April 8, 2025 • 33 mins
In this pilot episode of the Finding Hope Podcast, world-renowned TV personality John Tesh invites Charlie & Jill to his podcast, directing very poignant questions toward the tender and often misunderstood subject of losing their 23 year-old son. The discussion touches on how they survived the trauma of this tragedy, and why they wrote and released their first book about it.
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Charlie LeBlanc (00:05):
Hi. My name is Charlie LeBlanc.
Jill LeBlanc (00:08):
And I'm Jill LeBlanc. And we are so blessed
that you have joined us heretoday. We have a lot to share.
The Lord has brought us throughsome really tragic times in our
lives and given us hope again.He has helped us find hope.
Charlie LeBlanc (00:26):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (00:26):
And we wanna help you find hope again. We want to
help you be able to get throughwhat you never asked for.
Charlie LeBlanc (00:36):
Right. Amen. You know, pain is something that
everyone experiences in life.And so often, we don't really
know what to do with that pain,and we don't know how to find
help to get through the pain.And with our loss, and Jill will
tell you a little bit about thatin a moment, but we reached out
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to others and people helped us,and we wanted to be that for
you.
We wanted to be someone that wecould you could turn to and say
help, and that we would havewords of comfort, words of
ministry to you that would helpyou get through your difficult
time. That's our heart in thisthing.
Jill LeBlanc (01:15):
Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So we wrote a book
called When Loss Comes Close toHome, and it's a two part book.
The first half is for those whoare walking through the valley
of the shadow of death.
And just we share things that welearned along the way that were
so helpful that God imparted toour hearts. And then in the
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second half of the book, it'sfor those walking beside the
ones going on that journey andjust to help you to be a better
supporter. We wanted to tellyou, some people that got ahold
of our book are our friends Johnand Connie Tesh. And John Tesh,
I remember him from years ago.He was one of the hosts of
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Entertainment Tonight, and Ijust thought he was kinda cute.
And then I saw that he was thisvirtuoso piano player. I
remember one of the Macy'sThanksgiving Day parades. He was
on a float playing this massivegrand while singing and I
thought, wow. You know, I was soenamored.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:19):
So I didn't realize that my wife had a crush
on John Tesh until now.
Jill LeBlanc (02:23):
It wasn't really a crush. Anyway, they they we met
them through the years and theyloved our book and wanted to get
the message out. Yeah. So heinvited us to come and do an
interview.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:36):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (02:36):
So we wanna share some of that interview with you
today and he asked some prettyhard questions, things that we
weren't necessarily expecting,but it's very raw and candid,
and, we're just gonna share thefirst part of it today, and our
future episodes will share moreof it.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:55):
And we hope you enjoy this interview with John
Tesh, and we'll be back rightafter the interview to share a
few more things with you.
John Tesh (03:02):
Hey. It's John Tesh. And coming up, you're going to
have a unique opportunity tolearn powerful strategies that
you and I can use to fight backagainst the debilitating effects
of loss and the grief and theheartbreak that always go along
with it. It could be losing ajob, the loss of a pet, a
divorce, or the unimaginable,the loss of a child. Charlie and
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Jill LeBlanc could never haveimagined nor were they prepared
to have their 23 year old son Botaken from them by cancer.
Their story of descending intohell, fighting back and
ultimately emerging victoriouswith a unique mission and
purpose to help others has beentruly inspiring to me and my
wife Connie. Hey guys, it'sgreat to see you.
Charlie LeBlanc (03:43):
Hi John.
Jill LeBlanc (03:44):
Hi John.
Charlie LeBlanc (03:44):
Thank you so much.
Jill LeBlanc (03:45):
Yeah, thanks.
John Tesh (03:45):
I wanna get started here and wanna take you back to
the the day before you lost yourdear son. What was life like
twenty four hours before youlost him?
Jill LeBlanc (04:01):
Our house was full of people. We had, um, Beau had
just come out of the hospitaland basically given, you know,
there's nothing else we can dofor you. So he wanted to go back
home, and and people got wordand just started filling our
home. They just started coming,And we had a piano down there in
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the room where Bo was. We had adownstairs family room.
And so we just had worship goingon worship and prayer going on
all day. And, in the evenings,it would even get bigger, and
friends were just there bringingfood and just just it it the
support group was incredible.
Charlie LeBlanc (04:45):
It was amazing. People would drop in and and,
you know, obviously wanna comeand pray for him as well. So,
you know, we hear a knock on ourdoor, someone would come down
with a guitar and sing over himand, and worship and, like Jill
said, and and then prophesy overhim as well. So, yeah, it was
interesting. And then that night
Jill LeBlanc (05:08):
Yeah. That night, our both of our daughters had
come in town, and those two ofhis cousins and two very close
friends came in. And so theywere going to stay with Beau
down in the basement that nightwhile we got to go to our own
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bed together for the first timein several nights.
And so later I mean, an hourafter we went to bed, one of our
daughters came knocked on thedoor and said, Beau's throwing
up. And so we both just raceddownstairs, and he had actually
aspirated on, you know, thethrowing up, and and he was just
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gone that fast. Yeah. But wetried our best. You know?
And, you know, prayer, I mean,just went from here to you know,
everyone's just praying andshouting his name, and and we're
doing CPR. We're just doingwhatever we can. And and, you
know, Charlie's trying to callhim back into his body, and all
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of a sudden, you know, it justit just became very chaotic
there for a little bit. And thenafter the after a few minutes,
it just kind of we just kind ofentered into a mode of just
worshiping and praying and justexpecting for Beau to come back
into his body, into body that hewould be to breathe again
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because cancer had filled bothlungs.
So he couldn't breathe anymore,and, that's why it was so easy
to aspirate. So, we just so, youknow, it morphed from all that
beautiful worship and housefilled with people. And, you
know, as it got later into thenight, you know, the house
emptied out except for the sixthat I mentioned. And so it went
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from all this beautiful,glorious, heavenly presence of
God and, yeah, to this you know?
Charlie LeBlanc (07:10):
Nothingness.
Jill LeBlanc (07:10):
Even you know, our son was was ill. He became
diagnosed nine months earlier,and we watched the decline.
There were a few high moments,but then it you know, we'd have
more bad news, and it just kindawas a roller coaster. And then
it but it was, like, you know, aroller coaster that kinda kept
declining with some high spotsand and then more low spots
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along the way. And so, you know,to to most people I mean, we
could see that our son wasdeclining, but we were just
believing God that he was notgonna We we just stood on so
many scriptures that that, youknow, that Jesus provided our
healing on the cross and withhis stripes, we were healed.
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And so it just all of a sudden,things changed really fast. So
it was kind of like a suddendeath to us, but even though it
it had been a nine month suddendeath, if you know what I mean.
John Tesh (08:07):
Right. And and I think people probably have have
figured it out, but you guyshave been have been pastors
basically your whole life. Notonly not only pastors but but
worship music, worship pastorsas as well. And so the the
outpouring of love from yourcommunity must have been I mean,
did I hear that that a thousandpeople showed up for Beau's
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funeral?
Charlie LeBlanc (08:31):
Yes. Yes. It was packed. And we had a lot we
you know, we're from we hadlived. We'd got married, met
him, got married in Saint Louis,and and so we've been there a
long time.
We had lots of friends. Andbeing in ministry, as as you
know, and being an entertainer,you know, you are exposed to a
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lot of people. And so we justmade a lot of great friends
through the years. So, yeah, itwas a lot of love, a lot of
support, and the funeral waspacked. And that was very, very
helpful and and very comforting.
I know I don't wanna get intothe meat of the of the subject
too quickly, but, but, you know,people say, well, I don't go to
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funerals. You know? Or I didn'tknow him or whatever. Or, you
know, I just don't do funerals.You know?
Well, listen...
John Tesh (09:19):
Yeah. How many years ago was this?
Charlie LeBlanc (09:23):
Fifteen. It's been fifteen now.
John Tesh (09:26):
Yeah. Yeah. And and so not long ago, you decided to
write this this book, When LossComes Close to Home, which both
Connie and I, my wife and Ifound fascinating because I even
said this, I lost my wholefamily to cigarette smoking.
Charlie LeBlanc (09:46):
Wow.
John Tesh (09:47):
Been through a cancer battle and all of that. I said
do I really, I mean these areremarkable people, but do I
really wanna read about whatthey went through? Which sounds
harsh, but you know what I'mtalking about. What I love about
this book is that it's the kindof it's the kind of book that
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anybody can use. I mean, it's aroad what you've done here is
you've you've taken yourexperience and hey, we can talk
about this, but this losing achild, I would say breaks up the
majority of or at least a largeportion of partners, of couples.
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And instead, and I'm sure thisis because of your faith, but
instead you flipped it aroundand turned it into really a
Swiss pardon the, you know, thebad analogy, but the a Swiss
army knife for for dealing withwith with grief.
So, you know, one of the firstquestions I wanna ask you is why
write a book like this knowingthat it would bring up an
enormous amounts of pain. Butwhen did you make the decision
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that you were gonna go becauseyou have to you gotta write, you
wrote it together, you did theaudiobook together. When did you
make the decision that you weregoing to be able to to do this
without without crumbling?
Charlie LeBlanc (11:08):
Well, you know, we've obviously, after Beau
passed, we went through a lot ofturmoil. But at some point,
remembered I thought I reallyneed to be journaling. Something
inside of me said, I need towrite this down. I need to
remember. I want, I wanna beable to communicate what this
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feels like or at least rememberit for me personally because
those those beginning months ofdays and months, I mean, it was
dreadful.
And so we just started writing,both of us journaling and
writing, and then it was, Idon't know, how many years later
that we just said you know, wesort of think, can we wanna help
others. You know, scripture saysto to comfort others with the
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same comfort you've received. Soas the Lord began to touch us
and heal us and help us moveforward, then we felt a
responsibility then to try tohelp others because we had run
into several people that werevery stuck in their grief and in
their sorrow and they could notget out. And we understand that
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because we were right there, wewere right there on that edge as
well.
John Tesh (12:16):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (12:16):
But at the same time, we did see God help us get
through that and start to win inour pain. And so as we started
to feel better and see thatGod's grace and help and comfort
were really healing our brokenhearts, we felt a responsibility
then to say, from the platformthat God has given us, we need
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to share this. We need to try tohelp others.
John Tesh (12:40):
Yeah. And we're gonna talk about in a moment here,
we're going to talk about theother side of this, which is,
and we've actually talked aboutthis on our radio show before,
which is how do you talk to yourfriends, your family members who
have suffered loss? And as Imentioned at the top of this
video, it could be any grief cancome from many different places.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:05):
Yeah.
John Tesh (13:06):
And sometimes it's simple, sometimes it's more
complicated.
So we're going to talk aboutthat. I wanna talk about your
relationship because, know,Connie and I, my wife and I have
had these conversations before,my gosh, we lost our grandkid,
you know, what would or a child,our our son and daughter, you
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know, what would we what wouldwe do? And I just I wonder how
you two got along after thisthis happened. You know, how
were you able and did youprocess it differently?
Charlie LeBlanc (13:43):
Yes. I looked at Jill because I wanna see if
she wants to answer, but I willsay this, that at our home, the
day that Beau passed, a lot ofpeople came over again to
minister to us, to love on us,to comfort us. And there was a
pastor there that pulled measide and he said, Charlie, he
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said, I don't know if you'reaware, but he said and I was not
aware, he said, but a lot ofcouples that lose children
really struggle and a lot ofthem don't make it in their
marriage. And and I'd neverheard that before. Of course, we
didn't know anything about lossof a child.
And he says, so I just wanted togive you that so that you can
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guard your marriage, you can youcan fight for your marriage in
the midst of this grieving timeyou may go through. So that that
just helped us.
Jill LeBlanc (14:36):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (14:36):
You know? And and so from that point on, we
started to say, okay. We talked.We said, we need to protect our
marriage because we know this isgonna be hard. Because when I'm
hurting, I want someone to helpme and my wife is hurting, she
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can't help me because she'shurting and vice versa.
And so it was a very complexsituation, but we determined
from the start that we weregonna support each other and
that we were gonna let eachother grieve the way that that
that we needed to grieve and andthat we would support each other
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and be patient with each other.That was a really big important
thing. And communicate. And,again, we don't have degrees on
marriage counseling or anythinglike that. We didn't know what
we were doing, but by the graceof God, we just started saying,
okay, we're gonna be patientwith each other.
So I told Jill, I said, If I'mgrieving and hurting one day,
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I'm gonna just tell you inadvance so that if I bite at you
or don't or answer you harshly,you'll realize that it's not
anything against you, but I'mjust having a tough day. You
know? So we both we kinda wentinto that mode, which really
helped us a lot. And there's alot more we could say about
that, things that ministered toher, didn't minister to me, and
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vice versa. So we you know,grief is very unique and it what
the process you go through, thepain you go through is
individual and and differentthings will help me that didn't
help Jill.
There were certain songs thathelped me that didn't help Jill.
There were certain pictures ofBeau that really blessed her
that I didn't wanna see becauseit hurt me more to look at a
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picture of my son. But it reallyblessed her. So I had to respect
that, and I had to say, okay.This is helping her.
You know, out of self interest,I could have said, put that
away. That's hurting me. Youknow? But the Lord helped us to
say to each other, if this ishelping you, that's fine. I'm
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just gonna back off a little bitand let you get ministered to.
And she did the same with me. Sothat that was a real important,
thing that helped us in ourgoing through it. Yeah.
John Tesh (17:02):
Was guilt ever a factor in this? I can't imagine
how it would be. I mean, youguys are such amazing parents.
Charlie LeBlanc (17:09):
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It definitely was, John.
You know, so many things toconsider about guilt. You know,
me being the head of the house,the father, I should have had
the faith to raise my son.
I should have to raise him fromthe dead, to keep him healthy. I
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should have had the faith torebuke this thing. Oh, gosh. You
would the the guilt, the thecondemnation, the pointing of
the finger from the enemy at me.I mean, I wanted to just bury
myself.
I mean, I really wanted to just,you know, go underneath a bridge
in Downtown Saint Louis and justdrink the rest of my life away.
But so, yeah, guilt and andcondemnation and then, you know,
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did we make the right choices?Maybe we should have gone to
this doctor or that doctor ormaybe we should have fasted more
and prayed more. Maybe if Iwould have just, you know,
isolated myself and didn't doanything for those nine months
but prayed, didn't eat for ninewhatever. You know?
Yeah. There's just all these youknow, scripturally, I don't
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wanna sound too religious, butfiery darts that come out at
you. The Bible says to cast downimaginations and anything that
exalts itself against theknowledge of God and bring every
thought captive to the obedienceof Christ. And so at some point,
we had to start doing that. Itwasn't easy, but we knew that
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the enemy was not a he took ourson, but he he he was he was
also trying to destroy us,trying to destroy our marriage,
trying to destroy our ministry,and and, you know, and we just
refused to let him.
We just said, no. We're notgonna let him do that. So that's
kinda...
John Tesh (19:02):
Yeah. And I'm struck by the thought that I've mostly
had when I've known people whohave who have lost a child,
young child, adult child ispeople always think about the
parents. Yeah. But when you hadother kids, what what effect did
this have on them?
Jill LeBlanc (19:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Beau was the youngest of three and
had two older sisters. So theywere five years apart. And so he
he would the oldest is fiveyears older than him, and then
the next one is three and a halfyears older than him.
So two sisters, and they wereall very close, very close knit.
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And especially the oldest one, Imean, they were like two peas in
a pod and talked almost everyday on the phone and best
friends. And then, you know, theother sister, the the middle
child, you know, she had becomereally close with Beau during
his illness because she hadmoved home from Australia. So
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she became they became reallyclose during that time. So even
to this day, they you know,they're they're really wounded,
and it's it's hard on us to seethat. You know?
And, you know, we all have justyou know, we all share this same
wound together, but, you know,our path's a little different
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than their paths on, you know,the how we've just walked. So
it's been very hard on them.
Charlie LeBlanc (20:39):
Very hard.
Jill LeBlanc (20:40):
You know, they're doing their best to survive, and
they have some good friends thatthey can share with and and and
just open up to but we but we weare still very close, and we can
talk and, you know, share thingswith people.
Charlie LeBlanc (20:56):
The blessing is that we do live close to them,
and they both have two littleboys apiece, which we so we have
four grandsons, which has been areal blessing. And so it's kept
our family, very close. Like Isaid, we live, like, ten minutes
from each of them. And so, yeah,that's been very healthy.
But, yeah, it broke their heart.I mean, I don't wanna get too
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graphic here, but the momentthat Beau passed and I had to
just say, okay, guys, you know,we're just releasing him to the
Lord. We can't you know, becausewe prayed for quite a while for
the Lord to raise him raise himup. So but once I've made the
decision that we, you know, wecouldn't go anymore, the
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wailing, the screaming, thecrying was beyond belief. You
know, the scripture says thatthat when the two year olds were
getting slaughtered, that Rachelcried out for her children and
and would refuse to becomforted.
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You know, it's like the screamof that. I can't imagine the
mothers in that moment that sawtheir two year olds getting, you
know, murdered right in front ofthem. But that kind of pain was
was the same at least in in alot of ways to what we
experienced at that moment. Andso our daughters, they they're
doing well. They have theirchildren.
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They have their families. Theythey have to press on. But you
know? And we do get together onon the anniversaries of his
passing as well as his birthday.We get together with with our
children, and we just go out todinner and we'll share things
and maybe look at pictures andjust love on each other, just be
there for each other. You know?
Just being there is soimportant, and we talk a lot
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about that in the book as wellabout the power of just being
present, not only us as afamily, but in so many other
ways, being present to helppeople in their times of need.
John Tesh (22:56):
And now you two have have have taken the next step
and and written this book WhenLoss Comes Close to Home. And so
I wonder, when did what wouldBeau think of you writing this
book? Maybe that'll give me moreof an idea of his personality.
Charlie LeBlanc (23:18):
Well, he'd be rooting us. He'd be rooting us
on. I mean, Beau was verycharismatic, great musician,
very bold, confident young manat at twenty three. I mean, you
know, he grew up in the boy bandera, and he was a Justin
Timberlake look alike.
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And he had the diamond earringsand the whole bit and curly
hair. And he just didn't have ashy bone in him. So I know for a
fact that, you know, he'sexcited that we wrote this and
he's rooting us on to help morepeople because we know where he
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is and we know the the joy thathe's experiencing. And I've had
moments where I've really seenthat very, very clearly. And,
yeah, we know that he's he'svery excited that what we're
doing right now is really,writing this book and now moving
into this kind of ministry, itis because obviously, it's
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because of him, obviously, butit's in some ways just giving
life to him in a way becauseit's we're taking the pain that
we've experienced, and we'reusing it to help others.
And, you know, pain that's notbeing used for anything, you
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just, it's wasted. But if you'vehad a heartache or you've had a
pain and and you're gettinghealed from that, you need to
use that to help somebody else.And so I know that Beau's
rejoicing over that. I believethat at least.
John Tesh (25:01):
So I first met you two, Connie and I first met you
two at an Andrew Womackconference, Christian
conference, a teachingconference. And it was when I
was, I had first startedfighting cancer. And so I met
you from from an audience,right, looking to the stage, and
you were you were singing andleading worship songs. And all
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of a sudden, I'm in this worldthat you've created where it
just feels like I'm being liftedoff of the planet with the the
love of God.
I wonder how is it? Becauseyou're you're standing there and
you're playing guitar and yourwife is is playing keyboards and
you're both singing and you'relooking at crowds of a
thousand, 2,000, 10 thousandpeople all over the world. Are
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you able to see grief moreclearly now based on your
experience with your son?
Charlie LeBlanc (25:58):
Well, yeah. I mean, we're able to, we've
experienced it deeply, ofcourse, so we understand it. And
our compassion for others hashas grown so so tremendously for
those who have been throughdifficult times in their life.
But in the worship aspect, youknow, fully aware, and I knew
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this even before we lost Beau,that whenever you're singing or
or in front of any large crowd,even though they may be
screaming and having a greattime, you know that there's a
lot of hurting people out there.And there I remember, when we
were leading worship for JoyceMeyer that had a great worship
service.
And at one point, she came outand she had something on her
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heart that there were somehurting people in here. She was
very specific what was hurting.And the she opened up the altar,
and it was filled with peoplethat had that particular
difficulty in their life. And Iwas shocked, you know, because I
thought, wow. And so we'vebecome more aware that even
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though and and thank God we canbring people into worship and
and into the presence of God,but we also know there's a lot
of hurting people out there.
So, it's a beautiful thing toknow that you can bring comfort
through worship and throughthrough connecting with the Holy
Spirit in worship that it can goout and touch and help people
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that are even grieving. Andwe're having people come to us
now that know our story andthey're saying, just to see you
up there worshiping the Lord ishelping me. You know? And so one
of the things that we we we gota whole well, actually, Jill got
a little glimpse of is that whenwe do worship Jesus, it is the
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one thing we can still do withBeau because we know he's in the
presence of God worshiping. Andthat's a little mystical, but
really he is.
And at the same time, when weworship the Lord, we're doing,
we're spending time along withour son as well.
John Tesh (28:10):
And, you know, you know, Jill, Charlie mentioned
that at one point, he thought,oh, I'm just going to,
paraphrasing here, drink myselfto death under a bridge
somewhere. Did you did you havea moment like that as the mother
of of of this child?
Jill LeBlanc (28:27):
I never I never thought that in particular, but
I was very angry for severalweeks and or, you know, a few
months. I mean, pain I mean,pained beyond description for
several months. But really tothat place, I was more angry in
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that I just kinda kept it in,and I just I don't know. I
didn't see because I was neverreally a drinker, and so I
didn't see that as any kind of aremedy myself. And I guess I
just didn't think that farahead, but there were times that
the pain the searing pain in myheart was just was just so
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intense that I I just didn'tknow if I could live through it
because it it just hurt so much.
And I specifically remember oneday, I was at at the sink, I was
just, you know, rinsing somedishes or something. And I just
I just the pain was just sointense. And I just said, God,
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please, please help me. And itwas probably one of the first
times I really asked for hishelp because I was mad at him.
Because, you know, I know thathe didn't he didn't take Beau.
I mean, he didn't kill him. Hedidn't put this cancer on him.
But, you know, you you startthinking, you know, that because
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he is God Almighty, you know,one of the things we said to him
was you could have shown us howwere we we were always asking,
Lord, show us, you know, getshow us wisdom on on how to, you
know, manage this when he wasstill with us. You know? Show us
what we need to do different oror show us how to pray if we're
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not praying right or, you know,all this.
And, you know, we felt like Helet us down because we were
asking for wisdom, and we feltlike we didn't get it. But so I
was just mad at at that. Youknow? It's like, god, you could
have shown us. You could havetold us, you know, what we could
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have changed to see differentresults or whatever.
Anyway, for the first time, Icried out and asked for his help
because the pain was just sointense in my heart. I thought I
thought my physical heart wasgoing to explode. And and it,
you know, it's that particularday, the pain lessens lessened,
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and I was able to, you know,finish that day out alive. But,
yeah, I didn't really have thesame path as him. It was just
different.
It was, I just was operating inautopilot for a long time. Even
when we would get up, and leadworship for hundreds or a
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thousand people, I was just inautopilot. I couldn't engage
with my heart. I was just upthere playing and singing and
would try to smile. I saw somepictures that a photographer had
taken at at a conference backaround that time, and, oh my
gosh, I looked so sad in all ofthese pictures.
I'm just up there and didn'trealize. But, you know, it
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should I was just trying to takeone day at a time and try to
stay alive for that day.
John Tesh (32:10):
Yeah. I understand.
Jill LeBlanc (32:11):
Yeah. That was a heavy time in our lives, but
thank God he brought us to wherewe are today, and we want to
help you get through what younever asked for. So please stick
with us.
Hit the subscribe button. Hitthe notification button so
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We're wanting to get the wordout so that other people can be
helped by these episodes.
Charlie LeBlanc (32:37):
Yes. And finally, thank you so much for
joining us, and we pray that wecan continue to be a a help to
you and minister to you in anyway. Thanks so much.
Jill LeBlanc (32:47):
And there's a link below if you would like to get a
copy of our book.
Charlie LeBlanc (32:51):
Yes.
Hi. My name is Charlie LeBlanc.
Jill LeBlanc (00:08):
And I'm Jill LeBlanc. And we are so blessed
that you have joined us heretoday. We have a lot to share.
The Lord has brought us throughsome really tragic times in our
lives and given us hope again.He has helped us find hope.
Charlie LeBlanc (00:26):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (00:26):
And we wanna help you find hope again. We want to
help you be able to get throughwhat you never asked for.
Charlie LeBlanc (00:36):
Right. Amen. You know, pain is something that
everyone experiences in life.And so often, we don't really
know what to do with that pain,and we don't know how to find
help to get through the pain.And with our loss, and Jill will
tell you a little bit about thatin a moment, but we reached out
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to others and people helped us,and we wanted to be that for
you.
We wanted to be someone that wecould you could turn to and say
help, and that we would havewords of comfort, words of
ministry to you that would helpyou get through your difficult
time. That's our heart in thisthing.
Jill LeBlanc (01:15):
Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So we wrote a book
called When Loss Comes Close toHome, and it's a two part book.
The first half is for those whoare walking through the valley
of the shadow of death.
And just we share things that welearned along the way that were
so helpful that God imparted toour hearts. And then in the
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second half of the book, it'sfor those walking beside the
ones going on that journey andjust to help you to be a better
supporter. We wanted to tellyou, some people that got ahold
of our book are our friends Johnand Connie Tesh. And John Tesh,
I remember him from years ago.He was one of the hosts of
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Entertainment Tonight, and Ijust thought he was kinda cute.
And then I saw that he was thisvirtuoso piano player. I
remember one of the Macy'sThanksgiving Day parades. He was
on a float playing this massivegrand while singing and I
thought, wow. You know, I was soenamored.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:19):
So I didn't realize that my wife had a crush
on John Tesh until now.
Jill LeBlanc (02:23):
It wasn't really a crush. Anyway, they they we met
them through the years and theyloved our book and wanted to get
the message out. Yeah. So heinvited us to come and do an
interview.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:36):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (02:36):
So we wanna share some of that interview with you
today and he asked some prettyhard questions, things that we
weren't necessarily expecting,but it's very raw and candid,
and, we're just gonna share thefirst part of it today, and our
future episodes will share moreof it.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:55):
And we hope you enjoy this interview with John
Tesh, and we'll be back rightafter the interview to share a
few more things with you.
John Tesh (03:02):
Hey. It's John Tesh. And coming up, you're going to
have a unique opportunity tolearn powerful strategies that
you and I can use to fight backagainst the debilitating effects
of loss and the grief and theheartbreak that always go along
with it. It could be losing ajob, the loss of a pet, a
divorce, or the unimaginable,the loss of a child. Charlie and
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Jill LeBlanc could never haveimagined nor were they prepared
to have their 23 year old son Botaken from them by cancer.
Their story of descending intohell, fighting back and
ultimately emerging victoriouswith a unique mission and
purpose to help others has beentruly inspiring to me and my
wife Connie. Hey guys, it'sgreat to see you.
Charlie LeBlanc (03:43):
Hi John.
Jill LeBlanc (03:44):
Hi John.
Charlie LeBlanc (03:44):
Thank you so much.
Jill LeBlanc (03:45):
Yeah, thanks.
John Tesh (03:45):
I wanna get started here and wanna take you back to
the the day before you lost yourdear son. What was life like
twenty four hours before youlost him?
Jill LeBlanc (04:01):
Our house was full of people. We had, um, Beau had
just come out of the hospitaland basically given, you know,
there's nothing else we can dofor you. So he wanted to go back
home, and and people got wordand just started filling our
home. They just started coming,And we had a piano down there in
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the room where Bo was. We had adownstairs family room.
And so we just had worship goingon worship and prayer going on
all day. And, in the evenings,it would even get bigger, and
friends were just there bringingfood and just just it it the
support group was incredible.
Charlie LeBlanc (04:45):
It was amazing. People would drop in and and,
you know, obviously wanna comeand pray for him as well. So,
you know, we hear a knock on ourdoor, someone would come down
with a guitar and sing over himand, and worship and, like Jill
said, and and then prophesy overhim as well. So, yeah, it was
interesting. And then that night
Jill LeBlanc (05:08):
Yeah. That night, our both of our daughters had
come in town, and those two ofhis cousins and two very close
friends came in. And so theywere going to stay with Beau
down in the basement that nightwhile we got to go to our own
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bed together for the first timein several nights.
And so later I mean, an hourafter we went to bed, one of our
daughters came knocked on thedoor and said, Beau's throwing
up. And so we both just raceddownstairs, and he had actually
aspirated on, you know, thethrowing up, and and he was just
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gone that fast. Yeah. But wetried our best. You know?
And, you know, prayer, I mean,just went from here to you know,
everyone's just praying andshouting his name, and and we're
doing CPR. We're just doingwhatever we can. And and, you
know, Charlie's trying to callhim back into his body, and all
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of a sudden, you know, it justit just became very chaotic
there for a little bit. And thenafter the after a few minutes,
it just kind of we just kind ofentered into a mode of just
worshiping and praying and justexpecting for Beau to come back
into his body, into body that hewould be to breathe again
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because cancer had filled bothlungs.
So he couldn't breathe anymore,and, that's why it was so easy
to aspirate. So, we just so, youknow, it morphed from all that
beautiful worship and housefilled with people. And, you
know, as it got later into thenight, you know, the house
emptied out except for the sixthat I mentioned. And so it went
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from all this beautiful,glorious, heavenly presence of
God and, yeah, to this you know?
Charlie LeBlanc (07:10):
Nothingness.
Jill LeBlanc (07:10):
Even you know, our son was was ill. He became
diagnosed nine months earlier,and we watched the decline.
There were a few high moments,but then it you know, we'd have
more bad news, and it just kindawas a roller coaster. And then
it but it was, like, you know, aroller coaster that kinda kept
declining with some high spotsand and then more low spots
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along the way. And so, you know,to to most people I mean, we
could see that our son wasdeclining, but we were just
believing God that he was notgonna We we just stood on so
many scriptures that that, youknow, that Jesus provided our
healing on the cross and withhis stripes, we were healed.
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And so it just all of a sudden,things changed really fast. So
it was kind of like a suddendeath to us, but even though it
it had been a nine month suddendeath, if you know what I mean.
John Tesh (08:07):
Right. And and I think people probably have have
figured it out, but you guyshave been have been pastors
basically your whole life. Notonly not only pastors but but
worship music, worship pastorsas as well. And so the the
outpouring of love from yourcommunity must have been I mean,
did I hear that that a thousandpeople showed up for Beau's
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funeral?
Charlie LeBlanc (08:31):
Yes. Yes. It was packed. And we had a lot we
you know, we're from we hadlived. We'd got married, met
him, got married in Saint Louis,and and so we've been there a
long time.
We had lots of friends. Andbeing in ministry, as as you
know, and being an entertainer,you know, you are exposed to a
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lot of people. And so we justmade a lot of great friends
through the years. So, yeah, itwas a lot of love, a lot of
support, and the funeral waspacked. And that was very, very
helpful and and very comforting.
I know I don't wanna get intothe meat of the of the subject
too quickly, but, but, you know,people say, well, I don't go to
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funerals. You know? Or I didn'tknow him or whatever. Or, you
know, I just don't do funerals.You know?
Well, listen...
John Tesh (09:19):
Yeah. How many years ago was this?
Charlie LeBlanc (09:23):
Fifteen. It's been fifteen now.
John Tesh (09:26):
Yeah. Yeah. And and so not long ago, you decided to
write this this book, When LossComes Close to Home, which both
Connie and I, my wife and Ifound fascinating because I even
said this, I lost my wholefamily to cigarette smoking.
Charlie LeBlanc (09:46):
Wow.
John Tesh (09:47):
Been through a cancer battle and all of that. I said
do I really, I mean these areremarkable people, but do I
really wanna read about whatthey went through? Which sounds
harsh, but you know what I'mtalking about. What I love about
this book is that it's the kindof it's the kind of book that
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anybody can use. I mean, it's aroad what you've done here is
you've you've taken yourexperience and hey, we can talk
about this, but this losing achild, I would say breaks up the
majority of or at least a largeportion of partners, of couples.
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And instead, and I'm sure thisis because of your faith, but
instead you flipped it aroundand turned it into really a
Swiss pardon the, you know, thebad analogy, but the a Swiss
army knife for for dealing withwith with grief.
So, you know, one of the firstquestions I wanna ask you is why
write a book like this knowingthat it would bring up an
enormous amounts of pain. Butwhen did you make the decision
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that you were gonna go becauseyou have to you gotta write, you
wrote it together, you did theaudiobook together. When did you
make the decision that you weregoing to be able to to do this
without without crumbling?
Charlie LeBlanc (11:08):
Well, you know, we've obviously, after Beau
passed, we went through a lot ofturmoil. But at some point,
remembered I thought I reallyneed to be journaling. Something
inside of me said, I need towrite this down. I need to
remember. I want, I wanna beable to communicate what this
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feels like or at least rememberit for me personally because
those those beginning months ofdays and months, I mean, it was
dreadful.
And so we just started writing,both of us journaling and
writing, and then it was, Idon't know, how many years later
that we just said you know, wesort of think, can we wanna help
others. You know, scripture saysto to comfort others with the
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same comfort you've received. Soas the Lord began to touch us
and heal us and help us moveforward, then we felt a
responsibility then to try tohelp others because we had run
into several people that werevery stuck in their grief and in
their sorrow and they could notget out. And we understand that
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because we were right there, wewere right there on that edge as
well.
John Tesh (12:16):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (12:16):
But at the same time, we did see God help us get
through that and start to win inour pain. And so as we started
to feel better and see thatGod's grace and help and comfort
were really healing our brokenhearts, we felt a responsibility
then to say, from the platformthat God has given us, we need
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to share this. We need to try tohelp others.
John Tesh (12:40):
Yeah. And we're gonna talk about in a moment here,
we're going to talk about theother side of this, which is,
and we've actually talked aboutthis on our radio show before,
which is how do you talk to yourfriends, your family members who
have suffered loss? And as Imentioned at the top of this
video, it could be any grief cancome from many different places.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:05):
Yeah.
John Tesh (13:06):
And sometimes it's simple, sometimes it's more
complicated.
So we're going to talk aboutthat. I wanna talk about your
relationship because, know,Connie and I, my wife and I have
had these conversations before,my gosh, we lost our grandkid,
you know, what would or a child,our our son and daughter, you
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know, what would we what wouldwe do? And I just I wonder how
you two got along after thisthis happened. You know, how
were you able and did youprocess it differently?
Charlie LeBlanc (13:43):
Yes. I looked at Jill because I wanna see if
she wants to answer, but I willsay this, that at our home, the
day that Beau passed, a lot ofpeople came over again to
minister to us, to love on us,to comfort us. And there was a
pastor there that pulled measide and he said, Charlie, he
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said, I don't know if you'reaware, but he said and I was not
aware, he said, but a lot ofcouples that lose children
really struggle and a lot ofthem don't make it in their
marriage. And and I'd neverheard that before. Of course, we
didn't know anything about lossof a child.
And he says, so I just wanted togive you that so that you can
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guard your marriage, you can youcan fight for your marriage in
the midst of this grieving timeyou may go through. So that that
just helped us.
Jill LeBlanc (14:36):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (14:36):
You know? And and so from that point on, we
started to say, okay. We talked.We said, we need to protect our
marriage because we know this isgonna be hard. Because when I'm
hurting, I want someone to helpme and my wife is hurting, she
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can't help me because she'shurting and vice versa.
And so it was a very complexsituation, but we determined
from the start that we weregonna support each other and
that we were gonna let eachother grieve the way that that
that we needed to grieve and andthat we would support each other
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and be patient with each other.That was a really big important
thing. And communicate. And,again, we don't have degrees on
marriage counseling or anythinglike that. We didn't know what
we were doing, but by the graceof God, we just started saying,
okay, we're gonna be patientwith each other.
So I told Jill, I said, If I'mgrieving and hurting one day,
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I'm gonna just tell you inadvance so that if I bite at you
or don't or answer you harshly,you'll realize that it's not
anything against you, but I'mjust having a tough day. You
know? So we both we kinda wentinto that mode, which really
helped us a lot. And there's alot more we could say about
that, things that ministered toher, didn't minister to me, and
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vice versa. So we you know,grief is very unique and it what
the process you go through, thepain you go through is
individual and and differentthings will help me that didn't
help Jill.
There were certain songs thathelped me that didn't help Jill.
There were certain pictures ofBeau that really blessed her
that I didn't wanna see becauseit hurt me more to look at a
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picture of my son. But it reallyblessed her. So I had to respect
that, and I had to say, okay.This is helping her.
You know, out of self interest,I could have said, put that
away. That's hurting me. Youknow? But the Lord helped us to
say to each other, if this ishelping you, that's fine. I'm
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just gonna back off a little bitand let you get ministered to.
And she did the same with me. Sothat that was a real important,
thing that helped us in ourgoing through it. Yeah.
John Tesh (17:02):
Was guilt ever a factor in this? I can't imagine
how it would be. I mean, youguys are such amazing parents.
Charlie LeBlanc (17:09):
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It definitely was, John.
You know, so many things toconsider about guilt. You know,
me being the head of the house,the father, I should have had
the faith to raise my son.
I should have to raise him fromthe dead, to keep him healthy. I
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should have had the faith torebuke this thing. Oh, gosh. You
would the the guilt, the thecondemnation, the pointing of
the finger from the enemy at me.I mean, I wanted to just bury
myself.
I mean, I really wanted to just,you know, go underneath a bridge
in Downtown Saint Louis and justdrink the rest of my life away.
But so, yeah, guilt and andcondemnation and then, you know,
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did we make the right choices?Maybe we should have gone to
this doctor or that doctor ormaybe we should have fasted more
and prayed more. Maybe if Iwould have just, you know,
isolated myself and didn't doanything for those nine months
but prayed, didn't eat for ninewhatever. You know?
Yeah. There's just all these youknow, scripturally, I don't
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wanna sound too religious, butfiery darts that come out at
you. The Bible says to cast downimaginations and anything that
exalts itself against theknowledge of God and bring every
thought captive to the obedienceof Christ. And so at some point,
we had to start doing that. Itwasn't easy, but we knew that
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the enemy was not a he took ourson, but he he he was he was
also trying to destroy us,trying to destroy our marriage,
trying to destroy our ministry,and and, you know, and we just
refused to let him.
We just said, no. We're notgonna let him do that. So that's
kinda...
John Tesh (19:02):
Yeah. And I'm struck by the thought that I've mostly
had when I've known people whohave who have lost a child,
young child, adult child ispeople always think about the
parents. Yeah. But when you hadother kids, what what effect did
this have on them?
Jill LeBlanc (19:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Beau was the youngest of three and
had two older sisters. So theywere five years apart. And so he
he would the oldest is fiveyears older than him, and then
the next one is three and a halfyears older than him.
So two sisters, and they wereall very close, very close knit.
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And especially the oldest one, Imean, they were like two peas in
a pod and talked almost everyday on the phone and best
friends. And then, you know, theother sister, the the middle
child, you know, she had becomereally close with Beau during
his illness because she hadmoved home from Australia. So
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she became they became reallyclose during that time. So even
to this day, they you know,they're they're really wounded,
and it's it's hard on us to seethat. You know?
And, you know, we all have justyou know, we all share this same
wound together, but, you know,our path's a little different
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than their paths on, you know,the how we've just walked. So
it's been very hard on them.
Charlie LeBlanc (20:39):
Very hard.
Jill LeBlanc (20:40):
You know, they're doing their best to survive, and
they have some good friends thatthey can share with and and and
just open up to but we but we weare still very close, and we can
talk and, you know, share thingswith people.
Charlie LeBlanc (20:56):
The blessing is that we do live close to them,
and they both have two littleboys apiece, which we so we have
four grandsons, which has been areal blessing. And so it's kept
our family, very close. Like Isaid, we live, like, ten minutes
from each of them. And so, yeah,that's been very healthy.
But, yeah, it broke their heart.I mean, I don't wanna get too
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graphic here, but the momentthat Beau passed and I had to
just say, okay, guys, you know,we're just releasing him to the
Lord. We can't you know, becausewe prayed for quite a while for
the Lord to raise him raise himup. So but once I've made the
decision that we, you know, wecouldn't go anymore, the
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wailing, the screaming, thecrying was beyond belief. You
know, the scripture says thatthat when the two year olds were
getting slaughtered, that Rachelcried out for her children and
and would refuse to becomforted.
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You know, it's like the screamof that. I can't imagine the
mothers in that moment that sawtheir two year olds getting, you
know, murdered right in front ofthem. But that kind of pain was
was the same at least in in alot of ways to what we
experienced at that moment. Andso our daughters, they they're
doing well. They have theirchildren.
(22:23):
They have their families. Theythey have to press on. But you
know? And we do get together onon the anniversaries of his
passing as well as his birthday.We get together with with our
children, and we just go out todinner and we'll share things
and maybe look at pictures andjust love on each other, just be
there for each other. You know?
Just being there is soimportant, and we talk a lot
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about that in the book as wellabout the power of just being
present, not only us as afamily, but in so many other
ways, being present to helppeople in their times of need.
John Tesh (22:56):
And now you two have have have taken the next step
and and written this book WhenLoss Comes Close to Home. And so
I wonder, when did what wouldBeau think of you writing this
book? Maybe that'll give me moreof an idea of his personality.
Charlie LeBlanc (23:18):
Well, he'd be rooting us. He'd be rooting us
on. I mean, Beau was verycharismatic, great musician,
very bold, confident young manat at twenty three. I mean, you
know, he grew up in the boy bandera, and he was a Justin
Timberlake look alike.
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And he had the diamond earringsand the whole bit and curly
hair. And he just didn't have ashy bone in him. So I know for a
fact that, you know, he'sexcited that we wrote this and
he's rooting us on to help morepeople because we know where he
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is and we know the the joy thathe's experiencing. And I've had
moments where I've really seenthat very, very clearly. And,
yeah, we know that he's he'svery excited that what we're
doing right now is really,writing this book and now moving
into this kind of ministry, itis because obviously, it's
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because of him, obviously, butit's in some ways just giving
life to him in a way becauseit's we're taking the pain that
we've experienced, and we'reusing it to help others.
And, you know, pain that's notbeing used for anything, you
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just, it's wasted. But if you'vehad a heartache or you've had a
pain and and you're gettinghealed from that, you need to
use that to help somebody else.And so I know that Beau's
rejoicing over that. I believethat at least.
John Tesh (25:01):
So I first met you two, Connie and I first met you
two at an Andrew Womackconference, Christian
conference, a teachingconference. And it was when I
was, I had first startedfighting cancer. And so I met
you from from an audience,right, looking to the stage, and
you were you were singing andleading worship songs. And all
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of a sudden, I'm in this worldthat you've created where it
just feels like I'm being liftedoff of the planet with the the
love of God.
I wonder how is it? Becauseyou're you're standing there and
you're playing guitar and yourwife is is playing keyboards and
you're both singing and you'relooking at crowds of a
thousand, 2,000, 10 thousandpeople all over the world. Are
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you able to see grief moreclearly now based on your
experience with your son?
Charlie LeBlanc (25:58):
Well, yeah. I mean, we're able to, we've
experienced it deeply, ofcourse, so we understand it. And
our compassion for others hashas grown so so tremendously for
those who have been throughdifficult times in their life.
But in the worship aspect, youknow, fully aware, and I knew
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this even before we lost Beau,that whenever you're singing or
or in front of any large crowd,even though they may be
screaming and having a greattime, you know that there's a
lot of hurting people out there.And there I remember, when we
were leading worship for JoyceMeyer that had a great worship
service.
And at one point, she came outand she had something on her
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heart that there were somehurting people in here. She was
very specific what was hurting.And the she opened up the altar,
and it was filled with peoplethat had that particular
difficulty in their life. And Iwas shocked, you know, because I
thought, wow. And so we'vebecome more aware that even
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though and and thank God we canbring people into worship and
and into the presence of God,but we also know there's a lot
of hurting people out there.
So, it's a beautiful thing toknow that you can bring comfort
through worship and throughthrough connecting with the Holy
Spirit in worship that it can goout and touch and help people
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that are even grieving. Andwe're having people come to us
now that know our story andthey're saying, just to see you
up there worshiping the Lord ishelping me. You know? And so one
of the things that we we we gota whole well, actually, Jill got
a little glimpse of is that whenwe do worship Jesus, it is the
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one thing we can still do withBeau because we know he's in the
presence of God worshiping. Andthat's a little mystical, but
really he is.
And at the same time, when weworship the Lord, we're doing,
we're spending time along withour son as well.
John Tesh (28:10):
And, you know, you know, Jill, Charlie mentioned
that at one point, he thought,oh, I'm just going to,
paraphrasing here, drink myselfto death under a bridge
somewhere. Did you did you havea moment like that as the mother
of of of this child?
Jill LeBlanc (28:27):
I never I never thought that in particular, but
I was very angry for severalweeks and or, you know, a few
months. I mean, pain I mean,pained beyond description for
several months. But really tothat place, I was more angry in
(28:53):
that I just kinda kept it in,and I just I don't know. I
didn't see because I was neverreally a drinker, and so I
didn't see that as any kind of aremedy myself. And I guess I
just didn't think that farahead, but there were times that
the pain the searing pain in myheart was just was just so
(29:19):
intense that I I just didn'tknow if I could live through it
because it it just hurt so much.
And I specifically remember oneday, I was at at the sink, I was
just, you know, rinsing somedishes or something. And I just
I just the pain was just sointense. And I just said, God,
(29:45):
please, please help me. And itwas probably one of the first
times I really asked for hishelp because I was mad at him.
Because, you know, I know thathe didn't he didn't take Beau.
I mean, he didn't kill him. Hedidn't put this cancer on him.
But, you know, you you startthinking, you know, that because
(30:09):
he is God Almighty, you know,one of the things we said to him
was you could have shown us howwere we we were always asking,
Lord, show us, you know, getshow us wisdom on on how to, you
know, manage this when he wasstill with us. You know? Show us
what we need to do different oror show us how to pray if we're
(30:30):
not praying right or, you know,all this.
And, you know, we felt like Helet us down because we were
asking for wisdom, and we feltlike we didn't get it. But so I
was just mad at at that. Youknow? It's like, god, you could
have shown us. You could havetold us, you know, what we could
(30:53):
have changed to see differentresults or whatever.
Anyway, for the first time, Icried out and asked for his help
because the pain was just sointense in my heart. I thought I
thought my physical heart wasgoing to explode. And and it,
you know, it's that particularday, the pain lessens lessened,
(31:15):
and I was able to, you know,finish that day out alive. But,
yeah, I didn't really have thesame path as him. It was just
different.
It was, I just was operating inautopilot for a long time. Even
when we would get up, and leadworship for hundreds or a
(31:37):
thousand people, I was just inautopilot. I couldn't engage
with my heart. I was just upthere playing and singing and
would try to smile. I saw somepictures that a photographer had
taken at at a conference backaround that time, and, oh my
gosh, I looked so sad in all ofthese pictures.
I'm just up there and didn'trealize. But, you know, it
(32:03):
should I was just trying to takeone day at a time and try to
stay alive for that day.
John Tesh (32:10):
Yeah. I understand.
Jill LeBlanc (32:11):
Yeah. That was a heavy time in our lives, but
thank God he brought us to wherewe are today, and we want to
help you get through what younever asked for. So please stick
with us.
Hit the subscribe button. Hitthe notification button so
you'll never miss episode, andshare it with your friends.
(32:32):
We're wanting to get the wordout so that other people can be
helped by these episodes.
Charlie LeBlanc (32:37):
Yes. And finally, thank you so much for
joining us, and we pray that wecan continue to be a a help to
you and minister to you in anyway. Thanks so much.
Jill LeBlanc (32:47):
And there's a link below if you would like to get a
copy of our book.
Charlie LeBlanc (32:51):
Yes.
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