From Trials to Triumph: Richard and Angeline's Testimony

Richard and Angeline's incredible journeys of faith, resilience, and divine intervention take center stage in this heartfelt episode of Friends and Family on God's Way Radio. Join us as Richard recounts his Cuban roots and the story of his birth in Miami. Meanwhile, Angeline shares the poignant tale of her challenging upbringing in the Philippines and her mother's unyielding determination to secure a better future for their family in the United States. Angeline's story of enduring and overcoming personal trauma through faith and the loving community at Calvary Chapel Miami is both powerful and inspiring.

Together, we explore the importance of godly counsel and open communication, drawing from personal experiences and mission trips where sharing stories fostered deep connections and healing. Richard and Angeline's testimonies highlight the transformative power of trusting God's plan as their paths crossed in the most unexpected ways, including a challenging financial accounting class and their spiritual awakening through persistent church invitations. Their relationship, rooted in faith, underscores the beauty of divine timing and God’s intricately woven plans.

We also delve into their commitment to service, from traversing the long drive to Calvary Chapel Miami to their faithful dedication to the kids' ministry. Hear the family's profound experiences navigating life transitions, tackling financial challenges with integrity, and the joys and trials of parenting guided by faith.

Episode Transcript

Announcer (00:02):
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Joey (00:27):
There's folks that have been behind the scenes, you know
, and they listen, theyparticipate, and we love when we
have the opportunity to bringthem and chat with them and
share their story with you guys.
So, richard Angeline, thank youfor coming today.
My pleasure.

Angeline (00:43):
Thank you for having us.

Joey (00:44):
Yeah, you guys, so richard angeline, thank you for coming
today.
My pleasure, thank you forhaving us.
Yeah, um man, so much that wewant to talk about and we're
just going to start at thebeginning.
Um, richard, you were born, yousaid, in mercy hospital and
your parents were they born incuba yeah, yeah, they were both
born there, moved before I wasborn to Miami.

Richard (01:03):
They left Cuba during the revolution and yeah, and
then I came out.
Actually, my mom confided thatI was a result of a marriage
retreat where they felt guiltInteresting.

Joey (01:22):
Yeah, I'm eight years younger than my brother got the
closest gotcha, all right,awesome, awesome, uh.

Richard (01:32):
Just one brother, just you, and one brother and one
older sister and one sisterawesome and mrs angeline, you
were born.

Joey (01:38):
You know it's kind of nearby mercy hospital or uh, not
quite um.

Angeline (01:44):
I was born from the Philippines.

Joey (01:47):
Could you say something in your native language, say hello
or greeting or something?

Angeline (01:52):
Kamusta na.
That's all.
What's that?

Joey (01:55):
How are you?
Awesome, thank you.
And what language is that?

Richard (01:58):
Tagalog Tagalog Awesome Magundang umaga.
Good morning Anyway.

Joey (02:03):
You've taught the men well .

Angeline (02:07):
Just a few so I can still talk to my mom about them
in my dialect.

Joey (02:10):
That's awesome.
Um and um.

Angeline (02:11):
Tell us a little bit about growing up in philippines
so, um, I was born there and, um, I left the country in my early
teens.
My parents got married reallyearly 18 and 19 years of age and
they had myself, my twobrothers and my younger sister

(02:35):
within the first year, the firstfive years of their marriage.
So there was a lot of growingup to do maturity that they had
to do, and also there was just alot of growing up to do
maturity that they had to do.
And also there was just a lotof conflict, financial problems,
a lot of infidelity, alcoholism, all of that.

(02:55):
And so my mom, over time,realized that she needed to do
something to improve hersituation.
So she decided to leave thecountry, to go to the US and
save money and to petition useventually.
So, with four kids under the ageof five, my dad realized he

(03:21):
could not handle all of us byhimself and still work.
Dad realized he could nothandle all of us by himself and
still work, yeah.
So he called out to the familymembers to help out and, with my
mom gone and we couldn't afforda nanny, his brother and his
girlfriend or wife then moved into help us, but unfortunately

(03:43):
that started the sexual traumafor me, around four years of age
yeah, um, thank you for beingtransparent and and I know that
the reason or part of the reasonthat you're willing and able to
share is the lord's done anamazing work um and and uh, you

(04:03):
know, that's the really what wewant to hear about when it comes
to that um.

Joey (04:07):
So, so what else can you share with us about how the lord
has um healed you, I think, Imean, from four years old.

Angeline (04:15):
That's, that's incredible, that's tough no,
it's, it's totally a god thing,because I mean thinking back now
, um, all along, from the time Iwas that young.
It continued for many years.
Unfortunately, my dad would getinto arguments a lot, so we

(04:36):
ended up being separated.
I got separated from my twobrothers.
My sister and I were separated,so we went with my dad and we
would live from family to familyand what would happen is he
would leave us and then we won'tsee him, and so with each new
family we would lived in that itwould start all over again.

(04:59):
We I would get sexually abused,and but all along I don't know
how, and I just know it's thelord thinking back now, the lord
protecting my mind and my body,because, um years later, when
we finally, uh, came to thestates and and things you know,
got better, your momaccomplished the goal.

Joey (05:19):
She was able to she sure did.

Angeline (05:22):
The lord is faithful.
Um, we were able to be youreunited.
She sure did, the Lord isfaithful.
We were able to be reunitedhere in the States.
Years later I was able to havea normal life.
God did a miracle of healing mymind, my spirit, through being

(05:43):
invited to church.
Wow, I didn't realize it then.
I was carrying like a burden,you know confusion, shame, anger
, bitterness, all of it.
But after stepping into church,calvary Chapel, miami, our
first time, the Lord just spoketo me, not immediately, but I

(06:03):
knew that's what I was lookingfor.
And he did a miracle work ofjust slowly but surely healing
me.

Joey (06:11):
And when you say he protected you, that was in your
teenage years, when you left thePhilippines and then you came
to Calvary Chapel, miami, manyyears later.
So was it?
Am I understanding that it'skind of like, the whole time,
even though you didn't know it,the lord what kind of like
protected you and healed you andand he showed you later.
Or could you elaborate like alittle bit more from before?

(06:33):
You knew the lord that time,your, your adult years, your 20s
, I guess right?

Angeline (06:36):
yeah.
So when I say protected me, umlike well, protected me in a
sense.
Considering all the differentencounters with different people
, I could have easily gottendisease and then probably I
shouldn't have been able to havechildren.
And after you know beingmarried, seven years later we

(07:00):
were blessed with our first son,daniel, and 22 months later,
david.
So in that sense, the Lordprotected me and I'm enjoying
marriage, like I've heard ofwomen that have gone through
similar trauma, how thataffected them mentally,
emotionally, and they can'treally form a healthy

(07:21):
relationship.
And, by God's grace, I'm verymuch in love with my hubby still
and we're still.
You know we get romantic, so Ienjoy being with him.
And and again, the lord blessedme with two children.
That's awesome.
Sorry, oh my gosh, I forgot.
No, no, no, listen listen.

Joey (07:40):
You know, when I'm, when I'm live on the radio, I'm
always second guessingeverything.
What do I say?
What do I not say?
How old are the kids listening?
You know, and I'm, you knowthis is way out of left field,
but you know there was a murder,suicide in our community
recently and I was live on theradio the same day and I was
like, do I use that word?
What do I say?
Do I say someone died, but it?

(08:05):
But?
It's just, you have to navigateand and you two serving now
we're jumping way ahead, servingin children's ministry for 15
years.
And how do you?
You know the lord does it.
You know the kids, they'regonna, they're going to
understand as the lord gives itto them and and as you say it in
sincerity, and and, and I waseven uh listening to to an adult
talk recently and how sometimeswe try to shelter our kids.

(08:26):
But so many of these thingslike intimacy, marriage, having
children, it's holy in its place.
You know it's holy.
And so, yeah, praise the lordthat there's families listening.
So, um, you know, richard, when, when you uh began to to, to
get to know uh, angeline and andand and love her and like her
and want to be with her and allthat I mean.

(08:48):
When did this come up?
Her past and everything?
Did you know when you gotmarried?

Richard (08:57):
How did your perspective?
One reason we knew, or I knewthat she was the one you know we
would talk about anything andeverything, and that was one of
the things we talked aboutbefore we ever got married.
And I remember being verybitter, you know, against her
uncles, and especially knowingthat one was still alive and

(09:19):
still in the United States.
I was not looking forward tomeeting him and, but yes, I did
know about that and I justlooking forward to meeting him,
um, and, but yes, I didn't knowabout that.
And and I just let her tell herstory and um, and yeah, um, I
know that that is what's madeher who she is, um, so, yeah, we
, we avoid, you know, trials.

(09:42):
We, we, we hate them, we don'twant them to happen, but really
they make us who we are.
And I know you know sheappreciates, you know what we
have and I appreciate herbecause you know, partly because
of what she's been through, andI know yeah, and again, you
know, in all seriousness, if Icontinue to ask, it's just Lord,

(10:05):
you know who's listening.

Joey (10:06):
How is this going to bless them?
But obviously only what you'recomfortable with, you know.
You know for some people theyget saved and it's just totally
healed, done.
There's not even a second ofwhatever issue comes back again.
Is this area or this pastsomething that ever came up in
marriage again, or even as ahusband that you had to say whoa

(10:28):
?
You know, I have to approachthis different.
I have to be sensitive tosomething and anything come to
mind, or or for you, angeline.

Richard (10:35):
For me.
Yeah, obviously you know treadlightly in that in that area,
knowing you know what she'd beenthrough.
But actually Angeline's got anamazing how the lord worked
something out way later and youshould probably share, like your
talk with your uncle, yeah wowyeah, so once you were able to

(10:56):
speak to him again.

Angeline (10:57):
Oh, the the lord is incredible.
So, uh, just first off, thelast five years we've been had
the, we've had the privilege ofbeing able to go on missions
trip, and the first threemissions trip the Lord used my
personal testimony the trauma ofsexual abuse.
To speak to the young girls.

Joey (11:20):
Because you met other girls in the same situation.
Exactly, yeah.

Angeline (11:23):
So the Lord used that and I knew after we got saved
that God though that was not hisheart he wanted to use that as
a testimony someday for hisglory.
So, I knew that, even thoughthat was ugly, he was going to
use it for something good.
And I saw that happen in mymission strip.

(11:45):
Even here in the church I'vebeen able to share with the
ladies.
But I remember when we had themission strip going to Alaska,
we were praying, we wanted to gobut the Lord just was not
allowing that to happen.
So we okay.
So we figured, all right, allright, the lord, this is not our

(12:06):
time.
And we stayed the the.
The time that the, the day thatthe missionaries left for
alaska, was the day I got a callthat my uncle, my first abuser,
uh, had cancer and um, and youknow I was sad for him but at
the same time, you know I'veforgiven him.
I've.
You know I've left sad for himbut at the same time, you know
I've forgiven him.
You know I've left this at theLord's feet to just take care of

(12:29):
him and his doing.
And I'm good with that, youknow.
But I sensed the Lord tellingme you need to call him and I
resisted.

Joey (12:42):
I said Lord Excuse me.

Angeline (12:43):
I said Lord, wait, wait.
I haven't seen this guy foryears.
How do I open a conversation?
Wow, you know, and I rememberreaching out to Mrs Sell, Ms
Sori, a few other ladies andasking for wisdom, asking for
prayers.

Richard (12:58):
Wow.

Angeline (12:59):
And, yeah, they prayed for me, but the Lord would not
let me be still, I could not doany work.
My mind was just like the Lordwas saying call him.
So I finally obeyed, I did, andthe minute I picked up, you
know, when he picked up thephone and he recognized me, he
started to cry.
And I didn't expect that,actually, because I didn't even

(13:22):
know how to talk to him, I justyou know.
But he started to cry and hesaid oh, angeline, you don't
know how long I've been wantingto hear from you.
I wanted to talk to you.
I want to ask you for yourforgiveness for all the wrong
things I've done.
I mean, he confessed, he wascrying and I didn't know what to

(13:42):
do with that.
I didn't know how to deal withit.
Like, emotionally, do I cry, doI so?
Then at that moment I said Well, you know why I'm calling is
because Jesus loves you and he'sforgiven me much of my sin, and
I want you to know he willforgive you of your sins when

(14:03):
you confess.
You ask for forgiveness and Ido forgive you.
I told him and I shared thegospel with him and he actually
prayed with me and a week laterhe passed away, prayed with me
and a week later he passed away.
And and then the funny thing is, his wife later had had called
me and she wanted to know whatwe talked about, and I said,

(14:25):
well, um, I just told her, lordyeah, exactly, I told her about
the gospel, how I shared that.
So I got to share that with herand I also got to pray with oh
my goodness so I knew.
That's why the Lord didn't wantus to go to Alaska that's crazy
.

Joey (14:41):
Did you ever get to?

Richard (14:42):
speak to him.
Finally, I did.
I did not much, um, but yeah,we, we spoke briefly, wow man
that well, we're done it'samazing you know, and the God
gets all the credit, we knowthat.

Joey (14:56):
But, man, you know, you mentioned something else in your
story and this is kind of ahobby topic of mine, that's a
weird way to say it, anyways isthis idea.
You know, I've encounteredpeople that they say, oh, I'm
private, I'm private, you know,oh, I'm a private person and I
always that kind of like putsoff a yellow light in my head.

(15:16):
You know what do you mean bythat.
You know you need, you need thelord, you need accountability,
you need people.
Here's the point.
You know you said, oh and and Idon't mean to to make fun, but
just to make the point, you know, oh well, you know, I called
two ladies about my uncle thatsexually abused me, about when I
was going to call him what,what?
Okay, you know how.
How in the world did you feelcomfortable talking with them?

(15:37):
I mean, why did you call them?
Couldn't you figure this out onyour own?
I mean you, richard.
I mean, why get people involved?
What's with that?

Richard (15:44):
I mean personally.
I think talking about it helpsme to process, it helps us to
process.

Announcer (15:51):
Just in general.

Richard (15:52):
Just in general, but especially when talking to
brothers.
You know someone, a brother inChrist, because we're growing
together and we're discoveringGod's plan and sometimes we
don't even realize what His planis until we're telling it.
You know to someone else, and Iremember clearly in one of the
mission strips that we went tothat we were separated.

(16:14):
Angelina and I was with anothergroup of kids and we were
praying with the kids and one ofthe girls shared her story with
me, which was exactlyangelina's wow, um, and so I
knew that I was a child, she wasa child, she was about 12 um
and I stopped her and I let, letme get my wife, you two need to
talk and they spoke and I wastranslating.

(16:37):
Anyway, it was powerful Becauseit was Spanish.
It was in Spanish.

Joey (16:41):
So I'm translating.
That's why you married theCuban For the mission.
I was just kidding.

Announcer (16:48):
That's amazing, I mean he gives us.

Richard (16:52):
I think we shouldn't let even our trials go to waste.
Our pain, God uses that.

Joey (16:59):
But just that idea of calling for prayer and getting
them involved, you know, is thatsomething that somebody taught
you?
Is that something the Lord justdid in your heart?

Angeline (17:07):
Well, you know, in the Bible it says, you know, in the
multitude of counselors thereis wisdom.
So, even though I sensed thatwas the lord telling me to call,
I just wanted wisdom, like howdo I go about it?
And I, and, and you know, Ireached out to godly women that
I know are solid and that I cantrust, you know, to to share my

(17:29):
most intimate information andthey're not gonna, you know,
spread it around, uh and and um,and, and I knew that, yeah,
like Richard was saying, when Italk it out and I explain it to
others, it helps me to realize.
Okay, maybe this is good.

Joey (17:46):
Or maybe this is not so good.
The Lord just uses that man.
Thank you.
You mentioned a couple keypoints, at least that I heard
Godly, there were godly peopleand you trusted them.
You mentioned a couple of keypoints at least that I heard.
You know godly.

Angeline (17:57):
There were godly people and you trusted them, you
know.

Joey (17:57):
So I just pray that the Lord.
You know, I don't know.
I don't know if you guys haveseen that.
To go on a little bit of atangent, I don't know if you've
seen that or you say, no, youknow, I don't think it's such
that you're telling everybodyeverything.
But I mean the Bible verse thatshe quoted, right, the

(18:18):
multitude of counselors.
There's wisdom.
I think we could do better atthat.
I don't know what you guysthink if you've seen one way or
the other.

Richard (18:25):
I agree.
I think God gives us each ourstory for a reason you know.
It becomes our testimony and itblesses others.
And people learn, I thinkespecially with the kids.
So when it's a life story, theattention changes in the room.

(18:46):
Usually you'll notice thosetimes when there's silence you
can hear a pin drop in the room.
You have focused kids, which isnot a usual occurrence.
It's a miracle, but thatusually happens with personal
testimonies and the Lord usesthat Awesome awesome.

Joey (19:02):
Well, getting back to your story, it's been, you know, I
love it.
You know the conversations.
We're thinking we're going togo in order, you know, and God
has us touching on differentthings.
But getting back, you told us alittle bit about you guys
growing up and then you'regetting your degrees and I don't
know where did you meet Schoolor yeah, accounting class.

Angeline (19:26):
Go ahead, Accounting class.

Richard (19:27):
Yeah, I'm sure they're calling on the radio before, but
yeah, we both struggled withthe same financial accounting
class, so it was like a turningpoint.
Yeah, we both struggled withthe same financial accounting
class, so it was like a turningpoint.
You needed to pass this classwith a.
B or better, or you're notallowed to major in accounting,
and so I did not get that B, andneither did my honey the first

(19:51):
time around, but we took itagain and you needed help
studying together.
They only offered it in oneplace she was living in Broward.
I'm living in Dade, so becauseof that we had to both go to
Dade.
I think no, it was in Nova In.
Nova okay, so I had to schlepup to Nova and.

(20:11):
I saw this beautiful Asian girlsitting there and a friend who
actually knew her, and he didn'tintroduce me, and so I had to
insist amen help a brother out.

Joey (20:22):
Yeah, hook a brother up what's wrong with?

Richard (20:24):
you, um, but uh, yeah, we met that way and anyway.
So, yeah, god took beauty fromashes to put a you know, a
biblical spin on that.
Yeah, crash and burn the firsttime, but there was a reason
yeah, so uh, you guys spent sometime in minnesota.

Joey (20:41):
How about how long were you guys?
Uh, you got married first uh,no, actually so you moved and
then got married in minnesota.
Yes, and then how long were youup there?
Like four years, four years.
And then you come back to miaminot quite.
We went to tampa first to tampa, that's right tampa for a
little while, then back to miami, and then somebody's bugging
you about coming to church.
What's up with that?

Richard (21:01):
yeah, my sister, uh.
So we stayed with her and shehad been talking to me about
going to church for a long time,um, and we spent the night, um,
while we're living in miami.
And we woke up on sundaymorning and she says, all right,
let's go to go to church toCalvary Chapel, miami, and all
we had was shorts.
So she says I can't go.
I mean I'm dressed like a bum.
And she said, don't worry,we'll all go in shorts,

(21:23):
everybody.
No, I'm just kidding the family.
They all went in shorts for oursake.
Oh man, that's amazing, and sowe went and actually it was from
that very first time that it'sjust what I was hearing.
I was believing, I knew it wastrue and, yeah, I was convicted.
And when the invitation wasgiven whoever wants to receive

(21:47):
the Lord stand up.
And I stood up and I lookedover and, thankfully, angeline
was standing up too.

Joey (21:53):
That's incredible.
First time, first day, did youhave any background with church
or god?

Richard (22:01):
or anything.
I had been raised catholic.
I'd gone to, you know,catechism sunday school while my
parents were together.
But when my dad startedtraveling a lot, um, I, I
stopped going.
You know, when I didn't have to, I didn't go um.
And then when my parents brokeup, even less um.
So it wasn't until many yearslater that I started getting

(22:25):
curious again.
Like you know, there'ssomething as an adult, as an
adult, as an adult I was, and Iwould be talking to my sister
who was um.

Joey (22:33):
She had been saved many years before me she had been
praying for me for a long time.
That praying witness, there itis, yeah, and I bet she was
praying for Angeline once youguys got married, praying for
the both of you, yep.
Wow, wow, that's amazing.
I mean, angeline, what was yourexperience?
You stood up.
I mean, well, can I justbacktrack?

Angeline (22:56):
on some of the stories .
So just real quick, a real neatstory.
So Richard and I were bothaccounting majors.

Announcer (23:01):
Okay.

Angeline (23:02):
And I think you already said it, but I was
living in Broward, he was livingin Dade.
So even though we were togetheron the same course, we were
parallel, so we would never havemet.
Gotcha peril, so we would neverhave met gotcha, and and it
wasn't, it wasn't until that um,um, uh, faithful day that we
have to retake that we met.

(23:22):
So I was just reminded how it'sso important for us to trust
the lord.
Yeah, because he has thatspecific person for us, if he
wants us to get married, so wedon't have to do.
I've heard this teaching byother pastors you don't have to
do anything, let the lord do it.
You be faithful as a singleperson and then he'll bring you
the spouse and and I justremember I had given up being in

(23:45):
any relationship because Irealized I had to focus on my
school.
I wanted to make sure Ifinished this degree you weren't
even thinking about I was not.
I mean prior to getting seriousI was, but then I realized I
can't do that I just have tofocus, and that's when the lord
brought him to me.

Joey (24:02):
So anyway, just uh, yeah an encouragement to the singles
out there listening yes, love it.

Angeline (24:07):
Yes, don't rush until it's it's time, the lord knows.
Um, so back, uh, so movingforward.
So that day fast forward.
Yeah, I remember I resistedwanting to go because my
experience was when I wasyounger, looking at the cross.
Jesus was on the cross.
I remember looking at it andreally being afraid and

(24:30):
terrified by the sight was itmore.

Joey (24:33):
It was like very Catholic in the Philippines.

Angeline (24:35):
I was in a oh yeah, the the majority of the people,
if not all, are roman catholicsgotcha so, um, I just remember
looking at the image and I and Iasked my mom, hey, who is that
guy?
What she knew.
I mean she told me that's jesuschrist.
I'm like, okay, who is he what?
But I had all these questionsthat she couldn't answer and

(24:57):
then so with more questions cameup.
I just got more confused andthen, without being answered, I
just kind of assumed, okay, well, this is just, you know, it
doesn't really mean anything.
So I grew up thinking, well,it's just, it's nothing.
And so when I was old enoughnot to attend church, I stopped.
And so that day when we wereinvited, I just remember hearing

(25:22):
a teaching and the Lord justlike got to my heart right away
and I couldn't believe it.
Like this is what I wanted tohear, like I didn't want to hear
it, but yet I needed it, yourealized it.

Joey (25:34):
You didn't realize it until it happened, or until you
heard it, oh yeah.
Yeah, man, that's amazing.
I mean, tell us more about justthose early days.
I mean, I'm guessing you cameback.
You continued to come,continued to come.

Richard (25:49):
I love this one story.

Joey (25:50):
Yes.

Richard (25:50):
Where early days in Calvary Chapel.
We live in Miami Shores andCalvary Chapel at the time was
on 67th Avenue and Bird, so it'skind of a hike, it's like what
do they call it?

Joey (26:03):
Ludlum is the area Ludlum or near Westchester, kind of a
long drive, a little bit.

Richard (26:08):
Yeah, and being the accountant and the cost saver,
after we had been attending fora while, I noticed that there
was a Calvary Chapel near us,several blocks, and you noticed
the gas bill and the gas billkept getting higher and the wear
and tear on the vehicle and thetolls, and the tolls.
Yep, yep.
So I logically suggested thatwe maybe go there, because it's

(26:32):
about the Lord, it's not theplace.
And we got a little resistance.
I got a little resistance inthe family and the both boys
were in the car listening to us,you know talk wait, wait, okay,
so pause.

Joey (26:45):
So so you guys got no, no, no, that's okay, but but to to,
to, to get where we're at inthe timeline here.
You guys got met.
You guys came first, came tocalvary chapel, uh, married, no
kids, correct?
So how old are the boys nowwhen, when you're when this
story happens.

Richard (26:59):
Daniel's about.
He just started sitting withthe adult service, so he just
graduated kids ministry, so he'ssixth grade, so you were coming
10 years at this point.
Yeah okay, see, that's a,that's interesting, that is wow.

Joey (27:13):
I just realized yeah, yeah , we had been 10 11 years, so it
wasn't like a few months andthen you were looking for your
church.
This was your home church for awhile.
Yeah sorry, I fast forwarded alot no, no, no, no, but, but
it's interesting.
I it's interesting and I don'tknow what to make of it yet
because you know we're we'retalking.
This is all all new to me thetime frame.

(27:34):
It's interesting that you can bein a church for so long and
still have those questions orstill have these considerations
yeah, sure, and, and, and it'sokay, okay, and, and there's
folks listening that maybe maybethis is important for them.

Richard (27:49):
So so you're 10, 11 years in your church and you're
thinking maybe I need to changemy church yeah, so you're going
through this again and for thosereasons and and I'll never
forget, um, because that day itwas on, it was on a sunday
morning and daniel sat next tome in the front row um, we're
sitting in.
The church was really full atthis point and the front row is

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very close to the state littlechurch, yeah, in a splash zone.
Yeah, yeah, but we're sittingthere and Pastor Raz starts
teaching on the people.
You know, after the kingdom wasdivided, that Rehoboam and
Jeroboam and then Jeroboam.
In order for the flock orIsrael, not to travel to

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Jerusalem, he set up templescloser to them and, out of
convenience, they ended up goingastray and they ended up
becoming into idolatry andDaniel.
He nudges me and he says hey,dad, that's what we were just
talking about.
And I'm yeah, I guess we'restaying in Calvary Chapel, miami
.
So Angeline had called Raz todo the teaching.

(28:54):
No, she didn't what we werejust talking about.
And um, yeah, I guess we'restaying in calvary chapel, miami
.

Joey (28:56):
So angeline had called raz to to do the teaching.
No, she didn't I'm just kidding, I've that joke is to make the
point that it was the lord hespoke clearly, loud and clearly,
and and I've heard you sharethat story before as well were
you sitting right there in thefront row as well?

Angeline (29:15):
I don't think so, because we were already serving
in kids ministry.

Joey (29:19):
Gotcha.

Angeline (29:20):
But I just remember we were having that conversation,
that resistance he was talkingabout.
I was telling him you know, howcan we make an abrupt decision
to just change church?
If we're committed to servingyou know, we at least need to
fulfill our commitment and um.
But also, you know, I I wasjust remembering how the

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israelites traveled in thewilderness for 40 years and
their clothing were not worn out, their shoes were not worn out.
So the lord provided.
And so I said, yeah, we'remaking those long, but God will
take care of our tires, god willtake care of our finances, so
we can afford to take care ofthings.
But at the end of the day, Iknow, as a wife, I have to

(30:06):
submit.
So, yeah, if he decides we wereto move, I'm going to submit.

Richard (30:11):
Ultimately, yeah, a lot of pressure.
Yeah, so thankfully, going tosubmit ultimately.
Yeah, a lot of pressure, yeah,so thankfully that didn't happen
.
The Lord kept us here.
He spoke loud and clear andeven our son heard it, you know.
So cool yeah.

Joey (30:31):
Do you?
I mean, it's kind of a sillyquestion, but do you see the why
?
Now you know?
Because you could still say,well, you know it would have
been fine either way.
Is there any?
Can you elaborate on that?
It's kind of a silly question,like because of everything

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that's happened, I don't know,but anything come to your heart,
like man, like how important itwas to stay or how meaningful
or what would have beendifferent, I don't know.
Anything come to mind.

Richard (31:00):
Definitely.
Especially, today happens tomark the first day that I'm I
don't want to use the wordretired, but I'm going to use it
anyway.
But basically, as of today, I'mno longer overseeing or
teaching in kids ministry.
Now I'm just leading worshipwith the kids.

(31:20):
So we've just transitioned andmany people have come up just to
thank me for my faithfulness orour faithfulness in the
ministry and I realize I can'ttake credit for it because I was
a dummy that wanted to go toanother church, so I can't even
take credit for it, because youwere going to leave.
I was a dummy that wanted to goto another chair, so I can't
even take credit for that.

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I was just enjoying the ride somuch.

Joey (31:48):
Most people say you know, at least I showed up, you
weren't even going to show up.

Richard (31:51):
I wasn't going to stop showing up if God hadn't spoken,
that's hilarious yeah yeah.
And still they had meoverseeing kids' ministry for so
long, so that's another miraclein itself.

Joey (32:03):
Well, okay, interesting point.
Did any of the leadership orthe pastors know you were making
this consideration or did youtell them after?

Richard (32:11):
No, no, we're only in the discussion.
Gotcha Again, just a long drysad time.

Joey (32:17):
So years later, people heard the story.
We almost left what.

Richard (32:20):
Yeah, wow, wow.

Joey (32:22):
Yeah, and again, the credit goes to the Lord.
The credit goes to the Lord,you know.
This is why I wish I hadsomebody else, so we could just
talk about you as if you weren'there, about your faithfulness,
about your and your family Imean your sons for so many years
served alongside you guys.
And again, to really drive thepoint home, let's talk about

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kids ministry.
For a while, you guys had anincredible tenure there, 15 plus
years.

Richard (32:49):
Yeah, that's so overseeing.

Angeline (32:51):
Overseeing about 15, but we've been serving before 20
plus years, so about 20 yearsat least.
Wow.

Joey (33:00):
And you know.
Do you remember when you wereasked to oversee and lead the
ministry?
How?

Richard (33:05):
was that?
Clearly, george Vega.
I even remember my first day asa teacher sitting.
Well, actually I was sitting asa student just observing Swanee
teach kids ministry.
So blessed by that.
And again we even startedbecause thinking ahead and
thinking logically, look, wewant to teach our sons, we want

(33:28):
to raise them up in the church,and so what better way than to
learning by teaching other kids?
Cool, yeah, I forgot where Iwas going.

Joey (33:38):
I mean, that's a really interesting point.
That's a really interestingpoint.
I wonder if there's anyfamilies listening, if there's
any dads, if there's any momsand they're thinking, man, I
don't know how to talk to mykids, I don't know how to
minister to my kids.
Why don't you sign up for bootcamp, you know, in a sense, and

(34:00):
jump in and serve in children'sministry and get the exposure
and the training of teachingkids?
That's a very interesting.
Um, it could be an answer toprayer.
You know, it's like you don'tknow how, just dive, dive in,
teach everybody's kid.
Again, you're gonna gettraining, you're gonna get
guidance.
But you know, um, very, veryinteresting.
Again, just who could belistening, lord?
So?

Richard (34:20):
yeah, oh yeah.
And then george vague, after wehad been serving for a while,
he asked if we'd consideroverseeing um, and I immediately
said okay, uh, and jillianwanted to pray about it a little
longer.

Joey (34:33):
She's more spiritual hey, now it's reversed.
You were, you were the uh, thethe one, uh, the hesitant one.

Angeline (34:38):
Yeah, that's funny yeah, how it's funny how the
lord does pair up peopleperfectly, because you know when
, when I'm like not theencouraging one, richard is, and
then when he needs to beencouraged, I'm more in the
strong part of that.
But awesome.

Joey (34:55):
So what was your hesitation?

Angeline (34:57):
Well, I do.
Actually, I just remembered.
You know, overseeing kidsministry would require like a
full time job per se, like youhave to be there every weekend,
every Wednesday.
And you know, since the boyswere still little, I wanted to

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enjoy a lot of outing, a lot ofthose last minute.
Hey, let's go camping, let's dothis, let's do that, and I knew
that could stop it, or you knowjust affect it for sure.

Joey (35:43):
I knew if the Lord was calling us to serve, and
especially Richard being thehusband and the one to
ultimately make the decision, Ihad to just admit and kind of
fast forward, and then we'll goback again Would you do it again
, absolutely, absolutely, didyou.
And again, I appreciate thehonesty and the Lord will use it
.
It's kind of a two-partquestion Did the outings and all

(36:06):
that you wanted to do with thekids get affected?
And if it did, was it stillworth it and did God kind of
cover it in other ways?
You know what I'm saying,because maybe, no, we got to do
everything we wanted to anyways,or maybe, no, we didn't.
But there was something greater.

Richard (36:21):
You know it's a perfect illustration.
We were talking a little whileago how important it is to talk
about what God is doing.
It just so happens the ministrythat now we're starting, we're
going into, is kind of anadventure-type ministry, which
is exactly that.
So, no, it didn't stop us.

(36:41):
We still had gatherings, westill had kayak trips and stuff.
We just had it with church,family.
We invited people from churchand, no, I am so thankful, so
grateful that we did andincluded them, because it
changed the whole dynamic of it,the whole focus of our time
together now with family.

(37:03):
It wasn't like before.
This was, you know, we'retaking care of the kids.
We're talking about evencurriculum, kids' ministry,
god's creation Isn't thisamazing what he's created?
And look at the oceans and thefish.
And again, god took things thatI love and he molded it.
And actually, even now, thisnew chapter, this new page, it

(37:26):
seems like God went into mybrain and thought okay, if you
could pick the ideal place you'dlike to serve in, what would
that be?
My kids are grown now, he's inthere, he's right in there.
It involves the ocean, itinvolves camping and making
fires and not getting yelled at.

(37:50):
And it looks like that's what'shappening.

Joey (37:52):
People can't see right now , but Angelina has been nodding
the whole time.
Anything you wanted to add?

Angeline (37:58):
no, really really exciting.
In this new chapter, the lordis is opening for us um, so I
can't wait to see what he willdo how how he's going to reveal
it to us I want to come back tothat.

Joey (38:10):
You know we'll rewind and fast forward again, uh, because
I I want to talk about and and Idon't want to forget.
So now you know here, kind oflike live in the moment, I'm
asking you guys to remind me.
I want to come back to this andkind of end with talking about
this transition a little bit,because I wonder if there's
anyone listening that they'regoing to go through it.
You know, or they're going tobe moved or they're going to be

(38:32):
transferred, whether it's inchurch or in work, or there's
going to be something.
It becomes part of youridentity.
They're the kids' ministrycouple and whether you like it
or not, it's just for so long ithappens, it happens.
So I want to come back to that.
But there's a story that Iwanted to, mrs Ang angeline,

(38:57):
have you share about with withdavid.
You know the lord, uh, you knowkind of mother's intuition, the
lord intervening that wasamazing.

Angeline (39:05):
Oh yes, so uh, when I was pregnant with david um I I
remember, since I was threemonths pregnant with him, he was
constantly moving in my bellyuh now david's, your second, my
second, son yes who is now 20,soon to be 21, but I just

(39:25):
remembered waking up one day.
One morning I was already fullterm 40, uh 40 plus weeks yeah,
and Well, you said you were acouple days over actually, yeah,
yeah.
Exactly.
So I just remember waking upand he wasn't moving and I
thought that was really strangeand so I called the doctor and

(39:48):
the nurse said oh, just eat.
And so I ate nothing.
Okay, why don't you take ashower or take a bath?
And you know, maybe thetemperature, whatever, maybe
some movement, but not a wholelot.
So I finally went to be seenjust to make sure the baby's
okay, and I remember the nursegiving me a hard time afterwards

(40:10):
because the baby's fine, theheartbeat, everything, there's
no stress.
And so she said you know youguys are just going to end up
going home, you know you'rewasting your time.
And I said you know you guysare just going to end up going
home, you know you're wastingyour time.
And I said well, I just want tomake sure the doctor sees me.
And so when the doctor cameagain, the baby was still fine.

Joey (40:28):
But he asked me On the numbers at least.

Announcer (40:30):
On the numbers yeah, he wasn't distressed and
everything.

Angeline (40:33):
The heartbeat's still good.
But he asked me would I you?
You know, since he's there andI'm there, would I like to go
ahead and be induced?
I said, sure, I.
I think I want this baby outtoday.
I just get this feeling.
He needs to go out and so Iremember um after being induced
and the baby finally came out,um he actually was purple and

(40:56):
the umbilical cord was wrappedaround his neck and he commented
to us that had I waited, he maynot have made it wow, and again
, just on my side, we, if youremember, we had planned
something for that day.

Richard (41:12):
Um, we were going to some auction or something, and
you insisted you know I think Ineed to go.
So we canceled and, yeah, thatnurse was giving her a hard time
, just saying you're wastingBasically she didn't say it like
this but you're wasting ourtime.
You're going to be wasting thedoctor's time, you know, and
they're going to send you home.
You're going to be here forhours and hours.

(41:34):
Wow, david was born.
Born like within three hours ofthat happening, and and yeah,
ready he was, ready he was readyand I saw, I saw his head and
the doctor showed me and he waspurple, and he showed me, as he
unwrapped the umbilical cord,how he just got the pink you
know back in his head you knowit's.

Joey (41:55):
It's so amazing I mean the when you have a good doctor.
You know whether it's um, Idon't know the term is ob.
You know doctors that deliversbabies, or any doctor.
I mean you.
You went through an incrediblewell, your arm or elbow broke or
something, and I think you weretreated very well I said were
you treated well?
fantastic, okay.
So, whether you have a gooddoctor, your bicep, whatever,
and man, how it's like life anddeath, but they're just

(42:17):
professional.
You know the way you describeit is like, hey, watch this.
He already knows what he'sgonna do, he knows what's gonna
happen, he knows what's going on.
What a blessing, what a miracle.
He teaches.
Yeah, yeah, amazing.
So you know.
Just another testimony.
You know I don't know if I hadsaid this during the recording
or before how man is like everyday is a testimony to the lord.
You know, we could just betalking about anything and it's

(42:38):
just like man, the credit goesto the lord.
Guys.
You know I didn't warn youabout this, but it's coming to
my heart and my now and it's alittle bit funny, it's a little
bit kind of like high pressure,but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Raising two boys, kids,ministry for decades, literally.
Man.
Do you have any tips, anybullet points for parents?
I mean what?

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How do we do this?

Richard (43:01):
stay as close to the lord as you possibly can.
Um, that's, that's a secret.
Um, yeah, because, yeah, youdon't know what's going to come
up, but in a body, um, you know,in the body of christ.
I mean the people that attend,the people that you meet, the
family that you make.
They're such a source, they'resuch a treasure.

(43:23):
So, yeah, people that you canstruggle with, you can share
your struggles with, and theyreally love you, they really
pray for you, they really blessyou and are there for you.
I never found it anywhereexcept right here amen.

Angeline (43:41):
Um, I would say use the bible as the manual book in
raising them when you set rules,when they question why you say
god says so, it's right here andyou can actually show them and
you can show them.
You know, I didn't make therules, god.
This is what we have to do andas your parents, we're going to
be held accountable.
And I want the Lord to say I'vedone good in raising you.

(44:04):
You're going to come to an agewhere you're going to have to
make your own decision, butuntil then you need to listen
and obey and I'm really thankful, like Richard was saying, to
have a church family thatsupports you in this endeavor of
raising a godly child, at leastto walk in a godly way.
I mean, at some point they'regoing to be having to make their

(44:27):
own decision.

Joey (44:27):
If you're listening right now, gentlemen.

Angeline (44:30):
But it's so important to engage them in any venue that
the church offers so when theywere young enough, like after
graduating kiddos, they could goto youth.
They were going to youth.
They were going to all thesummer camps.
Whether they wanted to or not,they were going.
And then after that, I'm sothankful that the young adult

(44:54):
became available just in time,did you homeschool?

Joey (44:57):
I did yeah, okay, so okay so yeah, that was another funny
thing.

Angeline (45:01):
Uh, yes, some of the ladies, uh would would
constantly come to me and say,hey, have you prayed about
homeschooling?
And I remember resisting thatwow but uh, over time the lord
did soften my heart and, uh,eventually pulled them out.

Joey (45:16):
Yeah, the Lord did it yeah , you know, another story came
to mind, just another testimony.
Man, I wonder, do we have time?
Let's do it, we're gonna do itquickly, but before that,
because I'm all over the place.
So we, you gave us their bulletpoints.
Now, again, I, I really wouldask you guys to really consider
trying to trying to trying tohave an answer for this, even
though it might be, you know,you might feel bad or something,

(45:37):
um, but it's important.
What are the don'ts?
What are the don'ts?
You guys have seen kids, you'veseen families, seen parents and
I'm sure, all right in yourself, you go, I'm not doing that
again.
I'm sure you've seen something.

Richard (45:50):
You go, I'm not doing that again, or nobody should do
that the don'ts would be don't,don't listen too much, don't let
your kids call the shots.
That's a big don't um, because,as angeline was saying, we, um,
we basically forced ourchildren to come to church and
especially, you know, serving inkids ministry.

(46:12):
They not they stayed for twoservices all the time.
It just wasn't a question.
No, that's what we're doing onSunday and they didn't always
like it, they didn't alwaysenjoy it, but now they've
thanked us for that.
And again, coming to church isgreat, but I don't know, for me

(46:33):
it wasn't enough.
I had to be involved, um, anddoing life, basically putting
feet onto the scriptures, um,you know, doing life together
and and that happens when youserve together, when you, you
know, when you keep contactsoutside, you know of the, just
the church services so that yousee the church family outside

(46:54):
church as well and hang out andyeah, yeah, yeah and another
don't is don't expect to alwaysbe comfortable, you know.
Don't expect for everything toalways be convenient, because
that's part of what serving is.
It's what commitment is that?

Joey (47:09):
that's how we show people we love them.
Thank you, angelina.

Angeline (47:11):
Any don'ts when it comes to raising kids so I'm
gonna confess, as a mom withzeal to raise our children, my
firstborn, unfortunately, he,kind of got the brunt of it.
I was so strict because, youknow, I wanted to follow you
know, and and just not let my,my poor son breathe like no, you

(47:36):
got to do this.
I was super strict and, thankGod, richard was the opposite.
You know, he's more the relaxed, so together we balance each
other.
But just don't be so uptight.
I mean, god has given all of usa certain character, you know,

(47:58):
and the Bible says know the bentof your child.
And so I was just so bent ondoing it one way when really I
needed to just listen to theLord.

Announcer (48:05):
You were trying to bend him the other way.

Angeline (48:06):
Yeah, to try to make him kind of like the way I think
he ought to be.
But God had.
He was built different, youknow he was made different and
so I did better.
With my second one I kind oflearned to relax and I can see
the difference.
But overall, because of mymistake I apologize I came to my

(48:29):
son and I confessed Son, I'm sosorry and that's my
recommendation.
Nobody's perfect.
We try our best and when wemake mistakes, let's be honest
with our children and ask forforgiveness.

Joey (48:48):
I'm so glad you shared that and again, thank you for
being transparent and I want togo on record saying both your
boys are amazing.
So I don't know how bad of amistake it was, but I'll leave
that between you and the Lordand the family.
You know, Richard, this is thestory I was thinking.
I don't know if we have timefor it, but we have to, because
if somebody's listening with acareful ear they might say man,
these people got saved.

(49:09):
They're amazing.
Parents amazing.
Everything's good.
The Lord never let the tireswear out.
It sounds like they'remillionaires.
They've never had financialproblems.
Hires wore out.
It sounds like they'remillionaires.
They've never had financialproblems.
You're not millionaires, butthere's a testimony when it
comes to finances, when it comesto putting it all on the line,
that I know you wanted to share.
So I want to give you anopportunity.

Richard (49:27):
Yeah, Early on in our walk.
I mean, this happened more thanonce, but I was transitioned
out of jobs and so oneparticular time we were, we had
just and that's.

Joey (49:39):
you're not just trying to be polite, it was just a weird
scenario where things wereclosing.
It wasn't anything your fault.

Richard (49:44):
Exactly, I was working for a company that was kind of
voiceover internet protocol.
It was like a newtechnology-ish and it just
didn't work, and so I wasgetting let go.
Okay, but just backing up alittle bit, we had just started
the process of getting a secondmortgage.
We need, we wanted, you know, aline of credit.

(50:05):
And and now, you know, after wehad signed the documents, all
we were just waiting on was forthe close.
I received the news that thecompany was closing down, and so
we struggled, you know, I toldmy wife, my wife, and look,
reading the contract, it doessay that I need to tell them
keep them, or actually we haveto sign saying that nothing's

(50:26):
changed.
And so I don't feel comfortableabout this.
And we talked about logically,it's already a done deal.
What are you doing?
Maybe we should just stay quietabout this?
And I was convicted Because Iwould sing songs to our sons and
we prayed about it.
But one particular song on oneparticular night I was singing

(50:46):
Above All, and the song saidabove all treasures, above all
wealth and treasures of theworld, there's no way to measure
what you're worth.
And I was so convicted withthat that I mean I just had to
stop and say no, honey, I've gotto tell them.
I have to tell the bank.

(51:07):
There was resistance, but I toldthem and even the person I told
got angry with me.
He said so I guess you don'twant this line of credit, are
you kidding?
We need it now more than ever.
And he said well, you're notgoing to get it.
I mean, you didn't have to tellme this.
No, I do, and and we'rechristians, so I want to be
totally honest.
Anyway, um two weeks later,during the close or right before

(51:29):
he called, called us back andhe said I don't know how this
happened, but the bank approvedyou anyway for the, you know,
even though you're gonna haveless income or whatever.
He said I've never seen thishappen.
And I was just praise the lord,that's the lord.
So it turned into a testimony.
But it was a, it waschallenging, it was a stretch

(51:49):
you.

Joey (51:50):
It was probably the boys resisting right now.

Angeline (51:52):
No, no uh yeah, gosh, I'm looking, I'm sounding bad in
this.
No, no, I'm just kidding.

Joey (51:58):
I was gonna say he said what I was thinking.
You take turns in one situationand jaleen's kind of like how's
the more faith?
The other one, richard, no, no.
And this time, if you'rewilling to share, no of course,
Of course.

Angeline (52:09):
No, this time I was the bad one.
I was trying to tell him areyou crazy?
We need the money.
This is the Lord just giving usopportunity to save.
And then I remember him tellingme how can the lord bless us if
we're gonna lie about it?
and I just I couldn't sayanything like, but you were
right, but I wanted to tell him,like, just be quiet.

(52:30):
So, uh, yeah I.
I remember he said let's pray,and I didn't want to pray, I was
so mad, but then the lordproved me wrong later yeah,
richard, again, just getting tothe fine details of it again.

Joey (52:43):
Whatever you're willing to share in that moment, if you
can remember, did you feel thatpressure from her?
Was it hard or did you justhave the lord just gave you a
lot of faith to do it?
Anyway, I had a husband.
I mean, what was?

Richard (52:56):
I.
I did feel pressure right upuntil I was convicted, right up
until like, once that song hitand like it just got me, the
pressure was gone.
It's like no, this good or bad,you know, whatever comes of
this, that's not important.
The important part is thetestimony, it's the story.

Joey (53:14):
Yeah, um so no, right up to that point yeah, I struggled,
it was tough yeah, man, thankyou again, thank you guys for
sharing again these justsnippets, you know, because,
because we're all going to gothrough this, I mean, right,
we're trying to cover your wholelife in an hour, you know an
hour or less, and and these arejust moments that we're all
going to go through, you know,finances, integrity, uh man, the

(53:35):
safety of our kids, um, uh,trauma, I mean just incredible.
So, that being said, we have tostart to land the plane here,
and so I want to talk aboutwhere you guys are at today.
And again, just that idea of amajor life move, a major
transition in church, in life,uh man, I we've seen folks at
least I've seen folks go throughit and and they don't go

(53:57):
through it.
Well, you know, their, theiridentity is too wrapped up in
one thing, or they're holdingtoo tightly, or they haven't
planned, or they haven'tconsidered.

Angeline (54:14):
So how's the Lord been helping you guys?
What's been tough.
What's the Lord done that gaveus the opportunity and privilege
to serve in kids' ministry,have prayed long and hard and
are now also getting a sensefrom the Lord a new direction
that we need to take, and so wetrust that they were praying and

(54:41):
it just so happens, we havebeen talking about a new
direction, so really it was justthe Lord confirming it all.
And just again, like you said,our identity at the end of the
day is not the ministry itself,but it's in Jesus Christ, and if
he's leading us to go this way,that's where we have to go.
Amen.

Richard (54:59):
And I just have to share, yesterday, our devotion.
I was reading in 2 Samuel, Ibelieve, when David had just
heard that Absalom was dead andhe just agreed so bad that it
dishonored his men, the peoplethat had risked their lives to
protect him.
Joab confronted him and saidit's like your app.

Joey (55:23):
your son would have lived and all these, all of us, would
have died and and in thatcontext, in case people don't
know the bible story his son wasa wicked person.
Yeah, I mean, he had killed, hehad done horrible things and
not that you know now we'regetting.
But, but in the context of thejustice, of the situation, he he
basically earned a deathpenalty, he was being pursued,
he needed to be stopped, he wasevil.
And so that's the situation hehe basically earned a death
penalty, he was being pursued,he needed to be stopped, he was

(55:44):
evil, and so that's thesituation.

Richard (55:46):
That that absalom, yeah , yeah, yeah and what david I
think was guilty of there isthat he he was showing too much
grief, um, and that's.
That's something we got towatch out for, something I got
to watch out for, like when wehold on to things too tightly.
Um, I read something, I forgeteven who wrote it, but, um, when
we're overcome in tragedy orsorrow, the problem is not what

(56:09):
we know, it's what we'veforgotten.
Um, and so, to remember, inthose times, god has been so
faithful.
Um, and it's not like he's.
He stopped like, oh, I'm I usethe word retired earlier and I
did not mean that I was joking.
He's turning the page.

Joey (56:30):
Well, some police officers , they'll retire from one police
department and then go toanother one and get two
retirements.

Richard (56:33):
So maybe that's what you're doing.
Oh, there you go.
Well, no, I'm just turning thepage.
Just saying we're children ofGod before anything else, before
any ministry we're associatedwith, and we just got to keep
trusting him like a good child,amen.
Hey, sounds like you learnedsomething in children's ministry
Just this morning.

Joey (56:53):
Guys, I can't thank you enough for coming.
Is there anything, any thoughtthat you know you're kind of
like still stuck in your mindthat you didn't get to share?
Last word of encouragement, Imean again, we could be here
just so much the lord has done.

Richard (57:07):
Yeah, it's so many stories, I'm just so thankful um
I just want to encourage peoplewho are listening to to stay
faithful, stay close to god, um,trust him, um.
And I'm saying that to myselfnow too, because, as much as I
don't want it to be weird, it'sweird, you know, leaving a
ministry.

Angeline (57:25):
You've been serving him for so long, um, but again
it, I can't wait to see whathe's going to do cool, awesome
and I just want to share umproverbs 3, 5 and 6, where it
says trust in the lord with allyour heart and lean not on your
own understanding.
In all your ways, acknowledgeHim and he shall direct your

(57:47):
paths.

Joey (57:48):
Amen.
May the Lord encourage you andstrengthen you.
May the testimony of Richardand Angeline just fill you with
faith for what God has calledyou to and for what God is
allowing you to go through Graceand peace.

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