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Five minutes isn’t intimacy—it’s a blur. We dig into the myth of “average sex time” and make a bold case for slowing down, listening with your hands, and building a rhythm that puts mutual pleasure first. The point isn’t stamina for its own sake; it’s presence. When you stop racing the clock, you start noticing breath, tension, and all the small signals that tell you when to press, when to pause, and when to circle back. That’s where real chemistry lives.

From there, we get candid about privacy and why discretion is a love language. Bragging about private moments, leaking screenshots, or letting the group chat into your bedroom feels like clout—but it costs trust. We talk boundaries that protect both your reputation and your peace, and we unpack how oversharing invites drama and bad decisions. Keeping it quiet isn’t secrecy; it’s respect for the person who trusted you and the moment you shared.

We also call out the difference between intensity and intimacy. Quick thrills can be fun, but connection is what makes sex meaningful—and better. When you care about each other, you slow down, you pay attention, and you learn the cues that make pleasure deeper and safer. That mindset also sharpens your standards: if someone breaks trust or chases attention with your name on it, you can step back without apology. Choose partners who value your energy, keep your business yours, and treat time in the bedroom like time worth savoring.

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
And I know we're gonna make a mama for dinner.

(00:43):
Welcome to four steppers only.
Hey, I'm that motherfucker.
That's that motherfucker.
I'm motherfucking Jack.
That little nigga.
That everybody got down wants tobe the same height ass.
But anyway, hey, I want towelcome y'all to four steppers
only.
Well, we tell y'all to sit downand watch a motherfucking

(01:04):
step-a-step.
So I know shit.
The last time y'all saw me, Iwas on stage.
Um, you know, doing what I dobest.
Hey, they said I shut the shitdown, had everybody after me.
God damn, wanna be like me.
I wanna be, I wanna be likeMike.

(01:25):
But hey, I wanna I wanna thankAthens and Athens IndyCon for
having me on there and giving methe opportunity.
But let's get down to the realshit today.
So me and my my littlewoot-de-woot, you know what I'm
saying?

(01:45):
We were talking, you know, wewere kicking shit back and
forth, you know, we weretalking.
So tell me, so we were having aconversation about how long sex
should last.
Man, this motherfucker told meshit.
That nigga lasts more than 15minutes, shit.
My my shit weak.
I was like, damn, 15 minutes, 15motherfucking minutes.

(02:07):
Fifteen motherfucking minutes.
Man, I ain't ate the box longenough for 15 minutes.
Man, I ain't even warmed up thegoddamn microwave for 15
minutes.
What the fuck, nigga?
Shit.
I'm trying to break this shitdown in ratio.
So I'm trying, I'm talking aboutsome okay five minutes for full
play, five minutes for eatingthe box, five minutes for you
give me top, five minutes,goddamn penetration, five
minutes, goddamn switchpositions.

(02:29):
Shit, I'm already at 30 minutes.
What the fuck y'all doing for 15minutes?
It makes me feel like y'all justin there shrugging shoulders,
goddamn sweating.
I ain't even got enough 15minutes to goddamn build a
sweat.
Because, like, I tellmotherfuckers off the top shit,
hey, shit.
If you want to do something,don't fuck with me.
Shit, play in the street.
It's safer to play in the streetwith cars coming but zooming
back back and forth.

(02:50):
But this motherfucker said 5.4minutes.
Like, I'm sorry, let me go aheadand rewind it.
I read an article that said,sexual ass and the ideals of a
woman, 5.4 minutes.
I know a lot of y'allmotherfuckers in the car, the
females that do listen to me,come and say, shit, that nigga

(03:11):
can't even blow my back out forfive minutes and point five
minutes, and and I'm satisfied.
But I said, we gotta berealistic.
I said, shit, if I if I bustthat quick, shit, I'm gonna go
ahead and tell you this straightup.
I was I was nervous.
I ain't even gonna let you.
I'm gonna go ahead and tell yousome real G shit.
I ain't I'm not even gonna letyou know I got them done, got

(03:34):
them uh already.
I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna letit, I'm gonna, I'm gonna sit
there and kind of try to keepgoing.
You won't you gonna ask me whyI'm over there looking like I'm
I got um I ain't gonna say thatbecause I'm about I'm I was
gonna about to get blocked likea motherfucker.
I about to say some some goddamnsome off-color shit like a
motherfucker.
But in my mind, it's supposed tosay, like, if I'm sitting in

(03:57):
there still stroking, it's likeokay, a female still giving you
head after the goddamn fact thatyou the nut.
But you're gonna be yo yo you'regonna go damn near handicapped,
you're gonna become aparaplegic.
Both of them little legs gonnashrivel up and goddamn, you
ain't gonna have no essence leftin your body.
But for five and five pointfound?

(04:17):
Shit, I'm I'm gonna go ahead andtell y'all.
If if I'm in that motherfuckerand I just uh real fast, boy,
I'm gonna feel the shame ofmyself because 5.4 minutes.
Shit, to be honest with you, Iain't even at five minutes right
now.
But I mean shit, you're supposedto be in that.
I'm gonna go ahead and telly'all my analogy with you know
the whole intercourseinteractions.

(04:38):
I mean, I gotta be in thatmotherfucker.
I can laugh, I can joke, we canlaugh, we can cut up, we can
goddamn be, you know, I I gottabe had that little drip of sweat
that got them action about thedrip on your forehead.
I mean, shit, like I told themotherfucker the other day,
shit.
You gotta be able to put yournose in it, goddamn have that
shit all the way up to yourgoddamn bridge in your nose if
you're doing something right,and you gotta goddamn literally

(04:59):
wipe that shit the fuck off.
It's like, okay, I be hearingmotherfuckers sometimes.
Oh shit, y'all have hit me withthat guac walk 3000.
Okay, you sucking, she's suckingdick longer than five minutes.
So what the fuck are you doingfor five minutes and including
full play in that shit?
Boy, y'all, y'all must be inthere like Sonic.
I'm talking about goddamngoddamn full-blown zero to

(05:21):
sixty, like y'all in a fast lanein Atlanta, like y'all in a
hellcat, like y'all just tryingto run from the police or some
shit.
What y'all in a rush for?
Because I mean, as you shit, yougotta learn, you gotta sit there
and learn an individual.
I hey, it's one thing if y'allare on the way, so like saying
y'all gonna be late for work andyou gotta get herb and get one
in, or y'all about to go in fordinner and y'all and y'all and

(05:44):
got them like hot and horny, ory'all wanna goddamn pull off to
the side.
Shit, I'm with all the fuckshit.
But what you gotta realize isyou gotta be in that
motherfucker to enjoy it.
Enjoy your time in it.
Take your time with it.
Because if you were just in arush, you only worried about
yourself.

(06:04):
So take your time.
What they say on the mutt?
I gotta take my time.
I'm a dog, I'm a mutt.
Somebody slut or something, Idon't know.
I don't know.
But you gotta take your time,don't rush.
Because it's like that, I mean,that's the legitimate thing you

(06:24):
gotta do when you up in thatmotherfucker.
Take your time with it.
I mean, shit.
I ain't gonna go too much intodetail because I believe in like
this.
Like, shit.
If I'm in that motherfucker, Idone ate it before.
It's like you go back in themiddle of the night for a snack.
Shit, just in the middle of yousleeping, you wake up, you get
thirsty, you gotta have a drink.
So sometimes you gotta get outof that motherfucker, go back

(06:44):
down there for a little sippysip, come back up for a kiss, go
back down there for a littlesippy sip again, and goddamn, go
back in that motherfucker.
I mean, shit, that's the way Ibelieve in it.
I mean, shit, you gotta goddamn,you you you're sitting in there
to enjoy the shit, not to rushthrough it.
What's the point of you rushingthrough this shit?
Because I want I want to hearsome of y'all's responses to me

(07:05):
talking about something.
Take your time, Wester Rush.
Do do do do do.
I mean, shit, it's it's theasset, it's the full, it's the
full.
Oh god, I can't even talk rightnow.
God damn.
But I just believe that if youtake your time on a person,

(07:27):
you're gonna get a second goround.
You can't just go in there allwilly nil and think you just
gonna go in that motherfuckerzero to 60, catch yours, and now
she's sitting over there lookingstuck, and you over there
snoring with your mouth wideopen, drooling.
I mean, shit, you gotta youyou're sitting there worrying
about her enjoyment, herpleasure, and everything else in
between.
Take your time on themotherfucking cool de cat.

(07:50):
I mean, suck some nipples,goddamn, eat some pussy, do some
shit, bro.
Put your thumb in the ass.
Goddamn, hit the motherfuckerlike a carburetor.
Goddamn, put the thumb in thebutt motherfucking ass, goddamn,
put your dick in the other holeand keep stroking.
I mean, oh god, I know y'allgonna be like that.
Oh my god.
Hey, look, I told y'all thisshit is raw, uncut, and
unedited.

(08:11):
I do not sugarcoat shit in reallife.
I do not sugarcoat on this shit.
I mean, what's the point ofsugarcoating?
I mean, shit, y'all don't sithere and listen to me for the
sugar coats.
I mean, we sit here and we havefun, we have adult
conversations.
Like I'm telling you, this ain'tfor your kids to be listening
to.
But in retrospect, you gotta sitthere and take your time on it.

(08:35):
If you're rushing, in my views,it's not worth it.
It's like, what, you got a realredo?
You gotta go three, four, five,six, seven, eight, nine rounds.
Nah, take your time on it.
Cause that one round of goddamnhat, y'all both both sweating
profusously and staring at theceiling, like, goddamn, like
high five a nigga talking aboutsomething good gang, cuz.

(08:58):
Like, like y'all, y'all and I'mgonna I'm gonna say this shit,
but don't get me wrong.
I mean, y'all gonna be sittingthere like drooling, like y'all
got them in them specialclasses, like y'all wear a
helmet.
I'm just saying, but it's it'sthere for your enjoyment.
I mean, but but but you lookhold up, pump your brakes.
It's everything else that isbetter for that.

(09:20):
It's when you laugh with amotherfucker, it's when you talk
to somebody, it's showing youthat you care, some that
somebody that is willing tosupport you, grow.
That's what's also gonna make itso much better.
Because I mean, I get asked allthe time, have I ever had a
one-night stand?
No, I've never had one.
I'm like, what's the point?
Me just goddamn getting tipsy,getting drunk, or just wanting

(09:40):
to fuck somebody.
Man, I'd rather go to goddamnporn hook.
Oh, we can't go there no more.
Shit, you gotta have a goddamndriver's license and put in your
driver's license the informationon that shit.

SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
I mean, shit, I'd rather go to X um we gonna we're
gonna go to X video, y'all.
X V-I-D-E-O-S.
Period calm.

SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
Or you go to Twitter.
Shit, because like I tell peopleall the time, they be asking me,
oh JJ.
I said, Well, if we're gonnalook up something and we see
need to see some graphic, let metype this shit in before you
look over this way on myTwitter, because my Twitter be
goddamn on that, on that, whoop,on that nuclear shit.
But in my mind, you got to havesustenance to deal with an

(10:22):
individual because you neverknow what they like or dislike
in those aspects of time thatyou're spending with them.
Because in my mind, that's whatmakes everything so much better
when you're doing it withsomebody that you actually care
about.
You actually want to see themenjoy it, you're actually
worrying about their well-being,you're actually worried about

(10:42):
them because it makes things somuch better because you're
connected on a deeper level thanjust surface.
Sometimes, yes, it's good to beas physically attracted to
somebody, but to be deeplyconnected with them on a deeper
level is so much more.

(11:04):
Now, don't get this shittwisted, don't get this shit
misconscrewed.
Somebody, some people like theygot that motherfucking voodoo
shit between their legs, andthat shit got down how you got
them over there itching andscratching, had your
motherfucking ass singing in thedark, goddamn talking about
something.
I want somewhere in shit, yeah.
I mean, shit, it's gonna haveyou in there talking, let's get
married.

(11:25):
I know everybody's been there.
I know everybody's been there.
They have you got down.
I like I told a motherfucker theother day, I ain't never had
nobody sitting over had me overthere sitting and sucking my
thumb like shit, like I'm justaddicted to the motherfucker.
Shit, I cut a motherfucker offlike goddamn uh like uh gang
green, cut the bitch off.
But you gotta understand.

(11:46):
I mean, shit, with me shit, itit's it's deeper than that.
If I mean, like I told somebodybefore, I said shit, we can sit
there and deal with yourbullshit for so long until we
like this man.
It ain't even worth it, man.
Shit, I'd rather just jack myshit and goddamn be over with
it.
I might have to jack my shitthree, four, five, six, seven,

(12:08):
eight, nine, ten times in a dayto get to get to where I need to
go.
But hey, don't y'allmotherfuckers be out there
judging and shit.
Cause I know y'all motherfuckersover there laughing y'all ass
off because y'all motherfuckersundead it too.
So on some, well, I'm bored.
Let me just I mean shit.
It is what it is.
It is, it ain't what it ain't.
But I mean, shit, the way I lookat certain things, certain

(12:30):
aspects about life, this iswhere we have to go.
This is the the things that weget exposed to because of the
aspects of life that we dealwith.
Because I mean, certain thingsneed to have a deeper
connection.
Because the same way you wantsomebody to go deep and you
can't go deep, that means you'resitting surface level.
That means that you're sittingover there bumping clips with a

(12:50):
motherfucker.
That means you ain't hitting itright.
She ain't gonna be able togoddamn, she ain't gonna be able
to wham-wammy or throw that shitin the circle on your shit.
I'm gonna go ahead and tell youthat right now.
She ain't gonna be she gonna beup there goddamn doing show
shoulder shrugs on your shit.
But it has to be a deeperconnection with the individual
to make it worth doing, to makeit more enjoyable, to make it

(13:13):
more fun, to make it more like.
I mean, shit, to get a nut off,yeah, that's cool.
But what do y'all talk aboutAthel?
I mean, I never heard of heavenand motherfucker again.
Next thing I know, I'm overthere pissing.
I'm over there in the ER talkingabout something, yeah, I've been
burning.
I got a set random text messagetalking about I need to go get

(13:33):
tested.
Shh, I'm glad to God say it.
That ain't never happened to me.
I'm glad to motherfucking God.
Because like I've never been afan of lying on my dick.
If I hit something, I never hitit.
Y'all catch that?
If I did something, the only wayyou're gonna prove that I did it

(13:57):
is being there with a videocamera or you seeing the
evidence.
But to say, like, I'm gonna go,I'm gonna go ahead and tell you
like this.
If I did some shit, I eat thatshit.
I own up to it.
But if somebody, if some randomcomes up to me asking me, oh, I
heard you fuck such and such,man.
I don't know what the fuckyou're talking about.

(14:17):
That I ain't never been there.
I ain't never did no shit likethat.
But that's me and that person'sconversation.
Now when I reach out to thatperson that got down that I was
doing the woot-to-woot with Oh,we're gonna have we're gonna
have some, we're gonna have somewords.
Because the way I view shit isif you weren't present during

(14:40):
the the exchange, the session,the exercise, the intimate
moment, why the fuck do you needto be included in what the fuck
happened?
I'm just saying.
Because the way I view shit isif you if you gonna be involved
in it, shit, next thing I know,shit, you're gonna be wanting to
test the shit out.
If you won't want to test theshit out, that's the that's the

(15:01):
way it's gonna rock.
Why the fuck do I need to haveyou involved into my bullshit?
Because guess what?
You ain't contributing to noneof none none of the shit I got
going on.
I mind the business that paysme.
Let me run that back for y'all.
Because I know that a lot ofy'all motherfuckers are media
little slow.

(15:21):
I mind the business that paysme.
Because if I gotta tell ally'all peon motherfuckers that,
yeah, I hit that, I should neverbe invited to hit it again.
I should never be invited tosniff it, smell it, taste it, be
even close in the vicinity ofit.

(15:41):
Because that was an intimatemail.
That's a private moment.
Shit, if it's meant to begoddamn be safe, shit, I'd
invite you to watch it.
I'd invite you to record it.
Shit, we can goddamn start agoddamn look, you know, a
private Snapchat, a fenster, oranything else.
And so let me watch it, let youwatch me slut this motherfucker
out.
But guess what?
You weren't invited, so thatmeans you weren't included.

(16:04):
So why the fuck do I need togoddamn tell you every detail
that goes on?
Because you are not included.
Everybody doesn't need to knoweverything that happens.
So why the fuck should you beincluded?
Because then you you're lookingat your homegirls at home, boy.
When you're talking aboutsomething, yeah, that

(16:25):
motherfucker sucked my dick inthe parking lot on my way home
from bro.
Now he's gonna be goddamncurious about how that
motherfucker top feel, how thatbottom feel, how the third hole
feel.
And that's not they're not privyto that information.
Unless you just don't give afuck about that motherfucker,
then you shouldn't have beenfucking them in the first place.

(16:45):
And you deserve to be, youshould you deserve to be born
burned.
I'm gonna go, I mean, thatsounds harsh.
You just should you deserve tobe pissing fire.
Because like I've said inprevious episodes, every dick
ain't meant to be sucked andevery every pussy ain't meant to
be fucked.
I mean shit.
That's like I was I was hearingabout one dude.

(17:06):
Um, shot up goddamn put him onblast real bad.
Like, I mean, real bad.
She was showing other niggas thetext messages, letting the
niggas see the screenshots,talking about some um uh shit.
We was supposed to go to churchtogether, but he just wanted to
eat the box.
What the fuck?
What enjoyment you get out ofthat?

(17:27):
Like, why why should you letanother nigga know?
Then, next thing I know, likelet me I'm gonna give you a
little perfect example.
Next thing I know, themotherfucker tried to come at
me.
Man, what the fuck?
You you you thought you werefucking with Buddy then?
Shot, I'm gonna cuss you thefuck out for goddamn leaking the

(17:48):
information because I mean shitto me, like I look at it like
this.
If you want to screen, say a uhshare a screenshot, you might as
well go look work for the feds.
Because you a whole snitch.
Because I mean you a rap.
Because there's no reason thatyou should have you should have
leaked that personalinformation, that personal
conversation between you and I.

(18:09):
With me saying, shoot, oh, letme come over there and
da-da-da-da.
Why the fuck you tellinganybody?
That ain't their place to know,that ain't your place to tell.
So you look like a whole fuckinggoofy.
Now shit, I know you, I knowyour information.
Now you telling me, oh, let mefuck with you.
I saw you would deal with Buddythen.
I can't do it.
Ain't no way, shape, form, orfashion.

(18:31):
Go fuck yourself.
That's safer to do.
You can go trials with somebodyelse.
Oh shit, I ain't gonna run mymouth and shit.
He just pissed me off.
Do I look like Boo Boo themotherfucking fool to you?
Do I look like dirt the dirt toyou?
Shout out, do I look slow?
Do I have retard across myforehead?
I'm just saying.
I mean, shit, whatever youtelling me ain't gonna goddamn

(18:53):
replace what you did to youractions because you already
showed the true colors.
We already seen that it'sevident, and and and the
motherfucker that you told it tois a mouth of the south.
So why should I even fuck withyou on any caliber, any even a
blink of an eye, even a inkling,why should I mess with you?
It sounds retarded to me, itsounds stupidly retarded to me.

(19:17):
Because there's no way I caneven waste my time even looking
in your direction and saying,Oh, that might be cool.
She just did it one time.
Man, if that motherfucker did itone time, she'll do it too.
If she did it two times, she'lldo it three.
But that's the idea is thatbecause I'm gonna I'm gonna go
ahead and tell you the way I wasraised, we don't do shit like

(19:41):
that.
We don't talk about it.
The only way you know I'mfucking with somebody is like,
oh yeah, shit, I fuck with bootwhoop.
Oh, me and my little boot bootfinna go out to eat.
Oh yeah, I'm spending time mylittle boot boot.
I ain't finna leak no otherprivate information.
I ain't finna tell you, boy,that motherfucker took me up
through the.
I ain't never gonna do that.

(20:02):
Never, never.
We don't leak viable informationbecause, like I say, everybody
ain't your friend, anybody ain'tyour associate.
Even blood will screw you over,even your goddamn grandpa with
the wrinkly balls might screwyou over.
So I mean shit, he might goddamntell me something, hey, hey,
what you doing, young lady?
He might slip and slide all overthere.

(20:24):
Next thing I know you got themdirty uncle that you that you
know pay for pussy, goddamngonna be over there at your old
lady at the goddamn Thanksgivingdinner, trying to stuff her
turkey.
You get what I'm saying?
Trying to feel a trying to glazeher like a donut, and just
trying to pay, let me pay alittle bill or something, what's
up?
Show me some, some weird shitlike that.
So, how do you find thatacceptable?

(20:45):
How do you find that cool?
How do you find that cohesive toyour situation?
It's just like shit, hey, that'swhy a lot of motherfuckers tell
you, hey, I fucked on Tuesdayand kicked the hoe right at the
spot.
Hey, because she be she decidedto fuck with butt in them,

(21:06):
niggas gonna be having a lot.
Because like, like, like, Imean, you can't goddamn I like I
tell people all the time, likethis, just because the grass
greener over there don't meanthis shit better.
It just means it's fertilizedwith more bullshit.
I'm gonna go ahead and telly'all a little secret.
Like, since y'all been listeningto this long, shit.
I was dealing with this girl,she ended up cheating on me.

(21:29):
She ended up getting over buddyhouse.
The nigga only had a mattress onthe floor and a PlayStation.
That's all the nigga had in thishouse.
But shit, I was catering to you.
I made sure you have everythingyou had.
I make sure you were up andproper.
But you decided who do you wantto fuck with on top of it?

(21:50):
So you do what you do, you goover there and fuck with buddy
on.
Shit, I don't want it no more.
Shit, he can take care of thatbill.
I don't want it no more.
Shit, I rey, my peace is mypeace.
My presence is my presence.
Once you lose, once I lose mypeace and my presence with you,
shit, we ain't got no usefulnesson you no more.
Can't fuck with you no more.
Can't even give you aconversation because guess what?

(22:11):
Shit, I know my slick ass mouth.
I'ma throw some shit, slick assshots at you.
They're gonna have you lookingat me like, damn, I know I
nigga, I know you just ain't saythat.
Big facts, I did say that.
Took that shot, it was personal,but that shit, it was meant to
hit, and that shit was meant tohit like a bullet going through
your vest.
That shit was a green tip.

(22:33):
If y'all know what green tip is,no, no, that's armor piercing.
I want you to hit it right in aspot.
This spot right here, yourheart.
I want you to remember thatshit, I want you to feel it
burn.
Cause guess what?
You won't be throwing that whamin a circle over this way.
And I ain't catching shit.
Only thing you catching from meis straight.

(22:54):
I'm throwing straight flame atyou.
On here.
No fuck yet.
So, but I wanna let thank y'allfor listening to four steppers
on y'all.
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

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