Unlocking Revolutionary Golf Techniques: Bradley Hughes on the 430 Path, Ground Force, and Equipment Impact on Your Swing

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman of the Flag Hunters
Golf Podcast, welcoming you toanother great conversation this
week.
This week we have the man, themyth, the legend, former PGA
Tour player, two-time AustralianMasters champion, played in the
inaugural President's Cup.
His partner, notably that week,was Nick Price, when Nick Price

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was number one in the world.
That week was Nick Price whenNick Price was number one in the
world, arguably Bradley wasprobably playing some of the
best golf in the world leadinginto that event at that time.
But if I haven't tipped the capalready, it's or my hand excuse
me it's Bradley Hughes.
Brad Hughes originally is fromAustralia, lives in South

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Carolina and now teaches at theHawley Tree Country Club.
And a great instructor to theworld's best, both men and women
, and a lot of great amateurs,and he could certainly teach you
how to swing the golf club muchbetter than you thought
possible.
In this discussion we talkabout the drill series.

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The drill series originatedwith Brad and a man by the name
of John Erickson, and those whoare longtime listeners of the
podcast know that I am a memberof the ABS community, advanced
Ball Striking and it hasrevolutionized my game and
changed my game after the age of50 for the better.

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It's notable for me to say, andI'm sure a lot of people in the
community in the advanced ballstrike community can honestly
say that they've never playedthe level of golf that they're
currently playing right now.
As long as they adhere to theinformation and work the steps,
work the drills.
And it's hard for me to putinto words, but when you listen

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to Bradley speak, I'm sure thatthere's going to be a lot of
resonance there, because what hehas to say makes sense.
It's based on common sense.
The methodology is based on thegreats and what John and Brad
have done have taken what thegreats have done and narrowed

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them down into tangible actions.
You may not swing like a SergioGarcia or a Nick Price or a
Nick Faldo, but it's entirelypossible to have the same
dynamics that they have, henceexploding your game beyond what
you could possibly imagine.

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So sit back, relax, enjoy thisepisode.
I always love talking to Brad.
I'm a huge fan.
I'm grateful to call him afriend and somebody that I ask
advice for quite a bit.
He's helped me with my gamemore than I could possibly
imagine, so I will make sure tohave all his contact information

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.
He's got a phenomenal,members-only website that I'm
going to highly encourageeverybody to check out.
So, without further ado, enjoythis conversation and I'm sure
it will find you very, very well.
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enjoy the episode.
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need to bs with me or get a holdof me, my, make it a fantastic

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week.
Hello, this is Jesse Perryman.
Thank you for tuning into theFlag Hunters Golf Podcast.
I have one of my main anddirect influences in this game,
deeply influenced by this man.
The regular listener knows whohe is.
His teaching has really helpedto shape how we learn how to

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create a golf swing and how wego out and play.
His name is Bradley Hughes.
He's a friend of mine.
I respect everything that hesays and I would encourage you,
by the end of this, to reach outto him and check out his
website because you're going toget a lot.
You're going to get a lot ofinformation, and a lot of really
proven information that hasbeen tried and tested throughout

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all the great tours in theworld.
Bradley, thanks for coming on,pal always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Always a pleasure, jesse, love it, love talking to
you, so we're gonna get at it,we?
I'm not sure how long ago itwas, maybe at least a year ago,
before our previous one.
So, yeah, let's crank out itand give out some more great
info.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Get everyone better, absolutely I'm excited about
this, brad, you know I I think.
Uh, before we get into thedrills, I wanted to ask you this
, while it's on my mind, and thetwo parts first thing is that
the drills work, but but what'sinteresting in my own game and
what's manifested, is that whenI play golf it is almost

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impossible for me to think aboutmy golf swing.
I literally don't have swingthoughts ever since I started
doing the drills.
And I kind of have a theory andI wanted to get your two cents
on it that when you're doing thedrills we use an impact bag, we
use a board to help build ourpressures.

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There's a distinct differencebetween working on the movements
versus hitting a golf ball andseeing either positive or
negative results.
And for me it's exponentiatedmy learning, like I was able to
revolutionize my golf swing insix months and I think if I
would have do it banging ballsand whatnot it would have taken

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a lot longer and the processwould have been a lot more
frustrating.
So do you think that by doingthe drills, it kind of re how
can I word this You're focusedon doing the movements,
movements, and then when you geton the golf course, it's almost
impossible to have a swingthought, so I don't know if any
of that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
There's a hundred percent makes sense so you know,
I I often use this for anexample when I'm out doing a
lesson with someone on the rangeor so forth, and I'll say to
them, let's pick up that balland throw it over there towards
the golf cart or towards the bin, and they'll say to them, let's
pick up that ball and throw itover there towards the golf cart
or towards the bin, and they'llhit it or come really close to
it and I go, what did you thinkof?

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And they went well, nothing.
I just looked at the bin and Ikind of trusted my instincts and
my form was there and I I'velearned how to throw it.
You know, from a young age youlearn how to do some type of
motion.
But the difficulty with golf iswell, there's several
difficulties.
One, the golf course is neverthe same.

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So you play a different courseall the time and that may mean,
even if you're playing at yourown home course, sometimes the
tees are in a different spot,the wind is a different spot,
you're on the left side of thefairway as opposed to the right
side of the fairway, so you'vegot kind of different lies.
So there is no real sequence ofevents that you can strictly

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adhere to playing on a golfcourse, because no two shots are
the same.
So you have to becomeultimately the idea of playing a
good golf game and you'll hearthis on tv.
Let's you know you.
They'll interview one of thepros at the end of the round.
He's just shot seven or eightunder and they go.
Well, uh, ernie, you know, thatwas pretty easy.

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What'd you think?
How are you going?
And he goes uh, I don't knownothing.
Like they're not, they're notinvested in how they're doing it
.
They're just in a basic rhythmof making a swing, letting the
ball get in the way and tryingto hit it where they want to hit
it.
So people overanalyze too muchand they especially overanalyze,

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you know, if you think of apractice swing is really.
You know, I tell a lot ofpeople when I'm working with
them now, let's do the practiceswing, here's our focus on.
A practice swing is really.
You know, I tell a lot ofpeople when I'm working on now,
let's do the practice swinghere's.
Here's our focus on thepractice swing.
We might do a short and we'lltalk about the drills.
Some people that don't know.
We'll talk about them later,but we might do a short practice
start from the 430 and swingthrough to the finish with a you

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know an accelerating pivot tothe end.
Or we might do a bit of drillfive, where we need to feel that
the right shoulder go externalbecause of the arm rotation,
that the shaft stays behind us.
So we're just going to push ourfeet.
What we're going to do is we'regoing to liberate ourselves
into doing that in the practiceswing, and when you stand over
the ball you just trust thatthat swing is going to work.

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So then you don't think of theswing.
It's very hard to think of theswing.
Well, maybe Shaquille O'Nealused to think about what he had
to do at three throws because hewas awful at them.
But if you watch a lot of thebasketballs, they have a routine
and they just shoot.
They're not thinking of I'vegot to put my elbow here and
I've got to have my palm at 45degrees and I've got to flick my

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wrist at the end and snap it.
And they're not really thinkingof that.
They're just executing a motionthat has they've basically
worked on and worked on andworked on until it becomes a
habit.
And, like I said, that's hardwith golf because no two lies
are kind of similar, unlessyou're on the range.
But the other thing about golfthat makes it quite difficult in

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this kind of technologicalworld is that there is so much
shit that gets in people's headsthat they watch something, they
go oh god, that looks good, andthen it could be to the total
detriment of what they reallyneed to do or trying to do, so
they're.
They're basically just droppinga spanner in the engine and
turning the key on and hopingthat spanner doesn't catch

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something and mess them up.
So it's a hard world, you know.
I think growing up, and if youthink you know players long
before me, if you ask peoplewho's got the best swings in the
history of golf, you're goingto have Hogan and you're going
to have Snead and you know,maybe Trevino as a ball striker,
maybe not as a swing.
But a lot of the great swingsthat people revere were built in

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the past when there were nocameras and there were no
nothing.
It was trial and error, it wasfeel and pressure and force and
with ball reaction, to see whatthe ball did.
And then they learnt well, whatdid I feel?
Actually, I felt this or I didthat, and then they started
going about recreating that.
So that's kind of what thedrills are.

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Myself and John put a lot oftime and effort into working out
and I wouldn't call it a system, I would just call it a
learning tool of how the swingshould function, based on, you
know, kind of what the mostelite ball strikers did.
And, as we always say, youcan't build a swing in one fell

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swoop.
You know people are looking forthat one magic potion, which
really doesn't exist.
You know it may work for a weekor two or maybe a day or two,
but every alteration you make toyour swing this is where the
drills get very interestingEvery alteration that you make
to the swing has a bearing or aneffect on some other part of

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the swing.
Now that could show up a daylater, the back nine or a week
later, but it's going to show upand then you have to attack
that new aspect because that'snow changed based on the
original intention of what youdid.
So that's what the drills takecare of.
Myself and John have reallyworked out.
We know if you do this in drillone, drill three is going to be

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the opposite effect to it andit's all going to tie up.
It's all going to work togetherand you just keep getting
better and better at repetitionso your body can deal with the
force of the club.
It's not even the look of itreally.
A lot of great players justdon't really have a good look
and swing.
But if you look at the correctparts let's say, from 430 spot,

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hip-high entry at least, tohip-high exit and then maybe the
finish they're all very similarand that's the important part
of the swing.
But you know a lot of golfinstruction.
Where I think people go wrongand I've had several arguments
with people about this onlinejust because one I don't believe

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in it and two everyone seems tois that you everyone gets
taught a backswing.
But if you look in the hall offame there's a hundred different
backswings that were reallygood players, so you can throw
the backswing out as afundamental.
I mean, there is an obvious waythat it has to work or should
work, but that's really based oneach individual.

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It's not.
There's no set pattern to.
You have to be on play in here,or you have to have a flat left
wrist, or you have to have abowed left wrist, or you have to
have the arm you know close toyou, your right arm close to
your side, you've got to bepointing the club at the target,
because for every four peoplethat you tell some that they
have to do that, I can show you10 that don't do it.

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So the method of the way that weteach is the most important
part of golf is impact.
So if you know how to get toimpact, then you stand a chance,
and that what it means is itdoesn't matter where you go, as
long as you know where you'recoming from.
You can kind of go in severaldifferent places to get there,
and I'll show that on doing alesson with someone, because I

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always get that you know.
What should my backswing do?
What should my backswing do?
I go, well, let's not worryabout that, and I know that
sounds really strange to peopleand I know I've had many
arguments over the years or gotcrazy emails and stuff online
from people like how can you notcare about it?
I go, well, I do care about it,but there is no set backswing.

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It's it's going to be a littlebit different for every person
and the reason being is we allsee things differently.
Someone's right eye dominant,someone's left eye dominant,
someone you know, right eyedominant may play from more of a
shut stance.
A left-eyed dominant may playfrom more of an open stance and
that's all going to dictate theway the club goes away and where
it points.

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So you know there's so manyvariables of the swing that, if
we could pardon me, eliminate alot of the concerns about that
and put the concern closer toimpact and beyond.
Golf then becomes a target gamerather than a golf swing game,
because every other sport, likewe talked about before, if

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you're throwing a ball, you'relooking at glove on the first
baseman.
If you're shooting a hoop,you're looking at the rim.
If you're playing snooker,you're looking at glove on the
first baseman.
If you're shooting a hoop,you're looking at the rim.
If you're playing snooker,you're looking at the ball.
So you are not paying attentionto what you're really doing.
On the first half of the actionYou're reacting to a target.
So really golf and people hateit when I say it, but golf

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becomes really simple and easywhen you understand that.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, it certainly did for me.
You know, being a student ofyours and John's, the one
question that I get when itcomes to everything with us what
we're talking about right nowwithin the, within the halls of
advanced ball striking, is thenumber one question is what is
430?

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What is the 430 path?
How does that correlate to thegreats?
And then let's go right intodrill one how we start to train
that into our nervous system andthe positive effects that it
has, not only coming into thestrike, also beyond the strike.
We're starting from impactdrill one and the 430.
Correct, so the 430 path.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
The way John and I go about it is, you know,
obviously I'm going to standbehind you.
I don't do a lot of filming.
When I do lessons I might filmtwo swings, one from behind or
down the line, one from face onor caddy view, and I have them
as reference and then I kind ofshow the people.
Here's what we see, here's howwe're going to fix it.
Let's do this drill and we'llcompare the two.

(16:51):
So when you're watching someoneor you're doing a lesson, you
are viewing it from your vantagepoint.
But the golfer needs tounderstand it from their vantage
point, because when they'relooking down at a ball, they're
not looking back at me, they'renot watching the club behind
them, they're looking downwards.
So they have to, they have tovisually see where the club is

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coming from from theirperspective.
So the way to understand 430 isif you're a golfer and you're
looking down at the ball, we'retalking bird's eye view.
Let's call the ball the golfball, that's on the ground and
in front of you, the middle of aclock, and then your feet would
be at 6 o'clock because you arelower than the middle of the

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ball.
So 12 o'clock would be, youknow, an extension out the
opposite direction.
Three o'clock would be thetarget line, so the club to hit
the ball straight and this iswhere it's very difficult for a
beginner to hit the ballstraight the shaft actually has
to line up at 4.30 to make theball go in the direction of you

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know, left of you, at nineo'clock.
Because if you get the club outto three o'clock path which
would in essence be steep somepeople would call it on plane,
but to me it's steep you're notjust going to stop your body and
try and hit the ball with yourhands, your body's going to try
and move at the same time asthat is happening.

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So what really happens is whenyou see a novice golfer, a new
golfer based on other sports.
They know they want to try andhit the back of the ball, but
what they do is they startseeing the back of the ball from
the top of their backswing, sothey start heading out towards
the ball.
They get the club out to threeo'clock but as their arms
release, hips start to open, theshoulders start to turn left

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side balls, their feet transfermore.
They actually hit the ball ifthe ball was a clock also,
instead of hitting the ballaround 3 o'clock.
They hit it at 1 o'clock, sothey're just basically pulling
across the ball with a big slice.
Action on the ball Now, wherethe face points, you know, is
going to dictate what that balldoes.
It could start left and cutback, it could just go straight

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left or it could start right andcut or it could.
You know, there's a number ofthings, and I'm not trying to be
funny when I do this withpeople, but you know I'll watch
some people hit a few balls andthey'll go slice and pull and
snap, hook and top and thenthey'll hit a great one.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
They go see, I can do it.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Why can't I do that all the time?
And I don't mean to be rudewhen I say it to them, but I
just say well, that was actuallypot luck.
You're not going to do that allthe time.
It was an actual.
All the other crap is what youshould do.
That's more reasonable based onyour swing, because the physics
of your swing, all you're doingis making alterations in an

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attempt to hit a ball straight,and half the time, or more than
half, that's not going to work.
So let's learn how it reallyworks.
So the 4.30 path from thegolfer's view, as we talked
about, would be the shaft isaligned to 4.30 on a clock.
If there was a clock sittingdown on the ground, a sundial,

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you could see where 4.30 was andyou had a shadow of the shaft
there.
That's kind of what you want tosee and you can kind of see
that out the corner of your eye.
So you can see that obviouslythings are moving quickly, but
you can see a shaft lined up tothat point.
So what happens to make thathappen is you need to have your
arms rotated clockwise, becausewhat that does is it keeps the
shaft behind you as soon as youlose arm rotation and I'm

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showing it on the screen here,which you probably won't see.
But as soon as you start tolose arm rotation, immediately
the shaft pitches steep.
It comes out the other way.
That's for.
You know, it's not for everyone.
That's kind of a poor golfer.
A good golfer may lose armrotation and realize, hey, I
don't want to come over the topof it.

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So what they'll do is they'lldrop their hands behind their
hips and the club will getreally low and then they'll like
sling it out of there with abig push hook or a block type
thing.
So there's different variablesto it.
But you've got to understandthe 430.
As long as you've got enoughshoulder turn or torso rotation,
that's sharp.
So let's say you want to hitthe ball to second base.

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If we use baseball's analogy,your shoulders at 430, you're
going to feel like they're aimedat first base and that gives
you the avenue to put the armsnot behind your body but in
front of your body.
So if I was already square tothe target and I tried to put my
hands behind me now, I'm stuck,what people would call be stuck

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.
If I have body closure and myarms are in the same spot,
they're actually in front of mychest again, they're not dropped
behind me and, you know, sloweddown.
So we teach the player tounderstand that these are the
visuals you have to see, and tobe really technical.

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When I said the golf ball, youwant to hit the golf ball right
in the middle of it, at the back.
So the middle would be threeo'clock.
But in, uh, in hindsight youactually hit the ball at 3, 15
ish or something like that,because, remember, the ball
stays on the club face for Idon't know how far, a few inches

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.
Um, we'll talk about that laterbecause I did a funny video the
other day about that but um,the ball will separate off the
face at three o'clock.
So you actually don't even wantto hit the middle of the back
of the ball, you actually stillwant to hit it slightly in
inside of the middle and theball, when it jumps off the face
, would then spit out straightat three o'clock visually.

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So you'll never understand agolf swing unless you see it
through your own eyes.
And that's how we go abouttrying to teach people, because
then you have a betterunderstanding.
The guy that starts, you knownot doing that, and has his
camera there for an hour filminghimself and, you know, runs out
of battery and storage on hisphone, just filming every swing

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and trying to look at what wentwrong.
You're never going to see that,because things look slightly
different.
Also with, if I had a tallposture, my Nicholas, you know
you've seen the photo that weshow of Nicholas at 430 from
overhead.
When you look down he's at 430.
Everyone says, well, nicholaswas upright and his shaft does a

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little.
Everyone says, well, nicholaswas upright and his shaft does a
little.
It's not 100% 430 from thecoach's view because he stood so
tall in his torso His arms aregetting out in front of him, the
shaft is actually pitching out.
It's way more out than a Hoganwould be, but you can see it
from above.
It's still 430.
So that's where the cameraplays tricks that you've because

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someone would watch that infilm.
And they go oh no, jack, you'retoo steep dude, you've got to
get more inside.
And Jack, if he had any sense,would say, well, I'm just going
to go win 18 majors and wineverything, so it doesn't matter
.
But from his view.
He's probably trying to saywell, it is 4.30 from my view.

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So that's one of the keycomponents is, you have to
understand the swing from thesockets in your eyes, not the
coach behind you or someone outin front of you.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, that was a big revelation for me when I first
got started doing the drills andunderstanding the 430 line and
how it relates to coming intothe ball.
Just seeing that, uh, from frommy eyes doing the drills,
lining up the shaft with theshaft that was lined up at at
four o'clock, uh was huge.

(24:40):
I mean, it felt to me that, uh,you know where, where, where we
place our shoulders doing drillone and where we have our start
in doing drill one.
It's exactly what you said.
I felt like I was going to hitthe ball right over the first
baseman, correct.
And what was interesting isgoing out and playing golf while
doing drill one, where myprimary miss was right.

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But one thing that wasn'thappening was there was no early
extension and we're going toget into drill two and drill
three because this will explainstraightening out that right
push.
But it really felt anatomicallycorrect.
It really did.

(25:24):
It felt anatomically like, ohokay, so what I was doing before
was going against my ownanatomical correctness and I was
manipulating the shaft and clubto get the club back to square,
which is what a lot of peopledo.
But now I'm actually puttingphysically, putting my body and

(25:44):
the club head and the shaft inan environment where it's
literally now forcing me to userotary motion to come into the
strike and out of the strike.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
So my hands and arms aren't acting independently
trying to save the shot, andthis was the genesis of it,
absolutely so you know, drillone is also called the hand
velocity drill and that that'skind of a double entendre
because what it does is via theforearm.
I get so many questions frompeople about forearm rotation

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that they just don't believe me.
But when you use forearmrotation you uncock your wrist.
So if I had my, let's say, myleft hand just talk about left
hand initially if I had my lefthand and the palm was almost
pointing at the ground and mywatch or my logo on my glove was
pointing almost to the sky, ifI rotate my forearm it all

(26:37):
squares up.
Yeah, it uncocks the wrist.
So the hand speed actuallycomes out of forearm rotation
and people will see this on mywebsite and Instagrams and stuff
.
I actually have a picture of mewhen I was 14 years old and

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both my arms are fully rotatedand my hands are probably three
inches from the ball, almostlevel with the ball, and it's
like my left palm is down and myright palm is up still.
So I have a massive amount offorearm rotation.
So what happens from there thisis why it's called the hand
velocity drill is, if I even gotto that, nice 430 and I was

(27:20):
getting into that position.
I'm talking about if I tried touse my hands and you can see
this on the video.
But if I try to use my hands,all that happens is the grip
just stops and comes backwardsand the club just goes flinging
by.
Yeah, and next minute my leftwrist is bent and my right wrist
is flat.
All I've done is use handmanipulation to try and hit the

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ball straight.
But the reality is, if yourotate your forearms it quickens
your hands up.
So now you maintain the wristangles through impact and by
that point the ball's gone.
So that ball is not going to gohardly anywhere except pretty
straight where the face ispointed at impact.
But you know the forearms uncockthe wrist.

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So it's not.
You just don't hit the ballwith the hands, and the hands
have always been talked aboutthat that's what hits the ball.
But we kind of John and I nowyou obviously realise it's not
what hits the ball at all.
You will feel it in your handsbecause as your forearm rotates
you are flying pressure from youknow, into the wrist cock and

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you're going to feel thepressure in your hands that are
going to intensify and probablygrip pressure and awareness that
you know where the club face is.
So you're going to feel it inyour hands that they're not the
engine, they just basically hangon.
And you know, I did a lot ofstuff with ste Steve Elkington
and Secret Golf back in the dayand got to hang out with Jackie
Burke who was a great thinkerand talker about golf, won the

(28:53):
Masters, won the PGA, and hewould always say the hands do
nothing in the swing and ittotally makes sense to me.
But you know, and people wouldlisten to Jackie Burke say it
and they go hi Jackie, yeah,he's a legend, yeah.
And it just goes over their head?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
And if one of us say it, they go oh, you're a
dickhead Like.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Of course your hands do it, but they don't, and it's
the hands' reaction to how yourarms work.
And really, your lower arm cando a lot more rotating, yet
upper arm doesn't have to domuch at all.
It's all like I just saw agreat video that I'm going to
put on my member site somewhereJohnny Miller.
He was talking about the samething that I was talking about.

(29:33):
He's almost near impact and hisleft arm is fully rotated and
his left thumb is pointingstraight backwards.
You know at 3 o'clock.
And then he said what happensto good players from here to
there, they just basicallyrotate their thumb.
So what he's talking about he'snot talking about hands,
because you can see that wouldgo backwards.
He's rotating his thumb, whichis really using the forearm.

(29:56):
So all these guys knew it.
Maybe they didn't explain it aswell, pardon me, but they knew
exactly what was.
So it it makes a lot of senseto listen to the jackie burks
and even johnny mill, eventhough people said he was a pain
to listen to commentate.
He does have some good ideasand I think gary player has some

(30:19):
good ideas.
I just posted something thismorning.
He had a thing and he talkedabout the forearm.
So Hogan's books, you knowworld-renowned.
And again, maybe he didn'texplain it all perfectly, but if
you read between the lines andthink of it in different
verbiage.
It totally makes sense, all ofit.

(30:41):
So drill one's a starting point, because impacts are most
important and impact is not overat the ball.
You've got to keep thingsmoving.
So that's why you need handspeed to keep moving through the
ball without the club trying toflip past the hands.
So that's drill one, that's 430path and why it's also called
the the velocity drill.

(31:03):
But it's not the hands that areactually doing it.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, it's powerful.
That was a big revelation forme, and it also makes sense that
we're talking about some of thegreats.
I mean when I was growing up,especially in the 80s.
I mean Hal Sutton, craigStadler, hale, irwin, curtis
Strange these guys all hadPopeye forearms.
All those guys had hugeforearms and now I know why.

(31:30):
You can never figure out why100%?

Speaker 2 (31:33):
So I've been teaching one of Arnold Palmer's
grandsons for the last threeyears or so.
Very good kid, perfect kid,like very knowledgeable, loves
working at it.
It loves doing the drills.
And the reason that he startedto come and see me is he started
to listen to me reading mystuff and he went.

(31:54):
That's exactly what grandpaused to tell me.
So it's fascinating to hearfrom him what Arnold Palmer was
telling him to do.
And Arnold Palmer was not aninstructor, but he knew what had
to happen to make the shot gowhere he wanted to do it.
So I love hearing stories likethat, you know.

(32:15):
I'll tell you one more.
It's a little bit of a brag,but I was down in Florida
working with Vijay Singh and hisson.
I think I might have seenRussell Knox at the time too.
When I was down there and JCSneed was there, he was out on
the range practising.
He couldn't hit a lot of balls,he was sort of struggling with
something and he would come overand watch a little bit.

(32:38):
And after a couple of hours andwe had a break he came up to me
, sat in my golf cart with me.
He goes.
I just want to tell you, son,he goes.
You're the first person I'veever seen that gets it he goes.
Everything that you said is whatsam, uncle sam, used to tell me
.
So they're the kind of thingsthat I love to hear, because I'm
not out there trying to makemoney or to try and just sell

(33:01):
snake oil.
I'm actually trying to makepeople better, and to hear those
stories come from people thatlived it.
You know, had relatives orgrandparents that were famous
golfers and were great players.
It's pretty cool to know that.
You know, I think myself andJohn have the formula and that's

(33:23):
why you harp on that.
It's 100% success rate, becauseit is because physics don't lie
.
The ball doesn't know who'shitting it, it can only react to
physics.
So if you're doing the rightthings to it, you're going to
become better and hit way morebetter shots more often.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, absolutely no-transcript ambiguity.
Information about ground forcereaction.

(34:02):
This is a whole thing now.
Ground force reaction.
You got pressure plates andthese tools are useful.
However, what's not being saidis actually how to teach your
body how to use these groundforces correctly where they're
working for us, both inproducing power and stability,

(34:24):
and I think that latter part iswhat is really missing with the
sort of the understanding of howto use the ground better.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Drill two Drill two is it's basically drill one.
Again, if we're doing the drillitself with the impact bag and
we didn't touch on that.
But the impact bag is therebecause it's heavy but it's soft
, so it creates a lot more forceand resistance in your muscles
that are going to train themquicker than you know.
It's like a 30-pound bag.

(34:56):
Rather than hitting a golf ball, that's like one and a half
ounces or so You'd have to hit.
If you hit the bag 30 times,you'd probably have to hit 1,000
balls to create the samestrength awareness.
So when we do drill two, it'swith my John calls it a power
board.
I have my own product calledthe Down Underboard and you put

(35:18):
it between your feet and whatyou learn now is you learn to
create pressure.
So most of today's instructionis based heavily on hitting the
ball a long way, trying tocreate as much speed as you can
with the club head.
So we've also got to understandthere's a velocity and there's
an acceleration speed.
So a club that is maybe, let'ssay, two foot before impact if

(35:40):
it's 90 degrees.
But we're doing drill onereally well and we're actually
picking up hand speed uh, 90miles an hour sorry, not 90
degrees if, if the club is 90degrees and we're picking up
hand speed by that forearmrotation and that club now moves
up, you know it picks upspeeding against a system that
is trying to slow it down.
Angular momentum is trying toslow the hands down and throw

(36:03):
the club head.
But if we can get the hands tomove and the club head to move,
there's your stability and yourcontrol of the club face and
that 90 miles an hour, you know,a few feet before impact may
start to accelerate up to 91 or92.
Hopefully, if it stays at 90,it's still still okay like

(36:24):
you're not losing speed.
Now everyone's kind of teachingcreate a lot of speed and then
let that angular momentum happen.
But really what happens isthey'll reach, let's say they
reach 90 miles an hour.
At that same point they'reprobably going to be faster than
that.
But as the handle slows down,the hands slow down and the
clubhead tries to pass.

(36:45):
Even though it feels like theclubhead is picking up in speed,
it's actually slowing down.
So they may be hitting from 90miles an hour by the time they
get to the ball at 88 miles anhour, whereas what we're trying
to teach is you may be 90 milesan hour and you're still going
to be 90 or maybe increase it alittle bit.

(37:06):
So an accelerating clubhead,even if there is a variable of
five miles an hour, anaccelerating clubhead is going
to propel that ball better thana decelerating clubhead, because
the drill one and the drill twoare using the foot pressure to
basically not just create avertical force in your swing.
You don't just push down andjump up, you push down and
squeeze in horizontally as well.

(37:27):
That keeps you down in the shot.
So one, you're staying closerto the ball, you don't have to
straighten your right arm to hitit and your wrist can stay more
normal, whereas if you'revertically jumping, your right
arm is going to have to extend.
It's a banded address andyou're getting further from the
ball're vertically jumping, yourright arm is going to have to
extend you know it's a bandedaddress and you're getting
further from the ball byvertically jumping.
You have to extend your rightarm.

(37:49):
So you're going to mess up thelow point, you're going to mess
up the club face and you're alsogoing to limit the amount of
rotation your body can do beyondthat spot.
So the ground force is reallyimportant.
You know Mo Norman and Ben Hoganand George Knutson again, it's
living in the dark ages, buttell me three of the best ball

(38:10):
strikers ever and their namesare going to come up and they
all talked about filling theleft shoe.
Mo didn't even want to creasein his left shoe at the finish.
They wanted that left foot tobe as flat as they could get.
It would probably roll a littlebit, especially with longer
clubs, but their intention wasto push into that and keep it

(38:30):
flat and not jump it away orroll on the outside of the ankle
like a lot of guys do today,because if you're pushing into
your left foot it now starts toextend your left side away from
the ball beyond impact, not onlyvertically, but you know,
behind you as well.
You can turn faster and that'skind of the idea.

(38:52):
We want to be able to keep thetorso turning, not just into
impact and then stopping.
We want it to keep turning fromthat 430 closed off position to
a quite open exit.
So, using the analogy ofbaseball, again, the ball's
going to go we hope and hit theball at the second base.

(39:12):
Coming down, we're going tofeel like we're going to hit it
to first base and on exit you'reactually going to feel like
you're going to hit it to thirdbase even though the ball's
already gone.
So that's really the reaction ofopposite forces.
You know there's sheer forcesand there's all this other stuff
, but to be honest, a lot ofthat stuff is superficial.
You don't.

(39:33):
You don't need to do it all.
You want to.
You want to create as muchstability in your swing as you
can because you need to controlthe rate of closure of the face.
You've got to get the exit tomatch the entry really, because
the swing's an arc, it's not ina straight line.
So the foot stuff is very, veryimportant because it pushes you

(39:56):
into the ground for your release.
It becomes better and strongerand faster.
But it also provides all theresistance for you to then just
rip your body off on the waythrough.
And if your body's ripping onexit, it's overtaking the hand.
So you're not going to flip theclub head past yourself.
And I often tell people thisdoing lessons, because they go
I'm flipping it and I go notreally.
And I say there's actually aflip in every golf swing.

(40:21):
It's just where it happens andhow you go about it that you
don't see it in some people.
So drill one is basically a flip.
We're trying to rotate.
You know no shaft lean, no handaction that the club flies off
playing.
We're basically trying to getvery aggressive forearm release

(40:43):
onto the ball.
So there's the flip.
But because the body is, thehands are moving faster and
starting to clear the left sideout and then the left side of
the post impact is going toovertake that release.
You don't see the flip, soyou've got to flip it.
But if you're going to flip it,do it properly, like do it in
the best spot, because we knowhow many people complain about

(41:07):
flipping and they see it andthey look at it and it causes
inconsistencies.
But it's because they're doingsomething wrong.
The foot pressure is wrong, thepath, you know the entry path
is not 430 and the body is justgiven up or it's over-rotated
too soon that people are tryingto teach.
Also, you know, get way open atimpact.

(41:27):
You don't have to.
The key to being consistent andhitting it far is to keep
rotating beyond impact.
You don't have to get way openat impact, you've just got to
keep rotating beyond it.
So drill two sets us up forthat, which is basically foot
pressure, ground pressure, tobuild resistance, for now the

(41:48):
body to overtake, which is drillthree.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
So I need to make a comment before we go into drill
three.
Drill two and drill three weresuch a revelation for me,
especially drill three.
But one thing that I noticedlooking at my swing on video
over the last three, four years,brad, is because of the however
many thousands of repetitionsI've done with drill one and
drill two, that the butt end ofthe club is lining up at impact

(42:17):
with my center, which you werethe one who first introduced me
to Chi energy and how that isactually trained and used
through drill one and drillthrough and ultimately into
drill three.
Talk about that, because Ithink you and John are the only
people I know that have talkedabout that, by the way.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, so John was.
John was fascinated I think hetried it or did a little bit
with martial arts and the chi iskind of your energy centre.
You know, when people stand intheir stances doing judo and
karate and all that, you knowthey can chop a brick out from.
You know, break three bricksfrom nowhere, basically, or the

(43:01):
Bruce Lee one-inch punch.
If someone ever looks that upon YouTube, they're providing
all the energy out of theircentre.
They call it Danchian Chi, wecall it, and it's basically
below your belly button and inthat area.
So if we think about how drillone works, when we're rotating

(43:22):
the club from 430, the.
The shaft does not stand up, thewrist cock gets maintained,
kind of.
So you end up very close towhere you started with your hand
position and shaft alignment.
So you can look at that and seethat the shaft will be aligned
right to that spot.
Now people that get steep orextend, they'll tend to stand

(43:46):
the shaft up much higher thanits original setup position so
that shaft is now not lined upto their chi dan shen.
So they're losing energy out ofthe whole system there because
basically the space betweenwhere their hands are and their
body centre not only has itlifted, it's got further away.

(44:06):
You know you kind of see thehands get way further away,
people that stand the shaft up.
So when you can rotate the clubaround and pack your arms back
to yourself, you line the shaftup better to your dancer and
then you can kind of do like thefigure skaters or the dancers
do.
You know, the tighter theradius, the faster the motion,

(44:28):
so they can spin really quicklybecause they've got their arms
tucked into them and then theyslow down and just kind of move
their arms away.
So again, that kind of getsback to acceleration velocity
idea that you know, the more Ican keep my arms closer, the
faster I can keep rotating andkeeping speed and pressure on
the shaft, and the further myarms go away from me, the more

(44:50):
everything is is stalling.
So it's a very important thingand it's no I I know I had it in
one of my books somewhere, butthere's no, and I definitely had
it on a video on YouTube that Iused to do.
It's no coincidence that whenyou look at Trevino, hogan,
sneed, you know all those guys.

(45:12):
Again the same guys.
Even Duval did it great.
Nick Price did it great.
They lined the shaft back up towhere it started.
So it's at their chi and theirpower centre at the middle of
their body there so they canjust keep moving.
Who moved faster through theball than Nick Price?
Not many.
Hogan did it and it's why.

(45:32):
Because you've got your footpressure in and you've ripped
that core and left side awayfrom the ball and it basically
just keeps you slinging throughit and if the pivot is trying to
move faster than the hands areor the club is, you'll never
roll the face over.
So that's kind of theproduction of now you have a
shot, you just can't hit left.

(45:53):
That's why Sheff was so good.
You watch his.
He's doing it all his footwork,the left side pull.
I guarantee he's lining theshaft up very close to his cheek
and he just rips through theball and the face just never
shuts over.
So he hits it straight or hehits a little five to ten or
twenty foot cut or something.

(46:13):
That's never going to get outof trouble.
Now I have seen him hit a fewshots left, but they're more the
long shot and I think that'sjust when he gets a little bit
on top of the ball he doesn'tquite turn behind it.
He'll tend to do it when he'sknocking down an iron and he'll
tend to just get on top of theball a little bit and he'll
drive the the face de-lofted alittle bit with the face point
and left.
He doesn't hook it, but he hedid it on 10 at augusta and he's

(46:37):
done it somewhere else thatI've seen where he goes long and
left and that's his bad shot.
But for the most part all hedoes is hit it straight.
So he can aim left, cut it back, he can aim straight, cut it a
bit to the right, it doesn'tmatter.
He knows he's not going toovercut the ball too much and
that's why he beats everyone,because he can aim better than
everyone else, because he knowswhere it's going.

(46:59):
The others don't know whereit's going half the time, so
they're more, you know, facedwith more trepidation on a tee
shot or some type of approach attimes because they go shit.
I don't know if I have to aim abit right.
I've got to aim away from thattrouble or whatever.
That's why he's so good, youknow.
Obviously he's putted better inthe last several months, but if

(47:23):
you hit it like that you don'thave to be a great putter.
I mean, obviously, putting alittle better helped him win,
but more tournaments.
But he's going to be there allthe time because he just has no
miss or no badness yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, and you know, maybe we can demystify since
we're on this subject withScotty, Because I got a chance
to spend a day with Scotty lastFebruary when he was here for
the AT&T and I asked him aboutwhat he does through the strike
and he says that he's got an oldschool coach, Randy Smith, and

(47:58):
all they try to do is return theshot back to impact, I mean,
back to how was it addressed?
Because that's one of theirmechanisms that they do.
And it makes sense Because fromthere we're perfectly lining up
.
Drill three, which probably hasmade the biggest difference in
my golf swing, in my golf game.
Drill three, Because when youstart marrying drill one and two

(48:20):
together, you're coming in deepfrom the right hip pocket.
John would call you know we'recoming in at the 430 club heads,
nice and shallow, it's open,we're ready to use our forearms.
Boom At impact.
What we do beyond that, I getpretty tired of hearing people
say it doesn't matter after that.
I heard that the other day andit just drives me absolutely

(48:42):
crazy because this was such abig revelation for me.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Drill three Well, it does matter, because the swing's
an arc.
If you don't care what happensafter impact, you're not going
to keep the shaft on plane andyou're not going to keep the
face on plane.
So, really, what you see, let'ssay, two foot past the ball and
beyond, even where the clubstarts exiting, up near the

(49:06):
shoulder, if you can see thatface staying very neutral,
you're not going to hit a badshot, really, are you?
And a lot of the things thatyou see on post-impact are a
result of what's happening onpre-impact.
So it does play a role.
And I know from doing lessons,lessons and I don't do this to
shut off, I do it for thenon-believer that I will show

(49:29):
them how I can hit with mypost-impact.
Only my just a thought of whatI'm doing.
Three foot past the ball, I canhit a high shot, I can hit a
low shot, I can hit a draw, Ican hit a fade, I can hit it
straight, I can sometimes do acombination of low draw or high
fade, and all I'm thinking of iswhat I'm doing after impact.
So the reason why that works isif I'll stand there on the

(49:52):
range and I'll set up to a golfball and I'll just say to him,
like once I take the club away,two foot after I take the club
away, just yell out one of thosedraw, fade, hide, low, straight
, whatever, and I'll do it, I'llhit the shot.
And they look at me and go, wow, that's like magic, what did

(50:13):
you do?
I go.
Well, as soon as I heard draw, Iknew after impact to use my
right shoulder more so I wouldshift the path to the right by
rotating my right shoulder.
I wouldn't, and I remember I'maiming straight, so I can't
change my aim mid swing, so I'mjust aiming straight.
So I shifted my path with theintention of my right shoulder

(50:35):
kind of hitting like a top spinon exit.
Now what happens is, because Iknow I'm going to do that right
shoulder, as soon as I had adraw my path shifts.
It starts to maybe go a littlebit lower than 430 so I can
shift the path into out, but beaware that I'm not hitting the
draw just by stopping the handleand flipping my hands over.

(50:56):
I'm still keeping the sameswing, but I'm making the path
move a little bit more to theright, with the face staying
where it is.
And if I heard a straight shotI'd pull my left side abs and
obliques, which is kind of drillthree.
If I want to hit a high one,two or three foot, I'd feel my
hands go high.
So your body reacts to what youare going to do.

(51:19):
So it's way simpler, like Italked about earlier, once you
start knowing that you can thinkabout playing golf in front of
yourself rather than behindyourself like everyone else
tends to want to do.
You know, thinking about theirbackswing and their downswing,
and all that.
If you can produce all thoseshots from just thinking about

(51:40):
what you're going to do on exit,how much simpler is it?
so I could I could basicallyjust pick the club up over my
head like matthew wolf and playgolf, or I could take it.
I could take it any old where Iwanted to, because where I'm
going doesn't matter.
Where I'm coming from isimportant, and where am I coming
from on entry is going to beaffected by what I want to do on

(52:04):
exit.
So I mean that probably blowstoo many people's minds, but
it's just common sense.
Yeah, it is.
It's just where am I golf?
You know, when you line up to agolf ball, you are looking down
and ahead of you or not ahead ofyourself, down and out, but
your target is down and ahead ofit or not ahead of yourself,
down and out, but your target isleft and forwards of you.

(52:25):
So why not give that part theattention rather than the back
bit?
The back bit?
You haven't even hit the ballyet.
So you want to know whereyou're going and to do that you
have to think left and forwardsof you, out where the target is,
just like all those othersports.
So it becomes a very simpleconcept when you understand it,

(52:52):
and the great thing about thatalso is, if you're not swinging
it, great one day.
But you're very aware of wherethe club face is now because
you're not flipping your handsover and you're not jumping away
vertically and stalling yourbody.
You can almost make a slightalteration if the swing feels
off a little bit, just byfocusing on what you want to do.
After you struck it and I knowthat sounds crazy because the
ball's already gone, but it'snot it's like putting your hand

(53:15):
on the stove and like a secondgoes by and you go.
Oh shit, I just burnt my hand,like you don't register it
straight away.
So you are preparing yourdownswing with what you're
thinking out in front.
It doesn't just happen out infront, but you've got to think
of it out there because thingsare preparing and circulating
and producing the shot for youto do what you're actually

(53:38):
thinking of out there.
I know that that'll blow somepeople's minds, but I could
stand there all day on the rangeand do it for you and it's you
know.
Sure, I'm an advanced golferover some people, but I've
taught people that were 20handicappers to be able to do it
.
And then not only that is whenyou can do that.
If you get on a hole that youdon't like, you know on this

(54:00):
hole and you go shit, every timeI play this I'll slice it into
the trees.
Well, now you've got to get outof jail card.
You go, I'm not going to slicethis, I'm going to right
shoulder on exit and hit a nicedraw up there and no, I'm not
going to overdraw it because I'mnot using my hands and and you
can start playing around the thebad stuff that gets in your
head on the course.
You know if, if the wind's leftto right everyone hates left to

(54:22):
right wind Every now and then alot of the time I'll just draw
it against the wind to keep itstraight or drop some yardage
off the shot.
I mean, everyone thinks progolfers just hit the same shot
over and over and over.
But it's so much more to that.
And I remember doing anine-hole lesson with someone
and we got like the six holes.
And I remember doing a ninehole lesson with someone and we

(54:43):
got like the six holes and Isaid to them uh, so what do you
think so far?
What have you learned?
And the guy looked at me, goesI learned you just haven't hit
the same shot twice yet andwe're on the sixth hole, because
it's not that you're trying tohit.
Yeah, maybe on the range you'retrying to hit all these perfect
shots, but on the course everyshot's different.
Everything calls for adifferent mindset or process,
and that's that's why trying tobe perfect um is very difficult.

(55:08):
No one's done it yet.
So why does everyone try and beperfect?
You know you've got to playwithin capabilities, understand
how I can do these things, andthen it opens up a whole world
of opportunity on the coursebecause you start seeing things
differently.
You go well, I'm scared todeath of this hole.
But I know I can do this and itmay be the total opposite to

(55:30):
what you do, but that's a goodthing, because why keep doing
the same stupid thing over andover?
That doesn't work.
So post-impact and I've alwayssaid this, I'm sure when you
watched my first drill videoswhen we were going through it, I
think I said on the drill threevideo this is the key to golf,
like not only because it'simportant because of you know

(55:53):
where the target is and whereyou're going and how you
actually can affect impact.
If you do drill three postimpact well, you get better at
drill one because you have tocome from the drill one spot to
be able to do drill three.
Post-impact well, you getbetter at drill one because you
have to come from the drill onespot to be able to do drill
three.
So that's how they all manifestinto one another and produce
the straighter flights that arebetter low points, better struck

(56:15):
shots and less curves.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah, drills one through three are kind of my
ABCs.
You know of the golf swing um,for me when I'm, when I'm
drilling, consistently drillsone through three.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Everything else just kind of, you know, take shape on
its own, yeah, and doesn't haveto be perfect, because you know
where you're coming from, knowwhere you're going, the other
stuff, like I said, you couldpick it up over your head if you
wanted to.
But yeah, obviously there'sbetter options than that.
The less arc motion or swingplane motion you feel, the

(56:50):
better or maybe not the betterthere's got to be some plane
shift.
You can't swing on one plane nomatter what people tell you.
Yeah, because you know ifyou've set up at address, the
club is outside your hands andthen it's kind of outside your
hands until it wastes time.
When you come down the hands,the club's down behind you.
So there's no such thing as aone-swing play.

(57:12):
It just doesn't happen.
There's some type of shift.
But you know, you could imaginetelling I bet Lee Trevino feels
like he swings straight up anddown, but when we look at it he
doesn't.
Yeah, but the forces of you knowthe pressures of it all are
just in sync that he knows howto keep the shaft on plane into

(57:32):
and through exit in his way,that he does it.
So Hogan was great too, andNick Price you know all those
guys that really the premiumball strikers all did it the
same way they.
They had it slightly offplaying.
430 is slightly off playingbecause the part of the club
points across the ball, not downat it, and then you pressure it

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onto playing with the one drill, one, two, three and keep it on
playing through impact.
So that's your, your forces andpressures and it and it puts
all feeling into your whole body, like into your legs, into your
core, into your hands.
You know, into everything, youfeel everything, whereas if
you're just slapping away at itfrom a steep position and just

(58:15):
throwing the handle at it, andclub it at it and have no body
action.
You're not going to feel muchit's you know, certainly not on
a day-to-day basis.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah, and and really I want to, you know, point out
to something that you've said inthe past, brad, that you know,
even even the great players inthe world that have more of a
horizontal flip release, justsay you know, I know that it's
driven.
Bj nuts, you and I have talkedabout it.
You know, I know that it'sdriven.
Bj nuts, you and I have talkedabout it.
You know Fred Couples and thoseguys, I mean, although they're

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great players and they're verytalented and they have educated
hands, they tend to disappear.
You know, it's like you know,scotty.
Here's a prime example ofScotty Shuffler If he has a bad
week putting, he's still in thetop 20.
He's not missing cuts.
If he has a good week ofputting, he's winning.
Why is that?

(59:08):
Because he's doing it with hisball striking.
He's doing it literally withhis ball striking and that's
what all the greats have alwaysdone.
But they never disappeared formonths.
They would be around.
You know, they have goodputting weeks and bad putting
weeks, and what's cool aboutwhat we're talking about, folks,

(59:28):
is that this is tangible andit's achievable through doing
these drills.
I mean, you do them over andover and over again.
Next thing, you know the samething that happened to me is I
didn't play in a tournament for10 years.
And you're the first person Imessaged saying all of a sudden

(59:51):
I didn't play in a tournamentfor 10 years.
I've been doing the drillsintensely for six months and I
went out and played, didn't missa fairway for two days, two-day
amateur event, and I hit 30 outof 36 grains, first tournament
in 10 years.
I didn't even realize it untilI was driving home and I thought
to myself this is absolutelytangible, it's achievable, it's

(01:00:15):
no longer a mystery of how thehell do these guys do this?
And you know, it's no longerlooking up at the mountaintop
saying there's no clear path toget up there, but there really
is.
It's trainable.
And also too, as we go intodrill four and we leave drill

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three, then hopefully you alllistening are getting a real
good mental picture of whatwe're talking about.
You know, scotty, we talkaboutotty because he's the best
ball striker on the planet.
But his footwork I mean, oh mygod.
I have never heard anybodywhiff on scotty's footwork and

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I've heard teachers andcommentators on tv just flat
call it idiosyncratic.
But Tiger did it when he wasyounger, greg Norman, you did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I didn't even know.
But well, I know now how ithappened.
So again, it's a lot to do withforce and pressure.
So if you think about, ifyou're pushing into your legs,
your hands are kind of trying toget in front of your body, the
club is laying down behind yourbody, your body's moving, lower
half's moving lateral, your tophalf's staying shut.
It's like you're in a pretzel,like you're in a pretzel move.

(01:01:31):
So all forces are going to getexpelled out somehow.
So it's no again, nocoincidence that Gary Player,
ben Hogan, even Nick Feldo to alittle bit Greg Norman, like you
said.
Now Scotty Sheffler, camilloVillegas did it.
I'm not classifying him asgreat, but he did it, I did it.

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Peter Senior did it.
It's not an intentional move,it's just something that happens
out of having the correctforces in the upper bodies doing
a pretzel thing and eventuallyyou just keep pushing, grinding
down and start pulling away fromit and it all spits out.
I call it like your feet, yourfeet kind of work, like an

(01:02:16):
infinity symbol.
You know, the weight shiftsfrom um in the left toe into the
right heel, back into the righttoe, into the left heel.
It's kind of just a constantinfinity symbol, round and round
and round when weight shiftsbecause you're turning with it
and sometimes it just exertsmore in some people.
But I know from my experience.

(01:02:38):
I'd learnt, you know I didn'thave many golf lessons growing
up, but I would go to the golftournaments and I had the chance
to meet Greg Norman when I wasvery young 12 years old and walk
around practice rounds with himand watch him and ask him a few
questions and then I'd go homeand practice it.
And it's no coincidence thatfor me, my feet did the same as

(01:03:01):
him.
And it wasn't trying to do it,it just happened because I was
pushing a lot more into my rightfoot, pulling a lot more out of
my left side, and that wouldbasically, if you think, if you
push hard into your right footand that doesn't mean your heel
has to be down You're justpushing pressure into it and at

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the same time you're releasingand pulling your left side.
If you've still got someresistance in your right foot
and your left side rips behindyou, your foot's going to get
dragged backwards in thedirection that your body's going
.
So it's all about pressures.
It's not standing there, youknow, light-footed and trying to
slide your foot around.
I guarantee none of those guyshad any intention of doing that,

(01:03:44):
it just happened from theproper forces.
So it is pretty cool when I seeit in some people's swings,
because every now and thenduring a lesson I go, hey, did
you just notice your right footthere?
And they went yeah, I thoughtthat was a little bit different.
So they just get accustomed toit and they weren't trying to do
it, but it's actually a goodthing.
They just get accustomed to itand they weren't trying to do it
, but it's actually a good thing.
I mean, maybe Scotty's a bitmore extreme than some people.

(01:04:05):
He looks like he falls oversometimes, but you know Gary
played it and ended up walkingthrough shots and kind of
sharked it a very big slidebackwards and keep going.
You know Hogan was way morebalanced in it, but it's
actually a good thing if you doit.
So if listeners start usingtheir correct pressures and it
will come from doing drill one,two, three, for the most part,

(01:04:29):
if you very conscious or not, uh, if you're very perseverant
with it and do the drills,you're going to train your body
to do that type of stuff and oneday it'll appear and you won't
even recognize it or know thatyou're doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Yeah, you just do it and all of this just seems very
natural.
You know, for me doing thedrills I'm going into year five
next year of doing the drills itseems like my body accepted the
movements right away.
It didn't seem as if it wasultra contrived At first, maybe

(01:05:05):
a little bit awkward, especiallywith drill three.
But drill three, really Ilearned how to cut the ball.
So I mean, I know that we havein our community Brad, we hook
our way in and we cut our wayout.
Yeah, net zero.
So it produces a net zero.
But ultimately you the listener,if you can imagine it now it

(01:05:29):
may start to make sense when wetalk about post impact
intentions and how those startto become new neural pathways by
doing drill three, that youliterally start to go oh, I can
hit it high from here whilestill accelerating like a crazy
man, or I can hit it low, or Ican hit a slice, I can hit a
drop, I can do whatever I wantbased on post-impact intentions.

(01:05:53):
But I don't think any of thatis possible if you're
decelerating and you're standingup the shaft and you're
chucking your right arm out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Absolutely not.
You can't do it, yeah.
So, like you said, it is anatural thing.
If you think of an ice hockeyguy again, a baseball player, a
tennis player, a cricketer, youknow people that are from
Australia or England or whatever.
You watch what their right footdoes when they try and hit a

(01:06:23):
shot or a slap shot.
Their right foot's goingbackwards behind them because
they're starting to put alltheir pressure and pull away.
You know, snap away from theimpact spot, so their right
foot's behind them.
It's not out in front, so it isa natural move, like you said.
So it's not.
It shouldn't be foreign to alot of people.

(01:06:44):
It's just frightening when itfirst happens because they
probably never done it beforeand not aware how to do it.
But it's, it's technicallysound and the way the body
should move.
It's, it's how it should do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense, and we'll, we'll
marry before we get into drillthrow.
I do, I do want to make acomment and then we'll, we'll
ask, we'll, we'll circle back toit.
But, um, you know, uh, flatangles play a massive part in
this too.
I just want to throw it out outthere to get the listener
preemptively prepared for, uh,for that part of the

(01:07:19):
conversation, because that's abig one.
I mean, that really facilitateseverything.
It's a massive assist.
Yeah, it really does.
But let's talk about drill four, where we actually do start to
work on the backswing a littlebit, but it's primarily setting
us up to properly plane shiftand pressure coming into the

(01:07:40):
strike Drill four.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
So I think drill four is a good one properly plane
shift and pressure coming intothe straight Drill four.
So I think drill four is a goodone.
So there's two ways you canshallow the shaft, or a
combination of both, which aredrill four and drill five.
So you can shallow the shaft bydown, cocking the wrists and
normally, if you think aboutthrowing a ball, if I had a ball

(01:08:04):
in my hand and I took my handback behind me and then I went
to throw it, what's reallyhappening is my wrist is kind of
downloading and my elbow isgoing in front of me.
I'm not going to throw the ballfrom behind myself.
So drill four is kind of likeyou're throwing a, and probably
drill five.
You feel it in that too.
But it's basically teaching thewrist to be supple.

(01:08:25):
People that are stiff-wristed,you know you're never going to
hold angles in your swing on theway down or even at impact.
So there has to be somesuppleness to the wrist where
they can load the club.
And if you, it's basically likeif you just had a I can't
remember the name of, well,maybe cracking a whip if you
just held your hand up above youand just started doing, you

(01:08:48):
know, cracking a whip with justyour wrist.
That's kind of what it feelslike that you're loading the,
letting the wrist load, and whatthat's going to do is it's
going to actually start to dropthe hands and keep the shaft and
club head up.
So you're not going to throwthe club away.
People that are stiff-wristedyou know they obviously throw
the club away pretty soon.
So drill four is basicallytraining of the wrist, because

(01:09:11):
your wrist can go, you know theycan open up and really the more
you know, the more forearm youhave open, the more wrist cock
you get.
So it's very important to trainthe wrist to be able to handle
these situations.
They can go I don't talk aboutulna and radial and all that,

(01:09:32):
but people can.
But your wrist can go up anddown, they can go open, they can
go close.
There's all types of differentmotions they can have.
So you're training your wristto be able to kind of deal with
all those subtleties of ofaccepting the load of the club
as your probably completing yourbackswing.

(01:09:54):
Really, I mean transition isyou've got a backswing, you've
got a downswing, but transitionmeans there's a crossover.
You're actually still doingyour backswing as you're doing
your downswing.
That's typically the transitionand a lot of that is the wrist
action and the feet pushing andall that.
You start loading the clubpushing and and all that you

(01:10:18):
start loading the club you startputting a lag angle into the,
the swing that you can save forimpact, you know, for later on
to release it a little bit later.
So drill four is a lot aboutthe wrists doing that.
Some people will still tend tonot get enough their hands or
arms working out in front ofthem with the wrist action and
they'll still probably get wristcocked but they'll pull it

(01:10:40):
downwards so they'll still getsteep.
So drill five is kind of a verysimilar drill.
But drill five you're adding alot more forearm rotation.
That in essence doesn't happenwhen you swing.
You know we have a drill whereyou put the bag up high behind
you and you try and use a lot ofright leg and a lot of forearm
rotation.

(01:11:00):
Drop the club more at 6 o'clockthan at 4.30, but do that?
Do that train your forearms tostay open?
Anyone can test this.
If you just put your right armout in front of you about waist
high or chin height and yourotate your forearm clockwise,
all you're going to feel is yourright shoulder is just going to
externally push back.

(01:11:21):
So you know, I kind of laugh atsome stuff and I don't want to
be mean to people because theyyou only know what you know.
But a lot of people are talkingabout keep that right shoulder
external, keep it external.
I go, holy shit, all you got todo is have forearm rotation and
you keep it external, like it'svery simple way to do it.
But you got people trying ishave forearm rotation and you
keep it external, like it's avery simple way to do it, but
you've got people trying to pushtheir shoulder back and keep it
down and it's not really howit's done.

(01:11:44):
Again, it's going to haverepercussions through impact if
you're trying to do it that way.
So drill four is wrist load tocreate lag.
It generally comes from width.
So the wider kind of thebackswing is, the more your
wrists are going to try and downcock.
The narrower your backswing is,the more you're going to try

(01:12:06):
and uncock your wrist.
So it's just teaching people tofeel a little bit more
extension and a little bit moreload in the transition with the
drill four and then drill five.
If people still get a little bitsteep or steep would be kind of
narrowing the radius wheretheir right arm would not stay
wide coming down.
It would get closer to theirshoulder.
You know you'd lose spacebetween your right hand and your

(01:12:27):
shoulder.
That would be steeper.
So the forearm rotation keepsthe radius of your right arm
pretty constant as you come down.
So you're not.
You know you're not.
Lag is not narrowing the radiusof your swing, it's basically
just having arm rotation, wrist,cock.
That puts the club in the thirddimension behind you.

(01:12:49):
So it looks like you have a lotof lag, but the reality is you
still only have 90 degrees.
Whether you're pulling on theclub or whether you're doing it
like Sergio, there's only a90-degree shaft angle, but it
looks 150 when it's behind yourather than when it's in front
of you.
Like that it's too steep.
So they're the fun drills, buta lot of that stuff does get

(01:13:13):
worked out quite well just fromdoing the first three drills,
like you said.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yeah, those are the ABCs of the drill series, in my
opinion.
So now that we're building agolf swing and we're building a
golf swing to last, that doesn'trequire a lot of mental thought
, particularly on the golfcourse.
It's almost impossible to thinkabout this stuff.
Thought particularly on thegolf course, it's almost
impossible to think about thisstuff.

(01:13:40):
One of the things when I foundyou and John Brad, one of the
things that blew me away was theeffect that equipment has on
your golf swing, whether you'reaware of it or not, and that
really scared me because I wascompletely unaware of the
effects, positive or negative,on how you set your gear up.

(01:14:03):
So let's talk about that.
Let's talk about that and theadvantages.
I mean you and I both know, andI've actually I continue to get
a little bit flatter as eachyear comes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I just did mine another half degree or so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yeah, yeah.
So what's interesting aboutthat is that it really brings to
life the pressures that we'retalking about, the advantages of
flat lie angles and a littlebit heavier equipment too.
Brad, let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Well, heavier helps for sure.
I mean you may not be able tomove a heavier club as fast as
you think you can with a lighterclub, but you're probably less
prone to throw the club headaway on a heavier club than you
would on a light club.
Also because you can feel thehead weight.
You know where the head is.
So it's important.

(01:14:58):
But remember, even if you're abit gentler on the downswing and
transition, you've got thefirepower now at the bottom of
drill one and drill two anddrill three to keep that club
accelerating.
Through that, even if theclub's a little bit heavy, you
can still move it fast.
And remember, we're onlylooking for an accelerating club
.
And the later you can expandthat speed into the hands and

(01:15:24):
arms and body and club, the moreyou maintain the shaft.
So basically, people that getsteep and just toss their hands
at it, all they're hitting theball with is a club head.
Yeah, someone that's done thedrills is hitting the ball with
the grip, the shaft, the club.
They're hitting it with thewhole club and that's where it

(01:15:45):
creates all the feel.
But you use the whole club.
I mean we've got a whole club,so we may as well use all of it.
And then the flatter lie anglesyou start seeing arcs better.
So you know, club fitting isvery strange in that most people
, if you ask them, they wouldthink that to get their club set

(01:16:06):
up properly, it would be howthey address the ball.
But it has nothing to do withthat.
The club lie angle is howimpact works.
So what you'll find is, if youwant to stand the shaft up, you
want to have a higher uh, agreater lie angle day, a more
upright lying, or if you want totry and return that shaft back
to your, your chi, and rotate itaround you, a flatter club's

(01:16:28):
going to help.
You do it now if you, if youare, grab the club in your this
is people can test this simplyyou can do it in the lounge room
.
If you just grab the clubdoesn't matter what club it is,
longer club's better and youkneel down on the ground and you
put the club head on the groundand you just let the club stay

(01:16:49):
on the ground.
You'll see a very big arc, butyou'll also see the face never
change.
So the club face stays verytrue to the arc.
So that's what we're trying tosee.
We're trying to see that in thegolf swing.
But when we're making a golfswing we're not on our knees,
we're five, ten or six foot twoabove that.

(01:17:11):
So you don't see it that way.
And people start getting morevertical because from their
vantage point they think they'vegot to go at the ball, rather
than that arc is actually goingto hit the ball for them.
So that's an important step isto even if people don't do it
immediately get a six or seveniron, an old club that you have
at home and bend the heck out ofit four or five degrees flatter

(01:17:35):
and use it as a practice cluband watch what happens.
So what you'll find is you'renot going to stand the shaft up
as much.
If you did, the toe would hitthe ground because the club's
flatter and when the toe hitsthe ground the face stays open,
so you're not going to hit theball left.
Basically, upright clubs are aband-aid for bad swings in that

(01:18:01):
a person that comes over the topthe heel hit.
You know they start making theclub more upright, so the heel
hits the ground first.
So instead of hitting a bigslice, they hit a draw or they
hit a somewhat straighter shot.
But the more you keep doingthat that the more your swing
starts gaining in steepness.
So it's not going to help youlong term.
It'll be a short-term fixpossibly, but long term you're

(01:18:24):
going to basically startsteepening the swing more and
more, trying to solve that moreupright club out.
And if you have a flatter clubwhere the toe kind of sits up,
you're going to work harder downinto the 430 and the chi area
for the impact and really ripyour pivot away and solve the
club out that way.
So it's a definite advantage.

(01:18:46):
You don't have to go crazy onit.
Mine clubs are about two and ahalf flat, not crazy, but at one
point I was using one or twoups.
So I know it's a significantchange.
Now that was not um on my doing.
I actually used to use flatclubs.
But then I got my swing messedwith a little bit when I was in

(01:19:09):
this uh instructor.
I didn't know what I was doing,I was just listening to people.
My swing got upright, my clubsgot more upright and it just
made it worse and worse andworse.
So I went down that path ofholy cow.
This is not good and could dragmyself back again helpfully by
flattening the clubs down so Icould see the arcs and the

(01:19:32):
circles better than the straightlines, and we don't want
straight lines in the swing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Yeah, that's well said.
You know you did a great video.
Uh, you did a three-part video,uh, three-part series on
flatter lie angles.
And what's interesting aboutthat is I saw the the champions
tour instagram feed they've beenshowing for they sh.
They showed like a collage ofvideos of freddie couple's golf
swing from when he first got ontour.
Did you see that?
And what a difference, amassive difference.

(01:20:08):
And and I mean it has nothingto do with his age, when over
time you can see Longer lighter.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
More upright.
He's got white hybrids in hisbag now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Yeah, yeah, but you can really see the swing
deterioration If you know whereto look.
Less and less rotation.
Less and less rotation throughthe strike.
More flippy, more handsy kindof more lazy actually.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yeah, and if you're using weight, you're actually
keeping your muscles in check.
You know, without even going tothe gym, if you're using
heavier clubs, it's going tomake you keep your body in tone.
You know you're going to haveto work those muscles that the
drills teach you.
Keep on doing it.
You know it's going to have towork those muscles that the
drills teach you.
Keep on doing it.
You know it's going to make youwant to keep doing it, to swing
that way.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean my , now my drill club.
I had to get an X200 becauseI'm snapping the shafts, because
I've hit them so hard.
So this thing is like a Frankenclub where it's a a, it's a
dynamic gold x200.
I mean it's like swing way to fsomething and I've got it at
six degrees flat, just so I Icontinue to use the ground

(01:21:27):
properly and make sure that I'm.
You know I'm I'm coming in in ashallow entry from the 430.
But for me, brad, that was sucha massive revelation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
It was a huge revelation my first teaching
club that I would have.
For the impact bag it gotbroken a couple of years ago but
I had it for 10 years or more.
I had bent it 10 degrees flatand no one even knew when they
were hitting the bag.
They paid no attention to it,but it made them want to see the
arcs better.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's an interestingcomment, seeing the arcs better.
Yeah, I didn't even think aboutthat until you said that, but
now when I'm over the golf ball,I do see the arcs, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yeah, and that's what we want to do.
We want to see it from yourperspective, not from a calorie
or a coach's perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
I mean I got to tell you justthe information that you and
John have put out and we'll getto your members' website in a
minute, but I do want to touchon how this is impacting the
world's best.
So you've been working withPeter Malnati.

(01:22:38):
You've got some guys on thechamp tour now and I know that
you've worked with some of thegals out there.
You've got some good collegiateplayers coming up.
So this information is touchingand has touched the world's
best.
You've worked with Vijay istouching and has touched the
world's best.
You've worked with Vijay.
You sent me some pictures ofyour work with Vijay and it's

(01:23:00):
great.
So you know, let's talk aboutPeter.
Peter won this year, that'sright.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
So that was fascinating because Russell Knox
, who I worked with for a yearor so they're best buddies and
Peter was struggling a littlebit.
He wanted to try and improvehis hitting of the ball.
So we set up a meeting and theinteresting thing was, even
though I don't work with Russell, russell told me he goes like
if you want to get better you'vegot to go see Hugo.
So it was fascinating that Knoxwould send him to me.

(01:23:32):
Even though we don't work withone another anymore.
He kind of valued what I didwith him and thought that'd be
great for peter.
So we had a chat, talked aboutthings and his first comment to
me was I put great, my shortgame's great, I just got to get
to the green quicker.
That was his, that was his maingoal just get on the green
faster than I have been able to.

(01:23:53):
So he came to uh, greenville,where I'm at, and we did a
couple of hour session and a lotof it was just drill one.
So we did a lot of the bag workbecause he gets steep and he
gets a little bit right armthrowy.
So we did a lot of drill oneand he really liked it because
it felt very different, and thenwe didn't do any other drill.

(01:24:16):
But what I also did is I putthe stick out in front of him,
which is part of drill six ordrill three really and made him
feel that to get better at the4.30 drill one he had to
understand where the club had toexit.
So the stick was out in frontand I said you've got to exit
the club up there.
So think of it this way.

(01:24:36):
He only did drill one and hisgame thought on the course was
not to do drill one, it was torehearse drill one and then
think I'm going up that stick.
That was his only swing thought, which again coincides with
thinking out in front ofyourself, doesn't it?
Yep, so he goes.
His first time he did it.
He came ninth at whatever usedto be the Honda I don't know

(01:24:58):
what it's called now in PalmBeach and tough course, and he
said I've never played good.
He said there's watereverywhere.
Every hole scares the death outof me.
And he came ninth.
So I went the next week to theplayers and saw him there.
We did some work on the rangeand he shot 66 Saturday and he
was like coming six with oneround to go, had an awful Sunday

(01:25:19):
, something how he said I don'tknow what happened, I just lost
it all.
I was probably too nervous,excited, jumpy, just lost all my
bearings and he shot like 80 orsomething like that, and fell
way down the path.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
So I spoke to him that night.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
He goes oh, hugo, I don't know what happened.
You know it was all so goodlast week and the first three
days here and I said to him Isaid, look, maybe this was just
happened for a reason.
I said you've done well, you'vedone really well, and seven out
of those eight rounds you'vedone really well.
Who, who knows?

(01:25:54):
Your next opportunity may justcome next week and you'll be
better prepared for it and do it.
And lo and behold, he went toVelspa in Tampa.
There he's played it six orseven times, missed a cut, like
every time, and came 60th oneother time.
And then he wins on one of thereally tough, striking courses.

(01:26:15):
And he rang me that night andwe spoke for a little bit and he
goes Hugo, you got me on thegreen quicker, that's all I
needed.
So you know, what I'm sayingthere.
He really only had a month.
You know it was four weeksafter we first met.
He had a month of doing drillone and his swing thought when
he was playing was drill three,you know, up the stick.
That was it.
Month of doing drill one, andhis swing thought when he was
playing was drill three, up thestick.

(01:26:36):
That was it.
So you can get good veryquickly based on you know what
your current swing does.
If this really outperforms yourold swing, you'll hit way more
better shots.
Yeah, you know it's immediatefor a lot of people.
You don't have to do thepractice, go away and be, you

(01:26:58):
know stink for a month or morebefore you start seeing the
progress.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
It's quite immediate in a lot of cases yeah, in the
in the initial six months that Istarted doing them brad um, my
golf, my, my ball strikingpretty much was improving.
During that time I never feltlike I was going backwards,
never, never felt like I wasgoing backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Well, you can't because the physics are bad.
The physics of it are truer towhat the ball wants to.
You know, the ball doesn't carewhat your swing looks like, it
wants the physics.
So if you do better physics onit, then obviously the ball does
better, but you also get abetter swing looking-wise as
well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Indeed.
So you know, with all thisinformation, you also have
something that's really uniqueand special.
I've been a member of it forquite a long time.
I've gotten a lot of greatthoughts and great tips, from
everything to how to prepare fora tournament, but short game
thoughts, course managementthoughts, drill thoughts, swing

(01:28:02):
thoughts, and you've got somevideos with some professionals
on there and that's yourmembers' website.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
It's a happy deal.
Yeah, the members' website ispretty good.
I think right now there's.
I normally add four a month orfive a month, depending on how
much time I have to do stuff,and some of it's repetition, but
some of it's all different, youknow not.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
The reality is that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
I don't really teach a lot of different things.
I teach like five or six things, but I have 40 ways to explain
each one.
That may help one person see itintellectually or see it
visually or, you know,understand it better.
So you know, if you can't, thegolf swing is not 100 things,
there's a few main things andyou work your way around it.

(01:28:46):
So I think currently there's Ithink there's over 600 videos
and articles on that website,bradleyhughesgolf-memberscom.
It's quite cheap.
Maybe next year I'll raise theprice a little bit, so get in
quick, but it's.

(01:29:06):
Yeah, there's so many.
It's all categorised, there'sall different things and if you
like, listen to Jesse's podcastand you hear the 4.30 stuff.
You can go to the 4.30 categoryand you'll see like 45 videos
or more.
So you know how to jump aroundand see the things that are
pertinent to each one.

(01:29:27):
You know the drill two would bethe footwork and ground forces
area.
The post-impact would be thedrill three.
The transition down swing wouldbe the four and five and then,
like Jesse said, there's lessonsthat I talk about things.
There's some stories of playingwith people and President's Cup
and playing with Jumbo Ozakiand all these different things.

(01:29:49):
So it's a pretty goodcollection the course management
, the specialty shots, there'sall these different categories
where it's quite easy to find.
No video is repeated, Some ofthe messaging is, but there's
all different ideas and I reallyhave had a lot of great
response to it and I know it'sone of your favorite spots.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Yeah, it's fascinating, Brad.
You've got anything that aplayer wants to inquire about.
You've got anything that aplayer wants to inquire about.
You've got it on there.
I mean, and one thing that Ilearned from the website was how
to use the bounce for wedgesyou know so that to understand
the bounce and how to use thebounce.

(01:30:33):
I mean, that was cool, so you'vegot.
You're checking all your, your,your, your checking all the
boxes in that website.
I want to make sure that thefolks that are listening really
know that there's a resource.
Bradley's members site is areally, really, really valuable
resource to go on and to checkout.
There's a lot of answers onthere to a lot of questions and

(01:30:54):
to check out.
There's a lot of answers onthere to a lot of questions and
it's quite simple which is great.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Yeah, I've enjoyed doing it.
Every now and then I'll bedoing a lesson I think God, that
was something I've never saidthat that was pretty good.
Let's film that, or come backhome and film it.
So you know, some of them arejust born out of doing a lesson
and coming up with some wholedifferent ideology or tech term
to make someone understand it.
So it's pretty fun doing it.

(01:31:21):
Yeah, like I said, there's over600, and I'm pretty certain I
can come up with four more amonth.
And not only you know newmembers, not only see the new
ones.
You've got the whole archive tospread back through.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Yeah, it's very powerful information, Very
simple, very powerful, veryunderstandable and immediately
applicable.
There's nothing that'sambiguous that you've got on
that website, which I reallyappreciate Because you know you
got to.
Let's look at it from the eyesof the seeker.

(01:31:55):
I mean the seeker is going togo on to YouTube.
I mean, good, goodness,gracious.
I mean there's every possiblemethodology and way to get there
, whether it's correct orincorrect, but it's on there so
you can really misdiagnoseyourself and go down some wrong

(01:32:15):
rabbit holes.
You can really.
You can really misdiagnoseyourself and go down some wrong
rabbit holes.
You can really.
You can really.
But on Bradley's members sitethat's, that's not going to
happen because everything is istried and tested.
You know a lot of it comes fromyour spirit, your experience
playing as a professional at thehighest level, so you know what
works and what doesn't underthe gun.
And you know for those of us,us amateur golfers, we don't

(01:32:37):
quite know what it's like toactually play for your money.
It's a different ball game, youknow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Yeah, I think that was.
I guess I have a slight nicheor differential between some of
the coaches that I did play, youknow, in all majors and
President's Cup and onetournament.
So there is that.
I did play, you know, in allmajors and President's Cup and
one tournament.
So there is that experience.
When I was playing I didn'tknow a lot of what I know now,
but it was easy to figure outwith John's talk and getting our

(01:33:08):
heads together andunderstanding some old videos
and watching things and how wecame about divulging everything.
I did pretty much everythingthat I now teach unknowingly.
So now I know what I was doingand I know how to teach people
to do it.
It's a pretty fun thing towatch.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Well, I for one have enjoyed our friendship, Brad.
Your tutelage has been amassive influence on me and
others.
I mean, gosh darn, you'vehelped out a ton of people out
there and you know, for thosewho are searching and you're
looking for something that is,quite frankly, it's common sense
, you know, the answers to theriddle have always been in front

(01:33:52):
of us and you and John are theonly ones that I know that
explain it.
That's in a way, that's reallyuh, it's, it's reasonable and
it's easier to understand.
Um, you, you don't talk interms of, uh, anatomical sayings
.
Uh, you keep things very simpleand uh, you know, I, if I, if I

(01:34:14):
call you up or I call John up,I'm not getting an anatomy
lesson, when I'm gettingthoughts on the golf swing,
which I really appreciate.
So, once again, how can peoplebest find you, brad?

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
So I have my regular website, bradleyhughesgolfcom,
the members' website that wementioned.
That uh gives a lot more.
You know, full videos.
I used to put videos on youtubeand stuff, but I stopped doing
that because one I couldn'tdivulge as much as I wanted to.
But on a member's site, becausepeople are very attracted to it

(01:34:52):
and they're giving you a slightfee, I can really get into the
nitty-gritty of a lot of stuff.
So that'sbradleyhughesgolf-memberscom.
And then on the social media,I'm probably the most active on
Instagram.
Some of that spreads over ontothe Facebook and they're like
bhughesgolf or bradleyhughesgolf.

(01:35:14):
Twitter is a little bitdifficult.
I try and avoid as much of that.
I may get on there and answersome things or some interesting
stuff that I see, but I don'tdivulge much on there because
there's a few too many looniesout there on that one.
But it's, yeah, you'll find me.
There's a lot of good stuff outthere.
You'll just search Bradley,hughesley, hughes and golf and

(01:35:36):
then you'll.
You'll find your way to most ofthose outlets and I appreciate
you for helping me.
Uh, talking about us andspreading the word.
It's, it's.
I know you're very excitedabout it and I appreciate the
the help, but you wouldn't do itif you didn't uh appreciate
what it's done for you.
So thanks very much, man.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Yeah, it's my pleasure, brad, and we're going
to continue to promote.
And you know one thing, on apersonal level, I mean, I've
been playing golf my entire lifeand some of the greatest joys
that I've ever had is improvingin this game.
You know, I mean gettingmarried, yes, having children
absolutely are great joys, butwhen this game is in your soul

(01:36:24):
and you improve, ah man, it'sreally hard to describe.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Yeah, it's really fun , especially if you see it come
out the other end in competitionand you start hitting shots
under the gun that maybe youhaven't hit or you haven't hit
in a long time and it's comingoff the club purposely and where
you want it to go.
It's just a joy.
It really is, so thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Brad, and that's what we all want to do.
We all want to improveAbsolutely.
Hopefully we've got the toolsto do it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Absolutely.
Hit Brad've got the tools to doit.
Absolutely.
Hit Brad up, I promise you.
You can send him a note andtell him that you heard us here
on the pod and he wouldappreciate it and I would
appreciate it.
Brad, thanks again for comingon.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
You're welcome, mate.
Thank you.

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