Unlocking Advanced Ball Striking Techniques: John Sing on Revolutionizing Your Golf Game

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Unlock the secrets of Advanced Ball Striking (ABS) with John Sing, a remarkable golfer who has turned his mid-range handicap into a sub-par game through this revolutionary technique. Join us as John shares his transformative journey, revealing how ABS has simplified his golf swing and reduced his emotional attachment to ball flight outcomes. With insights from golf masters John Erickson and Bradley Hughes, this episode promises to provide you with a fresh perspective on refining your golf skills and reaching new heights in your game.

Discover the power of repetitive drills and the importance of building internal knowledge and kinesthetic awareness through ABS. Learn how to develop a deeper connection with your game by awakening your inner coach and trusting your body's natural movements. This episode explores how golfers can improve their techniques by focusing on movement practices separate from hitting the ball, leading to a more intuitive and consistent performance on the course.

Uncover the intricate relationship between golf swing mechanics and equipment setup as we discuss the influence of vintage clubs and customized gear on your swing. John Sing shares engaging personal anecdotes, illustrating how these insights have enriched his understanding of the game. Embrace the mind-body connection in golf, shifting from analytical to intuitive play, and learn how historical greats like Hogan and Sneed adapted their techniques. Whether you're an ABS enthusiast or curious about enhancing your golf experience, join us for an engaging exploration of advanced ball striking techniques and community support.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman of the Flag Hunters
Golf Podcast, welcoming you toanother edition.
For the next two weeks we'regoing back into ABS, advanced
Ball Striking.
This week we have a man by thename of John Singon, and anybody
who has listened to thispodcast knows I'm a longtime

(00:23):
student of John Erickson andBradley Hughes.
In my opinion, I think it'ssome of the finest instruction
in the world.
It's tangible, it's palpableand it's going to be absolutely
exemplified through the words ofmy guest, and his name is John
Singh.
John is also a fellow advancedball striking student and he

(00:46):
shares his story in his journeyin this conversation uh,
tremendously.
He shares it with great detailhis golf journey and where he
has come from prior to findingabs, which we hold short for
advanced ball striking to wherehe is now.
And he has traveled a longdistance, from somebody who was

(01:12):
a mid-range candy cap for themajority of his life to breaking
par for the first time for nineholes through the teachings and
the study and the execution ofthe principles in advanced ball
striking.
In my opinion, advanced ballstriking is such an easy way to
learn the golf swing because itrequires working on movements

(01:38):
and a lot of these movements areaway from hitting a golf ball
and I've said it time and timeagain that sometimes you have to
separate what you see in theair versus what you're working
on individually.
It's very difficult to makechanges on the range when you're
doing it through the lens ofhitting golf balls, because it's

(02:01):
hard to separate the emotionand or the attachment of good
and bad.
So when you're looking at aball, you're after you've hit a
ball and you're looking at it,you're it's, you're still
judging the ball flight.
So in advanced ball striking,along with bradley hughes I'm

(02:23):
including bradley in thisbecause he is a major, major
part of this umbrella you do alot of the movements away from
hitting a golf ball and I'mfinding that that relaxes the
ego a bit so that the movementsare done with singular focus and
you're not distracted byhitting a golf ball.

(02:45):
I believe it's very powerful,it's an easy way to learn and
john absolutely uh says it inspades.
So anybody who is interestedplease go to
advancedballstrikingcom.
All one word and then yougoogle brad.
He has several differentwebsites that you can partake in

(03:07):
and get equal golf affirminginformation.
That's very powerful and itwill definitely help your game.
It's helped mine.
We have a great adage withinthe community it's 100% success
rate if you apply yourself.
I found that to be true.
The people that are a part ofthe community that have come on

(03:28):
the podcast found that to betrue, and you'll hear it through
the words of John.
Next week we've got a specialone with John Erickson and the
current reigning USGA senioramateur champion, lewis Brown,
who's also an advanced ballstriking student and a longtime
friend of John's.
So that'll be coming in nextweek, but this week, enjoy John,

(03:51):
enjoy his story.
I certainly did, and sorry forthe long winded intro.
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(04:15):
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So also, too, before I forget,don't forget to rate, review and
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I love reading the comments.
It gives me good platforms, itlets me know what you all want

(04:35):
me to study and bring about, andwhoever that is.
So thanks again.
Please rate, review andsubscribe and have a great week,
you all, and enjoy john's storycheers.

(05:05):
So Hello and welcome to the FlagHunters Golf Podcast.
My name is Jesse Perryman andI'm flying solo today.
Justin's too busy on the otherside of the world in Singapore,
probably on the lesson teehelping another phenom out.
But we're going to startsomething here.
A little bit phenom out, butwe're going to start something
here a little bit.
Well, not necessarily new, butthose who are, who listen

(05:29):
long-time listeners to thepodcast, follow the podcast know
that I'm I am a student, anactive participant and a big fan
of advanced ball striking, so Ifigured we'd do what we did a
couple years ago.
We're going to get some ABSstudents on and we're going to
talk about their journey, talkabout how they found it, their
journey and everything thatencompasses advanced ball

(05:53):
striking and how it's benefitedthem.
And we have one of the greatABS students on right now.
His name is John Singh.
John, welcome to the pod, myfriend.
Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Hey, thanks for having me.
I don't know if I'm one of thegreat students of ABS, but I'm
certainly one of the students ofABS that's very dedicated to
this and it's a great thing totalk about.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, just before we started today, john and I talked
yesterday and we had a goodconversation about it and you
know, there's so many differentmethodologies out there.
There's so many people.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
And with the Internet I mean, there's like thousands,
if not millions of them outthere.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
You've got a lot of golf instruction out there.
You got a lot of golfinstruction out there and
sometimes you just you're justlike where in the flying heck do
you start?
What's true, what isn't, youknow?
I mean, my goodness, you got agentleman saying this, you have
a lady saying that.
Are they saying the same things, are they?

(07:00):
I mean, there's there's a lotof big time confusion.
I'm sorry, say that one moretime.
My little dog was barking again.
That's, that's all right.
You know, there's so muchconfusion out there.
There's a lot of confusion with, uh, methodologies.
There's so much on the internet, there's so much on the socials

(07:21):
and uh, it's hard to kind ofsift through all of that.
How, how did you do it, john?
How'd you sift through all ofit and find, uh, the holy grail
at the end of the rainbow, thepot of?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
you know, and I think , uh, uh, you know, and this you
know podcast, this particularone is for all of us, like the
all of us average golfers outthere, all all of us who know we
wish we were blessed withsuperhuman eye-hand coordination
, but we're like most normalpeople, but we really want to
enjoy this game and I do thinkthat, at least for myself.

(07:55):
One thing about golf is ithelps a little bit if you're
willing to try to understand alittle bit about what's really
going on, willing to try tounderstand a little bit about
what's really going on.
And you have to just look atall this different information
with an eye, ask good questionsof good people and then really
start to sort it out foryourself.
Now, in the particular case ofwith all this information,

(08:21):
without a doubt having some goodinstructors or some fellow
students or a community whereyou can get some good
information, start to bouncethings back and forth and
everybody's going to sort outfor themselves how some people
want to do it.
Some people got to be reallyanalytical, other people are
very feel-oriented, some peoplelearn things by visual, other
people learn things auditorially.
You feel it.
So we all have to find our ownway, but the good news is is

(08:44):
that I think what we're alllooking for is a methodology
that does a couple of things Notonly gives us the knowledge
that we need to know, but alsogives us the physical path to
get there, because knowing howto do it is not the same thing
as physically being able to doit and being able to realize

(09:04):
that.
Okay, well, I know what I needto do, but how am I going to
actually learn to get my body todo these kinds of kinds of
things?
And I think you know, to make along story short, I mean our
host here, jesse Perriman.
He's the one at fault for megetting involved with advanced
ball striking, because you know,I've been playing.
Just by way of introduction,I've been playing golf since I

(09:28):
was a teenager.
I was a baseball player in highschool and I was a pretty small
guy, so I started playing golfand you know, I'm 65 and a half
years old right now and thething about this great game is,
all through all that,self-learning and junior golf
programs, and then you knowplaying uh, my friends and
everything, and, being somewhatserious about it, you can always

(09:51):
still find great things tolearn, and I, you know.
I mean, my handicap was like Idon't know, at one point when I
was in my 20s high 20s I'dprobably I don't know maybe like
a six or seven or somethinglike that.
I'm certainly not that way now,because I'm not, I don't have
the same body as I did, but, um,in december of 2022, if I

(10:14):
remember right.
You know, I'm in my garageworking and I'm listening to
podcasts and youtube beams to me, jesse perriman's flag hunters,
and I started listening to himtalking about this and it really
just started to hit somethingvery specific, which is what's
really going on inside the bodyand underneath all of the

(10:36):
positions, underneath all thedifferent methodologies.
And I had been with Lynn Blake.
Lynn Blake has been a greatteacher of mine, really.
In 19, what was it?
2019, 2020, I hooked up withthem and really for the first
time in my life, reallyunderstood what the golf swing
looks like externally and whatyou're supposed to really try to

(10:59):
do.
But the golfing machine doesn'treally tell you and most
methodologies, in my opinion,they tell you a lot of things
around what you're to try toachieve, but they don't really
tell you how are you supposed todo that inside of your body,
how?
What does it actually requireto you in terms of repetitions

(11:19):
in order to get there?
I mean, it's not just like onebucket of balls and one and done
.
And that's where I thinkadvanced ball striking for all
handicaps whether you're juststarting out or whether you're a
very advanced player and youreally want to take your game to
the next level it really bringssomething to the table that in
my investigation you know I'm a40-year software engineer, work

(11:42):
for IBM.
I've done a lot of big projectswith big organizations.
I know a little bit about whatit takes to get big
organizations and smallorganizations to try to make big
changes.
It's still the same with people.
It got to basically figure out away to just boil it down to a
step-by-step set of proceduresthat a lot of different people
can work on, can work togetheras a community and find out what

(12:06):
works for you, and that takessome knowledge.
So that's a little bit long wayaround.
You got to understand the golfswing.
Advanced ball striking doesn'tpresuppose to tell you
everything.
It kind of says you're a decentstudent, you've been studying
to do your homework and nowlet's kind of take and give you
the unified field theory thatunderpins all these things.

(12:28):
So you can have differentmethodologies, regardless of
whether you're a Ledbetterperson or whether you're a
Bush-Harmon person, whetheryou're an Andrew Rice person you
can do all those things, things.
But underneath it advanced ballstriking, in my opinion, really
I noticed that it laid a set offundamentals underneath all of

(12:50):
those that allowed all of thoseto pin together, and so you can
keep on doing what you're doing,but at a whole new level.
And in my experience, this isthe other thing For a lot of
years and I've been with LynnBlake, for you know, seeing him
for about three or four years.
So, yeah, I'm improving some.
But a year and a half worth ofadvanced ball striking

(13:15):
underneath it is things thathappened to me, just never
happened before.
You know, I had never, everdone things like reeled off.
You know, eight out of ninegreens hitting eight out of nine
greens in a row.
I'd never had a situation in mylife.
You know what was it?
Earlier this year, first timein my life, I shot a round under

(13:35):
par.
Now that's a mid-handicapper.
I keep on getting better andI'll tell you the thing that
advanced ball striking has done.
It's not that my good shots arebetter, because actually they're
not.
I could hit good shots, I justwouldn't necessarily hit them
consistently.
It's that because of theadvanced ball striking things
that it gave me an ability toteach inside of my body, my bad

(13:57):
shots are a lot better than theywere.
I miss it a lot better places.
I don't miss them and I knowwhy.
If I miss something, I know whyI miss something.
It better places I don't.
I don't miss them, I don't, andI know why.
If I miss something, I know whyI miss something.
It's not like it's a mysteryand let's go back and look for
you know the, the tip of theweek to try to go get lost in
that particular tip.
It's like, okay, I know whathappens, I know why it happens.

(14:18):
Let's go back to doing somedrills.
Because here's the other thingover the course of a year and a
half I mean I've got a littlespreadsheet, I've been keeping
track I have probably done, interms of repetitions of these
advanced ball striking drills, Idon't know somewhere in the

(14:39):
range of, I don't know, maybegetting close to 7,000, 8,000
reps, something like that, and Iwould start to notice every
single time I keep doing thereps, I keep on finding new
things in the same basics that Istarted with.
The basics keep getting better.
I could start finding thingsthat I never would have done if

(15:00):
I hadn't been doing reps.
And this I tell there's oneother crazy thing if I hadn't
been doing reps.
And I tell there's one othercrazy thing In the year and a
half that I've been doing it,the total number of range balls
that I've hit baskets of rangeballs I'm going to guess I've
probably hit less than 100.

(15:20):
And that's in a year and likebecause I'm doing the drills
most of the time.
So then, whenever I actuallyget to the point of going and
doing a bucket of range ballsand then actually going out and
playing on the course, my bodyknows something that it didn't
have before because I've doneenough repetitions without a
ball.
So my body's got oh, I got asecond pattern that I can call
on and let's try this one Verylong way around.

(15:42):
Jesse, hope that was helpful toeverybody, but you know, that's
the kind of nutshell gives me alittle bit of my thoughts.
So now let's dive into a littlemore and see where we want to
take this.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, I just by the way, that's a great explanation,
john.
I couldn't have thought of itbetter than better myself.
You mentioned about there'ssomething internally being built
.
Yes, so you know, I'm going toclarify that and comment on that
.
Let's talk about the drillsthemselves.

(16:17):
I can go back when I startedworking with Bradley in March of
2020, to where I'm at today,and I went out and played golf
today.
I hadn't really been, uh,basically my season's over, but
I'm going to start working onanother set of drills and that's

(16:39):
for a little bit later in theconversation.
But I don't hit golf balls andI was able to go out today.
I hadn't really touched a clubin a week and I was able to go
out and hit some good shots andkeep myself in the ballgame.
But I know intuitively now,after doing repetition upon

(17:02):
repetition of these drills,where the internal pressures
have been built, where theycontinue to be built and what
the manifestation of thoseinternal pressures are on the
golf club and how I feel itkinesthetically.
And I think that what you justsaid and what I added on to it

(17:22):
is a common thread in theadvanced ball striking community
.
For those students who havebeen at it for a while.
We're coming up with the samethings.
They just might have differentmanifestations, but I find it
interesting that by doing thedrills and doing this

(17:43):
methodology, we don'tnecessarily have to bang on
John's line or Bradley's line,john Erickson or Bradley Hughes
trying to figure out hey pro,hey John, I'm going to send you
a video.
What am I doing wrong?
It's because of going throughthe drills, we're awakening our
inner coach, our inner teacher.

(18:04):
We have an intuitive and a deepkinesthetic sense of what's
happening, and I don't reallyknow of any other methodology
that teaches that way from theinside out, with the
explanations that have I'veresonated, with all the
explanations.

(18:25):
Um, you mentioned somethingother we could talk about too,
about community.
If anybody who's listening cango to advancedball strikingcom
all one word, and you are goingto find threads that date back
to 2011, 2010, when, john,earlier than that, even earlier

(18:46):
than that, 2008.
I mean hundreds of 1000s ofbits of information that you can
take and definitely identifywith, many multiple or even just
one.
You know the methodology andthe community are primarily

(19:08):
built around drills, and we'regoing to start.
We'll talk about equipment too,and a how-to, particularly.
You know how you're feelingthat particular day.
There's even options of ballpositions, depending on how you
feel that day, and you knowwhat's resonating with you on
the range prior to playing golf,particularly in a golf

(19:29):
tournament.
So it's a one-stop shop.
And the thing that blows me away, john and I've heard it from
many of the members of thecommunity and yourself included
about how this has taught you toreally feel what's going on
internally and how that actuallymakes sense of maybe what Alain

(19:54):
Blake was trying to teach youor something that you may have
heard of.
You mentioned Claude Harman.
Butch Harman know, oh, okay,now I understand what they're
saying and and uh, my problemwith modern instruction today is
that there's not enoughexplanation of exactly what we
just said.

(20:15):
So it's it's kind of like ifyou're going out on the range,
you're, you kind of have thesense of okay, I heard butch
harman this, or I heard whoeversay whatever, and you're
wondering am I doing it right?
I don't really feel it.
And then you have to use video,and I think that there's a
possibility that most people aretrying to find that kinesthetic

(20:36):
sense of oh okay, that's whatI'm supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, and let's break it down for the folks listening
, because you know you weresaying say, okay, that sounds
great about.
What are these guys reallytalking about?
So of course, we all know wegot great, we all have great
technology.
I mean, you know, hack motionis just incredible things you
can do.
The thing about it is is that,um, when, if you, if the hack
motion tells you you this is theposition that you're in and

(21:02):
this is where quote the tour pro, who may or may not be using
post-impact thrust, by the way,and we'll get into that is doing
it and you should be doing itthis way, and this is all great.
I mean, it's good information.
But the most important thing isunderstanding.
Okay, if I need to kind of bein this position at this point

(21:22):
or be following these paths,there's a you think about this.
You could put your body inexactly the right position all
the way through, but if you'renot driving your body in the
correct way to do it, I mean youmight be doing it very
suboptimally.
You could be doing it with muchslower speed, because it is a
question of what does theinternal body tensions, muscular

(21:47):
forces and directions that youneed to create to have the
effect be those positions.
It's not.
Here's the position.
Let's try to get my body intoit.
It's like what do you have todo underneath in your body?
And this is what the ABSdrilling methodology is about.
This is what it really struck meis it starts out with a set of
drills step, and it's verystructured.

(22:08):
It takes you in a series ofmodules eight modules, step by
step, and it starts building thefirst step one by one, with the
idea that if you don't do thefirst module really well, it
won't matter if you're doingthis, trying to do the second
one, because you'll be, youwon't have the strength.
These modules are based uponrepetition, using things like a
bag and you know, just do ahitting bag.

(22:30):
But the idea is to build up thestrength in your body to be
able to do the things that thepositions are, because if you
don't have the strength, itwon't matter whether or not
you're trying to get in thisposition.
Your body can't physicallyperform what it is that you
could be doing and yet you couldeasily build up to it by just

(22:50):
being able to build upon thedrill.
So the drills that are part ofthe ABS curriculum then,
step-by-step, gives you twothings.
It gives you a step-by-steppath to build up the internal
body strength and the skills todo whatever it is you try to do.
That's where you add into ityour knowledge of the golf swing
.
And the second thing is itgives you the necessary

(23:12):
repetition so your bodyremembers how to do that, not on
the range, but when you're outplaying on the course and you
don't have time to think aboutanything.
You just got to go up there andyou got a bunch of people
watching you.
You're like I just got to callup a feeling and go with it.
And because the drillsbasically you've done enough
repetitions you build up thestrength, you have internal body

(23:33):
feelings.
You go okay, I'm going to pullup these body feelings and go
with it.
And now your body.
You can let it free wheelbecause it doesn't have to go,
try to figure out what to do.
You've already given it theright things to do and it can
focus on doing whatever thehuman body does magnificently to
somehow get all the rest of thestuff lined up to go where
you're trying to send it.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, that's so well said, John.
And you know what's interestingabout that is the folks that
are a part of the advanced ballstriking community who have done
the work for many years.
Everybody's golf swing is theirown.
You know it's not like you'reseeing the same things, but if
you look under the hood, yeah,you'll be able to identify the

(24:18):
pressures and where the shaft isgetting pressure coming into
the hitting area and what'shappening beyond.
So let's, let's talk about in,in and uh for those uh to
reference both mods one throughthree and drills one through
three, with bradley's version,bradley hughes, who's also a ma,
a master instructor of advancedball striking I mean he's

(24:41):
helping a lot of tour pros and alot of great players out there
just really get better.
So they're basically the same.
There's a little bit differentexplanation or maybe whatever.
I mean it washes out at the endof the day.
But so when you first joinadvanced ball striking and you
decide, okay, I've seen enough,I've read enough, I've listened

(25:04):
to podcasts out there about it.
There's guys on tour winning.
There's uh girls coming up,young ladies coming up that are
bradley students that you'regoing to hear about.
He's got guys on the championstour.
Okay, I'm ready to sign up.
You sign up first.
You sign up First three mods.
Give us a brief rundown andthen we'll talk about each one,

(25:24):
okay.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah.
So mod one is basically aboutthe wrist and the forearm
rotation right down in thehitting area.
So you've got a heavy bag andyou basically are learning what,
by the way, most of us havenever learned to do, including
when people start out, theyabsolutely have no idea that
they need to have pretty goodsize, pretty good forearm
strength and the ability to beable to basically hold a club
from a cock position, from theright line, just be able to

(25:56):
rotate it and strike into thebag.
Bag doesn't lie to you verymuch.
As soon as you hit the baggently, you pretty much can tell
whether you hit it square orwhether, like, oh no, that
wouldn't have worked pretty goodand you're and, and, and, of
course, uh, you, uh.
John erickson um version is theone I I use.
You know he basically explainseverything.

(26:18):
There's people that willsupport you.
You send in a video and they'llsay, yeah, that's right, we
want you to kind of hit the bagthis way.
There's a nice set of videosthat shows you how to do it, a
community where you can ask tonsof questions and about hey, am
I doing it right?
But basically the first step isit basically strengthens the
forearms and you basically learnhow to uncock the club from

(26:39):
basically your right hip intothe ball.
And that's the foundation,because if you don't have the
strength to do that, then youwon't really be able to do step
number two, module two which isokay, now that I kind of know
how to just physically do thatlet's take the body tensions and
let's try to strengthen theinsides of your legs and your

(27:01):
core.
Let's kind of put yourself in aposition where you can do more
than just use your forearms,which you've built up a little
bit now.
So let's now add to that thebody so that you can do that.
You're still doing thatbasically from the right hip
into the ball.
Now, most people don't everstart that way.
They're maybe well away withthe driver and you're 100 miles

(27:24):
an hour trying to figure outwhere to send the ball, instead
of trying to help your bodybuild a set of skills that it
can say oh, I got some toolshere I can use when I'm trying
to strike the ball, and you doenough of these repetitions to
do all of that.
That you've got some strengthbuilt up.
In my opinion, and most of usABS students will say the same

(27:46):
module three is the beautifulcore of it all and these modules
we will always revisit time andnever forever, for the rest of
our lives, because you can neverget too good at these is the
concept of post impact pivotthrust.
Let me say that again Postimpact pivot thrust.

(28:07):
Now, what is post impact pivotthrust?
The philosophy of ABS is thatyou want to do something known
as holding shaft flex, in otherwords, when the club is coming
through the ball, that, if youwere to look at it and there's a
lot of science you can do to dothis the stress is actually if

(28:31):
you could do it to the best wayto do it.
People like Ben Hogan, theshaft is actually bent backwards
because he's still acceleratingas he's coming through the ball
and people say, oh well, youknow, that's not the way it's
supposed to work.
We've seen, you know, tour prosand everybody's shaft is lean
forward just a little little bitand that's just the way it

(28:51):
works.
And while that's absolutelytrue except the people that you
would say were the premier ballstriker not just the great, just
really good ball strikers,which every tour pro you know is
they're fantastic and they arephysically hand-eye coordination
or far beyond anything most ofus normal people ever will be
able to do.
I mean, these are people thatjust you know.

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They're incredible.
But the universal thing is ifyou can just flip that around
and say post-impact pivot thrustis the idea that, rather than
throwing the club at the ball,what you want to do is your
entire body.
Takes the things you learned inmodules one and two.
You keep rotating your bodypast the ball, so the club is

(29:34):
continuing to trail behind.
Nina, could you help out withmy little dog, tosha there?
Thank you.
And the post-impact pivotthrust keeps the club behind the
body.
It keeps the shaft bent back tothe greatest extent that you
can.
And you learn to do.
Something that almost nobody, inmy opinion, focuses on, like we

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do in core, is to turn theentire body and the core of the
body and the arms and the hipsin such a way that you're
continuing to rotate.
Your fastest point of rotationfor the body is actually when
it's pointed uh, at a point atleast 45 degrees, if not further
, past the ball, because theclub is behind you.
So post-impact pivot thrust issomething that you can do, and

(30:23):
I'm going to read something herethat is on the website.
This is like something JohnErickson I quote the golf swing
is a lot of if this, then thatand this is what makes golf so
difficult to analyze if you'rejust really trying to do it from
a position standpoint or purelyobservational standpoint.

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So if you start the downswingwith the body in the proper way,
then you don't have to throwaway your rotation early.
If you hold back your torsorotation, as we teach in the
models, you can save it forlater when you want to rotate
your body past the ball so youcan strike it with that

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incredible authority andcompression that we're after.
You can do this, basically withthe concept of post-impact pivot
thrust.
If you have post-impact pivotthrust, you can't or you won't
have to hit from the top orover-accelerate with the arms
and the hands.
If the bulk of your torsorotation is happening

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post-impact, then you have achance to fire your hands and
arms that we're doing in moduleone and two actively through
impact.
If you fire your hands actively, then you must have effective
post-impact pivot thrust so thatyou can stay ahead of those
hands.
And that right there, myfriends, that's the thing that

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happens.
You stop and think about it.
Think about every golfer who'snot quite as good as you.
You all know who we're talkingabout.
You're kind of watching themhitting balls in the range.
You're playing with them andyou'll notice that you can tell
that the hands trying to throwthe club at the ball is what not
not working very well.

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But the real question is what doyou replace it with?
What do you do instead, and howcan I get there?
You know so anyway.
So that's the module three, andthen we take all those things
so we help you to kind of buildthe ground forces and the body
strength so you can do thispost-impact pivot thrust.

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Now it just covers the surfacebecause there's a lot of other
things to go with it, but thoseare the core and, at least in my
experience all of us we tend tokeep on revisiting Module 3.
Because if you do a great Module3, and, by the way, there's
tons of videos and if you reallyknow what to look for in the
great ball strikers not just thegood ones, but the great ones

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In today's world, the WyndhamClarks of the world, for example
you look at people like the LeeTrevino's of the world, you
could see and you know what tolook for, all of a sudden it
starts becoming really, reallyapparent that people like John
Rahm have tremendous post-impactpivot thrust, and that's one of

(33:14):
the reasons they are, or were,such great ball strikers,
because even on their off daysthey could show up, get off an
airplane, you know, basicallyjust go stand on the first tee
and just smoke it.
And it was not necessarily justbecause they were great, it was
because part of theirfundamentals and their technique
allowed them a much easier wayto be able to do that.
Anyway, for what it's worth,back to you, jesse, so anyway,

(33:38):
for what it's worth.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Back to you, jesse.
What a great explanation.
John, thanks for that.
I concur with all mods onethrough three and one thing that
mod one draw one in Bradley'sversion did for me, starting
from the beginning is you startinto impact, so you really are
training.
You know there's not, I'm goingto go back, I'm going to hold

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that thought and I'm going to goto.
There isn't a lot of golfinstruction that is teaching
proper forearm rotation, and sowe'll go back to that.
So drill one, mod one isactually teaching people to come

(34:20):
from the inside and rotate theclub into the hitting area with
your forearm rotation.
It's another added element ofspeed and it ties into mod three
.
So mods one through three arethey have to be tied in together
.
You can't just do mod three.

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It won't work that way.
Correct when you're buildingthese internal pressures and
really teaching the body, you'reteaching the body or you're
creating new neural pathways, inproper speak.
Today you are greasing newgrooves and you're remyelinating
new neural pathways.

(35:01):
So, in essence, you're teachingthe body how to go unconscious
by introducing these movementsto them.
It's interesting that youmentioned we just don't hit any
balls, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I mean, there's nothing wrong with hitting balls
, but it's actually better ifyou spend more time to learn
teaching your body.
So your body, when it does goto hit balls, it's actually got
tools to work with, as opposedto.
I don't know what I'm going todo now because I got a ball in
front of me.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Right, yeah, you're just trying to find it or figure
it out or work on something youheard.
It's really a we'll say a CF,and those probably can decipher
what that means.
I don't have to say it.
It's a real CF.
When you go onto a range and youdon't really have just there's
nothing to draw from.

(35:50):
You don't already have a set offundamentals to draw from.
So mods one through three areindeed these fundamentals.
One through three are indeedthese fundamentals.
The thing that John and Bradleyhave figured out is that the
interesting thing about theiranalysis with figuring out the
world's greatest ball strikers,because they've extrapolated
what the great ball strikers did.

(36:11):
But if you look at thedifference between a Sam Snead
and a Julius Burroughs and anAdam Scott today, or even a
Scotty Shuffler, you would thinkthat none of them swing the
same at all.
And then you start throwing JimFuryk into the mix, sergio
Garcia, nick Price, nick Faldo Ican go on and on, and, on, and

(36:32):
on, and on about all of thesegreat players Miller, barber,
alan Doyle some of these peopleLike how do they do that?
If you understand what to lookfor, you can see it, and then
you could, and then, and then,when you can see it, and then
you see all these people doingit and you now have a blueprint
to do exactly what they're doinginternally.

(36:55):
Right, that's correct.
Then you have see.
As soon as I understand, itgave me more motivation because
my understanding was deeper.
Oh okay, hey, I might not beable to do it as well as they
did, but I can do it as well asI can.
That's, and that's really kindof the promise of advanced ball

(37:16):
striking here.
Here are the tools, kind of thepromise of advanced ball
striking.
Here are the tools.
Go, use them and you're goingto come out.
However, you're going to comeout, whatever you're intending
to come out.
I've had some great messagesfrom folks that are members of
the advanced ball strikingcommunity going I can't believe
it.
I've done this, I've alwayswanted to do this.

(37:38):
A guy never broke 80, and heshot even par.
You know just, you hear thesestories over and over again and
you just can't believe it.
And those who apply theseprinciples I mean, we kind of
have this joke going around thecommunity going it's 100%

(37:58):
success rate.
But the funny thing is thatit's not a joke.
This is the truth.
So if you commit to it, thething also too, john.
I wanted to get your opinionabout this and I've talked to
John about this.
Erickson, that is it, is it?
I find it very easy to learnaway from hitting a golf ball.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
What do you think about that?
I think absolutely yes, becausethe focus is on teaching our
body to be able to not only do aspecific set of movement
patterns that have been provento be successful, but it's
giving your body enough properrepetitions to develop really so
that you can do it to the bestof your own capability.

(38:50):
Because that's the thing.
Let's be very clear this is nota quick fix.
Anybody who's here who says I'mgoing to, I want to buy a golf
swing and going to do this andand then 10 swings, that
obviously doesn't work that wayin life, it doesn't work that
way in golf.
But if you've got a guidelinewith these modules for a very
effective way to teach yourselfyour own best way to move as

(39:13):
best as you can in the provenways, that's going to help you
hit the, hit the golf ball aswell as you physically are able
to do.
And that may not ever be morethan you know a good nine, but
if you were coming from a 27you're like, someday I'd like to
just get to a single digit.
It'll get you there and and but, and of course, the thing that

(39:34):
will happen is is that, assumingyou get to that nine, you'll
say, oh, I'm not done, I justgot to keep on going.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's really a thing I'vetheorized about it that it's
probably it's got to be easierto learn, it's got to be easier
to understand away from hittinga golf ball, because you know,
for for me just, I would getdistracted by the golf ball and
then I would start becomingemotionally attached and then

(40:07):
you know all bets are off, it'sgoing to be, it's hard, it's
going to be hard.
You know, maybe some peoplecould do it.
I'm sure there's a lot ofpeople who have done it, who
have made significant andprofound changes on the range
yeah, let me give you the bestexample I can think of.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
So I'm doing the drills and I can know I'm.
There's a lot of people whohave done it, who have made
significant and profound changeson the range.
Yeah, let me give you the bestexample I can think of.
So I'm doing the drills and Ican know I've developed it.
I know I'm doing the drills alot better.
I can feel myself being betterand faster.
And then I go to the range andsay, okay, once a week I go to
the range at least to check itout and just see how this is.
And I guarantee you whathappens is the first.
You know, I get a little bitwarm out the first five or 10,
I'm like, yeah, that's exactlywhat I've been drilling on the

(40:44):
week and it's pretty good, I'mhitting the ball pretty good.
And then here's what happensthe golf ball is down there and
about the 11th ball or somethinglike that, I'm like, oh, I
could feel my pattern startingto occur on that swing and that
new feeling, which was so solidthat I've been working on all
week long.
Oh, it kind of faded away alittle bit.

(41:06):
And if I go a little bitfurther, by the time I get into
the bucket of balls a little bitfurther, you can feel your body
is trying to correlate.
Oh, okay, I'm still kind ofpulling up some of the old
habits, some of the new ones,and the new ones are starting to
fade out.
So that's the key, because whatthat's telling you is that your
body learned how to do thingsreally well and it lasted for

(41:30):
about 10 or 15 or 20 swings andthen, of course, it started to
fade back.
And see, this is the key whenyou're working on building in
your body a certain set ofmotion and patterns and things
like that, and you keep doing it, uh, consistently over time,
all of a sudden it startslasting an entire bucket of
balls.
Then all of a sudden startslasting like longer, then starts

(41:52):
lasting you know, a pass hole,number three on on the tee, and
the next thing you know is likeyou get on the back.
Now you're getting a littletired, it's a little hotter,
it's a little cold and all of asudden you make a swing.
You go dang it.
I just did that right.
Where'd that come from?
But the value of that came from,not from beating a bunch of
balls and looking at it andtrying to base it on what the

(42:14):
ball did.
It's based on your body havinga correct set of motions that
you can call upon so that, whenyou see what the ball did,
you've got a set of motions inyour body to say, okay, I need
to fire this a little bit more,I need to pressure that a little
bit more.
I know I didn't quite drop itin the slot quite the way that I
should have, but that becomeslike something you call up, a

(42:37):
feeling and just start doing it,as opposed to, oh, okay, I know
I should do this, but I don'tknow how to do that right now.
That's a huge difference, andso the drill basically gives you
an ability to build that foryourself to whatever extent you
can and want to.
This is not something that oneshould say, oh, but am I all

(42:59):
alone by this?
Because the best way to learnhow to do these things is to
also use the community, interactwith other people and other
students and say, hey, what areyou feeling?
Because, just like all of us,you know it's, you can learn,
learn some things by yourself,but some things are really
learned best when you've got acommunity of people who kind of
say, yeah, that was myexperience, or yeah, I felt that

(43:21):
way, or no.
I've been there and you knowwhat helped me.
And so you know there's more toit than just drills and modules
the community and theaccumulated knowledge of what 15
, some odd years of stuff, alldocumented on the internet.
You know you buy the modulesone time, you're a member for
life and you have access tothose modules forever.
And the community that is apart of it is, you know.

(43:44):
Whether you take advantage ornot, it's up to you, but you
know that kind of comes with it.
It's just something to reallytake advantage of.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's such an important thing.
You know I'm going to go aheadand challenge all the
instructors out there to developa community of your students
Because you know I just going onthe forums I learned a lot and
it really helped me when I wasgoing through some of my times

(44:10):
of doubt Because, you know, forme going through a process like
this, still continue to gothrough it.
But at least in the initial fewmonths it was really valuable
information for me to just say,okay, you know, so-and-so is,
you know, month four, mod twoand a half, maybe doing mod

(44:30):
three, and they still they'vehad these successes.
They're still, you know, mightbe struggling with this thing,
but the cool thing about it isis that everybody's ascending.
You know Everybody is going fortheir own personal North Star
and that vibration reallypermeates through it.
So it's very supportive andit's super cool.

(44:52):
And you're going to have and,plus, john and Brad are posting
on there all the time.
So you have the two JediMasters, as I call them, uh, uh
that that answer questions fromthe students that post all the
time.
So it really is uh, and youknow for for two, two
instructors of their caliber,for them to be on posting and

(45:16):
answering questions.
Uh, I don't know too many otherinstructors that do that, or if
I do, please forgive me, butit's a real powerful thing.
It makes it you know kind of acommunity, John, that I look at
as we're all in this thingtogether.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, and I do.
I want to say this to you knowwhere the genesis of all that
came from.
Check it out for yourself andjust listen to John Erickson and
Bradley Hughes' stories,because you know we say
something.
But both of those guys I meanyou'll find out from their
history.
These guys are top-leveltouring professional players,

(45:56):
top level touring professionalplayers.
And when John Erickson recountshis time on the Australian tour
and he's got Sandy Vile in frontof him, he's got Greg Norm
going on behind him and he'shearing gunshots going off as
they're hitting irons and he'slike looking back and forth and
going, what are these guys doing?
And then he starts to say so heasked an interesting question.
It's not like why does AdamScott's swing look so perfect?

(46:19):
It's actually that's great thatAdam can look so good while
he's doing it.
He's like why do people whohave swings like Sandy Lyle,
swings like Doug Sanders, swingslike Lee Trevino, swings like
Jim Furyk, swings like ScottySheffer, with you know all the

(46:41):
what's the?
What are they doing that does?
What's really important is whyare they such incredibly great,
consistent ball strikers?
And the question that so theseguys come from, that that
pedigree, what it is that theybasically distilled out for us
is something that we can allapproach in our own way.

(47:02):
So I think that's incrediblyuseful, because it's not that
Ben Hogan had this particularposition at the backswing.
It's like what was he doingthrough the entire sequence to
the swing.
Why is it that?
If you've ever watched BenHogan swing, look at it from
basically 45 degrees past theball all the way up to the top

(47:24):
and you'll notice that he doessomething very different than
almost everybody in terms ofwhere his body is in relation to
the club.
He's got this very interestinglook where it almost looks like
he's um.
He's like put, pulling the clubstraight up to the sky, and and
if you look very carefully,you'll notice that very other

(47:45):
few people have that look.
But that's perhaps had a lot todo with why his post-impact
pivot thrust is arguably amongthe best the world has ever seen
and why one of the techniquereason that he could strike the
ball the way that he did so.
When john erickson talks aboutthe fact that there's a lot of

(48:05):
people out there that say, hey,you know, I'd like to swing like
ben hogan did, um, these guysjohn erickson and bradley hughes
have really given us a way toreally look inside as to how to
really approach them the waythat I don't think anybody else
really has.
Why?
Because they approached it notfrom the physicians but from a

(48:26):
complete set of what's theinternal body pressures, what's
the sequences of motion,especially post-impact, what's
the equipment that they use.
That's another thing we getinto because I, you know, I got
a set of clubs that JohnErickson himself built.
I bought it from another ABSstudent who was passing them on.

(48:48):
I couldn't believe how heavyand flat these things were.
And let me tell you there's noway I can swing these things
except the way that John isteaching us how to do it.
And actually I found out thatif I use these clubs and I swing
it the way that John is askingus to do it, it's amazing how

(49:09):
golf takes on a whole differentdimension.
You don't see lightweight clubsanymore.
You don't see flat lies verymuch anymore.
You don't see stiff shafts,unless you're the kind of person
who's got just huge swing speed.
But the thing is, I'm 65 yearsold, I've got stiff shafts in my
Hogan 1969 blades.
Oh, that's the other fun thing.

(49:30):
A lot of these great clubs, youknow vintage clubs.
There's a lot of ABS.
People also happen to havefound out that a lot of the
great vintage clubs there's alot of ABS.
People also happen to havefound out that a lot of the
great vintage clubs over timewhether those are McGregor's
from the sixties or even thefifties, the, the Hogan's from
that era, the Hagan's, theWilson staffs, you name it it's
actually a lot of fun to learnto play the game the way that

(49:51):
people we grew up you knowplaying the same equipment and
learning what they were doing tohit the ball.
And it's also fun as heck to gowalk out with your other buddies
who you know got their brandnew you know Taylor made
whatever really expensive stuffand you hand them your you know
19, 60, 69 bounce sole Hoganblades and then you ask them to
try to hit it.

(50:11):
It's a lot of fun.
But that's what I play with.
My gamers are some leather grip1960.
What is it?
Probably 69 or 70 Hogan bouncesoles that John Erickson had
built and you have to swing, useyour body in a different way to

(50:31):
swing a club like that.
The result is that you actuallyhave a different and better
approach to hitting a golf ballIf you want to.
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, it is a lot of fun.
It's what's even more fun ishitting the ball better than you
possibly could have imagined.
Yes, that's the real fun partand that's what we're getting to
.
You.
All who are listening to thispodcast have heard me kind of

(51:04):
you know, sing, sing from thefences, advanced ball striking
many a time.
The the equipment side.
This is what what really blewme away Entering into this
community.
Okay, so we're going to teachyou how to swing the club
properly from the inside out andon top of that, we're going to

(51:28):
give you a set of instrumentsthat is going to help you do
that.
In fact, the instruments thatwe are going to recommend are
going to force you to do that,because you know you mentioned
some swing thoughts earlier, orfaults, excuse me, about over
accelerating.
You know getting the club toosteep, all of the you know isms

(51:51):
that we do.
It's you're going to.
You're going to have a hardtime.
You can't.
You literally are going to betrapped by the way these golf
clubs that we recommend to youare set up.
You're going to be trapped andforced into making good golf
swings, and that's the one thingI didn't realize.
On the equipment side, john iscoming into this and I have a

(52:12):
really great friend of minewho's a longtime one of the
equipment leaders for TaylorMade, george Willett, and he talked
about this a lot.
I remember, you know, a decadeago, prior to me getting an
advanced ball strike, and hesuggests he said you're going to
swing the golf club.
You're going to swing the golfclub according to how the golf

(52:33):
club is set up, whether you'reaware of it or not.
Let me repeat that again You'regoing to swing the golf club
how the golf club is set up,whether you're aware of it or
not.
So when I comprehended that, Ithought to myself wow, that

(52:56):
makes a lot of sense.
Duh, it's common sense.
The answer to the riddle hasbeen in front of me the whole
entire time.
And then you start to buildinto these eternal pressures.
You learn how to come into theimpact area, you learn how to
hit the golf ball with energiesdirected to hitting the golf

(53:16):
ball and beyond, directed tohitting the golf ball and beyond
.
And we're going to give yousome clubs that are going to
force you to do that.
You know that blew me away.
That absolutely blew me away.
So I like to tell this story.
So I purchased the drills fromBradley first, so I actually met

(53:40):
Bradley first and we're pals tothis day.
I said so, do you want me tobend my clubs three flat?
In an email and he just wroteback.
You know he's Australian, hedoes, he doesn't.
He doesn't say much, but hejust says yes.
That was it.
So I missed the part, though,where he had mentioned in the

(54:00):
previous email Bend the clubsthree front, three flat from
where they are.
My clubs were two degreesupright, so I didn't get that
part.
So I went three flat right outof the gate.
That's five degrees ofdifference.
So the first two weeks ofhitting these golf clubs, they

(54:21):
were just, I was just yellingfor right.
They were going wide rightevery time.
But, but curiously, after acouple of weeks I started to, I
started to flush them, and thenthey started looking better like
aesthetically to my eye, and Ithought to myself this is, we're

(54:41):
on to something here.
This is very powerful.
Okay, this is very, verypowerful.
And then doing drill one, drilltwo, drill three, while going
out and playing golf with clubsthat were five degrees flatter
than what I was fitted for.
Five degrees, that's a lot.
That's a lot, I mean a degreeis a make or break in most cases

(55:05):
.
So I went out and played myfirst golf tournament after
doing about five months of veryintense drill work every day.
I started during COVID, so I hadall the time in the world.
It was great.
What a perfect time.
No offense, I'm not meaning anydisrespect by being insensitive

(55:27):
toward what was going on inthat time in our planet,
unfortunately, but I tookadvantage of it the best way I
could by passing the time doingthe drill work and what happened
, combined with setting theequipment up.
Specifically, what happened tome was I went out and played my

(55:49):
first golf tournament in 10years, a completely different
golfer.
I was completely different andI didn't even know it Because I
wasn't going out and beatingballs.
During this process, I wasbeating the ever-loving Jesus
bejesus to death of this impactbag.
I went through two impact bagsin those first six months

(56:12):
Because I beat him so bad.
I so, basically, what happenedwas I went out and I played golf
in this golf tournament, whereI was hitting golf shots without
the left brain, analytical partof the mind that wouldn't be

(56:37):
necessarily even be more born byspending six months banging 500
balls a day on the range.
So I went into my right brain,creative slash, present moment
playing in this golf tournamentwithout any swing thoughts for
the first time in my life and Ididn't even realize it.

(57:02):
So I was able to just go out andplay golf and be free and just,
I mean, it was really arevelation to me what unfolded
just from those two days.
It really really was, andthat's a common theme amongst
the community, those who aspireto play competitive golf that

(57:23):
they go out and they play golfand they find that they don't
really have any swing thoughts.
But there's noticeablekinesthetic feelings that are
happening throughout.
So, for example, I've talked toa couple of members of the
community that said, yeah, if Iwanted to flight the ball low, I
would maybe put more pressurein my feet or maybe I would feel

(57:44):
a little bit more pressure, youknow, somewhere else in their
body to trigger all of themyelinated drill work that they
had done.
And it shows up.
So it actually I've talked toJohn about this too but it
bypasses the left brainanalytical conscious, where

(58:05):
whether and and.
It goes straight from uh, we'regiving a command via
kinesthetics.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Um, which is where it needs to be anywhere,
especially under pressure ahundred percent.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
A percent, so it doesn't interfere with the mind
body connection.
It's, it's almost, it's adifferent communicative level.
It's hard, it's hard for me toexplain it.
I hopefully I've done a goodjob of explaining it.
I mean, john, you know, becauseyou've trained those internal
pressures, but it's, it's hardfor the listener that hasn't

(58:42):
trained those internal pressuresto understand it, because
you've literally got to getinside and do it and then you
understand.
But the manifestation on thegolf course which, quite frankly
, somewhere along the way golfin the US primarily has lost
their way.
We stopped playing golf, westarted playing golf swing.

(59:03):
What, 20 years ago or whateverthat you know, this golf
instructional boom happened, youknow.
And to add to that, you know,in the early days of the Hogans,
of the Bobby Joneses, of theSam Sneeds, you didn't have this
technology, they had to figureit out.
You didn't have this technology, they had to figure it out,

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they had to figure it out.
But what's interesting is thatthe equipment back then was
shorter, heavier and a hell of alot flatter than the standard
equipment now.
So, going back to what we'vebeen talking about over the last
five minutes, is you're goingto swing, to how your golf clubs
are set up.
So if you have golf clubs thatare set up long, light and

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upright, there's going to be tohow your golf clubs are set up.
So if you have golf clubs thatare set up long, light and
upright, there's going to beconsequences for that.
If you have them set up our way, which is flat and my friends
call my flat, like flat is youknow what?
I can't believe.
You play clubs that are thatflat and that heavy.
But then you know, there I am,you know, collecting money from
them yeah, and then you say oh,by the way, exactly you know

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it's, but you're it's.
It's not a surprise that thegreats that we've, that we that
we've talked about, that wedeify in this process, the
hogans, the nelson's, the sneedsthat you know, all of these
great characters all the way upinto the Scotty Shufflers Now

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they swung to how their clubswere set up.
Yeah, and they figured out waysto do that.
John has extrapolated thoseways and put them into a very
communicative, easy way tounderstand.
And not only that, we actuallyhave the blueprint to do it.

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And that still blows me away,john.
I mean, it really does it stillblows me away.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
And you know what too ?
It's also a lot of fun becauseI certainly could see where you
know.
You can just really study thegolf swing forever, especially
with today's technology.
But at some point you've got toget there, try to open it up in
a different direction, and partof this is exactly what ABS did
for me, and part of the this isexactly what ABS did for me.

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What it opened up is somethings because for the first
time in my life, I understand oh, this is how you hit a long
iron.
And yes, nowadays a long ironis like a driving iron, but
still it's like how?
How in the heck did thesepeople ever hit these butter
knives down there?
And this this is part of whatABS gave me is because I had a

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different set of ways ofswinging a golf club and I can
actually hit long irons.
I mean, I don't hit them likeJack Nicklaus does, but
basically I know how to hit along iron.
It blows me away that at my ageI pull a three iron.
A lot People are like what areyou hitting?
I show them three iron andpeople are like what are you
hitting?

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And I show them three iron,they're like what's that?
But this whole thing about kindof appreciating not only how to
do it in your own golf swingbut understanding the bigger
picture about how does the bodywork, what were the great
players doing in the past,what's the effect on the

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equipment All these things startto come, and it doesn't mean to
say that your brand new set ofTaylor Mades or Callaways you
just bought are still absolutelyperfectly fine.
But if you're going to learn toteach yourself to swing a
certain way, abs will teach youhow to do that and you can
always modify clubs or get clubsset up later on that you need

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to.
The reason that we just havesome of the older vintage clubs
is because, frankly, it's a loteasier to bend older Forge
Classic clubs and get them setup the way they did.
And here's the other thingPeople say everybody wants to
swing like ben hogan or pretendthat they can't.
But part of the issue is partof the reason that ben hogan

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swung the way that he did, isbecause he had a heavy flat
clubs that were uh set up thatway because that's the way that
they needed to be set up for himto be swinging the way that he
did.
But it also goes the other way.
If you try to do what ben hogandid but you're doing it with a
lightweight, upright, uh,flexible, graphite shafted irons

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, it'll never, it'll never work.
It's, it's.
It'll be like a big, strong mantrying to play with a very
flexible, um, senior clubs andthen always wondering why he
can't ever, you know, uh,straighten the ball out.
Because the equipment is verymuch interlocked with the way
that you swing, which is verymuch interlocked with how you do
it, which is also beautifullyinterlocked with the way that

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game is put together, thehistory of the game, all the
different things that make thisgame great.
So ABS was kind of a doorwayfor me into all of those things
I never would have gotten intovintage clubs and my wife was
just like you know, john, youdon't need all those golf clubs,
let me tell you.
It's actually pretty fun to usethe same clubs that some of

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these people use and be able tohit them well, and it's amazing
how beautiful my favorite setgoes to set.
A 1958 Hogan Starburst.
Fifty eight is a year olderthan I am and they are some of
the sweetest feeling clubs youever felt in your life.
And those leather grips in theFlorida, Florida heat, man, I

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tell you you'll never slip In aFlorida afternoon.
You just wear your hands, youdon't need a glove.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Right, yeah, it's really a one-stop shop for
everything and it just, you knowit blows me away.
I mean I still laugh, you know.
So, getting back to theequipment side, you know I'm
using the modern equipment.
I've got a set.
I've got a couple sets ofvintage blades too.
I've got some vintage McGregors.
I've got a set.
I've got a couple sets ofvintage blades too.

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I got some vintage mcgregorsand I have my old apex pcs,
hogan apex pcs, with the uh,with the, with the apex four
shaft.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
that's a great shot by the way, they're great clubs
I know they're I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
It was so funny because I remember people used
to say, oh my god, those thingswere so hard to hit.
But once you got used to themthey weren't hard to hit because
they taught you to swing, swinga little bit better, a little
bit more precise.
But, um, you know, my, myequipment today is modern.
I mean, I'm using the strixonzx7 irons they're great, by the

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way, um, and I've got them justset up and bent according to how
I want to swing each golf club.
And you know, for those who arelistening for the first time,
this isn't something that'sunusual amongst the community,
because, what I'm going to say,because we're hitting these

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clubs better, we're just hittingthem better the way that we
have them set up.
So my clubs are, my forearms onedegree flat.
Okay, so I'm 6'2, withalligator arms I mean not
alligator longs, I've got likesuper long arms.
So I'm 6'2 and I play standardlength.

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My forearm is one degree flat.
My five and six irons are twodegrees flat.
My seven, eight, nine wedge arefour degree flat.
My five and six irons are twodegrees flat.
My seven, eight, nine wedgefour degrees flat.
Gap wedge three, sand wedge two, l wedge one.
So you know when I say that andI have been progressive light,

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from light to heavy, so butwhat's it?
But what's interesting is myhands.
It's I guess I'm gonna try toexplain it my hands are telling
me what feels good because I'vetrained them doing the drills.
So it's almost like myneuroreceptors of my hands are

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lighting up a little bit more.
And here we go back to thisnon-conscious communication
that's prevalent in thecommunity.
But what's interesting is whenI look back and research some of
how the other people had theirequipment.
They're fairly similar wherethe long errands were a little
bit lighter, a little bit moreupright, due to shaft droop and

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and however you, you know,basically assuming that you're
using a steel shaft, but thenthey would progressively get
flatter and then, and then ofcourse you want to know, you
want to favor a, a, a miss.
So you know we don't.
If you're a right-handed golfer, there's a lot of trouble on
the left.
Most greens today are slopedfrom back to front.

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Most, not all, but most are forback to front, basically for
drainage purposes.
But if you're using a clubthat's longer and lighter and a
little bit more upright, goodchance that you're going to miss
it left, and that's where thetrouble is.
So effectively we set our clubsup flatter, not only to come
into the entry a little bit moreshallow, but also to eliminate

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one side of the golf course orat least minimize the damage.
And that's something that hasn'treally been talked about a lot
in modern instruction.
I haven't really found that.
You know the equipment guys, Iknow talk about it, but that's

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one thing that was reallyawakened me joining this
community Like whoa, okay, soeverything is absolutely married
together.
So you're really demystifyingand seeing through the modern
rhetoric of oh, you know, hitthis further or you can hit this

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further, I heard one equipmentmanufacturer representative say
on a fitting day at my clubsaying well, you want to
maximize your swing speed, soyou want to hit as light a club
as you can handle.
And I was thinking to myself man, I am so glad that I am

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educated and I can see throughthis BS, because if I wasn't
educated via advanced ballstriking, I may have believed
him and go oh okay, well, thatmakes sense.
You know that makes sense.
Well, I can swing a wiffle ballbat pretty quickly.
Maybe that would translate onthe golf course.
Who doesn't want to hit itfurther.

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You know, golf course, whodoesn't want to hit it further,
who you know really who doesn'twant to hit further.
But that's what's beingperpetuated now and, thankfully,
because of the education piecewithin the community, you start
to see through it and you know,I'm not not saying, john, and
I'm sure that you would agreewith this I'm not saying that we

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have the, the, the keys, in allof the answers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Of course, we're just really bringing out something
that's really beautiful and itunderpins and unifies a lot of
things, regardless of theteacher and methodology of your
choice, they're already on.
This just makes it better.
You know, that was actually oneof my other and that's a valid
point, you know.
So, lynn blake, of course, uh,one of the uh, you know his
nickname is yoda is one of thethe best, uh, uh, the golfing

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machine.
Uh, knowledgeable instructors onthe planet and probably one of
the best that ever will live, uh, but but I always, uh, I
thought to I'm starting to downthis path, what's this going to
do to my studies?
And all of a sudden, I startedto realize that ABS opened up
for me a whole set of additionaltools to achieve the positions

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and the things that Lynn wascoaching me to do.
But these are ways to achievethem that had never even been
brought up.
I mean to give you a specificthe golfing machine talks about
you want to hold lag.
You want to hold lag pressureon pressure point number three,
which is your little finger,which your right-handed golfer
is.
It's coming through this way.
You want to feel pressure allthe way through, all the way

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through past the ball.
And then, and of course those ofyou who know the golfing
machine, homer Kelly would saywell, mr Kelly, how do you
achieve that?
And he says I don't care, dowhatever you need to do to
achieve that.
That's where he left it andthat's where most golf
instruction they say okay, youwant to do this, but what you're
kind of, what ABS to me givesyou, is a very powerful set of

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unifying things underneath it.
So, whatever is the methodologyof your choice, you can
strengthen it.
You have additional tools toachieve that and you'll start to
find, honestly, that I thinkthat your instructors were right
all along.
But you have a new set of toolsto be able to achieve those
particular things and you don'thave to, you know, leave the

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community in or the tribe thatyou're in or anything like that.
What you basically got is awhole additional set of tools
and the proof is in the puddingis that when you start missing
the ball uh, straighter than youever have in your life uh, then
that then you know something isreally going going good, your
good shots will stay as good asthey are, but when you start

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missing the ball veryconsistently in safe places,
you're like something differentis going on.
And then it leaks into otherparts of your game because you
say, oh well, if I got some ofthese body tensions and
pressures, I do this.
Well, how would this translateinto my short games?
I mean, my pitching becomes alittle bit better body
rotationally.
Do I have better kinestheticsense of what's going on?
Yes, because stop and thinkabout it.

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So this starts to provide abridge, because it does give you
the ability to start to buildrequisite strengths and
kinesthetic senses.
That only comes throughrepetition, only comes through

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you.
Having invested the time whereyour body senses start to turn
on, you say, oh well, that means, if they're asking me to do
this, that would mean that Ineed to be implementing these
kinds of things in my body toachieve that.
And all of a sudden you startto create what great players do.
You just.
You know, great teachers willtell a player to do something
different and they'll just do it.
Well, we're not like that.
But it gives us the ability toapproach our own version of it,
because the drilling isstep-by-step.

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Keep doing repetitions and allof a sudden you go oh, I'm
better today than I wasyesterday, I'm better than I was
last, last week.
I'm at the range and I'mholding these fundamentals
longer than I used to.
And all of a sudden, a year anda half or two years down the
road, and you, you, you turnaround and you're like what just
happened to my scorecard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
That's so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yeah, it's cool.
It's like the coolest thingever, because there's so many
people within the ABS communityand I'm also including Brad and
Bradley students and I've had afew of them on the pod and
they're all saying the samethings they wanted to get to,
they had an idea of a level thatthey wanted to get to and they

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never could get there until theyfound the methodology.
And then they got there andwhen they did, it was really
transformative, like super.

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It's just.
It's really hard to put some ofthese principles into words.
Until you actually start to gothrough the process and you know
those who are listening, whoare in a process, who have gone
through a process you don't knowthat it's a it's.
It's a very consistent thing.
It's like anything else.
It's if you want to get yourbody strong and healthy, you go
to the gym and you can't just goonce every now and again To

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really see the changes.
You have to give yourselfconsistency.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
You know, I really love what you said earlier in
the conversation, john, aboutdoing these same repetitions
over and over and over again,sometimes months, even years,
and you're discovering somethingnew All the time, and that's
the part that blows me awaybecause I couldn't agree with

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you more Right, because youbuilt up a foundation on the
previous and all of a suddenyour body can recognize
something new because it has theprevious foundation upon which
to base it, and it could neverhave felt that previously
because it didn't have thefoundation to have gotten there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Right, right so yeah that just blows me away.
Um, john, I gotta tell you, uh,you and I could talk all night,
yeah, and what we can.
We could definitely do it again.
But uh, you know, I I'm gonnaencourage everybody who listens
to this to go on toadvancedballstrikingcom, because

(01:16:41):
you're going to read guys likejohn his story yeah, I mean your
story.
You're john right forum.
I think it'sforumadvancedballstrikingcom, to
be be clear completely openlots of, lots of stuff, just
just go on there, like I tell myfriends, just go poke check it
out.

(01:17:02):
Yeah, just see for yourselfmaybe it's for you, maybe it's
not exactly just go and check itout, um, because there may be
some answers.
I found a lot of answers onthose forums to questions I've
always had.
Yeah, which just you know I've,I've gone, I've gone on my

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forum just deep dive, just abunch, a bunch, and there's a
lot of the check out the bebetter golf, be better golf Did
a nice set last summer or so onJohn Erickson.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
That's really good.
Go out and just check those outand you know, see John Erickson
for yourself.
Who's who's the person, get toknow him and you can see Bradley
I happen to have just John isthe one that I've had the
interaction with but get to knowthe individual.
Like all of these messages,there's the words, there's the
message, but then there's alsothe individual that it comes

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from.
And when you know theindividual and you feel the
honesty, the humility and alsothe intensely humble, insightful
genius that how did he come upwith these things?
Right, and like all things,like Einstein said, I mean, if

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you want to really understandsomething really well and
explain it to something else,you have really understand
something really well andexplain it something else.
You have to know it really wellto make it appear simple.
Yeah, and it it is simple, withmany, many layers underneath it
and it's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
So check it out, yep I agree, john, I can't thank you
enough for coming on.
I can talk advanced ballstriking all day, um, and, and
and I hope that this reaches umsomebody out there, and it
because it's going to changeyour golfing life, that's for
sure yeah, hey, by the way, youknow, when you go on a

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forumlessons uh I think on aforumadvancedballstrikingcom,
you can join for free and becomea member uh, I mean for free.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
That just gives you the ability to just reply to
posts and message other membersand things like that, and use
that as a vehicle.
If you think that sounds right,you can find me there.
I mean John Singh, that's myname, and you'll find me there
and you'll see what my golfswing.
Look at my golf swing and yousay I don't want to do what that
guy's doing.
That's okay, fine, but if youdo see something that you like

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message us, just reach out andsay private message hey you know
, I got a question about thisand I'd be happy to do things
like that Awesome.
Yep, yep, Thanks for listeningeveryone, and John, thanks for
coming on.
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me, JesseCheers.