June 19, 2025 • 61 mins
We dive deep into the subconscious barriers keeping you from reaching your golf potential. Paul Salter, performance coach and hypnotherapist, reveals how childhood programming creates an "upper limit" to success and provides practical strategies to break through mental blocks.
• Our subconscious controls 95% of daily actions including performance under pressure
• First seven years of life program our belief systems while we're in a "theta" brainwave state
• Self-imposed mental limits are rooted in fear of standing out or changing identity
• Technical proficiency (swing mechanics) matters less as you approach scratch level
• The key difference between elite players and the rest is emotional regulation
• Pattern interrupts like Tiger's "10-foot rule" help reset after mistakes
• Visualization should include both perfect shots AND recovering from mistakes
• Scratch golfers demonstrate greater acceptance and detachment from outcomes
• Hypnotherapy provides access to rewrite limiting subconscious beliefs
• Top performers find safety in risk-taking and competitive edges
For more from Paul, visit https://thegolfhypnotherapist.com/ and follow @thegolfhypnotherapist on Instagram. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe to the Flag Hunters Golf Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman from the Flag Hunters
podcast golf podcast.
Hope you're having a healthyand happy week and that your
golf game is in ascension mode.
Ascending that's what we'rehere for.
Enjoy the game, try to getbetter and just share our
experiences with our fellowpeople that we play with, and to
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go out and test the boundariesof ourselves and accept what is
so without further ado.
This week's valued guest is aman by the name of Paul Salter.
Paul has been on the podcast acouple times before.
He is a performance coach, ahigh performance coach, a
licensed hypnotherapist, and has15 years of coaching experience
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and he's got over 2500 clients.
The guy has been around.
I have grown to know Paul andlove and respect him for his
message and what he's trying todo.
And basically, for those whodidn't listen to the first
couple of times that Paul's comeon, for those who didn't listen
to the first couple of timesthat Paul's come on, he has
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unique ways, via hypnotherapy,to get into the psyche, to get
to the root cause of whateverails you and what manifests,
just as importantly, on and offthe golf course, for example,
getting into subconscious beliefpatterns that can really
inhibit your best performancewhere you're trying to get in
this game whether it's ahigh-level amateur or a
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professional or a touringprofessional or one of the best
in the world there's things thatare embedded within our psyche
that eventually are going tocome out, and they usually come
out under duress, whether it'syou're going to win a golf
tournament or you're in positionto win a golf tournament.
You're trying to make a cut,you're trying to break 90, 80,
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70 for the first time.
Whatever is going on underneaththe veil of consciousness will
come out, and a lot of times itwill come out beyond our control
.
So what Paul does is he gets inthere and rewires that sub-root
programming, whatever that isto help heal, fix any
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unconscious narratives that areunderlying underneath what's
going on inside of your mind.
Bringing this stuff, bringingthe ailments into conscious
awareness, is really the firststep, and then getting in there
and reprogramming those intopositive beliefs, beliefs that
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are life-enhancing, encouraging.
That's what Paul does, and hetalks about it eloquently here
on the podcast.
So I encourage you to check himout.
I'm going to make sure that allof his pertinent information is
in the show notes and in themeantime, go to
unstuckyourselfmindsetcom Allone word, just like it sounds
(03:04):
wwwunstuckyourselfmindsetcom.
And anybody who is serious aboutthis game really needs to
listen to his words with an openmind and with an open heart,
because you could be doingeverything that you can in your
physical power.
You could have the best coachesin the world, you could be
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working diligently on your game,you could be working on your
mental game, you could beworking on your physical fitness
, which all are an importantpiece of the pie, don't get me
wrong.
But you can do all of thesetangible things and still come
up short due to these erroneousbeliefs that manifest when we
least want them to, but they do.
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But it really is a call toaction to bring ourself back
into wholeness on and off thegolf course and to get out there
and realize who we really are,those of us who put in the work.
This is vital informationbecause this really is the
missing piece of the beautifulpuzzle that we call ascension in
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this game.
So again,unstuckyourselfmindsetcom, his
name is Paul Salter.
Listen to his words verycarefully.
They're very powerful, they'relife-enhancing, they're
golf-enhancing, and just get toit.
They're life enhancing, they'regolf enhancing, and just get to
it.
This could be sort of themissing piece of what ails you
out there and why you may not beable to get over the hump if
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that is your crossroads in thisjourney.
So thank you for listening inadvance.
I really appreciate yoursupport and again, please
remember to rate, review andsubscribe.
And a big thanks to Paul forsharing his time with a young
family and a thriving business.
Cheers everyone.
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman.
(05:07):
Welcome to another edition ofthe Flag Hunters Golf Podcast.
Today we have somebody that, ifyou're a long-time listener,
you're familiar with.
His name is Paul Salter.
He is a hypnotherapist thatspecializes in helping schmucks
like myself get better playingthis game and also has a real
niche with professional cardplayers poker players which is
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kind of cool.
But without further ado, thanksPaul again for coming on.
It's a real treat, always atreat to talk to you always.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Likewise, I'm so grateful you're having me back
on.
I thoroughly enjoy theseconversations.
I leave more amped up ready togo and I always leave with a ton
more knowledge and nuggets toconsider.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So, for those that are listening for the first time
, paul, just give us a quickbackground of where you were and
here we are now, and here weare now.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Absolutely so.
My name again, paul Salter.
I'm a high performancehypnotherapist and mindset coach
and, in a nutshell, I help highperformers get unstuck out of
their own way and unlock or playto their potential.
As Jesse alluded to, I workprimarily with golfers, a lot
with professional poker playersand entrepreneurs and business
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owners.
My journey goes back 16 plusyears ago when I first got into
coaching.
As a high performance dietitian, I worked very closely with
elite college, professional andOlympic athletes, helping them
to maximize their performanceand body composition.
Now, what was unique about myapproach?
Despite being a dietitian atthe time, I very rarely talked
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about food and nutrition.
I operated with the boldassumption you know what to do,
you know what you should beeating and, if I give you the
framework, really where we'regoing to find the obstacles and
the challenges are in your mindor in your heart.
So the foundation of mycoaching from day one has always
been from the mindset and theemotional aspect of what's
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holding you back from doing whatyou need to do.
And, as you alluded to, fastforward 10 years into that
journey, I have a passion forthe game of poker and I just
couldn't repress it any longer.
So I went all in.
I played poker professionallyfor a couple of years and this
is where I ran into myselfrepeatedly, over and over,
knocking myself down, getting inmy own way.
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So I finally asked for help.
I hired a mindset coach, whohappened to be a hypnotherapist.
In a very short amount of time,the amount of money I was
playing for and winning on thepoker table exponentially
increased.
But she had a far greaterimpact on my personal life, so
much so I said see you.
Later, nutrition coaching wentall in on.
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Mindset coaching became acredentialed hypnotherapist,
been mentoring under her, aswell as a gentleman named Elliot
Rowe for a few years, just tocontinue sharpening the tools in
my toolkit.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, what a great journey.
Fun, yeah, absolutely.
And with our audience, isdirected primarily at the good
player, although anybody canbenefit.
Once you get to a certain levelplaying the game of golf, it
becomes less about the physicaland more about the mental, and
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more about the mental, andhypnotherapy primarily deals
with the subconscious, gettingunderneath the veil of what
you're consciously aware of andwhat our original operating
systems are.
What is it about hypnotherapythat allows the person being
treated to transcend theconscious ego and really get
down into the depths of what'struly operating our lives, our
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belief systems and all of that?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, I think you nailed it with such a good segue
.
For me is you know, thesubconscious is responsible for
95% of what you do on a dailybasis.
Your subconscious is home toyour memories, emotions, your
beliefs, your behaviors, yourfears.
And that's incredibly importantbecause the first seven years
of life we're basically in awalking hypnotic state.
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Hypnosis is nothing more than adeep state of relaxation.
It's characterized by primarilyproducing theta brainwaves.
From ages zero to seven, we'repretty much locked into this
theta state, which means weabsorb everything.
Each person listening you'veheard the cliche we're like a
walking sponge.
Those first few years we'repicking up all of the verbal and
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nonverbal cues that are beingsaid or shared in our
environment, with our parents,guardians, the entertainment
we're consuming as well.
So that goes on to shape, andresearch even backs this up.
About 95% of our belief systemis formed roughly by the age of
seven.
Well, guess what?
You had virtually no say in thedevelopment of your belief
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system, and we all have thesecore beliefs about ourself,
about others, about life.
And I also had a fourth one inthere, about money, because I
work a lot with a lot ofindividuals, business owners,
who have terrible, negativerelationships with money.
But what I'm getting at isbeliefs are nothing more than
the filter through which you seethe world, which ultimately
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serves a filter in determiningthe decisions you make and the
actions you take.
And, if we oversimplify, whatis your identity and who you are
but a composition of yourbeliefs and your behaviors?
So when we talk about findingourselves stuck in these
patterns of behaviors andbeliefs that hold us back, that
constantly lead us to getting inour way, it's all within the
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subconscious.
Hypnosis offers a safe, fast,effective way to go to the
origin of when you learn tothink, feel and believe a
certain way.
So then you can create anopportunity to begin unlearning
those outdated programs.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, that's so well said, Paul, incredible that the
thing that people bump upagainst a lot, especially trying
to realize their potential onthe golf course whatever that is
they hire a good swing coach,they work diligently on their
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golf swing, they make progress,maybe they get into the gym,
maybe they're more mindful ofwhat they're doing off the golf
course, and yet it's still nottranslating into lower scores.
And I really do believe thatthis modality in which we're
talking about can really helpsomebody like myself, who's
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always ascending to get better,identify what hasn't been
identifiable.
You know, you bring theintangible into the tangible.
And what, what?
What are some of the thingsthat you find?
Uh, maybe some maladaptiveoperating systems or part of the
operating system that we havethat you uncover.
Is there anything that's, uh,pretty regular, uh, in someone's
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belief system that would helpblock them and not realize their
full potential?
Is it something that us, as asociety, we've been
indoctrinated in the UnitedStates?
I mean, is it just a simple I'mnot good enough belief?
You know, what are some of thethings in there that really clog
up the pathway to our full?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
potential.
Yeah, it's a multi-layeredquestion.
I love that, and the firstpoint I'll address is we all
have this internal thermostatthat influences how much success
, love, money or attention webelieve we are worthy of
achieving and experiencing, andthat, of course, is shaped
partly by society we think aboutit.
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It's and I'm using air quotesfor those of you watching it's
not safe to stand out because weare all biologically wired to
belong.
Centuries ago, if you didn'tbelong to a tribe, you were
either eaten by a saber toothtiger or you starved to death
because you relied on your tribefor food and shelter.
As funny and as irrational asthat sounds, in present day,
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when the vast majority of usdon't have to worry about food
and shelter related challenges,that fear is as fucking real and
prominent as ever.
And when we think next levelsuccess, you have to stand out,
you have to move past yourcurrent pack or tribe, and
that's really scary.
So we have this internalthermostat in which is, again,
it's just the belief of what webelieve we're worthy, deserving
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and capable of achieving.
With respect to success, love,money, whatever it is, that's
also a fancy word of way ofsaying what's known as the upper
limit problem or fear ofsuccess and it's an unconscious,
self-imposed limit on how muchsuccess you can have.
You know, I work with a lot ofgolfers.
They're plus handicaps, they'remulti-time country club winners
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trying to get to the next level, trying to compete for a poor
card.
And the number one issue wework on is fear of success.
Because that next level successand you know this as well as I
do, jesse it requires anidentity change.
And again going back to how wekick things off, your identity
is your behaviors, beliefs, theway you speak to yourself.
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If you start standing out moreand more from your friends, your
playing partners, your family,that poses a threat that might
create tension, resentment,frustration or even end a
relationship you care about.
And the thought of being aloneand isolated is a major threat
to your subconscious, which iswhy it has a thousand and one
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ways it can sneakily sabotageyou and keep you stuck in that
zone of comfort at the level ofsuccess you feel comfortable
with at this present time.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Wow, that's incredibly well said.
What a great answer.
That's very profound, Paul.
As I'm listening, I'm thinkingthat we create our own
subconscious safety net and itresults to our own prison.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, great way to say it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, that's deep.
That's something to reallyponder.
Those who are achievingexcellence, let's say Scotty
Scheffler, for example.
He's the number one player inour sport.
He plays with something alittle bit different.
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His golf swing is terrific.
I'm a big fan of it.
I'm a big fan of how he playsgolf.
I'm a big fan of how he carrieshimself.
But there's something withinbecause I have been around him
and there's something within himthat he has this ability to to
let go.
He's trying his best I mean,he's he's, he's really trying to
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play his best golf.
But there's a part of hisconsciousness where he's not
identified to what he shoots.
It seems to be that way.
I'm sure he wouldn't be toohappy shooting 75, but at the
end of the day it's it's notreally going to affect him where
the majority of us, myselfincluded, has shot 75, 76, 77,
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78 in a golf tournament orwhatever.
And I'm driving home from thatday and I'm thinking I'm the
biggest piece of shit on theplanet and I guess is there a
way that, through hypnotherapy,through working with you, paul,
that there can be properperspectives in place?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, it's so timely.
You shared that so we'rerecording.
It's Thursday, march 13th,first day one of the Players
Championship, and they literallyjust did a cutaway of Rory
talking about some of the mentalchanges he made in the
offseason to, in his words, moreor less be more like Scotty.
And what Rory talked about wasin the past.
He shoots a 75.
He'd beat himself up, he'd be abear of an individual to be
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around when he goes home andhe's got a wife, a young
daughter.
He has so many things to begrateful for in his life.
But he was so attached to thatoutcome.
And one thing he remarked inadmiration towards Scotty Scotty
will shoot a 62 or an 82.
You won't know the difference.
He shows up, he's grateful, he'sso present.
The moment he steps on the atthe clubhouse property, he's
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locked into golf.
The moment he leaves, he'slocked into, you know, family
mode, personal mode, whateveryou say.
And I attribute that to manyaspects and of course I can't
speak on Scotty's behalfdirectly.
But number one, there is arelentless belief in himself, in
a trust in himself that he'sdone everything he can to
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prepare, which means when heshows up on the course he can do
what is absolutely necessary toplay to his potential, and
that's play freely.
There's no anxious or worriedthoughts about did I prepare
well enough, am I ready, Am Iworthy?
He goes in with an expectationto win because, yes, he's put in
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the time and effort, physicallybut also mentally, to cultivate
this resilience, this deep,unwavering belief in himself
which allows him to be free,stoic and emotionally detached,
focused on one shot at a timeand see you, and is this a real
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possibility for people to haveall of their faculties available
and have the ability, just thisletting go?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Can hypnotherapy really get in there and change
those wired core beliefs,whether they're good or
maladaptive?
I mean, ben Hogan did it.
He had a pretty tough start.
Those first seven years of hislife were no joke.
First nine years he was able totranscend that.
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First nine years he was able totranscend that.
Can a practitioner or a patientof hypnotherapy be able to have
that transcendence?
Is that a distinct possibility?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Absolutely and think about it through this lens.
The collection of limitingbeliefs, the collection of
limiting beliefs, fear,sabotaging behaviors that one
experiences during a round ofgolf, in an everyday life that
holds them back from achievingtheir potential All of those are
learned.
The anxiety you feel on thefirst tee, the anger reaction
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you experience after shanking atee shot, those are all learned.
I have a two-shot lead on 16with two and a half holes to go,
and I blow up because I hit twoballs in the water.
That tension, that tightness,that stress, that fear all of
that's collectively learned.
So hypnosis creates anopportunity to go back in time,
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to uncover the origin of whenyou learned that.
And more often than not itoccurs during a time in
adolescence where you weresimply emotionally ill-equipped
to handle a certain situationbecause you were six or 13 years
old and you didn't have theemotional intelligence or
maturity.
So what did your subconsciousdo?
It formed a coping mechanismthrough either the creation of a
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belief or a behavior to eitherkeep you safe or ensure one of
your childhood needs were met,such as a need for acceptance,
belonging or connection.
So we see all of that carrywith you, become further
ingrained through more and moreexperience as you get older, and
it's not until you're willingto look inward and say oh shit,
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I'm the one getting in my way.
And then, through curiosity orI say nonjudgmental curiosity
open mindedness and coachability, if you're willing to look
inward and work on yourself, youcan absolutely begin to let go
of those sabotaging beliefs andbehaviors.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
What's interesting about what you said, too, is the
instant manifestation on thegolf course.
It's wild.
I don't know of anything inlife at least in my soon to be
55 years of being on this planetwhere those who play, whether
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it's competitive or not, itdoesn't surprise me that your
average weekend handicapper Godbless he or her, I mean
everybody has their intention ofplaying the game of golf.
But it doesn't surprise me thata lot of people that I've seen
just get wasted on the golfcourse because they don't want
to deal with it.
They don't want to deal withthat.
They don't want to deal withthose repressed feelings or
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anything, because, for whateverreason on the golf course, that
if any limiting beliefs that wehave is going to show up at some
point or another, and a lot oftimes they show up right when we
don't need them to.
It's the example of having atwo-shot lead with two and a
half holes to play and you cookyourself.
Having a two shot lead with twoand a half holes to play in
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your and you and you cookyourself.
So I think that this is sorelevant because I still in in
the you know I'm in year four ofthis podcast.
I still seem to think that the,the undercurrent of getting
better, is still trying tofigure out your golf swing.
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And your golf swing isimportant.
It's, it's really important.
I'm not taking away its place,but the importance has been
placed too much on it, in myopinion, and not enough on the
very phenomenon that we'retalking about right now.
Uh, you know, convinced too thatthe swings of yesteryear, some
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of the idiosyncrasies and peoplethat may not swing the club
aesthetically pleasing or mayeven not have all of their ducks
in a row dynamically, but theystill find a way to win.
They still find a way tocompete.
They still find a way to win.
They still find a way tocompete.
They still find a way to shoot62.
You know.
So this what we're talkingabout here.
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I mean this should start to betaught in elementary school.
I mean, day one yeah, day onemindset and really doing belief
work, that's going to set you upfor massive success, you know,
no matter what this is.
So, as we talked about before wehit the record button, I want
to bring this up because this isimportant.
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This goes along the lines ofwhat we're talking about and
this, it's a perfect precursorto setting your nervous system
up to handle whatever theperceived stress is.
Yeah, whatever threshold we'rebumping up against uh, whether
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it's playing in somebody's clubchampionship, whether it's, uh,
maybe breaking 70 for the firsttime forget the break 80 part,
breaking 70 for the first time,qualifying for a USGA event, or
playing in a high level stateamateur event we all have these
thresholds that we need to break.
Does hypnotherapy really stackthe deck in our favor to be able
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to handle it?
To be able to?
Okay, let's talk about thatprocess.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, so I'm going to come.
I I'm gonna go backwards tocome forward here.
I promise I'll connect the dots.
If I don't just yell at me,I'll get back on track.
However, I love what you becauseI I wholeheartedly agree with
you with your approach in termsof there's such an overemphasis
on the swing and you know Ibring a unique perspective
because I didn't touch golfclubs for 16 years and getting
back into the game, you know,about a year ago, it's evident
to me that you know I had toknock off some rust in terms of
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mechanics and whatnot, but Iplayed enough during childhood
that why do most golfers spendso much time on their swing?
You know, even you know we talkabout early amateurs to those
who are single digit and plushandicaps.
The reason swing malfunctionsmore often than not become so
high on the priority list isbecause they keep happening due
to a lack of focus, a lack ofpresence, the emotions, the
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limiting beliefs permeating intoyour conscious mind when you
need most to be free and present.
So the mental game work notonly offers an opportunity to
strengthen your ability tocultivate focus and presence, it
diffuses the emotional chargeof some of your reactions that
are going to occur when youinevitably come up against a
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trigger on the course.
There's tons of physicalhazards on the golf course.
There's also no shortage ofmental and emotional hazards.
So the mental work helps youhit more shots from a focused
present state, which helps thechanges you're working on your
swing sink deeper and deeperinto that subconscious and your
ability then to cultivatepresence and focus strengthens
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your ability to consistently andrepeatedly execute that swing.
Therefore, less needed time onthe swing, more time on playing
course management or working onthe mental side of the game.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, that's, yeah that.
Sorry, Paul, I mean that.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
No, you're good.
I wanted to pause.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, that makes such great sense.
I mean that you just nailed itright on the head.
I talk about it with my twoadvisors, my teachers John
Erickson and Brad Hughes, allthe time Very successful coaches
.
But the way that they teach isto A learn how to coach yourself
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and B the training modality issuch where you get focused
concentrative areas away fromhitting a golf ball, where you
can go out and play and focus onmore of what you just said
Going out and playing coursemanagement, actually learning
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how to play the game and bendingthe golf course to your will.
Play the game and bending thegolf course to your will.
That level of mindfulness isvery key.
I find it extremely prevalentin any tour player, both man and
woman, that they literally, ifthey don't have their A game,
they have the consciousness andthe presence of mind to
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shapeshift on a dime if theyneed to.
And I think that goes alongwith an acceptance part as well.
Yeah, I find that fascinating,paul, that the best players in
the world can accept the factthat they have a C-day going,
but yet the rest of usabsolutely throw a goddamn fit
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if we don't have our A game.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We press, we press, we try to overcompensate, we
stress, we create more emotion,more tension.
We inevitably blow up and shootan 85.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, you know, wouldn't it be nice to walk out
on the first tee and have somuch freedom in your own skin
that you want to play?
Well, of course, but whateverhappens happens and you're going
to be okay with it.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, I mean, what a way to play golf.
Absolutely that's the way Iwant to play golf and let's
bring it back to that now I'llget back.
Get us back on track with thatquestion of like coming up
against those thresholds,wanting to win and play in
bigger tournaments, thecollective stress response that
we all experience when we beginto step outside of our comfort
zone.
Stress and this is something Iwouldn't say I've changed my
tune on.
I think I've found betterverbiage.
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What is stress?
More than just being fear,stress is fear.
Stress is another way to say I'mafraid, because we can quickly
find surface level reasons tovalidate.
We're stressed.
Oh, I'm stressed because Ididn't prepare, I'm stressed
because I have an injury, I'mstressed because I didn't have
enough time for X, y and Z.
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But at the core of it, stress isa fear response and really
those individuals who feelstressed, trying to break 70,
playing in a USM, a USGA event,they're afraid and it goes back
to what we discussed earlier,because when they perform well,
when they win, they stand out,they ascend.
So not only does it require anidentity change, but suddenly
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more eyeballs, more attention,more responsibility, pressure,
expectation begins to weigh downon them, and I joked about this
, I don't know if it was on mypodcast or somebody else's, but
I would love to see the data ofpeople who have only won one
time on the PGA Tour, and maybeone major because they stepped
so far out of their comfort zone.
They won, the stars aligned,but they were never able to have
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anything close to repeatingthat success because the
pressure just got to them somuch.
It weighed them down, held themback and they got stuck in a
cycle of sabotage, never eventasting anything remotely close
to that success again.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's well stated.
That's's interesting, paul,what a great thing to
contemplate.
Yeah, you win once you're onthe mountaintop, but you got a
lot of you got a lot of handswanting you to yank you back
down like, look and correct meif I'm wrong, but in my correct
tom kim hasn't won in like sevenyears.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
He he won at like 21, .
22 years old, hasn't won since.
And he's a great golfer he's.
You know, he was just joking onTwitter, he's.
He's ranked higher than JohnRahm and whatnot.
He's a hell of a golfer, butlike one win something.
What happened there and I'm notsingle in time, I don't even.
I don't know him or anything,but it's just the top of mind
(30:44):
example that shows up for me.
It's like how many of theseindividual cases are there?
Somebody wins, they get thespotlight, the attention Now the
pressure's on, the expectationto repeat, to win more than once
, and suddenly they can't handleit because there's an identity
challenge at play.
There's a fear that isdestructive underneath the
surface that is destructiveunderneath the surface.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You can almost make the argument that if you want to
realize your full potential,you have to have the courage.
You have to have the balls tostand out.
Because you are going to standout, you know you are.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You're going to get people applauding you and you're
going to get people jealous ofyou.
But most people are afraid tostand out because you're we're
wired that way.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's a tough one, it isyeah.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
That's a tough one.
There's typically an experiencethat amplified the fear or
stress response we, we, we thefear or stress response we, we,
we endured during a childhood oryoung adolescent moment.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That offers an opportunity for healing and
diffusing some of the emotionalcharge around standing out yeah,
that's, that's something thatthe listeners right now should
be contemplating, you know,really, really, really
contemplated that's.
That's a layer that's not welldiscussed.
Yeah, and that should be, youknow, because I'm sure you get a
(32:14):
lot of questions, paul.
You know, how do I get out ofmy own way, how can I step out
of my comfort zone?
And just that identificationalone, I think it breeds a lot
of clarity and it brings somehope.
Yeah, that's a great word, youknow, it really does.
There's a lot of frustratedgolfers out there that spend a
(32:35):
lot of money on the game.
It's not a cheap game.
They have memberships atcountry clubs, you know.
I mean, these days country clubmemberships are very expensive.
They invest in lessons, theyinvest in TPI training and and
and.
There's a lot of frustrationout there.
And maybe people haven't heardthis yet.
You know I've gotten a lot offeedback from some of the
(33:02):
concepts in the previousdiscussions that you and I have
had.
I've gotten feedback of.
This is the first time I'veever heard this.
So I think you're doing God'swork, my friend, and it's
something that the question Iget is what do I have to do to
(33:24):
get from a five to a scratch?
You know that's a very commonquestion that I get from the
people that listen to my podcastand I feel blessed to have them
entrust me in answering thatquestion.
And this is a very big part ofit is exactly what we're talking
(33:46):
about.
I mean, in fact, justin, youhad Justin on your podcast, my
podcast partner, justin Tang,and we talk about once you.
We have this kind ofgeneralized theory between he
and I and you know, once you getto about a four to a two
handicap, you've myelinatedthose neural pathways for your
(34:10):
golf swing pretty well, likeyour golf swing's pretty good.
You know maybe some tweaks hereand there, but you know, by and
large, if you are a consistenttwo handicap, you're a pretty
good player.
You're better than most.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
But for those who really want to take it up a
notch from that level, this isthe very phenomenon that you
need to look at, because it'snot your golf swing work with
are the single digithandicappers who who feel like
(34:43):
they've been chasing scratchendlessly for years and they've
done nothing but regress, evenif not remain stagnant in their
in their quest.
And you're right.
You get to a five handicap.
You know how to fucking swing agolf club.
There's always room for tweaksand upgrades, improvements, yada
, yada, but at the end of theday, you know how to play the
game very well.
There's something between yourears that's holding you back and
I always come back to likescratch is a label those of us
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who have not achieved it are alldesperately trying to seek,
because of the pride, therecognition, the achievement,
the validation it brings.
That can be heavy to wear,emotionally, mentally.
Again, it's an identity change.
You know If you're a ninehandicap right now, listening,
who are you as a scratch golfer?
I always come back to gettingreally clear on who is the
(35:28):
version of you.
Who's a scratch golfer?
How does he speak to and abouthimself?
What does he think abouthimself?
Believe he's worthy, deservingand capable of?
It's a whole different identityand again, the identity change
we all seek and need to ascendto the next level of success.
It's a massive fucking threatto our subconscious, so it
deploys every sabotagingbehavior it can think of to hold
(35:50):
us back.
But it's this work I mean.
You do such a phenomenal jobinfusing the mind game into
every one of your episodes.
It is this work thataccelerates the progress and I'm
a big believer in saying themindset work you do has a
positive ripple effect intoevery area of your life Better
(36:11):
husband, better wife, betterfather, better mother, employer,
employee, friend, family member, best fucking version of you on
and off the course, when youprioritize your mindset.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to quote one of mycoaches and really good friends,
tanya Oliver, and she's a highperformance mindset coach and a
life coach and she always saysyou think, think from where you
are, or think from where youwant to be, and who do you have
to become?
So you just nailed it, paul.
(36:44):
It's like the question is okay,if you're a nine handicap and
you want to become a scratch Imean a true scratch, not a
country club scratch whereyou're playing from 6,200 yards
and you're scraping three andfour footers I'm talking a
legitimate tournament player,scratch, who do you have to
become?
But I could tell you one thingthat most scratch golfers that I
(37:08):
know they already have aninborn level of acceptance.
They already have it.
No, not all of them, but theyalready have it like yeah,
whatever, I'm a scratch handicap, who cares?
I'm going gonna go out and playthe best I can, but if I play
like shit, it's part of the game.
There's detachment.
There is a level of thank you,a level of detachment there
(37:33):
which, uh, kind of breathe forme.
When I think of detachment, uh,I I get a little bit more air
in my lungs, I've got more roomto breathe.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, oh, wow, okay.
It's a tricky concept, though,right, because if we think about
it, we pour so much time,energy and effort, we make
sacrifices to achieve this goalthat, technically, we're so
attached to.
If you look at how we spend ourtime, money and energy, and
then the real secret is todetach, it's like, wait a second
(38:04):
, that sounds backwards, itsounds counterintuitive, but
it's the same thing, similar toyou know, you gain more control
when you let go of control.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
So you know, through, through getting in there and
really getting underneath thehood of our operating system,
what can the practitioner expect?
Say, you know, I'm going to go.
I'm flying to Florida, I'mgoing to spend a week with Paul
Salter.
We're going to do thesehypnotherapy sessions where we
(38:37):
go deep into theta Very powerfultherapy sessions where we go
deep into theta Very powerful.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Give us just an example of what that process
might look like.
Yeah, gladly so.
First, I take all my calls onZoom, meaning you are anywhere
in the world, and that'simportant, because most people
who have some level offamiliarity with hypnosis aside
from the stage hypnosis thatthey might see in Vegas or
Hollywood they think going intoan office space sitting in this
big comfy chair.
(39:07):
But the truth is you find farmore comfortability, familiarity
, literal and metaphoricalsafety in your own environment.
And that's really important forme as the practitioner, because
my goal is to diffuse yourwalls, get you to let your guard
down and open up.
So being in your own space isan edge, if you will, an
advantage if you will.
(39:28):
So I think that's important toshare.
But then from there, callnumber one is always an extended
period of time.
It's roughly two hours becausewe'll spend the first half of
that time.
It's like Paul me throws athousand questions at you.
I'm digging deep into childhood, early adolescence.
I'm taking you places you don'twant to talk about.
You know I describe my coachingstyle as compassionately candid
(39:50):
.
I'm going to go where we needto go, not just where you want
to go.
And the beauty of Zoom is, youknow, I have years of experience
.
Reading into body language, I'mseeing what makes you squirm
when I talk about A, B and C,how your facial reaction comes
about based on what I'm asking,and we just go where we need to
go to find what makes youuncomfortable.
(40:12):
Because emotion, especially whenwe're younger, if we don't have
the skill set or the safety toexpress it, to have an
opportunity to yeah, I guessexpress it's the word I'm
looking for it just gets stuck.
The definition of emotion isenergy in motion.
That energy gets stuck.
Some emotions, depending at thefrequency they vibrate on, are
(40:34):
more energetically costly.
So what I mean by that is, ifwe carry unprocessed shame,
guilt, anger, regret for years,for decades, that means every
day that we wake up with analready limited amount of energy
, a large portion of that isgoing to, metaphorically, just
holding on to said emotion,which means we have very little
(40:57):
energetic bandwidth to do whatwe know we need to do to achieve
our goal.
And this is the.
That's the simplest way I cansummarize why so many people are
stuck.
People aren't stuck becausethey don't know what to do.
Go to Google.
You can find the step by stepdirections to learn how to do
anything.
It's a literal lack of energyto follow through on what you
need to do to overcome the fear.
(41:17):
Energy to let go of the beliefand when we start diffusing
these stuck emotions and lettinggo of things, the immediate
payoff is more energy, more easefollowing through on what it is
you already know you need to do.
I might've gotten us a littleoff track, so bring us back on
track if I did.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
No, that's absolutely perfect.
Because, once again, going backto my breakfast conversation
this morning about prepping thenervous system to handle
different levels of stress andthe correlation that I'm getting
now, is it really correlates tosafety?
How safe?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
do you feel?
But so think about this thoughyou know big fit athletic man
Talking about feeling safe, andI'm not singling you out, but
I'm going to use you an example.
You might laugh or chuckle atthat, paul, I could handle
myself.
I'm a big, strong, fit guy.
I am safe.
But when we think about it on asubconscious level, your
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subconscious has one objectiveit is to keep you safe.
That objective has kept ourentire species alive for however
long we've been around for.
So in these situations, wemight consciously or rationally
feel safe.
Yet subconsciously, under thesurface, you might be kicking
and screaming this visceralreaction.
(42:37):
All eyes on you on the firsttee, the thought of hoisting the
club championship trophy.
You're scared, shitless.
You're not safe in thatenvironment.
You've never been there, it'sforeign, it's unfamiliar.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, boy, is that well said Something to really
consider.
My goodness, the safety.
I'm going to compare it toswimming in the ocean for the
first time.
It might be really scary Like,oh my goodness, I'm in this big
ocean, but then, as soon as yournervous system gets acclimated
(43:11):
to it, you actually learn toenjoy it.
You actually learn to crave it.
Yes, and there's this edge thatwe talk about Paul playing golf
competitively.
Every one of my great, severalof my great friends are very,
very, very high levelaccomplished golfers, multiple
(43:34):
amateur winners, all the way upto several friends that have won
multiple USJ events.
And the congruent thing thatthey all say is they crave that
edge of the edge between successand failure, knowing that both
are.
You know, failure is a verystrong possibility because you
(43:57):
only got one winner, but beingon that edge, so obviously their
nervous systems have alreadyaccepted that.
You know it's, this is, this isthe ride.
You know it's almost like yes,we want to play well, yes, we
want to win but my goodness thatride is really what it's all
(44:24):
about.
Yeah, is all of a sudden, all ofa sudden it's safe.
It's like, uh, you know there'sgot to be a certain level of
safety.
When larry hamilton, you know,hit that for that that, that one
iconic wave at chopu, where hewas literally on that edge of
living or dying, potentiallylike literally physical death,
his nervous system was preparedfor it, so he had a belief
(44:45):
subconscious that he can handleit, I can do this.
He wasn't thinking about dyingon the reef, he's thinking of
the thrill of a lifetime.
So, my goodness, what anincredible change of a frame of
reference for all of us that areaspiring to get better.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I'm going to give you a flip example of that too, and
only because it's relevant ortimely for me, because I have a
couple of clients experiencingit and I'm going to simplify the
story a little bit to give usbetter context.
But if you think of someone whohas grown up in a broken home,
hopped foster care to fostercare, one can surmise that this
(45:27):
individual has learned thattheir normal, their safety, is
chaos.
Safety to them they wereembedded with it is feeling safe
on a roller coaster, whereasfor most of us the thought of
getting on a roller coasterthose first few times is unsafe.
It's scary.
The reason I bring this up isbecause what we see on the golf
course sometimes isthrill-seeking.
(45:48):
It's the person who always hasthe pedal to the metal, always
trying to reach the green in two.
Or you look at their scorecardand it's like birdie, bogey,
birdie, double eagle, bogey.
It's that up and down versus.
You know we see scottyscheffler six birdies, one bogey
.
It's pretty straightforward.
But what I've identified in someof my clients is that that need
to have that thrill because ifyou look back in their childhood
(46:12):
, the chaos that was familiarwith their lives from day one is
literally where they feel safe.
So same example, but flipped,because we all have what I call
an emotional home.
It's the same core emotionsthat we experienced or were
exposed to most growing up.
It might be stress, it might beanxiety, it might be love, it
(46:32):
might be peace, but these areemotions that we try to get our
fix of every single day.
So if you grew up in a chaoticenvironment, there's divorce,
there's moving, this, that andthe other.
You're going to seek that inother areas of your life because
it feels familiar and safe.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, even if it's deleterious to your health, it's
still going to feel safe.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
It's wild, isn't?
It Because the subconsciousalways thinks it's helping you
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
No matter what, yeah, yeah, that those are all your
programs or everything, butthankfully, through this,
through what you do, Paul, thatyou can get in there and help
people get unstuck, help peoplerewire these basic core beliefs.
And there's a lot of good folksout there that they have no
idea that this is happening.
(47:20):
There's a lot of good folks outthere that they have no idea
that this is happening and youknow they're just chasing their
tail with taking lessons orswitching coaches or things like
that, just trying to find thatone thing that resonates with
them that's going to help curethem.
And there are really no secretswhen it comes to playing good
(47:42):
golf.
However, this what we'retalking about right now I mean I
think this should be part ofthe PGA program.
You know it really should,Because when you are out there
and you're playing, it doesn'treally matter what you are and
what you're not aware of you.
It's coming out, I it is comingout.
(48:04):
My goodness, I don't know whatit is about this game ball.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's a reflection of life it really is.
Just think about like this,like I use this example in poker
a lot, but it's just asprevalent in golf.
You know, you're playing, let'ssay you're in a threesome and
three holes in a row, yourplaying partners are birdie,
birdie, birdie and you've parbogey bogeyed, you're threatened
.
So how do you respond to threat?
(48:29):
Well, you learned how to dothat on the playground as a
child If you were threatened orbullied or harassed, and that's
what that might trigger asimilar feeling.
In that moment, even thoughyou're not being physically
attacked, there's already apre-designed program ready to be
deployed.
So the moment that trigger isinitiated, there is the
(48:49):
emotional cascade of anger, afight within you, and that
permeates your talk, your filterfor beliefs, decisions and
behaviors.
And suddenly you find yourselftaking unnecessary risks,
rushing, skipping your pre-shotroutine and behaviors.
And suddenly you find yourselftaking unnecessary risks,
rushing, skipping your pre-shotroutine and, metaphorically or
literally, blowing up.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
So common and yet just completely undiagnosed all
the time, primarily within thegolfer.
He or she has no idea that thisbattle is even happening
because they're just reacting.
You know, there's no separationbetween stimulus and response.
Through hypnotherapy this veryphenomenon can exist, where you
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can rewire yourself, where youcan become meta aware of what
these things are and how totranscend them or transmute them
even better.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, I love what you said the distance between
stimulus and response.
I often say one of the greatestgifts I empower my clients with
is the ability to shift fromunconscious reaction to
conscious response.
Subtleties in my word choice,incredibly intentional.
The only difference is a momentof pause, the ability to stop.
(50:11):
Take said negative emotion outof the driver's seat of your
decisions.
Come back online.
I tell that to myfour-month-old all the time he's
crying, he's crying.
I'm like dude, you're offline,come back online.
But the same thing applies tous.
It's like come back online, putthat logical brain back on.
Now, how do you want to chooseto respond?
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Incredibly powerful.
You can almost liken.
You know the unconsciousresponses where people throw
temper tantrums and then theyare subjugated to making poor
decisions based on everythingthat we've talked about.
If they're able to take thatpause, they can really interrupt
those unconscious responses.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Bingo.
That interruption is so key, mm.
Hmm, you know it's funny.
I have my clients.
I do this too personally.
So I practice what I preach.
But when we're really workingto drill, changing a detrimental
behavior it's called astrategic pattern interrupt.
But I will have them literallyout loud, yell like stop it,
stop it, or clap or clap or likefuck.
(51:17):
Like you have to viscerallyshake yourself, knock yourself
from that chain of focus becauseit brings you to the present
moment, which presents anopportunity to choose how to
move forward rather than beinghooked on that emotional
reaction.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, I've said it before, I'm going to say it
again.
There's one example I'm goingto say.
I mean, tiger, everybody hastheir ways of dealing with this
that are consciously aware ofthis, but Tiger gave himself a
10-foot circle it's probablysomething his dad taught him a
10-foot circle so he could doand say whatever he wants.
(51:55):
He can react like an absoluteidiot.
If he hits a bad shot, as soonas he walks 10 feet away from
where the shot was played, he'srid himself of that energy.
It's gone.
So he actually is allowinghimself to be a human being, a
hyper-competitive person, andnot somebody who's devoid of
(52:19):
emotion.
He's accepting that, but he'smoving on.
It's not that energy is notcarrying over into the next shot
.
Yeah, I, I.
I think that's probably, as itmight, might, be his greatest
attributes, because you know, weall hold him in great reverence
.
But I think what we need to dois he beat all of those guys out
(52:40):
there mentally, 100%.
It got to a point where peoplewere out driving him.
There were some people thatwere even hitting it better than
him, but he still beat him.
Why?
What's going on between theears?
Yeah, what's going on betweenthe ears.
So I think that pattern.
(53:01):
Interrupt, though, is huge.
That's a that's a big one rightthere to allow the, the golfer.
You know, I'm going to say formyself, if I hit a poor shot, I
might set an intention that dayprior to of how I am going to
consciously deal with poor shots.
(53:21):
Am I going to have the space toobjectively look at it and say
was that a physical thing or wasthat an internal environment
thing?
Was I time traveling?
That gives me enough space totake the charge of
disappointment or anger away.
If I can look at it like a mathproblem, objectively, I was
(53:42):
going to say the same thing.
You know, if I can look at itthat way, it takes the charge,
and then that that moment isgone.
If I, if I want to give myself,uh, that intention for the day
of, I'm going to reflect.
You know I'm not going to putmy foot on the gas today.
It's going to be more of areflection.
Let's see what I can learn,might even write a note in my
phone, or going into atournament.
(54:06):
How am I going to handle poorshots?
Well, if you can game planprior to, you're going to give
yourself outs, which will lessenthe energetic charge.
That's a big one, because I seethat ruin more people's rounds
by them carrying the energy ofanger and disappointment.
Or, you know, even I have foundthat through my own.
(54:31):
You know, if I'm going to be alittle bit vulnerable here
through my own journey, paul,and tell me if this resonates
but I found that I had carried alot of shame and when I let go
of that through therapy, throughmeditation, that the
translation on the golf coursewas I'm not perfect, I'm going
to hit bad shots, who cares?
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That's why I got wedges, youknow, and if I could, I could
even stack the deck more in myfavor if I give myself allowance
and hit those shots right there, like, hey, dude, you're going
to miss a three footer, you'regoing to hit a bad shot, you
might hit one out of bounds, youmight get a ball stuck in the
tree.
By the way, all of those thingshappened last year in every
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tournament I played in.
I don't think I hit any out ofbounds, but I missed plenty of
three footers.
But if I pre-program myself toaccept that I'm not one of the
best players in the world, I'mjust trying to be the best that
I can be and I allow myself alittle bit of love to accept
(55:37):
being not perfect and it's safefor you to be not perfect.
Something that I say to myself.
It's safe for me not to beperfect.
I never would have thought 20years ago that that affirmation
right there would be right.
You're like what?
That sounds a little fluff,dude.
Have you been down in a junglesomewhere?
(56:03):
Well, no, I mean it's.
It's.
It's the absolute truth,because I can guarantee anybody
who's listening to this that'show scotty shuffler operates.
My friend lydia ko, well, youknow, everybody who's played
this game at a tremendously highlevel has that acceptance like,
hey, you haven't hit a bad shot, you know it's OK, but what,
(56:26):
what?
What's the real gift behindthese things?
I'm going to take a take a termfrom my coach, john Erickson,
that what we're talking aboutare vapor trails of what the
work truly does bring out, andgetting in there and getting
into the subconscious and reallydiving into shadow work yeah,
(56:50):
and really embracing the shadow.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
So well said, and this is why I love these
conversations with you.
I'll make a note too.
I thought I loved how youbrought up like just the
acceptance of mistakes, thepermission to be imperfect.
I think one low hanging fruitopportunity for all of your
listeners as well, first andforemost if they're not doing
some type of visualizationbefore a round.
(57:14):
There here's the reminder youabsolutely should be.
But the mistake many people makewhen doing visualization before
a round is they don't visualizemaking mistakes.
That's a superpower, that's anedge.
When you visualize makingmistakes and bouncing back,
seeing how you're going tohandle them, it translates
(57:35):
directly to the round becauseguess what You're going to make
mistakes.
The round because guess whatYou're going to make mistakes.
And when they inevitably happen, you've already, preemptively
or proactively, rather reducetheir emotional charge.
So that trigger that youstumble upon doesn't have nearly
the same magnitude of anemotional charge.
It might just be a deep breathor two and you're focused and
(57:57):
locked in on the next shot.
So that's something youabsolutely need to be doing to
take your game to the next shot.
So that's something youabsolutely need to be doing to
take your game to the next level.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I'm going to finish up with this just to punctuate
that statement, paul, which wasincredibly well said.
There was an old school tourpro by the name of Clarence Rose
.
Those people that are my age,or at least over the age of 40,
would know who he is.
I think he won about four timesout on the PGA Tour.
Well, I got to know him alittle bit and I remember one
(58:28):
time playing golf with him.
He came up to me several timesand he asked where my miss was
and I thought what are youtalking about?
Whereas I'm not trying to missthe ball, he's like no, where's
your miss?
So he whipped out his PGA Touryardage book, he looked, he
(58:50):
showed me a couple of notes andhe said this is where I want to
miss.
This gives me the optimal placeto get the ball up and down,
because, just remember, jesse,you're not going to birdie every
hole and sometimes a bogey is agood score, depending on how
you calculate your misses.
And I thought and I didn'tquite understand it at the time,
(59:14):
but it did plant a seed and itabsolutely parallels exactly
what we're talking about.
So the two go hand in hand.
He's already predisposed to thefact that, yeah, he's one of
the best players in the world,but he's also human.
So he's going to pre-programand even strategize potential
pitfalls and where to hit it andwhere not to hit it on the golf
(59:35):
course, and that has absolutelynothing to do with how he's
hitting it for that particularday.
He has these pre-programmed.
Now, once somebody develops alittle bit more awareness and
they do have their A game, thenyou can hit the accelerator a
little bit.
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But those are few and farbetween.
Bit, yeah, but those are two.
Those are few and far between.
But, paul, I got, I got to tellyou, you know, first and
foremost, how can people getahold of you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah.
So the best place to reallylearn more which I think is
always a great place to start isgo listen to my podcast.
Jesse's been kind enough tojoin me as a guest.
It's the scratch golfersmindset podcast, and I'm very
active on Instagram atthegolfhypnotherapist or
thegolfhypnotherapistcom.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And you know this isn't going to be.
We've had Paul on a few times.
We hope to have him on somewhatregularly, because this
conversation is all aboutevolution.
It just never stops.
It was all about evolution.
It just never stops, you know,and we don't want it to, because
I do believe that the bestversion of best versions of
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ourselves, on and off the golfcourse, can just keep ascending,
absolutely, you know, andthat's the joy.
The joy is in the doing.
The results are the after that,they're the vapor trails, in my
opinion falling in love withthe process, yeah, ben.
Hogan said it.
Paul, I can't thank you enough,pal.
(01:01:08):
Always a pleasure to talk toyou and I'll make sure that we
have a.
Is there anything?
Any?
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
other thing that you want to finish up with, just my
utmost gratitude to you, myfriend.
Always an absolute pleasure, sograteful, grateful.
We got to do this again.
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
And I'm going to make sure that all Paul's contact
information is in the show notes, including his links to his
very, very, very good podcast.
Thank you,
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman from the Flag Hunters
podcast golf podcast.
Hope you're having a healthyand happy week and that your
golf game is in ascension mode.
Ascending that's what we'rehere for.
Enjoy the game, try to getbetter and just share our
experiences with our fellowpeople that we play with, and to
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go out and test the boundariesof ourselves and accept what is
so without further ado.
This week's valued guest is aman by the name of Paul Salter.
Paul has been on the podcast acouple times before.
He is a performance coach, ahigh performance coach, a
licensed hypnotherapist, and has15 years of coaching experience
(00:47):
and he's got over 2500 clients.
The guy has been around.
I have grown to know Paul andlove and respect him for his
message and what he's trying todo.
And basically, for those whodidn't listen to the first
couple of times that Paul's comeon, for those who didn't listen
to the first couple of timesthat Paul's come on, he has
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unique ways, via hypnotherapy,to get into the psyche, to get
to the root cause of whateverails you and what manifests,
just as importantly, on and offthe golf course, for example,
getting into subconscious beliefpatterns that can really
inhibit your best performancewhere you're trying to get in
this game whether it's ahigh-level amateur or a
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professional or a touringprofessional or one of the best
in the world there's things thatare embedded within our psyche
that eventually are going tocome out, and they usually come
out under duress, whether it'syou're going to win a golf
tournament or you're in positionto win a golf tournament.
You're trying to make a cut,you're trying to break 90, 80,
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70 for the first time.
Whatever is going on underneaththe veil of consciousness will
come out, and a lot of times itwill come out beyond our control
.
So what Paul does is he gets inthere and rewires that sub-root
programming, whatever that isto help heal, fix any
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unconscious narratives that areunderlying underneath what's
going on inside of your mind.
Bringing this stuff, bringingthe ailments into conscious
awareness, is really the firststep, and then getting in there
and reprogramming those intopositive beliefs, beliefs that
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are life-enhancing, encouraging.
That's what Paul does, and hetalks about it eloquently here
on the podcast.
So I encourage you to check himout.
I'm going to make sure that allof his pertinent information is
in the show notes and in themeantime, go to
unstuckyourselfmindsetcom Allone word, just like it sounds
(03:04):
wwwunstuckyourselfmindsetcom.
And anybody who is serious aboutthis game really needs to
listen to his words with an openmind and with an open heart,
because you could be doingeverything that you can in your
physical power.
You could have the best coachesin the world, you could be
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working diligently on your game,you could be working on your
mental game, you could beworking on your physical fitness
, which all are an importantpiece of the pie, don't get me
wrong.
But you can do all of thesetangible things and still come
up short due to these erroneousbeliefs that manifest when we
least want them to, but they do.
(03:48):
But it really is a call toaction to bring ourself back
into wholeness on and off thegolf course and to get out there
and realize who we really are,those of us who put in the work.
This is vital informationbecause this really is the
missing piece of the beautifulpuzzle that we call ascension in
(04:10):
this game.
So again,unstuckyourselfmindsetcom, his
name is Paul Salter.
Listen to his words verycarefully.
They're very powerful, they'relife-enhancing, they're
golf-enhancing, and just get toit.
They're life enhancing, they'regolf enhancing, and just get to
it.
This could be sort of themissing piece of what ails you
out there and why you may not beable to get over the hump if
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that is your crossroads in thisjourney.
So thank you for listening inadvance.
I really appreciate yoursupport and again, please
remember to rate, review andsubscribe.
And a big thanks to Paul forsharing his time with a young
family and a thriving business.
Cheers everyone.
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman.
(05:07):
Welcome to another edition ofthe Flag Hunters Golf Podcast.
Today we have somebody that, ifyou're a long-time listener,
you're familiar with.
His name is Paul Salter.
He is a hypnotherapist thatspecializes in helping schmucks
like myself get better playingthis game and also has a real
niche with professional cardplayers poker players which is
(05:32):
kind of cool.
But without further ado, thanksPaul again for coming on.
It's a real treat, always atreat to talk to you always.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Likewise, I'm so grateful you're having me back
on.
I thoroughly enjoy theseconversations.
I leave more amped up ready togo and I always leave with a ton
more knowledge and nuggets toconsider.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So, for those that are listening for the first time
, paul, just give us a quickbackground of where you were and
here we are now, and here weare now.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Absolutely so.
My name again, paul Salter.
I'm a high performancehypnotherapist and mindset coach
and, in a nutshell, I help highperformers get unstuck out of
their own way and unlock or playto their potential.
As Jesse alluded to, I workprimarily with golfers, a lot
with professional poker playersand entrepreneurs and business
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owners.
My journey goes back 16 plusyears ago when I first got into
coaching.
As a high performance dietitian, I worked very closely with
elite college, professional andOlympic athletes, helping them
to maximize their performanceand body composition.
Now, what was unique about myapproach?
Despite being a dietitian atthe time, I very rarely talked
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about food and nutrition.
I operated with the boldassumption you know what to do,
you know what you should beeating and, if I give you the
framework, really where we'regoing to find the obstacles and
the challenges are in your mindor in your heart.
So the foundation of mycoaching from day one has always
been from the mindset and theemotional aspect of what's
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holding you back from doing whatyou need to do.
And, as you alluded to, fastforward 10 years into that
journey, I have a passion forthe game of poker and I just
couldn't repress it any longer.
So I went all in.
I played poker professionallyfor a couple of years and this
is where I ran into myselfrepeatedly, over and over,
knocking myself down, getting inmy own way.
(07:28):
So I finally asked for help.
I hired a mindset coach, whohappened to be a hypnotherapist.
In a very short amount of time,the amount of money I was
playing for and winning on thepoker table exponentially
increased.
But she had a far greaterimpact on my personal life, so
much so I said see you.
Later, nutrition coaching wentall in on.
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Mindset coaching became acredentialed hypnotherapist,
been mentoring under her, aswell as a gentleman named Elliot
Rowe for a few years, just tocontinue sharpening the tools in
my toolkit.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, what a great journey.
Fun, yeah, absolutely.
And with our audience, isdirected primarily at the good
player, although anybody canbenefit.
Once you get to a certain levelplaying the game of golf, it
becomes less about the physicaland more about the mental, and
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more about the mental, andhypnotherapy primarily deals
with the subconscious, gettingunderneath the veil of what
you're consciously aware of andwhat our original operating
systems are.
What is it about hypnotherapythat allows the person being
treated to transcend theconscious ego and really get
down into the depths of what'struly operating our lives, our
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belief systems and all of that?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, I think you nailed it with such a good segue
.
For me is you know, thesubconscious is responsible for
95% of what you do on a dailybasis.
Your subconscious is home toyour memories, emotions, your
beliefs, your behaviors, yourfears.
And that's incredibly importantbecause the first seven years
of life we're basically in awalking hypnotic state.
(09:13):
Hypnosis is nothing more than adeep state of relaxation.
It's characterized by primarilyproducing theta brainwaves.
From ages zero to seven, we'repretty much locked into this
theta state, which means weabsorb everything.
Each person listening you'veheard the cliche we're like a
walking sponge.
Those first few years we'repicking up all of the verbal and
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nonverbal cues that are beingsaid or shared in our
environment, with our parents,guardians, the entertainment
we're consuming as well.
So that goes on to shape, andresearch even backs this up.
About 95% of our belief systemis formed roughly by the age of
seven.
Well, guess what?
You had virtually no say in thedevelopment of your belief
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system, and we all have thesecore beliefs about ourself,
about others, about life.
And I also had a fourth one inthere, about money, because I
work a lot with a lot ofindividuals, business owners,
who have terrible, negativerelationships with money.
But what I'm getting at isbeliefs are nothing more than
the filter through which you seethe world, which ultimately
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serves a filter in determiningthe decisions you make and the
actions you take.
And, if we oversimplify, whatis your identity and who you are
but a composition of yourbeliefs and your behaviors?
So when we talk about findingourselves stuck in these
patterns of behaviors andbeliefs that hold us back, that
constantly lead us to getting inour way, it's all within the
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subconscious.
Hypnosis offers a safe, fast,effective way to go to the
origin of when you learn tothink, feel and believe a
certain way.
So then you can create anopportunity to begin unlearning
those outdated programs.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, that's so well said, Paul, incredible that the
thing that people bump upagainst a lot, especially trying
to realize their potential onthe golf course whatever that is
they hire a good swing coach,they work diligently on their
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golf swing, they make progress,maybe they get into the gym,
maybe they're more mindful ofwhat they're doing off the golf
course, and yet it's still nottranslating into lower scores.
And I really do believe thatthis modality in which we're
talking about can really helpsomebody like myself, who's
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always ascending to get better,identify what hasn't been
identifiable.
You know, you bring theintangible into the tangible.
And what, what?
What are some of the thingsthat you find?
Uh, maybe some maladaptiveoperating systems or part of the
operating system that we havethat you uncover.
Is there anything that's, uh,pretty regular, uh, in someone's
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belief system that would helpblock them and not realize their
full potential?
Is it something that us, as asociety, we've been
indoctrinated in the UnitedStates?
I mean, is it just a simple I'mnot good enough belief?
You know, what are some of thethings in there that really clog
up the pathway to our full?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
potential.
Yeah, it's a multi-layeredquestion.
I love that, and the firstpoint I'll address is we all
have this internal thermostatthat influences how much success
, love, money or attention webelieve we are worthy of
achieving and experiencing, andthat, of course, is shaped
partly by society we think aboutit.
(12:47):
It's and I'm using air quotesfor those of you watching it's
not safe to stand out because weare all biologically wired to
belong.
Centuries ago, if you didn'tbelong to a tribe, you were
either eaten by a saber toothtiger or you starved to death
because you relied on your tribefor food and shelter.
As funny and as irrational asthat sounds, in present day,
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when the vast majority of usdon't have to worry about food
and shelter related challenges,that fear is as fucking real and
prominent as ever.
And when we think next levelsuccess, you have to stand out,
you have to move past yourcurrent pack or tribe, and
that's really scary.
So we have this internalthermostat in which is, again,
it's just the belief of what webelieve we're worthy, deserving
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and capable of achieving.
With respect to success, love,money, whatever it is, that's
also a fancy word of way ofsaying what's known as the upper
limit problem or fear ofsuccess and it's an unconscious,
self-imposed limit on how muchsuccess you can have.
You know, I work with a lot ofgolfers.
They're plus handicaps, they'remulti-time country club winners
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trying to get to the next level, trying to compete for a poor
card.
And the number one issue wework on is fear of success.
Because that next level successand you know this as well as I
do, jesse it requires anidentity change.
And again going back to how wekick things off, your identity
is your behaviors, beliefs, theway you speak to yourself.
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If you start standing out moreand more from your friends, your
playing partners, your family,that poses a threat that might
create tension, resentment,frustration or even end a
relationship you care about.
And the thought of being aloneand isolated is a major threat
to your subconscious, which iswhy it has a thousand and one
(14:32):
ways it can sneakily sabotageyou and keep you stuck in that
zone of comfort at the level ofsuccess you feel comfortable
with at this present time.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Wow, that's incredibly well said.
What a great answer.
That's very profound, Paul.
As I'm listening, I'm thinkingthat we create our own
subconscious safety net and itresults to our own prison.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, great way to say it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, that's deep.
That's something to reallyponder.
Those who are achievingexcellence, let's say Scotty
Scheffler, for example.
He's the number one player inour sport.
He plays with something alittle bit different.
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His golf swing is terrific.
I'm a big fan of it.
I'm a big fan of how he playsgolf.
I'm a big fan of how he carrieshimself.
But there's something withinbecause I have been around him
and there's something within himthat he has this ability to to
let go.
He's trying his best I mean,he's he's, he's really trying to
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play his best golf.
But there's a part of hisconsciousness where he's not
identified to what he shoots.
It seems to be that way.
I'm sure he wouldn't be toohappy shooting 75, but at the
end of the day it's it's notreally going to affect him where
the majority of us, myselfincluded, has shot 75, 76, 77,
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78 in a golf tournament orwhatever.
And I'm driving home from thatday and I'm thinking I'm the
biggest piece of shit on theplanet and I guess is there a
way that, through hypnotherapy,through working with you, paul,
that there can be properperspectives in place?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, it's so timely.
You shared that so we'rerecording.
It's Thursday, march 13th,first day one of the Players
Championship, and they literallyjust did a cutaway of Rory
talking about some of the mentalchanges he made in the
offseason to, in his words, moreor less be more like Scotty.
And what Rory talked about wasin the past.
He shoots a 75.
He'd beat himself up, he'd be abear of an individual to be
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around when he goes home andhe's got a wife, a young
daughter.
He has so many things to begrateful for in his life.
But he was so attached to thatoutcome.
And one thing he remarked inadmiration towards Scotty Scotty
will shoot a 62 or an 82.
You won't know the difference.
He shows up, he's grateful, he'sso present.
The moment he steps on the atthe clubhouse property, he's
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locked into golf.
The moment he leaves, he'slocked into, you know, family
mode, personal mode, whateveryou say.
And I attribute that to manyaspects and of course I can't
speak on Scotty's behalfdirectly.
But number one, there is arelentless belief in himself, in
a trust in himself that he'sdone everything he can to
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prepare, which means when heshows up on the course he can do
what is absolutely necessary toplay to his potential, and
that's play freely.
There's no anxious or worriedthoughts about did I prepare
well enough, am I ready, Am Iworthy?
He goes in with an expectationto win because, yes, he's put in
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the time and effort, physicallybut also mentally, to cultivate
this resilience, this deep,unwavering belief in himself
which allows him to be free,stoic and emotionally detached,
focused on one shot at a timeand see you, and is this a real
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possibility for people to haveall of their faculties available
and have the ability, just thisletting go?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Can hypnotherapy really get in there and change
those wired core beliefs,whether they're good or
maladaptive?
I mean, ben Hogan did it.
He had a pretty tough start.
Those first seven years of hislife were no joke.
First nine years he was able totranscend that.
(19:04):
First nine years he was able totranscend that.
Can a practitioner or a patientof hypnotherapy be able to have
that transcendence?
Is that a distinct possibility?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Absolutely and think about it through this lens.
The collection of limitingbeliefs, the collection of
limiting beliefs, fear,sabotaging behaviors that one
experiences during a round ofgolf, in an everyday life that
holds them back from achievingtheir potential All of those are
learned.
The anxiety you feel on thefirst tee, the anger reaction
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you experience after shanking atee shot, those are all learned.
I have a two-shot lead on 16with two and a half holes to go,
and I blow up because I hit twoballs in the water.
That tension, that tightness,that stress, that fear all of
that's collectively learned.
So hypnosis creates anopportunity to go back in time,
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to uncover the origin of whenyou learned that.
And more often than not itoccurs during a time in
adolescence where you weresimply emotionally ill-equipped
to handle a certain situationbecause you were six or 13 years
old and you didn't have theemotional intelligence or
maturity.
So what did your subconsciousdo?
It formed a coping mechanismthrough either the creation of a
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belief or a behavior to eitherkeep you safe or ensure one of
your childhood needs were met,such as a need for acceptance,
belonging or connection.
So we see all of that carrywith you, become further
ingrained through more and moreexperience as you get older, and
it's not until you're willingto look inward and say oh shit,
(20:46):
I'm the one getting in my way.
And then, through curiosity orI say nonjudgmental curiosity
open mindedness and coachability, if you're willing to look
inward and work on yourself, youcan absolutely begin to let go
of those sabotaging beliefs andbehaviors.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
What's interesting about what you said, too, is the
instant manifestation on thegolf course.
It's wild.
I don't know of anything inlife at least in my soon to be
55 years of being on this planetwhere those who play, whether
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it's competitive or not, itdoesn't surprise me that your
average weekend handicapper Godbless he or her, I mean
everybody has their intention ofplaying the game of golf.
But it doesn't surprise me thata lot of people that I've seen
just get wasted on the golfcourse because they don't want
to deal with it.
They don't want to deal withthat.
They don't want to deal withthose repressed feelings or
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anything, because, for whateverreason on the golf course, that
if any limiting beliefs that wehave is going to show up at some
point or another, and a lot oftimes they show up right when we
don't need them to.
It's the example of having atwo-shot lead with two and a
half holes to play and you cookyourself.
Having a two shot lead with twoand a half holes to play in
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your and you and you cookyourself.
So I think that this is sorelevant because I still in in
the you know I'm in year four ofthis podcast.
I still seem to think that the,the undercurrent of getting
better, is still trying tofigure out your golf swing.
(22:27):
And your golf swing isimportant.
It's, it's really important.
I'm not taking away its place,but the importance has been
placed too much on it, in myopinion, and not enough on the
very phenomenon that we'retalking about right now.
Uh, you know, convinced too thatthe swings of yesteryear, some
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of the idiosyncrasies and peoplethat may not swing the club
aesthetically pleasing or mayeven not have all of their ducks
in a row dynamically, but theystill find a way to win.
They still find a way tocompete.
They still find a way to win.
They still find a way tocompete.
They still find a way to shoot62.
You know.
So this what we're talkingabout here.
(23:12):
I mean this should start to betaught in elementary school.
I mean, day one yeah, day onemindset and really doing belief
work, that's going to set you upfor massive success, you know,
no matter what this is.
So, as we talked about before wehit the record button, I want
to bring this up because this isimportant.
(23:34):
This goes along the lines ofwhat we're talking about and
this, it's a perfect precursorto setting your nervous system
up to handle whatever theperceived stress is.
Yeah, whatever threshold we'rebumping up against uh, whether
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it's playing in somebody's clubchampionship, whether it's, uh,
maybe breaking 70 for the firsttime forget the break 80 part,
breaking 70 for the first time,qualifying for a USGA event, or
playing in a high level stateamateur event we all have these
thresholds that we need to break.
Does hypnotherapy really stackthe deck in our favor to be able
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to handle it?
To be able to?
Okay, let's talk about thatprocess.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, so I'm going to come.
I I'm gonna go backwards tocome forward here.
I promise I'll connect the dots.
If I don't just yell at me,I'll get back on track.
However, I love what you becauseI I wholeheartedly agree with
you with your approach in termsof there's such an overemphasis
on the swing and you know Ibring a unique perspective
because I didn't touch golfclubs for 16 years and getting
back into the game, you know,about a year ago, it's evident
to me that you know I had toknock off some rust in terms of
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mechanics and whatnot, but Iplayed enough during childhood
that why do most golfers spendso much time on their swing?
You know, even you know we talkabout early amateurs to those
who are single digit and plushandicaps.
The reason swing malfunctionsmore often than not become so
high on the priority list isbecause they keep happening due
to a lack of focus, a lack ofpresence, the emotions, the
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limiting beliefs permeating intoyour conscious mind when you
need most to be free and present.
So the mental game work notonly offers an opportunity to
strengthen your ability tocultivate focus and presence, it
diffuses the emotional chargeof some of your reactions that
are going to occur when youinevitably come up against a
(25:34):
trigger on the course.
There's tons of physicalhazards on the golf course.
There's also no shortage ofmental and emotional hazards.
So the mental work helps youhit more shots from a focused
present state, which helps thechanges you're working on your
swing sink deeper and deeperinto that subconscious and your
ability then to cultivatepresence and focus strengthens
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your ability to consistently andrepeatedly execute that swing.
Therefore, less needed time onthe swing, more time on playing
course management or working onthe mental side of the game.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, that's, yeah that.
Sorry, Paul, I mean that.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
No, you're good.
I wanted to pause.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, that makes such great sense.
I mean that you just nailed itright on the head.
I talk about it with my twoadvisors, my teachers John
Erickson and Brad Hughes, allthe time Very successful coaches
.
But the way that they teach isto A learn how to coach yourself
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and B the training modality issuch where you get focused
concentrative areas away fromhitting a golf ball, where you
can go out and play and focus onmore of what you just said
Going out and playing coursemanagement, actually learning
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how to play the game and bendingthe golf course to your will.
Play the game and bending thegolf course to your will.
That level of mindfulness isvery key.
I find it extremely prevalentin any tour player, both man and
woman, that they literally, ifthey don't have their A game,
they have the consciousness andthe presence of mind to
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shapeshift on a dime if theyneed to.
And I think that goes alongwith an acceptance part as well.
Yeah, I find that fascinating,paul, that the best players in
the world can accept the factthat they have a C-day going,
but yet the rest of usabsolutely throw a goddamn fit
(27:46):
if we don't have our A game.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We press, we press, we try to overcompensate, we
stress, we create more emotion,more tension.
We inevitably blow up and shootan 85.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, you know, wouldn't it be nice to walk out
on the first tee and have somuch freedom in your own skin
that you want to play?
Well, of course, but whateverhappens happens and you're going
to be okay with it.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, I mean, what a way to play golf.
Absolutely that's the way Iwant to play golf and let's
bring it back to that now I'llget back.
Get us back on track with thatquestion of like coming up
against those thresholds,wanting to win and play in
bigger tournaments, thecollective stress response that
we all experience when we beginto step outside of our comfort
zone.
Stress and this is something Iwouldn't say I've changed my
tune on.
I think I've found betterverbiage.
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What is stress?
More than just being fear,stress is fear.
Stress is another way to say I'mafraid, because we can quickly
find surface level reasons tovalidate.
We're stressed.
Oh, I'm stressed because Ididn't prepare, I'm stressed
because I have an injury, I'mstressed because I didn't have
enough time for X, y and Z.
(28:57):
But at the core of it, stress isa fear response and really
those individuals who feelstressed, trying to break 70,
playing in a USM, a USGA event,they're afraid and it goes back
to what we discussed earlier,because when they perform well,
when they win, they stand out,they ascend.
So not only does it require anidentity change, but suddenly
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more eyeballs, more attention,more responsibility, pressure,
expectation begins to weigh downon them, and I joked about this
, I don't know if it was on mypodcast or somebody else's, but
I would love to see the data ofpeople who have only won one
time on the PGA Tour, and maybeone major because they stepped
so far out of their comfort zone.
They won, the stars aligned,but they were never able to have
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anything close to repeatingthat success because the
pressure just got to them somuch.
It weighed them down, held themback and they got stuck in a
cycle of sabotage, never eventasting anything remotely close
to that success again.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, yeah, that's well stated.
That's's interesting, paul,what a great thing to
contemplate.
Yeah, you win once you're onthe mountaintop, but you got a
lot of you got a lot of handswanting you to yank you back
down like, look and correct meif I'm wrong, but in my correct
tom kim hasn't won in like sevenyears.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
He he won at like 21, .
22 years old, hasn't won since.
And he's a great golfer he's.
You know, he was just joking onTwitter, he's.
He's ranked higher than JohnRahm and whatnot.
He's a hell of a golfer, butlike one win something.
What happened there and I'm notsingle in time, I don't even.
I don't know him or anything,but it's just the top of mind
(30:44):
example that shows up for me.
It's like how many of theseindividual cases are there?
Somebody wins, they get thespotlight, the attention Now the
pressure's on, the expectationto repeat, to win more than once
, and suddenly they can't handleit because there's an identity
challenge at play.
There's a fear that isdestructive underneath the
surface that is destructiveunderneath the surface.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You can almost make the argument that if you want to
realize your full potential,you have to have the courage.
You have to have the balls tostand out.
Because you are going to standout, you know you are.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You're going to get people applauding you and you're
going to get people jealous ofyou.
But most people are afraid tostand out because you're we're
wired that way.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's a tough one, it isyeah.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
That's a tough one.
There's typically an experiencethat amplified the fear or
stress response we, we, we thefear or stress response we, we,
we endured during a childhood oryoung adolescent moment.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
That offers an opportunity for healing and
diffusing some of the emotionalcharge around standing out yeah,
that's, that's something thatthe listeners right now should
be contemplating, you know,really, really, really
contemplated that's.
That's a layer that's not welldiscussed.
Yeah, and that should be, youknow, because I'm sure you get a
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lot of questions, paul.
You know, how do I get out ofmy own way, how can I step out
of my comfort zone?
And just that identificationalone, I think it breeds a lot
of clarity and it brings somehope.
Yeah, that's a great word, youknow, it really does.
There's a lot of frustratedgolfers out there that spend a
(32:35):
lot of money on the game.
It's not a cheap game.
They have memberships atcountry clubs, you know.
I mean, these days country clubmemberships are very expensive.
They invest in lessons, theyinvest in TPI training and and
and.
There's a lot of frustrationout there.
And maybe people haven't heardthis yet.
You know I've gotten a lot offeedback from some of the
(33:02):
concepts in the previousdiscussions that you and I have
had.
I've gotten feedback of.
This is the first time I'veever heard this.
So I think you're doing God'swork, my friend, and it's
something that the question Iget is what do I have to do to
(33:24):
get from a five to a scratch?
You know that's a very commonquestion that I get from the
people that listen to my podcastand I feel blessed to have them
entrust me in answering thatquestion.
And this is a very big part ofit is exactly what we're talking
(33:46):
about.
I mean, in fact, justin, youhad Justin on your podcast, my
podcast partner, justin Tang,and we talk about once you.
We have this kind ofgeneralized theory between he
and I and you know, once you getto about a four to a two
handicap, you've myelinatedthose neural pathways for your
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golf swing pretty well, likeyour golf swing's pretty good.
You know maybe some tweaks hereand there, but you know, by and
large, if you are a consistenttwo handicap, you're a pretty
good player.
You're better than most.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
But for those who really want to take it up a
notch from that level, this isthe very phenomenon that you
need to look at, because it'snot your golf swing work with
are the single digithandicappers who who feel like
(34:43):
they've been chasing scratchendlessly for years and they've
done nothing but regress, evenif not remain stagnant in their
in their quest.
And you're right.
You get to a five handicap.
You know how to fucking swing agolf club.
There's always room for tweaksand upgrades, improvements, yada
, yada, but at the end of theday, you know how to play the
game very well.
There's something between yourears that's holding you back and
I always come back to likescratch is a label those of us
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who have not achieved it are alldesperately trying to seek,
because of the pride, therecognition, the achievement,
the validation it brings.
That can be heavy to wear,emotionally, mentally.
Again, it's an identity change.
You know If you're a ninehandicap right now, listening,
who are you as a scratch golfer?
I always come back to gettingreally clear on who is the
(35:28):
version of you.
Who's a scratch golfer?
How does he speak to and abouthimself?
What does he think abouthimself?
Believe he's worthy, deservingand capable of?
It's a whole different identityand again, the identity change
we all seek and need to ascendto the next level of success.
It's a massive fucking threatto our subconscious, so it
deploys every sabotagingbehavior it can think of to hold
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us back.
But it's this work I mean.
You do such a phenomenal jobinfusing the mind game into
every one of your episodes.
It is this work thataccelerates the progress and I'm
a big believer in saying themindset work you do has a
positive ripple effect intoevery area of your life Better
(36:11):
husband, better wife, betterfather, better mother, employer,
employee, friend, family member, best fucking version of you on
and off the course, when youprioritize your mindset.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to.
I'm going to quote one of mycoaches and really good friends,
tanya Oliver, and she's a highperformance mindset coach and a
life coach and she always saysyou think, think from where you
are, or think from where youwant to be, and who do you have
to become?
So you just nailed it, paul.
(36:44):
It's like the question is okay,if you're a nine handicap and
you want to become a scratch Imean a true scratch, not a
country club scratch whereyou're playing from 6,200 yards
and you're scraping three andfour footers I'm talking a
legitimate tournament player,scratch, who do you have to
become?
But I could tell you one thingthat most scratch golfers that I
(37:08):
know they already have aninborn level of acceptance.
They already have it.
No, not all of them, but theyalready have it like yeah,
whatever, I'm a scratch handicap, who cares?
I'm going gonna go out and playthe best I can, but if I play
like shit, it's part of the game.
There's detachment.
There is a level of thank you,a level of detachment there
(37:33):
which, uh, kind of breathe forme.
When I think of detachment, uh,I I get a little bit more air
in my lungs, I've got more roomto breathe.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, oh, wow, okay.
It's a tricky concept, though,right, because if we think about
it, we pour so much time,energy and effort, we make
sacrifices to achieve this goalthat, technically, we're so
attached to.
If you look at how we spend ourtime, money and energy, and
then the real secret is todetach, it's like, wait a second
(38:04):
, that sounds backwards, itsounds counterintuitive, but
it's the same thing, similar toyou know, you gain more control
when you let go of control.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
So you know, through, through getting in there and
really getting underneath thehood of our operating system,
what can the practitioner expect?
Say, you know, I'm going to go.
I'm flying to Florida, I'mgoing to spend a week with Paul
Salter.
We're going to do thesehypnotherapy sessions where we
(38:37):
go deep into theta Very powerfultherapy sessions where we go
deep into theta Very powerful.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Give us just an example of what that process
might look like.
Yeah, gladly so.
First, I take all my calls onZoom, meaning you are anywhere
in the world, and that'simportant, because most people
who have some level offamiliarity with hypnosis aside
from the stage hypnosis thatthey might see in Vegas or
Hollywood they think going intoan office space sitting in this
big comfy chair.
(39:07):
But the truth is you find farmore comfortability, familiarity
, literal and metaphoricalsafety in your own environment.
And that's really important forme as the practitioner, because
my goal is to diffuse yourwalls, get you to let your guard
down and open up.
So being in your own space isan edge, if you will, an
advantage if you will.
(39:28):
So I think that's important toshare.
But then from there, callnumber one is always an extended
period of time.
It's roughly two hours becausewe'll spend the first half of
that time.
It's like Paul me throws athousand questions at you.
I'm digging deep into childhood, early adolescence.
I'm taking you places you don'twant to talk about.
You know I describe my coachingstyle as compassionately candid
(39:50):
.
I'm going to go where we needto go, not just where you want
to go.
And the beauty of Zoom is, youknow, I have years of experience
.
Reading into body language, I'mseeing what makes you squirm
when I talk about A, B and C,how your facial reaction comes
about based on what I'm asking,and we just go where we need to
go to find what makes youuncomfortable.
(40:12):
Because emotion, especially whenwe're younger, if we don't have
the skill set or the safety toexpress it, to have an
opportunity to yeah, I guessexpress it's the word I'm
looking for it just gets stuck.
The definition of emotion isenergy in motion.
That energy gets stuck.
Some emotions, depending at thefrequency they vibrate on, are
(40:34):
more energetically costly.
So what I mean by that is, ifwe carry unprocessed shame,
guilt, anger, regret for years,for decades, that means every
day that we wake up with analready limited amount of energy
, a large portion of that isgoing to, metaphorically, just
holding on to said emotion,which means we have very little
(40:57):
energetic bandwidth to do whatwe know we need to do to achieve
our goal.
And this is the.
That's the simplest way I cansummarize why so many people are
stuck.
People aren't stuck becausethey don't know what to do.
Go to Google.
You can find the step by stepdirections to learn how to do
anything.
It's a literal lack of energyto follow through on what you
need to do to overcome the fear.
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Energy to let go of the beliefand when we start diffusing
these stuck emotions and lettinggo of things, the immediate
payoff is more energy, more easefollowing through on what it is
you already know you need to do.
I might've gotten us a littleoff track, so bring us back on
track if I did.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
No, that's absolutely perfect.
Because, once again, going backto my breakfast conversation
this morning about prepping thenervous system to handle
different levels of stress andthe correlation that I'm getting
now, is it really correlates tosafety?
How safe?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
do you feel?
But so think about this thoughyou know big fit athletic man
Talking about feeling safe, andI'm not singling you out, but
I'm going to use you an example.
You might laugh or chuckle atthat, paul, I could handle
myself.
I'm a big, strong, fit guy.
I am safe.
But when we think about it on asubconscious level, your
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subconscious has one objectiveit is to keep you safe.
That objective has kept ourentire species alive for however
long we've been around for.
So in these situations, wemight consciously or rationally
feel safe.
Yet subconsciously, under thesurface, you might be kicking
and screaming this visceralreaction.
(42:37):
All eyes on you on the firsttee, the thought of hoisting the
club championship trophy.
You're scared, shitless.
You're not safe in thatenvironment.
You've never been there, it'sforeign, it's unfamiliar.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, boy, is that well said Something to really
consider.
My goodness, the safety.
I'm going to compare it toswimming in the ocean for the
first time.
It might be really scary Like,oh my goodness, I'm in this big
ocean, but then, as soon as yournervous system gets acclimated
(43:11):
to it, you actually learn toenjoy it.
You actually learn to crave it.
Yes, and there's this edge thatwe talk about Paul playing golf
competitively.
Every one of my great, severalof my great friends are very,
very, very high levelaccomplished golfers, multiple
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amateur winners, all the way upto several friends that have won
multiple USJ events.
And the congruent thing thatthey all say is they crave that
edge of the edge between successand failure, knowing that both
are.
You know, failure is a verystrong possibility because you
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only got one winner, but beingon that edge, so obviously their
nervous systems have alreadyaccepted that.
You know it's, this is, this isthe ride.
You know it's almost like yes,we want to play well, yes, we
want to win but my goodness thatride is really what it's all
(44:24):
about.
Yeah, is all of a sudden, all ofa sudden it's safe.
It's like, uh, you know there'sgot to be a certain level of
safety.
When larry hamilton, you know,hit that for that that, that one
iconic wave at chopu, where hewas literally on that edge of
living or dying, potentiallylike literally physical death,
his nervous system was preparedfor it, so he had a belief
(44:45):
subconscious that he can handleit, I can do this.
He wasn't thinking about dyingon the reef, he's thinking of
the thrill of a lifetime.
So, my goodness, what anincredible change of a frame of
reference for all of us that areaspiring to get better.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I'm going to give you a flip example of that too, and
only because it's relevant ortimely for me, because I have a
couple of clients experiencingit and I'm going to simplify the
story a little bit to give usbetter context.
But if you think of someone whohas grown up in a broken home,
hopped foster care to fostercare, one can surmise that this
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individual has learned thattheir normal, their safety, is
chaos.
Safety to them they wereembedded with it is feeling safe
on a roller coaster, whereasfor most of us the thought of
getting on a roller coasterthose first few times is unsafe.
It's scary.
The reason I bring this up isbecause what we see on the golf
course sometimes isthrill-seeking.
(45:48):
It's the person who always hasthe pedal to the metal, always
trying to reach the green in two.
Or you look at their scorecardand it's like birdie, bogey,
birdie, double eagle, bogey.
It's that up and down versus.
You know we see scottyscheffler six birdies, one bogey
.
It's pretty straightforward.
But what I've identified in someof my clients is that that need
to have that thrill because ifyou look back in their childhood
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, the chaos that was familiarwith their lives from day one is
literally where they feel safe.
So same example, but flipped,because we all have what I call
an emotional home.
It's the same core emotionsthat we experienced or were
exposed to most growing up.
It might be stress, it might beanxiety, it might be love, it
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might be peace, but these areemotions that we try to get our
fix of every single day.
So if you grew up in a chaoticenvironment, there's divorce,
there's moving, this, that andthe other.
You're going to seek that inother areas of your life because
it feels familiar and safe.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, even if it's deleterious to your health, it's
still going to feel safe.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
It's wild, isn't?
It Because the subconsciousalways thinks it's helping you
Right.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
No matter what, yeah, yeah, that those are all your
programs or everything, butthankfully, through this,
through what you do, Paul, thatyou can get in there and help
people get unstuck, help peoplerewire these basic core beliefs.
And there's a lot of good folksout there that they have no
idea that this is happening.
(47:20):
There's a lot of good folks outthere that they have no idea
that this is happening and youknow they're just chasing their
tail with taking lessons orswitching coaches or things like
that, just trying to find thatone thing that resonates with
them that's going to help curethem.
And there are really no secretswhen it comes to playing good
(47:42):
golf.
However, this what we'retalking about right now I mean I
think this should be part ofthe PGA program.
You know it really should,Because when you are out there
and you're playing, it doesn'treally matter what you are and
what you're not aware of you.
It's coming out, I it is comingout.
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My goodness, I don't know whatit is about this game ball.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
It's a reflection of life it really is.
Just think about like this,like I use this example in poker
a lot, but it's just asprevalent in golf.
You know, you're playing, let'ssay you're in a threesome and
three holes in a row, yourplaying partners are birdie,
birdie, birdie and you've parbogey bogeyed, you're threatened
.
So how do you respond to threat?
(48:29):
Well, you learned how to dothat on the playground as a
child If you were threatened orbullied or harassed, and that's
what that might trigger asimilar feeling.
In that moment, even thoughyou're not being physically
attacked, there's already apre-designed program ready to be
deployed.
So the moment that trigger isinitiated, there is the
(48:49):
emotional cascade of anger, afight within you, and that
permeates your talk, your filterfor beliefs, decisions and
behaviors.
And suddenly you find yourselftaking unnecessary risks,
rushing, skipping your pre-shotroutine and behaviors.
And suddenly you find yourselftaking unnecessary risks,
rushing, skipping your pre-shotroutine and, metaphorically or
literally, blowing up.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
So common and yet just completely undiagnosed all
the time, primarily within thegolfer.
He or she has no idea that thisbattle is even happening
because they're just reacting.
You know, there's no separationbetween stimulus and response.
Through hypnotherapy this veryphenomenon can exist, where you
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can rewire yourself, where youcan become meta aware of what
these things are and how totranscend them or transmute them
even better.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, I love what you said the distance between
stimulus and response.
I often say one of the greatestgifts I empower my clients with
is the ability to shift fromunconscious reaction to
conscious response.
Subtleties in my word choice,incredibly intentional.
The only difference is a momentof pause, the ability to stop.
(50:11):
Take said negative emotion outof the driver's seat of your
decisions.
Come back online.
I tell that to myfour-month-old all the time he's
crying, he's crying.
I'm like dude, you're offline,come back online.
But the same thing applies tous.
It's like come back online, putthat logical brain back on.
Now, how do you want to chooseto respond?
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Incredibly powerful.
You can almost liken.
You know the unconsciousresponses where people throw
temper tantrums and then theyare subjugated to making poor
decisions based on everythingthat we've talked about.
If they're able to take thatpause, they can really interrupt
those unconscious responses.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Bingo.
That interruption is so key, mm.
Hmm, you know it's funny.
I have my clients.
I do this too personally.
So I practice what I preach.
But when we're really workingto drill, changing a detrimental
behavior it's called astrategic pattern interrupt.
But I will have them literallyout loud, yell like stop it,
stop it, or clap or clap or likefuck.
(51:17):
Like you have to viscerallyshake yourself, knock yourself
from that chain of focus becauseit brings you to the present
moment, which presents anopportunity to choose how to
move forward rather than beinghooked on that emotional
reaction.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, I've said it before, I'm going to say it
again.
There's one example I'm goingto say.
I mean, tiger, everybody hastheir ways of dealing with this
that are consciously aware ofthis, but Tiger gave himself a
10-foot circle it's probablysomething his dad taught him a
10-foot circle so he could doand say whatever he wants.
(51:55):
He can react like an absoluteidiot.
If he hits a bad shot, as soonas he walks 10 feet away from
where the shot was played, he'srid himself of that energy.
It's gone.
So he actually is allowinghimself to be a human being, a
hyper-competitive person, andnot somebody who's devoid of
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emotion.
He's accepting that, but he'smoving on.
It's not that energy is notcarrying over into the next shot
.
Yeah, I, I.
I think that's probably, as itmight, might, be his greatest
attributes, because you know, weall hold him in great reverence
.
But I think what we need to dois he beat all of those guys out
(52:40):
there mentally, 100%.
It got to a point where peoplewere out driving him.
There were some people thatwere even hitting it better than
him, but he still beat him.
Why?
What's going on between theears?
Yeah, what's going on betweenthe ears.
So I think that pattern.
(53:01):
Interrupt, though, is huge.
That's a that's a big one rightthere to allow the, the golfer.
You know, I'm going to say formyself, if I hit a poor shot, I
might set an intention that dayprior to of how I am going to
consciously deal with poor shots.
(53:21):
Am I going to have the space toobjectively look at it and say
was that a physical thing or wasthat an internal environment
thing?
Was I time traveling?
That gives me enough space totake the charge of
disappointment or anger away.
If I can look at it like a mathproblem, objectively, I was
(53:42):
going to say the same thing.
You know, if I can look at itthat way, it takes the charge,
and then that that moment isgone.
If I, if I want to give myself,uh, that intention for the day
of, I'm going to reflect.
You know I'm not going to putmy foot on the gas today.
It's going to be more of areflection.
Let's see what I can learn,might even write a note in my
phone, or going into atournament.
(54:06):
How am I going to handle poorshots?
Well, if you can game planprior to, you're going to give
yourself outs, which will lessenthe energetic charge.
That's a big one, because I seethat ruin more people's rounds
by them carrying the energy ofanger and disappointment.
Or, you know, even I have foundthat through my own.
(54:31):
You know, if I'm going to be alittle bit vulnerable here
through my own journey, paul,and tell me if this resonates
but I found that I had carried alot of shame and when I let go
of that through therapy, throughmeditation, that the
translation on the golf coursewas I'm not perfect, I'm going
to hit bad shots, who cares?
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That's why I got wedges, youknow, and if I could, I could
even stack the deck more in myfavor if I give myself allowance
and hit those shots right there, like, hey, dude, you're going
to miss a three footer, you'regoing to hit a bad shot, you
might hit one out of bounds, youmight get a ball stuck in the
tree.
By the way, all of those thingshappened last year in every
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tournament I played in.
I don't think I hit any out ofbounds, but I missed plenty of
three footers.
But if I pre-program myself toaccept that I'm not one of the
best players in the world, I'mjust trying to be the best that
I can be and I allow myself alittle bit of love to accept
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being not perfect and it's safefor you to be not perfect.
Something that I say to myself.
It's safe for me not to beperfect.
I never would have thought 20years ago that that affirmation
right there would be right.
You're like what?
That sounds a little fluff,dude.
Have you been down in a junglesomewhere?
(56:03):
Well, no, I mean it's.
It's.
It's the absolute truth,because I can guarantee anybody
who's listening to this that'show scotty shuffler operates.
My friend lydia ko, well, youknow, everybody who's played
this game at a tremendously highlevel has that acceptance like,
hey, you haven't hit a bad shot, you know it's OK, but what,
(56:26):
what?
What's the real gift behindthese things?
I'm going to take a take a termfrom my coach, john Erickson,
that what we're talking aboutare vapor trails of what the
work truly does bring out, andgetting in there and getting
into the subconscious and reallydiving into shadow work yeah,
(56:50):
and really embracing the shadow.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
So well said, and this is why I love these
conversations with you.
I'll make a note too.
I thought I loved how youbrought up like just the
acceptance of mistakes, thepermission to be imperfect.
I think one low hanging fruitopportunity for all of your
listeners as well, first andforemost if they're not doing
some type of visualizationbefore a round.
(57:14):
There here's the reminder youabsolutely should be.
But the mistake many people makewhen doing visualization before
a round is they don't visualizemaking mistakes.
That's a superpower, that's anedge.
When you visualize makingmistakes and bouncing back,
seeing how you're going tohandle them, it translates
(57:35):
directly to the round becauseguess what You're going to make
mistakes.
The round because guess whatYou're going to make mistakes.
And when they inevitably happen, you've already, preemptively
or proactively, rather reducetheir emotional charge.
So that trigger that youstumble upon doesn't have nearly
the same magnitude of anemotional charge.
It might just be a deep breathor two and you're focused and
(57:57):
locked in on the next shot.
So that's something youabsolutely need to be doing to
take your game to the next shot.
So that's something youabsolutely need to be doing to
take your game to the next level.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
I'm going to finish up with this just to punctuate
that statement, paul, which wasincredibly well said.
There was an old school tourpro by the name of Clarence Rose
.
Those people that are my age,or at least over the age of 40,
would know who he is.
I think he won about four timesout on the PGA Tour.
Well, I got to know him alittle bit and I remember one
(58:28):
time playing golf with him.
He came up to me several timesand he asked where my miss was
and I thought what are youtalking about?
Whereas I'm not trying to missthe ball, he's like no, where's
your miss?
So he whipped out his PGA Touryardage book, he looked, he
(58:50):
showed me a couple of notes andhe said this is where I want to
miss.
This gives me the optimal placeto get the ball up and down,
because, just remember, jesse,you're not going to birdie every
hole and sometimes a bogey is agood score, depending on how
you calculate your misses.
And I thought and I didn'tquite understand it at the time,
(59:14):
but it did plant a seed and itabsolutely parallels exactly
what we're talking about.
So the two go hand in hand.
He's already predisposed to thefact that, yeah, he's one of
the best players in the world,but he's also human.
So he's going to pre-programand even strategize potential
pitfalls and where to hit it andwhere not to hit it on the golf
(59:35):
course, and that has absolutelynothing to do with how he's
hitting it for that particularday.
He has these pre-programmed.
Now, once somebody develops alittle bit more awareness and
they do have their A game, thenyou can hit the accelerator a
little bit.
(59:56):
But those are few and farbetween.
Bit, yeah, but those are two.
Those are few and far between.
But, paul, I got, I got to tellyou, you know, first and
foremost, how can people getahold of you?
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah.
So the best place to reallylearn more which I think is
always a great place to start isgo listen to my podcast.
Jesse's been kind enough tojoin me as a guest.
It's the scratch golfersmindset podcast, and I'm very
active on Instagram atthegolfhypnotherapist or
thegolfhypnotherapistcom.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And you know this isn't going to be.
We've had Paul on a few times.
We hope to have him on somewhatregularly, because this
conversation is all aboutevolution.
It just never stops.
It was all about evolution.
It just never stops, you know,and we don't want it to, because
I do believe that the bestversion of best versions of
(01:00:47):
ourselves, on and off the golfcourse, can just keep ascending,
absolutely, you know, andthat's the joy.
The joy is in the doing.
The results are the after that,they're the vapor trails, in my
opinion falling in love withthe process, yeah, ben.
Hogan said it.
Paul, I can't thank you enough,pal.
(01:01:08):
Always a pleasure to talk toyou and I'll make sure that we
have a.
Is there anything?
Any?
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
other thing that you want to finish up with, just my
utmost gratitude to you, myfriend.
Always an absolute pleasure, sograteful, grateful.
We got to do this again.
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
And I'm going to make sure that all Paul's contact
information is in the show notes, including his links to his
very, very, very good podcast.
Thank you,
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