I'm a bit too weird and I'm a
bit too old. And I'm like, I don't have a
particular body and nobody's gonna really connect with this.
I missed the opportunity. And I go home from the cop one
night with this porn actor Joel someone.
I find out that he's a porn actor in the cab.

(43:43):
Yes. And when we're at his place, we
film a little bit of us having sex.
And I talk about how I'd always wanted to make porn and but I
felt like I couldn't do it in like the moment it cast.
And he puts 30 seconds of it on his Twitter and it goes viral.
Yes, in a way that makes me go, oh, something about me totally

(44:04):
unguarded, unprepared and unpracticed.
He's appealing to people. This can happen.
Yeah. Everything I was worried about
isn't real in the way that I thought it was.
Right. And I, you know, I think
everything I was worried about is real in the range of if I
wanted to be a young man doing studio porn, you know, I would

(44:26):
never have been right for that. And that's not the kind of porn
that I make. And it's not the only kind of
porn that there is since about 10 years ago, Yeah.
Yeah. My gosh, I I'm just imagining a
younger Joan off, but you know, five years ago, all of a sudden
going this little out of mine, I'm gonna let it shine, you
know, just like full chorus, yes.

(44:47):
You can really see it in the video together because it's like
Joel pulling my legs back and showing off my hole and talking
about it. Fuck yeah.
Oh. Yes, it's six years ago last
month. So like the video's still out
there. It's very, it's very viewable.
So yeah. I'm also just imagining like,
what's going through your mind in that moment too, that you're
like, OK, this is something thatI wasn't really sure of myself

(45:08):
that I could do. And then you kind of like got
pushed, not in a bad way, right?But you kind of got like pushed
into this moment of, oh, OK, well, this happened and now OK,
people like it and I'm in the. Spotlight and people are kind of
into it. OK, Yeah.
OK, this maybe this is for me, it's about.
Two days later when I figured out like, oh, this has taken off

(45:30):
and people are into it. And I remember sitting on the
train. It was on the subway.
It was on the F train. And OK, I have to talk to my
partner about this because now Ihave to make porn.
Yeah, I've always wanted this. And I have to take the
opportunity while it's here. I've got to go for it.
And we have to figure out how this fits into our lives.
Well, it's, I mean, you guys have clearly made it work.

(45:52):
And that is, I love that. I mean, so the how as a creator,
I mean, how did that conversation go?
How? How did you approach that
dialogue? It was like a year and a half of
us talking how to figure it out because that was March of 2019,
and I didn't formally get started until August of 2020.
Wow. Yeah.
But it was a like, what does this look like for us?
What are our boundaries around it?

(46:12):
What are our questions, our concerns?
What are the opportunities this provides?
What are the dangers of it? What do we need to keep for
ourselves? What is actually not a concern
for either of us. Yeah, I didn't have to do it
fast. So we were able to really take
our time in getting accustomed. Well, I love that and I love the
different dynamics or dimensionsthat you approach that.
I mean, I love the what do we keep for ourselves?

(46:35):
That to me like stood out and shined.
It's like, well, that's kind of that's really beautiful when you
think about that, not only in like the the likes of say
boundaries and and such, but truly what is what is special
and what do we define as specialand how do we keep that sacred?
It's really cute. What I mean, I guess like just
within the, the community of folks that you're working with,
like is that, is that a similar experience?

(46:57):
Like are people having those types of conversations?
Do you know, creators date each other?
Did you know, like do you have any type of insight into that,
that world of the of your world?Creators date each other.
There's a lot of people who got into this together who were in
relationships where both partners got into it.
I think it is difficult to date non creators as a creator.

(47:17):
I think if you are making porn as a single person can often be
challenging to start dating non porn people because it's the
relationship of making both yoursex and yourself a product for
an audience. Can be hard to apportion the
space with a partner when you have cordoned off so much of

(47:38):
yourself to share with an audience.
Yeah, it's still a complicated thing for me now, even though
that we, like my partner and I figured out how this works.
But I, I still, you know, have to maintain the balance of I'm
trying to like, you know, cut out a big enough piece of pie to
share with the world and a big enough pie to share with them.
Yeah. It's tricky.

(47:58):
It's always gonna be tricky. What have you found to be
helpful in that? Oh, remembering that I can step
away for longer than I think I can.
OK. I can, I can diminish how much
I'm giving for a little while tothe audience, and that's OK.
That's going to come and go in waves anyway.

(48:19):
Yeah. There'll be times when I'm very,
you know, prominently in front of people and people are very
aware of me. And that's, those are times when
I feel like I'm giving a lot. And there are times when there's
not much I can do to get in front.
And that's a great time for me to not worry about it so much
and, like, put that sharing on the back burner and share with
people close to me more. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, I love that.

(48:40):
Yeah. I've heard the whole like today
I've got 80% and you've got 20%.Like we can help make each other
more whole. And in the time that we invest
in and the care that we invest in each other and what we keep
sacred. And so that is that is
beautiful. I wanted to pivot slightly so
it's not, you know, kind of coming back a little bit more to

(49:01):
fetish topics more specifically.I've got two questions for you.
I guess it's well two, but the second one's A2 parter, so I'm
complicated the. Because there's other questions
have just been very straightforward and to the
point, yeah. You know me very roundabout,
biscuit. Can you give that to me again?
Maybe in the form of a question?Sorry, ChatGPT.

(49:25):
I have been recovering from surgery for the past month and a
half and I have not really been out of the house so my brain is
not well socialized. I was just going to say the
socialization levels are low. Yeah, you've got to give me a
direct question or I just can't format, you know, the ability to
talk about it yet. Yeah, 100%.
I think that's fair. That's fair.
I love it. OK.

(49:45):
So question one, would you say and for our listeners, is there
a gateway fetish, something to help people ease into exploring?
I don't think so because it's such a wide range of interests
and experiences that are so unique to each person.

(50:07):
Like I think what feels like theobvious thing when you think of
fetish is BDSM bondage and and paddles and blindfolds and like
leather gear feel like the obvious thing that fetish is.
But like, that's just not a thing that everybody connects
with. Yeah, like very little of that

(50:27):
is of interest to me. Then none of those are my kinks.
Sure. So I, you know, there's there's
not really a there's not really a gateway.
You got to go in the direction of the things that interest you.
Yeah, follow your light. Yeah, yes.
Like bring bring good communication with you wherever
you go. Yeah.
That is, we're talking. Yep, Yep, correct.
Of this podcast absolutely like girls you got to talk you know

(50:50):
that if we could all just communicate better well we'd
have a lot more feral fun and also probably the world would be
a better place Yep correct OK, so the second question and it's
kind of A2 parter but. So 3 all.
Right. What are the do's and don'ts
that you would recommend when itcomes to approaching all things
fetish? I mean, the Do's we just said

(51:10):
the big one, which is communicate, express yourself,
even if that is unclarity or weakness or whatever negative
thing you're feeling about it. Yeah, share that because that is
a thing that people can help youwith.
Yeah, either to, you know, grab you from under the arms and lift
you with that knowledge or, like, help settle you down and

(51:33):
give you the break you need. Yeah, that's the big DO and the
big don't is don't feel like youhave to do anything.
Yeah, yeah. What are I guess to kind of go
on that and just like, I guess as generalities, the best, if
you maybe take like the best experience you've had with
another creator versus maybe andnot worst as in like it was a

(51:53):
terrible experience, but just not the best, right?
Like what are the, I guess, likegreen flags that you're like,
Yep, that was something really amazing and it's going to do
well online or I had a really good time.
And then the other, the flip side of that of yeah, I don't
know how I felt leaving that situation.
I mean, I really have to say forthe purposes of making porn, the
feeling of, oh, that was really great.

(52:15):
And that really wasn't. He's so uncorrelated with how it
plays to an audience. Sure.
OK, that makes sense. There's so many times that I've
left a scene being like, I didn't connect with that very
much at all. We did our best, but I'm not
sure there's anything there. And then put it online and oh,
that actually worked great. OK.
And things that I'm like, oh, that was, that was sparky and

(52:37):
connected and incredible and felt great and just doesn't
resonate. Do you think that's a function
of of things like technology andthe like, the cameras and this
like of that, or do you think it's just just the nature of the
game? I think there's just too many
variables. I think that's fair.
You know, there's so many other things happening that are a part
of it that, you know, the, the connection and the, the facility

(53:00):
and the, the internal feelings are just a couple of factors
among so many. Yep.
Well, you never know what somebody's going to like or not
like, right? Like you might, you might end up
on an algorithm that you didn't know that you were going to end
up on, you know? And then all of a sudden, yes
and baby yes. What's the place that y'all have
explored that you've been like? You know what, I tried this but
I don't think this is for me. Oh, well, I talk about in an

(53:24):
episode earlier this season whenI was riding a guy and he just
started to piss inside me. There is no communication except
for when he grabbed me to hold me down.
And then I was very concerned about gravity.
Yeah, but we made it work. And it wasn't necessarily
something that I I get into actively.

(53:47):
But similar to what you said before, for me, I get very
turned on when somebody else gets turned on like that.
To me, it's almost like the. I don't know if it's even just
the pleasing side of it, but seeing somebody else's
excitement is just like, oh, let's go, girls.
Like, yes, Full Shania, full Shania kicked down the door.
Like yes. The saloon doors wide open.

(54:11):
Maybe yes. I guess actually hearing you
talk about I and I, I feel like for me it was because I was
young and I kind of felt in the situation that I like, needed to
do it right. But it was a guy wanted me to
piss in his mouth and I was just, it was the first time I'd
ever been asked to do something like that.
And it wasn't like anything we talked about.
We met up and it just turned into that.

(54:32):
And I felt like I had to. And so I left and I was like, so
it just like gave me like a weird feeling because I felt
like I was forced to do it almost.
But I just like, you know, in hindsight's 2020, right, Like I
should have said something communication, you know what I
mean? But I just I was young.
I was probably like 19. That's right.
But like, just a little baby. But I feel like because of that,

(54:55):
I'm like, OK, if that were something, it'd be like, I feel
like that's just something that I wouldn't want to jump right
into again, Yeah. You know.
That's fair. You have data on that now?
Yes, Yes. Exactly, exactly getting all the
data. 100% So I do have a very, this is a very random question
and it's just, I just happened to remember this.

(55:17):
There was a meme or a picture that was taken.
It was from like 1 building in New York to a sex party in New
York. Yes.
Is that you in there? It sure is.
Yeah, fuck yes. It it goes viral again like
every three months. Yes.
Because some girl did a TikTok about finding this blue couch on

(55:41):
the street and, you know, cleaning it up and like bringing
it into her house. And somebody photoshopped that
couch into the middle of this group of men having sit naked,
having sex in an apartment shot from a different apartment.
Folding the blue couch is not inthe original shot, but it's
edited in enough that people believe it.
And it's gone viral several times for that.

(56:02):
It's also gone viral several times just for the like the
trashiness of of homosexual men who gather like this.
Like meanwhile, have you been toone 'cause they are such a
fucking blast? It's we're shooting the porn
scene, right? Yeah, we're shooting Control Z
Alts 12 Loads of Christmas Bukaki scene for 20/23/2022.

(56:29):
My God, I love that. Was he a good boy?
Was he naughty? Was he nice?
It's great he does this yearly. He's he's excellent.
The neighbor is, I think the fuck buddy of his.
We knew the neighbor was there. We didn't know he was taking a
picture. Oh my God.
It's good that me and Control Z Alt are the two people you can
identify in that picture becausenot everybody in that shop is a

(56:52):
face out performer. Sure.
I've been meaning to ask you that for like, you know, since
I've known you because it's justlike it because it would make it
would make a resurgence. And I was like, damn, is that?
Here's a stupid thing happened several times and I learned to
stop doing it is when that comesup, me and me and the guy who
were was throwing the thing, it would comment somewhere and

(57:14):
like, OK, that's us. The problem is when this goes
viral in straight people's faces, because then they'll
click through to our Instas and go oh, oh, homosexuals report,
report, report. Oh no.
When that goes viral in straightenvironments, if I get tagged to
it, I get a wave of penalties. Oh gosh.

(57:38):
Well, that stinks, but yeah. That's being on Instagram and
TikTok. Well, again, again, if only we
could just, you know, have a more sexually open, correct the
culture, correct one day. I do believe if we could all
just be like Berlin, Berlin is just a beautiful city to go out
and party in because I just found, like, it was every walk

(58:00):
of life and everybody was just doing what they did.
I was dancing up on like, straight guys that didn't even
know it. And then they were like, oh,
sorry, this isn't my thing, you know?
And I was like, oh, OK, yeah, just moved right along.
Like, it was great. We had a wonderful time.
Beautiful. Beautiful.
Well, this was just a lovely little dialogue on on all things
that is kink, the industry, content creation and Jonah,

(58:23):
you're so. Fucking insightful, thank you
for letting me talk. Yeah, absolutely.
I'm glad we could start socializing you back into
society. I appreciate it.
I think I'm fingers crossed within the next week I'm gonna
be able to start leaving the house.
So OK. Big news.
I'll have to see people but I don't even know and have to talk
to them so. Well, thank you.

(58:46):
Well, we look forward to your more content creation days
ahead. I'm excited to resume them.
Yes. OK, Biscuit.
Well, what did you think about that conversation with Jonah?
I mean, honestly, I'm inspired. I'm thrilled.
Slightly very turned on. Yeah, I was.
I was just gonna say I was getting a little hot and
bothered there a few times. I know I'm like, I should have

(59:06):
put a butt plug in before this conversation, no?
So truly lots of great takeaways.
I hope our listeners also are getting a lot of goodies out of
this. Yeah, some little Nuggets, if
you will. Yeah.
So once again, extra special thank you to our exhibitionist,
an extra special guest, Jonah Wheeler.

(59:26):
So thank you Jonah for all the insights, the Intel and just the
good love, the good vibes. And honestly, like, I feel like
we talked about it in the episode, but just like having
such a casual and open conversation about things like
that, you know, our quote UN quote taboo, if you want to say
that, like making them less taboo.
I loved it. Yes, it was amazing.
Yes, next door, taboo, and you know all the others well.

(59:48):
With that, from our fair relationship to yours, I'm Pete.
And I'm Biscuit. And remember.
Have fun, get fucked and get feral.
Bye girlies.