January 31, 2024 • 39 mins
Self-employed freedom enthusiasts who re-designed their lifestyle together.
Maddie and Jordy's journey began when they both quit their corporate jobs to move to Australia for a year of personal exploration and growth. They returned from their trip with successful remote businesses and new lifestyle goals that changed everything.
Maddie is a digital marketing and branding specialist and Jordy is a business coach for owners who want to balance financial success with quality of life.
Key Takeaways:
- The impact of mindset coaching and proactively managing burnout
- Compromises you have to make in the spirit of co-creation
- Protecting your romantic relationship from the pressures of a co-living and co-working environment
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Maddie and Jordy didn't just stumble upon success; they forged it through intentional decisions, strategic planning, and a deep understanding of each other's strengths.
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About the show:
Sam Laliberte - entrepreneur, digital nomad and freedom seeker, hosts the Freedom Lifestyle Podcast to expose people to the many ways you can design your dream life and unlock your own version of the freedom lifestyle. Her guests have empowered themselves through flexible work as a way to “have it all” - financial, location AND schedule freedom.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're listening to a new episode of the Freedom
Lifestyle podcast, where Iintroduce you to relatable
stories from everyday people whohave leveraged flexible work
arrangements to design theirdream lives.
And today you're not going tomeet just one freedom seeker
You're actually going to get tomeet two.
I interviewed my friends Maddieand Jordy, who are a couple who
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have truly co-created theirfreedom lifestyles together.
Their journey begins when theyboth quit their corporate jobs
and move to Australia for whatwas meant to be one year of
travel, fun and a break from theburnout that they were
experiencing in their nine tofive corporate lifestyles.
(00:47):
Well, they decided to go therein February 2020, which we all
know is when COVID was juststarting to take off at scale,
and Australia was one of themost challenging places you
could find yourself during COVIDin terms of a lockdown
situation, not really being ableto leave.
And so that year that was meantto be fun, travel, freedom,
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just a break and a rest.
It was that, but it definitelytook a turn.
They ended up starting theirown freedom-based businesses on
that journey and came home witha sustainable lifestyle where
they never had to go back tothose jobs.
Maddie is a digital marketer andbranding specialist, and Jordy
is a business coach for ownerswho want to balance financial
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success with quality life.
In this episode, we talked alot about what it's like to
really co-create freedom withsomebody else, the compromises
that you sometimes have to makeand some tips on how you can
really convince your partner toget on board with, maybe, a
vision that you have.
We get real about things likework-life balance, creating a
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business that you're going tolove and a life that goes with
it.
With no further delay, here'sMaddie and Jordy.
Maddie and Jordy, welcome tothe Freedom Lifestyle podcast.
How's your day going?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
today it's been a good day.
I took like a two-hour lunchbreak, so yeah, it's been nice.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
How did you spend the lunch break for two hours?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I actually just met up with another freelancer and
what was supposed to just belike a little 30-minute coffee
meat and greet found out beinglike a two-hour long discussion
of life, business, balance, work, everything.
So it was kind of like a niceunexpected and a day treat.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That's freedom right there.
Jared and I, we worked thismorning and then went to
Whistler for opening ski day inthe afternoon, and now it's
evening and I'm fitting thisrecording in so that we could
still ski and then have thisinterview.
Jordy, did you do anything tofeel free today?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Honestly, not today.
This was a hands down focus day, but I really enjoyed the work
I'm doing and I know it's aninvestment in future freedom.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Amazing Love that.
So the first question I alwaysask my guests is where are you
taking today's call from?
And if you weren't on thispodcast interview right now,
what would you normally be doing?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
How specific do you want?
We're in our bedroom right nowbecause it's the best water and
Aquaticist.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So you're on the Sunshine Coast, right?
Oh, okay, you want broader thanthat.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right.
So we're on the coast ofBritish Columbia, which is a
little 45 minute ferry away fromVancouver, nice, and we're on
the same time zone, so it's 5.30at night.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What are you normally doing at this time?
Are you still working?
Is this pre-dinner vibes?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What do you normally up to, together or separate, I
think we would be exercising,especially after a long work day
of sitting at my desk, is I'mlike I need to move my body from
like a run to a yoga.
Whatever our bodies are callingfor after like a day of sitting
at the desk, it's most of thetime it's movement around this
time 4 or 5 PM is ideal time todo that, and then it really
creates that break between workand life.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And do you usually do the workout together?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Used to I think we do about half together right now.
You know I'll go to CrossFit,she'll go to yoga, we'll go for
runs together once in a while.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But we do a lot together yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You used to both do CrossFit.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That was the used to for me, I don't do CrossFit
anymore after I had a like neardeath experience there.
So now I do Pilates and he goesto CrossFit.
But we like to run together andwe do yoga together multiple
days a week.
So we still do a lot of ittogether, but just not CrossFit.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I love it.
I'm hearing themes on designingyour lives, being intentional
on how you spend your time,making compromises and what
things you do together and whatthings you do separately, which
is exactly what I want to covertoday.
Maddie and Jordy, you've beenin my life for years now, and
it's been such a pleasurewatching both of you take the
leap to build your own freedom,lifestyles and all the
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adventures that that has takenyou on over the last couple of
years, and so, of course, I wantto get into some of those
highlights, but I also want totalk about what that's been like
to do that with a partner.
I feel like that's a story Ihaven't spoken enough on the
show, and I think it's a reallyimportant one.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, this has definitely been an adventure
that we have both been ontogether, like, from you know,
dreaming of freelance to fullyexecuting this dream of ours,
and like achieving these goals,and we've basically been
together and through it everysingle step of the way together,
so it's been a full journey.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It has and, honestly, you and Jared were huge
inspiration for us.
I remember five, six years agowe were in Penticton on the lake
.
Both of us were burning out andin jobs.
We wanted to leave.
And I was just picking Jared'sbrain.
I was like how do you go remote, how do you work from anywhere
you want?
How do you do this?
And looking at what you and himhave built has always been
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inspiring to us too.
So it's great to connect andhave role models as well.
Who do it?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, so the first people, I think, where we
started to look and go oh oh,they're doing that kind of
different.
Like I like that, I like whatthat looks like, that looks good
.
So you kind of were like thespark, hmm, expanders for you.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Do you have other people now, other couples, that
are living alternatively likethis, that you've brought into
your circle since you've gone onthis journey too?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, I've found some of our closest friends we've
made in the last few years andwe've really connected fast
because we're all living thisalternative style where we're
all business owners, we all havethe freedom to travel and take
time off whenever we want, and Ithink, yes, there are people
who just started to think andsay they love you because those
benefits have allowed us to godeeper faster.
We just went to Europe for afew weeks with close friends and
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every morning all of us were onour laptops, you know, sending
emails and doing stuff, but therest of the day we'd be off at
the beach, and that's just notsomething that all of our
friends are capable of at thispoint in their lives with their
businesses or their jobs.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Totally, and that's huge.
So your journey starts with oneepic year-long trip to
Australia, so I feel like weshould start the interview with
that context.
Can you paint a picture for ourlisteners about what was going
on in each of your lives duringthat time when you started to
have the idea to go on thisadventure together?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, do you want me to start?
Should I go first?
Yeah, you go first, okay, we hadbeen dating for about a year at
that point, okay, and we wereboth experiencing our own like
special individual brands ofburnout basically.
And it's funny because, like Iknow, you asked us a question in
the prep where it was like, oh,was there this really
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meaningful moment where youfound the confidence to go
freelance?
And I was kind of laughingbecause I was like I don't think
it was about us like findingthe confidence to go freelance.
I think it was hitting burnoutrock bottom, right.
It almost was us like gettingpushed to this point of being
like, oh, things just have tochange, because we don't feel
good right now.
Jordy had been posing the ideato me of like, hey, we could
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travel, we could quit our jobsand we could do this, but it was
sort of more of a dream wewould talk about and not
something that we really feltserious about actualizing.
But then we each had, you know,instead of our profound moment
of like confidence to go andtake this on, we actually had
our profound moment of burnoutand we each actually have like a
pretty funny story, like originstory, of how that happened.
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For me, it was gettingphysically locked inside the
office building that I wasworking at.
I was working, you know, for asmall agency and I was working
so long and so late that thejanitor, who had like finished
cleaning the building and thenlike security, locked me inside
the building, not knowing that Iwas there.
So it was like too much of ametaphor that I was like
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physically locked inside myoffice building for the night.
I had to crawl my way out oflike a cobweb filled dirty
basement window, like into aback alley, like crying, pulling
myself out of this window tojust exit this building so I
could get home.
And it was like the metaphorwas just way too, way too strong
.
And that was like the nightwhere I walked home crying the
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whole time and then when I gothome, I called Jordy and I said,
like book the tickets, let's go, I'm going to hand in my notice
tomorrow and let's go andtravel Australia for a year.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, and mine had happened in a different way but
very similar timeline, and I wastraveling all over North
America for work.
I was often away two to threeweeks a month, living in hotels,
always in airports, and it hadtaken a huge physical and mental
toll on me.
I was having insomnia and I was.
I was really struggling,honestly.
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So I was coming back from aEast Coast trip.
I'd been in you know meetingsfor 10, 12 hours a day for the
whole time and then not sleepingwell, and so I'm in an airplane
flying home and I remember justfeeling like I don't even know
if I'm going to make it home.
I'm just so battered and I got anapkin out and I started to
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just try to plot my escape.
So I wrote down what does mylife cost right now to live?
And I was like my rent, my car,my food, what do I spend in a
month?
And then I figured out okay,well, how much savings do I have
right now?
And I divided the savings bythe cost of living and I figured
okay, I could live for over ayear without earning any money
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right now because I've beensaving for a long time.
So I've earned the freedom tobreak free of this trap.
And I also then got home andsaid to Maddie, like I don't
think I can keep doing this.
And the kind of question thatbroke for both of us was what if
we spent the same amount oftime and energy we're putting
into our jobs, where we're highperforming, but we're burning
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out?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And we're doing it for somebody else's business.
You know we're making otherpeople successful with all of
this time and energy and youknow high performance that we're
outputting.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah.
And what if we put that intoourselves and our own businesses
and our own goals?
How much further and fastercould we achieve what we want?
And so those two experiencesplus that question helped us say
okay, we picked a day, it wasmy birthday, so I gave myself a
gift of quitting my job on mybirthday and we flew to
Australia and with no plan, butsome money saved and an
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adventure on the way.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Quit your job on your birthday.
That's risky, because what ifthere was some big drama that
unfolded?
I can't believe you're leavingus, jordy, or any fine print.
How did those conversations gowith each of your bosses when
you told them you're leaving?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, those are hard conversations, because we both
liked the people we worked with.
We liked the work we were doing.
It was just too much.
My boss was very understanding.
I gave him a good heads up.
He was very supportive and then, before I'd even left the room,
he'd offered me a contract todo some future work with them.
So you know, in quitting Iended up creating my then first
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customer.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, same for me.
I think the fact that we weretraveling was like the best
escape.
I think it almost is harder toquit If you're, say, going to a
competitor, or you're justquitting to maybe start.
If you're working at a digitalmarketing agency and you're then
going to go and be a freelancedigital marketer, you're
quitting to become thecompetition, or you're quitting
to join the competition orsomething like that.
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I think that's a lot harder.
I think a lot of people thesedays, if you're just like, hey,
I'm going traveling because Iwant to live my life, they're
like can't argue with it, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And your old boss was also your client, your first
client, right, Maddie.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, exactly I had the same scenario with Jordy,
where my first client actuallywas the agency that I left
because they were like we stillneed some work.
You're the best candidate forthe job.
You know our projects, you knowour systems and our workflow
and you know our clients right,so they actually ended up being
my first freelance clients aswell.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So I'm guessing you left out of the conversation
that you're completely burnt outand have hit rock bottom and
that's why you need to quit.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh yeah, no, I didn't add that.
I didn't add that in no,because I think at the end of
the day, you know, like businessis business and I think,
especially in the marketingindustry, a lot of these
agencies are small, they have tobe really lean and I don't know
if that would necessarily havebeen relevant part of the
conversation at that point.
You know, it was just I've gotto go, I've got to leave, you
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know, and I'm traveling, and wejust left it at that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Nice, yeah, keeping your relationships is a wise
thing to do.
I think when you're emotionallycharged and you feel like
you've been wronged by your boss, it's very easy to kind of go
and put it all on the table ofhow this place sucks.
And, you know, I wish that Icould make a change and I
couldn't.
And this place is toxic andI've seen people do this, and
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maybe even I'm talking from myown personal experience.
But you just never know when arelationship that you had once
could lead to something in thefuture that you might want.
So very wise.
Did one of you feel like youwere taking the lead or the
charge on this vision in termsof Australia?
The length of time?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I definitely was Something I had done
multiple times in my 20s where Istopped working, I'd saved all
my money and then I'd gotraveling for four or five
months at a time and I had thenstopped doing that for four
years because of the job and Iwas just feeling like I need
that, I need a little miniretirement to reconnect and
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reset, and I was pretty muchgoing to get to the place of
going without Maddie if I had to, but I needed to wait for her
and bring her along if she couldcome.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You gave me the good push, you approached it well.
I had basically like StockholmSyndrome with my own career at
that point, where, like it wasmy whole identity, I just I
didn't really see or understanda reality where I wasn't, you
know, working and climbing myway up through my career.
So it was almost like Icouldn't even quite visualize it
.
And so I think Jordy pushing meand to take that leap was a
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huge changing moment in my lifetoo.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Maddie had actually proposed that we move to London
because she has a Britishpassport and I said that I don't
think London is the place to gorecover from burnout and from
too much pressure in your career, but I think that in Australia
we could spend a lot of time onthe beach drinking beers and
exploring and that that wouldgive us the environment.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, he was like busy city versus white sand
beach, like which one is goingto be best for us to actually
like change our mindsets andrecover and rest.
And yeah, so you definitely hadthe right idea.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Were you planning to start businesses?
Were you quitting your jobswith no plans Like what was the
intention for this trip?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
We just had savings.
So I had savings and Maddieworked really hard and saved up
enough that we had like a threeor four month runway where we
knew we didn't have to work butwe got work visas and the plan
was let's go do fun random jobsthat we haven't done before,
Like Maddie wanted to work in abrewery.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I just wanted to like .
I was so tired of my laptop andbeing behind a computer screen.
I was like I just want to serveIPAs out of brewery to Aussies
near a beach.
It's all I want to do.
Did you end up doing that?
No, because it was.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
COVID so what I was going to say is we.
We landed in Australia inFebruary 2020 and by March,
lockdowns were rolling acrossthe world and we got emails from
Canada saying this is your lastchance.
You all have to come home.
We'll take care of you if youcome home now.
Otherwise, we don't have anyguarantee of what's going to
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happen.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I remember a headline once seeing a headline, and it
was like Trudeau calls allCanadians back to like Canada,
and I felt like personally, likehe was saying you guys have to
leave Australia.
And we were just like no, wejust like uprooted our entire
lives.
We worked so hard and pushed sohard to get to this place.
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We were literally like youcan't make us.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah.
So we stayed and luckily we hadgood family friends in Brisbane
that that ended up housing usfor two months during lockdowns.
And at that point we were likewe have no idea what's going to
happen in our trip, in our year,in our careers.
But A couple things justchanged.
In Queensland, where we were,they eliminated COVID because of
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their approach to shuttingborders and so as of like I
think April or May, there was noCOVID and we were free to
travel and it was this weirdbubble that we were in.
And then the second thing wasremote work exploded right at
the time in our lives where wewere trying to figure out how do
we get remote work, and so itactually kind of conspired to
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help us and over the next fewmonths we bought a used car, we
started traveling Australiacamping, and as we were doing it
we were getting contacted byprevious clients, previous
companies we worked for andstarting to actually get work,
despite not even really havingmuch of an intention of starting
that way.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
They were coming to you.
You had them message you andsay hey, by any chance, can you
pick up some freelance orcontract work while you're out
traveling?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, absolutely.
It happened like quiteorganically, I know.
For me especially it was justpeople and that's one of the
reasons why I always tell peoplelike, maintain those good
relationships throughout yourcareer, because that paid off.
In spades I had people who Ihad worked with previously from
like past agencies, clientsconnected with them who had
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suggested me to other people,and so people were just coming
out of the woodwork justrequesting work.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, well, that's amazing, that's so serendipitous
, and it's clear that that juststarted to snowball very quickly
.
And, of course, you come home.
You're now full business owners, you have your various revenue
streams, you've been free thisentire time.
But for couples who are nowlistening to this and might find
some similarities in terms oftheir own story, where maybe one
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couple has a vision for anadventure that they want to take
and maybe even has someexperience doing it so if you've
done something before, you're,of course, going to feel more
confident that it'll work out.
Maybe the other person hasn'tjumped into this level of
unknown or doesn't haveconfidence and a vision of how
it could work out.
What do you think you did?
Well, jordy, I guess, first ofall in getting Maddie on board,
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and then Maddie, what do youthink the lessons and impact was
for you that you would pass on?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
For me, because I had done it a few times before
where I had just like, quit mylife, put it on hold, gone,
traveling for months at a time.
I knew that every time I gotback I was happier, a better
person and more clear on what Iwanted, and that you can jump
back in and start making moneyagain.
So I knew that if we take thispause, who knows what happens
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with our careers or our lives?
But we're young, we're nevergoing to get this time back and
we can always make more money.
But we can't be 27 again andhave that freedom together.
So all of those things werealways really clear to me.
But going through it together,being aligned, was challenging.
We just talked it throughconstantly of what's the
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alternative?
What if we just stay here,continue to work this way,
continue to grind?
What path does that put us on?
Versus what if we take thisshot and go, have an incredible
year where a lot can change?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And was Maddie receptive and open from the
beginning, like when you weretalking to her?
Could you tell, okay, I feellike I can convince her.
I feel like just a few morespeeches, a few more stories, a
few more nights over dinnerwhere I picture on this vision
it could work, or what was theinitial reactions?
And I guess, how long did ittake for you to go from that
initial idea to getting her onboard?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Honestly, I think it was probably almost six months
of us having this idea andtalking about it and debating.
From what I remember, the bigbarrier at the time was how are
we going to make money and howare we going to afford our
lifestyle?
So we were making like 60K ayear at the time, which was
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enough.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I was not.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We were close to making 60K a year at the time,
which was enough for thelifestyle we had at the time in
Vancouver, but not enough formuch left over and not enough to
get ahead.
We had this fear of if we givethat up, what else is there and
how long can we go.
But saving money was a huge keyfor you.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I mean like born and raised Vancouver right
here.
It is a very expensive city, itis a high cost of living and
you really can get trapped inthis mentality where you're
making a lot of your decisionsbased on finances and how much
money am I making?
It's very easy to buy, to bepart of the hustle culture,
because you have to, even justrenting a one bedroom apartment
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in Vancouver and wanting to haveany type of a life or lifestyle
, you have to be making asignificant amount of money and
if you're not making it, you'vegot to be working hard towards
it.
So it's very hard to thenseparate your mindset from you
know, for me, to be successfulin this city, that means
financial success and breakingfrom that mentality and being
like what if?
Success means more time, morefreedom, more happiness perhaps.
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Like that was a really bigmentality shift for me because I
was really on this one track.
Like I said, I kind of hadStockholm syndrome with my own
career.
I was really on this one trackmentality of like this is how I
have to do this.
So it took, yeah, I would saylike quite a few months of
talking about it, thinking aboutit and then yeah, ultimately I
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don't know if I hadn't had thatrock bottom moment.
I don't even know if it wouldhave happened, but I really did
have to hit rock bottom formyself in terms of burnout and
have that experience of justrealizing like you can't
continue this way.
So you have to try somethingdifferent.
You have to seek a differentlifestyle and new experiences to
break your mentality of whatyou think success and what you
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think your life and your careerhas to be.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Totally, and it's been three years that you've
been on this journey now, sincethis trip to Australia and the
word burnout is interestingbecause I've heard you use that
word since, like when we've beenhanging out socially, our
businesses can also make us feelburnt out.
And so what are those signs andhow does burnout show up for
you and how are you gettingahead of it now so that you
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don't have to hit rock bottom,quit your business, go to
Australia, leave it all behind?
How are you navigating thatmore sustainably when now you're
in the driver's seat with yourown businesses?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That said, I will quickly digress and say that
Jordy and I still always look ateach other every once in a
while and we say we can alwaysAustralia again.
And when we say that we meanthere is always the chance to
pull, shoot, burn your life downand just go and rent a crappy
old station wagon in Australiaagain and live out of a two
person tent and be just as happyas we are now.
That was kind of something thatwe identified on that trip, and
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a promise that we made to eachother is that just remember that
we can always do this again.
So sometimes there are stilldays where I'm just like should
we Australia or what?
But for me, I think the biggestdifference is that I recognize
burnout now in a way that Ididn't before, like I didn't
understand earlier, likethroughout my 20s, like why I
was just gradually feeling moreand more stress and anxiety and,
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honestly, like debilitatingburnout feeling sometimes.
So now I still do feel burnout,but I can recognize it and I
actually now have so many moremental tools and also the
flexibility and the freedom tothen combat it and to know what
I need to do for myself, to takespace, to take rest, to find
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balance again.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm imagining having that schedule.
Freedom is huge, because itsounds like you were in a
physical office for long periodsof time, whereas now you're
taking two hour lunch breakswhenever you want or whenever
that opportunity comes up.
And so is that what the toolsmean for you, like just the
physical space where, instead ofwork, I can choose to do
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something else?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yep, exactly, if I need to take the space I can, I
can also just take a day off,like yesterday I just took the
ferry into the city and met upwith a friend for brunch and
just didn't work all day Justbecause I decided I needed that
space.
That's not very often Like.
I don't want everybody to startthinking that I'm constantly
like taking days off and doingtwo hour lunch breaks, but I've
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been working really, really hardthe past few weeks and this
just kind of hit a point where Iwas like, okay, you need to now
like combat that and take alittle bit of time and space for
yourself.
Another tool that has beenmassively helpful is that I have
had a mindset coach now forthree years.
She's been with me on thiscrazy journey and she taught me
so many of these tools of how torecognize burnout in myself,
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how to recognize stress, how tohandle it, how to take that
space, recognizing what feelsgood for me, which often is get
out of the house, go and moveyour body, go for a walk, go for
a jog, go for a stretch, and so, yeah, definitely I think
calling in the cavalry andhaving a mindset coach to help
me through and learn those toolswas absolutely key in the
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growth of my business.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Chor, did you wanna add anything about what you've
learned, because you now arealso?
You also have your own business, and are you experiencing
burnout, or is that somethingthat Maddie is experiencing more
than you?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Maddie definitely has a lot more on her plate than I
do right now as I'm more inbuild mode and she's got a full
client roster.
But for me, burnout'sinteresting because there's like
physical burnout where you'rejust super tired.
There's mental burnout whereyou're so done you can't focus,
you're dragging yourself through, and then there's emotional
where you're just kinda givingup.
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I haven't felt any of thosesince I left that job four years
ago.
Amazing, because I've built mywhole life to avoid ever going
back into that place.
So the things that put me intothat, which was the business
travel, I've said no, I'll neverdo business travel again.
Waking up and jamming an alarmand running into the office at 8
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am I don't wake up to an alarmanymore and I start work at 8,
30 or nine or whenever feelsright to me on that day, and so
just a couple of things likethat.
I learned what wasn't workingfor me and then I've really
built my life and my businessaround never having that happen
again, because I'm all about, ifI'm gonna build a business for
the long term, my workload hasto be sustainable, my energy has
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to be sustainable and I wannawake up and be energized for it
every day.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I know you two also really support one another in
building each other's freedomlifestyles, whether it's direct
business, coaching tactics,strategies or the mindset pieces
, when you're noticing someoneis having a thought pattern or
responding to something in a waythat's not helpful.
Curious, maybe a controversial,question how much do you
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attribute your own success tothe relationship, your business
success, your life success, toyou two being together?
Do you ever think about whereyou'd be if you weren't dating?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Oh man, I would probably still.
Honestly, I think I would bedoing very successful in a
career first like working forsomeone else.
I think I would be so manylevels of burnout that the word
doesn't even have like meaninganymore.
I still think that I would besuccessful because we're both
very driven people.
(27:49):
But I think my life would be sodifferent without Jordy and if
I didn't have this partner, whowas also on the same alignment
with me in terms of what we wantout of our careers in business.
Yeah no, I think my life wouldlook very, very different and it
would be a lot more stressful.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, I mean we have very complimentary skill sets.
So I'm a business coach, I'mreally comfortable with finances
and operations.
Maddie is a marketer, reallycomfortable with branding and
visual.
So we have gaps that the otherone fills really naturally.
So when Maddie is trying tofigure out what's her pricing
strategy, we can talk about thatand I know how to have the
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tools to help her with that.
And then when I'm creating anew brand or I'm struggling with
my message in some marketing,she can come in and just figure
it out like instantly.
So we do have very complimentaryskill sets and I know that
that's helped both of us growand learn faster than if we were
doing it alone and the otherone had no idea what we were
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doing.
I don't know how that happened,but it kind of happens in the
rest of our life as well.
You know, I'm hands on and Ican fix things and Maddie's got
the design and the eye forthings.
So we're very complimentary andI think that we respect the
other's opinion so much morewhen it's in an area that we
don't have that strength.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Would you ever go into business together, because
that sounds like a great no, goon.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
We talked about it many times.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
We thought about doing like a business boot camp
where I'm teaching people someof those things I talked about,
like business finances andoperations, and then Maddie's
doing branding and social mediaand marketing messaging and
again, who knows?
I think we already, because weboth.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Maddie seems to know.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well, because I'm going to say that, because we
both live and work from home, wealready spend all our time
together, and so I think that'sprobably where the note comes
from is, we don't need any moretime together, and we don't.
We also do things differently,we operate differently, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I would say that that is one of.
We've obviously talked a lotabout all of the positives and
how we have supported each otherand assisted each other so much
in building these amazingfreelance careers.
But there is another side to ittoo.
We're already practicallycoworkers and colleagues.
We work out of the same housetogether, just a door away from
each other, every single day.
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We're constantly talking aboutour businesses and workshopping
them with each other, and whilethat is an amazing superpower
that has definitely advanced usthrough these freelance careers,
sometimes it can be too big apart of our relationship.
When people say, would you gointo business together, I would
say no, because I want you to bemy colleague and my coworker,
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but also still my best friend,my partner and my lover, and I
think that thatcompartmentalization and that
having those boundaries isreally, really important for us
as actually a romantic couple,versus two career-oriented
roommates.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Do you each have the same definition of freedom?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, I'd say it's very, very aligned.
We like to work similar hours,we like to travel very
frequently, we like to do a lotof the same things when we're
not working, so that does makeit easy.
I know partners who one has alot of freedom and the other
doesn't, and I know howrestricting that can feel and
how challenging it can be.
(31:14):
But we're very aligned and Ithink because we started the
journey together from basicallysquare one, where we had no job,
no plan, we were able to buildup together, intentionally and
in alignment with what wasimportant, and we're constantly
dreaming about what comes next,like what else is possible with
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the things in the baseline thatwe've built.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And sometimes those dreams are different, they're
not always the same, and thenwe'll kind of talk about it.
And sometimes we're alsooffering each other challenges,
right, like okay, would you everwant to do this?
Or what do you think about ifwe did that, for example?
And so we do.
We're not always perfectly yeswith each other, but I think our
fundamental ideas of whatfreedom involves is the same for
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us.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, and I think like communication skills are
very strong in your relationshipand also there's a lot of
respect for one another.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Mm-hmm.
Definitely, I think that that'swhat comes from being best
friends since we were 15.
But we've only been dating forfour years, but we've
essentially groomed each otherfrom a young age to communicate
well and to talk properly toeach other.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So yeah, it's beautiful to watch.
It's been very clear in thisinterview tonight.
So 2024, we have a new year.
You mentioned dreaming up,always thinking about the next
level.
What is the next level for eachof you?
What are we making happen inour businesses, in our personal
lives, in our relationship?
However, you want to take this.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think the biggest thing we're debating right now
is if we get a dog.
It's been something we'vetalked about for years and we're
still trying to debate it andjust trying to figure out how it
fits in our freedom lifestyleand we get a dog that we can
travel with.
Where does it go when we goaway for a few months at a time?
Any time we make a big decision, we just think about what are
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the repercussions for thecontrol we have over our time
and the lifestyle that we'vealready built.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I said to Jordy the other day I was like Sam, send
her cat to Toronto while shegoes away.
We could do that too.
Once again, we're kind of usingit.
So it's interesting becausewhen we kind of hit a place of
like oh, like what, how could weget around this?
We actually often are lookingtowards you and Jared and being
like OK, well, I mean, the catgoes and stays with grandma when
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they're in Costa Rica.
So maybe we could do somethingsimilar right, the cat loves it.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
The cat's a nomad too .
She just turned 10.
She's with me and Whistler.
Right now I think she'ssleeping on the couch behind me,
but cats adapt.
There's solutions for that.
There's the trusted housesitter website I'm using now,
where someone takes care of herin our home or we shipper off
somewhere and then we can Airbnb.
So I think it's just anattitude of all problems are
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solvable and just thinking abouthow it can go right, not all
the reasons it can't work.
So definitely dog.
What kind of dog would you get?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Are you going to tell her, or am I going to tell her?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Go for it.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
What do we want?
Essentially like a miniaturepoodle.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Okay, I figured it would be a small dog.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, it needs to be small, like it's got to be 15
pounds or so, so we could maybebring it on a plane with us.
But yeah, we sometimes getjudged a little bit because we
want like a tiny, small, fluffydog, which, you know, if you're
somebody who loves like huskiesor great Danes or mastiffs, you
know we sometimes get a bit ofside eye for that.
But hey, you like what you like, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I love all animals.
Okay, so you're eating a dog.
What else, yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
For me.
I think more remote, longerstretches of remote work and
travel is really important forme.
Like I said, like I do see whatyou and Jared are doing going
down to Costa Rica and that isvery appealing for me.
We actually are members oftrusted house sitters and Jordy
and I have done house sitting inAustralia, down in the States.
It's an amazing way to haveremote travel and to go and stay
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and work from somewhere forfree and look after a cute
little pet as a little bonus.
So I think exploring moreopportunities like that is
really important for me thisnext year as well.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean I love any chance we can get to work in
a different environment,explore a new environment.
I always find that shifts theenergy and the way we live.
Outside of that I'm just.
I'm really heads down trying tobuild my business up this year,
get more clients, build out newprograms and new ways to help
business owners, and I'm havinga lot of fun with that.
So next year I just see a lotof opportunity to keep
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developing what I'm working onwhile also being away going.
You know we're going back toEurope later in the year and
different things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Amazing, I think, flexing that freedom muscle a
little bit more, jordy and I,each in our business, have sort
of these things that we callnon-negotiables, right, and
those are sort of like baselinevalues for the type of business
we want to be running, the typeof lifestyle that that business
is then going to create for us.
And, honestly, for me, one of myreally big non-negotiables was
I don't like to have clientmeetings all the time and I
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don't like to be talking toclients on.
I don't like to have zoom calls, things like that, where it's
like super time zone dependent.
So for me, one of the ways thatI actually keep myself nimble
and being able to be flexibleand travel is just being very,
very clear with my clients thatI communicate primarily through
email.
So I don't have to be worryingabout setting up zoom calls and
on a European time zone versus aCanadian time zone, and that
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has always been kind of like afundamental non-negotiable for
me in my business, so that Idon't have to be worrying about
where I'm working from and I canjust do it from wherever,
amazing, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And if people want to follow along, potentially work
with you, where should we pointthem to?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I have my business account, which is bomb creative.
I have a grand total of like500 followers there.
But you know, I think I'm atried and true example of how
you actually don't have to be aninfluencer in order to have a
successful freelance business.
So I'm like almost a littleproud of my small following
compared to my actual success inmy business.
And, jordy, you have yourpersonal account.
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Jordy's all about LinkedIn, sohe's not so much Instagram.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn because that's where I find the
most success and connection andI like the way people interact
on there.
But you can find me as JordanTate on LinkedIn, or my website
for my business iswwwtheintentionalbusinesscom.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Amazing.
Okay, well, we'll put links inthe show notes if anyone wants
to check out your businesses andlearn more about how they can
work with you and what that'sall about.
So thanks for including thatand thanks for coming on the
show and giving us more of apersonal look at what it's like
to be in this relationship andco-create your freedom together.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, thanks, sam, and thank you so much for having
us on.
This is so meaningful for usand like your friendship, and
also not only that, but likeyour mentorship even in some of
the early days of my freelancebusiness, I was conference
calling you from Australia,being like how do I do this?
So you've been a reallyinfluential part of our journey
as well, and so this is just areally nice moment for us to get
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to be on the podcast and justtalk to you about this stuff and
, yeah, shoot the shit.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, it really is.
And to any of your listeners ifthey want to chat to us about
making that leap, figuring outtheir first steps, how to
overcome whatever they'reworking on.
We love talking about thisstuff.
It's like our favoriteconversation, so just reach out
and we'd be happy to chat.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's true, when we have weekends together, it's
kind of hard to turn us off.
We'll just be, in a corner justjamming on these topics and if
someone's not interested in this, it's like oh, I'm so glad we
invited them.
Yeah, whoops, sorry, not sorry,amazing, okay, thank you so
much.
Bye, all right, bye, sam,thanks.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
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You're listening to a new episode of the Freedom
Lifestyle podcast, where Iintroduce you to relatable
stories from everyday people whohave leveraged flexible work
arrangements to design theirdream lives.
And today you're not going tomeet just one freedom seeker
You're actually going to get tomeet two.
I interviewed my friends Maddieand Jordy, who are a couple who
(00:26):
have truly co-created theirfreedom lifestyles together.
Their journey begins when theyboth quit their corporate jobs
and move to Australia for whatwas meant to be one year of
travel, fun and a break from theburnout that they were
experiencing in their nine tofive corporate lifestyles.
(00:47):
Well, they decided to go therein February 2020, which we all
know is when COVID was juststarting to take off at scale,
and Australia was one of themost challenging places you
could find yourself during COVIDin terms of a lockdown
situation, not really being ableto leave.
And so that year that was meantto be fun, travel, freedom,
(01:11):
just a break and a rest.
It was that, but it definitelytook a turn.
They ended up starting theirown freedom-based businesses on
that journey and came home witha sustainable lifestyle where
they never had to go back tothose jobs.
Maddie is a digital marketer andbranding specialist, and Jordy
is a business coach for ownerswho want to balance financial
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success with quality life.
In this episode, we talked alot about what it's like to
really co-create freedom withsomebody else, the compromises
that you sometimes have to makeand some tips on how you can
really convince your partner toget on board with, maybe, a
vision that you have.
We get real about things likework-life balance, creating a
(01:53):
business that you're going tolove and a life that goes with
it.
With no further delay, here'sMaddie and Jordy.
Maddie and Jordy, welcome tothe Freedom Lifestyle podcast.
How's your day going?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
today it's been a good day.
I took like a two-hour lunchbreak, so yeah, it's been nice.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
How did you spend the lunch break for two hours?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I actually just met up with another freelancer and
what was supposed to just belike a little 30-minute coffee
meat and greet found out beinglike a two-hour long discussion
of life, business, balance, work, everything.
So it was kind of like a niceunexpected and a day treat.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That's freedom right there.
Jared and I, we worked thismorning and then went to
Whistler for opening ski day inthe afternoon, and now it's
evening and I'm fitting thisrecording in so that we could
still ski and then have thisinterview.
Jordy, did you do anything tofeel free today?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Honestly, not today.
This was a hands down focus day, but I really enjoyed the work
I'm doing and I know it's aninvestment in future freedom.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Amazing Love that.
So the first question I alwaysask my guests is where are you
taking today's call from?
And if you weren't on thispodcast interview right now,
what would you normally be doing?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
How specific do you want?
We're in our bedroom right nowbecause it's the best water and
Aquaticist.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So you're on the Sunshine Coast, right?
Oh, okay, you want broader thanthat.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right.
So we're on the coast ofBritish Columbia, which is a
little 45 minute ferry away fromVancouver, nice, and we're on
the same time zone, so it's 5.30at night.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What are you normally doing at this time?
Are you still working?
Is this pre-dinner vibes?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What do you normally up to, together or separate, I
think we would be exercising,especially after a long work day
of sitting at my desk, is I'mlike I need to move my body from
like a run to a yoga.
Whatever our bodies are callingfor after like a day of sitting
at the desk, it's most of thetime it's movement around this
time 4 or 5 PM is ideal time todo that, and then it really
creates that break between workand life.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And do you usually do the workout together?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Used to I think we do about half together right now.
You know I'll go to CrossFit,she'll go to yoga, we'll go for
runs together once in a while.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But we do a lot together yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You used to both do CrossFit.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That was the used to for me, I don't do CrossFit
anymore after I had a like neardeath experience there.
So now I do Pilates and he goesto CrossFit.
But we like to run together andwe do yoga together multiple
days a week.
So we still do a lot of ittogether, but just not CrossFit.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I love it.
I'm hearing themes on designingyour lives, being intentional
on how you spend your time,making compromises and what
things you do together and whatthings you do separately, which
is exactly what I want to covertoday.
Maddie and Jordy, you've beenin my life for years now, and
it's been such a pleasurewatching both of you take the
leap to build your own freedom,lifestyles and all the
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adventures that that has takenyou on over the last couple of
years, and so, of course, I wantto get into some of those
highlights, but I also want totalk about what that's been like
to do that with a partner.
I feel like that's a story Ihaven't spoken enough on the
show, and I think it's a reallyimportant one.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, this has definitely been an adventure
that we have both been ontogether, like, from you know,
dreaming of freelance to fullyexecuting this dream of ours,
and like achieving these goals,and we've basically been
together and through it everysingle step of the way together,
so it's been a full journey.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It has and, honestly, you and Jared were huge
inspiration for us.
I remember five, six years agowe were in Penticton on the lake
.
Both of us were burning out andin jobs.
We wanted to leave.
And I was just picking Jared'sbrain.
I was like how do you go remote, how do you work from anywhere
you want?
How do you do this?
And looking at what you and himhave built has always been
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inspiring to us too.
So it's great to connect andhave role models as well.
Who do it?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, so the first people, I think, where we
started to look and go oh oh,they're doing that kind of
different.
Like I like that, I like whatthat looks like, that looks good
.
So you kind of were like thespark, hmm, expanders for you.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Do you have other people now, other couples, that
are living alternatively likethis, that you've brought into
your circle since you've gone onthis journey too?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, I've found some of our closest friends we've
made in the last few years andwe've really connected fast
because we're all living thisalternative style where we're
all business owners, we all havethe freedom to travel and take
time off whenever we want, and Ithink, yes, there are people
who just started to think andsay they love you because those
benefits have allowed us to godeeper faster.
We just went to Europe for afew weeks with close friends and
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every morning all of us were onour laptops, you know, sending
emails and doing stuff, but therest of the day we'd be off at
the beach, and that's just notsomething that all of our
friends are capable of at thispoint in their lives with their
businesses or their jobs.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Totally, and that's huge.
So your journey starts with oneepic year-long trip to
Australia, so I feel like weshould start the interview with
that context.
Can you paint a picture for ourlisteners about what was going
on in each of your lives duringthat time when you started to
have the idea to go on thisadventure together?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, do you want me to start?
Should I go first?
Yeah, you go first, okay, we hadbeen dating for about a year at
that point, okay, and we wereboth experiencing our own like
special individual brands ofburnout basically.
And it's funny because, like Iknow, you asked us a question in
the prep where it was like, oh,was there this really
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meaningful moment where youfound the confidence to go
freelance?
And I was kind of laughingbecause I was like I don't think
it was about us like findingthe confidence to go freelance.
I think it was hitting burnoutrock bottom, right.
It almost was us like gettingpushed to this point of being
like, oh, things just have tochange, because we don't feel
good right now.
Jordy had been posing the ideato me of like, hey, we could
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travel, we could quit our jobsand we could do this, but it was
sort of more of a dream wewould talk about and not
something that we really feltserious about actualizing.
But then we each had, you know,instead of our profound moment
of like confidence to go andtake this on, we actually had
our profound moment of burnoutand we each actually have like a
pretty funny story, like originstory, of how that happened.
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For me, it was gettingphysically locked inside the
office building that I wasworking at.
I was working, you know, for asmall agency and I was working
so long and so late that thejanitor, who had like finished
cleaning the building and thenlike security, locked me inside
the building, not knowing that Iwas there.
So it was like too much of ametaphor that I was like
(08:20):
physically locked inside myoffice building for the night.
I had to crawl my way out oflike a cobweb filled dirty
basement window, like into aback alley, like crying, pulling
myself out of this window tojust exit this building so I
could get home.
And it was like the metaphorwas just way too, way too strong
.
And that was like the nightwhere I walked home crying the
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whole time and then when I gothome, I called Jordy and I said,
like book the tickets, let's go, I'm going to hand in my notice
tomorrow and let's go andtravel Australia for a year.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, and mine had happened in a different way but
very similar timeline, and I wastraveling all over North
America for work.
I was often away two to threeweeks a month, living in hotels,
always in airports, and it hadtaken a huge physical and mental
toll on me.
I was having insomnia and I was.
I was really struggling,honestly.
(09:12):
So I was coming back from aEast Coast trip.
I'd been in you know meetingsfor 10, 12 hours a day for the
whole time and then not sleepingwell, and so I'm in an airplane
flying home and I remember justfeeling like I don't even know
if I'm going to make it home.
I'm just so battered and I got anapkin out and I started to
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just try to plot my escape.
So I wrote down what does mylife cost right now to live?
And I was like my rent, my car,my food, what do I spend in a
month?
And then I figured out okay,well, how much savings do I have
right now?
And I divided the savings bythe cost of living and I figured
okay, I could live for over ayear without earning any money
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right now because I've beensaving for a long time.
So I've earned the freedom tobreak free of this trap.
And I also then got home andsaid to Maddie, like I don't
think I can keep doing this.
And the kind of question thatbroke for both of us was what if
we spent the same amount oftime and energy we're putting
into our jobs, where we're highperforming, but we're burning
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out?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And we're doing it for somebody else's business.
You know we're making otherpeople successful with all of
this time and energy and youknow high performance that we're
outputting.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah.
And what if we put that intoourselves and our own businesses
and our own goals?
How much further and fastercould we achieve what we want?
And so those two experiencesplus that question helped us say
okay, we picked a day, it wasmy birthday, so I gave myself a
gift of quitting my job on mybirthday and we flew to
Australia and with no plan, butsome money saved and an
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adventure on the way.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Quit your job on your birthday.
That's risky, because what ifthere was some big drama that
unfolded?
I can't believe you're leavingus, jordy, or any fine print.
How did those conversations gowith each of your bosses when
you told them you're leaving?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, those are hard conversations, because we both
liked the people we worked with.
We liked the work we were doing.
It was just too much.
My boss was very understanding.
I gave him a good heads up.
He was very supportive and then, before I'd even left the room,
he'd offered me a contract todo some future work with them.
So you know, in quitting Iended up creating my then first
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customer.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, same for me.
I think the fact that we weretraveling was like the best
escape.
I think it almost is harder toquit If you're, say, going to a
competitor, or you're justquitting to maybe start.
If you're working at a digitalmarketing agency and you're then
going to go and be a freelancedigital marketer, you're
quitting to become thecompetition, or you're quitting
to join the competition orsomething like that.
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I think that's a lot harder.
I think a lot of people thesedays, if you're just like, hey,
I'm going traveling because Iwant to live my life, they're
like can't argue with it, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And your old boss was also your client, your first
client, right, Maddie.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, exactly I had the same scenario with Jordy,
where my first client actuallywas the agency that I left
because they were like we stillneed some work.
You're the best candidate forthe job.
You know our projects, you knowour systems and our workflow
and you know our clients right,so they actually ended up being
my first freelance clients aswell.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
So I'm guessing you left out of the conversation
that you're completely burnt outand have hit rock bottom and
that's why you need to quit.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh yeah, no, I didn't add that.
I didn't add that in no,because I think at the end of
the day, you know, like businessis business and I think,
especially in the marketingindustry, a lot of these
agencies are small, they have tobe really lean and I don't know
if that would necessarily havebeen relevant part of the
conversation at that point.
You know, it was just I've gotto go, I've got to leave, you
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know, and I'm traveling, and wejust left it at that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Nice, yeah, keeping your relationships is a wise
thing to do.
I think when you're emotionallycharged and you feel like
you've been wronged by your boss, it's very easy to kind of go
and put it all on the table ofhow this place sucks.
And, you know, I wish that Icould make a change and I
couldn't.
And this place is toxic andI've seen people do this, and
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maybe even I'm talking from myown personal experience.
But you just never know when arelationship that you had once
could lead to something in thefuture that you might want.
So very wise.
Did one of you feel like youwere taking the lead or the
charge on this vision in termsof Australia?
The length of time?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I definitely was Something I had done
multiple times in my 20s where Istopped working, I'd saved all
my money and then I'd gotraveling for four or five
months at a time and I had thenstopped doing that for four
years because of the job and Iwas just feeling like I need
that, I need a little miniretirement to reconnect and
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reset, and I was pretty muchgoing to get to the place of
going without Maddie if I had to, but I needed to wait for her
and bring her along if she couldcome.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You gave me the good push, you approached it well.
I had basically like StockholmSyndrome with my own career at
that point, where, like it wasmy whole identity, I just I
didn't really see or understanda reality where I wasn't, you
know, working and climbing myway up through my career.
So it was almost like Icouldn't even quite visualize it
.
And so I think Jordy pushing meand to take that leap was a
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huge changing moment in my lifetoo.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Maddie had actually proposed that we move to London
because she has a Britishpassport and I said that I don't
think London is the place to gorecover from burnout and from
too much pressure in your career, but I think that in Australia
we could spend a lot of time onthe beach drinking beers and
exploring and that that wouldgive us the environment.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, he was like busy city versus white sand
beach, like which one is goingto be best for us to actually
like change our mindsets andrecover and rest.
And yeah, so you definitely hadthe right idea.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Were you planning to start businesses?
Were you quitting your jobswith no plans Like what was the
intention for this trip?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
We just had savings.
So I had savings and Maddieworked really hard and saved up
enough that we had like a threeor four month runway where we
knew we didn't have to work butwe got work visas and the plan
was let's go do fun random jobsthat we haven't done before,
Like Maddie wanted to work in abrewery.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I just wanted to like .
I was so tired of my laptop andbeing behind a computer screen.
I was like I just want to serveIPAs out of brewery to Aussies
near a beach.
It's all I want to do.
Did you end up doing that?
No, because it was.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
COVID so what I was going to say is we.
We landed in Australia inFebruary 2020 and by March,
lockdowns were rolling acrossthe world and we got emails from
Canada saying this is your lastchance.
You all have to come home.
We'll take care of you if youcome home now.
Otherwise, we don't have anyguarantee of what's going to
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happen.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I remember a headline once seeing a headline, and it
was like Trudeau calls allCanadians back to like Canada,
and I felt like personally, likehe was saying you guys have to
leave Australia.
And we were just like no, wejust like uprooted our entire
lives.
We worked so hard and pushed sohard to get to this place.
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We were literally like youcan't make us.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah.
So we stayed and luckily we hadgood family friends in Brisbane
that that ended up housing usfor two months during lockdowns.
And at that point we were likewe have no idea what's going to
happen in our trip, in our year,in our careers.
But A couple things justchanged.
In Queensland, where we were,they eliminated COVID because of
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their approach to shuttingborders and so as of like I
think April or May, there was noCOVID and we were free to
travel and it was this weirdbubble that we were in.
And then the second thing wasremote work exploded right at
the time in our lives where wewere trying to figure out how do
we get remote work, and so itactually kind of conspired to
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help us and over the next fewmonths we bought a used car, we
started traveling Australiacamping, and as we were doing it
we were getting contacted byprevious clients, previous
companies we worked for andstarting to actually get work,
despite not even really havingmuch of an intention of starting
that way.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
They were coming to you.
You had them message you andsay hey, by any chance, can you
pick up some freelance orcontract work while you're out
traveling?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, absolutely.
It happened like quiteorganically, I know.
For me especially it was justpeople and that's one of the
reasons why I always tell peoplelike, maintain those good
relationships throughout yourcareer, because that paid off.
In spades I had people who Ihad worked with previously from
like past agencies, clientsconnected with them who had
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suggested me to other people,and so people were just coming
out of the woodwork justrequesting work.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, well, that's amazing, that's so serendipitous
, and it's clear that that juststarted to snowball very quickly
.
And, of course, you come home.
You're now full business owners, you have your various revenue
streams, you've been free thisentire time.
But for couples who are nowlistening to this and might find
some similarities in terms oftheir own story, where maybe one
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couple has a vision for anadventure that they want to take
and maybe even has someexperience doing it so if you've
done something before, you're,of course, going to feel more
confident that it'll work out.
Maybe the other person hasn'tjumped into this level of
unknown or doesn't haveconfidence and a vision of how
it could work out.
What do you think you did?
Well, jordy, I guess, first ofall in getting Maddie on board,
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and then Maddie, what do youthink the lessons and impact was
for you that you would pass on?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
For me, because I had done it a few times before
where I had just like, quit mylife, put it on hold, gone,
traveling for months at a time.
I knew that every time I gotback I was happier, a better
person and more clear on what Iwanted, and that you can jump
back in and start making moneyagain.
So I knew that if we take thispause, who knows what happens
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with our careers or our lives?
But we're young, we're nevergoing to get this time back and
we can always make more money.
But we can't be 27 again andhave that freedom together.
So all of those things werealways really clear to me.
But going through it together,being aligned, was challenging.
We just talked it throughconstantly of what's the
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alternative?
What if we just stay here,continue to work this way,
continue to grind?
What path does that put us on?
Versus what if we take thisshot and go, have an incredible
year where a lot can change?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And was Maddie receptive and open from the
beginning, like when you weretalking to her?
Could you tell, okay, I feellike I can convince her.
I feel like just a few morespeeches, a few more stories, a
few more nights over dinnerwhere I picture on this vision
it could work, or what was theinitial reactions?
And I guess, how long did ittake for you to go from that
initial idea to getting her onboard?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Honestly, I think it was probably almost six months
of us having this idea andtalking about it and debating.
From what I remember, the bigbarrier at the time was how are
we going to make money and howare we going to afford our
lifestyle?
So we were making like 60K ayear at the time, which was
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enough.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I was not.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We were close to making 60K a year at the time,
which was enough for thelifestyle we had at the time in
Vancouver, but not enough formuch left over and not enough to
get ahead.
We had this fear of if we givethat up, what else is there and
how long can we go.
But saving money was a huge keyfor you.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I mean like born and raised Vancouver right
here.
It is a very expensive city, itis a high cost of living and
you really can get trapped inthis mentality where you're
making a lot of your decisionsbased on finances and how much
money am I making?
It's very easy to buy, to bepart of the hustle culture,
because you have to, even justrenting a one bedroom apartment
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in Vancouver and wanting to haveany type of a life or lifestyle
, you have to be making asignificant amount of money and
if you're not making it, you'vegot to be working hard towards
it.
So it's very hard to thenseparate your mindset from you
know, for me, to be successfulin this city, that means
financial success and breakingfrom that mentality and being
like what if?
Success means more time, morefreedom, more happiness perhaps.
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Like that was a really bigmentality shift for me because I
was really on this one track.
Like I said, I kind of hadStockholm syndrome with my own
career.
I was really on this one trackmentality of like this is how I
have to do this.
So it took, yeah, I would saylike quite a few months of
talking about it, thinking aboutit and then yeah, ultimately I
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don't know if I hadn't had thatrock bottom moment.
I don't even know if it wouldhave happened, but I really did
have to hit rock bottom formyself in terms of burnout and
have that experience of justrealizing like you can't
continue this way.
So you have to try somethingdifferent.
You have to seek a differentlifestyle and new experiences to
break your mentality of whatyou think success and what you
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think your life and your careerhas to be.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Totally, and it's been three years that you've
been on this journey now, sincethis trip to Australia and the
word burnout is interestingbecause I've heard you use that
word since, like when we've beenhanging out socially, our
businesses can also make us feelburnt out.
And so what are those signs andhow does burnout show up for
you and how are you gettingahead of it now so that you
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don't have to hit rock bottom,quit your business, go to
Australia, leave it all behind?
How are you navigating thatmore sustainably when now you're
in the driver's seat with yourown businesses?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
That said, I will quickly digress and say that
Jordy and I still always look ateach other every once in a
while and we say we can alwaysAustralia again.
And when we say that we meanthere is always the chance to
pull, shoot, burn your life downand just go and rent a crappy
old station wagon in Australiaagain and live out of a two
person tent and be just as happyas we are now.
That was kind of something thatwe identified on that trip, and
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a promise that we made to eachother is that just remember that
we can always do this again.
So sometimes there are stilldays where I'm just like should
we Australia or what?
But for me, I think the biggestdifference is that I recognize
burnout now in a way that Ididn't before, like I didn't
understand earlier, likethroughout my 20s, like why I
was just gradually feeling moreand more stress and anxiety and,
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honestly, like debilitatingburnout feeling sometimes.
So now I still do feel burnout,but I can recognize it and I
actually now have so many moremental tools and also the
flexibility and the freedom tothen combat it and to know what
I need to do for myself, to takespace, to take rest, to find
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balance again.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm imagining having that schedule.
Freedom is huge, because itsounds like you were in a
physical office for long periodsof time, whereas now you're
taking two hour lunch breakswhenever you want or whenever
that opportunity comes up.
And so is that what the toolsmean for you, like just the
physical space where, instead ofwork, I can choose to do
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something else?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yep, exactly, if I need to take the space I can, I
can also just take a day off,like yesterday I just took the
ferry into the city and met upwith a friend for brunch and
just didn't work all day Justbecause I decided I needed that
space.
That's not very often Like.
I don't want everybody to startthinking that I'm constantly
like taking days off and doingtwo hour lunch breaks, but I've
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been working really, really hardthe past few weeks and this
just kind of hit a point where Iwas like, okay, you need to now
like combat that and take alittle bit of time and space for
yourself.
Another tool that has beenmassively helpful is that I have
had a mindset coach now forthree years.
She's been with me on thiscrazy journey and she taught me
so many of these tools of how torecognize burnout in myself,
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how to recognize stress, how tohandle it, how to take that
space, recognizing what feelsgood for me, which often is get
out of the house, go and moveyour body, go for a walk, go for
a jog, go for a stretch, and so, yeah, definitely I think
calling in the cavalry andhaving a mindset coach to help
me through and learn those toolswas absolutely key in the
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growth of my business.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Chor, did you wanna add anything about what you've
learned, because you now arealso?
You also have your own business, and are you experiencing
burnout, or is that somethingthat Maddie is experiencing more
than you?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Maddie definitely has a lot more on her plate than I
do right now as I'm more inbuild mode and she's got a full
client roster.
But for me, burnout'sinteresting because there's like
physical burnout where you'rejust super tired.
There's mental burnout whereyou're so done you can't focus,
you're dragging yourself through, and then there's emotional
where you're just kinda givingup.
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I haven't felt any of thosesince I left that job four years
ago.
Amazing, because I've built mywhole life to avoid ever going
back into that place.
So the things that put me intothat, which was the business
travel, I've said no, I'll neverdo business travel again.
Waking up and jamming an alarmand running into the office at 8
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am I don't wake up to an alarmanymore and I start work at 8,
30 or nine or whenever feelsright to me on that day, and so
just a couple of things likethat.
I learned what wasn't workingfor me and then I've really
built my life and my businessaround never having that happen
again, because I'm all about, ifI'm gonna build a business for
the long term, my workload hasto be sustainable, my energy has
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to be sustainable and I wannawake up and be energized for it
every day.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I know you two also really support one another in
building each other's freedomlifestyles, whether it's direct
business, coaching tactics,strategies or the mindset pieces
, when you're noticing someoneis having a thought pattern or
responding to something in a waythat's not helpful.
Curious, maybe a controversial,question how much do you
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attribute your own success tothe relationship, your business
success, your life success, toyou two being together?
Do you ever think about whereyou'd be if you weren't dating?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Oh man, I would probably still.
Honestly, I think I would bedoing very successful in a
career first like working forsomeone else.
I think I would be so manylevels of burnout that the word
doesn't even have like meaninganymore.
I still think that I would besuccessful because we're both
very driven people.
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But I think my life would be sodifferent without Jordy and if
I didn't have this partner, whowas also on the same alignment
with me in terms of what we wantout of our careers in business.
Yeah no, I think my life wouldlook very, very different and it
would be a lot more stressful.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, I mean we have very complimentary skill sets.
So I'm a business coach, I'mreally comfortable with finances
and operations.
Maddie is a marketer, reallycomfortable with branding and
visual.
So we have gaps that the otherone fills really naturally.
So when Maddie is trying tofigure out what's her pricing
strategy, we can talk about thatand I know how to have the
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tools to help her with that.
And then when I'm creating anew brand or I'm struggling with
my message in some marketing,she can come in and just figure
it out like instantly.
So we do have very complimentaryskill sets and I know that
that's helped both of us growand learn faster than if we were
doing it alone and the otherone had no idea what we were
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doing.
I don't know how that happened,but it kind of happens in the
rest of our life as well.
You know, I'm hands on and Ican fix things and Maddie's got
the design and the eye forthings.
So we're very complimentary andI think that we respect the
other's opinion so much morewhen it's in an area that we
don't have that strength.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Would you ever go into business together, because
that sounds like a great no, goon.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
We talked about it many times.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
We thought about doing like a business boot camp
where I'm teaching people someof those things I talked about,
like business finances andoperations, and then Maddie's
doing branding and social mediaand marketing messaging and
again, who knows?
I think we already, because weboth.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Maddie seems to know.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well, because I'm going to say that, because we
both live and work from home, wealready spend all our time
together, and so I think that'sprobably where the note comes
from is, we don't need any moretime together, and we don't.
We also do things differently,we operate differently, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I would say that that is one of.
We've obviously talked a lotabout all of the positives and
how we have supported each otherand assisted each other so much
in building these amazingfreelance careers.
But there is another side to ittoo.
We're already practicallycoworkers and colleagues.
We work out of the same housetogether, just a door away from
each other, every single day.
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We're constantly talking aboutour businesses and workshopping
them with each other, and whilethat is an amazing superpower
that has definitely advanced usthrough these freelance careers,
sometimes it can be too big apart of our relationship.
When people say, would you gointo business together, I would
say no, because I want you to bemy colleague and my coworker,
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but also still my best friend,my partner and my lover, and I
think that thatcompartmentalization and that
having those boundaries isreally, really important for us
as actually a romantic couple,versus two career-oriented
roommates.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Do you each have the same definition of freedom?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, I'd say it's very, very aligned.
We like to work similar hours,we like to travel very
frequently, we like to do a lotof the same things when we're
not working, so that does makeit easy.
I know partners who one has alot of freedom and the other
doesn't, and I know howrestricting that can feel and
how challenging it can be.
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But we're very aligned and Ithink because we started the
journey together from basicallysquare one, where we had no job,
no plan, we were able to buildup together, intentionally and
in alignment with what wasimportant, and we're constantly
dreaming about what comes next,like what else is possible with
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the things in the baseline thatwe've built.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And sometimes those dreams are different, they're
not always the same, and thenwe'll kind of talk about it.
And sometimes we're alsooffering each other challenges,
right, like okay, would you everwant to do this?
Or what do you think about ifwe did that, for example?
And so we do.
We're not always perfectly yeswith each other, but I think our
fundamental ideas of whatfreedom involves is the same for
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us.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, and I think like communication skills are
very strong in your relationshipand also there's a lot of
respect for one another.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Mm-hmm.
Definitely, I think that that'swhat comes from being best
friends since we were 15.
But we've only been dating forfour years, but we've
essentially groomed each otherfrom a young age to communicate
well and to talk properly toeach other.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
So yeah, it's beautiful to watch.
It's been very clear in thisinterview tonight.
So 2024, we have a new year.
You mentioned dreaming up,always thinking about the next
level.
What is the next level for eachof you?
What are we making happen inour businesses, in our personal
lives, in our relationship?
However, you want to take this.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think the biggest thing we're debating right now
is if we get a dog.
It's been something we'vetalked about for years and we're
still trying to debate it andjust trying to figure out how it
fits in our freedom lifestyleand we get a dog that we can
travel with.
Where does it go when we goaway for a few months at a time?
Any time we make a big decision, we just think about what are
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the repercussions for thecontrol we have over our time
and the lifestyle that we'vealready built.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I said to Jordy the other day I was like Sam, send
her cat to Toronto while shegoes away.
We could do that too.
Once again, we're kind of usingit.
So it's interesting becausewhen we kind of hit a place of
like oh, like what, how could weget around this?
We actually often are lookingtowards you and Jared and being
like OK, well, I mean, the catgoes and stays with grandma when
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they're in Costa Rica.
So maybe we could do somethingsimilar right, the cat loves it.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
The cat's a nomad too .
She just turned 10.
She's with me and Whistler.
Right now I think she'ssleeping on the couch behind me,
but cats adapt.
There's solutions for that.
There's the trusted housesitter website I'm using now,
where someone takes care of herin our home or we shipper off
somewhere and then we can Airbnb.
So I think it's just anattitude of all problems are
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solvable and just thinking abouthow it can go right, not all
the reasons it can't work.
So definitely dog.
What kind of dog would you get?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Are you going to tell her, or am I going to tell her?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Go for it.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
What do we want?
Essentially like a miniaturepoodle.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Okay, I figured it would be a small dog.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, it needs to be small, like it's got to be 15
pounds or so, so we could maybebring it on a plane with us.
But yeah, we sometimes getjudged a little bit because we
want like a tiny, small, fluffydog, which, you know, if you're
somebody who loves like huskiesor great Danes or mastiffs, you
know we sometimes get a bit ofside eye for that.
But hey, you like what you like, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I love all animals.
Okay, so you're eating a dog.
What else, yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
For me.
I think more remote, longerstretches of remote work and
travel is really important forme.
Like I said, like I do see whatyou and Jared are doing going
down to Costa Rica and that isvery appealing for me.
We actually are members oftrusted house sitters and Jordy
and I have done house sitting inAustralia, down in the States.
It's an amazing way to haveremote travel and to go and stay
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and work from somewhere forfree and look after a cute
little pet as a little bonus.
So I think exploring moreopportunities like that is
really important for me thisnext year as well.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, I mean I love any chance we can get to work in
a different environment,explore a new environment.
I always find that shifts theenergy and the way we live.
Outside of that I'm just.
I'm really heads down trying tobuild my business up this year,
get more clients, build out newprograms and new ways to help
business owners, and I'm havinga lot of fun with that.
So next year I just see a lotof opportunity to keep
(35:43):
developing what I'm working onwhile also being away going.
You know we're going back toEurope later in the year and
different things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Amazing, I think, flexing that freedom muscle a
little bit more, jordy and I,each in our business, have sort
of these things that we callnon-negotiables, right, and
those are sort of like baselinevalues for the type of business
we want to be running, the typeof lifestyle that that business
is then going to create for us.
And, honestly, for me, one of myreally big non-negotiables was
I don't like to have clientmeetings all the time and I
(36:14):
don't like to be talking toclients on.
I don't like to have zoom calls, things like that, where it's
like super time zone dependent.
So for me, one of the ways thatI actually keep myself nimble
and being able to be flexibleand travel is just being very,
very clear with my clients thatI communicate primarily through
email.
So I don't have to be worryingabout setting up zoom calls and
on a European time zone versus aCanadian time zone, and that
(36:37):
has always been kind of like afundamental non-negotiable for
me in my business, so that Idon't have to be worrying about
where I'm working from and I canjust do it from wherever,
amazing, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And if people want to follow along, potentially work
with you, where should we pointthem to?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I have my business account, which is bomb creative.
I have a grand total of like500 followers there.
But you know, I think I'm atried and true example of how
you actually don't have to be aninfluencer in order to have a
successful freelance business.
So I'm like almost a littleproud of my small following
compared to my actual success inmy business.
And, jordy, you have yourpersonal account.
(37:15):
Jordy's all about LinkedIn, sohe's not so much Instagram.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn because that's where I find the
most success and connection andI like the way people interact
on there.
But you can find me as JordanTate on LinkedIn, or my website
for my business iswwwtheintentionalbusinesscom.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Amazing.
Okay, well, we'll put links inthe show notes if anyone wants
to check out your businesses andlearn more about how they can
work with you and what that'sall about.
So thanks for including thatand thanks for coming on the
show and giving us more of apersonal look at what it's like
to be in this relationship andco-create your freedom together.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, thanks, sam, and thank you so much for having
us on.
This is so meaningful for usand like your friendship, and
also not only that, but likeyour mentorship even in some of
the early days of my freelancebusiness, I was conference
calling you from Australia,being like how do I do this?
So you've been a reallyinfluential part of our journey
as well, and so this is just areally nice moment for us to get
(38:11):
to be on the podcast and justtalk to you about this stuff and
, yeah, shoot the shit.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, it really is.
And to any of your listeners ifthey want to chat to us about
making that leap, figuring outtheir first steps, how to
overcome whatever they'reworking on.
We love talking about thisstuff.
It's like our favoriteconversation, so just reach out
and we'd be happy to chat.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's true, when we have weekends together, it's
kind of hard to turn us off.
We'll just be, in a corner justjamming on these topics and if
someone's not interested in this, it's like oh, I'm so glad we
invited them.
Yeah, whoops, sorry, not sorry,amazing, okay, thank you so
much.
Bye, all right, bye, sam,thanks.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Sam.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Thanks for tuning into another episode If this one
inspired you to take action,but you could use some help on
your plan, or perhaps you've gottoo many ideas bouncing around
in that beautiful brain of yours.
You'd love some clarity on yourstrategy, what you should
pursue first and why.
Well, I am now offeringone-on-one freedom coaching
(39:11):
sessions.
You can book these atbuymeacoffeecom.
Slash what's your free.
This is our opportunity to havea virtual coffee together.
Spend an hour getting clarityon how you can unlock more
freedom and flexibility in yourlife.
On these calls, you can ask meanything, but here are some
things that I'm an expert increating a location, independent
(39:34):
lifestyle, buildingservice-based and freelance
businesses, leveraging the gigeconomy and platforms like
Fiverr, utilizing podcasts tobuild your personal brand and
developing passive incomestreams.
So book your freedom coachingsession with me at
buymeacoffeecom.
Slash what's your free.
I would love to have a virtualcoffee with you.
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