August 18, 2024 • 48 mins
Welcome to another spine-chilling edition of Fright Talk with your hosts, Billy Jones and Nadim Tabsch. In this episode, we delve into the eerie and unsettling world of horror stories set in schools. From the creepy vibes of empty hallways at night to the unsettling experiences with students, teachers, and even parents, this episode covers it all.
Both Billy and Nadine draw from their extensive backgrounds in education to explore why schools can be such fertile grounds for frightful tales. They discuss the unnerving silence of school buildings after hours, the disconcerting encounters with strangers, and the inexplicable phenomena that make schools a hotspot for horror.
The episode also touches on the real-life challenges and fears educators face, including code red drills, student disappearances, and the creepy behavior of some parents. Plus, hear about their experiences transforming schools into haunted houses for fundraisers, adding an extra layer of spookiness to an already eerie environment.
Join us as we navigate the dark corridors of school-related horror, share personal anecdotes, and discuss why educational institutions make such compelling settings for terrifying tales. Tune in, if you dare!
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Music.
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Hello world, welcome to another exciting edition of Fright Talk.
I'm here with your hosts, Billy Jones and Nadine Tabs, here to bring you another
exciting episode of our phenomenal, gothic, horror, and lovely Frightful show.
Now, our topic today focuses on horror stories in school, and maybe even teachers,
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and Lord knows, probably parents too.
But I'm here with my better half, who is my partner in crime.
Absolutely. I'm going to have him introduce himself, even though he needs no introduction.
My partner, Billy. What's up, NT? And what's up, world? Hey, Fright Talk fam.
It's great to be back. I can't wait to dive into this topic.
You know, Billy, both of us have a background as educators and in education,
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and we've gone through a lot of experiences.
What do you think it is about school that it can have a creepy and scary element
to it. And I'm not talking about the day-to-day.
I'm just talking about the notion of this is a place where it's filled with
noise and sometimes chaos during the day, and it's definitely silent at night.
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I think schools, well, first, if we look at it as an edifice,
it's a building, a place where many people congregate for a certain amount of time, right?
And if you're in a K-12 system, as when we think of schools,
we're thinking of schools truly from a K-12 standpoint, there are spaces that
are very thriving and alive with youthful sounds, clutter, learning.
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And as the day progresses, things begin to be a little different.
And as those little feet or those bigger feet, they journey out of the door,
that building's still there.
And so as a result, what I'm beginning to realize is that our schools are great,
incredible spaces for convening.
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But with social media and all the things that we've seen in history,
not even recently, folks, we can go all the way back to the 70s,
all the things that have happened, unfortunately, in school settings.
That has just sharpened or heightened, I should say, rather,
our awareness of what a learning or school nightmare, a teacher nightmare,
anybody's nightmare could be in this matter.
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And I think that's what, so now schools have become questionable safe spaces. Yes.
Yes. And for the folks listening, you know, today's episode,
we know that when it comes to violence in schools and that sort of thing,
obviously, we in no way, shape or form condone any of that.
As educators, we appreciate the safety of faculty, staff, especially students
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and everybody in the building.
So please don't take today's episode as
looking at all the grim we want to
look instead at the frightful portions of it
and those frightful portions could actually be quite a
bit now billy and i have worked for a long time in
different school systems and we do know that we've had to stay many a times
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really late very late in school we're the last people there locking up the building
or leaving with the person locking up the building and it's such a creepy vibe
right There's something off about it.
It's hard to describe. What are your feelings on that in the days that you were
there and you're the person closing it down?
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It's just something about walking through that empty space at night.
It's a chilling vibe. Schools at night.
I'm going to use a good example.
We're all starting now back to school, even though in higher ed,
the same thing occurs. When I'm in my suite or the faculty suite and in my office,
sometimes I stay late with the intention of not bringing the work home.
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So I'll stay late and great.
I become suddenly aware due to my biological clock and also the faculties of
my biological. And I say biological clock, meaning, you know,
using the restroom or hunger.
I start becoming very aware of the silence around me.
And then I started realizing I'm deep inside this suite and that bathroom is
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not that close. I have to exit the suite.
The lights are off. So I work in a lead building, but all the lights are on,
you know, energy saving and all that. So it's dark.
And so at night, it's like the school. I love it, but the school comes alive in a different way.
Now, when I get in the hallway, I can see life on the other side of the hall
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or the space because there are classes on the other side. But they're away from the faculty suite.
So at night, I feel like it's like the school becomes its own creature.
And yes, there are cleaning services and there are security that are around,
but they're not everywhere.
They're rotating the premises. They're doing their respective work.
So when you have to go, I'm not scared.
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I'm just more acutely aware of my surroundings via the night in silence.
Yes. And I mean, I'm sure we both had the experience of the security guards
in the buildings are probably not, especially when we're in the public school
system more than college,
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but they're probably not, they're not going to help you.
Like they're not the first person you know in
my experience a lot of those school security guards are people that are older
or people that just don't move as quickly or their reflexes aren't as quick
and so thankfully i don't feel like we've ever had to rely on them for anything
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in in school safety but you know we're talking about this issue and as we started i just dawned on me,
Nightmare on Elm Street wasn't Freddie a custodian or a janitor,
in like the basement of the Steve in like an elementary school or something
isn't that where the Freddie story started so it's a good question I'm recalling
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Freddie there was that scene in a school is that the one we're talking about
the first one with Johnny Depp when he had that brief moment yeah it was like the boiler room.
Wasn't that in a school or something it was in an educational setting
we could be wrong and this is correct as a viewer you're very correct
but i think so i thought that the the
storyline with him was that he was some form
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of abuser yeah but he was a custodian in a school something to that effect access
directly to children correct correct yeah and also with you know there's a lot
of movies we see it happens in halloween it happens at hocus pocus that time
of the fall because a lot of States do have fall breaks.
The time of the fall and the kids going out of school for the fall break and
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the leaves are turning color and it just so happens that that's the time for
Halloween and there's always something going on.
It just kind of really paints that element of it. Do you feel that there are enough,
scary story about school? No, there aren't.
In fact, I think what happens is that the school becomes the catalyst or,
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you know, of either a, the issue or it just is where it's born or emanates and
then it moves into another direction.
And I'm wondering, maybe that is because schools were always,
they were these historic safe spaces.
And now as generations have matured and evolved,
involved i think there is no safe space
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and so as a result i think it's now and
this time we're beginning to see i'll tell you where i'm seeing more where schools
are being highlighted more in literature or literature
is taking it on but i'm not seeing it for the visual
aspect at least for my own observation from a film
yeah yeah yeah and.
I you know i remember certain 80s movies where
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they would like focus in the high school and stuff like that even i think
the bucket of vampire slayer movie there was a portion there
where he and so there's a lot of movies that kind of
focus in on that part or use it
like you're like you're saying it's the setting of
it and so that setting in particular there's just
something about it now billy let's move more
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to the individual okay people
that we've worked maybe not that we necessarily work with
but you know how it is in the system you hear a lot of
stories of different people and sometimes it's
not something creepy about them maybe it's
just something really odd do
you without obviously we're not going to divulge
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any names or anything but do you have any
creepy odd stories that maybe you heard it maybe not necessarily experienced
because this is me giving you the out here maybe or maybe a story you've heard
that you'd like to share well i want to share this i appreciate the question
because just today I reported back to work for.
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You know, after being off for the summer, right, as a professor.
And I asked several of my colleagues, I said, hey, NT and I,
for our guys, we're going on air later today to, you know, to talk about,
you know, school nightmares and things that are associated.
And just when you think of that, whatever that may be, or think of their schools
as a scared place or an interesting place, what comes to mind?
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And here are some things that came up. I'm going to answer your question with
the first, with this one, which was the idea of.
Unfamiliar soul came up
a lot as a theme and that goes to my story so i'm
proud to share the story and the story happened at my previous institution not
the one i currently work at where i had a gentleman come in i should my then
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i was an administrator and i told my assistant hey leave the door unlocked because
one of the department chairs will be bringing me a hiring packet because
he needed to hire an adjunct for emergency purposes.
So normally the FOB automatically kicks in and people have to,
you have to ID in and out of the building after 4.30.
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But she did it. She granted my wishes. She said goodnight.
And then it was already 5.55, so I'm waiting for him. We said he'd bring it before six.
And he's literally in the same building, just a few floors above. So I heard the door open.
And when I heard the door open, I said, hey, I'm here in the back.
I'm in my office, come on back. But who walked in was not one of my department chairs.
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It was a student from the street. And if I can paint this picture briefly for
folks, he and I are 305 born.
I was in downtown Miami.
And downtown in any space, especially progressive city, you get all kinds of
exciting and unique people. Right. This gentleman walked in.
He looked 20, late 20s. He looked cross between maybe Latin descent,
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you know, Anglican descent, but had a little drawstring bag,
T-shirts, you know, basketball shoes, typical, you know, young adult.
He asked me, can you help me? I need to get some advice on how to,
you know, how to register for classes for psychology. I want to be a psychologist.
So I said, sure, have a seat. So he sat at my front, my desk in the conference room.
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And as he sat there, I studied him briefly. I literally was waiting for this
packet to arrive. Still, my colleague hadn't arrived yet.
And I remember watching the gentleman. He said, I felt a vibe.
Something was not quite right.
But I thought, well, maybe, you know, he wasn't acting odd at first.
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He was just sitting there at a conference room, not keeping the conference table.
Keep in mind, the conference table is near my entrance.
The only way I can exit the room is by that way or over the balcony, which was behind me.
And so at one point, he's sitting there and I'm grabbing my keys.
I'm waiting for my colleague to bring the packet.
And all of a sudden, the young man who was sitting there was looking at my bookshelf.
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And he's looking at the art that was there. and he saw one particular art piece
that inspired him to say the following, which was, a dark angel just passed by me right now.
And I'm like, oh crap. Okay.
So now I have become the protagonist of my own story. This is not somebody you've
ever encountered. I never encountered him before. Never did.
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And at this point, I saw securities on the first floor of the building.
So I picked up the phone. I couldn't remember the safe word or code, whatever.
So I just called and I asked the gentleman who answered. Well,
I didn't do one at all for a sentence.
And I said, hey, can you tell me what time does the administrative parking lot
close? Because normally if it closes at a certain point, someone would escort
you over at that point, at that time.
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And I would be there too late, like you said earlier.
So when I did that, he said, come on, doc. You know what time it closes.
I always escort you over. It's at 7 p.m.
So then I'm calm. The young man's still talking to me, talking about the dark
angels he's seen in the room. And then I said, I could really use that information.
And without even missing a beat, the gentleman said, someone's there with you, right?
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As a matter of fact, there he is. I'm very calm. He said, okay,
we're saying security dispatch. Stay with me on the phone. I'll be right back.
Yeah, I hung up the phone. I looked at the homeboy who was sitting there.
I said, listen, I got to go to serve sushi for dinner. So I grabbed my bag and
get my keys. We getting out of here. So he started walking with me.
Like, you know, let's go walk.
Soon as I turned the corner to go into my lobby, four security guards were there.
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I just kept walking. I didn't grab my keys. I grabbed my keys,
but I didn't grab my briefcase.
So I just kept walking. there. I walked over to another building.
And it was like, and then in that other building where I was,
I was telling the security guard what had happened.
And my back is to the entrance of that door. I'm in the first floor of this
building. At one point, he gets up and says, get behind me.
That guy was there at the door looking, looking for me still.
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And so, and at that point, my APD were out and they said, come here.
Cause they're out there. Their precinct is down the street. The campus security
had already called them and they took him in.
I was like, what the heck? So So to answer your question, I was waiting to go
home, doing my business.
It's after hours. I'm doing due justice here, trying to help somebody.
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And then here comes the situation.
And ever since that point, I would say I've had two other occurrences throughout.
Going to the restroom, you encounter like crazies. Just, you know, I don't know.
I'm going to say it. Crazies at that point. Because these were not people who
were students or individuals of the institution. They were coming off of the
street from a black space.
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It was quite alarming, actually. It made me very aware that I need to be more
aware and not take for granted my surroundings.
Yeah. And, you know, so you never saw that person after the fact.
Never saw him after again.
Okay. And never, he never was, we confirmed, never a registered student. He was homeless.
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And he also has some personal, you know, mental health challenges that were later revealed.
But and a prior history a record criminal
record yeah so with a bench warrant at
that point for his arrest like it was all these like layers
of things so you know i i i may chuckle
about it now but that it's okay when you hear it on someone else until it happens
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to you all right that's right you mentioned something about being aware of your
surroundings yeah is that when you work for those folks that are listening that
some may know some some may not when you work in an educational facility.
From the moment you step in to the moment you leave, it is high pressure the entire time.
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You are putting out fires constantly from whether you're an elementary teacher
or you are a collegiate professor, university professor.
You are putting out fires throughout the day in addition to doing your job.
So it's very easy for somebody, any type of educator,
to be caught in, you know, well, taking care of this and that at the same time
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and not pay attention to your surroundings because you're so engulfed in what's
in front of you at the time.
You know, I work, I want to say it was my first couple of years of working,
started working in elementary school and in the elementary school that I worked
in, there was a custodian and who added that he had, he was,
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I guess, living in the school. Oh, wow. Yes.
And so I'll never forget that I showed up to work one day and there was a custodian
or janitor's closet that basically would have a desk and maybe some supplies,
very small, small space.
And I saw a few faculty members looking in.
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I said, what's going on here? So I walk over and I see bird marks.
On the top of the door and on the side of the door.
And the door is open and when it's inside, the entire wall is just charred.
What? In black. Including the dust. And I said, what's happening here?
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What happened to so-and-so? And I'm not going to say the person,
if I even remember correctly anyway.
And they're like, well, they, you know, they fired him. I said,
okay, naturally, I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner. But why?
What is all this black stuff? And he put out that he smoked cigarettes in the school.
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He fell asleep with a cigarette in his mouth. And by the time he woke up,
the closet, the wall in the closet was, I guess, the ash or something fell onto
or a piece of the cigarette fell onto paper.
Paper caught fire on the desk, hit up the wall.
And I guess at some point he must have put it out because I know for sure he
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wasn't calling the authorities.
And so you think to yourself okay
what was horrible the worst part is
that you know it didn't really happen because the worst would
have been that the entire building burst down with the and size but
you think to yourself you're like i work in a
place where somebody is so careless and
so aloof that in a moment's instant they could
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by accident they burn down this
place or cause fire or whatever it is
you imagine walking to school at night and seeing smoke coming out of a room
that would be creepy that wouldn't that be because it's so unexpected especially
coming from a closet and that story was kooky obviously they fired the the gentleman
that story was kooky but it also spoke in larger to,
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you know something like this happened and it just completely throws you off guard.
And Nadim, adding to that, the idea that things can happen that you don't see.
People think of the school as a sacred space for solely learning.
But then when we're no longer in our classrooms, the school doesn't belong to us, first of all.
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And our class spaces are on borrowed time.
But then others come in and they respect the spaces, whether they are human or not.
They enter those spaces and we don't know what happens. So here we are thinking,
because so they work in our mind, oh, they got all these rooms to clean.
They only have a number of hours.
Well, he was taking breaks and clearly doing, violating, you know,
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smoking, the prohibiting smoking policy.
But even more than that, he could have risked his life and burned down a legacy.
And that's like crazy. So no one would have known it.
And he's been obviously doing this for a long time. yes yes
and this is i mean i'm talking to you about 20 years
ago wow you know i'm talking to you about a long time
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ago but still it's it's that that idea now
let's focus on a part that that
we've both experienced that is
creepy parents of the
students yeah i'm gonna say this for those
listening because I there's a like you and I have a lot of
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students that we're still in contact with they you know they
have children they're in universities that you know the
majority of the parents that I've ever come across
yours is yours as well I'm sure
it's the same thing have been nothing but supportive nothing but
phenomenal and nothing but just outstanding
people that you're just you know you're like I do this job but it's also a pleasure
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to know you but having said that I think we've both dealt with some creepy parents
and this is the route I want to go this path I want to go down with you have
you ever had an issue with a parent.
Being kind of, have you ever had an issue with a parent being kind of defensive
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with you during Halloween time?
Like, Hey, don't, don't teach anything that has to do with this in your class.
My child is this and that, you know, don't, don't go down this avenue.
Have you ever experienced that? No, I'll be honest in the eight years that I
taught high school, it was never an issue.
And I'm wondering it's because as they mature, you know, those types of topics
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or holidays are introduced differently if they're not, you know,
religiously committed to not celebrate them.
I have not, but I will say that I have heard of folks, especially those who
taught in elementary through sixth grade, there is common like,
oh, this is, you know, don't expose my child to this.
This is, you know, there are reasons for it. And that's the parents, right?
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But to the point where Where it was, I'm going to remove my kid from your class
because this is like satanic and this is, yeah, I've heard of those extreme cases.
And in your case, what you're observing though, you experienced that quite a bit?
Occasionally. Occasionally. Okay. Well, a lot of times, you know,
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I taught social studies and there was a lot of times that, it happened a few
times, I wouldn't say a lot.
But before the week of Halloween, a parent would approach me or send a letter.
I remember receiving a letter once.
My child is not to know any information about the occult or anything like that.
We don't celebrate this.
And, you know, it's not like I wouldn't do whole lessons on Halloween or anything like that.
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When I was teaching history in high school, I would do like the history of Halloween
and how it started and not the actual celebration or anything like that.
But more the religious aspect of it starting.
But I have had parents say, hey, I don't want my child to learn anything about
the occult or anything like that. It's like, I'm not teaching...
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Witchcraft i don't either that's that's not what that's not
what we do here you know but i also
find it kind of like okay i get it because
it's a school but do you blindfold your child
when they go to target or walmart in the fall that's interesting this exists
whether you believe it or not you know that's a good it's a good point and i'll
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share to add to that the idea that more conservative eras of human experience
even in their times they found we dressed up do Do you remember dressing up?
Absolutely. We paraded as the kindergartners to all the important events.
Yeah, exactly. It was part of the school culture. There were songs that were sang.
And it's interesting because those days, there were no social media.
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There were no cameras. There was just tradition.
It was part of educational culture. It was expected you celebrate these holidays.
It's interesting how that's evolved over the years, though. I have to agree.
And that, in a way, it's horror or scary in itself. self because
every holiday i feel i get
it some you know howling's on everyone's flavor
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you know i get it but i also think that it's through fear that we are being
able to conquer or at least explore our own traumas our challenges our circumstances
and so it's one of those times too for fun to like be free and to dress and
become something that you could never be before is almost releasing.
So it's interesting how the whole tradition of what schools,
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what Halloween could look like, really emanated from the evolution of how it
was incorporated in schools.
And it's interesting how that has now, its school has separated it,
and in turn, it's become highly commercialized.
But yet, it still creeps its way into schools. Even churches.
Even churches. The idea, there may not be costume, but we call it,
there are still, I've seen churches selling pumpkins.
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That's right. who they're suing for.
Yes, there's harvest fest and there are other things around that are there,
but no, there are pumpkin patches and I see scarecrows and I see things that are not very religious.
These pumpkin patches. So it's interesting how the world of the religion versus
secular team seem to teeter on the fence a bit about how that works.
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Can I ask you this though? And this is a question regarding,
I asked a few folks this earlier today and here's some themes that came i'm
just gonna throw out a theme and let me hear your thought on them when you think
of like school and learning and nightmares and and terror stories as such,
here are the categories schools at night you hit it already well done dying in school school fights,
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cold reds and natural disasters you know mean and cool teachers okay stalking studio.
Are disappearing or lost students. Interesting categories of scaredom.
Yeah. And these all came up in a matter of two hours.
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Me chatting with folks at this welcome back event.
We were all milling about for breakfast. But I said, hey, let me get your thought on something.
That's right, guys. We're going on air today and talk about this.
And these are the things that emanated.
I just started jotting on my phone, like memoing on my phone these topics.
You know, sounds familiar. Any of these? All of them.
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All of them. You know, it's funny because the code red and code yellow,
and then folks, for those of you that don't know, in schools,
public schools, and colleges and universities, they practice code yellow and code red.
And code yellow basically means there's an imminent danger in the area of the
building. Code red means that there's a danger in the building.
And every month we do a practice for this, what you're supposed to do.
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It could also be natural disasters, as Billy said. Now, when we were kids, it was different.
They train you to go under a table because of a tornado, which now we know that
would have not done a single thing for us.
By the way, thank you for all those teachers who made us waste our time crawling under the tables.
I couldn't stand a chance against a tornado.
But nowadays, the code red and he said there's imminent danger in the school
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in which you're supposed to
lock your doors, you know, get away from the windows, so on and so forth.
That in itself is scary because there's an uncertainty to it.
Don't know the code red is a it's a
very general term for something is going wrong
but you don't know what it is and so
in your mindset you're saying there's something
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wrong i'm responsible for these 30 something
individuals it is my job to to make sure that i'm following protocols so they're
as safe as possible but you don't know what it is so that itself is scary students
Disappearance is heartbreaking and also scary because you go into your motions
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of every day and you're like, this is somebody,
not only are they a student, maybe in the school, maybe a student,
but there's somebody in the community.
And so that in itself is a whole other level of scary. The code red is like scary at the moment.
And then you find out more information about what it was afterwards,
whereas the student disappearing, you're like, what happened?
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And so I think that a lot of them have their both individual portions.
If you have a teacher that scares you, and there's a lot of teachers out there,
Billy, you and I have seen people in the profession.
I'm sure not now once we started teaching people who for no reason.
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Kind of set off the students having some form of, you know, fear.
The Machiavelli idea of I'd rather be feared than loved.
And that's torture in a different way. Yeah. The students will have to go every
day and deal with this person.
And even as a colleague, you would have to deal with this person.
So that's, to me, that's torturous.
You've got to deal with this person all the time. And this person,
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you know, may not be, you know, great to deal with. it.
It's funny because all of the different aspects, you could grab those things,
Billy, and crunch them together.
And it's not unreasonable to say that a teacher may go through each one of those
experiences in a single month.
Yep. Yep. I agree. And you made me just hearing you say this made me think of
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my own third grade teachers. I had great teachers in Kington 12.
And my third grade teachers were amazing teachers, but they were so scary.
And maybe because, well, I got had a reality that
just hit me yesterday and it's related to this the south
there was a a study done and it said which
school what states still have legal vocal
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punishment on the books oh yes and they're all in
the south a few in midwest but mainly all in the
south and i thought about that and i remember that
being enacted very well in third grade not on
me but with peers who were unruly and these were
two women who were very strong women very um
horrible teachers but also very scary yeah
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like scary i remember one of the teachers beating kid
like pop pop you know because he was bad it was my best friend at the time and
he was being naughty and she pow-powed him onto her patio go outside the patio
pop out she took off her shoe and pow-powed him and sent him on his way and
i look back on that and i'm thinking to myself whoa if that were today we know
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where but that would end.
You know, that would be another horror story.
Right. What happened to the teacher. But here's the idea. This one is not even here.
When, when parents drop off their kids or ship their kids to the school.
They want their kids to, to go and learn and not be harmed.
Now we're getting all these uncanny traces of individuals who are creating acts
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against children that are just extreme and they work for the school in some
capacity. And that's also scary.
It is. It is. And, and again, there's the whole like creep factor.
Listen, I've met some very creepy parents.
I met one that the guy, I mean, he looked like the crypt keeper. A lot less personality.
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And his child was a nightmare i
don't care i'll die that's the way i talk now his
child was a nightmare probably still is somewhere wherever he
is in life you know i'm talking to you about 15 years ago or so and this person
was just creepy but i was the only male teacher that this student had at the
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time the creepiness didn't really come with me towards me from this father because
he He didn't interact with me very much,
but he went out of his way to interact with females.
Now, this is a married man. Obviously, it didn't matter then,
but this is a married man, and it was just, well, maybe it did matter to him,
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but I remember my colleagues, female colleagues,
you know, and I was in a team of like 10 at the time, and I remember them telling
me, you know, this guy gives me the creeps.
I don't know what it is, but this guy gives me the creeps. And I even recall
that during the open house, they said, you know, T, let's can we all walk together to our car?
We'll all leave. And even if we leave a little later, because that guy was kind
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of lingering around with the afterglow. I want to talk to the teacher,
but they didn't feel comfortable and they didn't feel safe going to the car
alone with this individual.
So a lot of parents, just like teachers, just like other staff members,
give off this like massive creepy vibe. And you know what?
They probably are creepy. I mean, you know, you get that instinct,
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that gut feeling inside, that feeling in your chest or like,
ooh, like the feeling you had with that individual that walked into your office.
You're like, oh, something's off here. Get away from me. You know what I'm saying? Yes.
But when you meet somebody and a lot of people are kind of telling you the same
thing, hey, that guy gives me the thing.
You know, they all kind of have that same feeling and then you're like,
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something might be off here.
You know what's worse about that too? It's when, you know, because as educators
you don't want to be judgmental. You want to give everybody a chance.
But your intuition or spiritual connection, whatever folks would like to define
it as, it's speaking to you in a different,
And that difference is how you navigate life. And when it happens in your personal
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life, it's on autopilot. You accept it for what it's worth.
But when it happens at work, that's something else. And that brings up the idea
of this, the idea of student stalkers or stalking students or parents,
which is a, and I've, there have been several cases of that.
I remember very distinctly one parent.
There was a colleague of mine when I was in K through 12. He was very good looking guy.
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We were about a year apart so much
that his female students and male students his
parents during baton school night when they were got
out that he existed they were showing up sending
him gifts he had to start wearing a
fake wedding band to conceal like you
know like like to like to pretend he's not
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something not what's interesting about this that he was attracted
to women but all the while he was gay and it
was a very interesting dichotomy there because he
obviously as an individual he was very presentable
it doesn't matter who you know what he looked like or how he carried himself
but it was alluring to the women and these women were sending things during
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valentine's one of them even sent like panties it was weird and to the point
and he felt so bad every time having to go to the principal because none of
this had anything to do with his classroom.
He had positive rapport with the kids. But some of those kids' parents were
asking for conferences, but not wanting to, oh, I just want to talk to you privately.
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Can we talk? Or, hey, is it possible we can meet for coffee?
I mean, all kind of craziness.
And I laugh about it because obviously I don't have this kind of effect on people,
but if you're the person dealing with this, that could be a nightmare.
I dealt with,
I dealt with mothers that I would ask my female colleagues to be in meetings with.
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I will say that. Not to the point of receiving the types of gifts that you're
talking about, but certainly to the point where it feels that they wanted to
spend more time with me alone.
So in that case, then it's a flip side. Like, see, when they were uncomfortable
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with the parent, with the father, they'd be like, hey, can you hang around? It's creepy.
So on the other end, I would say to them, hey, listen, would you sit in the
meeting with me for this?
And what's funny about that is that they would pick up on that.
They're like, oh, no, no, I've seen the way that that mother looks at you or so on and so forth.
So, yeah, I'm not saying it happens every time, folks, but as it happened,
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it has happened. happen, not to the point with me where it's been stalkerish,
but to the point with me that I'm like, I prefer to have my female colleague
in the room at the same time. Yes.
That includes being, in my case from higher ed, this has happened in my early
years, not recently, but I've had male and female students hit on me at the
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end of the term and they were very respectful and cordial.
We're so in the zone. I think that's creepy from the person experiencing it.
Because we're so doing due diligence in our work.
We're so focused in the moment to get the teaching and the learning done with these individuals.
And you have so many in front of you. Now, I'm not thinking about a connection beyond that.
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And what's happening is these people are just, you know, enamored by some of that.
And I've had a few instances where I've had to have a conversation with my supervisor
and the student it just to let them know, I just want to make sure we're clear
because one student particularly, she kept pressing and pressing.
And I said, oh my gosh, now I chuckled at what my colleague went through at the high school.
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Here I'm now at the higher ed level experiencing it. It was quite interesting.
And I think all in these things, folks, when we share these stories.
Fright Talk is really about diving into all facets of horror and anything that
is horrifying, suspenseful in and film, culture, and books. This is culture.
And as long as we live and we have different varieties of humans like we do,
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we're going to have differences. We're going to have people who are intrigued.
And that in itself is going to bring itself out in some cases in learning spaces like schools.
Yeah, absolutely. And you know what, Billy? You and I have both been a part
of, now listen to this, folks.
We have both worked in educational institutions
where we have converted a
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portion of the building to a haunted house for fun and people
will come through and there's something about it that's
just creepy because it's in a school and how the hunter I gone to a haunted
house that Billy has done in the college the Broward College phenomenal job
you know I remember I went into what to civilians haunted house Billy's I go
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go and I've been in a bunch of times and I go in and I,
Some woman just grabbed a bongie. And I'm like, who are you?
I just hold you as we walk through. And I was like, yeah, OK, no problem.
And she was so thankful at the end. Turns out she was a student.
She was like six feet tall. And I'm like, you're scared.
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But but my point is that we've used these institutions for fundraising and we've
done haunted houses in them.
They bring out a good crowd and students
who have gone that they know it's their classroom during the day but
we converted it to look like something else they're still creeped out they know
it's their teachers putting it on they know it's the same room but it's it takes
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on a different life of its own when you change the environment or how the environment
looks even a dean even when
you're leaving at the setup and that happened last year, you let the setup of
the room and everything was set up.
Now the maze is up and it's a lot more, a lot darker in there.
And I'm like, okay, now I'm creeped out and the lights are on.
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And this is because I'm in the school and this space that I,
I run into the use for a class is now transformed into this other oasis of, of horror.
And so it was so interesting how, when it was time to leave,
I remember someone, I mean, I said, I said, what did you know?
Oh, I left my phone in scene four.
Well, somebody needs to go with me. But why are you scared now?
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Like, we know it's a maze. But then now that also amps people to prank each other.
And, you know, because now it's so interesting how that, again,
it all stars and revolves around the school.
It's in the school. And we took the school and made it this experience, this attraction.
Yes. It's very interesting. Yeah.
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And this is just a little side note. know when
you go to a haunted house do you want
to be the first one in the last one in or in the middle depending depending
i want to i want to be the first one in
i'm first and many but if
it's brand new or if it's really hype like for
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instance you know go to war night every year right and insidious is
one of the houses this year at universal norlando okay
i do not want want to go first in a house got it like
because it's that movie and so
i but others i'm like okay i don't know it depends on that house it also depends
on the vibe of the people i'm with but usually i would say 75 in the top i'm
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in front okay usually in front but there is this maybe i need to shift that
maybe it's 60 now 60 because there's a 40 i'm willing to sacrifice a soul.
And I bring my better half in front and say, hey, you go in the front.
Another thing, when it gets too dark.
I don't like impenetrable darkness. And that creeps me out.
And when I can't see in front of me, I feel like I'm self-indulgent.
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So I really don't want to be the first one.
Because then I might hit something, I bump into something, then I really freak
out. So it's like triggering all these other things. But then I am like an idiot
and get back in line and do it.
And so I find that, again, if that's happening in a school or learning space,
that just heightens it even more.
Because the last thing I want to do is die in this school where I work.
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Well, I kind of feel like I want to be the first one. And only because once
I go through that scare factor, I'm like, oh, the people behind me are so crap
on luck because I already went through it.
And now I don't have to go through. So I actually prefer to go through first
just because I know like, oh, those people behind me are going to be in for it.
Well, that's good to know. Because when we go to one, you know,
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at some point we're going to be at one together.
And I'm going to like, you go for it, brother. Fight, talk. You go right in front.
Now, I don't want to be tail either, though. I don't want to be the tail end
of the line because then they might grab me or be on my back breathing on me,
which has happened in the past.
Right. I don't want to be last either. Right.
Let me mention something else about schools that I find very freaky.
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At night, during the day, what is it with the blinking fluorescent lights that
never fully turn off and just blink the whole time like you're in some sort of butcher shop?
That is crazy. You ever be in the school at night, you're ever in the school
at night and you see those lights and then there's one like flickering.
Like there's so many times I'm like, this would make such a great start to a horror film.
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That's a good one. Or how about this, the copy machine or any other electronic device making a noise?
Yes. Like, you know, like during the summer I was in the office and I remember
all of a sudden an alarm, like the sound coming from one of the computers.
And what's funny about, weird about that is that we all have laptops.
So there should be no computer left in an office because we have laptops that
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are portable, that plug in to two screens.
But we kept hearing the sound from one office. So I called my colleague.
I called him and said, hey, are you alive? Like, die at work.
He said, no, I'm in class. I just got your call. I said, because there's a ceremony
coming for your office and I'm here with a security team. We go in.
He said, yeah, go in and find out. Turned out he was the only faculty who did
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not get one of those laptops.
He still had a tower. And that tower was making noise. Wow.
But it freaked us out. And this was broad day. It was like four of us in the
suite at the time in our respective offices.
And we all were hearing it because it's just us.
And so he said, oh my God, that was so funny. Oh, Bill, you're so funny.
And he's such an avid, he's a lover of horror too. And I'm like,
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dude, I thought you had died in there.
I don't want to be part of the story. And then here I am having to discover it, you know?
Well, you know, because you get so used to your surrounding. You do. School.
I mean, even if a parent goes in and you're going in as a parent and a parent
teacher conference or open house, you know, you're familiar more or less with
the school or how it works unless it's your first time.
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But, you know, when something is off, you could see it. If you're there every
day, you know when something doesn't look the same as it always does. Absolutely.
It reminds me of a story. When I first started working, I was an elementary teacher in fifth grade.
And there was one day that I had a little window on the door.
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Somebody passed and addressed the security guard. And I knew the security guard,
but I knew what they addressed.
I opened the door and I said, I'm sorry, can I help you?
And he said, yes, I'm here for the fire system.
I said, what do you mean you're here for the fire system? He said,
yes, I'm here for the fire system. I'm the fire sniffer.
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And I said, the fire sniffling? The principal didn't tell me anything,
and they didn't tell anybody in the staff about the fire sniffling.
So the teacher sees them in the hallway having this conversation.
I'm kind of interrogating this person, right?
And the other teachers kind of come out, and they pop their head out the door,
and they're starting to hear the conversation.
And it turns out that he explains to me, he said, well, the principal should
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have told you the fire alarm in the school doesn't work in this floor in particular.
And so the hired and
paid for this is your tax dollars at work
folks paid for a security to walk up and down the hallway and notify people
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if he sniffed the fire he was the fire sniffer so there's a few things wrong
with that number one what a waste of money all right number Number two,
don't you think, Billy, if there's a fire,
we're damn well going to smell it in a hallway.
And probably see it if it's pretty large.
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Come on now. I was like, I can hear it. I can hear it. You know,
alarms or whatever else may be impacted because of it.
I was. Essential soul. And then I, you know, I buzzed in and said,
hey, there's a gentleman here that says he sniffs out fires.
Can you please explain to me? Oh, we were supposed to tell you about that.
This and that. I'm like, no, this is a stranger in the building.
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Yeah, you were supposed to tell us about that. How can I sign up for that?
That sounds like a really interesting job. That sounds like a great job.
My smell sense is really good. So I'm like, maybe I can sign up for that.
How much did I get paid now?
I would assume that they fixed the fire alarm system.
Either that or they got rid of the guy because they realized how ridiculous
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it was. But that guy was there for like two weeks.
It's incredible. It's like saying I'm going to be the AC notifier.
I'll notify you when the AC stops working, which in the public school system
is all the time, by the way.
Yes. You know, it's an interesting place. It's a scary place.
I would love to see another horror movie filmed in a school around,
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you know, just using it as a backdrop for, you know, Halloween time or something
like that. I would love for that to happen.
I'd love to see them bring that forward just a little bit more because it could
really be a creepy space.
And I don't think people attribute it to being a creepy space,
but they're all for it. Not just creepy, frightening.
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Music.
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Hello world, welcome to another exciting edition of Fright Talk.
I'm here with your hosts, Billy Jones and Nadine Tabs, here to bring you another
exciting episode of our phenomenal, gothic, horror, and lovely Frightful show.
Now, our topic today focuses on horror stories in school, and maybe even teachers,
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and Lord knows, probably parents too.
But I'm here with my better half, who is my partner in crime.
Absolutely. I'm going to have him introduce himself, even though he needs no introduction.
My partner, Billy. What's up, NT? And what's up, world? Hey, Fright Talk fam.
It's great to be back. I can't wait to dive into this topic.
You know, Billy, both of us have a background as educators and in education,
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and we've gone through a lot of experiences.
What do you think it is about school that it can have a creepy and scary element
to it. And I'm not talking about the day-to-day.
I'm just talking about the notion of this is a place where it's filled with
noise and sometimes chaos during the day, and it's definitely silent at night.
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I think schools, well, first, if we look at it as an edifice,
it's a building, a place where many people congregate for a certain amount of time, right?
And if you're in a K-12 system, as when we think of schools,
we're thinking of schools truly from a K-12 standpoint, there are spaces that
are very thriving and alive with youthful sounds, clutter, learning.
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And as the day progresses, things begin to be a little different.
And as those little feet or those bigger feet, they journey out of the door,
that building's still there.
And so as a result, what I'm beginning to realize is that our schools are great,
incredible spaces for convening.
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But with social media and all the things that we've seen in history,
not even recently, folks, we can go all the way back to the 70s,
all the things that have happened, unfortunately, in school settings.
That has just sharpened or heightened, I should say, rather,
our awareness of what a learning or school nightmare, a teacher nightmare,
anybody's nightmare could be in this matter.
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And I think that's what, so now schools have become questionable safe spaces. Yes.
Yes. And for the folks listening, you know, today's episode,
we know that when it comes to violence in schools and that sort of thing,
obviously, we in no way, shape or form condone any of that.
As educators, we appreciate the safety of faculty, staff, especially students
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and everybody in the building.
So please don't take today's episode as
looking at all the grim we want to
look instead at the frightful portions of it
and those frightful portions could actually be quite a
bit now billy and i have worked for a long time in
different school systems and we do know that we've had to stay many a times
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really late very late in school we're the last people there locking up the building
or leaving with the person locking up the building and it's such a creepy vibe
right There's something off about it.
It's hard to describe. What are your feelings on that in the days that you were
there and you're the person closing it down?
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It's just something about walking through that empty space at night.
It's a chilling vibe. Schools at night.
I'm going to use a good example.
We're all starting now back to school, even though in higher ed,
the same thing occurs. When I'm in my suite or the faculty suite and in my office,
sometimes I stay late with the intention of not bringing the work home.
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So I'll stay late and great.
I become suddenly aware due to my biological clock and also the faculties of
my biological. And I say biological clock, meaning, you know,
using the restroom or hunger.
I start becoming very aware of the silence around me.
And then I started realizing I'm deep inside this suite and that bathroom is
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not that close. I have to exit the suite.
The lights are off. So I work in a lead building, but all the lights are on,
you know, energy saving and all that. So it's dark.
And so at night, it's like the school. I love it, but the school comes alive in a different way.
Now, when I get in the hallway, I can see life on the other side of the hall
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or the space because there are classes on the other side. But they're away from the faculty suite.
So at night, I feel like it's like the school becomes its own creature.
And yes, there are cleaning services and there are security that are around,
but they're not everywhere.
They're rotating the premises. They're doing their respective work.
So when you have to go, I'm not scared.
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I'm just more acutely aware of my surroundings via the night in silence.
Yes. And I mean, I'm sure we both had the experience of the security guards
in the buildings are probably not, especially when we're in the public school
system more than college,
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but they're probably not, they're not going to help you.
Like they're not the first person you know in
my experience a lot of those school security guards are people that are older
or people that just don't move as quickly or their reflexes aren't as quick
and so thankfully i don't feel like we've ever had to rely on them for anything
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in in school safety but you know we're talking about this issue and as we started i just dawned on me,
Nightmare on Elm Street wasn't Freddie a custodian or a janitor,
in like the basement of the Steve in like an elementary school or something
isn't that where the Freddie story started so it's a good question I'm recalling
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Freddie there was that scene in a school is that the one we're talking about
the first one with Johnny Depp when he had that brief moment yeah it was like the boiler room.
Wasn't that in a school or something it was in an educational setting
we could be wrong and this is correct as a viewer you're very correct
but i think so i thought that the the
storyline with him was that he was some form
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of abuser yeah but he was a custodian in a school something to that effect access
directly to children correct correct yeah and also with you know there's a lot
of movies we see it happens in halloween it happens at hocus pocus that time
of the fall because a lot of States do have fall breaks.
The time of the fall and the kids going out of school for the fall break and
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the leaves are turning color and it just so happens that that's the time for
Halloween and there's always something going on.
It just kind of really paints that element of it. Do you feel that there are enough,
scary story about school? No, there aren't.
In fact, I think what happens is that the school becomes the catalyst or,
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you know, of either a, the issue or it just is where it's born or emanates and
then it moves into another direction.
And I'm wondering, maybe that is because schools were always,
they were these historic safe spaces.
And now as generations have matured and evolved,
involved i think there is no safe space
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and so as a result i think it's now and
this time we're beginning to see i'll tell you where i'm seeing more where schools
are being highlighted more in literature or literature
is taking it on but i'm not seeing it for the visual
aspect at least for my own observation from a film
yeah yeah yeah and.
I you know i remember certain 80s movies where
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they would like focus in the high school and stuff like that even i think
the bucket of vampire slayer movie there was a portion there
where he and so there's a lot of movies that kind of
focus in on that part or use it
like you're like you're saying it's the setting of
it and so that setting in particular there's just
something about it now billy let's move more
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to the individual okay people
that we've worked maybe not that we necessarily work with
but you know how it is in the system you hear a lot of
stories of different people and sometimes it's
not something creepy about them maybe it's
just something really odd do
you without obviously we're not going to divulge
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any names or anything but do you have any
creepy odd stories that maybe you heard it maybe not necessarily experienced
because this is me giving you the out here maybe or maybe a story you've heard
that you'd like to share well i want to share this i appreciate the question
because just today I reported back to work for.
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You know, after being off for the summer, right, as a professor.
And I asked several of my colleagues, I said, hey, NT and I,
for our guys, we're going on air later today to, you know, to talk about,
you know, school nightmares and things that are associated.
And just when you think of that, whatever that may be, or think of their schools
as a scared place or an interesting place, what comes to mind?
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And here are some things that came up. I'm going to answer your question with
the first, with this one, which was the idea of.
Unfamiliar soul came up
a lot as a theme and that goes to my story so i'm
proud to share the story and the story happened at my previous institution not
the one i currently work at where i had a gentleman come in i should my then
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i was an administrator and i told my assistant hey leave the door unlocked because
one of the department chairs will be bringing me a hiring packet because
he needed to hire an adjunct for emergency purposes.
So normally the FOB automatically kicks in and people have to,
you have to ID in and out of the building after 4.30.
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But she did it. She granted my wishes. She said goodnight.
And then it was already 5.55, so I'm waiting for him. We said he'd bring it before six.
And he's literally in the same building, just a few floors above. So I heard the door open.
And when I heard the door open, I said, hey, I'm here in the back.
I'm in my office, come on back. But who walked in was not one of my department chairs.
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It was a student from the street. And if I can paint this picture briefly for
folks, he and I are 305 born.
I was in downtown Miami.
And downtown in any space, especially progressive city, you get all kinds of
exciting and unique people. Right. This gentleman walked in.
He looked 20, late 20s. He looked cross between maybe Latin descent,
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you know, Anglican descent, but had a little drawstring bag,
T-shirts, you know, basketball shoes, typical, you know, young adult.
He asked me, can you help me? I need to get some advice on how to,
you know, how to register for classes for psychology. I want to be a psychologist.
So I said, sure, have a seat. So he sat at my front, my desk in the conference room.
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And as he sat there, I studied him briefly. I literally was waiting for this
packet to arrive. Still, my colleague hadn't arrived yet.
And I remember watching the gentleman. He said, I felt a vibe.
Something was not quite right.
But I thought, well, maybe, you know, he wasn't acting odd at first.
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He was just sitting there at a conference room, not keeping the conference table.
Keep in mind, the conference table is near my entrance.
The only way I can exit the room is by that way or over the balcony, which was behind me.
And so at one point, he's sitting there and I'm grabbing my keys.
I'm waiting for my colleague to bring the packet.
And all of a sudden, the young man who was sitting there was looking at my bookshelf.
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And he's looking at the art that was there. and he saw one particular art piece
that inspired him to say the following, which was, a dark angel just passed by me right now.
And I'm like, oh crap. Okay.
So now I have become the protagonist of my own story. This is not somebody you've
ever encountered. I never encountered him before. Never did.
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And at this point, I saw securities on the first floor of the building.
So I picked up the phone. I couldn't remember the safe word or code, whatever.
So I just called and I asked the gentleman who answered. Well,
I didn't do one at all for a sentence.
And I said, hey, can you tell me what time does the administrative parking lot
close? Because normally if it closes at a certain point, someone would escort
you over at that point, at that time.
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And I would be there too late, like you said earlier.
So when I did that, he said, come on, doc. You know what time it closes.
I always escort you over. It's at 7 p.m.
So then I'm calm. The young man's still talking to me, talking about the dark
angels he's seen in the room. And then I said, I could really use that information.
And without even missing a beat, the gentleman said, someone's there with you, right?
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As a matter of fact, there he is. I'm very calm. He said, okay,
we're saying security dispatch. Stay with me on the phone. I'll be right back.
Yeah, I hung up the phone. I looked at the homeboy who was sitting there.
I said, listen, I got to go to serve sushi for dinner. So I grabbed my bag and
get my keys. We getting out of here. So he started walking with me.
Like, you know, let's go walk.
Soon as I turned the corner to go into my lobby, four security guards were there.
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I just kept walking. I didn't grab my keys. I grabbed my keys,
but I didn't grab my briefcase.
So I just kept walking. there. I walked over to another building.
And it was like, and then in that other building where I was,
I was telling the security guard what had happened.
And my back is to the entrance of that door. I'm in the first floor of this
building. At one point, he gets up and says, get behind me.
That guy was there at the door looking, looking for me still.
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And so, and at that point, my APD were out and they said, come here.
Cause they're out there. Their precinct is down the street. The campus security
had already called them and they took him in.
I was like, what the heck? So So to answer your question, I was waiting to go
home, doing my business.
It's after hours. I'm doing due justice here, trying to help somebody.
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And then here comes the situation.
And ever since that point, I would say I've had two other occurrences throughout.
Going to the restroom, you encounter like crazies. Just, you know, I don't know.
I'm going to say it. Crazies at that point. Because these were not people who
were students or individuals of the institution. They were coming off of the
street from a black space.
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It was quite alarming, actually. It made me very aware that I need to be more
aware and not take for granted my surroundings.
Yeah. And, you know, so you never saw that person after the fact.
Never saw him after again.
Okay. And never, he never was, we confirmed, never a registered student. He was homeless.
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And he also has some personal, you know, mental health challenges that were later revealed.
But and a prior history a record criminal
record yeah so with a bench warrant at
that point for his arrest like it was all these like layers
of things so you know i i i may chuckle
about it now but that it's okay when you hear it on someone else until it happens
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to you all right that's right you mentioned something about being aware of your
surroundings yeah is that when you work for those folks that are listening that
some may know some some may not when you work in an educational facility.
From the moment you step in to the moment you leave, it is high pressure the entire time.
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You are putting out fires constantly from whether you're an elementary teacher
or you are a collegiate professor, university professor.
You are putting out fires throughout the day in addition to doing your job.
So it's very easy for somebody, any type of educator,
to be caught in, you know, well, taking care of this and that at the same time
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and not pay attention to your surroundings because you're so engulfed in what's
in front of you at the time.
You know, I work, I want to say it was my first couple of years of working,
started working in elementary school and in the elementary school that I worked
in, there was a custodian and who added that he had, he was,
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I guess, living in the school. Oh, wow. Yes.
And so I'll never forget that I showed up to work one day and there was a custodian
or janitor's closet that basically would have a desk and maybe some supplies,
very small, small space.
And I saw a few faculty members looking in.
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I said, what's going on here? So I walk over and I see bird marks.
On the top of the door and on the side of the door.
And the door is open and when it's inside, the entire wall is just charred.
What? In black. Including the dust. And I said, what's happening here?
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What happened to so-and-so? And I'm not going to say the person,
if I even remember correctly anyway.
And they're like, well, they, you know, they fired him. I said,
okay, naturally, I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner. But why?
What is all this black stuff? And he put out that he smoked cigarettes in the school.
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He fell asleep with a cigarette in his mouth. And by the time he woke up,
the closet, the wall in the closet was, I guess, the ash or something fell onto
or a piece of the cigarette fell onto paper.
Paper caught fire on the desk, hit up the wall.
And I guess at some point he must have put it out because I know for sure he
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wasn't calling the authorities.
And so you think to yourself okay
what was horrible the worst part is
that you know it didn't really happen because the worst would
have been that the entire building burst down with the and size but
you think to yourself you're like i work in a
place where somebody is so careless and
so aloof that in a moment's instant they could
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by accident they burn down this
place or cause fire or whatever it is
you imagine walking to school at night and seeing smoke coming out of a room
that would be creepy that wouldn't that be because it's so unexpected especially
coming from a closet and that story was kooky obviously they fired the the gentleman
that story was kooky but it also spoke in larger to,
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you know something like this happened and it just completely throws you off guard.
And Nadim, adding to that, the idea that things can happen that you don't see.
People think of the school as a sacred space for solely learning.
But then when we're no longer in our classrooms, the school doesn't belong to us, first of all.
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And our class spaces are on borrowed time.
But then others come in and they respect the spaces, whether they are human or not.
They enter those spaces and we don't know what happens. So here we are thinking,
because so they work in our mind, oh, they got all these rooms to clean.
They only have a number of hours.
Well, he was taking breaks and clearly doing, violating, you know,
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smoking, the prohibiting smoking policy.
But even more than that, he could have risked his life and burned down a legacy.
And that's like crazy. So no one would have known it.
And he's been obviously doing this for a long time. yes yes
and this is i mean i'm talking to you about 20 years
ago wow you know i'm talking to you about a long time
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ago but still it's it's that that idea now
let's focus on a part that that
we've both experienced that is
creepy parents of the
students yeah i'm gonna say this for those
listening because I there's a like you and I have a lot of
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students that we're still in contact with they you know they
have children they're in universities that you know the
majority of the parents that I've ever come across
yours is yours as well I'm sure
it's the same thing have been nothing but supportive nothing but
phenomenal and nothing but just outstanding
people that you're just you know you're like I do this job but it's also a pleasure
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to know you but having said that I think we've both dealt with some creepy parents
and this is the route I want to go this path I want to go down with you have
you ever had an issue with a parent.
Being kind of, have you ever had an issue with a parent being kind of defensive
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with you during Halloween time?
Like, Hey, don't, don't teach anything that has to do with this in your class.
My child is this and that, you know, don't, don't go down this avenue.
Have you ever experienced that? No, I'll be honest in the eight years that I
taught high school, it was never an issue.
And I'm wondering it's because as they mature, you know, those types of topics
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or holidays are introduced differently if they're not, you know,
religiously committed to not celebrate them.
I have not, but I will say that I have heard of folks, especially those who
taught in elementary through sixth grade, there is common like,
oh, this is, you know, don't expose my child to this.
This is, you know, there are reasons for it. And that's the parents, right?
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But to the point where Where it was, I'm going to remove my kid from your class
because this is like satanic and this is, yeah, I've heard of those extreme cases.
And in your case, what you're observing though, you experienced that quite a bit?
Occasionally. Occasionally. Okay. Well, a lot of times, you know,
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I taught social studies and there was a lot of times that, it happened a few
times, I wouldn't say a lot.
But before the week of Halloween, a parent would approach me or send a letter.
I remember receiving a letter once.
My child is not to know any information about the occult or anything like that.
We don't celebrate this.
And, you know, it's not like I wouldn't do whole lessons on Halloween or anything like that.
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When I was teaching history in high school, I would do like the history of Halloween
and how it started and not the actual celebration or anything like that.
But more the religious aspect of it starting.
But I have had parents say, hey, I don't want my child to learn anything about
the occult or anything like that. It's like, I'm not teaching...
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Witchcraft i don't either that's that's not what that's not
what we do here you know but i also
find it kind of like okay i get it because
it's a school but do you blindfold your child
when they go to target or walmart in the fall that's interesting this exists
whether you believe it or not you know that's a good it's a good point and i'll
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share to add to that the idea that more conservative eras of human experience
even in their times they found we dressed up do Do you remember dressing up?
Absolutely. We paraded as the kindergartners to all the important events.
Yeah, exactly. It was part of the school culture. There were songs that were sang.
And it's interesting because those days, there were no social media.
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There were no cameras. There was just tradition.
It was part of educational culture. It was expected you celebrate these holidays.
It's interesting how that's evolved over the years, though. I have to agree.
And that, in a way, it's horror or scary in itself. self because
every holiday i feel i get
it some you know howling's on everyone's flavor
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you know i get it but i also think that it's through fear that we are being
able to conquer or at least explore our own traumas our challenges our circumstances
and so it's one of those times too for fun to like be free and to dress and
become something that you could never be before is almost releasing.
So it's interesting how the whole tradition of what schools,
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what Halloween could look like, really emanated from the evolution of how it
was incorporated in schools.
And it's interesting how that has now, its school has separated it,
and in turn, it's become highly commercialized.
But yet, it still creeps its way into schools. Even churches.
Even churches. The idea, there may not be costume, but we call it,
there are still, I've seen churches selling pumpkins.
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That's right. who they're suing for.
Yes, there's harvest fest and there are other things around that are there,
but no, there are pumpkin patches and I see scarecrows and I see things that are not very religious.
These pumpkin patches. So it's interesting how the world of the religion versus
secular team seem to teeter on the fence a bit about how that works.
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Can I ask you this though? And this is a question regarding,
I asked a few folks this earlier today and here's some themes that came i'm
just gonna throw out a theme and let me hear your thought on them when you think
of like school and learning and nightmares and and terror stories as such,
here are the categories schools at night you hit it already well done dying in school school fights,
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cold reds and natural disasters you know mean and cool teachers okay stalking studio.
Are disappearing or lost students. Interesting categories of scaredom.
Yeah. And these all came up in a matter of two hours.
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Me chatting with folks at this welcome back event.
We were all milling about for breakfast. But I said, hey, let me get your thought on something.
That's right, guys. We're going on air today and talk about this.
And these are the things that emanated.
I just started jotting on my phone, like memoing on my phone these topics.
You know, sounds familiar. Any of these? All of them.
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All of them. You know, it's funny because the code red and code yellow,
and then folks, for those of you that don't know, in schools,
public schools, and colleges and universities, they practice code yellow and code red.
And code yellow basically means there's an imminent danger in the area of the
building. Code red means that there's a danger in the building.
And every month we do a practice for this, what you're supposed to do.
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It could also be natural disasters, as Billy said. Now, when we were kids, it was different.
They train you to go under a table because of a tornado, which now we know that
would have not done a single thing for us.
By the way, thank you for all those teachers who made us waste our time crawling under the tables.
I couldn't stand a chance against a tornado.
But nowadays, the code red and he said there's imminent danger in the school
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in which you're supposed to
lock your doors, you know, get away from the windows, so on and so forth.
That in itself is scary because there's an uncertainty to it.
Don't know the code red is a it's a
very general term for something is going wrong
but you don't know what it is and so
in your mindset you're saying there's something
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wrong i'm responsible for these 30 something
individuals it is my job to to make sure that i'm following protocols so they're
as safe as possible but you don't know what it is so that itself is scary students
Disappearance is heartbreaking and also scary because you go into your motions
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of every day and you're like, this is somebody,
not only are they a student, maybe in the school, maybe a student,
but there's somebody in the community.
And so that in itself is a whole other level of scary. The code red is like scary at the moment.
And then you find out more information about what it was afterwards,
whereas the student disappearing, you're like, what happened?
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And so I think that a lot of them have their both individual portions.
If you have a teacher that scares you, and there's a lot of teachers out there,
Billy, you and I have seen people in the profession.
I'm sure not now once we started teaching people who for no reason.
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Kind of set off the students having some form of, you know, fear.
The Machiavelli idea of I'd rather be feared than loved.
And that's torture in a different way. Yeah. The students will have to go every
day and deal with this person.
And even as a colleague, you would have to deal with this person.
So that's, to me, that's torturous.
You've got to deal with this person all the time. And this person,
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you know, may not be, you know, great to deal with. it.
It's funny because all of the different aspects, you could grab those things,
Billy, and crunch them together.
And it's not unreasonable to say that a teacher may go through each one of those
experiences in a single month.
Yep. Yep. I agree. And you made me just hearing you say this made me think of
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my own third grade teachers. I had great teachers in Kington 12.
And my third grade teachers were amazing teachers, but they were so scary.
And maybe because, well, I got had a reality that
just hit me yesterday and it's related to this the south
there was a a study done and it said which
school what states still have legal vocal
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punishment on the books oh yes and they're all in
the south a few in midwest but mainly all in the
south and i thought about that and i remember that
being enacted very well in third grade not on
me but with peers who were unruly and these were
two women who were very strong women very um
horrible teachers but also very scary yeah
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like scary i remember one of the teachers beating kid
like pop pop you know because he was bad it was my best friend at the time and
he was being naughty and she pow-powed him onto her patio go outside the patio
pop out she took off her shoe and pow-powed him and sent him on his way and
i look back on that and i'm thinking to myself whoa if that were today we know
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where but that would end.
You know, that would be another horror story.
Right. What happened to the teacher. But here's the idea. This one is not even here.
When, when parents drop off their kids or ship their kids to the school.
They want their kids to, to go and learn and not be harmed.
Now we're getting all these uncanny traces of individuals who are creating acts
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against children that are just extreme and they work for the school in some
capacity. And that's also scary.
It is. It is. And, and again, there's the whole like creep factor.
Listen, I've met some very creepy parents.
I met one that the guy, I mean, he looked like the crypt keeper. A lot less personality.
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And his child was a nightmare i
don't care i'll die that's the way i talk now his
child was a nightmare probably still is somewhere wherever he
is in life you know i'm talking to you about 15 years ago or so and this person
was just creepy but i was the only male teacher that this student had at the
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time the creepiness didn't really come with me towards me from this father because
he He didn't interact with me very much,
but he went out of his way to interact with females.
Now, this is a married man. Obviously, it didn't matter then,
but this is a married man, and it was just, well, maybe it did matter to him,
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but I remember my colleagues, female colleagues,
you know, and I was in a team of like 10 at the time, and I remember them telling
me, you know, this guy gives me the creeps.
I don't know what it is, but this guy gives me the creeps. And I even recall
that during the open house, they said, you know, T, let's can we all walk together to our car?
We'll all leave. And even if we leave a little later, because that guy was kind
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of lingering around with the afterglow. I want to talk to the teacher,
but they didn't feel comfortable and they didn't feel safe going to the car
alone with this individual.
So a lot of parents, just like teachers, just like other staff members,
give off this like massive creepy vibe. And you know what?
They probably are creepy. I mean, you know, you get that instinct,
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that gut feeling inside, that feeling in your chest or like,
ooh, like the feeling you had with that individual that walked into your office.
You're like, oh, something's off here. Get away from me. You know what I'm saying? Yes.
But when you meet somebody and a lot of people are kind of telling you the same
thing, hey, that guy gives me the thing.
You know, they all kind of have that same feeling and then you're like,
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something might be off here.
You know what's worse about that too? It's when, you know, because as educators
you don't want to be judgmental. You want to give everybody a chance.
But your intuition or spiritual connection, whatever folks would like to define
it as, it's speaking to you in a different,
And that difference is how you navigate life. And when it happens in your personal
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life, it's on autopilot. You accept it for what it's worth.
But when it happens at work, that's something else. And that brings up the idea
of this, the idea of student stalkers or stalking students or parents,
which is a, and I've, there have been several cases of that.
I remember very distinctly one parent.
There was a colleague of mine when I was in K through 12. He was very good looking guy.
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We were about a year apart so much
that his female students and male students his
parents during baton school night when they were got
out that he existed they were showing up sending
him gifts he had to start wearing a
fake wedding band to conceal like you
know like like to like to pretend he's not
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something not what's interesting about this that he was attracted
to women but all the while he was gay and it
was a very interesting dichotomy there because he
obviously as an individual he was very presentable
it doesn't matter who you know what he looked like or how he carried himself
but it was alluring to the women and these women were sending things during
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valentine's one of them even sent like panties it was weird and to the point
and he felt so bad every time having to go to the principal because none of
this had anything to do with his classroom.
He had positive rapport with the kids. But some of those kids' parents were
asking for conferences, but not wanting to, oh, I just want to talk to you privately.
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Can we talk? Or, hey, is it possible we can meet for coffee?
I mean, all kind of craziness.
And I laugh about it because obviously I don't have this kind of effect on people,
but if you're the person dealing with this, that could be a nightmare.
I dealt with,
I dealt with mothers that I would ask my female colleagues to be in meetings with.
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I will say that. Not to the point of receiving the types of gifts that you're
talking about, but certainly to the point where it feels that they wanted to
spend more time with me alone.
So in that case, then it's a flip side. Like, see, when they were uncomfortable
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with the parent, with the father, they'd be like, hey, can you hang around? It's creepy.
So on the other end, I would say to them, hey, listen, would you sit in the
meeting with me for this?
And what's funny about that is that they would pick up on that.
They're like, oh, no, no, I've seen the way that that mother looks at you or so on and so forth.
So, yeah, I'm not saying it happens every time, folks, but as it happened,
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it has happened. happen, not to the point with me where it's been stalkerish,
but to the point with me that I'm like, I prefer to have my female colleague
in the room at the same time. Yes.
That includes being, in my case from higher ed, this has happened in my early
years, not recently, but I've had male and female students hit on me at the
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end of the term and they were very respectful and cordial.
We're so in the zone. I think that's creepy from the person experiencing it.
Because we're so doing due diligence in our work.
We're so focused in the moment to get the teaching and the learning done with these individuals.
And you have so many in front of you. Now, I'm not thinking about a connection beyond that.
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And what's happening is these people are just, you know, enamored by some of that.
And I've had a few instances where I've had to have a conversation with my supervisor
and the student it just to let them know, I just want to make sure we're clear
because one student particularly, she kept pressing and pressing.
And I said, oh my gosh, now I chuckled at what my colleague went through at the high school.
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Here I'm now at the higher ed level experiencing it. It was quite interesting.
And I think all in these things, folks, when we share these stories.
Fright Talk is really about diving into all facets of horror and anything that
is horrifying, suspenseful in and film, culture, and books. This is culture.
And as long as we live and we have different varieties of humans like we do,
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we're going to have differences. We're going to have people who are intrigued.
And that in itself is going to bring itself out in some cases in learning spaces like schools.
Yeah, absolutely. And you know what, Billy? You and I have both been a part
of, now listen to this, folks.
We have both worked in educational institutions
where we have converted a
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portion of the building to a haunted house for fun and people
will come through and there's something about it that's
just creepy because it's in a school and how the hunter I gone to a haunted
house that Billy has done in the college the Broward College phenomenal job
you know I remember I went into what to civilians haunted house Billy's I go
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go and I've been in a bunch of times and I go in and I,
Some woman just grabbed a bongie. And I'm like, who are you?
I just hold you as we walk through. And I was like, yeah, OK, no problem.
And she was so thankful at the end. Turns out she was a student.
She was like six feet tall. And I'm like, you're scared.
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But but my point is that we've used these institutions for fundraising and we've
done haunted houses in them.
They bring out a good crowd and students
who have gone that they know it's their classroom during the day but
we converted it to look like something else they're still creeped out they know
it's their teachers putting it on they know it's the same room but it's it takes
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on a different life of its own when you change the environment or how the environment
looks even a dean even when
you're leaving at the setup and that happened last year, you let the setup of
the room and everything was set up.
Now the maze is up and it's a lot more, a lot darker in there.
And I'm like, okay, now I'm creeped out and the lights are on.
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And this is because I'm in the school and this space that I,
I run into the use for a class is now transformed into this other oasis of, of horror.
And so it was so interesting how, when it was time to leave,
I remember someone, I mean, I said, I said, what did you know?
Oh, I left my phone in scene four.
Well, somebody needs to go with me. But why are you scared now?
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Like, we know it's a maze. But then now that also amps people to prank each other.
And, you know, because now it's so interesting how that, again,
it all stars and revolves around the school.
It's in the school. And we took the school and made it this experience, this attraction.
Yes. It's very interesting. Yeah.
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And this is just a little side note. know when
you go to a haunted house do you want
to be the first one in the last one in or in the middle depending depending
i want to i want to be the first one in
i'm first and many but if
it's brand new or if it's really hype like for
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instance you know go to war night every year right and insidious is
one of the houses this year at universal norlando okay
i do not want want to go first in a house got it like
because it's that movie and so
i but others i'm like okay i don't know it depends on that house it also depends
on the vibe of the people i'm with but usually i would say 75 in the top i'm
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in front okay usually in front but there is this maybe i need to shift that
maybe it's 60 now 60 because there's a 40 i'm willing to sacrifice a soul.
And I bring my better half in front and say, hey, you go in the front.
Another thing, when it gets too dark.
I don't like impenetrable darkness. And that creeps me out.
And when I can't see in front of me, I feel like I'm self-indulgent.
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So I really don't want to be the first one.
Because then I might hit something, I bump into something, then I really freak
out. So it's like triggering all these other things. But then I am like an idiot
and get back in line and do it.
And so I find that, again, if that's happening in a school or learning space,
that just heightens it even more.
Because the last thing I want to do is die in this school where I work.
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Well, I kind of feel like I want to be the first one. And only because once
I go through that scare factor, I'm like, oh, the people behind me are so crap
on luck because I already went through it.
And now I don't have to go through. So I actually prefer to go through first
just because I know like, oh, those people behind me are going to be in for it.
Well, that's good to know. Because when we go to one, you know,
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at some point we're going to be at one together.
And I'm going to like, you go for it, brother. Fight, talk. You go right in front.
Now, I don't want to be tail either, though. I don't want to be the tail end
of the line because then they might grab me or be on my back breathing on me,
which has happened in the past.
Right. I don't want to be last either. Right.
Let me mention something else about schools that I find very freaky.
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At night, during the day, what is it with the blinking fluorescent lights that
never fully turn off and just blink the whole time like you're in some sort of butcher shop?
That is crazy. You ever be in the school at night, you're ever in the school
at night and you see those lights and then there's one like flickering.
Like there's so many times I'm like, this would make such a great start to a horror film.
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That's a good one. Or how about this, the copy machine or any other electronic device making a noise?
Yes. Like, you know, like during the summer I was in the office and I remember
all of a sudden an alarm, like the sound coming from one of the computers.
And what's funny about, weird about that is that we all have laptops.
So there should be no computer left in an office because we have laptops that
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are portable, that plug in to two screens.
But we kept hearing the sound from one office. So I called my colleague.
I called him and said, hey, are you alive? Like, die at work.
He said, no, I'm in class. I just got your call. I said, because there's a ceremony
coming for your office and I'm here with a security team. We go in.
He said, yeah, go in and find out. Turned out he was the only faculty who did
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not get one of those laptops.
He still had a tower. And that tower was making noise. Wow.
But it freaked us out. And this was broad day. It was like four of us in the
suite at the time in our respective offices.
And we all were hearing it because it's just us.
And so he said, oh my God, that was so funny. Oh, Bill, you're so funny.
And he's such an avid, he's a lover of horror too. And I'm like,
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dude, I thought you had died in there.
I don't want to be part of the story. And then here I am having to discover it, you know?
Well, you know, because you get so used to your surrounding. You do. School.
I mean, even if a parent goes in and you're going in as a parent and a parent
teacher conference or open house, you know, you're familiar more or less with
the school or how it works unless it's your first time.
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But, you know, when something is off, you could see it. If you're there every
day, you know when something doesn't look the same as it always does. Absolutely.
It reminds me of a story. When I first started working, I was an elementary teacher in fifth grade.
And there was one day that I had a little window on the door.
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Somebody passed and addressed the security guard. And I knew the security guard,
but I knew what they addressed.
I opened the door and I said, I'm sorry, can I help you?
And he said, yes, I'm here for the fire system.
I said, what do you mean you're here for the fire system? He said,
yes, I'm here for the fire system. I'm the fire sniffer.
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And I said, the fire sniffling? The principal didn't tell me anything,
and they didn't tell anybody in the staff about the fire sniffling.
So the teacher sees them in the hallway having this conversation.
I'm kind of interrogating this person, right?
And the other teachers kind of come out, and they pop their head out the door,
and they're starting to hear the conversation.
And it turns out that he explains to me, he said, well, the principal should
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have told you the fire alarm in the school doesn't work in this floor in particular.
And so the hired and
paid for this is your tax dollars at work
folks paid for a security to walk up and down the hallway and notify people
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if he sniffed the fire he was the fire sniffer so there's a few things wrong
with that number one what a waste of money all right number Number two,
don't you think, Billy, if there's a fire,
we're damn well going to smell it in a hallway.
And probably see it if it's pretty large.
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Come on now. I was like, I can hear it. I can hear it. You know,
alarms or whatever else may be impacted because of it.
I was. Essential soul. And then I, you know, I buzzed in and said,
hey, there's a gentleman here that says he sniffs out fires.
Can you please explain to me? Oh, we were supposed to tell you about that.
This and that. I'm like, no, this is a stranger in the building.
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Yeah, you were supposed to tell us about that. How can I sign up for that?
That sounds like a really interesting job. That sounds like a great job.
My smell sense is really good. So I'm like, maybe I can sign up for that.
How much did I get paid now?
I would assume that they fixed the fire alarm system.
Either that or they got rid of the guy because they realized how ridiculous
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it was. But that guy was there for like two weeks.
It's incredible. It's like saying I'm going to be the AC notifier.
I'll notify you when the AC stops working, which in the public school system
is all the time, by the way.
Yes. You know, it's an interesting place. It's a scary place.
I would love to see another horror movie filmed in a school around,
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you know, just using it as a backdrop for, you know, Halloween time or something
like that. I would love for that to happen.
I'd love to see them bring that forward just a little bit more because it could
really be a creepy space.
And I don't think people attribute it to being a creepy space,
but they're all for it. Not just creepy, frightening.
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Frightening. Yeah. Yeah. And folks, and there you have it.
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And in fact, tune in because in our next episode as well, we have a few things coming up.
And since we're talking in the nature of school, well, we're going to go in
another route regarding children.
Children and so we have a great episode coming up
(47:43):
that we'll be looking at more than child's play children as monsters
and then we are coming on scare season so folks you you gotta tune in a we have
things coming up from reviews on costumes small town versus large town halloweens
favorite scary stories our annual tradition and you get to see us on october
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30th if you want to participate speak live.
We're partnering with Burrard College to do a one-hour Zoom webinar live.
We're going to be talking about the classics of horror as well.
So you have these classic icons there. You have all these things going on.
Hey, the Fright Talk family loves you. And without you, we can't do this.
So thanks for listening. And until next time, stay scary.
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