Brian and Wendy from Eve's Hope on the Role of Men in Pro-Life Ministry

On this special episode of God's Way Radio, we promise an enriching conversation with Brian and Wendy from Eve's Hope. Their heartfelt mission is not only about providing medical support but also about spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ to encourage choosing life. From their Palmetto Bay clinic to a dynamic medical mobile unit, they are reaching out to women in need with free ultrasounds, pregnancy tests, and a wealth of community resources. 

We tackle the often-overlooked role of men in the pro-life movement, opening up about the emotional and spiritual responsibilities that come with fatherhood. Through engaging personal stories and biblical teachings, we're challenging societal norms and cultural perceptions around abortion. It's about men stepping up as spiritual leaders, not just in word but in action, supporting women and embracing the blessings of children. Join us as we engage in honest conversations about sexuality, the role of churches, and the importance of fatherhood in shaping a healthier society for future generations.

Finally, we're not shying away from the tough conversations. From the urgency of honest dialogues about sex and marriage within Christian families to the cultural challenges that arise from societal pressures, we are confronting these issues head-on. This episode is a call to action, encouraging listeners to become actively involved in pro-life ministries and volunteer opportunities. With stories of transformation and faith, and practical ways to contribute positively to families and communities, we aim to inspire you to be part of this vital mission. Tune in and be part of a movement that champions life, faith, and community.

Episode Transcript

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Each and every Friday we start out with a segment
that we call Foster Friday, andwe took kind of an extended
break over the holidays, eveninto January, but we're back.
We're back on schedule, excuseme, and we've been praying about
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So we're glad that it lookslike the Lord is leading and
providing to continue this yearand to continue with some of our
familiar faces.
You know you don't see them,thank God, because I have a face
for radio, but but thesehandsome folks here, I mean
you'd love to see them, to meetthem.
But seriously, I mean, I'm sograteful to have you guys back

(01:10):
from eve's hope.
Uh, brian and wendy wementioned, we're missing linda
today.
You know not just missing her,that she's missing, but we're
missing her in our hearts.
Yeah, uh, but, guys, good tohave you, good to have you back
thank you it's great to be here.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah, and and I was tellingwendy I think it's it's uh, I
hadn't seen you guys since lastyear.
Uh, the time goes so fast butI'm glad to get you guys here in

(01:31):
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So, again, you're listening tofoster friday.
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Well, brian Wendy, I love it.

(02:35):
As we were getting ready, youguys had a very specific focus,
a very specific angle in mind.
Today We've talked about theministry issues of pro-life.
Let me start here, actually,because maybe there's folks that
are just joining us Can youjust tell us a little bit about
Eve's Hope, what you guys do,where you guys are at, in case
there's somebody that is not asfamiliar and they're hearing

(02:59):
about you for the first time.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Thank you, pastor Joey.
You know I was thinking aboutthat on the way here.
It's like we're so familiarwith God Ways Radio and, like
you said, it's like being herewith family that sometimes we
forget, in case somebody doesn'tknow, that we are from Eve's
Hope, and Eve's Hope's aministry, and our mission is to
empower and educate women andmen that are facing an unplanned
pregnancy, and we want to equipthem with medical information

(03:23):
and also the truth of the gospelof Jesus Christ, because we
want them to choose life.
But more than that, we knowthat life transformation is
going to happen when they chooseJesus.
So that's our mission and that'sthe goal, and we do it at the
clinic in Palmetto Bay, where weoffer free ultrasounds,
pregnancy tests, counseling, andif someone decides that they do
want a parent, we're equippedwith a list of community

(03:44):
resources to be able to starther off on prenatal care in the
right direction.
But we also have a medicalmobile unit, and Brian serves on
that as well, and so it'sincredible how God has expanded
our territory in ways that wedid not anticipate.
The medical mobile unit was acomplete blessing and surprise
from the Lord that we did notanticipate.
The medical mobile unit was acomplete blessing and surprise
from the Lord.

(04:04):
But here we are entering in ourfourth year third year, excuse
me with the medical mobile unit,and the amount of stories and
women that we've been able toserve on there is just
phenomenal, and so we thank Godfor that.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
And one thing I just want to chime in there too and
to emphasize a little bit ispeople maybe don't think about
adoption as an option.
Right, and we bring that up andnot very many people take us up
on it.
But it's there too and we havemade that happen as well.
And that's just great in aChrist-centered home and that's
a blessing.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
That's a blessing because the ideal situation is
man, a mom and a dad want toraise their child, you know, and
you're giving them thatencouragement to do so, you know
.
But but for those that theywant to choose life, but they
really really just can't, youknow, I don't feel I can do this

(04:57):
.
Hey, man, let that child live,let uh them be placed or or let
god, you know, do do what hewill with their life, but but
choose life.
Um, you, you just broughtsomething to mind.
I think last time you were herethere was a prayer request
reference that that mobile unitI don't know if it was to add

(05:18):
hours or to add stops can youconnect the dots for us?
Did that happen?
Did anything change with it orincrease with it?

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, we do want to expand our hours.
There's a need for weekends.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
So it's still an ongoing prayer request.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yes, prayer request.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
So we have a prayer request because we do need more
sonographers and we have beensearching for that, and so if
people could pray for that, andthen also the expanded hours
that we're looking to have atthe clinic and, uh, on the
mobile unit.
It's, it's a resource, we needresources, but more than that we
need the right people yeah, andthe the sonographer position is

(05:57):
a volunteer position.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
It's a paid position.
Okay, it's a pay.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
So this is perfect for someone who has a full-time
job and just looking for somepart-time hours.
Um, every saturday, we havehours that are available if you
want to serve in that way, andit's a paid position um, you
know, I just I asked becausethere could be someone listening
.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
You never know who's listening.
That's the amazing thing aboutradio.
You know online social mediapodcasts there's.
There's so many metrics thatyou could track.
You know some of these apps,some of these resources.
You could tell exactly wherepeople are listening from.
It's a little crazy, uh.
But radio we can't.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
We have no idea who's listening today, and so maybe
there's a sonographer listeningand god has them listening, just
for yes, hey, if you're a bornagain believer and you're a
pro-life and you're asonographer, rdms or an art
registered nurse, that are is isequipped to do that.
Please call us.
We want to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Amen, amen.
So that's an ongoing prayerrequest.
But, brian, you know shementioned and again I say this
almost as a playful way tointroduce the topic, not to
criticize anything Wendy saidshe mentioned it's a ministry to
tell women about this andintroduce them to this and speak
to the ladies.
But we want to talk about someparticular aspects of the

(07:08):
ministry today.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Right to tell women about this and introduce them to
this and speak to the ladies,but we want to talk about some
particular aspects of theministry today, right, yeah, you
know, obviously men are a partof the equation when it comes to
pregnancy and so they have avoice.
But frequently they don'tactually think they have a voice
Because, you know, the societywe live in has kind of convinced
them that it's her body, herchoice, and that, you know, he's
there just to go along withwhatever she decides.

(07:32):
We get that a lot when the guycomes into our office or onto
the mobile, I'll support herkind of thing yeah whatever she
decides, I'm just here tosupport her and I understand
where that's coming from andit's.
you know, it's a lie thatsociety has fed for quite some
time now, probably since Roe vWade.
You know that's about as old asthat lie is, and so you know,
if you look at the abortionindustry I'll call it it's full

(07:55):
of lies, and so kind of what Iwanted to do is like highlight
three really big lies.
You know that.
I think affect Christian men alot too.
I mean because I know youraudience is mainly believers and
I think, you know, we sufferfrom it because we see about—we
and the national averages saythat about 40% of the women that

(08:15):
are seeking an abortion areactually, you know, evangelical
kind of believers.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
What was the number again?

Speaker 5 (08:21):
About 40%.
Wow, yes, wow.
Go ahead.
And so it's in the church.
I guess is the point.
And so that's why I come at itfrom that angle.
And so all of these are relatedto God, and one of these lies
is that God is not in control ofmy future.
I am, that's one of the lies.

(08:41):
Another one would be God'srules about sex and marriage no
longer apply, because, you know,if people actually took those
rules seriously, we would see alot fewer.
You know and it's women and menobviously Men a big part of
that and that God doesn't get todecide who lives and dies.

(09:01):
Wow, you know.
And so those are really reallybig lies, right?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, I want to tackle those one at a time I
want to talk about those yeahsure, and I just wanted to, you
know, to kind of set the stagefor thinking about abortion.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
You know, what came to my mind when I was thinking
about those three lies is that,you know, king David fell for
those three right in the contextof the relationship with
Bathsheba, you know, because hedidn't follow God's rules about
sex and marriage.
First of all, he didn't do that, and then he thought, okay,
well, I'll just get Uriah andBathsheba together and I'll

(09:36):
cover it up.
So he thought he could controlthe future.
But God was having none of that.
And then he decided, okay, well, I guess I'm going to, you know
, kill Uriah Right.
And so he fell for having noneof that.
And then he decided, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna, you know,
kill uriah right.
And so he, he fell for all ofthose lies.
But yeah, but he never for aninstant thought it would be okay
to kill the baby that bad wascarrying.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's very not for an instant you know, and and I
gotta believe that there's, it'singrained just as a godly man,
you know, again, I mean, we cango off and talk about david for
an hour.
You know the man of god, butbut as a godly man that makes
mistakes, I mean, I mean, again,my gears are just running a
million miles an hour.
You know, think of david rightas an example of man.

(10:20):
God can forgive you.
God is calling you know, godwants to cleanse you from your
past, from your mistakes.
But all that to say that man, agodly person, that man, there's
so many compromises, there's somany things that he considered,
but somehow some way killing ababy, an unborn child, that was

(10:41):
just never on the table Right.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
It's interesting and I think we can learn a lot from
that as men, right, becausewe're all going to make mistakes
.
Maybe we didn't do the rightthing at a certain point in time
, but then it's time to stand up.
Right, it is time to stand up.
And so, as far as more stagesetting goes, proverbs 31, I
just oh, 31.8.
I want to share that.
Please yeah.
It says open your mouth onbehalf of those unable to speak

(11:06):
for the justice of all those whoare passing away, and so it's
so fitting.
And what I want to say is youknow, even you know it's a
societal problem and you knowit's a heart issue, and so we've
got to change people's heartsand as a society, we've got to
do people's hearts and as asociety, we've got to do that.
And men are a big part ofsociety.
And if you can do nothing else,you can certainly speak up.

(11:28):
You can certainly speak upabout the truth, about what it
is.
What was the verse, again, theaddress?
It's Proverbs 31, 8.
Yeah, proverbs 31, 8.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Wendy, anything so far.
I mean, you know it'sinteresting.
Again we're missing Linda.
I don.
You know it's interesting.
Again we're missing Linda.
I don't know if she's listening, you know she'll hear it
eventually, but it's interestinghow Brian had this on his heart
, you know, and you know we havehim here and more opportunity
to hear from him today.
But anyways, anything so far.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Well, I just want to go back to that, to what we hear
a lot at the center and on themobile.
I'm just here to support her,I'll go along with whatever she
wants.
And I know that on the surfaceit may seem like that's a
positive statement, like somehow, as a man, you saying that that
, as a woman, I'm going toreceive it in a way that shows
that you value me or that you'rehere for me, but honestly, it's

(12:24):
so empty.
It doesn't confirm that you'regoing to be with me, it doesn't
confirm that you're going tostay with me.
And where's your voice?
Why are you not standing up forour family, our to-be family?
And so really, the reality of itis that when a man says, well,
I'll just go along with whatevershe wants, you're stepping out

(12:47):
of what God has called you to do, which is to have that
responsibility as a father.
And just a lot of things on mymind from this.
Pastor Joanne mentioned to youthat I watched this documentary,
the Matter of Life Brian it'scalled and it also talked about
the silent victims of abortion.
So you have the baby that iskilled, you have the mom, who is

(13:07):
not going to be in that role,but you also have the father,
and that father, even thoughthat baby's killed, continues to
be a father and has that role.
And so there's this emptinessthat maybe, as men, you're not
recognizing.
If you have, in the past, beenin the situation where you've

(13:28):
been the man or you've eitherpaid for the abortion or she had
the abortion, there's somethingbroken within you yeah there's
something broken within you, andso it's so important to talk
about these things, and I'm sothankful that God has brought
Brian in in his hope, becausehe's really been leading this
thing with the men's ministryand it's just such a critical
ministry.
Abortion is not going to become, it's not going to go away if

(13:52):
the men are not part of theconversation.
This is not a women's only fight.
This is not an only women'sChristian women's ministry.
We need the men, we need thepastors, we need the men's
ministry to step into that roleof speaking up for the unborn.
I'm speaking on behalf of thewomen to let us know that you're
going to step up into the worldthat God has called you to be,

(14:12):
and so I'm encouraged when I seemen taking on that pro-life
fight because it's not apro-life fight.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're standing up for what God has called you to
be.
You know, I've seen a couplethings come to mind and family,
god's Radio family.
If you're listening, we're livehere in the studio.
February the 7th.
We'll be here until 4.30.
You know, one of the things Ienjoy about Eve's Hope crew
coming out is they don't wastethe time.
If they're driving over here,they're going to use the whole
hour.
I love it, I do.

(14:38):
I do Because you know, fosterFridays is a commitment we make
to you guys for at least about15 or 20 or 30 minutes of the
program.
But I know that some people'sschedules don't permit them to
be here the whole hour.
But thus far, and if you guysever have a shorter time, that's
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Now don't feel pressured.
But anyways, they're great,we're going to have the hour
with them.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
But one of the things , Pastor Joey, that we said as
we were talking about cominghere.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's like man that hour goes by so fast it does, it
does.
It's like we have these thingsthat we want to talk about and
then, before you know it, it's4.30.
Yeah, so the phone number tocall or text, so all that to say
that you're invited to call ortext if you just tuned in
786-313-315.
You know, one thing that comesto mind and it's crazy I haven't
thought of this movie inforever, but again, I don't

(15:27):
think have that so much becauseyou're out there on the front
lines of ministry, but I thinkso many folks listening could be
in that case.
You know there's this old movieFast Times at Ridgemont High.
Do you guys remember that one?
I don't, and it's not a goodmovie, nobody watched that movie
.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's an old movie, so don't go home and watch it.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
But there's a scene in there, or there's a story arc
in there, where there's asexually immoral relationship
and the guy is going to pay forthe abortion and he's trying to
scrap cash together and then hekind of chickens out and then
the girl's brother takes her,and it's just a cultural, it's a
little what's the word?

(16:10):
It's like a window into theculture.
It's like wait a second, why,why, why are we, even you know?
And then her brother takes herand it's this whole normalized
thing right?

Speaker 5 (16:13):
yeah, they're planting the idea and they're
normalizing that sort of a thing, right.
And and another thing I thinkthat was really impactful about
that, um, that documentary, uh,going back to the documentary
yeah, it it.
It asks a question kind ofthroughout, and it's a it's a
fundamental question is theunborn or the pre-born one of us
?
Uh, you know, because in, andthen in my mind, because that is

(16:37):
the fundamental question, right, yeah, uh, because you know,
one of the lies I said thatwe're we're susceptible to is
that god doesn't get to decidewho lives and dies.
And the subset of that specificto abortion is a baby in the
womb is not a person, soabortion is not murder, right,
and so that that's one of thelies.
That is it.

(16:58):
And so if you answer truthfully, is the unborn one of us?
Then you see the procedure forwhat it.
Is the unborn one of us, thenyou see the procedure for what
it is.
And so I think, just raisingthe awareness that you know,
again, life begins at the momentof conception and it's just a
different looking me than rightnow.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, another Bible verse again about men, right Men
standing up.
First Corinthians, chapter 16,verses 13 to 14 be watchful,
stand firm in the faith, actlike men.
This from the esv be strong,let all that you do be done in
love.
You know, as we keep going tothat conversation, that comment
you guys hear at the center oh,I'll support her whatever she

(17:39):
wants.
It's really a man relinquishingthe choice, the responsibility.
Oh, I'm not I'm not gonna i'twant to decide this, and it's so
the opposite of what men arecalled to do.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Right, because the man is called to be the
spiritual leader of the home,and so it flips the roles, and
so it's definitely not abiblical way to go about it.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, and Wendy, if you could chime in on this, how?
Again, right, there's abuses ofdifferent things, but
biblically right.
I mean this phrase could betaken wrong but that's why I
have the two of you here.
Women want to be led in thesense of biblically, right?
I kind of put a question markat the end of that.

(18:23):
You're here with us, wendy,right?
They want the man that god hasput in their life in a season is
their father if, if they getinto a, um, a sexual
relationship, it should leadtowards marriage.
Now, you've complicated thetiming of things, you know, but.
But the point being thatpartner, he should be the leader
.
There's a, a peace, there's asafety for a woman.
I think that's what I'velearned and seen and you know

(18:44):
what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
As I'm listening to brian, I thought exactly that
pastor joey is like how manywomen might be listening that
are digging their heels in theirhearts about this, and I used
to be one of them.
You know I had bought into thislie that doing that being part
of a relationship how god builtit would somehow devalue me.
Now I'm a type A personality.

(19:07):
I've been in politics and I'vebeen a leader and I always want
to lead.
But there's just somethingreally beautiful as I healed
from past trauma, as I healedfrom things that happened to me
in my childhood, as I healedfrom just dumb decisions that
I've made, that I recognize thatme digging in my heels, not
understanding how God created meas a woman and not

(19:29):
understanding men's role, thatit wasn't really.
I was devaluing myself and atone point, fighting into this,
like what it means to be a woman, and I'm not going to let any
man lead me.
Can I tell you something?
It's exhausting and you see theburnout in women that think
they don't need a man lead me.
Can I tell you something?
It's exhausting and you see theburnout in women that think
they don't need a man, theydon't need a husband that all of

(19:50):
this is submissive.
You get emotionally exhaustedbecause that's not how God
created us.
And there's nothing morebeautiful like the Proverbs
woman I mean.
God says, right there, she'ssmart, she's business savvy, she
looks after the affairs of herhousehold and there is.
So there's nothing devaluingabout how God created us and us

(20:12):
as women stepping into that role.
Because I want my husband andhe's an awesome husband, cedric
I want him to lead and I wanthim to lead well and I want to
be able to rest in how Godcreated me to be the nurturer of
the house, to be the housemanager.
I manage our finances.
That's how God has gifted me.
But to see my husband step upinto that role gives me that

(20:33):
peace and I don't feel burnt out.
And I don't feel burnt out andI don't feel emotionally
exhausted when I see my husbanddoing what god has called him to
do amen, amen.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
We got a text from one of our listeners.
Um, it came in as we're talkingabout, uh, men leading and that
, and then, you know, you justelaborated and repeated.
She said yes, we do rightagreeing with what you're saying
.
And then they said I wish thisconversation one was on
mainstream radio for all to hearsuch an important message.
And they texted earlier dadsare important too.

(21:02):
Uh, well, that's god's radiofamily.
That's where where you can getthe word out.
You know about god's radio.
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We're going to be here everyFriday 3.30 pm or have a
recorded interview for FosterFriday.
We're here with some of thefolks from Eve's Hope talking a

(21:25):
little bit more specificallytoday about men's role, men's
responsibility when it comes topro-life or speaking up against
abortion or speaking forchildren.
I mean all these things.
Brian, I wanted to kind of lookat those one by one.
What was that first lie againthat you mentioned?

Speaker 5 (21:46):
The first one that I said was that God's not in
control of my future.
I am, and you mentioned acouple examples of that already.
Yeah, and because I thinkthat's what people think right,
both the women and the men it'snot just men, but you know, the
men are thinking specificallywhen it comes to not saying what
they feel to the woman in theequation.

(22:07):
They're like, well, maybe I'm,maybe I'm going to lose her
Right, so if I don't reallyinsist that I want this baby,
you know I won't lose her.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Let me ask you this, brian I know I'm interjecting in
your experience and and orwendy, right, as you see, the
men does it seem like more, morethan the ladies, or, more often
than not, the men want the baby, they want to raise this kid,
they want to be a dad.
What's your take on that?

Speaker 5 (22:37):
yeah, it's a.
It's a.
It's a tricky answer okay inthis sense, right, uh, the ones
that actually come to theappointment, yes, okay, but more
than half the time they don'tcome to the appointment, okay.
So, uh, you know, take that forwhat it's worth.
If the guy is interested enoughto show up to the appointment,
it usually means he wants thebaby, to be honest.
But still, he hasn'tconvincingly told her that and

(23:02):
that's where the, because hethinks he's controlling his
future.
He's like well, I'm afraidbecause, if I don't do this, if
I say this thing, maybe she'sgoing to leave me right, but on
the flip side, though, that'sreally what she wants to hear.
And he's not saying it, and sohe doesn't trust God with his
future.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, and I want to come right back to the list, but
, wendy, something that justpopped in my mind and heart and
if it's timely from the Lord,there's a website that people
could give.
It's kind of like the outreachwebsite Pregnancy Options.
What is it?

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That's our client website.
It's called Pregnancy OptionsMiami.
We reach her where she is and,yes, eventually she's going to
hear God and she's going to hearabout Jesus.
But where she is in that moment, she needs to be reached in a
way.
What is she looking for?
She's looking for her options.
So, PregnancyOptionsMiamiorg isour client website and you can

(23:56):
find a 24-hour seven-nurse chatline that's available there, but
it's to cater to the women andmen that may be looking for
those services.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I wanted to get that website out because, again, for
a while I didn't understand thedifferent websites, but now I
get it, I totally get it and Iwant people to know that website
that if they, if they encountersomeone in crisis, if they
encounter someone that that youknow, all they can say is hey,
here, check out this website youknow, just just check out this

(24:24):
website.
You know they're.
They're not going to beapprehensive.
It's not going to sayjesuslovesthebabiescom.
You know which he does, but youknow what I'm saying.
Yeah, ministry, the way jesusdid.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, you know the women at the at the well, the
samaritan woman at the well,jesus didn't come out and reveal
himself immediately.
He wanted to speak to her, towhere she was even confronting
some of the situations that shewas in, and then eventually she
was the first person that she herevealed himself as the messiah
too, and it's beautiful.
Her response is beautiful, andso that's the approach that's

(24:55):
doing ministry the way thatjesus did.
It is how we built that optionsmiami website for her to speak
to her in her moment of whereshe finds herself pregnancy
options miamiorg, orgorgexcellent.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
What was that second bullet point you had there,
brian, that second, before weget to that, I want to share
another one that you may notthink that this is associated
with, because sometimes thepregnancy is a surprise, right?
They're not expecting it, andthe reason they're not expecting
it is because both of them aretaking precautions right.
And then all of a sudden ithappens, and that's another
example of them not actuallybeing in control of their future

(25:32):
.
but God is because it's likethey thought it was impossible
their future.
But God is because it's likethey thought it was impossible.
And this is when I find thatthe guy is, you know, in those
cases that's when he's moreabortion-minded actually,
because he thought he was takingall the precautions, this was
not going to happen, this can'tbe my life.
But yeah, like the next one was, god's rules about sex and
marriage no longer apply, youknow, and that also you get into

(25:54):
the roles of a man and a womanin that a little bit.
But you know, most of the timewhen people come in they're not
married, you know.
And so people tend to thinkwell, you know, god says that he
wants it this way, but I don'thave to listen to that.
That's outdated.
You know, I should be able todo what I want, frankly.
But then the consequence ofthat is what it is.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I should be able to do what I want and not have
consequences, right right, um,you know either of you.
What's been your experience?
I mean, you know we, we all goto different churches and we
fellowship in different placesand, again, many believers
listening to god's way radio.
What's been your experience?
What am I trying to ask you?

(26:37):
How needed is that reminder forChristians and churches, or is
everybody just totally pure?
Nobody's fooling around withthis?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
This is why there's this urgency.
So, we're praising God thatAmendment 4 failed.
It did not get to 60% in thestate of Florida.
So the abortion law in thestate of florida continues to be
up to six weeks unless you'vebeen raped or you're a victim of
human sex trafficking, andthere's exceptions and rules to

(27:06):
how you can get an abortion pastsix weeks if you fall into one
of the four categories that arementioned in the law.
But the amendment filled by alittle less than 3%.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Right, that was close .

Speaker 3 (27:17):
So it took both pro-abortion people and in the
church people to get to thepercentage that it did.
So that means maybe someonewon't speak up and like what you
said at the beginning is wewant to have an honest
conversation.
I would love for a born-againbeliever to share with me why

(27:37):
they feel that abortion shouldbe allowed up to birth, because
let's talk about it, let's talkabout what's going on.
Let's address this.
So this is definitely that inthe church.
Not only do they.
There's just two thingshappening here.
They have taken God out of theconversation about abortion

(27:59):
because they want to determinefor themselves what is justice,
right.
They want to determine forthemselves what is the
appropriate way to have careeradvancement to have financial
stability, and so you basicallyask god to take a seat.
Let me try and figure out,within my own limited scope of
understanding if a woman israped, what is justice here, god

(28:20):
, and that's how you get intothese scenarios.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
You have to start to set the boundaries and figure it
out.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Get God out of that conversation in order for any of
this nonsense to make sense toyou to your mind and your heart,
and so we need to talk about itin the churches and we're going
to get back to it.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
We actually have somebody on the line, so we're
going to get back to it.
We actually have somebody onthe line, so we're going to take
that call here.
Good afternoon, you're live onGod's Way Radio.
Where are you calling?

Speaker 6 (28:44):
us from St Petersburg Florida.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
St Petersburg, florida.
My brother, we have guests herewith us today.
We're talking about pro-life,the role of men, what God wants
to do, the, the issues we needto be praying about.
What's on your mind, uh, today?

Speaker 6 (29:00):
well, um, I'll make it short, and really I know a
lot of people thank you, thankyou okay, you remember those
little bugs that will light upin the middle of the night and
you will catch them like alittle.
I forgot the name of one, butlightning bugs, or yeah, fire,
yeah, yeah put them in a littlejar and make a little hole on
them, because if I don't makeholes they will die.
And you go to your and I go tothe scripture on that and you go

(29:25):
.
What do you mean?
Okay, if I send you a textright now, a text, and they say
in four days later you werelooking for an apartment and I
send you a text and four dayslater you were looking for an
apartment and I sent you a textbefore.

(29:46):
Later you answer an example andI were hey, joy, I sent you a
text, well, four days ago, aboutyou were looking for an
apartment, or I forgot about it.
What happened those four dayswhen you went back to call um,
it's already.
Um, it's already.
Somebody took it over already.
Somebody it in already.
Don't wait too long, don'tleave a gap for the enemy.
Kill it you kill it right awayif that's the end of your text,

(30:06):
receive that text right away,because you're leaving a gap for
the enemy you're putting asmile on my face.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
When you say text, I think of God's word.
But then God's radio right thetext.
But then God's radio is like avoice memo.
It's like God's voice memo.
He's leaving people a voicememo today.
Hey, stand up for the helplessman.
That's awesome.
I love that picture you painted.
Any closing thoughts?

Speaker 6 (30:32):
Yes, the lady that just spoke, man, she's speaking
about the Word of God.
Man, that's awesome.
I tell people when I speak tosomebody that doesn't believe in
Jesus, maybe I go.
Let me ask a question do youbelieve everything that's in the
Bible is true?
No, I don't.
Then we have nothing to talkabout, because you're going to
try to put a four-inch inside aToyota and it's not going to fit

(30:55):
.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
No than those new toyotas man.
They're too small, exactly no,I'm just kidding.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
You don't believe the word of god is true, yeah, and
it's about abortion.
If you don't believe it's true,then we're going to be all day
talking, and talking, andtalking.
You're not that biblicalfoundation if you do believe we
talk you know you're confirming.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
You're confirming what's been said.
I think it was Brian or Wendy.
They both said it at some pointin their visits with us.
If we can change their heart,they're going to make that right
decision.
Brian, wendy, anything you wantto say to our caller before we
let them go for the afternoon?

Speaker 5 (31:29):
No, just thanks for calling in.
We appreciate the participation.
We appreciate other voicesspeaking out on this, though, so
keep bringing up God's word.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, may God give you favor in the places and
spaces where he has put you towork.
They're in St Petersburg.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Amen.
Thank you, brother.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Thank you, and I'll close it with this, those
brothers I just spoke to on theradio pray for them, pray for
them, pray for them.
God bless you.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Thank video.
Pray for them, pray for them,pray for them.
God bless you, thank you.
Thank you so much.
That was uh saint petersburg onthe line.
Hey, you can be the next one tocall or text us at the studio
786-313-3115 you know, I guess,brian, what I was trying to get
at with that second lie, thatbullet point, and I'll have you
reread it here in a moment.
You know people are constantlytuning in, but I guess I don't

(32:18):
know.
Maybe I'm thinking of dads,pastors, youth leaders, young
adults, leaders, man, don't justassume.
Uh, the people, even olderfolks, right are, are just are,
are dealing with sex, sexualitybiblically right, and exhort
them, encourage them, warn themabout sin, warn them about
consequences.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Um, and seeing if you agreed with that, you know,
yeah, right, so god's rulesabout sex and marriage no longer
apply.
That's the lie right so that'sthe lie and you know definitely
I mean it's not, it's.
If there's a man in your life,or a young man especially in
your life, it's applying.
You know it applies.
And I know even inside the youknow, a Christian family, at

(33:02):
times it can be hard to talkabout these things.
It's kind of awkward perhaps.
Maybe you feel a little bitweird about it, but it's one of
those conversations that if theydon't hear it from you as a
father, let's say to your sonthey're going to hear it from
somebody and they're going tohear something different than
what you would share with them.
And so it's.
It's really important to youknow, get over that little

(33:23):
awkward hump.
Let's say, if it exists and andand just just talk about it and
then you can.
You can break out the wordRight.
And you know there's somethingthat's been on my heart to share
too.
You know this is really, Ithink you know men talking to
other men just point out thisverse.
You don't hear too many umsermons on it, but you know it's
exodus from exodus 22, so acouple chapters after the 10

(33:44):
commandments, god is stilltalking to moses, right, and
this is what he says, startingat verse 16 if a man seduces a
virgin who is not betrothed andlies with her, he shall give the
bride price for her and makeher his wife.
So God is really serious aboutthis right.
Sexual relations are a seriousbusiness and according to God,

(34:04):
the way I see this verse is ifyou're willing to have sex with
her, you're willing to providefor her for the rest of your
life.
In God's eyes, and we don't saythat to our sons and the other
young men that we know.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
We don't say that that's powerful man yeah and
then Brian, the importance of sohe says men, fathers to sons,
but there are boys and young menin our churches without fathers
, absent fathers.
And so this is where the churchmen then become the spiritual
fathers.
Amen.
And they need to step in andand let me tell you, as you were

(34:38):
, that image of of a fathertalking to his son.
I did a tour with some highschoolers on the medical mobile
unit.
Oh, they came on a medicalmobile unit okay so what we do
with the youth, one of the waysthat they can serve ease hope is
they do the car washing.
Awesome of the mobile.
It needs a couple, like maybeonce every three months it needs
to be done, and so the youngpeople, they come on, they do

(35:01):
the car wash.
But before they do that, we givethem a tour so that we can
speak to them about abortion sothat we can speak to them the
truth about these consequencesthat we talk about, and so but I
I did it separately.
I did with a group of um middleschoolers and high school girls
and then the boys, and with thegirls they really opened up and
one of the things that theycomplained about was we can't

(35:21):
talk to anybody about this, butat school we're pressured
because everybody's having sexand if you're not having sex.
These are middle school and highschool girls that I was talking
to and they were sayingeverybody, this is like the
thing If you're not having sexand you're weird, and and then
if you're weird, you're bullied,but and so I asked them well,
if you have a question or if youare frustrated because you feel

(35:43):
pressured to do something thatyou don't want to do, who do you
talk to?
And they just kind of stayedquiet because this is not a
conversation that they can havewith their moms.
They don't feel comfortableculturally.
Some of the the, a lot of thegirls that I was talking to come
from latino families and theysaid this is not something that
we can talk about it.
So this, really, we need toeliminate a taboo around this

(36:04):
yeah and so the point I wantedto make also was then I had the
boys in front of me and can Itell you something, that was the
most awkward thing, and Irealized in that moment that I
should have had my husband dothe conversation and not myself,
because that was just weird.
It wasn't my role to be able tospeak to the boys and the young
men there, and so we need themen to then step into that role

(36:26):
and have that conversation I'mso grateful for you, for you
sharing that and being sovulnerable and so honest.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
And again it just hits home, hammers.
What in what you're saying,brian, that you know wendy, an
godly lady, that this is at theforefront of her mind, and for
her it was tough and awkward.
Imagine the void, right?
If men are not talking to youngmen, if you're not talking to
these students, no one's goingto be talking to them, right?

(36:52):
They're going to get it.
I mean, again, you know, Isometimes I hesitate.
We have such a large audience,we have students just listening,
really young students, you know.
But but look, in case you'renot connecting the dots here, in
case god is really, there'ssomeone out there listening.
They're gonna learn it frompornography.
They're gonna learn it frommovies.
They're gonna learn it fromthose kids that are pressuring

(37:13):
them at school.
They're gonna learn it becausethey're gonna be taken advantage
of or assaulted God forbidbecause they don't know what's
going on.
Again, I really don't want tosay a lot of those examples, but
this is real stuff for thefolks listening.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
We want to step up and again I'm looking at Brian
here a lot today especially asmen.
I mean, that's what God put onyour heart.
I mean these are the influence,the tremendous influence that
men have in a society, right, Imean, brian, I want to hear from
you.
You're our guest today.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
No, absolutely.
I mean, and this is the otherthing In my men's group, we're
going through Mark, right, andat the start of Mark there's a
quote from an Old Testamentprophecy, and the part that's
referenced, it's the very end ofthe Old Testament, right, and
John the Baptist, essentially,is going to come.

(38:08):
That's what they're pointing out, but what is one of his roles?
His role is to turn the heartsof the fathers to the children,
and so that apparently isconnected with the ability to
turn the hearts of the fathersto the children, wow, and so
that apparently is connected,you know, with the ability to
recognize the Messiah, you know.
And so I think that's justprofound, you know, and I think
that's what our society needs.
Right, we need to turn thehearts of all the men towards

(38:30):
the children, wow, because God,he really doesn't like it when
the fatherless are not takencare of, really doesn't like it
when the fatherless are nottaken care of, you know.
And so if, if you're a manwho's about to be a father, uh,
then you should be fighting withall you have to take care of
your unborn baby, to make surethat the baby is born in the
first place, and and like, likeyour, you know, foster Friday.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
If there are children out there without fathers, then
the rest of us men have got tostep into that gap too, you know
, and as far as Foster Friday, Imean, I think that most, if not
anyone that works in the space,would agree, man, if we could
address the issues of childwelfare and foster care before
even they're outside of the womb.

(39:11):
Praise the Lord, let's do that,let's minister to parents and
families and keep them together.
I mean that's, you know, allthese things are so connected.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yes, so connected, and you know, to what we're
speaking about today, is one ofthe things that I also think
about is well, how did thishappen?
How did it happen that?
background men's, uh, the roleof the man, has been confused,
and people are confused andthey've turned what's truth into
what's not true, and and all ofthis, and it's really again
going back to the silence ofchristians, the silence of the

(39:43):
church, in that when the supremecourt stepped in and started to
assign rights this is a woman'sright, this is a woman's right
that then, as believers ofchrist, we just stayed silent.
And so then the culture shiftedand this whole, and they've
hijacked something that.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
God created for good.
You're talking about in the 50s, yeah, in the 60s and 70s.
The 60s okay.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
While the church was quiet and trying to be I guess,
decent is the way that I'veheard it say that they were
trying to insult people and therights and the rights of this.
So then the church andChristians stayed silent.
And then culture took over withhijacking everything that God
intended to be good, everythingthat God said to be truth, and
that this became a woman's right, a woman's topic.

(40:27):
The men stayed quiet.
It's not your body, not yourchoice, it's my body, my choice.
And here we are, where the menthink that it's empowering to
tell a woman I'll go withwhatever you want to happen.
And so now, as men, you've gotto take that conversation back,
you've got to place.
You allowed government and theSupreme Court to take you out of
that equation.

(40:48):
So now the silence now has tonot be silent anymore.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
You need to speak up with a voice Right and
everything did get flipped onits head and it's all turned
inside out, and it's all youknow.
The truth is a lie, you know,and day is night and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Scripture says it yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Because, if you think about it, you know the unborn
is one of us.
Yeah, it's a child, it's goingto be an adult, you know it's
going to be a man or a woman asit grows right.
And it's such a blessing.
And, in fact, when God createdman and woman, that's the first
thing that he said to them wasbe fruitful and multiply.
After the flood, he blessedNoah be fruitful and multiply.

(41:25):
So we should not ever think ofa child as a burden.
It's a blessing, it's the firstthing God blessed us with.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Well, I have a story.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Let me give the phone number one more time.
Like you guys said, I mean timegoes so fast.
It's probably been 10 or moreminutes since I've given out the
phone number.
If you're listening right now,you're thinking phone number.
What you know.
This always happens, guys.
People say no, I didn't want tocall because the conversation,
but you're part of theconversation, you can be part of
the conversation.
We want you to be part of theconversation.
You know that same sister.

(41:56):
We have some super fans here.
So she texted again.
She said praise god forbringing these two bold voices
today.
But you might want to text witha word of encouragement.
You might have a specificquestion that you would like to
ask you to send that over text,or you might want to call again
the phone number to our studiofor your limited time
opportunity.
There's not one of those uh,your raffles here.

(42:16):
No, this is a true limited timeopportunity to participate
today in a very importantconversation.
The phone number is786-313-3115.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
So I'm remembering a client in 2023, and she came to
the center, found out she waspregnant, did not want to move
forward with the pregnancy, wasgoing to have an abortion, and
he then became part of theconversation and you know who
kept calling us for moreinformation.
It was him.
He was the one that set up thedoctor's appointment.

(42:52):
Now, they were not in arelationship, but he really
became the champion of that baby.
He went to the doctor's office.
He made sure that she showed upto the appointments, whatever
applications needed to becompleted.
He went to the doctor's office.
He made sure that she showed upto the appointments, whatever
applications needed to becompleted.
He was the one that got on thecomputer.
And I remember one Saturday,specifically, this poor guy.
He called the center, Ianswered the phone and he was
just so stressed out,emotionally spent, just didn't

(43:15):
know what else to do because shestill did not want to go
forward with the pregnancy.
And so I connected him with oneof our care coordinators on
Saturday and they connected andwere able to speak.
But I just fast forward to thisbaby girl was born.
This baby girl was born and shewas born because he championed
her life.
And guess what, once she wasborn, now the mother is like

(43:35):
telling us oh, she's the mostbeautiful thing, I love her,
she's my daughter.
But that's not who championedthe life.
It was a, it was the dad.
Now they're still not in arelationship, but that didn't
matter to him.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So you're saying he wanted.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
He wanted to do whatever it took, reach out to
whoever was going to help him tomake sure that his daughter was
born so you're saying that aman that stood up and said his
opinion and stood his groundactually exerted a positive
influence in a situation?
yes, yes, amen, that's whatwe've been saying guys, yes, you

(44:08):
could do it, guys, you could doit, men, you could do it.
Uh, brian, I want to make sureto cover that third point that
you mentioned.
Just make sure, you know, Ireally, because I, you, you,
read them and it's like man, itwas, it was just those three
points are so significant.
What was the third one?
Again, that third lie that evencreeps into the church.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Right, yeah, the third one was God doesn't get to
decide who lives and who dies,and you know, and that's really
insidious in our culture thesedays.
I mean that's what abortion isall about.
If you think about euthanasia,mean that's what abortion is all
about.
Um, if you think abouteuthanasia, that's what that's
about too, not to say, um, youknow, and canada has gone a long
way down the wrong path in inthat regard um, yeah, you know,

(44:52):
I, I, I share this.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
You know it's interesting.
The lord hasn't allowed me tobe in a place yet where I, I, I
use this in in like aconversation where somebody is
really on the other side of theissue.
But I kind of mentioned this tobelievers, to, you know,
friends and stuff to equip themif they ever talk to someone.
But the whole idea that youknow it's such a slippery slope.

(45:15):
Oh, you know, there's thesereasons for abortion, there's
these reasons for euthanasia,for abortion, there's these
reasons for euthanasia.
You know, and, and and again.
When you, um, what's the word?
When you take that argument toits end, and and, and, and, you
realize, man, you're talkingabout killing elderly, right in.
In some cases where peopleargue for, uh, they have an

(45:36):
acronym to make it sound betterassisted suicide in in canada
and europe, there's a longeracronym.
It like, it even sounds like apleasant word or something.
It's, it's terrible, but, um,once you say that, they're like
oh no, and like, yeah, actuallythat's what, that's what you're
talking about, and and and it'ssuch a slippery slope.
And then you see how it's justexpanded.

(45:57):
Right since the 60s or 70swe've been talking about
quote-unquote abortion and now,uh, end of life, um, early death
, whatever you want to call,it's being normalized.
I mean, god getting to decidewho lives or dies, and it's
again, it's, I'll say this, andand brian, wanting to hear more

(46:18):
from you, and wendy, you know,having a limited time with you
guys, it's even.
I'm wrestling with the wordconsequences, because we talked
about how children are ablessing, but hey, you know,
nine months of pregnancy orinterruption in your career or
whatever it is, that's, that'sjust the consequences of the
actions.
Don't punish the child.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Well, and the misconception too.
Misconception, too, is that,you know, whenever anyone wants
to argue pro-abortion, theyalways go to those extremes
right, which is like 0.02percent of the abortion cases
are in rape, incest and thesekind of situations and that that
number, that small number.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
You guys see that every day, the people that come
to you at the center this is aquestion are not that's not the
majority of people where.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
That's why in previous um episodes that we've
been here, we've talked abouthow most of these babies are
being aborted at the altar ofconvenience.
It's a convenience issue, is ayou know, it's going to get in
the way and and me having thiskid, or I was with him, I got
pregnant, now we're not togetheranymore, so I don't want to
have his baby.

(47:23):
I mean, that's the kind ofconversation and I don't say it
in a condescending way because Ihave to tell you that one of
the most common feedbacks thatwe get at Eve's Hope is that
they felt respected, loved andvalued.
Amen.
And that is the atmosphere atEve's Hope.
We don't want to talk down toher.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
We don't want to judge her.
It sounds like God's atmosphere.
It sounds like God's heart.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, Well, they can't pinpoint.
but what they're experiencing isthe Holy Spirit atmosphere.
When they talk about peace,chaos is going on in their minds
and in their hearts and theycome into a space where the Holy
Spirit is very much presentbecause of the prayers and the
people, of people there, um andso, but, but these other
conversations that we have, it's, it's this convenience matter

(48:04):
as to why abortion needs to takeplace.
Brian, going back to I cancontrol my future is the most
ridiculous thing.
That to think that on the otherside of abortion there aren't
consequences.
There are emotional, physical,spiritual consequences to having
an abortion, and I can speakthat to truth of my own
testimony is that things areintroduced into your physical

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health that you did notanticipate.
After I gave birth, I was not.
My son almost died 29 years ago.
Him and I almost died because Idid not know that my uterus had
been damaged from two previousabortions that I have had, and
so he's born.
He's 29 years old now, but Iwas never able to have any other
children and I lamented that.
I lamented that in my heartbecause I imagined that once I

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was stable, that I would be ableto have more children.
But you know what, the Lordknew what devastated my heart
and he's given me a total of sixkids to raise.
And through marriage andthrough a niece and a friend,
I've raised a total of sixchildren, even though I've given
birth to one.
That's amazing, because that'swho God is.
Again thinking that you'resomehow going to manipulate the

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outcome based on the decisionsand choices that you made today
and I say that story over andover again it's just.
You cannot box God in to whathe's able to do with a heart
that is obedient to how he wantsto do things.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
You know that.
That's why god's a radio family, if you're listening.
That's why we gotta have ourfriends back on a continual
basis, because in all the timeswe've spoken, I've never heard
the whole story.
I've never heard that story andall the times that we've spoken
so I'm wow, wow, wow, wow.
Just talk about beauty forashes, talk about what the devil
intended for evil.
God turns it for the good.

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I mean praise Jesus.
Brian, you know we're talkingabout convenience and even me,
you know, before thisconversation today, I just
automatically think of, oh, theladies' convenience.
But how have you seen guyswrestle with that, with, oh,
it's their convenience or it'stheir life?
Or could you elaborate on thatof how the guys are thinking

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some of the same things?
Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (50:08):
and they don't want to move on from there.
Or they want to travel and theyfeel like you know the child is
going to get in the way of thetravel.
Or you know they got plans fortheir business and they just

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can't see how that's all goingto fit in.
It's mostly because they'rejust they don't understand
what's good in life.
We'll put it that way.
And they don't understand allthe good that's going to come
because that baby is born andbecomes a part of their life
We'll put it that way and theydon't understand all the good
that's going to come becausethat baby is born and becomes a
part of their life, and so theycan't see that and they're just
focused on what it is that theywant and that they think the

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baby is going to prevent themfrom being able to realize.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You know, again, I want to be so short because you
know you are a guest and I cantalk anytime, but in the
conversation man, you knowguests and I, I can talk anytime
, but but in the conversationman, you know it's, it's.
There's so many aspects to tobeing a man, to being a dad.
You know, we've, we've, we havethree kids at home right now.
We've, we've raised it.
You know, for one time oranother four, we had a foster
son.
He went back with his familyand it's, it's just one of those

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things like to to.
You know, I mentioned thatbackground because even being a
dad to that boy, uh, you know,to malachi, even being a dad to
him, just for six months, it'slike I wouldn't trade that for
anything just to have thatopportunity, even for six months
.
You know, and uh, and it's just, I don't know, I don't know,

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brian, it's, it's one of thosethings that you, like, you
really don't get it till you gotit.
You know, you don't comprehendhow beautiful and amazing.
How can we convince men, I mean, how do we communicate this to
men that being a dad is awesome?

Speaker 5 (51:51):
I don't know what right.
And then and then, whatfrequently happens to us too,
you know, and was somewhat thecase in in my life, is then,
even though you have thechildren, sometimes your career
occupies the vast majority ofyour time and your thought and
you still miss out on all thosemoments.
And so that's tough.
And so, you know, I try topoint that out to the men that I

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get to talk to is, you know,you know, enjoy every single
moment, because it's going to gofast.
You may think it's not whatyou're looking for right now,
but trust me, if you, when youlook back on it, you're going to
wish you had more of it.
Um, and so, yeah, that's, it'samazing.
And one other thing that I'dlike to say about you know,
cause I talked about fathers andsons, but also, you know,
fathers and daughters right.

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So because there's there's,there's a time maybe when it
happens in a family where yourdaughter might not be married
and she might end up pregnantand you know it causes a lot of
angst and friction inside thehouse.
But then I just remind you tolook back to King David.
He never for a second did hethink that the baby shouldn't

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come into the world, right?
And so because we get a lot ofthat sort of stuff like my mom
has threatened to kick me out,my dad has threatened to kick me
out, they want me to get theabortion that's the wrong time
to do that absolutely not youknow, and so if that happens,
forgiveness.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
God forgave us yes, and don't let the enemy use
shame as a tool.
Shame keeps you from speakingup.
Shame keeps you from you knowyou want to hush this pregnancy,
so you go and get an abortion.
Shame keeps you from a lot ofthings, and, and god's word
promises that if you confessyour sins to one another, that
he will heal you there's a.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
There's a line from a hip-hop song I haven't heard in
the longest time.
I probably can't even find itnow if I looked for it, but it
talks about that situation.
The verse talks about a girl.
A student got pregnant.
Now she has to tell her parentsand then, speaking to the
parents, the rapper says nowyour worldview is sitting in
your living room.
Wow.
What are you going to doExactly?

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What are you going to doExactly, wendy, you had some
numbers you wanted to share withus.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I wanted to, but before I just want to say one
thing.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, to share with us.
I wanted to, but before I Ijust want to say one thing, yeah
, and, and I want to make sureto leave time for one thing as
well.
So we're kind of like planninglive on the radio here.
Uh, brian, I want to make sureto end with, if there's men
listening, that their hearts arestirred up.
Man, I want to make adifference, I want to do
something.
You know there's things we cando in our own lives, but how can
they help at eve's hope?
So I want to end with that.
Uh, wendy, you had somethingyou want to ask or tell brian,
and you also had some numbers.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Well, I want to share our numbers from last year so
that everybody can praise godalong with us but I did want to
say we talk about a lot ofproblems and and heart issues
here on this, whenever we comeon god's way radio, and I just
want to remind our hearts andour minds that the solution is
always first jesus, and once youhave him in your, in your heart

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and the holy spirit dwellsinside of you, then focus on the
word, because the word is it'swhat's going to take out all
that confusion, because I likeyou guys, amen yeah so, uh, but
I did want to share some numbers.
We uh from 2024 eve's hope.
We saw a total of 839 patients.
Thank you, lord, 215 babieswere rescued.

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Oh, can you say that?
One, one more time 215 babieswere rescued from abortion.
But, more importantly, becausewe love babies being born, 153
of those patients prayed toreceive Christ into their hearts
.
Praise the Lord.
And so that's the harvest of2024, and we praise God for that
.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
We pray for even more this year.
Lord, yes, yes, Do more.
Oh man, awesome.
So, Brian, we have a good fiveminutes, so you have to talk
really fast.
No, no, I'm just kidding.
So, whether you know, split itup however you want, what we can
do in our own lives in our ownlives, in our families.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
What do we do next?
And how can guys get involvedwith eve's hope?
Well, I think certainly for forour families and in our circles
, we just we can't be afraid toto talk about this issue.
Uh, you know, because it's,it's invaded our society kind of
under our radar, because wedidn't think it applied to us
necessarily.
We thought it was somebodyelse's problem.
Like you say, the worldview isnow sitting in your living room
and and you know, we have.
I think that was one of theproblems that I had when I was
in the military right.

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I just thought, oh, I'm aChristian, everybody thinks like
me, or close enough, I don'treally have to say much, but
you're going to be givenopportunities to speak about
your faith to people that yourun into and then you cannot be
afraid to do it.
I kind of like in that in myown life now.

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I think, oh, if I don't saysomething, am I ashamed of the
gospel?
That's how I look at it.
It's like, because I know whatthe Bible says about this, and
if I'm not sharing that withsomeone, do I not love them?
Am I ashamed of Jesus?
This?
And if I'm not sharing thatwith someone?
Do I not love them?
Am I ashamed of jesus, becausethey're all his words in the end
anyway?
And so I would just say speak up, use your voice.
We have a voice.
We need to use it.
If people are, you know, don'tlike what we have to say, or you

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don't think that you're a goodspeaker, just you know, moses
didn't think he was a goodspeaker, and look what god did
with him.
So it you know god, god willuse you, and so that's the
biggest thing Speak up in thecircle in which you move.
You don't really have to gobeyond that per se, you know,
and pray about this issue tooPray, pray.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
You can go on our website, eveshopeinfo, and
there's a way to communicatewith us if you're interested in
volunteering and we candefinitely speak to you.
And the other thing the enemyuses, too, is if you've had
something with abortion.
Either you paid for an abortion, or your girlfriend or your
wife because of you had anabortion.

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There's undealt with sin inyour life and it's keeping you
silent because it kept me silent.
I thought that the abortiondisqualified me from ever
speaking up, and if my20-something-year-old would know
that God was going to put me asexecutive director of a
pregnancy center, I would havefallen on the floor laughing
because I thought how I causedthis, how could I speak up about

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it?
So I know, brian, and I thinkabout that guy at that
conference in that campfire whospoke up about his abortion
story for the first time.
How old was he?

Speaker 5 (58:06):
Yeah, he was already in his 50s and it happened when
he was in college.
Wow.
And right after it happened, hewrote a poem about his unborn
child that he never shared withanybody, and then he recited it
from memory at that bonfire.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
It just shows you how heavy it was it really impacted
him.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
So speak up, man, and then get on your computer, go
to eveshopeinfo yes,eveshopeinfo and go through the
links there to show yourinterest in volunteering and
connecting with them.
And Brian, I mean, mean, youknow again, no, you're not
committing or promising toanything, but what are the kinds

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of things that guys maybe coulddo at eve's hope, depending on
their availability, their yeah,I mean, basically what I end up
doing most of the time is uhspeaking with the men who come
in.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
So I mean, you mean you, you, uh, you just sit down
one-on-one and while the womanis having her appointment up
into the ultrasound, you justtalk about pregnancy and life
and share the gospel.
Ultimately, that's what we dotoo, and and and try to, you
know, help them, help the man tosee his situation differently,

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you know, so that he, he, thathe comes out edified from the
experience, and so that's onething.
I also drive the mobile unit,the RV, once a week.
I'm usually out there doingthat.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
And that's so important because our
sonographer and care coordinatorare both women and you being
there, you provide that securityaspect of it too.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
Yeah, and that's one of the things.
Especially some of thelocations we go to they're
underprivileged communitieswhich sometimes they're not so
nice areas, aka roughneighborhoods.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Right, that's right.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
And so I'm there for that.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Guys, so many opportunities, but you gotta
reach out, you gotta take a stepforward.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
If God is stirring your heart, reach out.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Amen, like you said, the hour flies by.
Thank you both so much forbeing here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
No, thank you for having us.
We really enjoyed our time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Family.
If there's anything left thatyou needed to ask or wanted to
say or anything, you can reachout to us here at God's Way
Radio.
Remember that website that youcan give out to somebody who's
in a crisis or a need Miamipregnancyoptionsmiamiorg.
And if crisis or a need, miamipregnancy options, miamiorg, and
if you're ready to take a stepto volunteer, it is easehopeinfo
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
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