March 12, 2025 • 57 mins
John Novosel from Tour Tempo joins us to discuss how discovering the consistent 3-to-1 tempo ratio in professional golf swings revolutionized understanding of what makes great players successful. He explains how this measurable, quantifiable element can be easily adopted by amateur golfers to drastically improve their game without complex swing changes.
• Tour Tempo methodology identifies the precise timing ratios (frames of video) found in professional golf swings
• The 3-to-1 ratio (backswing to downswing) appears consistently among top players like Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy
• "Low and slow" backswing is actually counterproductive compared to the faster tempos pros use
• Proper tempo helps eliminate swing thoughts and gets golfers out of their analytical left brain into their athletic right brain
• The concept of one-to-one ratio from backswing to finish creates natural rhythm throughout the entire swing
• Tempo training improves ground reaction forces and connection to the ground
• Using resistance (through tools like the Speedball) helps develop proper bracing at impact for maximum energy transfer
• For aging golfers, maintaining swing speed requires proper tempo, mobility work, and strategic strength training
• Tour Tempo app provides audible tones to guide your swing tempo in real time
Check out Tour Tempo at tourtempo.com or on Instagram at @tourtempo. Download the Tour Tempo Total Game app or the free Tour Tempo Frame Counter app to discover your current tempo and start making improvements immediately.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman from the Flag Hunters
Golf Podcast, welcoming you toanother great conversation that
Justin Tang and I.
Justin, one of the greatinstructors in the Orient, who
is based at the Tanimere GolfClub in Singapore, and our guest
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this week is a man by the nameof John Novosel.
John is the owner of the TourTempo methodology.
It was started by his father afew years ago and the
methodology is based on findingquantifiable tempos within the
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world's best golf swings, andthen we can actually apply this
methodology and technology toour own motions.
So I liken it to a metrodome.
It's like a metrodome for ourgolf swings and it's something
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that is not talked about as faras in mainstream golf
instruction and improvement,that there are actually
consistencies from the world'sbest, that we can actually find
ourselves and figure out what,what beats, that our golf swing
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can resonate with and that wecan work on.
I myself, I do have the TourTempo app.
I have gone out andexperimented with it and it's
phenomenal.
It really gets you to allowyour body a little bit more
fluidity and less angst as faras your left brain.
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Going in there and working onit and controlling it, I have
found a lot of surprisingdiscoveries while using the
tones, and that is my connectionto the ground improved.
My connection to the groundimproved, stability in my lower
body improved, the depth of mybackswing improved all with just
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following these tones.
So John really explains it inthe main body of this
conversation and I certainly donot want to impede with this
long-winded intro.
You can find John atwwwtourtempocom and he
frequently posts on Instagramand his Instagram handle is at
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tourtempo, and enjoy thisconversation because it's really
enlightening.
And enjoy this conversationbecause it's really enlightening
and I just enjoyed the same waythat you, the listener, would,
with eyes wide open and earswide open and the information is
sound and it's very interestingand extremely intriguing and
something that, for those of uswho listen to this podcast, that
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are the better player that youmay want to consider as a tool
in your tool belt, a resourcethat can absolutely get you out
of your head and more in yourbody mind, so to speak, so in
your right brain, and I foundthat to be the case for me and
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other people that I know thathave used Tour Tempo, used the
app and have used the tones notonly in your long game but also
in your short game and puttingas well, works very, very well
with your wedges, with yourshort game and with putting.
So, without further ado, thanksagain for listening.
Please rate, review andsubscribe, and I will make sure
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to have all of the connectinginformation in the show notes.
And have a great week, everyonecheers.
Thanks for joining us.
(04:06):
This is Jesse Perryman of theFlag Hunters Podcast, along with
my partner, my brother fromanother mother lead one of the
master instructors in all ofAsia out of the Tanimera Golf
Club.
His name is Justin Tang, andour guest today is somebody I've
been a fan of for a long time.
I've been familiar with hiswork.
His name is John Novosel fromTour Tempo.
(04:27):
John, thanks, pal for coming on, justin, always.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Thanks for having me on.
Thanks Jesse, thanks John.
Such a pleasure to have a guyof your experience come on to
share with our listener basewhat you and your dad have
discovered.
Can we have a quick, reallybrief intro on how you and your
dad discovered Tour Tempo?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Sure thing, thanks for having me on.
I think the long and short ofthe discovery of Tour Tempo is
that my dad never set out tofigure this out, he just
happened to stumble upon it.
We were doing an infomercial.
For those of you under the ageof 40, you may not know what
that is, but that was for theGolf Channel infomercial.
For those of you under the ageof 40, you may not know what
that is, but that was for theGolf Channel and we were looking
at video and we happened tonotice Jan Stevenson's swing.
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She's a former US Open championand she took it back in about
nine-tenths of a second, but wehappened to notice it was 27
frames and then she came down onher downswing in nine frames.
So she had this thing that wekind of looked at was 27.9.
We didn't think that was any bigdeal because the current
paradigm from tempo was uh, hey,everyone's got their own tempo,
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you should swing how you'resupposed to swing and it's all
based on you.
And then we saw that tiger'stempo and the 97 masters, when
he won by like 50 shots, was 27in the backswing and nine on the
downswing.
And all of a sudden we thought,uh-oh or hello, something's
going on here and we startedlooking and it wasn't just the
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27-9, which is the three to oneratio, it was also.
We were seeing guys like NickPrice or even Ernie Els.
At the time was 24-8.
And so we were seeing thesefaster swings and this three to
one ratio and all of a suddentempo.
Wasn't this weird thing?
It was that was hard todescribe by words, like such a
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slow or smooth.
It was now something that wastangible and you could reach out
and touch it and feel it andtry it, and it was faster and it
was more of this ratio that wasinvolved.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So there are two things at play here, right, john
?
We've got tempo, which is the,I guess, overall speed, and then
there is also rhythm, which isa ratio, the ratio of the time
it takes for you to completeyour downswing versus the
backswing I like that.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I would.
I would put it a slightlydifferent way and I love the.
I love that you're bringing up,uh, tempo and rhythm as two
different things, because theyare.
So here's what I've kind ofcome to the conclusion over all
these years is tempo is elapsed,time period, final the end?
That's the definition.
So what I found is that youdon't get to have your own tempo
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, you get rhythm within thetempo.
That's where you see thedifferences Fred Couples, tiger,
you name the golfer Jake Knapp,that's where you see maybe your
own personal rhythm, but thetempo really remains a constant
for these tour professionals ofthis, three to one in about a
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second, from takeaway to impactof this three-to-one in about a
second, from takeaway to impact.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Are you saying that tempo?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
relates to a person's individual personality.
I'm actually saying theopposite.
I'm saying that yourpersonality should not
necessarily correlate to yourtempo.
Here's the question I have forany coach out there.
Let's say you've got an NBAplayer or a spr sprinter and
they kind of walk so and talkslow.
Should they on the basketballcourt or on the track?
Should they run slow and jumpslow?
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Nope, um, so you've got to dowhat the sport requires.
You know what I'm getting at isyou got to do what the sport
requires of you, right, and golfthese days is requiring more
speed and power, and tempo isone way to do it.
Tempo is also a way to sort ofget weird of all these weird
moves.
If you think of a guy likemacko grady we all love his
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swing there's not a lot ofextraneous movement that makes
the tempo actually go faster.
So, um, tempo I look at as atime thing, rhythm.
Rhythm is more of the, thesignature within it, and and
that that, I see, is somethingthat may correlate to your, your
personality, but the tempoitself is something that we
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really need to try.
Let's try this to our tempo,first and foremost.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So do we need to be exact in the tempo that we
choose, or is it good enough tobe in the ballpark in the zip
code, so to speak?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, that is a great question and it's absolutely
fine to be within the zip code.
You don't need to be perfect.
It's like a lot of things ingolf you don't have to have a
perfectly straight left arm, youdon't have to have a perfectly
this or that.
Let's do one definition for thelisteners.
When I say 21.7, what I'mreferring to is frames of video.
There's 30 frames in one second.
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So 21 frames going back, that'sabout two thirds of a second.
Seven coming down, that's abouta fifth of a second somewhere
in there.
So if you're 22.7 or 22-7,that's fine, or it doesn't need
to be perfect, just within.
Let's say, you're 36-12 or36-10.
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Those are almost three to one,but it's taking so much time to
get to impact.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think that's the type of person that's going to
see these instant results withtour tempo, because when you do,
when you go faster, uh, fromtakeaway to impact, you'll
typically pick up speed with theclub as well I recall a study
or an analysis that you and yourdad did of some players who's
who basically, uh, startedleaking oil on the back nine and
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you took videos of them andsaid, hey look, tempo's off, or
they came back from or theystarted to overhaul their swings
and then you saw that the tempowas just out of sync.
Could you talk about thepredictive abilities of to a
tempo?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
absolutely.
Let's take a guy uh, let'stiger in his prime.
Uh, you know he's mainly been21-7.
Back in the year 2000 when hewas really when it was
unbelievable, he was 24-8.
Tiger never really veered.
Once he locked into a tempo, itpretty much on all full swings
that was the tempo.
It never veered off.
And what you'll see, with goodplayers they can actually get
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almost too careful and get slow.
And there's these extra frames,so to speak, and average
golfers think they get too quick.
Right, and they're not asconsistent.
But usually when an averagegolfer thinks they get too quick
, they actually got real slow onthe takeaway and then they have
to get quick in transition andso that's why you see a lot of
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guys that put speed in early andthat's why it doesn't look
rushed at the top.
Think of a Fred Couples or aJake Knapp or even Rory.
There's a lot of speed early soyou don't have to rush at the
top and that's a huge way tolook at this and feel this.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Hang on.
So are you saying that low andslow is not a good thing on the
back swing?
So are you saying that low andslow is not a good thing on the
back swing?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I absolutely am.
For most golfers, low and slowis not going to be helpful.
It's going to get you thinkingtoo much, it's going to get you
a lot of tension that we don'twant and it's going to get you
careful.
There's this illusion with lowand slow that you're going to be
more accurate, but again, goback to Rory.
Watch the takeaway.
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He's the best driver in thegame.
It's nothing in his swing isslow, it's moving, it's
rhythmical, it's going.
He fits the pattern perfectly.
The other unbelievable examplejust watch it on TV now Ludwig
Oberg.
He gets up there and just ripsit back, rips it through, and he
hits it incredible.
So I think low and slow is anillusion, and what you've got to
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do, though, is find the righttempo for you, and that's why,
in the Tour Tempo universe andthe Tour Tempo app, we've got
five different tempos to choosefrom.
That really will help you pickthe right one for you.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I suppose it's like throwing a ball right If you're
throwing it to first base, yourback swing need not be as fast
as if you were throwing tosecond base, which is a bit
further.
Would that be a good analogy?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, I mean think about the requirement of the
action right.
The more speed and power, thefurther you need to throw an
object or hit it, you're goingto see more speed in the tempo
of the of the entire thing aswell.
So, yeah, that's a good analogyand that's why you'll see, with
the short game and let's saymaybe 100 yards, and in it's a
slightly different tempo, it'smore two to one than three to
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one so it's it.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
We should not be telling usain bolt not to run so
fast because he might veer offthe lane.
Just doesn't make sense.
So would you say that 12 tempois a low-hanging fruit and could
just be the one thing thathelps our listeners change five
other things in their swing?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Absolutely yes.
The reason it's so low-hangingis that you can take a quality
of the greatest players of alltime and the greatest players
currently, such as Rory, tiger,ludwig, all these guys.
You can take that quality.
They have their tempo and youcan try it and go and do it and
use it and feel it.
Right now you can get the TourTempo app, go to the driving
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range, start trying this.
You know what you can't have.
You can't have Rory's body orJake Knapp's body or any of
these guys' bodies or theirphysical attributes or their
speed and those types of thingsor their quick hips, so those
things are so hard to take froma Tour Pro.
But you can take that tempo.
Go work on it right now.
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Find the one that's right foryou, try it and it is very
low-hanging fruit.
Now will it cure five differentthings mechanically sometimes
yes, sometimes all these weirdthings are doing it'll cure,
sometimes it won't.
So the one thing it will cureyou on is thinking during the
shot, because that is gone,because there's no time to think
while you're listening to thesetones.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Why would I want Rory's body?
I want John Daly's body man.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
You can't have John Daly's body either.
Nobody's getting that body.
But guess what?
He's always been toward tempo,even with that long swing.
He's 24-8, and he's got thatlong swing and I love you
bringing that up.
But who's going to have allthat leverage in his swing?
You're probably not.
But you can try that tempo andsee how it works for you.
How about Bubba Watson?
I guess it would be the same.
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He actually is also 24-8.
The guys on tour with thoselonger swings it takes longer to
do it.
The long drive guys with thelong swings actually still do it
super fast, so they go longerand less time.
And that's one of my keys whenI'm working with my students.
It's an absolute, guaranteed,100% ironclad deal I make with
people.
If I get you more load in thebackswing and we do it in less
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time, you're going to increaseblood bed speed period.
Final the end.
Now, it's not the easiest thingto do but it can be done, like
lifting the left heel, thosetypes of things.
But you're absolutely going togain speed with a longer, faster
backswing, for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, this might be a bit more advanced.
So, instead of using a 1-to-3ratio, how about if you use a
1-to-2 ratio or a 1-to-4 ratioduring training?
How does that affect yourbaseline tempo and your club
head speed?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
that is an interesting question.
I've never really, uh, done agreat experiment with it.
I do know that when you go fromthe two to one tones of the
short game and then you go tothree to one, immediately feels
a lot faster on the downswingBecause, let's say, you're using
the 2010 tones for your shortgame and then you go to 21.7.
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So about the same length or thesame time in the backswing,
it's 30% faster on the downswing.
So you definitely feel that bigdifference.
I've never really done the fourto one.
I will tell you that sometimesI'll go to, let's say, 21 seven.
After I've been doing it.
I've done it for a long timenow.
It's feeling kind of normal.
If you will, sometimes I'll use24 eight.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Then when I go to 21 seven, it makes it feel super
fast and okay, could you talk alittle bit about the difference
in tempo for the long game andthe short game?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
sure, sure thing, and I think it might be helpful for
everybody out there just tohear some of these, what I'm
talking about from the app.
So this is going to be what I'mgoing to play for you that from
the app, the 21-7 tones, andthis is currently like rory
mcroy, rory mcroy, levig obergtiger in his heyday.
So this is three tones one tostart your swing, one for the
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top of the swing and one forimpact.
It sounds like this um, umphone, start off impact.
So that's how quick that is and, like I said earlier, you don't
have time for a lot of thinkingbecause you're doing that,
because you've got to respond tothose.
Now I'm going to play the sameamount of backswing, but the
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short game, 2-1.
Bump, bump, bump.
Start top impact.
So way more time on thatdownswing.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I much prefer the first edition you got a guy that
goes 21, 7.
It was like listening to asoundtrack, yeah, and I think,
if I recall it used to run forlike two to three minutes so you
could get through like five,six balls, like quite absolutely
yep and it.
What I felt, uh it did for meback then, was it made the swing
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very much reactive.
You were reacting to somethings, almost like playing
soccer or basketball, where youreact to a stimulus and you're
right, you can't think aboutanything.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, there's no thinking there.
I love what you're sayinggetting reactive.
So, as soon as you play thesetones, all of a sudden we're
accessing a different part ofyour brain than that, Because
think of most golfers they'retypically going to be very left
brain.
They've watched a ton ofYouTube videos, read a ton of
stuff.
That's not the brain that youactually play golf with.
Right, the brain that you playsports with is that reactive and
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I'm going to call it the rightbrain.
If you will, we call it theright brain.
If you will, we call it thesubconscious self-two, whatever
you want to call it.
But you're right, we need to bemore reactive.
Well, as soon as you do thesetones, you've got to get into a
reactive state because you'vegot to respond now to the tones
as they're playing, and that's ahuge thing for golfers, because
the ball is not going to moveand you need to figure out how
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can I make this reactive?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And it's one way to do it is with Stuart Tempo.
Before we go to the nextsegment, can you share a little
bit about some of the dramaticchanges you have seen with your
students using Stuart Tempo?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
One that comes to mind is ayoung man.
I've just been working with Hisname's Gunnar.
He's here in Lawrence, kansasand he was in the low to mid
160s.
I usually look at ball speedbecause it's a very objective
number and his tempo was aboutin the 30-10 range.
We recently got him more 24-8.
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He's now touching 180 andcruising at about 174.
And so we did a few other thingswith the swing as well.
We lengthened it a little bitand things like that.
But the tempo it was justamazing to see that that the
tempo and putting some energyinto the backswing, that puts
energy into the system.
One of the guys from theoriginal book, his tempo was
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44.11.
So we'd almost taken two fullseconds to swing from takeaway
to impact and he started hittinghis irons.
You know he got I think we gothim even to 27, 9, 24, 8, but he
started hitting 20 to 30 yardsfurther with his irons and I'll
never forget the voice messagehe left my dad and I, which was
hey, I can't score because I'mair mailing greens now by.
You know, 20 to 30 yards, whichis a good problem to have less
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world problems yeah, but yeah,exactly, that's a big time first
world problem, um.
But when I get a student or seesomeone with that slow backswing
um, and they look like a person, that's, they got any
athleticism, any athleticism atall, I get excited.
I start looking my chopsbecause I know when we get them
to 24, 8 or 21, 7, we're goingto start to see those results
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come right away.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So if you have a long swing or your swing doesn't
change in length but your timinggoes down, then something else
would have changed you wouldhave increased the force and the
acceleration profile of yourswing.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
This guy's smart, this guy's on, it 's on it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, that'sexactly right.
So, yeah, I read your books,man.
Well, think about this.
You can, you can.
There's two things.
You can get a touch in theground kind of effect in the
golf swing.
You can affect the grip and youcan affect the ground right
other, and you've got your bodyto do it.
But those are the main things,two things you affect.
So if you just said, where am Igoing to put in more force?
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Well, to go faster, you'reprobably going to put more force
in the ground.
You're also going to put moreforce in the grip, and that adds
to this thing that they're nowcalling impulse, and this
impulse is sort of the totalamount of energy in the system.
Well, guess what?
Increasing your tempo orswinging in less time, that
increases the impulse.
And so when we increase theseforces, good things happen.
Now here's what I've found.
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Just like everything in life,there's a Goldilocks sweet spot
for this stuff.
So for me, when I originallygot started with my dad, I was
27.9.
I got to 21.7, saw these bigincreases, but as I go to 18.6,
I don't gain and, as a matter offact, my sequence gets a little
off, bryson DeChambeau when hegoes to 18.6, it's incredible,
right?
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So you've got to find theGoldilocks, that bell curve of
like what's the golden tempo foryou within these tempos.
Typically for most people it'ssomewhere between, you know,
21.7, 24.8, somewhere in there.
But you've got to find it foryou because some people can get
to 18.6.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Others that started really slow they're going to be
more in that 27.9 range.
Would it be right to think of18.6?
As the province of unicorns andyou need capacity to actually
function at that range.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I like that.
I also call it Ricky Fowler onRed Bull.
You know, 18.6 is HenrikStinson, it's Bryson, but it is
a little bit unicorn-ish andoccasionally, believe it or not,
I actually had a student.
We had to slow him down, whichrarely you find.
But I think the big thing yousee is with all these is if I
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put energy in early, then I'mnot rushed at the top, and
that's the big game changer,sequence wise for these golfers
when they're working on tempo.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What is Nick Price's tempo?
Out of curiosity.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He was one of the fastest guys back in the day at
21.7.
But now there's so many guysthat swing that fast.
One of the new fastest guysthat I don't know if you think
of it or not, but when you watchit you see it is Wyndham Clark.
Wyndham Clark's swing is sofast and he's got incredible
speeds.
But yeah, nick Price was one ofthe early guys with a really
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fast 21-7 tempo.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So we had Tour Tempo 1.
We had Tour Tempo 2.
Can you talk about Tour Tempo 4?
We had Tour Tempo 2.
Can you talk about Tour TempoForce?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
What led to Tour Tempo Forcewas conversations that I had
with a physicist from Yale.
He's now doing some privatestuff.
When you talk about smartestguy in the room, this guy is the
smartest guy in the room.
His name is Dr Robert Grober,and what I had been looking?
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Robert Grober and what I had been looking at.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Go ahead, robert Grober.
Yeah, if you do a search forRobert Grober tempo for the
listeners out there you'll findone of those white papers.
It's called towards abiomechanical understanding of
tempo in the golf swing, and heand another guy, yasek Kulowicki
, they basically backed up allthe data that my dad and I had.
Uh, and they did it and theyshowed in a lot with the laws of
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physics how this all worked andeverything.
It's pretty wild.
But what grover said was if youwind a spring up okay, let's
call it a harmonic oscillator,which is spring, and then you
unwind it with twice the force,guess what that tempo will be?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
three, to one.
That's right.
Yeah, like I said, smart guy,so it's a Three to one.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's right, like I said, smart guy.
So it's a three to one ratio.
Now what I found was this, andI'm going to give you a little
bit of a long story here andI'll make it as succinct as I
can so we have something calledthe Tour Tempo Frame Counter and
on your phone you can get thatapp.
It's free and you can go in andcount your frames and see what
tempo you are.
So I was looking at RoyMcIlroy's swing and I noticed he
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took 22 frames to the top.
And then I hit the play buttonand I didn't hit the.
I forgot to get him at impactand went all the way to the
finish.
So his backswing was 22.
Tell me and when I hit theimpact button at his finish the
wrong spot tell me what thatnumber was.
I'm just throwing this at you.
I know you don't, you know youmay or may not know this, but 22
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back, how long was it?
From the top of the backswingall the way to the finish.
It's serenade in the face.
I've only given you one numbereight frames.
No, it's 22.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So so, okay, okay, the entire sequence, the entire
sequence.
Yeah, so he was 22-7 to impact.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
But he was 22 back to the top of the swing and then
another 22 from the top of theswing to the full finish.
So that's one-to-one.
That's a one-to-one ratio.
So guess what?
I started looking at all thetour pros and every tour pro I
looked at within a frame or twowas a one-to-one ratio.
And the tour pros and everytour pro I looked at within a
frame or two was a one-to-oneratio.
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And so I called Grover andasked him like what is this?
What's going on here?
And he like laughed at me likeI had just tried to explain some
basic physics to him.
But basically what he told mewas if you take a pendulum and
you swing it, and it's a longamplitude, and then you take one
and swing it, it's a short one,guess what?
Those will be the same amountof elapsed time.
Okay.
So a pendulum, that's right.
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So a pendulum has somethingcalled isochronism, means same
time, okay.
So what he said was is thisback from takeaway to the top of
your swing, that's one pendulum.
And from the top of your swingall the way through to the
finish, that's another pendulum.
That.
And from the top of your swingall the way through to the
finish.
That's another pendulum.
That's why they're equal.
So when you look at these guyson tour, the guys that look the
most rhythmical, the most smooth, all those things, they've got
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the one-to-one ratio and, by theway, when you do the one-to-one
on a full swing, it's going tobe three to one to impact.
So that's what the tour tempoforce book is exploring that
concept, and I've got drills inthere and ideas of how to
exploit that, especially for theshort game.
Because now with the short game, it's basically a pendulum
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motion.
Pendulums are driven by gravity.
Gravity never changes.
So what you want to feel inyour short game is sort of this
even amount of energy into thebackswing and the follow through
.
Too many people are trying toaccelerate with the short game
and unless the shot is superspecial, crazy, you don't need
acceleration, you just need this.
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Even you don't want to deceleither.
You want to be more of apendulum.
So that's what the force isabout and it's a.
It's a really cool explorationin moving the two books along
and also talking about how can Iuse this principle to hit the
ball farther as well.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I remember the two drills in Tour Tempo Force, one
for the short game and one forthe long game, and it went
something like this you set upwith the shaft parallel on the
backswing, or what we call inmore apt terms p2, and then make
, make a pitch or a wedge swingand then for the long game, you
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kind of want to set up on at p8with the shaft parallel just
post impact, swing it back andhit it through and that helps
you feel the force profiles.
That's exactly.
Yeah, I've got amazing resultswith my amateur students who
could not feel the appropriateforce profiles for those two
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different segments, twodifferent classes of swings, if
you will.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I love you described those perfectly and I like the
Morad terms because it makes iteasier to understand.
But when you start to swing atP2 and then you go to the top,
that's only going a few, yourhands are only going a few feet
right and the club's not goingvery far either.
And so the energy that you tookto do that, if you put that
same amount of energy in thefall through which isn't a lot
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you get a feel now for, likewhat the short game is about.
Same thing with what you saidwhen you started at P8.
Now you've got to really movethe club because you've got to
go a lot further in thebackswing to get there, and so
now you're feeling this extraenergy in, and if you use the
tones while you're doing it, nowyou've got guardrails to tell
you if you did it fast enough ortoo quick.
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So those are fantastic drillsthat are in there and, like you
said, it's a great way to feelthe energy and the timing, the
tempo that go with those.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I guess you can kind of see it in things like Matt
Wolfe he's got this littleshimmy goes to impact.
And then it in things like mattwolves he's got this little
shimmy goes to impact, and thenit's almost like he's at pn who
rips it back and then just ripsit through yeah, I love his
swing.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I love the energy to start the swing.
Um, just, you know he rips itback to get it going.
Um, my buddy, lee cox, over inengland, calls it the excalibur
drill, where you're trying topull the sword out of the stone.
Yeah, and I love that concept.
That's very similar to startingthat out front and I know when
I was growing up there wasteachers that actually had that
drill.
They just didn't combine itwith the tempo, because when you
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start out front at P8, and youstill have to meet your tempo
requirement, you just need somuch more energy.
And for me and I want to hearwhat you felt I felt I had to
grip it a little like put moreenergy into that grip.
I need to use the ground alittle bit more, otherwise I
couldn't get the energy in isthat similar?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
what you felt or what ?
What did you feel?
Yes, definitely, and with thatI want to talk a little bit
about, uh, tempo and three wordsgrf and three words GRF ground
reaction forces.
Can you talk a little bit abouthow tempo affects ground
reaction forces and how we canuse pluritempo to improve our
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GRF sequence?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, and I think what we're just talking about
really leads to it.
If you think about that firstdrill, we talked about starting
at P2, and then you have so muchtime to get back to the top
because you've already startedat a.
You know, half the backswing isalmost over.
You're just not going to needas much ground force to do that.
So anytime we can figure out away to add this energy tempo
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wise, that affects ground force,you see an increase in the
ground force.
Energy tempo wise, that affectsground force.
You see an increase in theground force.
The other thing I've done in mytour tempo master class and
I'll get you, uh, some of thosevideos as well is I'm starting
now to use the tones to the step, to some of the step drills you
may have seen out there oninstagram and whatnot I saw this
email.
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That's why that's right, that'sright, that's right that's
exactly right.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That drill has right.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
That's exactly right.
That drill has been incredibleand that's one of those you know
how it is for, like I bet youcan probably do any drill with
the ball solid right.
As a coach you've been doingthis a long, I know.
For me it's hard to findsomething that's like really
unique when you when you coach alot and hit a lot.
When the first time I ever didthat drill and kind of came up
with it, I was one of those ahamoments because what I've found
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was it was hard to do.
When you first try it, it's hardto time those tones up and hit
a ball, and when I gave that tomy first student they couldn't
do it to save their lives.
And the reason why is not onlybecause it's not easy, but
because their concept in theirown timing and rhythm with the
ground was way off.
Everybody is way late withground force, so they're late
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getting back, they're lategetting through.
The only thing most people cankind of get is the vertical, and
typically they do it at thestart of the backswing, which is
wrong, or they do it afterthey've hit the ball, which
again does you no good becausethe ball's long gone.
So I was combining what I do inthat ground force drill is I'm
taking a modified stance in inmoving my feet to the tones
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instead of the club head, andthat is sort of the game changer
in that drill.
And and what could be verymagical for people, basically
the fret.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
A stair drill is a dance move.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
It is a dance move.
Yes, yeah for sure.
Um, and, and what I justmentioned earlier is when we
look at tour tempo and thismight be something that's good
to lay a little landscape foreveryone we're always looking at
the club head.
So when I say rory's 21 7, Imean the club head traveled in
the backswing.
He did that in 21 frames,because I've seen and I'm sure
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you've seen this too, uh as well, is that before a guy like rory
or most golfers hit, there'sother movements involved.
Right, they start to press intothe ground, they start to move,
they start to shift, then theclub goes, whereas with the
average golfer, what you mightsee is that the club is the
first thing to go and then thebody reacts later.
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And so I'm I'm sure you've seenthat, and so part of that
ground force drill is can I getthe, get this foot moving before
the club does?
Let's move to everything elsebut the club, and that's that's
the key to sort of creating someleverage in something called a
moment arm in the golf swing.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I like how all these things, these concepts, work to
help a player improve their golfswing, their motor movement,
because, while it's internallyfocused, it's something so easy
to do Swing faster, move yourfeet faster versus oh, let's
have the face open close at thetop, as the case may be, and I
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feel that because the app isembedded in your phone, you can
just stick it in your pocket,have it run or through your
AirPods, and it actually breedssome kind of practice
consistency.
Now think about this If you areworking on your swing plane,
and every time you want topractice your swing plane,
you're going to take out thetable or the gadget as the case,
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you probably do it once ortwice and then that's the end of
it.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
You're right, adherence is half the battle.
You're only going to do thingsyou'll.
You know, I always hear thisthing of like what's the best
diet?
Well, it's the one you'll stickto.
And you just said I mean,actually, are we recording this?
Because some of the stuffjustin is saying here is
unbelievable.
But I like the way you.
I like the way you word it.
I'm liking the way you word itand the way you put it together.
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But this is great because youmake a good point.
I'm not going to take 10contraptions out to the driving
range or it's going to be hardfor me to even like.
How do you even know you'redoing a drill right, so to speak
?
Uh, when you're on the drivingrange, whereas with the tour
simpo you can have it in yourpocket, you can be listening to
airpods.
There's so many different to doit.
It's easy to video your swing,it's easy to count the frames.
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The concepts are simple.
So when you go to do all this,once you get over the hump of
starting on that tone, that'sthe only little hump there is in
the tour tempo is start, dun,dun, start, you know.
But once you get over that,it's a great way to practice.
And, by the way way, a lot ofgolfers when they go to the
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range they're brain dead.
Out there they're, they hit aball, break, another one hit it
and with tour tempo you now havegot to focus sort of on okay,
I've got to be aware of what'sgoing on here to do these tones
can you talk a little bit aboutwhat is the 12-tempo masterclass
package?
Sure thing, yeah.
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So what it is is we have moresongs out there that we wanted
to make available for people,and then also I would do a
lesson with a student and then Iwould come up with a certain
drill and that was part of thatground force drill.
So it was extra drills, extratime I could spend.
The videos are very long,they're very in detail and
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different things you can do withthe tones, using them in
different ways, like I said,with the ground and that type of
thing.
So it just takes the Tour Tempoapp to a whole nother level and
it does also give you extrasongs and what we call tracks.
So sometimes people after theylisten to the bum, bum, bum you
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know they've heard that amillion times but now we've got
these songs out there that youcan actually listen to in the
car or whatever, that they'reeasily listening.
And the other big thing I do inthe Tour of Tempo Masterclass
is I allow you to send me yourswing, I will do a tempo
analysis and I will.
So I'll tell you your tempo andI'll tell you what tempo might
work best for you.
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And then I will also say, hey,these three drills might be the
best drills for you, and thenthe other bonus we put in, there
is something I call the recode.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So and Kelvin Miyahira was a mentor of mine, I
think- you know Kelvin right,kelvin was a mentor of mine as
well.
Yes, I spent like five yearswith him.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
That's incredible, and Kelvin is an incredible man.
And one of the things I reallygot from Kelvin was you have to
light up muscles.
You can't just think things youhave to like how can I light
this muscle up?
So I came up with this conceptcalled the recode, and I was
using bands and medicine ballsand this and that to fire
muscles that I want to have fireand then use reciprocal
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inhibition to relax the musclesI want to relax.
And so what I found is if I'vegot a student that can't turn or
get their arms in the air, Ithink typically right then, and
there we can get you some morerange of motion.
But we need to recode it byfiring some muscles.
We can't, I can't just move youthere.
I've got to take a band, makeyou resist against it, pull the
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resistance away, and now you'vegot more movement.
So we also put recode drillswithin that masterclass as well.
So so that, hey, maybe yourtempo, we're getting a tempo
dialed in, we're getting theground force dialed in, let's
get a little more range ofmotion so you can have more
power.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Put that in there as well besides, uh, electronic
products, you have physicaltrading products as well.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat for sure?
Yeah, good, you have somethingcalled the poppet that helps you
make a faster, the light popper.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so a lot, yeah, a lot.
You know I mentioned my dad hadpassed away and he was really
helpful on the product.
So a lot of those products weare retooling to get back in
stocks.
You won't find those on theInternet available yet.
The two big ones are thespeedball, and that's going to
be available soon.
That's the product where youswing into the Velcro.
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I'm a real big believer, like Isaid, in firing muscles up, like
I mentioned, and that gives youresistance at impact, it's safe
on the body and it teaches youhey, I've got to overcome this
at impact.
And then the other product thatI'm selling right now on the
Tour Tempo website is called theDragonfly and that product is
again getting resistance right.
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And basically I basically took atowel and wrapped it on a
whippy club, but my version is alot better and I've got weight
in the handle, which was one ofKelvin's ideas that I stole from
him, which was one of Kelvin'sideas that I stole from him.
But when you have thisresistance at the end of the
shaft and then you tell yourbrain, hey, I want to well, I
call it torque the shaft, butyou want to bend that shaft,
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you're going to start to put alot more force into it.
And then the other thing I sawwith a lot of these golfers
especially when they comparedRory is that from the top of the
swing you've got to get going.
Once the gears have connectedthe, everything's got to go, and
so some of the drills with thedragonfly are getting the the
getting it to bend as well.
So we're using this resistanceto increase the energy, and
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that's what the dragonfly doesyou talk about the speedball.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Have you worked with a character by the name of ben
jackson?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
oh yeah, yes, for sure, the character is the right
word there.
Uh, ben's an amazing guy, um,and he, he loved the speedball
from day one because he saw itas a way to get resistance.
Take away the golf ball soyou'd free the golfer up and let
the golfer really uh, get afterit with no bad results, because
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you can't miss this thing.
So the speedball is it's aboutthe target.
He hits about the size of awoman's purse made of Velcro,
and then you have a golf clubwith a Velcro ball on the end
that you swing into.
And when you learn to swingthrough that, that impact zone
if you will and handle acollision, you learn to increase
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your speed.
The big thing I think missingfrom today's paradigm of speed
training is impact.
You see all these peopleswinging lightweight, this or
that.
There's no impact.
And there's a guy named StuartMcGill out of Canada.
He's the leading spine expertin the world.
He's back fit pro and Stuart,he did a lot of stuff with MMA
fighters and when you throw upor when a guy would throw a
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punch, like the best MMAfighters in the world, when they
throw a punch, the body's got ahuge contraction to start the
fist or the leg, then the legsort of floats in the air and
right before impact and uponimpact the whole body braces and
what that does is sort of givesyou that bruce lee one inch
punch effect, whereas you'rereally hitting with the whole
body.
When you hit my speedball, oreven when you hit an impact bag,
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you get that bracing right.
If you just do a swing as hardas you can and don't hit
anything, you don't get bracing,and that's a big problem for go
ahead now.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
So if you don't brace , you basically don't transfer
the force that you created fromthe proximal to the distal
segment.
So no whip cracking for you.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
That's exactly right.
But there's one other negative.
That's a huge one.
Your joints now have to takethe brunt of all that speed
instead of the object thatyou're hitting.
So if you ask a home run hitter, hey, what's the worst feeling
in baseball is swinging a mess.
I'm not sure if you've everdone any bow hunting or use a
crossbow, but there's a conceptcalled dry firing.
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You've ever heard of that?
Yeah, you're never supposed todry fire.
For the listener out there thatdoesn't know what that means.
You never take a bow without anarrow and shoot it, because if
you do, you'll destroy the bow,and so that's kind of what
you're doing in golf.
When you don't hit something,you're dry firing and you're,
you're, you're.
All that energy goes into thebow instead of the arrow.
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We want the energy into thearrow.
So that's a huge thing.
Now it's gotta be safe.
You can't just hit into a brickwall, wall, and sometimes an
impact bag is hard to really getyourself to.
You know, kill it, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
But with like the speedball or or even hitting
golf balls, you can really letit, let it go lee cox, whom I've
learned a lot from, alsosuggests this he would take a
callaway head cover because he'ssponsored by callaway and beat
the shit out of it with thedriver.
That's safe for the body so forguys who don't necessarily want
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to lug around a speedballbecause it's loud when I used to
train it.
I used to disturb theneighbours because they go like
what the hell is that?
It sounds like a gunshot.
Everyone says that, yeah, yeah,would swinging maybe a six iron
, seven iron in the bunker workthe same way Like you try to
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displace a lot of sand throughthe air?
Does that work?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Absolutely, it will be somewhat similar's.
It's a good little thing to do.
What I would do is probablybuild yourself up a little
little ball of sand to hit into,so to speak, um and make sure
the sand there's nothing inthere.
That would be one thing youdefinitely could do.
Um, the other thing is we'reworking on a, on a softer
version of the speedball, solook for that soon.
Um the other, I don't know ifyou ever tried this.
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You ever tried swinging in longgrass.
Yeah, that works.
Yeah, that works as well.
You got to make sure you knowyou can handle the grass,
obviously.
Um, just anything with a saferesistance is is going to be
better than just swinging in theair.
May?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
I suggest.
May I suggest something, john,if you could make your your uh
speedball, uh velcro, if youcould.
So you hit it here, itcollapses and then it retracts
back.
So I don't have to keep keeppicking up the, the velcro every
time yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Sometimes I miss that .
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, sometimes I miss the velcro well, it depends
so what we did.
You hit the boom and it comesback, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I missed the velcro.
Well, it depends on what we did.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
It comes back, yeah yeah, yeah, I like that you had
one of the original ones.
They were harder to stick backthen oh my god we've made it.
I know we've made them easierto stick because, yeah, you have
somebody hit it, it goes, flieson a roof or whatever.
We've made it easier.
I like that.
I like that.
So it'd be like almost a hinge.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I like that a lot yeah, and it was great stuff,
yeah, yeah I will tell you that,yeah, the the dragonfly.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
There's not an impact , but you really are.
You almost have a.
The drills that I do with it,especially the speed drills at
the bottom, the whole body'sbracing to get that thing going
and that thing is completelyquiet.
So I'm going to get you one ofthose to try because I think I
think you'll really like it and,like I said, I like impact.
But anything you can do thatgives me resistance, that I'm
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bracing, that's going to work aswell.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Got you.
Can we talk a little bit aboutthe Sumo bar?
And I think you and Kelvin didsomething called the woody iron
bar or something.
It was a huge piece of plastic,I want to say, and then all you
did was to shake it, and that'sright, that's right, yeah, that
was a body blade, body bodyblade and then the tsunami bars
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were the other one.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I think they're called um.
I think if you go to TsunamiSports you can find those.
But the idea was you mentionedthe word earlier proximal to
distal, and so the idea is tovibrate these bars, put energy
in so that the distal segmentswill move, but the proximal
segment stays about the same.
What I found with people isthey can't create and brace
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their own proximal, so when theygo like this they're moving
here.
You see that with golfers andso with that movement never
translates to the bar and thenit never translates out to the
end to get it to vibrate.
But what I found was and Istill use my tsunami bars today
especially as a warm up becauseit's a huge vibration to the
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body and it's a great way tofire up that proximal to distal,
fire up that core musculature.
So anything you can do that isa back and forth transferring
energy and those, like I said,body blade will do it and the
tsunami bars will do it as well.
Those are incredible for warmupor during a speed session to
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really feel that proximal todistal.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Lastly, I'd like to talk about eccentric training,
flywheel training and your useof the Kinetics product.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, that product is awesome.
Basically it's a flywheel.
I was first introduced to it bya friend of mine, mark Paris,
and it's a completely differentfeel of resistance and
weightlifting and things likethat.
It was made actually I don'tknow if you knew this it was
made for astronauts.
That was the originalapplication, because they didn't
have gravity.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, so you're spinning a flywheel and what it
allows you to do is you put theresistance in.
So, whatever, the harder you go, the harder it will hit you
back.
The other thing I love aboutthe flywheel is, you know, we
all know squats are good, right,but golf and heavy squats are a
bad combo.
That's tough on your back, andso with the flywheel, with the
K-Box, you can put a scraparound your waist so there's no
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pressure on your spine.
Still get an incredible workoutthrough the legs.
I've also now been using it.
Now think about this if you'redoing a traditional squat,
gravity is only going one way.
You can sort of move side toside, but it's still gravity
based.
I've been using the k box andsome of the other products to
move sideways, and that forcevector is different.
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There's another product I wantto tell you about that I've been
using, called Beyond power, andthat one is awesome as well.
Uh, it, it allows you to doFlywheel training.
It allows you to do resistance,band training, all these
different modalities built intothe system.
But check out Beyond power.
That's another awesome onethat's very portable as well.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Interesting yeah, so the human body loses speed,
strength and stamina in thatsequence as we age.
How do you manage to keep yourspeed at your age?
I've seen videos of you stillswinging the high what's 130, so
I'm gonna say I just did somehigh 130s last weekend.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I'm age 56 now.
I think, like you said, yourmuscle, and your fast-fetched
muscle specifically, starts todecline as you age, and the big
thing I've had to balance asI've gotten older is volume
stamina, so to speak.
And so what I've learned is,for me, once a week of the speed
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training in a very concentratedum uh session is the way to do
it.
If I do it too many times perweek I'm going to end up getting
injured because it's a taxi onthe body.
But I think the key is what.
I think the mistake for golferswhen they think in these terms
is they.
They forget that golf is, thegolf swing is very mechanical
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based, meaning most sprintersalready have perfect form, so
when they do speed work, it'sall about, you know, running as
fast they can, whereasconversely, most golfers have
terrible form and so if they cancreate lag, if they can create
better movements, those types ofthings, they're actually going
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to gain so much more speed thanjust trying to swing as hard as
they can.
So that would be myrecommendation first for a
golfer is tempo for speed first.
Secondly, mechanics Then workon your body, then look at speed
training.
Granted, you can do all thoseeven in the same session, but
don't just try to swing as hardas you can.
When you've got to, let's justsay your golf swing's not,
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you're coming over the top anddumping it.
That's not going to do well.
But to answer your questionspecifically for me, I've tried
to make sure in any time I go tothe gym or whatever it might be
, I add some fast twitch inthere and I do it in a way
that's safe.
I like a medicine ball slam orif I'm feeling really good I'll
do some sprinting, um, thosetypes of things I think really
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help.
And the other big one ismobility.
So I still have a pretty longbackswing You've probably seen
it and yeah, so I'm real big onbeing mobile where the body is
supposed to be mobile, meaning,you know, thoracic spine, being
able to get the arms in the air,and your hips.
Those would be, you know, threeof the big ones.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Do you engage in heavy lifting?
There is a trend towards heavylifting with uh guys like brooks
, kepka, dustin johnson and rorymcgillroy yeah, I, I do think
heavy lifting has got its place.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
I think you got to be really careful and really know
what you're doing and and reallyhave a trainer involved in
those types of things.
Um, but I do think the mistakeI think golfers make in the gym
is that let's just say and I'mgoing to sort of throw bands
under the bus here, but I and Ilove bands, but if you only do
band type of stuff, that's not abig enough stimulus, probably
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for the body.
You need to get a nice stimulus.
The body works on SAID specificadaptation to increase demands
Right, and so it's always a nicestimulus.
The body works on SAID specificadaptation to increase demands
right, and so it's always aboutthat stimulus.
And it's also about how beat upare you?
I don't know how you are, butwe all are beat up in one way or
another and you have to respectthat.
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You have to respect your body,and so if you find a lift that
you can go heavy in and itdoesn't hurt you, then I go all
in on that.
I'll give you one quick example.
There's something called a Marsbar.
I don't know if you've everseen one.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
I eat them all the time.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
It's not the one you can eat.
It's called Mars bar.
It's a guy here in LawrenceKansas actually invented it.
It's sort of a safety squat bar.
But it's even better becauseit's hands-free and I've found I
can do uh, I can do like fouror 500 pounds with that thing
and you know, I don't go all theway deep and I don't do
anything crazy, but it's calledand I do a hat field squat, so
(53:35):
I'm using my arms to support me,okay, but I found I don't get
hurt and and I found it reallygives me a nice stimulus and I
don't do them that often, youknow, but if you find something
that you're really good at andyou can go heavy with that, I
think that's powerful.
I think that's something Idon't think you should.
Just look at Brooks Koepken,look at his work.
I'm going, okay, I'm going todo this, this and this all heavy
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, because I think you'll getdestroyed.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Thanks for your insights on that.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Where can our listeners find more about you
and your products?
For sure, the website istourtempocom, and then I'm very
active on Instagram and it's attourtempo.
So those would be the two mainplaces to really really check
this out.
And then in the app store it'sthe Tour Tempo Total Game app,
and then the Android it's thesame total game app, and then
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the android it's the same tourtempo total game.
Um, so you can also check theapp out there.
And then the free app is the uhtour tempo frame counter.
That's available on ios andthat's a great way to sort of
get yourself uh in in on the mix.
And then the books are outthere tour tempo, and you
mentioned tour tempo 2, and thentour tempo force 4.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
It's all on Amazon.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, so in summary, bychanging a golfer's tempo, we
can pretty much change hismotion in a quick and easy
fashion.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
That's exactly right, 100%.
That's sort of the whole idea.
I mean, if you take nothingelse from this interview, go try
a faster backswing right nowand just see what happens.
It's going to feel crazy, butgive yourself five to 10 shots
just to feel it.
And the other thing is is getthat Tour Tempo Frame Counter
app.
It's free.
Look and see what your tempo is, because if you're 36.12 or
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even 30.10 or slower I guaranteeyou're 36, 12, or even 30, 10
or slower I guarantee you'regoing to get 10, 20 yards right
away by increasing your tempo.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Nothing to lose, but yards to gain.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I love it.
I love it.
That's it.
Any last questions for JohnJesse?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
You asked them all already.
So good, this is one of myfavorite ones ever.
I've done a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
This was great.
You've read it all, so this isone of my favorite ones ever you
got.
I've done a lot of these.
This was great oh, you've readit.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
You've read it all, so this is good um, you know, I
want to add one point to, to allof the, the, the hogan
aficionados and the.
You know, I mean just askyourself if, nick, if, if hogan
uh was dainty, or did he take arep at it?
Speaker 3 (56:01):
I love it.
You ended it perfectly.
Here's what's really crazyabout Tour de Zimpo.
It's been since the beginningof time.
Nobody in the Hogan era reallyswung.
There was no low and slow backthen.
Right Hogan was 21-7, superfast.
Sneed 24-8.
All those guys from you knowthe early Jack Nicklaus was so
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fast.
Even Jack in his prime wasstill 24-8.
So I love that these guys wereripping at it and they did
pretty well with terribleequipment.
So yeah, they're amazing Allright.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Thanks, John.
Can't thank you enough, John,for gracing us with your
presence and sharing your wisdomand knowledge.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
This was a great one.
I really appreciate being onand, honestly, if you could get
me, I want this video.
I want to put some of theseclips up on the Instagram
because I think there's somesolid gold in this one.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, we'll arrange something.
Yeah, that'd be great you.
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman from the Flag Hunters
Golf Podcast, welcoming you toanother great conversation that
Justin Tang and I.
Justin, one of the greatinstructors in the Orient, who
is based at the Tanimere GolfClub in Singapore, and our guest
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this week is a man by the nameof John Novosel.
John is the owner of the TourTempo methodology.
It was started by his father afew years ago and the
methodology is based on findingquantifiable tempos within the
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world's best golf swings, andthen we can actually apply this
methodology and technology toour own motions.
So I liken it to a metrodome.
It's like a metrodome for ourgolf swings and it's something
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that is not talked about as faras in mainstream golf
instruction and improvement,that there are actually
consistencies from the world'sbest, that we can actually find
ourselves and figure out what,what beats, that our golf swing
(01:25):
can resonate with and that wecan work on.
I myself, I do have the TourTempo app.
I have gone out andexperimented with it and it's
phenomenal.
It really gets you to allowyour body a little bit more
fluidity and less angst as faras your left brain.
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Going in there and working onit and controlling it, I have
found a lot of surprisingdiscoveries while using the
tones, and that is my connectionto the ground improved.
My connection to the groundimproved, stability in my lower
body improved, the depth of mybackswing improved all with just
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following these tones.
So John really explains it inthe main body of this
conversation and I certainly donot want to impede with this
long-winded intro.
You can find John atwwwtourtempocom and he
frequently posts on Instagramand his Instagram handle is at
(02:38):
tourtempo, and enjoy thisconversation because it's really
enlightening.
And enjoy this conversationbecause it's really enlightening
and I just enjoyed the same waythat you, the listener, would,
with eyes wide open and earswide open and the information is
sound and it's very interestingand extremely intriguing and
something that, for those of uswho listen to this podcast, that
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are the better player that youmay want to consider as a tool
in your tool belt, a resourcethat can absolutely get you out
of your head and more in yourbody mind, so to speak, so in
your right brain, and I foundthat to be the case for me and
(03:20):
other people that I know thathave used Tour Tempo, used the
app and have used the tones notonly in your long game but also
in your short game and puttingas well, works very, very well
with your wedges, with yourshort game and with putting.
So, without further ado, thanksagain for listening.
Please rate, review andsubscribe, and I will make sure
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to have all of the connectinginformation in the show notes.
And have a great week, everyonecheers.
Thanks for joining us.
(04:06):
This is Jesse Perryman of theFlag Hunters Podcast, along with
my partner, my brother fromanother mother lead one of the
master instructors in all ofAsia out of the Tanimera Golf
Club.
His name is Justin Tang, andour guest today is somebody I've
been a fan of for a long time.
I've been familiar with hiswork.
His name is John Novosel fromTour Tempo.
(04:27):
John, thanks, pal for coming on, justin, always.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Thanks for having me on.
Thanks Jesse, thanks John.
Such a pleasure to have a guyof your experience come on to
share with our listener basewhat you and your dad have
discovered.
Can we have a quick, reallybrief intro on how you and your
dad discovered Tour Tempo?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Sure thing, thanks for having me on.
I think the long and short ofthe discovery of Tour Tempo is
that my dad never set out tofigure this out, he just
happened to stumble upon it.
We were doing an infomercial.
For those of you under the ageof 40, you may not know what
that is, but that was for theGolf Channel infomercial.
For those of you under the ageof 40, you may not know what
that is, but that was for theGolf Channel and we were looking
at video and we happened tonotice Jan Stevenson's swing.
(05:10):
She's a former US Open championand she took it back in about
nine-tenths of a second, but wehappened to notice it was 27
frames and then she came down onher downswing in nine frames.
So she had this thing that wekind of looked at was 27.9.
We didn't think that was any bigdeal because the current
paradigm from tempo was uh, hey,everyone's got their own tempo,
(05:33):
you should swing how you'resupposed to swing and it's all
based on you.
And then we saw that tiger'stempo and the 97 masters, when
he won by like 50 shots, was 27in the backswing and nine on the
downswing.
And all of a sudden we thought,uh-oh or hello, something's
going on here and we startedlooking and it wasn't just the
(05:54):
27-9, which is the three to oneratio, it was also.
We were seeing guys like NickPrice or even Ernie Els.
At the time was 24-8.
And so we were seeing thesefaster swings and this three to
one ratio and all of a suddentempo.
Wasn't this weird thing?
It was that was hard todescribe by words, like such a
(06:15):
slow or smooth.
It was now something that wastangible and you could reach out
and touch it and feel it andtry it, and it was faster and it
was more of this ratio that wasinvolved.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So there are two things at play here, right, john
?
We've got tempo, which is the,I guess, overall speed, and then
there is also rhythm, which isa ratio, the ratio of the time
it takes for you to completeyour downswing versus the
backswing I like that.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I would.
I would put it a slightlydifferent way and I love the.
I love that you're bringing up,uh, tempo and rhythm as two
different things, because theyare.
So here's what I've kind ofcome to the conclusion over all
these years is tempo is elapsed,time period, final the end?
That's the definition.
So what I found is that youdon't get to have your own tempo
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, you get rhythm within thetempo.
That's where you see thedifferences Fred Couples, tiger,
you name the golfer Jake Knapp,that's where you see maybe your
own personal rhythm, but thetempo really remains a constant
for these tour professionals ofthis, three to one in about a
(07:22):
second, from takeaway to impactof this three-to-one in about a
second, from takeaway to impact.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Are you saying that tempo?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
relates to a person's individual personality.
I'm actually saying theopposite.
I'm saying that yourpersonality should not
necessarily correlate to yourtempo.
Here's the question I have forany coach out there.
Let's say you've got an NBAplayer or a spr sprinter and
they kind of walk so and talkslow.
Should they on the basketballcourt or on the track?
Should they run slow and jumpslow?
(07:52):
Nope, um, so you've got to dowhat the sport requires.
You know what I'm getting at isyou got to do what the sport
requires of you, right, and golfthese days is requiring more
speed and power, and tempo isone way to do it.
Tempo is also a way to sort ofget weird of all these weird
moves.
If you think of a guy likemacko grady we all love his
(08:13):
swing there's not a lot ofextraneous movement that makes
the tempo actually go faster.
So, um, tempo I look at as atime thing, rhythm.
Rhythm is more of the, thesignature within it, and and
that that, I see, is somethingthat may correlate to your, your
personality, but the tempoitself is something that we
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really need to try.
Let's try this to our tempo,first and foremost.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So do we need to be exact in the tempo that we
choose, or is it good enough tobe in the ballpark in the zip
code, so to speak?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, that is a great question and it's absolutely
fine to be within the zip code.
You don't need to be perfect.
It's like a lot of things ingolf you don't have to have a
perfectly straight left arm, youdon't have to have a perfectly
this or that.
Let's do one definition for thelisteners.
When I say 21.7, what I'mreferring to is frames of video.
There's 30 frames in one second.
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So 21 frames going back, that'sabout two thirds of a second.
Seven coming down, that's abouta fifth of a second somewhere
in there.
So if you're 22.7 or 22-7,that's fine, or it doesn't need
to be perfect, just within.
Let's say, you're 36-12 or36-10.
(09:32):
Those are almost three to one,but it's taking so much time to
get to impact.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I think that's the type of person that's going to
see these instant results withtour tempo, because when you do,
when you go faster, uh, fromtakeaway to impact, you'll
typically pick up speed with theclub as well I recall a study
or an analysis that you and yourdad did of some players who's
who basically, uh, startedleaking oil on the back nine and
(10:01):
you took videos of them andsaid, hey look, tempo's off, or
they came back from or theystarted to overhaul their swings
and then you saw that the tempowas just out of sync.
Could you talk about thepredictive abilities of to a
tempo?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
absolutely.
Let's take a guy uh, let'stiger in his prime.
Uh, you know he's mainly been21-7.
Back in the year 2000 when hewas really when it was
unbelievable, he was 24-8.
Tiger never really veered.
Once he locked into a tempo, itpretty much on all full swings
that was the tempo.
It never veered off.
And what you'll see, with goodplayers they can actually get
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almost too careful and get slow.
And there's these extra frames,so to speak, and average
golfers think they get too quick.
Right, and they're not asconsistent.
But usually when an averagegolfer thinks they get too quick
, they actually got real slow onthe takeaway and then they have
to get quick in transition andso that's why you see a lot of
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guys that put speed in early andthat's why it doesn't look
rushed at the top.
Think of a Fred Couples or aJake Knapp or even Rory.
There's a lot of speed early soyou don't have to rush at the
top and that's a huge way tolook at this and feel this.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Hang on.
So are you saying that low andslow is not a good thing on the
back swing?
So are you saying that low andslow is not a good thing on the
back swing?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I absolutely am.
For most golfers, low and slowis not going to be helpful.
It's going to get you thinkingtoo much, it's going to get you
a lot of tension that we don'twant and it's going to get you
careful.
There's this illusion with lowand slow that you're going to be
more accurate, but again, goback to Rory.
Watch the takeaway.
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He's the best driver in thegame.
It's nothing in his swing isslow, it's moving, it's
rhythmical, it's going.
He fits the pattern perfectly.
The other unbelievable examplejust watch it on TV now Ludwig
Oberg.
He gets up there and just ripsit back, rips it through, and he
hits it incredible.
So I think low and slow is anillusion, and what you've got to
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do, though, is find the righttempo for you, and that's why,
in the Tour Tempo universe andthe Tour Tempo app, we've got
five different tempos to choosefrom.
That really will help you pickthe right one for you.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I suppose it's like throwing a ball right If you're
throwing it to first base, yourback swing need not be as fast
as if you were throwing tosecond base, which is a bit
further.
Would that be a good analogy?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, I mean think about the requirement of the
action right.
The more speed and power, thefurther you need to throw an
object or hit it, you're goingto see more speed in the tempo
of the of the entire thing aswell.
So, yeah, that's a good analogyand that's why you'll see, with
the short game and let's saymaybe 100 yards, and in it's a
slightly different tempo, it'smore two to one than three to
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one so it's it.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
We should not be telling usain bolt not to run so
fast because he might veer offthe lane.
Just doesn't make sense.
So would you say that 12 tempois a low-hanging fruit and could
just be the one thing thathelps our listeners change five
other things in their swing?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Absolutely yes.
The reason it's so low-hangingis that you can take a quality
of the greatest players of alltime and the greatest players
currently, such as Rory, tiger,ludwig, all these guys.
You can take that quality.
They have their tempo and youcan try it and go and do it and
use it and feel it.
Right now you can get the TourTempo app, go to the driving
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range, start trying this.
You know what you can't have.
You can't have Rory's body orJake Knapp's body or any of
these guys' bodies or theirphysical attributes or their
speed and those types of thingsor their quick hips, so those
things are so hard to take froma Tour Pro.
But you can take that tempo.
Go work on it right now.
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Find the one that's right foryou, try it and it is very
low-hanging fruit.
Now will it cure five differentthings mechanically sometimes
yes, sometimes all these weirdthings are doing it'll cure,
sometimes it won't.
So the one thing it will cureyou on is thinking during the
shot, because that is gone,because there's no time to think
while you're listening to thesetones.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Why would I want Rory's body?
I want John Daly's body man.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
You can't have John Daly's body either.
Nobody's getting that body.
But guess what?
He's always been toward tempo,even with that long swing.
He's 24-8, and he's got thatlong swing and I love you
bringing that up.
But who's going to have allthat leverage in his swing?
You're probably not.
But you can try that tempo andsee how it works for you.
How about Bubba Watson?
I guess it would be the same.
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He actually is also 24-8.
The guys on tour with thoselonger swings it takes longer to
do it.
The long drive guys with thelong swings actually still do it
super fast, so they go longerand less time.
And that's one of my keys whenI'm working with my students.
It's an absolute, guaranteed,100% ironclad deal I make with
people.
If I get you more load in thebackswing and we do it in less
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time, you're going to increaseblood bed speed period.
Final the end.
Now, it's not the easiest thingto do but it can be done, like
lifting the left heel, thosetypes of things.
But you're absolutely going togain speed with a longer, faster
backswing, for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, this might be a bit more advanced.
So, instead of using a 1-to-3ratio, how about if you use a
1-to-2 ratio or a 1-to-4 ratioduring training?
How does that affect yourbaseline tempo and your club
head speed?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
that is an interesting question.
I've never really, uh, done agreat experiment with it.
I do know that when you go fromthe two to one tones of the
short game and then you go tothree to one, immediately feels
a lot faster on the downswingBecause, let's say, you're using
the 2010 tones for your shortgame and then you go to 21.7.
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So about the same length or thesame time in the backswing,
it's 30% faster on the downswing.
So you definitely feel that bigdifference.
I've never really done the fourto one.
I will tell you that sometimesI'll go to, let's say, 21 seven.
After I've been doing it.
I've done it for a long timenow.
It's feeling kind of normal.
If you will, sometimes I'll use24 eight.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Then when I go to 21 seven, it makes it feel super
fast and okay, could you talk alittle bit about the difference
in tempo for the long game andthe short game?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
sure, sure thing, and I think it might be helpful for
everybody out there just tohear some of these, what I'm
talking about from the app.
So this is going to be what I'mgoing to play for you that from
the app, the 21-7 tones, andthis is currently like rory
mcroy, rory mcroy, levig obergtiger in his heyday.
So this is three tones one tostart your swing, one for the
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top of the swing and one forimpact.
It sounds like this um, umphone, start off impact.
So that's how quick that is and, like I said earlier, you don't
have time for a lot of thinkingbecause you're doing that,
because you've got to respond tothose.
Now I'm going to play the sameamount of backswing, but the
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short game, 2-1.
Bump, bump, bump.
Start top impact.
So way more time on thatdownswing.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I much prefer the first edition you got a guy that
goes 21, 7.
It was like listening to asoundtrack, yeah, and I think,
if I recall it used to run forlike two to three minutes so you
could get through like five,six balls, like quite absolutely
yep and it.
What I felt, uh it did for meback then, was it made the swing
(18:03):
very much reactive.
You were reacting to somethings, almost like playing
soccer or basketball, where youreact to a stimulus and you're
right, you can't think aboutanything.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, there's no thinking there.
I love what you're sayinggetting reactive.
So, as soon as you play thesetones, all of a sudden we're
accessing a different part ofyour brain than that, Because
think of most golfers they'retypically going to be very left
brain.
They've watched a ton ofYouTube videos, read a ton of
stuff.
That's not the brain that youactually play golf with.
Right, the brain that you playsports with is that reactive and
(18:38):
I'm going to call it the rightbrain.
If you will, we call it theright brain.
If you will, we call it thesubconscious self-two, whatever
you want to call it.
But you're right, we need to bemore reactive.
Well, as soon as you do thesetones, you've got to get into a
reactive state because you'vegot to respond now to the tones
as they're playing, and that's ahuge thing for golfers, because
the ball is not going to moveand you need to figure out how
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can I make this reactive?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And it's one way to do it is with Stuart Tempo.
Before we go to the nextsegment, can you share a little
bit about some of the dramaticchanges you have seen with your
students using Stuart Tempo?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
One that comes to mind is ayoung man.
I've just been working with Hisname's Gunnar.
He's here in Lawrence, kansasand he was in the low to mid
160s.
I usually look at ball speedbecause it's a very objective
number and his tempo was aboutin the 30-10 range.
We recently got him more 24-8.
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He's now touching 180 andcruising at about 174.
And so we did a few other thingswith the swing as well.
We lengthened it a little bitand things like that.
But the tempo it was justamazing to see that that the
tempo and putting some energyinto the backswing, that puts
energy into the system.
One of the guys from theoriginal book, his tempo was
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44.11.
So we'd almost taken two fullseconds to swing from takeaway
to impact and he started hittinghis irons.
You know he got I think we gothim even to 27, 9, 24, 8, but he
started hitting 20 to 30 yardsfurther with his irons and I'll
never forget the voice messagehe left my dad and I, which was
hey, I can't score because I'mair mailing greens now by.
You know, 20 to 30 yards, whichis a good problem to have less
(20:20):
world problems yeah, but yeah,exactly, that's a big time first
world problem, um.
But when I get a student or seesomeone with that slow backswing
um, and they look like a person, that's, they got any
athleticism, any athleticism atall, I get excited.
I start looking my chopsbecause I know when we get them
to 24, 8 or 21, 7, we're goingto start to see those results
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come right away.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So if you have a long swing or your swing doesn't
change in length but your timinggoes down, then something else
would have changed you wouldhave increased the force and the
acceleration profile of yourswing.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
This guy's smart, this guy's on, it 's on it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, that'sexactly right.
So, yeah, I read your books,man.
Well, think about this.
You can, you can.
There's two things.
You can get a touch in theground kind of effect in the
golf swing.
You can affect the grip and youcan affect the ground right
other, and you've got your bodyto do it.
But those are the main things,two things you affect.
So if you just said, where am Igoing to put in more force?
(21:24):
Well, to go faster, you'reprobably going to put more force
in the ground.
You're also going to put moreforce in the grip, and that adds
to this thing that they're nowcalling impulse, and this
impulse is sort of the totalamount of energy in the system.
Well, guess what?
Increasing your tempo orswinging in less time, that
increases the impulse.
And so when we increase theseforces, good things happen.
Now here's what I've found.
(21:45):
Just like everything in life,there's a Goldilocks sweet spot
for this stuff.
So for me, when I originallygot started with my dad, I was
27.9.
I got to 21.7, saw these bigincreases, but as I go to 18.6,
I don't gain and, as a matter offact, my sequence gets a little
off, bryson DeChambeau when hegoes to 18.6, it's incredible,
right?
(22:05):
So you've got to find theGoldilocks, that bell curve of
like what's the golden tempo foryou within these tempos.
Typically for most people it'ssomewhere between, you know,
21.7, 24.8, somewhere in there.
But you've got to find it foryou because some people can get
to 18.6.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Others that started really slow they're going to be
more in that 27.9 range.
Would it be right to think of18.6?
As the province of unicorns andyou need capacity to actually
function at that range.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I like that.
I also call it Ricky Fowler onRed Bull.
You know, 18.6 is HenrikStinson, it's Bryson, but it is
a little bit unicorn-ish andoccasionally, believe it or not,
I actually had a student.
We had to slow him down, whichrarely you find.
But I think the big thing yousee is with all these is if I
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put energy in early, then I'mnot rushed at the top, and
that's the big game changer,sequence wise for these golfers
when they're working on tempo.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
What is Nick Price's tempo?
Out of curiosity.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
He was one of the fastest guys back in the day at
21.7.
But now there's so many guysthat swing that fast.
One of the new fastest guysthat I don't know if you think
of it or not, but when you watchit you see it is Wyndham Clark.
Wyndham Clark's swing is sofast and he's got incredible
speeds.
But yeah, nick Price was one ofthe early guys with a really
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fast 21-7 tempo.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So we had Tour Tempo 1.
We had Tour Tempo 2.
Can you talk about Tour Tempo 4?
We had Tour Tempo 2.
Can you talk about Tour TempoForce?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
What led to Tour Tempo Forcewas conversations that I had
with a physicist from Yale.
He's now doing some privatestuff.
When you talk about smartestguy in the room, this guy is the
smartest guy in the room.
His name is Dr Robert Grober,and what I had been looking?
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Robert Grober and what I had been looking at.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Go ahead, robert Grober.
Yeah, if you do a search forRobert Grober tempo for the
listeners out there you'll findone of those white papers.
It's called towards abiomechanical understanding of
tempo in the golf swing, and heand another guy, yasek Kulowicki
, they basically backed up allthe data that my dad and I had.
Uh, and they did it and theyshowed in a lot with the laws of
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physics how this all worked andeverything.
It's pretty wild.
But what grover said was if youwind a spring up okay, let's
call it a harmonic oscillator,which is spring, and then you
unwind it with twice the force,guess what that tempo will be?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
three, to one.
That's right.
Yeah, like I said, smart guy,so it's a Three to one.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's right, like I said, smart guy.
So it's a three to one ratio.
Now what I found was this, andI'm going to give you a little
bit of a long story here andI'll make it as succinct as I
can so we have something calledthe Tour Tempo Frame Counter and
on your phone you can get thatapp.
It's free and you can go in andcount your frames and see what
tempo you are.
So I was looking at RoyMcIlroy's swing and I noticed he
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took 22 frames to the top.
And then I hit the play buttonand I didn't hit the.
I forgot to get him at impactand went all the way to the
finish.
So his backswing was 22.
Tell me and when I hit theimpact button at his finish the
wrong spot tell me what thatnumber was.
I'm just throwing this at you.
I know you don't, you know youmay or may not know this, but 22
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back, how long was it?
From the top of the backswingall the way to the finish.
It's serenade in the face.
I've only given you one numbereight frames.
No, it's 22.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So so, okay, okay, the entire sequence, the entire
sequence.
Yeah, so he was 22-7 to impact.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
But he was 22 back to the top of the swing and then
another 22 from the top of theswing to the full finish.
So that's one-to-one.
That's a one-to-one ratio.
So guess what?
I started looking at all thetour pros and every tour pro I
looked at within a frame or twowas a one-to-one ratio.
And the tour pros and everytour pro I looked at within a
frame or two was a one-to-oneratio.
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And so I called Grover andasked him like what is this?
What's going on here?
And he like laughed at me likeI had just tried to explain some
basic physics to him.
But basically what he told mewas if you take a pendulum and
you swing it, and it's a longamplitude, and then you take one
and swing it, it's a short one,guess what?
Those will be the same amountof elapsed time.
Okay.
So a pendulum, that's right.
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So a pendulum has somethingcalled isochronism, means same
time, okay.
So what he said was is thisback from takeaway to the top of
your swing, that's one pendulum.
And from the top of your swingall the way through to the
finish, that's another pendulum.
That.
And from the top of your swingall the way through to the
finish.
That's another pendulum.
That's why they're equal.
So when you look at these guyson tour, the guys that look the
most rhythmical, the most smooth, all those things, they've got
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the one-to-one ratio and, by theway, when you do the one-to-one
on a full swing, it's going tobe three to one to impact.
So that's what the tour tempoforce book is exploring that
concept, and I've got drills inthere and ideas of how to
exploit that, especially for theshort game.
Because now with the short game, it's basically a pendulum
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motion.
Pendulums are driven by gravity.
Gravity never changes.
So what you want to feel inyour short game is sort of this
even amount of energy into thebackswing and the follow through
.
Too many people are trying toaccelerate with the short game
and unless the shot is superspecial, crazy, you don't need
acceleration, you just need this.
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Even you don't want to deceleither.
You want to be more of apendulum.
So that's what the force isabout and it's a.
It's a really cool explorationin moving the two books along
and also talking about how can Iuse this principle to hit the
ball farther as well.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I remember the two drills in Tour Tempo Force, one
for the short game and one forthe long game, and it went
something like this you set upwith the shaft parallel on the
backswing, or what we call inmore apt terms p2, and then make
, make a pitch or a wedge swingand then for the long game, you
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kind of want to set up on at p8with the shaft parallel just
post impact, swing it back andhit it through and that helps
you feel the force profiles.
That's exactly.
Yeah, I've got amazing resultswith my amateur students who
could not feel the appropriateforce profiles for those two
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different segments, twodifferent classes of swings, if
you will.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I love you described those perfectly and I like the
Morad terms because it makes iteasier to understand.
But when you start to swing atP2 and then you go to the top,
that's only going a few, yourhands are only going a few feet
right and the club's not goingvery far either.
And so the energy that you tookto do that, if you put that
same amount of energy in thefall through which isn't a lot
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you get a feel now for, likewhat the short game is about.
Same thing with what you saidwhen you started at P8.
Now you've got to really movethe club because you've got to
go a lot further in thebackswing to get there, and so
now you're feeling this extraenergy in, and if you use the
tones while you're doing it, nowyou've got guardrails to tell
you if you did it fast enough ortoo quick.
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So those are fantastic drillsthat are in there and, like you
said, it's a great way to feelthe energy and the timing, the
tempo that go with those.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I guess you can kind of see it in things like Matt
Wolfe he's got this littleshimmy goes to impact.
And then it in things like mattwolves he's got this little
shimmy goes to impact, and thenit's almost like he's at pn who
rips it back and then just ripsit through yeah, I love his
swing.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I love the energy to start the swing.
Um, just, you know he rips itback to get it going.
Um, my buddy, lee cox, over inengland, calls it the excalibur
drill, where you're trying topull the sword out of the stone.
Yeah, and I love that concept.
That's very similar to startingthat out front and I know when
I was growing up there wasteachers that actually had that
drill.
They just didn't combine itwith the tempo, because when you
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start out front at P8, and youstill have to meet your tempo
requirement, you just need somuch more energy.
And for me and I want to hearwhat you felt I felt I had to
grip it a little like put moreenergy into that grip.
I need to use the ground alittle bit more, otherwise I
couldn't get the energy in isthat similar?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
what you felt or what ?
What did you feel?
Yes, definitely, and with thatI want to talk a little bit
about, uh, tempo and three wordsgrf and three words GRF ground
reaction forces.
Can you talk a little bit abouthow tempo affects ground
reaction forces and how we canuse pluritempo to improve our
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GRF sequence?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, and I think what we're just talking about
really leads to it.
If you think about that firstdrill, we talked about starting
at P2, and then you have so muchtime to get back to the top
because you've already startedat a.
You know, half the backswing isalmost over.
You're just not going to needas much ground force to do that.
So anytime we can figure out away to add this energy tempo
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wise, that affects ground force,you see an increase in the
ground force.
Energy tempo wise, that affectsground force.
You see an increase in theground force.
The other thing I've done in mytour tempo master class and
I'll get you, uh, some of thosevideos as well is I'm starting
now to use the tones to the step, to some of the step drills you
may have seen out there oninstagram and whatnot I saw this
email.
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That's why that's right, that'sright, that's right that's
exactly right.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That drill has right.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
That's exactly right.
That drill has been incredibleand that's one of those you know
how it is for, like I bet youcan probably do any drill with
the ball solid right.
As a coach you've been doingthis a long, I know.
For me it's hard to findsomething that's like really
unique when you when you coach alot and hit a lot.
When the first time I ever didthat drill and kind of came up
with it, I was one of those ahamoments because what I've found
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was it was hard to do.
When you first try it, it's hardto time those tones up and hit
a ball, and when I gave that tomy first student they couldn't
do it to save their lives.
And the reason why is not onlybecause it's not easy, but
because their concept in theirown timing and rhythm with the
ground was way off.
Everybody is way late withground force, so they're late
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getting back, they're lategetting through.
The only thing most people cankind of get is the vertical, and
typically they do it at thestart of the backswing, which is
wrong, or they do it afterthey've hit the ball, which
again does you no good becausethe ball's long gone.
So I was combining what I do inthat ground force drill is I'm
taking a modified stance in inmoving my feet to the tones
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instead of the club head, andthat is sort of the game changer
in that drill.
And and what could be verymagical for people, basically
the fret.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
A stair drill is a dance move.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
It is a dance move.
Yes, yeah for sure.
Um, and, and what I justmentioned earlier is when we
look at tour tempo and thismight be something that's good
to lay a little landscape foreveryone we're always looking at
the club head.
So when I say rory's 21 7, Imean the club head traveled in
the backswing.
He did that in 21 frames,because I've seen and I'm sure
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you've seen this too, uh as well, is that before a guy like rory
or most golfers hit, there'sother movements involved.
Right, they start to press intothe ground, they start to move,
they start to shift, then theclub goes, whereas with the
average golfer, what you mightsee is that the club is the
first thing to go and then thebody reacts later.
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And so I'm I'm sure you've seenthat, and so part of that
ground force drill is can I getthe, get this foot moving before
the club does?
Let's move to everything elsebut the club, and that's that's
the key to sort of creating someleverage in something called a
moment arm in the golf swing.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I like how all these things, these concepts, work to
help a player improve their golfswing, their motor movement,
because, while it's internallyfocused, it's something so easy
to do Swing faster, move yourfeet faster versus oh, let's
have the face open close at thetop, as the case may be, and I
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feel that because the app isembedded in your phone, you can
just stick it in your pocket,have it run or through your
AirPods, and it actually breedssome kind of practice
consistency.
Now think about this If you areworking on your swing plane,
and every time you want topractice your swing plane,
you're going to take out thetable or the gadget as the case,
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you probably do it once ortwice and then that's the end of
it.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
You're right, adherence is half the battle.
You're only going to do thingsyou'll.
You know, I always hear thisthing of like what's the best
diet?
Well, it's the one you'll stickto.
And you just said I mean,actually, are we recording this?
Because some of the stuffjustin is saying here is
unbelievable.
But I like the way you.
I like the way you word it.
I'm liking the way you word itand the way you put it together.
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But this is great because youmake a good point.
I'm not going to take 10contraptions out to the driving
range or it's going to be hardfor me to even like.
How do you even know you'redoing a drill right, so to speak
?
Uh, when you're on the drivingrange, whereas with the tour
simpo you can have it in yourpocket, you can be listening to
airpods.
There's so many different to doit.
It's easy to video your swing,it's easy to count the frames.
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The concepts are simple.
So when you go to do all this,once you get over the hump of
starting on that tone, that'sthe only little hump there is in
the tour tempo is start, dun,dun, start, you know.
But once you get over that,it's a great way to practice.
And, by the way way, a lot ofgolfers when they go to the
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range they're brain dead.
Out there they're, they hit aball, break, another one hit it
and with tour tempo you now havegot to focus sort of on okay,
I've got to be aware of what'sgoing on here to do these tones
can you talk a little bit aboutwhat is the 12-tempo masterclass
package?
Sure thing, yeah.
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So what it is is we have moresongs out there that we wanted
to make available for people,and then also I would do a
lesson with a student and then Iwould come up with a certain
drill and that was part of thatground force drill.
So it was extra drills, extratime I could spend.
The videos are very long,they're very in detail and
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different things you can do withthe tones, using them in
different ways, like I said,with the ground and that type of
thing.
So it just takes the Tour Tempoapp to a whole nother level and
it does also give you extrasongs and what we call tracks.
So sometimes people after theylisten to the bum, bum, bum you
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know they've heard that amillion times but now we've got
these songs out there that youcan actually listen to in the
car or whatever, that they'reeasily listening.
And the other big thing I do inthe Tour of Tempo Masterclass
is I allow you to send me yourswing, I will do a tempo
analysis and I will.
So I'll tell you your tempo andI'll tell you what tempo might
work best for you.
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And then I will also say, hey,these three drills might be the
best drills for you, and thenthe other bonus we put in, there
is something I call the recode.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So and Kelvin Miyahira was a mentor of mine, I
think- you know Kelvin right,kelvin was a mentor of mine as
well.
Yes, I spent like five yearswith him.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
That's incredible, and Kelvin is an incredible man.
And one of the things I reallygot from Kelvin was you have to
light up muscles.
You can't just think things youhave to like how can I light
this muscle up?
So I came up with this conceptcalled the recode, and I was
using bands and medicine ballsand this and that to fire
muscles that I want to have fireand then use reciprocal
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inhibition to relax the musclesI want to relax.
And so what I found is if I'vegot a student that can't turn or
get their arms in the air, Ithink typically right then, and
there we can get you some morerange of motion.
But we need to recode it byfiring some muscles.
We can't, I can't just move youthere.
I've got to take a band, makeyou resist against it, pull the
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resistance away, and now you'vegot more movement.
So we also put recode drillswithin that masterclass as well.
So so that, hey, maybe yourtempo, we're getting a tempo
dialed in, we're getting theground force dialed in, let's
get a little more range ofmotion so you can have more
power.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Put that in there as well besides, uh, electronic
products, you have physicaltrading products as well.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat for sure?
Yeah, good, you have somethingcalled the poppet that helps you
make a faster, the light popper.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so a lot, yeah, a lot.
You know I mentioned my dad hadpassed away and he was really
helpful on the product.
So a lot of those products weare retooling to get back in
stocks.
You won't find those on theInternet available yet.
The two big ones are thespeedball, and that's going to
be available soon.
That's the product where youswing into the Velcro.
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I'm a real big believer, like Isaid, in firing muscles up, like
I mentioned, and that gives youresistance at impact, it's safe
on the body and it teaches youhey, I've got to overcome this
at impact.
And then the other product thatI'm selling right now on the
Tour Tempo website is called theDragonfly and that product is
again getting resistance right.
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And basically I basically took atowel and wrapped it on a
whippy club, but my version is alot better and I've got weight
in the handle, which was one ofKelvin's ideas that I stole from
him, which was one of Kelvin'sideas that I stole from him.
But when you have thisresistance at the end of the
shaft and then you tell yourbrain, hey, I want to well, I
call it torque the shaft, butyou want to bend that shaft,
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you're going to start to put alot more force into it.
And then the other thing I sawwith a lot of these golfers
especially when they comparedRory is that from the top of the
swing you've got to get going.
Once the gears have connectedthe, everything's got to go, and
so some of the drills with thedragonfly are getting the the
getting it to bend as well.
So we're using this resistanceto increase the energy, and
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that's what the dragonfly doesyou talk about the speedball.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Have you worked with a character by the name of ben
jackson?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
oh yeah, yes, for sure, the character is the right
word there.
Uh, ben's an amazing guy, um,and he, he loved the speedball
from day one because he saw itas a way to get resistance.
Take away the golf ball soyou'd free the golfer up and let
the golfer really uh, get afterit with no bad results, because
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you can't miss this thing.
So the speedball is it's aboutthe target.
He hits about the size of awoman's purse made of Velcro,
and then you have a golf clubwith a Velcro ball on the end
that you swing into.
And when you learn to swingthrough that, that impact zone
if you will and handle acollision, you learn to increase
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your speed.
The big thing I think missingfrom today's paradigm of speed
training is impact.
You see all these peopleswinging lightweight, this or
that.
There's no impact.
And there's a guy named StuartMcGill out of Canada.
He's the leading spine expertin the world.
He's back fit pro and Stuart,he did a lot of stuff with MMA
fighters and when you throw upor when a guy would throw a
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punch, like the best MMAfighters in the world, when they
throw a punch, the body's got ahuge contraction to start the
fist or the leg, then the legsort of floats in the air and
right before impact and uponimpact the whole body braces and
what that does is sort of givesyou that bruce lee one inch
punch effect, whereas you'rereally hitting with the whole
body.
When you hit my speedball, oreven when you hit an impact bag,
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you get that bracing right.
If you just do a swing as hardas you can and don't hit
anything, you don't get bracing,and that's a big problem for go
ahead now.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
So if you don't brace , you basically don't transfer
the force that you created fromthe proximal to the distal
segment.
So no whip cracking for you.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
That's exactly right.
But there's one other negative.
That's a huge one.
Your joints now have to takethe brunt of all that speed
instead of the object thatyou're hitting.
So if you ask a home run hitter, hey, what's the worst feeling
in baseball is swinging a mess.
I'm not sure if you've everdone any bow hunting or use a
crossbow, but there's a conceptcalled dry firing.
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You've ever heard of that?
Yeah, you're never supposed todry fire.
For the listener out there thatdoesn't know what that means.
You never take a bow without anarrow and shoot it, because if
you do, you'll destroy the bow,and so that's kind of what
you're doing in golf.
When you don't hit something,you're dry firing and you're,
you're, you're.
All that energy goes into thebow instead of the arrow.
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We want the energy into thearrow.
So that's a huge thing.
Now it's gotta be safe.
You can't just hit into a brickwall, wall, and sometimes an
impact bag is hard to really getyourself to.
You know, kill it, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
But with like the speedball or or even hitting
golf balls, you can really letit, let it go lee cox, whom I've
learned a lot from, alsosuggests this he would take a
callaway head cover because he'ssponsored by callaway and beat
the shit out of it with thedriver.
That's safe for the body so forguys who don't necessarily want
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to lug around a speedballbecause it's loud when I used to
train it.
I used to disturb theneighbours because they go like
what the hell is that?
It sounds like a gunshot.
Everyone says that, yeah, yeah,would swinging maybe a six iron
, seven iron in the bunker workthe same way Like you try to
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displace a lot of sand throughthe air?
Does that work?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Absolutely, it will be somewhat similar's.
It's a good little thing to do.
What I would do is probablybuild yourself up a little
little ball of sand to hit into,so to speak, um and make sure
the sand there's nothing inthere.
That would be one thing youdefinitely could do.
Um, the other thing is we'reworking on a, on a softer
version of the speedball, solook for that soon.
Um the other, I don't know ifyou ever tried this.
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You ever tried swinging in longgrass.
Yeah, that works.
Yeah, that works as well.
You got to make sure you knowyou can handle the grass,
obviously.
Um, just anything with a saferesistance is is going to be
better than just swinging in theair.
May?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
I suggest.
May I suggest something, john,if you could make your your uh
speedball, uh velcro, if youcould.
So you hit it here, itcollapses and then it retracts
back.
So I don't have to keep keeppicking up the, the velcro every
time yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
Sometimes I miss that .
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, sometimes I miss the velcro well, it depends
so what we did.
You hit the boom and it comesback, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I missed the velcro.
Well, it depends on what we did.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
It comes back, yeah yeah, yeah, I like that you had
one of the original ones.
They were harder to stick backthen oh my god we've made it.
I know we've made them easierto stick because, yeah, you have
somebody hit it, it goes, flieson a roof or whatever.
We've made it easier.
I like that.
I like that.
So it'd be like almost a hinge.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I like that a lot yeah, and it was great stuff,
yeah, yeah I will tell you that,yeah, the the dragonfly.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
There's not an impact , but you really are.
You almost have a.
The drills that I do with it,especially the speed drills at
the bottom, the whole body'sbracing to get that thing going
and that thing is completelyquiet.
So I'm going to get you one ofthose to try because I think I
think you'll really like it and,like I said, I like impact.
But anything you can do thatgives me resistance, that I'm
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bracing, that's going to work aswell.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Got you.
Can we talk a little bit aboutthe Sumo bar?
And I think you and Kelvin didsomething called the woody iron
bar or something.
It was a huge piece of plastic,I want to say, and then all you
did was to shake it, and that'sright, that's right, yeah, that
was a body blade, body bodyblade and then the tsunami bars
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were the other one.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I think they're called um.
I think if you go to TsunamiSports you can find those.
But the idea was you mentionedthe word earlier proximal to
distal, and so the idea is tovibrate these bars, put energy
in so that the distal segmentswill move, but the proximal
segment stays about the same.
What I found with people isthey can't create and brace
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their own proximal, so when theygo like this they're moving
here.
You see that with golfers andso with that movement never
translates to the bar and thenit never translates out to the
end to get it to vibrate.
But what I found was and Istill use my tsunami bars today
especially as a warm up becauseit's a huge vibration to the
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body and it's a great way tofire up that proximal to distal,
fire up that core musculature.
So anything you can do that isa back and forth transferring
energy and those, like I said,body blade will do it and the
tsunami bars will do it as well.
Those are incredible for warmupor during a speed session to
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really feel that proximal todistal.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Lastly, I'd like to talk about eccentric training,
flywheel training and your useof the Kinetics product.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, that product is awesome.
Basically it's a flywheel.
I was first introduced to it bya friend of mine, mark Paris,
and it's a completely differentfeel of resistance and
weightlifting and things likethat.
It was made actually I don'tknow if you knew this it was
made for astronauts.
That was the originalapplication, because they didn't
have gravity.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, so you're spinning a flywheel and what it
allows you to do is you put theresistance in.
So, whatever, the harder you go, the harder it will hit you
back.
The other thing I love aboutthe flywheel is, you know, we
all know squats are good, right,but golf and heavy squats are a
bad combo.
That's tough on your back, andso with the flywheel, with the
K-Box, you can put a scraparound your waist so there's no
(48:39):
pressure on your spine.
Still get an incredible workoutthrough the legs.
I've also now been using it.
Now think about this if you'redoing a traditional squat,
gravity is only going one way.
You can sort of move side toside, but it's still gravity
based.
I've been using the k box andsome of the other products to
move sideways, and that forcevector is different.
(49:00):
There's another product I wantto tell you about that I've been
using, called Beyond power, andthat one is awesome as well.
Uh, it, it allows you to doFlywheel training.
It allows you to do resistance,band training, all these
different modalities built intothe system.
But check out Beyond power.
That's another awesome onethat's very portable as well.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Interesting yeah, so the human body loses speed,
strength and stamina in thatsequence as we age.
How do you manage to keep yourspeed at your age?
I've seen videos of you stillswinging the high what's 130, so
I'm gonna say I just did somehigh 130s last weekend.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I'm age 56 now.
I think, like you said, yourmuscle, and your fast-fetched
muscle specifically, starts todecline as you age, and the big
thing I've had to balance asI've gotten older is volume
stamina, so to speak.
And so what I've learned is,for me, once a week of the speed
(50:06):
training in a very concentratedum uh session is the way to do
it.
If I do it too many times perweek I'm going to end up getting
injured because it's a taxi onthe body.
But I think the key is what.
I think the mistake for golferswhen they think in these terms
is they.
They forget that golf is, thegolf swing is very mechanical
(50:27):
based, meaning most sprintersalready have perfect form, so
when they do speed work, it'sall about, you know, running as
fast they can, whereasconversely, most golfers have
terrible form and so if they cancreate lag, if they can create
better movements, those types ofthings, they're actually going
(50:48):
to gain so much more speed thanjust trying to swing as hard as
they can.
So that would be myrecommendation first for a
golfer is tempo for speed first.
Secondly, mechanics Then workon your body, then look at speed
training.
Granted, you can do all thoseeven in the same session, but
don't just try to swing as hardas you can.
When you've got to, let's justsay your golf swing's not,
(51:11):
you're coming over the top anddumping it.
That's not going to do well.
But to answer your questionspecifically for me, I've tried
to make sure in any time I go tothe gym or whatever it might be
, I add some fast twitch inthere and I do it in a way
that's safe.
I like a medicine ball slam orif I'm feeling really good I'll
do some sprinting, um, thosetypes of things I think really
(51:34):
help.
And the other big one ismobility.
So I still have a pretty longbackswing You've probably seen
it and yeah, so I'm real big onbeing mobile where the body is
supposed to be mobile, meaning,you know, thoracic spine, being
able to get the arms in the air,and your hips.
Those would be, you know, threeof the big ones.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Do you engage in heavy lifting?
There is a trend towards heavylifting with uh guys like brooks
, kepka, dustin johnson and rorymcgillroy yeah, I, I do think
heavy lifting has got its place.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
I think you got to be really careful and really know
what you're doing and and reallyhave a trainer involved in
those types of things.
Um, but I do think the mistakeI think golfers make in the gym
is that let's just say and I'mgoing to sort of throw bands
under the bus here, but I and Ilove bands, but if you only do
band type of stuff, that's not abig enough stimulus, probably
(52:35):
for the body.
You need to get a nice stimulus.
The body works on SAID specificadaptation to increase demands
Right, and so it's always a nicestimulus.
The body works on SAID specificadaptation to increase demands
right, and so it's always aboutthat stimulus.
And it's also about how beat upare you?
I don't know how you are, butwe all are beat up in one way or
another and you have to respectthat.
(52:57):
You have to respect your body,and so if you find a lift that
you can go heavy in and itdoesn't hurt you, then I go all
in on that.
I'll give you one quick example.
There's something called a Marsbar.
I don't know if you've everseen one.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
I eat them all the time.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
It's not the one you can eat.
It's called Mars bar.
It's a guy here in LawrenceKansas actually invented it.
It's sort of a safety squat bar.
But it's even better becauseit's hands-free and I've found I
can do uh, I can do like fouror 500 pounds with that thing
and you know, I don't go all theway deep and I don't do
anything crazy, but it's calledand I do a hat field squat, so
(53:35):
I'm using my arms to support me,okay, but I found I don't get
hurt and and I found it reallygives me a nice stimulus and I
don't do them that often, youknow, but if you find something
that you're really good at andyou can go heavy with that, I
think that's powerful.
I think that's something Idon't think you should.
Just look at Brooks Koepken,look at his work.
I'm going, okay, I'm going todo this, this and this all heavy
(53:57):
, because I think you'll getdestroyed.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Thanks for your insights on that.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Where can our listeners find more about you
and your products?
For sure, the website istourtempocom, and then I'm very
active on Instagram and it's attourtempo.
So those would be the two mainplaces to really really check
this out.
And then in the app store it'sthe Tour Tempo Total Game app,
and then the Android it's thesame total game app, and then
(54:28):
the android it's the same tourtempo total game.
Um, so you can also check theapp out there.
And then the free app is the uhtour tempo frame counter.
That's available on ios andthat's a great way to sort of
get yourself uh in in on the mix.
And then the books are outthere tour tempo, and you
mentioned tour tempo 2, and thentour tempo force 4.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
It's all on Amazon.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, so in summary, bychanging a golfer's tempo, we
can pretty much change hismotion in a quick and easy
fashion.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
That's exactly right, 100%.
That's sort of the whole idea.
I mean, if you take nothingelse from this interview, go try
a faster backswing right nowand just see what happens.
It's going to feel crazy, butgive yourself five to 10 shots
just to feel it.
And the other thing is is getthat Tour Tempo Frame Counter
app.
It's free.
Look and see what your tempo is, because if you're 36.12 or
(55:18):
even 30.10 or slower I guaranteeyou're 36, 12, or even 30, 10
or slower I guarantee you'regoing to get 10, 20 yards right
away by increasing your tempo.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Nothing to lose, but yards to gain.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I love it.
I love it.
That's it.
Any last questions for JohnJesse?
Speaker 1 (55:35):
You asked them all already.
So good, this is one of myfavorite ones ever.
I've done a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
This was great.
You've read it all, so this isone of my favorite ones ever you
got.
I've done a lot of these.
This was great oh, you've readit.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
You've read it all, so this is good um, you know, I
want to add one point to, to allof the, the, the hogan
aficionados and the.
You know, I mean just askyourself if, nick, if, if hogan
uh was dainty, or did he take arep at it?
Speaker 3 (56:01):
I love it.
You ended it perfectly.
Here's what's really crazyabout Tour de Zimpo.
It's been since the beginningof time.
Nobody in the Hogan era reallyswung.
There was no low and slow backthen.
Right Hogan was 21-7, superfast.
Sneed 24-8.
All those guys from you knowthe early Jack Nicklaus was so
(56:23):
fast.
Even Jack in his prime wasstill 24-8.
So I love that these guys wereripping at it and they did
pretty well with terribleequipment.
So yeah, they're amazing Allright.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Thanks, John.
Can't thank you enough, John,for gracing us with your
presence and sharing your wisdomand knowledge.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
This was a great one.
I really appreciate being onand, honestly, if you could get
me, I want this video.
I want to put some of theseclips up on the Instagram
because I think there's somesolid gold in this one.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, we'll arrange something.
Yeah, that'd be great you.
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