Experimenting Until You Go ALL IN with ONE THING (Rebecca Tracey)

Learn to build an UNCAGED LIFE (and work just a few hours a week)

The true grit of entrepreneurship isn't found in a flawless logo or a sleek website—it's in the learning curve of taking action, the resilience to focus on what works, and the wisdom to outsource effectively.

Rebecca started The Uncaged Life in 2011 as a way to be able to work from anywhere. After 12 years of experimenting with what works and what she enjoys doing, she's found one offer for her business she's gone ALL IN on. Now? She employs a virtual team and works only a few hours a week (#goals).

Key Takeaways: 

• How real confidence stems from hands-on experience, not from immaculate branding.
• By embracing part-time work to support our ventures, we strike a balance that fuels growth without the burnout.
• Benefits of niching (for now) and offering your services for free to start
• Creating offers that allow you to turn on revenue when you need it 
  
  

Resources: 

• Uncage Your Life for Coaches (work with Rebecca)
• NEW: Your Next 90 Days (coaching  + accountability program w Sam)
• Get 10% off your first Fiverr order with this link

 
About the show:

Sam Laliberte -  entrepreneur, digital nomad and freedom seeker, hosts the Freedom Lifestyle Podcast to expose people to the many ways you can design your dream life and unlock your own version of the freedom lifestyle. Her guests have empowered themselves through flexible work as a way to “have it all” - financial, location AND schedule freedom.

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designing her dream life now for12 years.
She started her business, theUncaged Life, back in 2011, all
in an effort for her to be ableto work from anywhere in the
world.
It actually starts when her andher boyfriend at the time
decided to quit their job, buy avan and go rock climbing for an

(01:28):
entire year, she figured, hey,if I'm gonna be in a van having
low expenses for an entire year,why don't I use this as an
opportunity to also build abusiness that I can then lean on
after this year is up?
She now employs a virtual teamand she truly has the financial
freedom to take on whateverlife's challenge that she wants

(01:50):
to take on.
Right now she's going throughthe process of family planning
and she talks really openlyabout how her business is
supporting that phase of herlife that she's now in.
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I think you're gonna love thisconversation.
You're gonna learn a lot, so onthat note, meet Rebecca.
Rebecca, welcome to the FreedomLifestyle podcast.
How's your day going so far?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Hi, I'm so excited to finally talk with you.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I know we've been internet friends for a couple of
years now, but finally I'mhearing your voice, actually
talking to you properly it'sgreat.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Maybe next we'll meet in person, since we do live in
the same town, literally.
Yeah, my world is so funny forthat.
I like there's so many peoplewho I live close to, but like we
only talk through the internet.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, that was gonna be one of my first questions
that I ask all my guests when inthe world are you taking this
call?
If you weren't in an interviewwith me, what would you be doing
?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm in Squamish, squamish BC.
If I wasn't on this interview,I I don't know might be taking
my dog out for a rainy dog walk,probably, or on this time of
day, it depends on if it'sraining out or not.
So it's currently not raining,so I'd probably be walking my
dog.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, you said in the form that you have a lot more
free time.
How many hours would you sayyou're working a day?
Is there like a set schedule?
Wow?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Which day, which day.
Some days I don't work at all.
Some days, you know, if I'mgoing into a launch or there's a
heavy work period coming up,five hours would be like a long
time for me to be sitting andworking.
I would say Some days I'll doan hour in the morning, chat
with my team and then I'm kindof out and about running errands
and then sometimes I'll hop onon a Saturday and write some

(04:34):
launch emails.
So I always struggle whenpeople are like how many hours a
week do you work?
I'm like what week?
Sometimes zero, sometimes likeI don't know how I don't have a
good max, whatever be over 30,.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
But yeah, and that's just a testament to how you've
built out your business, which Iknow we're gonna dive into
today, but I'm guessing it's amix of active, a mix of passive,
some outsourcing.
How would you describe yourbusiness?
If someone says what do you do,Rebecca?
How do you answer that?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I run a business where we sell a course,
so it's kind of a coursecoaching hybrid model.
I teach marketing to newbusiness owners basically, and
it's a program that's open allyear round so people can always
sign up for it.
I coach in the program twice amonth.
I have some other coaches inthere and then I have a team
that works with me as well, acouple full-time employees, and

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so there's lots of kind ofbehind the scenes work, chatting
with them and then a coupleother little things here and
there that we sell throughoutthe year.
But primarily I've been verylaser focused on growing one
program and putting everythinginto that, versus trying to muck
around with too many shinyobjects, too many other programs
.
Been there, done that.
I've been doing this for 12years now, and so I'm just so

(05:44):
focused on what I know I wannasell and I'm past the shiny
object phase, which I can sayI'm very happy about.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Congratulations.
I think that's where so many ofus wanna get.
But you know, first coupleyears in business.
So much of it isexperimentation Planting seeds,
figuring out what has productmarket fit, figuring out what
you like to offer, figuring outwhat you can scale, what has
evergreen power.
How long have you been offeringthis course that you now are

(06:12):
all in on?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Since 2013.
So 10 years it's just changed.
I wouldn't say it's changedentirely.
It's definitely changed andevolved and grown and gotten
better over the years.
But, yeah, 10 years of runningUncaged your Business, which is
crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's so interesting .
Yeah, I feel like that's rareto hear.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I have no desire to like throw it all away and start
something new.
I'm like why would I ever dothat?
Like I have a money maker, Ihave something I like doing.
It gets such good results nowbecause we've been doing it for
so long, and so I don'tunderstand.
When people like blow up theirbusiness, I'm like no, no, no
like go all in, amazing, and sothis product.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
You said it also helps business owners with
marketing, but I know a big partof your mission and your vision
is to help people create theirown uncaged life.
So I thought we would try toget into your story about what
does being uncaged even mean foryou, by starting with what did
Caged Rebecca look like?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
You know I wish I like before I can say that I've
only been caged in liketraditional nine to five job for
like six months of my life, solike I've gotten off pretty well
.
That was actually when I firstmoved to Vancouver and I had
just graduated from universityand did a whole bunch of
traveling and then moved toVancouver and was like I guess

(07:37):
it's time to get a real job.
And then I did it for sixmonths and I was like F this and
then I got out.
So then for the many, manyyears after that I was mostly
working in service jobsbartending, serving at
restaurants, anything where Icould.
The more I worked, the moremoney I make.
I've always liked that model.
And then where I could take alot of time off, where there's
flexibility to switch aroundshifts and go away and then come

(07:59):
back and even like quit my joband just get another one when I
got home, and so it's.
Even though it's not very caged, there was still an element to
it where I found number one likeI was making good money but it
could have stood to make moreand I was getting in a lot of
trouble for taking so much timeoff.
It sounds like bosses didn'tenjoy that as much as I enjoyed
it.
So it got to the point where Iwas like I need to do something

(08:22):
where I can take as much timeoff as I want, because I was
like literally getting firedfrom jobs for taking too much
time off.
So that felt caged to me.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Okay, so it was ultimately about you didn't feel
like the way you wanted to livewas sustainable in terms of a
career.
How did you make the connectionfrom that into having your own
business?
Was that role modeled to you byanyone in your life?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
No, definitely not.
I had always thought I want tohave a business, but I was like
I have no idea what I could do,and so I went back to school a
couple of times.
I went back and did a nutritionprogram at the Institute of
Holistic Nutrition in Toronto.
I did a life coaching program.
I was working very part-timefor this kind of online wellness
company at the time and theywere like making me do all this

(09:05):
online business stuff that Iliterally knew nothing about.
They were like go and docontests on Twitter, and it was
my first time being on Twitter.
I was like doing all of thisonline business stuff, getting
paid minimum wage, and so I waskind of learning that piece and
I thought that the business wasactually going to be nutrition.
And I actually started mybusiness as a health coach and
winding roads as they do to mesomewhere else.

(09:26):
But I think the health coachingpiece was like I need a skill
that I can sell.
Basically, I was like it's notgoing to be a product.
I'm not crafty, I'm not goingto start an Etsy shop or
anything like that.
So to me it was like a service.
It always felt like a servicewould give me the most
flexibility.
And so I was like, what skillcan I go and learn that I can
then go and sell?
And so I kind of went inthrough the health coaching
slash life coaching route at thebeginning.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And then how quickly did you move on from okay, I'm
offering this as a one-on-oneservice to realizing that this
wasn't scalable, because yousaid you like to, the more you
work, the more money you make,and that technically, would be
that type of business, butbringing the line and turning it
into a product is ultimatelywhat you ended up doing, right.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, I mean, that was many, many years.
Because first there was likewhat is this?
Is it health coaching?
Is it life coaching?
All the people that I waspracticing my life coaching
skills on because I was doing atraining at the time with the
Coaches Training Institute wereall my other nutrition buddies
and my other life coach friends,and so I was like just
practicing coaching on them andthe thing that they all wanted
was to like start their ownbusiness.

(10:28):
But they didn't know what theywere gonna do, and so I was kind
of coming at that from a lifecoaching angle.
And then I was also being likeI work for this online marketing
company and like here's thethings I'm learning, and so I
was teaching them these things.
So then I was like trying to.
It took a while of figuring outlike what actually is this
business, and I had toeventually cut some things and I
realized it wasn't clear, andso it was probably a year of

(10:50):
like kind of trying outdifferent things before I
dropped the nutrition altogether.
And then I was really focusingon coaching and I would never
call myself a business coach ormarket or anything.
That probably took like threeyears to get to that.
So I was doing a lot ofone-on-one and kind of mucking
around as you do.
Once I really figured that out,I niched in and I was more
confident with the things that Iwas teaching people.
Then I tried everything.

(11:11):
I tried doing like VIP days, Itried selling an online course
which nobody bought.
I tried doing small groupprograms and so I kind of I
tried doing retreats and I kindof threw everything into the mix
to just see what worked, what Iliked, what was marketable at
the beginning, and then I madedecisions from that place.
But that is still a few years.
There was a couple of years,for sure, of just figuring out
like what is this.

(11:31):
What am I?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
actually selling and so much of your story and
journey has been learning on thego, experimenting, seeing how
the market responds.
Is that how you teach?
Like if I came to you and Isaid, rebecca, I'm Caged, you
want to start to have a business.
In hindsight, could you havecut the line, do you think, and
got to where you are now anddone research ahead of time?

(11:52):
Or do you think this is part ofthe process?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean I'm sure I should have could have short cut
some time with like some goodcoaching.
It's part of the process, likeyou just can't sit back and plan
it on paper and then go out andlaunch it.
It doesn't work that way, andso the way that you get to that
clarity is trying things out.
I always say to my students I'mlike I want you to be like 50%
clear, like once you're like Ikind of know.
Then I'm like great, go andwork with five people and like

(12:15):
see how it goes, cause it's partof the process and of course,
all kinds of some mindset stuffcomes in when you go out to try
to do something and you don'teven really know what you're
doing.
But I definitely think that youhave to start putting stuff into
action to see, cause I haveseen I'm sure you've seen this
too people sit behind the scenesand have journals full of notes
about the business and fancytaglines and they're looking at

(12:35):
brand colors and they've likeplanned the whole thing.
And sometimes they go out anddo it and they're like oh, I
actually don't, really don'tlike this.
So it's been all this planningbehind the scenes and it doesn't
guarantee that it's going to besuccessful.
So the faster you can get todoing it, I think, the faster
that clarity is going to comeand the more you're going to
find the thing that you do wantto do, even if it's not the
initial thing that you set outto do.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Totally, especially with service-based businesses.
I find so often people will belike well, should this be the
name for my business?
Where do you think I should buymy website domain?
Do you think I should getbusiness cards?
Oh my God, you're like who cares, and with that I'm like
literally go see if someone willpay you to do the service.
That's going to happen so muchquicker than any of this other

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stuff.
That can all happen and Idefinitely have all of those
brand elements now, but when Iwas beginning it was open Gmail.
Who do I know, who do I thinkcould use my service and start a
conversation?
Yeah, I agree, you mentionedmindset blockers is something
that you're finding your clientshaving to overcome with you.
Is there any type of advicethat you find yourself giving

(13:41):
over and over again or thingsthat just are common themes that
trip up early stageentrepreneurs?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, I mean because so I work with service
businesses, so a big piece ofwhat we do is like niching and
trying to figure out who am Igoing to work with.
And there's so much pressurethat I think new business owners
put on finding that thing andfiguring out the niche, and so I
really try to encourage them tothink of it as a niche for now.
Or you're creating one offerfor one person and you're going

(14:11):
to go sell it to five people andyou're going to see how that
goes and so kind of taking thepressure off of this being the
forever thing.
And I think, if you think aboutit in the reverse so unlike
what you were saying, which islike I need to get my domain and
my business card and my website, all of that stuff is for when
you worked with 20 clients youdon't need any of that to
actually get clients.
And so if you think of it aslike, OK, I'm just testing it

(14:33):
out, I'm playing around, I'mseeing, like you said, who's
going to pay me for what, itjust takes the pressure off.
There's a whole perfectionismpiece that comes in.
I think people think that ifthey can squeeze it so tightly
behind the scenes and get thebrand colors and have it feel,
look professional and soundprofessional, then it's going to
help them feel more confident.
And it doesn't.
Sometimes it's worse, actually,because then I've seen people

(14:56):
publish a website and everythinglooks nice and it looks like
they know what they're doing andinside they're like I have no
idea what it is.
If somebody were to hire me, Ihave no idea what to do with
them.
I've definitely seen that.
So I think you build theconfidence as you start to
actually do things and justnotice if you're like squeezing
too much behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, I think you touched on a really good point
about sometimes we're hidingbehind all these flashy things
in order to gain the confidenceto go out and do the thing.
But the confidence really hasto come from within.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, yeah, you can't like brand your way to
confidence, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, what do you attribute your confidence or
your courage to do this yourselfto?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I started my coaching actually with practice clients,
which I totally recommend.
I recommend whatever you'redoing, if it's a service, do it
for free, to get confident,because it's going to feel so
much better.
When someone finally gave memoney, yes, I was still scared,
but I'd already done the thingenough times and I was like, ok,
somebody's given me money but Ican do this, whereas if
somebody had just given me moneyright off the bat and I had
never actually practiced thiswith a bunch of different

(16:00):
practice beta clients, I wouldhave been freaking out.
I would have been so scared.
So you don't want to be scaredwhen someone's giving you money.
Right, you want to be like, yes, I've got this, even if it's a
little nerve-wracking becausenow there's a money exchange.
But, yeah, I think I justpracticed.
I let the first clients that Ihad know that I was practicing.
I just took the pressure offthe table.
I was like I'm practicing, it'sfree in exchange for you

(16:23):
telling me honestly how it'sgoing.
Looking at the results, if youlove it, you can give me a
testimonial.
If you don't, no problem.
And so I just took the pressureoff.
At the beginning I was stillnervous and I didn't have a lot
of confidence, but it helped meactually get into action more
than if I'd been trying to puton this picture, as if I knew
exactly what I was doing and Iwas so confident we were going
to get you there.
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You mentioned taking the pressure off.
Something I often tellentrepreneurs is try to take the
pressure off of this needing topay all of your bills and this
new business paying all of yourbills.
My sweet spot is have some typeof part-time, flexible income
source that covers your basicneeds so that you can actually

(17:04):
have your business move at thepace that it naturally should
move at.
So it's enjoyable throughoutthe whole process because people
can sense if you're desperatefor that and you like really
needed and that's not a powerfulenergy.
So how are you able to do thatfor yourself?
Because you went on yourbusiness all in or did you have
a revenue stream?
You kept.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah.
So actually the one thing wedidn't talk about but funny, the
first year my business was, Idecided I was going to go for it
and I was like, okay, I'mstarting this thing, it's
happening.
And at the time my boyfriend atthe time and I were talking
about doing a year long rockclimbing trip.
We bought this like old Chevy81 camper van and we were going
to go like tour the US andCanada for a year and I was like
I don't want to wait.
I was 30 at the time.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I was like I don't want to wait another year to do
this, and so I was like I'm justgoing to do it on the road, I'm
just going to start my businessliving in a van.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
The great part about it is your expenses are really
low.
You don't have.
You know, I was living inToronto, so I didn't have my
Toronto rent.
We were just cooking meals inthe van.
We were rock climbing, which isfree, and so it was really
actually easy to be quite cheap.
So I didn't need a lot of moneycoming in, and so that was my
first year and I don't recommendit.
It was hard to balance, likewhen do I go a whole up in a

(18:12):
Starbucks and work and when do Iactually just go enjoy rock
climbing?
And anytime I was doing one Ifelt like I should be doing the
other one.
So that was a tough balance,but it afforded me time to play
around and build up some onlinecontent, start to build
relationships in like a way thatI just didn't have this
financial pressure.
And then, when we got back fromthat trip, I went and got a job

(18:33):
and I had sworn when I quit thejob.
Before that I was like I amnever working at a restaurant
again.
I am done, I'm going all in onthe thing and like quickly
realize that you need more thanjust a year before you're going
to be replacing your full timeincome.
And so I got back to Toronto andI sucked at my pride and I was
like going back to my restaurantjob, but this time I felt like
it was with intention, where I Icould see that now every shift

(18:56):
I was taking was like funding mybusiness.
So I was like great, I need$1,000 to go build this basic
website.
And so I pick up some extrabartending shifts.
And so work became more fun andmore intentional, and I knew
that it was temporary and so Ididn't mind doing it, because I
knew that it was going to befunding the business and I
eventually was able to, you know, drop down to two shifts a week
and focus more on the business.

(19:17):
And then I eventually got to aplace where I could quit
altogether.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, having a direct application for that money and
seeing how it's funding a biggerdream directly can help us suck
up.
You know the shitty things Iremember.
First one out on my own.
I was trying to figure out whatare my monetizable skills and
the first gig I got wascopywriting and it was for like

(19:43):
10 cents a word or somethinglike that Her word 2017.
Such a bad model Right.
And it was great because it wasmy friend who hired me, who had
a business, who just wanted tosupport me and figure out how to
use me.
But I hated it.
I hated every word, literally,that I wrote, but I was able to

(20:03):
suck it up and do it with asmuch of a smile as possible
because there was something somuch bigger that I was building,
which, for me, was the abilityto work from anywhere, the
ability to go visit my boyfriend, who was in San Francisco when
I was in Toronto and go to work.
I was in Toronto and couldn'tget a work visa there and I had
that really strong why youmentioned you had a Y of like
okay, well, this isn'tsustainable.

(20:24):
But what are some more aspectsof what was driving you in terms
of the lifestyle you wanted tobe living?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I mean, yeah, so a big piece of it was time freedom
, like just being able to gowhen I wanted, to go where I
wanted, and I was in a luxuryand I.
It's just something that I thatI knew was important to me.
You know, there was also thepiece of just doing work that I
liked doing like I had neverfound a career path that felt

(20:52):
like it was something that Iwould actually enjoy or want to
stay in, and so I kind ofresorted to going back to
bartending and just doing thosejobs to fill in.
I just tried different thingsand I just didn't.
Nothing felt good and I justassumed that I would never have
a career that I like loved.
You know, I was like, well,maybe that's just not going to
be what it is.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
And did you know anyone around you that had
careers they loved or what wereyour friends kind of doing?
What was around you?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
What were they doing?
It was interesting because Itraveled so much that a lot of
the people that I met were likealso kind of vagabonding around
and didn't have real jobs.
Maybe it was part of it was Iwas conflating the work I was
doing with like the lifestylethat it was forcing me into,
which was like going to anoffice every day and like not
controlling my time, and so itmight have been that piece that

(21:38):
I was like.
I'm just not down with this.
I'm not someone who thinks thework you're doing has to be like
the thing you're mostpassionate about and the be all
and all I'm like.
I just think you have to likeit enough to keep doing it and
get paid well and take time off.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah, so many people put pressure on themselves to
find their work purpose and thatperfect mix of making an impact
, having fun, making the money,all of those things.
I'm just like what kind oflifestyle do you want to live?
Like, how do you spend each day, each month, each year and can
you create a work opportunitythat supports that, whether it's
remote work, having your ownbusiness, freelance, but I mean

(22:14):
great.
Whenever I come across anentrepreneur, that's also like
I'm changing the world as well.
I'm like, wow, I continue towant to do more and more of that
and I'm really continue tryingto think about how to make an
impact.
But for the most part, it'slike what kind of life do you
want to live?
And just try to focus on beinghappy, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, yeah, and finding work that lines up with
that.
So, like if I hated coaching,the cool thing is I'm helping
other people start businessesthat let them have this kind of
freedom, so I am passionateabout that.
If I hated coaching and hatedtalking to people, sure I
wouldn't choose this businessmodel.
I would choose something elsewhere I'm like hands off and
don't actually have to deal withpeople.

(22:52):
But I found a lot offulfillment in running my own
business, building a team,helping people that I just never
thought I would have.
I like you know I like it.
There's days I hate it.
There's good things, there'sbad things.
I don't think you're ever goingto love every aspect of your
own business, because there'sjust shit work that you have to
do that you know you don't wantto do and that you can't
outsource sometimes.
But I think I have foundfulfillment in this path that I

(23:16):
totally didn't expect.
I just kind of thought, well,if I can have a lot of time off,
like that's all I need, andit's been so much more rewarding
than that, obviously.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
You put in the form that location freedom was a big
driver for you, that you wantedto be able to be anywhere, work
from anywhere.
Do you remember, before you hadthis life, like having to say
no to things Like?
Is there anything that sticksout?
Well, never forget not beingable to be where I wanted to be,
and I was thinking that I would.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
So I remember leaving jobs so that I could go on the
trips and do the things.
So like the thing I would sayno to was the work where I was
like, well, like I'm myboyfriend and I want to go
travel in Guatemala andNicaragua for two months and I
have this job, and like I wouldjust quit the job and go do the
thing and then come back andfind another job.
So I never let that side win.

(24:03):
I always chose the location,freedom.
And to me I've always just hadan attitude of like money comes,
money goes.
I didn't grow up with a lot ofmoney, coming from a privileged
place, like I didn't grow upwith, you know, oodles of money
and parents just giving me money.
But I kind of just was like youknow, I can just work and find
another job, I find need moneyand then I'll go spend the money
and then let's come back andmake more money.
And so I always kind of hadthat attitude and I, you know,

(24:25):
when I traveled I was going tovery cheap places where we were
not spending very much money atall.
It wasn't luxury travel by anymeans.
I was in my twenties, it waslike backpacking around
Nicaragua, you know that kind ofthing, but I always chose the
location, freedom, over the,whatever job I was in.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, that was my initial motivator as well, and
it was so exciting when I firstrealized I could have a business
, that I could run from anywhereand I would try to go to as
many countries as possible,collect the passport stamps, the
world, my oyster.
And seven years in, I'm in mymid thirties.
Now I it has lost a little bitof its appeal a little bit.

(25:02):
I'm not saying I want to be inSquamish all year it's November
and it's raining every day andthere's definitely some times I
want to get away.
But I would say my definitionof freedom has really evolved
with me.
How would you say yours hasevolved with you in terms of
where you're at?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
now it has definitely changed.
Like for sure, being able tomove to somewhere, like Squamish
, leaving a big city likeToronto where I felt like when I
lived in Toronto I was alwaysleaving.
I was like, okay, I'll come andI'll do my launch and hustle
and then I'm going to go andclimb for two months in Colorado
or go somewhere.
So I was always like justworking a lot so that I could
leave Toronto and so being ableto move to a place and this is

(25:40):
pre-COVID.
I know now with COVID lots ofpeople have remote jobs, but
pre-COVID it was so great to beable to move to a place that I
actually wanted to live in.
Like I don't feel like I needto escape as much because I live
in a place that I just am soobsessed with.
But even outside of that Ithink I barely travel
internationally anymore it feelsexhausting to me.
Now it's like not something thatI'm not interested in, but more

(26:02):
recently, location freedom isgetting won over, I think, by
time freedom.
So just having the flexibilityin my schedule to be able to go
to appointments in the middle ofthe day or work my schedule in
a way that works for me, even ifI'm just like hunkering down at
home.
So I've been doing IVF allsummer.
So my partner and I are old andwe were like let's try and have

(26:24):
a baby.
Even just going through thatprocess, I was so grateful I'm
in all these IVF Facebook groupsand the egg retrieval process
is a big one and people feelterrible afterwards and people
are all discussing like how muchtime off work do you have to
take?
And it was just so grateful tonot have to even worry about
that.
I was like I can take as muchtime as I need, I can go to all
these appointments.

(26:44):
I can feel terrible and like itdoesn't matter, it's not
impacting my business or my work, I'm not having to answer to
some boss or show up when I'mall hormonal because I'm full of
all these drugs.
And that was, I think, a hugerealization that I'm just so
grateful to have built that formyself, that, even if it's not
this fun exotic travel, the timefreedom has been so valuable.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Totally.
Yeah, thanks for sharing that.
I can relate to that in so manyways of just saying yes to
things without worrying about arepercussion, of having to be
back at Monday morning 9 am inan office, just ready to just be
stimulated and just put on thepressure.
I see people doing that.
I see people saying no to funexperiences because just even

(27:29):
the thought of having to be backat work on Monday is daunting
to them.
And, yeah, having a businessthat can work with your energy
and move at your pace is it's soincredible and it's why we try
to help other people have thisright.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah.
I remember when I startedthinking like I don't need that
much money, like I could liveoff 50K a year pretty easily.
Whatever I was used to being abroke student and then just like
a broke bartender.
Now obviously it's a decadelater.
My business has grown a lot.
I do have that financialfreedom and even that through
the IVF process.
Again, people are talking abouthow they have to go get
part-time jobs at Starbucksbecause Starbucks covers it.

(28:06):
I live in BC.
There's no coverage here, andso how do you pay for 35 grand
in Like who just has an extra35K sitting around?
And even that I was like I'm sograteful that I've built
something where I can make moremoney when I need to.
It's easy for me to pick upmore clients, run another
promotion Like.
I have an asset that I cangenerate more money from when I

(28:26):
need to, and when I don't needto I take more chill time, and
that again, that's huge.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I love that, so you literally feel like you can just
turn on your business a littlebit If you're like, ok, I have
an unexpected cost this yearjust means I'm going to work a
little bit harder and I havethat buffer because I'm barely
working 30 hours a week, you canturn it on.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, I mean, it's not as easy as just like that,
but sometimes it's not.
Sometimes I'm like I'll just dothis quick launch and I'm like,
oh, it's never as easy as Ithink, but the capacity is for
sure there.
I've been doing this for 12years, so I've built it over
that time.
But you've got to startsomewhere and the sooner you
start, the sooner you get tothis place, right.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, I sell one-on-one consult calls on a
website called Fiverr andthey're pretty lucrative.
At any time someone can justbuy a call with me and I know
that if I reduce my rate alittle bit on the marketplace,
all of a sudden I can have likethree calls booked.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I don't think I knew that you were doing that on
Fiverr.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah, I do find some clients on Fiverr and I keep it
at a high rate because I don'twant to be doing more than a
couple of weeks.
But my example of that is acouple of weeks ago I really
wanted to buy the Dyson Airwrapand it was like this $800
premium, luxurious, notnecessary product that I just
really wanted.
And I felt like you know whatI'll just do.

(29:46):
a couple extra Fiverr callsreduce the rate $10 an hour.
It plays with the algorithm.
I get more clients and that'skind of how I turn it on.
What would that look like foryou in your business model if
you wanted to make some extramoney?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah.
So now it's like we have theways we normally make money.
I could open up one-on-onespots.
I don't do a lot of one-on-onethese days, but I could easily
open up one-on-one slots becauseI don't do them and I have a
large audience.
They'd be pretty easy to fill.
I'm always weighing though,like is it worth doing 10
one-on-ones or can I sell onemore spot on my program?
I could do a flash sale.

(30:24):
We have a couple of kind ofsmaller digital courses and
digital products that some ofthem are kind of behind the
scenes.
Some of them are stuff we areselling but we're just not
putting any active energy into.
So we can often do a littleflash sale, something like that.
We just did an affiliatepromotion for one of my friends'
courses, who sells a course onnetworking, and so she came in,
did a webinar for my audienceand then sold it on the back end

(30:46):
and so that we sold.
I can't remember how many sold.
I think I made about $8,000from that.
So I'm not getting $8,000 ofevery dollar that comes in, you
know, but just in terms ofgrowing the gross revenue in the
company, there's lots of littleways like that throughout the
year that we can kind of fill inthose gaps if we need an extra
little boost and I'm surethere's more I could do I'm just

(31:07):
always weighing the energy itwould take me to create a new
offer or create a new thingversus do we put just a bit more
marketing into what we'realready selling.
So that's kind of more thestrategic thinking of it.
But there's lots I could do.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Amazing.
You mentioned outsourcing.
You said, I think, earlierthere's just some things you
can't outsource.
I'm curious what does your teamlook like and what are the
things that you feel you justcan't outsource?
And they just got to be Rebecca.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
So I have two full-time employees.
One is I don't know what youcall her project manager,
business manager person, kind ofoverseeing all the other
employees and contractors, andthen a full-time marketing
person.
And then a part-time contractorwho is a virtual assistant who
does a lot of the admin techtasks, and then we outsource to

(31:56):
a Facebook Ads agency contractor, and then the odd copywriter
here and there if we're writingsomething new.
And then the stuff that I I'mdoing so coaching in my program,
which I could outsource, but Ilike being in there, so I'm in
there doing that, all the salesthat we do, so when we don't do
sales calls but we do have anapplication process, and so

(32:17):
there's a lot of back and forththrough emails or like DM, voice
messages on Instagram whensomeone's enrolling, and so I do
those.
I've tried to outsource that andit hasn't worked as well as I
would like and I personally amkind of picky and I want to make
sure that we have the rightpeople in the program.
So I feel better if I'veactually had conversations with
like everyone who's in there.
And then content writing We'vetried to outsource to

(32:38):
copywriters and content writers.
They did an okay job, but Ifeel like, that's still
something that I just do betterin my business, and so if I'm
writing a new blog post that'sthen getting turned into
whatever other content that it'sgonna be syndicated to, I'm
always the one doing like theinitial writing of the piece.
But I'd say, though, and thenchatting with the team, but I'd

(32:59):
say that those are the biggestthings that I spend my time
doing.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
So talent acquisition and finding talent and the
right people to grow yourbusiness is a challenge for so
many people.
I know I've felt plateaued somany times.
I feel like I'm in a plateauright now because I don't have
the right person to help me andthere's such an opportunity cost
.
Like you said, I could work 10more hours every single week and

(33:24):
I could do it, but I'm gonnaCosta Rica in a few weeks and
I'm invested being in there,like I want to have that full
experience and so I'm happy tohire someone to do it, but I
find it challenging to actuallyfind the right person.
Anything you can share or speakto the entrepreneur who feels
that way in terms of how you didthat and how you found the
right team, it's hard and it'sdefinitely something I still

(33:46):
struggle with, especially at thebeginning.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think the hardest part of it is at the beginning,
hiring your first few people,because, especially if you were
a solopreneur and you've beendoing everything yourself and
you have control issues, like methen it's very hard to give
away pieces of your business andtrust that other people can do
them, especially you know, I'vegotten burned a few times.
That's just real shitcontractors which then made me

(34:10):
want even more control.
And so I think starting reallysmall and finding pieces that
like it's not life or death Imean, nothing is but pieces that
you're like if they don't getit in 100%, it's fine and
starting to just give away thatcontrol and, as you build more
trust, giving more and more youdon't have to go and hire
someone to take over a hugepiece of your business right at
the beginning and just gettingreally clear about the pieces

(34:33):
that you're actually still okaydoing.
The circles that I run in it's alot of online coaches who are
kind of always delegateeverything and you should only
be doing the high task, likethere was just kind of a lot of
this, like you shouldn't even bein your business anymore, you
know, and I just say I've triedthat I was like all on board
with that and it didn't work andit didn't feel good and it
wasn't how I wanted to bespending my time or not spending

(34:54):
my time, and so I think tryingto give stuff away.
But if it feels like somethingthat you just need to own and
you're happy owning it and youwant to own it, then keep it.
You don't have to outsourceeverything and then getting
really intentional about whatyou are outsourcing and what
you're keeping for yourself andyou only learn that through
really trying.
I've tried to outsourceeverything in the past and some

(35:14):
has worked really well and somehasn't.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah well, especially if you said your niche is
really service-basedentrepreneurs, people who wanna
build an uncaged lifestyle forthemselves.
These are often entrepreneurswhere the business is around
them and working with them andtheir differentiator and what
makes them special and theiruniqueness, and people wanna do
business with them.
So I also feel like sometimesthat can be a slight trap in a

(35:40):
way, because I've now built thisbusiness around me but then I
also want to outsource and Ialso wanna scale.
Can you relate to that?
I see you nodding.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, even with the oneprogram that I've been selling
for 10 years, I have thoughtabout, like how can I bring in
other coaches and I haven'treplaced myself in it yet?
I just can't see a world whereI'm not coaching in it, except
when I have a baby and I need totake myself out for a few
months.
But other than that, long-term,I just don't see it happening.
But even then I do have someother program coaches who are in

(36:11):
there.
They're in the Facebook group,they're answering questions,
they're giving feedback.
They're amazing.
They've taken the program.
They give sometimes betterfeedback than I do.
But I had a lot of mindsetissues about bringing them in.
I was like are my people aren'tgonna wanna sign up because
they just want me?
And like there's a lot of egoaround it.
Yeah, sometimes it's true, yeah, but I think if I wanted to

(36:31):
pull myself out of it I wouldhave to just rebrand the
business into something else,because I've signed up for
programs where the person ismarketing it and you never, ever
see them in the program andit's fine.
The coaches that they hired aregreat, but I still it wasn't
quite congruent, like what Ithought I was signing up for was
not what I was getting, and sofor me personally, like if I

(36:52):
wanted to take myself out of it,I would need to take myself out
of my marketing and reallyposition it as something else,
but I don't want to, so Ihaven't had to go there yet, but
it definitely is.
I think I don't know if you runin the same some of the same
online business circles, butthat sort of was the path for a
while was just like get yourselfup here and get yourself out of
the business, and I just don'tthink that's the right move for

(37:14):
every business.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Mm-hmm, even this push to create passive business
models and passive revenuechannels and passive courses.
I feel like that was so.
Of course that's attractive.
I wake up and there's money inmy inbox and money in my account
and I create a course and allof a sudden I do nothing.
But, like you said, you createda course and it didn't sell.

(37:36):
And the same thing happened tome when I first created my
course.
I had a lot more troubleselling it than when I added
also like a multi-touchexperience.
So it was take the course, butthen you would also have regular
conversations and coaching withme.
Is that kind of what you'reseeing and is that a similar
path that you're recommendingyour clients?

(37:56):
Go on.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, definitely.
And we have a couple of smallercourses that we have on our
website and they're super niche,like one is all about how to
run retreats, if you are a coachand wanting to kind of expand
to doing retreats, and then theother one is how to create your
first group program If you're aone-on-one coach and you're
wanting to scale to groupprograms, and so they're super
niche.
You would think they would justfly on the shelves Anytime I do

(38:19):
a webinar, I always go on a bitof a rant about passive income
because I'm like listen, we havea big audience.
We have a moderate audience,but you know, to someone who's
just starting, our audience isbig.
I'd say we've got, I don't know, 20,000 people on our email
list.
Wow, 20,000 people in ourFacebook group Amazing, 20,000
people on our Facebook page.
So, like there's people.
You know I've been doing thisfor 10 years and I have a good
reputation and people know, so Ihad people guess how many of

(38:42):
these courses do you think Isell?
So I was like there's some blogpost content.
We're constantly like pinningstuff on Pinterest about them.
They sit on our website.
You know there's funnels thatlead to them If you sign up.
If you read a blog post, yousign up for the checklist,
whatever the whole thing, allthe systems, and I'm like how
many do you think I'm selling?
And people are like 25 a month,400 a month?
The answer is zero a month.
I think in six months we soldlike eight of the retreat course

(39:07):
.
Maybe that's passive.
We're not doing anything new.
The content is just out thereon our blog, on Pinterest,
whatever.
We're not putting anythingactive into it and people are
shocked to hear that.
It's not shocking.
We're not.
You know, you have to marketthings.
If we were to do a push for itand start putting out new blog
content and pointing people toit, we would sell a whole lot
more.
But I'm so focused on the onething that we sell being on Gage

(39:32):
, your Business and All RoadsPoint there.
I don't want to put the timeand energy that it takes to sell
these other things, and sowe're actually retiring one of
those courses soon because I'mlike you know what?
The course is great, but it'snot where our energy is going
and I'm all about focus andsimplicity, and so we're kind of
taking them off the shelves.
But I think people are shockedto hear that things don't just
sell magically when you put themonline, and the other thing,

(39:52):
too, is that you then become afull-time marketer.
You have to then be all roadspoint to your course and all you
just have to constantly bemarketing it.
And if you're going intobusiness to like do a scale or
offer a service, you're going tobe doing like 10% of that and
like 90% marketing 100% and Ireally appreciate you being

(40:12):
honest about that.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I actually have a great large community and a
successful business but, to behonest, I sell zero of these,
and it's been it's only eight.
I've been like six months, yeah,you know, and I really admire
that because there's a lot ofthe opposite language online of
I do all this stuff.
It's all passive and I'm havinga similar experience.

(40:34):
I've found some success withselling my courses on
marketplaces, but again, thisisn't life changing amount of
money.
You know, my course isavailable on Fiverr Learn, it's
available on Skillshare, it'savailable on Udemy.
I actually have a call thisafternoon with entrepreneur now
who wants to put on the call.
Oh cool.
And, like you know, that iscompletely passive.
That's every quarter.
Now we sold X amount.
Look forward to your wiretransfer coming this month.

(40:57):
But other than that, you'reright, you have to just
completely market.
And then it's like do I want tospend all my time marketing a
$100 horse or whatever the priceis, or do I want to try to sell
three, five $10,000 programsand just focused on really going
after that one customer?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, it's so much marketing.
The cheaper it is, the moremarketing you have to put in and
people think it's gonna becheap, so it's gonna be easy to
sell it.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
It's totally the opposite, which is so ironic.
Yeah, as we're nearing the endof this conversation, I want to
bring it back to the lifestyleof Rebecca, of this uncaged
entrepreneur from Squamish, 12years in, to really understand,
you know, what has been theimpact of all of this.
What are some misconceptionsthat you think people have about

(41:48):
you and the way you're livingyour life that you're often
correcting?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
This one's interesting, so I'll have to
explain it.
But I feel like there's maybe amisconception that, like I just
never work, which, like I don'twork as much as many people who
have to go and sit at a deskall day and like, do the
physical work and you'll totallyget this, and anyone else
listening who has a businesswill get this.
It's like I'm always working.
It is always my business isalways on me, like not in a bad

(42:13):
way, but it's even if I'mtotally off, slack's always on
my phone.
I'm always, you know, justchecking in on my Facebook group
.
I'm always thinking about like,oh, what's the next thing we
could do here?
It's just always on the brainand that work is often more
important, especially like I'llbe on a dog walk and be like oh,
I had an idea and joining itdown in my phone, you know, is,

(42:34):
I think, more valuable than mesitting at a desk banging out
eight hour days doing whatever.
So I think this yeah, thepeople are right that I don't
work often, but I'm alwaysworking.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
And are you okay with that?
Do you find that taxing toalways?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
be on oh, they're always working or the people's
opinion?
I guess both.
Yeah, I get offended.
I get offended Sometimes.
I get in this fight with myhusband, where he's a contractor
but he gets paid hourly.
He's an environmental engineerand he works a lot, and so our
work is very different, how wespend our time is very different
, and he'll sometimes say thingslike about me, like not working

(43:10):
much, and I get, I do find Iget defensive because I'm like I
have spent 12 years building acompany where I don't have to
sit in my desk eight hours a day, like let's celebrate that
instead of shame it.
He's not shaming it, if heheard this he'd be mad, but that
I do find I get defensive aboutit because I'm like this is a
good thing, like I have built agreat thing, yeah, and I do work

(43:30):
and I am working and I have thelegal responsibility, the
financial responsibility, theemotional responsibility.
All of that is solely on me.
I employ people, you know, likethat is just heavy stuff,
that's always there, and so evenif I'm not sitting here banging
out hours a day of work, it'sstill there.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
That's what some people will say.
I love having a nine to five.
I close my laptop, I leave theoffice and my work stays there
and I get to go home and I getto just be myself on the
weekends and the evenings and Ihave nothing to think about, and
for them, they thrive in thatTotally.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, I think having a team helps because now I have
people who do a lot of thethings that I just don't have to
worry about.
When I was a solopreneur and Iwas doing everything, it was
like, oh my God, the website'sbroken.
Okay, let me just stay up till4 am Like trying to fumble my
way through this thing, like Idon't have to do that stuff
anymore, which is great, so Idon't have the same kind of
pressure that I used to, but nowit just feels normal.

(44:30):
If I didn't have my business,there'd be so much free time
that I don't know how I wouldfeel.
You know?
Yeah, I'm like what do peopledo on a Friday night?
If you know, I can only watchso much Netflix before.
I'm like, oh, I had an idea,I'm gonna go like write that
down.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Especially in Squamish.
No movie theater.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, there's nothing .
No, literally nothing to do ona Friday night.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Okay, what about the impact on your relationship?
So you mentioned your partnerand I think that's really
interesting that you shared that.
And when you were talking alittle bit about potentially
getting ready to have a familyor pursuing that process, I
would think having the type ofbusiness that you've built where
you don't have to be workingall the time, would make me feel

(45:12):
more confident that I couldtake on an additional
responsibility of having kids.
Sometimes I feel my partner andI are so busy that I can't
imagine adding those additionalresponsibilities, but I can see
a future where a business could,like totally help me thrive in
that dance Like.
Is that how you feel, likeyou're at, and are any of the
timing coincidental in terms ofbeing ready now?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I mean, I definitely feel grateful for what we both
do.
Even though he works a lot, weboth do mostly control our own
schedules, and so I do feel likewe're in a much better place
than somebody who's gonna haveto like I'm not gonna get a
maternity leave, so that's onepart of it, but there's so much
time freedom there.
But then, on the other hand, I'mlike, oh my God, I have so much
free time right now and I'mjust like giving that all up.

(45:55):
I have a baby, so that scaresme, but it does feel better.
Even talking to people in townabout how impossible it is to
get into daycare, I'm like it'snot as urgent because, like I
don't have to go to work.
So it definitely is helpful interms of just feeling like we're
in a really good place to beable to do this.
And even without having amaternity leave, I'm like I'm

(46:16):
just working a lot this yeartrying to make as much money in
the company, so like I can stillpay myself.
My goal would be to just paymyself my regular salary next
year, even if I'm not working,so it's nice to be able to do
that too.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
And I've had so many friends who've just realized now
how little money you actuallyget maternity leave.
Oh, my God really we'rebasically chasing this security
and getting a job and gettingthe benefits and getting the
maternity leave and being likewhat this?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
is how much money.
You can even pay rent andSquamish with your maternity
leave.
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
And I'm like to be honest, and we're so privileged
because we've been in this for awhile I could easily make more
than that in by creating oneproduct in a business.
But it's just like thatguaranteed safety net that we're
kind of taught and instilled inus throughout society as, like
this is what you get.
And then you actually get itand you're like this is barely
enough to live.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, yeah, whereas I've been, I have savings in my
company and every month whenmoney comes in, I put a certain
amount aside into savings, andso there's money there, and so
some of it's in investments anddifferent things within the
company structure, but some ofit's there to use, and so my
goal would be that I could paymyself way more than like that.
There won't be any change inactually what I would pay myself
, even if I'm not working for ayear.

(47:28):
I can't imagine not Even that,where I'm like, oh, I'll be on
maternity, I won't be working,but like I can't see a world
where I'm 100% disconnected fromtalking to the team about
anything.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Or even just showing up online.
You have a great social mediapresence and have such a value
forward brand.
I would be shocked if you'rejust like I'm done being
valuable.
I'm done sharing any diet thatI have with the world.
I'm now keeping it all formyself for a year.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna need things that aren't
just baby and I'm gonna be likewhat's happening in my Facebook
group, like what are otherpeople doing, baby, baby's
drinking, and let me just get onmy phone and I don't know how
babies work, so I have no ideahow that will actually happen,
to be honest.
But I know I have some friendswith newborns and they're like
always online.
They're just like I don't havebabies sleeping on me and I'm
just like scrolling my phone.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Totally, totally.
Yeah, I can't speak fromexperience either, but I do
think having a flexible businesswhere finances are taken care
of and your schedule is takencare of has got to be the easier
way of doing it and taking onan additional responsibility.
So very excited to see wherethat journey takes you and your

(48:35):
partner.
Is there anything you'd like toshare with the audience, the
community who've gotten this farand this conversation?
They're loving you, they'revibing with your story.
How can they work with you orlearn more from you?
What can we share?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, I mean, I know your people are in all different
industries trying to find thisfreedom.
So for the coach, service-basedtype people, our Facebook group
is a great place.
I started the Facebook group inlike again, I think it was in
2013.
Same as when I started the bigprogram and it was a wave.
I was working with all theseone-on-one clients and I was
like they all need to know eachother, like everyone's doing
this in a vacuum and like theyneed to be friends, and so I put

(49:11):
them all in this Facebook groupand now I think it's 15 or
20,000 people and it's a greatplace to just go and, if you're
getting started with this, tojust ask questions, and everyone
in there is super supportive,and all at different stages too.
We don't let any selling, sothere's not that bullshit in
there, it's just a reallyhelpful support of communities.
So that's a great place ifyou're selling services and
trying to get into that world.
Yeah, you can go.

(49:32):
Follow me on Instagram.
Our Uncaged Life Instagram isat the Uncaged Life, and then I
have a personal one where it'smostly just me and dogs and
mountains.
Some people like to snoop onthe personal stuff.
So and that's just my nameRebecca Tracy.
I love your personal account.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I feel like it shows the lifestyle that you can have
when you have this style ofbusiness, and I know, for me, my
niche helping people launchpodcasts.
Sometimes I'll ask you know,why did you wanna work with me?
And they'll say, like I justlove the life that you're living
, I love that you've been ableto have this outcome based on
this, so I just wanna be aroundthat.
So I think it's great what youshare on your business.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, and that's kind of why I post there, Like I
probably honestly wouldn't if Ididn't have this business and I
used to use it for business.
So I have more followers therethan I would if I was just me
and my friends, you know.
But yeah, kind of the same.
I was like yeah this might aswell just give people.
I like to see the behind thescenes of like people that I
follow online and people I wannahire because I'm just like nosy
like that.
So yeah, so I like posting thatstuff, but not a lot happening

(50:29):
right now.
It's probably just gonna be dogvideos for the next few months.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Perfect, we're here for it.
So I'll include links to all ofthat.
Thank you so much, rebecca, forcoming on the show and being
generous with your time.
I know we went over, but therewas just so much to get into, so
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, thank you, so great to connect.