March 5, 2025 • 34 mins
Unlock the power of your golf game through innovative grip technology with JumboMax. This episode showcases how the right grip size and weight can transform your performance on the course.
• Introduction of John Mazzinoble owner of Jumbo Max Grips
• Discussion around the historical perceptions of golf grips
• Importance of fitting grips to your hand size for optimal control
• Exploring the impact of grip weight on swing dynamics
• Insights from user experience with Jumbo Max grips
• Encouragement to utilize the Jumbo Max fitting app
Don't forget to check out JumboMax.com and follow them on social media for more insights and product options!
To reach Jesse, text at (831)275-8804
To reach Justin, his email is justin@elitegolfswing.com
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome to another edition of the Flag
Hunters Golf Podcast.
I am Jesse Perryman, your host,along with my brother from
another mother, justin Tang, whois an instructor at the
Tanamera Golf Club in Singapore.
We welcome you to another greatedition.
And this week we've got myfriend and now we are aligned
(00:27):
and his name is John Mazinobu.
He is the owner operator ofJumbo Max Grips.
We've had him on before, butthis time we're going into a
little bit more depth of thephenomenon that is Jumbo Max.
Jumbo Max has cracked the codewhen it comes to golf grips.
For years, the golf grips havebeen somewhat unexamined and
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accepted as whatever.
The players of yesteryear knewthe importance of
counterweighting and havinggrips fit their hands and how
they perform with the golf club,because it's an essential part.
Obviously, it's your onlyconnection to a golf club, but
what Jumbo Max has done isthey've added some fitting.
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Now you can really optimize thegolf club.
You can get the most out of thegolf club based on what your
intentions are.
You could download an app.
They actually have a fittingapp for grips for the first time
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, I think.
Before we just figured out whatfelt good in our hands and
accepted whatever that was,whereas now we can get really
consciously intentional with notonly the comfortability of the
grip but actually how the golfclub performs in space.
(02:07):
So in the episode we talk aboutgetting fitted to have the golf
club balance out and to managecloser rates.
If you're a flipper and youwant to get rid of flipping, we
got a solution for that.
If you want to counterbalancethe golf club, we got a solution
for that.
If you want to counterbalancethe golf club, we got a solution
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for that.
If you want to feel like youhave a little bit more weight in
the head a personal preferencefor me they could do that.
So for the first time really,we can get into the depths and
really design the performance ofthe golf club to how the
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practitioner wants to do it, andwe have a fitting system for it
.
And the app is if you just goon any of the app stores or
Google Play and you type inJumbo Max, it'll come up to it
and really the weighting of thegolf, of the, of the grips, the,
the weighting is crucial to thebalance point of the golf swing
(03:15):
.
So all of these phenomenon arediscussed in this brief episode
and I'm to highly encourageevery single listener to go in
and just take a look or at leastmaybe question why a golf,
certain golf club feels good inthe bag, or you get performance
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out of one golf club and youdon't out of another.
And it could be grip, it couldvery well be the weighting of
the grip, it could be thethickness, the size of the grip.
That is a variable, and animportant one at that, since our
hands are the only connectionto the golf club.
(03:56):
So I would encourage eachlistener to go on JumboMaxcom,
check it out, go on to any ofthe socials Jumbo Max on
Instagram, particularly, whereyou have brand ambassadors that
are exemplifying players on allthe various tours, that are
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exemplifying the use of thesegrips and how it's benefiting
them.
And I myself, personally, am apractitioner.
I use them and they havebenefited me tremendously.
They really have, and I'll giveyou a brief example before we
get into the main body of thepodcast.
I like to feel a little bit ofdelay at the top.
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I like to feel the club slotand drop somewhat on its own.
I like to feel the gravity ofit, and before I switched to
Jumbo Max, I had a very hardtime replicating this very
phenomenon in my golf swing.
And then, when I switched toJumbo Max, I played the Zen
Lights, the standard jumbos.
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Just for anybody who's curious,they're not ginormous, they're
slightly bigger than a midsize.
I found myself slotting theclub easier.
I found the club dropping downinto the right hip pocket easier
with a lighter grip where Icould feel the club head drop in
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transition and I'm able to keepmy shoulders closed just a
little bit longer to be able toexplode into the finish, and I
think that that has played amajor part.
In the seven months that I'vebeen using Jumbo Max and have
had this revelation have similarexperiences where it has really
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benefited their golf swings andhence their ball striking.
So give them a look.
Jumbomaxcom Owner is JohnMazinobu.
You can go onto their socialsand check them out.
A lot of great players areusing them these days and more
and more collegiate players areusing them, and it's not just a
thing.
This is very real and a verystrong possibility that can
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potentially help your gamewithout even thinking about your
golf swing, just by simplygetting fitted for the grip,
trying them and go out on thegolf course and see what happens
.
Eventually we're going to comeup with a unique code, uh to
help direct you and give you alittle bit of a discount for
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jumbo max.
Uh, so check them out.
I appreciate you listening anddon't forget to rate, review and
subscribe everyone.
I hope you're having a greatweek.
The golf season is almost uponus and these are things that
that maybe you could take a lookat.
Cheers everyone.
Hello and welcome to anotheredition of the Flag Hunters Golf
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Podcast.
This is thank you for tuning inalong on behalf and along with
my podcast partner, justin Tang,out of the Tanamera Golf Club
in Singapore.
This is going to be a series ofconversations that we've had
that we will have with the ownerand operator of Jumbo Max Grips
.
His name is John Mazinobu.
(07:26):
He's a good friend of mine andhe's been on the pod before, but
we are now officially aligningwith Jumbo Max grips.
We're going to be as a part oftheir ambassadorship and we're
really excited.
And, john, thanks for coming on.
Pal Justin, as always it's apleasure.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Thank you, Jesse, and thank on pal Justin.
As always, it's a pleasure.
Thank you, Jesse, and thank you, john.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So, john, Absolutely, could you give our listeners.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
A brief introduction on Jumbo Max and why grips are
the final frontier in the roadto improvement.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, jumbo Max is not your, your usual grip
company.
We're not a one size fit allkind of grip, we're a grip that
fits the player.
So, uh, 40 variations of sizeand weights, uh, over you know,
four or five different types oftextures, um, we're trying to
provide a golf grip to everybody, not just, uh, having people
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you know have to adapt theirgame around a certain size golf
grip.
That's kind of what's beengoing on for 500 years.
Jumbo max, I think, is, youknow, gaining some ground in the
industry because we're offering, you know, an opportunity to
actually get custom fit for agrip.
And really what we'rediscovering is it's just as
important to find the right size.
(08:46):
Weight is really anothercritical factor that's been
overlooked for years in the golfgrip.
So happy to dive into that andexcited to talk to you boys.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Can you tell our listeners what are the immediate
benefits of switching to JumboMax?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, if you want to talk about sizing, let's break
it down between size and weightbecause, uh, both are equally as
important.
Justin, uh, when you get theright size uh grip, you're
really able to control yourclosure rate to optimize your
swing.
So the big thing about size ofgrip um, the bigger the grip,
the slower the closure rate ofthe face.
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We did a lot of studies, gears,golf testing and you know, over
the years, and so if you getsomebody who's a little
overactive with their hands, youcan really help them out going
to a bigger grip and vice versawith swing path.
You can really help a playerwith swing path by adding a
little weight into the grip.
You know, the stronger theplayer, the more important it is
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for him to be able to find thatbreaking point.
That's really where the speed'sat is, when you can stop the
grip and fire the head through.
So when you add weight to agrip and you put it in a
stronger player's hand, they'rereally able to find that
breaking point more consistentlyto get speed into the ball.
Also, a little bit heavier backweighting will allow the club
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to kick a little bit sooner, soit gets more out in front for a
player.
So if you have players that arepushing the ball, adding a
little weight can oftentimeshelp, or vice versa, if they're
pulling the ball, adding alittle weight can help them find
the plane and find that slot alittle bit easier.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We talked of deceleration of the hands.
I think a lot of people havethis idea that if I have fast
hands, through impact that wouldtranslate to a higher club head
speed.
But when we look at the data,it shows that the longest PGA
Tour players actually deceleratetheir hands the fastest.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah Well, that's what I mean by breaking point in
the swing or the grip breakingspeed.
Think about it in terms of atennis ball and a baseball and
the weight of it.
If you were to give a baseballto a real strong baseball
pitcher in the major leagues andgive them a tennis ball, which
one will generate more velocity?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Sorry, can you repeat your question again?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I'm asking what do you think a baseball player, a
Major League Baseball player,would generate more velocity
with a tennis ball or a baseball.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
As in, he hits a tennis.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
As in how fast they could throw it.
What could you get better speedwith?
I would imagine it's thebaseball 90 miles per hour Now,
if I did the same thing with aneight-year-old kid, what do you
think he would get more speedwith?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Tennis ball.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Right, mainly because of the strength, right.
So same thing, when you canfind the proper weighted grip
and put it in an individual'shand, and depending on how he
sequences his swing, sequenceshis swing, some guys uh kind of
like jesse for instance, reallyenjoys a lighter grip to really
be able, you know, feel the headand and really uh unload, uh
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the head a little bit later inthe swing.
He creates more lag with thelighter grip and he's a hands
player, a real smooth swinger.
I've played with jesse.
So, uh, when you get somebodywho are the longest hitters in
the world Bryson, martinBorgmeier, you know long drive
champions, justin James when youput a little more weight in
their hand they actually pick upspeed because they can stop the
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grip faster.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So let's talk about weight of the grip.
How does that affect the swingweight and how does that affect
the swing sequence?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So if you add weight to the grip, all it's doing is
moving the balance point up theshaft.
And we have this randommeasurement of swing weight at
D2 and we've decided thateverybody in the universe needs
to be a D2 swinger.
Well, that doesn't sequenceeverybody up properly.
We find that by adding someweight into the handle you're
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going to go into the C's.
It's a little different thanwhat you might think.
You know, the overall clubweight gets heavier but the
balance point goes up the shaft.
So the hands can sequencebetter with the club head when
you move the balance point upfor certain people, not for
everybody.
This isn't just a broadstatement that you can say
everybody needs a heavy grip,everybody needs a big grip.
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That's why it's so critical togrip fit.
You need to find that sweetspot that allows the player to
sequence the best to his swing,the best to his ability.
So there's a ton of variationsof size and weights, uh of grips
, that you can find to maximizea player.
That's never been done.
All we've really done is takentwo sizes or maybe three, uh,
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over the last several years.
Now, oversized and jumbo havekind of come into the
conversation in the last 10years, um, before that it was
how small can we make a grip andhow light can we make it?
So I don't think we really everunderstood golf grips and the
dynamic of the human hand andthe swing of each individual and
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how they sequence, whetherthey're hitters, swingers,
whether they come from theinside, maybe they come over the
top.
You can actually optimize aplayer through the golf grip and
I think you know that's kind ofthe big discovery with Jumbo
Max.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And would you agree that the idea that in everything
in the golf swing sorry, in thegame of golf, from the golf
swing to equipment is a beautycontest, it's got to fit certain
ideals that someone has foistedupon us?
You've got standard length,you've got standard loft, you've
got standard weight, you've gotstandard swing weight.
(14:37):
I think, with with thegranularity of data that we are
getting these days, it's it'sreally causing a lot of people
to question, like, is theaccepted norms actually optimal
for my game?
I mean, we just have to lookinto the back of Bryson
DeChambeau.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Oh, absolutely, you hit it.
Justin Bryson's the bestexample of somebody that's come
along.
He's a generational talent, butBryson's been willing to push
the label since he was a youngkid.
So you know, to be aligned withsomebody like Bryson, you know
you can't help but to get better.
You can't help but to discover.
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And with today's technology youknow it's all numbers-based.
We don't have to guess anymore.
We know what the closure ratedoes when you put a bigger grip
on.
We know what the swing passdoes for certain people when you
put some weight in the grip.
It's science now.
It's no longer hey, what do youthink?
And we're just throwing somegrass up into the wind and
trying to pick a club.
(15:41):
We have precise yardages.
We have precise movementsthrough Gears, golf and some of
the other platforms that are outthere that can tell you exactly
what the club face is doingwith the skinny grip and what it
does with a bigger grip.
So it's pretty fascinating whatwe're able to do just applying
the science and today'stechnology into golf.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You mentioned texture .
How does texture affectsomeone's golf swing?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Well, I think it's supposed to psychological effect
of knowing that you have theoptimum uh, you know control the
club.
So when you can find a gripthat really fits your hand, uh,
just the confidence factor goesway up.
Whether it's a rib grip or around grip, whether it's a grip
or a leather grip, there's agrip out there.
That's right for everybody.
So that's why we try to coverall the textures.
We're developing our leatherseries and we're also developing
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you know whether it's you know,the wrap series, whether it's
the ultralight series, tourseries, the zen light series.
We're going to have a cordedseries.
So we want to provide asolution for everybody to not
only have the optimumperformance but optimum
confidence that what they'reholding not only performs well
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but it feels good in their handand let's talk a little bit
about custom fitting.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
The idea of custom fitting usually is reserved for
shafts, where you can screwshafts in and out of adjustable
driver heads.
How does one apply customfitting to Jumbo Max grips?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, I think, if you're able to have the proper
setup, you can do it with aslittle as four to five shafts.
So you'd have a variation ofgrip sizes, let's say, five
different variations of you knowa let's start with, say, a
standard grip, because you needto have a baseline number.
You want to be able to get thenumbers of whatever the player
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is hitting at the time.
So you have to have somethingto identify the improvements to.
So, once you get a baselinenumber with a standard grip, we
have developed astate-of-the-art fitting app
where you would have 200 dataparameters.
Take a measurement of your handand it'll place the grip in the
part of the hand that we feelis most optimum for each player.
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So it takes hand size into play, takes the width from your palm
to the end of your fingers andall kinds of other data points.
So that's the starting point.
So you would go to the JumboMax app, get that recommended
grip size and all kinds of otherdata points.
So that's the starting point.
So you would go to the JumboMaxapp, get that recommended grip
size and start with that.
Normally, you know 50% of thetime that's going to be really
dead accurate what you're goingto want to do from there is just
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look for the improvements.
You're going to look for anumbers-based solution.
So when you're hitting, let'ssay, it recommends a medium
jumbo max.
Have you improved?
You're looking for miles perhour.
We all want to hit it further.
So you're looking for speed.
But you're also looking fordispersion.
We've noted up to 64%improvement in dispersion when
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you find the right grip, and upto three and a half to 3.67
miles an hour in clubhead speedimprovements.
So whether you're using, youknow, four shafts five shafts
you'll be able to go throughvariations of sizes and we have
counterlock weights that you canput into the grip as well.
So you can add the weight inand you can add it in as little
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as five gram increments.
You don't have to add 30 gramsinto your grip right off the bat
.
So for a tour player fitting,he'd want to go through each
size and he'd want to go througheach five gram increment to
identify the right grip.
You don't have to go throughall the sizes because you'll
identify the right size prettyquickly.
That number is going to, youknow, show up.
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So then you're just going totest for the optimum weight at
that point to allow you tosequence the club to the best of
your ability.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think at this point it might be useful to summarize
for our golfers why they wouldwant to use Jumbo Max grips.
My question is this If we don'tuse pencil thin grips on our
tennis records, on our badmintonrecords, on our baseball bats
and on our hammers, why on earthare we using pencil thin grips
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on our golf clubs?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It just does not make sense uh, you know, justin, I
think golf has just been a gameof tradition for so long that,
uh, you know, when golf wasinvented there was a hickory
stick and leather.
You know, somebody wrappedleather around it to not get the
?
Uh splinters and cut down oncalluses and have a better grip
of the stick.
Well, somewhere along the linewe decided that that was the
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right diameter.
When every other sport andevery other tool in your toolbox
tells you otherwise, it tellsyou a little bit bigger hand or
gives you more leverage andcontrol, whether it's a
screwdriver or hammer, you know,whether it's a tennis racket or
, you know, even a ping pong.
Now it has a larger diameterthan a golf grip.
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So no other sports played withthat skinny a handle and I
challenge you to climb up a ropewith a skinny diameter.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Better have really strong fingers?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, exactly.
So we're trying to control abig muscle game with our fine,
fast twitch muscles.
When you use a skinny grip, howabout we unleash the bigger
muscles and give you theleverage and the confidence to
go at the golf ball with, withfull confidence, full send?
You can do that with a biggergrip.
You can't do that with a skinnygrip.
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You're you're focusing too muchon control and just keeping the
club in your hands.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Jesse, tell our listeners how, how many miles
per hours you picked up justwith the grip change.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, just out of the gate, it was three.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Love it.
And then as you got used to it.
You hit something like 117?
.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, I got it up to 117 at 54.
At 50 what At 54.
You know what's funny about thegrips in.
I mean, it's such a I'll add mytwo cents in here in my
experience with them because I'mplaying.
I mean, johnny, you fit me withthe Zenlite Standard Jumbo
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which, to give the listener aperspective, it's probably more
or less a midsize golf pridegrip with a few extra wraps.
It's not this big, giganticthing.
So if you have semi-big hands.
You're going to be able tohandle them.
And you know that's a bigmisconception when I talk about
jumbo maxes.
Oh, those are those big giantgrips.
(22:28):
Those aren't going to work forme, you know, unfortunately.
That's why we're having thisconversation, because there's a
ton of them that you've invented, john.
But I'll tell you, you know,for me, ben Doyle and those who
listen to this podcast and youguys both know Ben Doyle was,
you know, the first guy who wasthe authorized golfing machine
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instructor from Homer Kelly Longtime here on the Monterey
Peninsula at Quail Lodge, and Iremember him saying to me that
dainty is dangerous.
So he said that to John, by theway too, and a lot of John
Erickson and a lot of his otherstudents.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And to me as well.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Exactly, Dainty is dangerous, Erickson and a lot of
his other students and to me aswell, Exactly Dangerous.
So he would have preferred, ifyou're in between clubs, to take
the last club and take a rip atit.
Now there's, there are dynamicfactors to saying this and
having it to be true, as youboth know, I don't need to go
into it here.
True, as you both know, I don'tneed to go into it here.
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But oftentimes when you'reaccelerating through the strike,
you're going to make a morepositive golf swing than just
kind of, you know, flaying yourway through the strike, kind of
cruising it, so to speak.
Not not that you know thisholds true for every shot, but
what I found was that with theweighting of the grip and the
diameter of the grip, itsubconsciously allowed me to tap
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into my extra gear more oftenthan not when I need it.
And you know I'll give you anexample.
You know 140 yards is, like youknow, a really good nine iron.
For me right now it's almost aneasy eight.
Well, in the winter times it'san easy eight here on the
Monterey Peninsula, and I foundout a few times in tournament
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play last year that in order toaccess a pin and stay away from
trouble.
I needed to gas this club andjust and I never would have hit
that shot in my previous grips Inever would have said, okay, I
need to gas this nine iron.
Worst case scenario, I'm alittle bit short.
I got an uphill putt, no bigdeal.
I would have tried in the pastto kind of cruise an eight and
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that would leave moreopportunities for me to
over-accelerate,under-accelerate.
It was a harder shot to cruisesomething in there more often
than not.
I'm not saying that as a rule,but having the permission
subconsciously to know that Ican go after something and still
maintain my dynamics and mycontrol over my golf swing, that
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right, there was a massive gamechanger for me.
It was such a game changer andI didn't have that before Jumbo
Max Creps.
I mean, you know, John, you andI have been friends for a long
time and you've always beenencouraging me to try.
But the proof for me was in thepudding, especially under dress
in competition, and that was areal revelation for me.
(25:30):
So I'll never go back and,quite frankly, everybody who
picks up my golf clubs, theylike them.
Yeah Well, I mean, these thingsfeel good, you know, wow, they
feel nice and heavy and stableand good in your hands.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, they go like it .
It doesn't feel as strange as Ithought it would.
Right, yeah, and one of thegreat benefits that's that
people don't really think aboutis the reduction of stress on
the joints.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean that that's really uh,you know a huge benefit for a
lot of people, whether you'vealready developed arthritis or
you're out.
You know just grinding, youknow the grind is real and
hitting all those balls takes atoll.
And if you're doing it, youknow, at a level where you want
to, you know, be a top amateur,you just love the game.
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It really allows you to go outand hit more balls and, you know
, take some of that wear andtear out.
A lot of people say they don'teven wear a glove anymore after
going to our grips.
A lot of it is because theyfinally got the right size grip
in their hand and they don'thave to squeeze the club as hard
as they used to.
So you're also taking tensionout and minimizing face rotation
(26:44):
.
I mean, let's face it, that'sreally the key here.
If you can control the face ofthe club and use your bigger
muscles, you've just reduced alot of the variables in golf,
and one thing that you'll alwayshear Bryson talk about is
reducing variables.
Part of the reason we go downcertain rabbit holes is to
eliminate things.
(27:05):
It's not just to find something.
It's like okay, what do wethink about this concept.
Well, we got to go down thatrabbit hole.
Uh, to learn, or you're justbasically staying stagnant.
And uh, you know, after yearsof knowing bryson and watching
him perform at the highest level, that's one thing I don't think
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he'll ever settle for.
It's just the same old.
So one thing that has beenconsistent since he was 15 is
Jumbo Max.
So we're thankful for that and,you know, thankful for the
opportunity to be part of thatjourney.
And you know, understand betterthe performance of you, know
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why the big performance of you,know why the big grip helps, why
the heavier grip helps.
You know what are theperformance aspects of it.
We've learned so much.
There's still so much more tolearn, but to get to the point
where you actually go down aroad and actually fit people for
grips, you know that's been abig breakthrough for us.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Coming up on the half-hour mark.
Very mindful of the time, couldyou share with us, maz, who's
on the roster and whichequipment companies are you tied
up with?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You know when you say who's on the roster.
We got so many different peopleon the roster, whether it's
Senior Tourer Ratif Goosen,stuart Appleby, whether it's
Jonathan Vegas I'm hoping he'sgoing to have him on here for
the Cognizant coming up I'mgoing to see him soon.
(28:42):
He's been working with him thelast two to three weeks.
Charles Howell over there onthe live circuit along with
Bryson.
We're fitting new people prosall the time.
We have world long drivechampions Martin Borgmeier,
justin James, Colton Castro, wesPatterson, jason Koch I can't
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even go on World championPhyllis Metty.
We have the world amateurchampion in Long Drive.
We just won the WesternChampionship.
Number two amateur in the world, ian Gilligan, university of
Florida, all-american.
He's going to be a bright staron the PGA Tour, probably
(29:27):
starting next year.
He's going to be a force to bereckoned with.
We have the gentleman that wonthe PGA Club Pro Championship as
well, braden Shattuck.
I mean we just won another, ourfirst LPGA European Tour
Championship with Kara.
(29:48):
I mean there's just so manypeople.
I could go on and on aboutpeople that are developing and
using Jumbo Max, michael Jordan,charles Barkley, larry Bird.
I mean Hall of Famers, gooseGossage.
I mean it's just beenoverwhelming.
I mean I get calls all the timefrom either celebrities or you
(30:10):
know all pro football, nba,major League Baseball.
I mean it's kind of a who's whoat this point, you know.
So it's been.
It's been a great journey andto see it starting to be
accepted into the mainstream ispretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That's awesome, and equipment companies that have
Jumbo Max as an upgrade option.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh yeah, I mean Lab Golf, la Golf.
Every OEM has Jumbo Max as anupgrade option.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
They're paying Cleveland.
As a matter of fact, some ofthe CEOs from those companies
play jumbo max.
Um, you know, at one point, uh,a few years back, we actually
had every CEO playing our brand.
Um, you know, they get theminto the shop, they tinker with
them and they see theimprovements for themselves.
Nick, uh Sherburn, from clubchampion, picked up six miles an
(31:08):
hour when we fit him and he's abig fan now.
So you know, it's just, it'sout there for sure, especially
when you look at some of theOEMs.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Six miles is huge.
Six miles is two clubs, twoclubs and probably 20 yards on
the driver.
So that's at least 40 yardimprovement.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's not unheard of at all, Justin.
It's not unheard of.
The average is 3.5.
So there are cases where you'llsee people pick up that kind of
speed.
They're freed up.
You talk about people that havealways had to squeeze the club
and don't know what it's like tobe able to free up and get that
extra speed.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know, years ago ago, sergio Garcia was
criticized for milking his griplike 20-30 times before he
pulled the trigger.
Would Jumbo Max help a playerlike him?
It's obvious that he had someissues with this grip.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, it's too small, I mean it's just.
It's really hard to get thegrip to sit in your hand
properly when you don't have anysurface contact for your palm.
So you're searching for thatperfect contact point.
So you end up getting in thehabit of re-gripping,
re-gripping to get to that pointwhere you can even pull the
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trigger, and a lot of that's dueto just not having any surface
contact in your palm.
You know you're trying to gripit, you know with less tension,
but you don't have any surfacecontact to do that with.
So it turns into a, you know,finger space grip which requires
a certain amount of tension tohold on to it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
And for our listeners .
You've got nothing to lose, butthree and a half clubs to gain.
Where can our listeners findout more about jumbo max mass?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
yeah, the first thing I I think people should really
do is download our fitting app,the jumbo max fitting app, and,
uh, fit, fit it for yourself,see what grip is recommended to
you.
I mean, we're in all the bigretailers.
Uh, our website's fabulous.
You can come to jumbo maxcomand check us out.
(33:19):
There's a ton of information ifyou want to educate yourself.
Um, also, there's a fittingtool on our website.
So we recommend that you getfit.
There's a new trial kit thatyou can get, where you can get
the fitted grip.
I would go heavy and light.
If you're going to try a trialkit, I think it's important to
do a heavy and a light test tosee where your proper impact is.
(33:42):
We've seen impact changedramatically when you have a
light grip and you add theweight in to a heavier grip.
It does have a big impact forcertain people.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Thank you once again.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Gentlemen, it's great to be on with you guys.
I look forward to many moreconversations and thank you for
helping to educate the public.
This is a type of show that'sreally needed to help get the
word out.
This is a type of show, uh, youknow, that's really needed to
help get the word out.
You know, I'm happy to answerany questions.
Uh, you know, and let's keepdoing this.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
This is really helping the golf community yes,
this will be the first of manyinterviews we envision with
jumbo max and I will see youmass at live golf in singapore
I'm excited about that, justin,looking forward to getting
together with you and learningmore about how golf is done over
at your end of the world there.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So we're excited, awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Looking forward, thank you.
Hello and welcome to another edition of the Flag
Hunters Golf Podcast.
I am Jesse Perryman, your host,along with my brother from
another mother, justin Tang, whois an instructor at the
Tanamera Golf Club in Singapore.
We welcome you to another greatedition.
And this week we've got myfriend and now we are aligned
(00:27):
and his name is John Mazinobu.
He is the owner operator ofJumbo Max Grips.
We've had him on before, butthis time we're going into a
little bit more depth of thephenomenon that is Jumbo Max.
Jumbo Max has cracked the codewhen it comes to golf grips.
For years, the golf grips havebeen somewhat unexamined and
(00:57):
accepted as whatever.
The players of yesteryear knewthe importance of
counterweighting and havinggrips fit their hands and how
they perform with the golf club,because it's an essential part.
Obviously, it's your onlyconnection to a golf club, but
what Jumbo Max has done isthey've added some fitting.
(01:18):
Now you can really optimize thegolf club.
You can get the most out of thegolf club based on what your
intentions are.
You could download an app.
They actually have a fittingapp for grips for the first time
(01:42):
, I think.
Before we just figured out whatfelt good in our hands and
accepted whatever that was,whereas now we can get really
consciously intentional with notonly the comfortability of the
grip but actually how the golfclub performs in space.
(02:07):
So in the episode we talk aboutgetting fitted to have the golf
club balance out and to managecloser rates.
If you're a flipper and youwant to get rid of flipping, we
got a solution for that.
If you want to counterbalancethe golf club, we got a solution
for that.
If you want to counterbalancethe golf club, we got a solution
(02:28):
for that.
If you want to feel like youhave a little bit more weight in
the head a personal preferencefor me they could do that.
So for the first time really,we can get into the depths and
really design the performance ofthe golf club to how the
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practitioner wants to do it, andwe have a fitting system for it
.
And the app is if you just goon any of the app stores or
Google Play and you type inJumbo Max, it'll come up to it
and really the weighting of thegolf, of the, of the grips, the,
the weighting is crucial to thebalance point of the golf swing
(03:15):
.
So all of these phenomenon arediscussed in this brief episode
and I'm to highly encourageevery single listener to go in
and just take a look or at leastmaybe question why a golf,
certain golf club feels good inthe bag, or you get performance
(03:36):
out of one golf club and youdon't out of another.
And it could be grip, it couldvery well be the weighting of
the grip, it could be thethickness, the size of the grip.
That is a variable, and animportant one at that, since our
hands are the only connectionto the golf club.
(03:56):
So I would encourage eachlistener to go on JumboMaxcom,
check it out, go on to any ofthe socials Jumbo Max on
Instagram, particularly, whereyou have brand ambassadors that
are exemplifying players on allthe various tours, that are
(04:16):
exemplifying the use of thesegrips and how it's benefiting
them.
And I myself, personally, am apractitioner.
I use them and they havebenefited me tremendously.
They really have, and I'll giveyou a brief example before we
get into the main body of thepodcast.
I like to feel a little bit ofdelay at the top.
(04:37):
I like to feel the club slotand drop somewhat on its own.
I like to feel the gravity ofit, and before I switched to
Jumbo Max, I had a very hardtime replicating this very
phenomenon in my golf swing.
And then, when I switched toJumbo Max, I played the Zen
Lights, the standard jumbos.
(04:58):
Just for anybody who's curious,they're not ginormous, they're
slightly bigger than a midsize.
I found myself slotting theclub easier.
I found the club dropping downinto the right hip pocket easier
with a lighter grip where Icould feel the club head drop in
(05:19):
transition and I'm able to keepmy shoulders closed just a
little bit longer to be able toexplode into the finish, and I
think that that has played amajor part.
In the seven months that I'vebeen using Jumbo Max and have
had this revelation have similarexperiences where it has really
(05:48):
benefited their golf swings andhence their ball striking.
So give them a look.
Jumbomaxcom Owner is JohnMazinobu.
You can go onto their socialsand check them out.
A lot of great players areusing them these days and more
and more collegiate players areusing them, and it's not just a
thing.
This is very real and a verystrong possibility that can
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potentially help your gamewithout even thinking about your
golf swing, just by simplygetting fitted for the grip,
trying them and go out on thegolf course and see what happens
.
Eventually we're going to comeup with a unique code, uh to
help direct you and give you alittle bit of a discount for
(06:31):
jumbo max.
Uh, so check them out.
I appreciate you listening anddon't forget to rate, review and
subscribe everyone.
I hope you're having a greatweek.
The golf season is almost uponus and these are things that
that maybe you could take a lookat.
Cheers everyone.
Hello and welcome to anotheredition of the Flag Hunters Golf
(07:04):
Podcast.
This is thank you for tuning inalong on behalf and along with
my podcast partner, justin Tang,out of the Tanamera Golf Club
in Singapore.
This is going to be a series ofconversations that we've had
that we will have with the ownerand operator of Jumbo Max Grips
.
His name is John Mazinobu.
(07:26):
He's a good friend of mine andhe's been on the pod before, but
we are now officially aligningwith Jumbo Max grips.
We're going to be as a part oftheir ambassadorship and we're
really excited.
And, john, thanks for coming on.
Pal Justin, as always it's apleasure.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Thank you, Jesse, and thank on pal Justin.
As always, it's a pleasure.
Thank you, Jesse, and thank you, john.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So, john, Absolutely, could you give our listeners.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
A brief introduction on Jumbo Max and why grips are
the final frontier in the roadto improvement.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, jumbo Max is not your, your usual grip
company.
We're not a one size fit allkind of grip, we're a grip that
fits the player.
So, uh, 40 variations of sizeand weights, uh, over you know,
four or five different types oftextures, um, we're trying to
provide a golf grip to everybody, not just, uh, having people
(08:26):
you know have to adapt theirgame around a certain size golf
grip.
That's kind of what's beengoing on for 500 years.
Jumbo max, I think, is, youknow, gaining some ground in the
industry because we're offering, you know, an opportunity to
actually get custom fit for agrip.
And really what we'rediscovering is it's just as
important to find the right size.
(08:46):
Weight is really anothercritical factor that's been
overlooked for years in the golfgrip.
So happy to dive into that andexcited to talk to you boys.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Can you tell our listeners what are the immediate
benefits of switching to JumboMax?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, if you want to talk about sizing, let's break
it down between size and weightbecause, uh, both are equally as
important.
Justin, uh, when you get theright size uh grip, you're
really able to control yourclosure rate to optimize your
swing.
So the big thing about size ofgrip um, the bigger the grip,
the slower the closure rate ofthe face.
(09:23):
We did a lot of studies, gears,golf testing and you know, over
the years, and so if you getsomebody who's a little
overactive with their hands, youcan really help them out going
to a bigger grip and vice versawith swing path.
You can really help a playerwith swing path by adding a
little weight into the grip.
You know, the stronger theplayer, the more important it is
(09:45):
for him to be able to find thatbreaking point.
That's really where the speed'sat is, when you can stop the
grip and fire the head through.
So when you add weight to agrip and you put it in a
stronger player's hand, they'rereally able to find that
breaking point more consistentlyto get speed into the ball.
Also, a little bit heavier backweighting will allow the club
(10:06):
to kick a little bit sooner, soit gets more out in front for a
player.
So if you have players that arepushing the ball, adding a
little weight can oftentimeshelp, or vice versa, if they're
pulling the ball, adding alittle weight can help them find
the plane and find that slot alittle bit easier.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
We talked of deceleration of the hands.
I think a lot of people havethis idea that if I have fast
hands, through impact that wouldtranslate to a higher club head
speed.
But when we look at the data,it shows that the longest PGA
Tour players actually deceleratetheir hands the fastest.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah Well, that's what I mean by breaking point in
the swing or the grip breakingspeed.
Think about it in terms of atennis ball and a baseball and
the weight of it.
If you were to give a baseballto a real strong baseball
pitcher in the major leagues andgive them a tennis ball, which
one will generate more velocity?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Sorry, can you repeat your question again?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I'm asking what do you think a baseball player, a
Major League Baseball player,would generate more velocity
with a tennis ball or a baseball.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
As in, he hits a tennis.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
As in how fast they could throw it.
What could you get better speedwith?
I would imagine it's thebaseball 90 miles per hour Now,
if I did the same thing with aneight-year-old kid, what do you
think he would get more speedwith?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Tennis ball.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Right, mainly because of the strength, right.
So same thing, when you canfind the proper weighted grip
and put it in an individual'shand, and depending on how he
sequences his swing, sequenceshis swing, some guys uh kind of
like jesse for instance, reallyenjoys a lighter grip to really
be able, you know, feel the headand and really uh unload, uh
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the head a little bit later inthe swing.
He creates more lag with thelighter grip and he's a hands
player, a real smooth swinger.
I've played with jesse.
So, uh, when you get somebodywho are the longest hitters in
the world Bryson, martinBorgmeier, you know long drive
champions, justin James when youput a little more weight in
their hand they actually pick upspeed because they can stop the
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grip faster.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So let's talk about weight of the grip.
How does that affect the swingweight and how does that affect
the swing sequence?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So if you add weight to the grip, all it's doing is
moving the balance point up theshaft.
And we have this randommeasurement of swing weight at
D2 and we've decided thateverybody in the universe needs
to be a D2 swinger.
Well, that doesn't sequenceeverybody up properly.
We find that by adding someweight into the handle you're
(12:52):
going to go into the C's.
It's a little different thanwhat you might think.
You know, the overall clubweight gets heavier but the
balance point goes up the shaft.
So the hands can sequencebetter with the club head when
you move the balance point upfor certain people, not for
everybody.
This isn't just a broadstatement that you can say
everybody needs a heavy grip,everybody needs a big grip.
(13:14):
That's why it's so critical togrip fit.
You need to find that sweetspot that allows the player to
sequence the best to his swing,the best to his ability.
So there's a ton of variationsof size and weights, uh of grips
, that you can find to maximizea player.
That's never been done.
All we've really done is takentwo sizes or maybe three, uh,
(13:38):
over the last several years.
Now, oversized and jumbo havekind of come into the
conversation in the last 10years, um, before that it was
how small can we make a grip andhow light can we make it?
So I don't think we really everunderstood golf grips and the
dynamic of the human hand andthe swing of each individual and
(14:00):
how they sequence, whetherthey're hitters, swingers,
whether they come from theinside, maybe they come over the
top.
You can actually optimize aplayer through the golf grip and
I think you know that's kind ofthe big discovery with Jumbo
Max.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And would you agree that the idea that in everything
in the golf swing sorry, in thegame of golf, from the golf
swing to equipment is a beautycontest, it's got to fit certain
ideals that someone has foistedupon us?
You've got standard length,you've got standard loft, you've
got standard weight, you've gotstandard swing weight.
(14:37):
I think, with with thegranularity of data that we are
getting these days, it's it'sreally causing a lot of people
to question, like, is theaccepted norms actually optimal
for my game?
I mean, we just have to lookinto the back of Bryson
DeChambeau.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Oh, absolutely, you hit it.
Justin Bryson's the bestexample of somebody that's come
along.
He's a generational talent, butBryson's been willing to push
the label since he was a youngkid.
So you know, to be aligned withsomebody like Bryson, you know
you can't help but to get better.
You can't help but to discover.
(15:20):
And with today's technology youknow it's all numbers-based.
We don't have to guess anymore.
We know what the closure ratedoes when you put a bigger grip
on.
We know what the swing passdoes for certain people when you
put some weight in the grip.
It's science now.
It's no longer hey, what do youthink?
And we're just throwing somegrass up into the wind and
trying to pick a club.
(15:41):
We have precise yardages.
We have precise movementsthrough Gears, golf and some of
the other platforms that are outthere that can tell you exactly
what the club face is doingwith the skinny grip and what it
does with a bigger grip.
So it's pretty fascinating whatwe're able to do just applying
the science and today'stechnology into golf.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You mentioned texture .
How does texture affectsomeone's golf swing?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Well, I think it's supposed to psychological effect
of knowing that you have theoptimum uh, you know control the
club.
So when you can find a gripthat really fits your hand, uh,
just the confidence factor goesway up.
Whether it's a rib grip or around grip, whether it's a grip
or a leather grip, there's agrip out there.
That's right for everybody.
So that's why we try to coverall the textures.
We're developing our leatherseries and we're also developing
(16:37):
you know whether it's you know,the wrap series, whether it's
the ultralight series, tourseries, the zen light series.
We're going to have a cordedseries.
So we want to provide asolution for everybody to not
only have the optimumperformance but optimum
confidence that what they'reholding not only performs well
(16:58):
but it feels good in their handand let's talk a little bit
about custom fitting.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
The idea of custom fitting usually is reserved for
shafts, where you can screwshafts in and out of adjustable
driver heads.
How does one apply customfitting to Jumbo Max grips?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Well, I think, if you're able to have the proper
setup, you can do it with aslittle as four to five shafts.
So you'd have a variation ofgrip sizes, let's say, five
different variations of you knowa let's start with, say, a
standard grip, because you needto have a baseline number.
You want to be able to get thenumbers of whatever the player
(17:37):
is hitting at the time.
So you have to have somethingto identify the improvements to.
So, once you get a baselinenumber with a standard grip, we
have developed astate-of-the-art fitting app
where you would have 200 dataparameters.
Take a measurement of your handand it'll place the grip in the
part of the hand that we feelis most optimum for each player.
(18:00):
So it takes hand size into play, takes the width from your palm
to the end of your fingers andall kinds of other data points.
So that's the starting point.
So you would go to the JumboMax app, get that recommended
grip size and all kinds of otherdata points.
So that's the starting point.
So you would go to the JumboMaxapp, get that recommended grip
size and start with that.
Normally, you know 50% of thetime that's going to be really
dead accurate what you're goingto want to do from there is just
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look for the improvements.
You're going to look for anumbers-based solution.
So when you're hitting, let'ssay, it recommends a medium
jumbo max.
Have you improved?
You're looking for miles perhour.
We all want to hit it further.
So you're looking for speed.
But you're also looking fordispersion.
We've noted up to 64%improvement in dispersion when
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you find the right grip, and upto three and a half to 3.67
miles an hour in clubhead speedimprovements.
So whether you're using, youknow, four shafts five shafts
you'll be able to go throughvariations of sizes and we have
counterlock weights that you canput into the grip as well.
So you can add the weight inand you can add it in as little
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as five gram increments.
You don't have to add 30 gramsinto your grip right off the bat
.
So for a tour player fitting,he'd want to go through each
size and he'd want to go througheach five gram increment to
identify the right grip.
You don't have to go throughall the sizes because you'll
identify the right size prettyquickly.
That number is going to, youknow, show up.
(19:27):
So then you're just going totest for the optimum weight at
that point to allow you tosequence the club to the best of
your ability.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think at this point it might be useful to summarize
for our golfers why they wouldwant to use Jumbo Max grips.
My question is this If we don'tuse pencil thin grips on our
tennis records, on our badmintonrecords, on our baseball bats
and on our hammers, why on earthare we using pencil thin grips
(20:01):
on our golf clubs?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It just does not make sense uh, you know, justin, I
think golf has just been a gameof tradition for so long that,
uh, you know, when golf wasinvented there was a hickory
stick and leather.
You know, somebody wrappedleather around it to not get the
?
Uh splinters and cut down oncalluses and have a better grip
of the stick.
Well, somewhere along the linewe decided that that was the
(20:25):
right diameter.
When every other sport andevery other tool in your toolbox
tells you otherwise, it tellsyou a little bit bigger hand or
gives you more leverage andcontrol, whether it's a
screwdriver or hammer, you know,whether it's a tennis racket or
, you know, even a ping pong.
Now it has a larger diameterthan a golf grip.
(20:46):
So no other sports played withthat skinny a handle and I
challenge you to climb up a ropewith a skinny diameter.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Better have really strong fingers?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, exactly.
So we're trying to control abig muscle game with our fine,
fast twitch muscles.
When you use a skinny grip, howabout we unleash the bigger
muscles and give you theleverage and the confidence to
go at the golf ball with, withfull confidence, full send?
You can do that with a biggergrip.
You can't do that with a skinnygrip.
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You're you're focusing too muchon control and just keeping the
club in your hands.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Jesse, tell our listeners how, how many miles
per hours you picked up justwith the grip change.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Well, just out of the gate, it was three.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Love it.
And then as you got used to it.
You hit something like 117?
.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, I got it up to 117 at 54.
At 50 what At 54.
You know what's funny about thegrips in.
I mean, it's such a I'll add mytwo cents in here in my
experience with them because I'mplaying.
I mean, johnny, you fit me withthe Zenlite Standard Jumbo
(22:08):
which, to give the listener aperspective, it's probably more
or less a midsize golf pridegrip with a few extra wraps.
It's not this big, giganticthing.
So if you have semi-big hands.
You're going to be able tohandle them.
And you know that's a bigmisconception when I talk about
jumbo maxes.
Oh, those are those big giantgrips.
(22:28):
Those aren't going to work forme, you know, unfortunately.
That's why we're having thisconversation, because there's a
ton of them that you've invented, john.
But I'll tell you, you know,for me, ben Doyle and those who
listen to this podcast and youguys both know Ben Doyle was,
you know, the first guy who wasthe authorized golfing machine
(22:50):
instructor from Homer Kelly Longtime here on the Monterey
Peninsula at Quail Lodge, and Iremember him saying to me that
dainty is dangerous.
So he said that to John, by theway too, and a lot of John
Erickson and a lot of his otherstudents.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And to me as well.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Exactly, Dainty is dangerous, Erickson and a lot of
his other students and to me aswell, Exactly Dangerous.
So he would have preferred, ifyou're in between clubs, to take
the last club and take a rip atit.
Now there's, there are dynamicfactors to saying this and
having it to be true, as youboth know, I don't need to go
into it here.
True, as you both know, I don'tneed to go into it here.
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But oftentimes when you'reaccelerating through the strike,
you're going to make a morepositive golf swing than just
kind of, you know, flaying yourway through the strike, kind of
cruising it, so to speak.
Not not that you know thisholds true for every shot, but
what I found was that with theweighting of the grip and the
diameter of the grip, itsubconsciously allowed me to tap
(23:52):
into my extra gear more oftenthan not when I need it.
And you know I'll give you anexample.
You know 140 yards is, like youknow, a really good nine iron.
For me right now it's almost aneasy eight.
Well, in the winter times it'san easy eight here on the
Monterey Peninsula, and I foundout a few times in tournament
(24:16):
play last year that in order toaccess a pin and stay away from
trouble.
I needed to gas this club andjust and I never would have hit
that shot in my previous grips Inever would have said, okay, I
need to gas this nine iron.
Worst case scenario, I'm alittle bit short.
I got an uphill putt, no bigdeal.
I would have tried in the pastto kind of cruise an eight and
(24:41):
that would leave moreopportunities for me to
over-accelerate,under-accelerate.
It was a harder shot to cruisesomething in there more often
than not.
I'm not saying that as a rule,but having the permission
subconsciously to know that Ican go after something and still
maintain my dynamics and mycontrol over my golf swing, that
(25:05):
right, there was a massive gamechanger for me.
It was such a game changer andI didn't have that before Jumbo
Max Creps.
I mean, you know, John, you andI have been friends for a long
time and you've always beenencouraging me to try.
But the proof for me was in thepudding, especially under dress
in competition, and that was areal revelation for me.
(25:30):
So I'll never go back and,quite frankly, everybody who
picks up my golf clubs, theylike them.
Yeah Well, I mean, these thingsfeel good, you know, wow, they
feel nice and heavy and stableand good in your hands.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, they go like it .
It doesn't feel as strange as Ithought it would.
Right, yeah, and one of thegreat benefits that's that
people don't really think aboutis the reduction of stress on
the joints.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean that that's really uh,you know a huge benefit for a
lot of people, whether you'vealready developed arthritis or
you're out.
You know just grinding, youknow the grind is real and
hitting all those balls takes atoll.
And if you're doing it, youknow, at a level where you want
to, you know, be a top amateur,you just love the game.
(26:22):
It really allows you to go outand hit more balls and, you know
, take some of that wear andtear out.
A lot of people say they don'teven wear a glove anymore after
going to our grips.
A lot of it is because theyfinally got the right size grip
in their hand and they don'thave to squeeze the club as hard
as they used to.
So you're also taking tensionout and minimizing face rotation
(26:44):
.
I mean, let's face it, that'sreally the key here.
If you can control the face ofthe club and use your bigger
muscles, you've just reduced alot of the variables in golf,
and one thing that you'll alwayshear Bryson talk about is
reducing variables.
Part of the reason we go downcertain rabbit holes is to
eliminate things.
(27:05):
It's not just to find something.
It's like okay, what do wethink about this concept.
Well, we got to go down thatrabbit hole.
Uh, to learn, or you're justbasically staying stagnant.
And uh, you know, after yearsof knowing bryson and watching
him perform at the highest level, that's one thing I don't think
(27:28):
he'll ever settle for.
It's just the same old.
So one thing that has beenconsistent since he was 15 is
Jumbo Max.
So we're thankful for that and,you know, thankful for the
opportunity to be part of thatjourney.
And you know, understand betterthe performance of you, know
(27:49):
why the big performance of you,know why the big grip helps, why
the heavier grip helps.
You know what are theperformance aspects of it.
We've learned so much.
There's still so much more tolearn, but to get to the point
where you actually go down aroad and actually fit people for
grips, you know that's been abig breakthrough for us.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Coming up on the half-hour mark.
Very mindful of the time, couldyou share with us, maz, who's
on the roster and whichequipment companies are you tied
up with?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You know when you say who's on the roster.
We got so many different peopleon the roster, whether it's
Senior Tourer Ratif Goosen,stuart Appleby, whether it's
Jonathan Vegas I'm hoping he'sgoing to have him on here for
the Cognizant coming up I'mgoing to see him soon.
(28:42):
He's been working with him thelast two to three weeks.
Charles Howell over there onthe live circuit along with
Bryson.
We're fitting new people prosall the time.
We have world long drivechampions Martin Borgmeier,
justin James, Colton Castro, wesPatterson, jason Koch I can't
(29:05):
even go on World championPhyllis Metty.
We have the world amateurchampion in Long Drive.
We just won the WesternChampionship.
Number two amateur in the world, ian Gilligan, university of
Florida, all-american.
He's going to be a bright staron the PGA Tour, probably
(29:27):
starting next year.
He's going to be a force to bereckoned with.
We have the gentleman that wonthe PGA Club Pro Championship as
well, braden Shattuck.
I mean we just won another, ourfirst LPGA European Tour
Championship with Kara.
(29:48):
I mean there's just so manypeople.
I could go on and on aboutpeople that are developing and
using Jumbo Max, michael Jordan,charles Barkley, larry Bird.
I mean Hall of Famers, gooseGossage.
I mean it's just beenoverwhelming.
I mean I get calls all the timefrom either celebrities or you
(30:10):
know all pro football, nba,major League Baseball.
I mean it's kind of a who's whoat this point, you know.
So it's been.
It's been a great journey andto see it starting to be
accepted into the mainstream ispretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That's awesome, and equipment companies that have
Jumbo Max as an upgrade option.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh yeah, I mean Lab Golf, la Golf.
Every OEM has Jumbo Max as anupgrade option.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
They're paying Cleveland.
As a matter of fact, some ofthe CEOs from those companies
play jumbo max.
Um, you know, at one point, uh,a few years back, we actually
had every CEO playing our brand.
Um, you know, they get theminto the shop, they tinker with
them and they see theimprovements for themselves.
Nick, uh Sherburn, from clubchampion, picked up six miles an
(31:08):
hour when we fit him and he's abig fan now.
So you know, it's just, it'sout there for sure, especially
when you look at some of theOEMs.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Six miles is huge.
Six miles is two clubs, twoclubs and probably 20 yards on
the driver.
So that's at least 40 yardimprovement.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's not unheard of at all, Justin.
It's not unheard of.
The average is 3.5.
So there are cases where you'llsee people pick up that kind of
speed.
They're freed up.
You talk about people that havealways had to squeeze the club
and don't know what it's like tobe able to free up and get that
extra speed.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You know, years ago ago, sergio Garcia was
criticized for milking his griplike 20-30 times before he
pulled the trigger.
Would Jumbo Max help a playerlike him?
It's obvious that he had someissues with this grip.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, it's too small, I mean it's just.
It's really hard to get thegrip to sit in your hand
properly when you don't have anysurface contact for your palm.
So you're searching for thatperfect contact point.
So you end up getting in thehabit of re-gripping,
re-gripping to get to that pointwhere you can even pull the
(32:28):
trigger, and a lot of that's dueto just not having any surface
contact in your palm.
You know you're trying to gripit, you know with less tension,
but you don't have any surfacecontact to do that with.
So it turns into a, you know,finger space grip which requires
a certain amount of tension tohold on to it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
And for our listeners .
You've got nothing to lose, butthree and a half clubs to gain.
Where can our listeners findout more about jumbo max mass?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
yeah, the first thing I I think people should really
do is download our fitting app,the jumbo max fitting app, and,
uh, fit, fit it for yourself,see what grip is recommended to
you.
I mean, we're in all the bigretailers.
Uh, our website's fabulous.
You can come to jumbo maxcomand check us out.
(33:19):
There's a ton of information ifyou want to educate yourself.
Um, also, there's a fittingtool on our website.
So we recommend that you getfit.
There's a new trial kit thatyou can get, where you can get
the fitted grip.
I would go heavy and light.
If you're going to try a trialkit, I think it's important to
do a heavy and a light test tosee where your proper impact is.
(33:42):
We've seen impact changedramatically when you have a
light grip and you add theweight in to a heavier grip.
It does have a big impact forcertain people.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Thank you once again.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Gentlemen, it's great to be on with you guys.
I look forward to many moreconversations and thank you for
helping to educate the public.
This is a type of show that'sreally needed to help get the
word out.
This is a type of show, uh, youknow, that's really needed to
help get the word out.
You know, I'm happy to answerany questions.
Uh, you know, and let's keepdoing this.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
This is really helping the golf community yes,
this will be the first of manyinterviews we envision with
jumbo max and I will see youmass at live golf in singapore
I'm excited about that, justin,looking forward to getting
together with you and learningmore about how golf is done over
at your end of the world there.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So we're excited, awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Looking forward, thank you.
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