October 2, 2025 • 26 mins
What if the healthcare system isn’t broken—it just wasn’t built for women like you?
Today on From Wounds to Wisdom™, Barbie Moreno welcomes Alenka Kyslik—a recovering people-pleaser turned tech innovator—whose health crisis became a soul initiation.
After years of misdiagnosis and re-injury, Alenka realized the system wasn't going to save her—so she built her own. Her story reveals:
🌀 How a torn ankle became a doorway to self-healing
🌍 The 30+ healing modalities she tried (and what actually helped)
🔍 Why she created Saha Collective—a matchmaking platform for holistic providers
💡 How to reclaim your power when you’ve been dismissed by the system
🧠 The link between stress, illness, and your body’s untold wisdom
Whether you're soul-tired from chasing answers or ready to choose a path that honors all of you—this episode is your wake-up call.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
What do a torn ankle, 30 failed healing
methods, and a tech savvy healerhave in common?
Well, they sparked a soul-ledjourney that's quietly
revolutionizing how we heal.
Today, here on From Wounds toWisdom, you'll meet Olenka
Kislik.
She's a woman who turned paininto a purpose-driven platform
connecting people to the healingthey actually need.
(00:24):
If you've ever felt dismissed,disillusioned, or desperate for
answers, this episode is yoursign.
Let's dive in.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
A few years ago, I stepped off a curb and tore my
ankle to shreds.
There was a golf ball sizeswelling within minutes, and I
went to urgent care and you knowthey pulled out a wheelchair
because they were like, thatlooks really bad.
I did everything I was told todo.
I followed all the doctor'sorders and I kept on reinjuring
myself for seven months everyfew weeks, and nobody had an
(00:56):
explanation for why.
And at some point I was like,you know what?
I'm gonna take this on.
I'm gonna figure out what'sgoing on.
My background is in the videogame space and aerospace
industry, bringing like ideas tolife.
It blows my mind that we canbook a rental for a vacation
home on the other side of theworld with really specific,
like, I want this size bed, Iwant dishwasher, I want a crib,
(01:20):
etc.
But you can't do anything likethat for your health.
It doesn't exist.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
Let's dive in.
Today I'm from Wounds to Wisdom.
We're joined by Alenka Kislik,recovering people pleaser, tech
innovator, and health advocate.
After years of battling with herown health issues and struggling
to find answers, Alenka used herbackground in software to create
a platform that connects peoplewith holistic experts who align
with their values.
(02:05):
Her mission?
To help others take back controlof their health and their
healing journey.
Welcome.
Thank you so much for having me.
Excited to have you here becauseum, when we spoke before, I
thought it was very inad, likeyou know, like very cool for
people to be able to go onto oneplatform to find what they're
looking for versus just kind oflike hoping for reperferrals
(02:26):
from you know somebody else ormaybe an allopathic doctor that
like doesn't, you know, believein maybe holistic health or
whatever the case may be.
So I'd love to hear about whatgot you to go down this path.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
Yeah.
So um I feel like the more youstart to heal and unlearn, the
more you realize that, you know,it was there all along.
You just had no idea.
Um, I think what really startedthis whole process was uh a few
years ago, I stepped off a curband tore my ankle to shreds.
There was a golf ball sizedswelling within minutes, and I
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went to urgent care and youknow, they pulled out a
wheelchair because they werelike, that looks really bad.
And I was like, Yeah, you know,female pain tolerance, it's it's
bad, but like I'm walking.
Long story short, uh initiallythey said, Oh, it's fine.
If it's not painful, continue.
I went to orthopedic surgeon, Ipushed for an MRI.
It came back, they said don'tput any wait on it for three
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months.
And I was like, that that's uhthat's a very different, you
know, treatment plan than like,oh, you're okay, kind of thing.
I did everything I was told todo.
I followed all the doctor'sorders and I kept on re-injuring
myself for seven months everyfew weeks.
I would kept on re-tearing andnobody had an explanation for
(03:44):
why.
And at some point I was like,you know what?
I'm I'm gonna take this on.
I'm gonna figure out what'sgoing on.
So I tried at one point I wroteit down, it was over 30
different types of modalitiesand treatments to try to figure
out what what's going on, what'sworking.
I mean, I'm lucky enough.
Um, I have a bit of a backgroundum in terms of I just like
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learning about the human body.
Um, so I could go in and readPubMed articles and and academic
articles about um differentthings.
And I I started to understandthat there's there's more
connection to pieces that Ididn't think were connected than
I realized in combination withjust holistic and alternative
providers who are like, oh, didyou think about this or that?
Like, I don't know, maybe youdon't pay attention when you
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walk, and that's why you'reprone to hurting yourself.
Right.
You're headed to the clouds allthe time.
Uh so yeah, it was just likeyears of basically being
terrified to take a step andhaving to learn to advocate for
myself.
And I was like, it's it blows mymind that we can book a rental
for a vacation home on the otherside of the world with really
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specific, like, I want this sizebed, I want dishwasher, I want a
crib, etc.
But you can't do anything likethat for your health.
It doesn't exist.
And I was like, I cannot believethat that's not the case.
So that's how I ended upbuilding it myself.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
Did you so are you like a software background or an
AI person or a computer?
Like, what was your background?
Because like, you know, I likeI'm not building that.
SPEAKER_02 (05:10):
Yeah, yeah.
And no, trust me, it's it's noteasy, even if you know what you
need.
Um, my background uh is in thevideo game space and aerospace
industry, bringing like ideas tolife from like concept all the
way through.
And I work with teams who do thedevelopment, but I work on like,
hey, like, oh, this is a coolthing today.
Well, like, what does that mean?
How do you actually build that?
(05:31):
Right.
Um, and then I iterate, uh, Ifeel like I'm in an interview,
um, like a job interview.
But yeah, like I'll then takelike an idea or concepts and I
um work with whoever needswhoever is involved, whether
it's a client or an end user,and and I make it come to life
in a way that it makes sense andis useful.
SPEAKER_00 (05:49):
That seemed like a lot for my brain.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
It's a lot for anyone's brain.
Like I spent three hours todaydoing like a um flow chart of
like just how do uh likesimplified login flows work.
Like it's it's something that'snot that interesting, but like
you understand it from like auser perspective, right?
That like, yeah, if I can use myfingerprint to sign into my
banking app, for example,instead of having to, you know,
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people it's just there's a lotof stuff that happens in the
background that I enjoy doingthat stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
So yeah, that's fun.
So um one thing I enjoyedhearing about was that on your
journey you did cool stuff likeI like like energy healing,
yeah, Reiki and like you know,acupuncture and like all of
those different things that sayit's becoming more popular, but
most people don't go down thatpath, right?
They kind of just go with whattheir doctor says, they suck it
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up, they take pain medication,they cover the pain.
Um, so how did you getintroduced to all of the the
non-traditional um, you know,Western stuff and and and go
into more like an Easternmedicine or more like a holistic
health?
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
I think at some point, and if you've never been
in this position, I'm so happyfor you.
When you're desperate, you tryanything, you know.
Um, I live in Los Angeles.
I had access to a few things,but I it really started to kind
of go down a rabbit hole when Iwould talk to people about like,
I don't know why this isn'tworking.
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And they're like, Well, youcould try.
I have this friend, she does uhthis type of healing.
I have this friend who does likerofing, was another one, which
is more fascia and soft tissue.
Uh, I have another friend whodoes body work.
When I first started going tohim, he I understood about like
30% of what he was saying.
And now I feel like I'munderstanding maybe 50%.
Like I've started to, it's justthe language is very um, these
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are concepts when you're notexposed to it.
It's really hard to wrap yourbrain around.
But yeah, I tried.
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
It was like you talking three minutes ago.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
And for most, they were like, yeah, when you start
getting exposed to it, you'relike, oh, this makes sense.
For some people talking aboutlike emotional regulation and
healing, those words meannothing until you start to dive
into it.
And I feel a lot of theseEastern practices, it's really
hard to wrap your brain aroundcertain like the channels in my
body, and I can now feel when Iget certain types of um
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acupuncture done.
I'm like, oh, I feel it in likethe end of the channel in the
top of my head and the bottom ofmy foot or in my hand, and
people are like, that's wild.
I'm like, yeah.
And during my period, I feel thepoints even like it's just it's
like these wild, wild thingsthat I never thought.
But once you start to see it,you can't unsee it.
And once it starts to like helpand benefit, it's just the like
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most powerful thing ever.
SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
So we'll go into like your um your, I don't know
if it's an app or website, we'lltalk about that.
But um, what did you find workedor was it a combination of
things that worked best for youin that situation?
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
Nutrition was huge.
One of my friends kept tellingme, and I had like the hardest
time and still do.
Uh, learning to be present wasanother big one.
And learning to let go and nottrying to control all of
everything, I think was reallybig.
I think, and related to that,understanding how my mental and
physical health are intertwined.
(08:59):
Um, that touches, I think, a lotof different modalities, right?
Um, and a lot of different typesof hair.
Um, but those that really made adifference where I like now I'm
more likely to injure myself ifI'm tired, yeah, stressed, and
I'm not paying attention tothat.
Like that makes a hugedifference.
But before I would be like, I'mfine, I'll I'll just push
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through.
But like I've now learned thatthat's not it's not worth it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
Who would think that an injured ankle would then
create this whole thing, right?
Like, first of all, I'm suremany of people injured an ankle
and didn't go down this path,right?
So they just the right personinjured her ankle and then it
came down this path.
So give us like, how does thiswork?
Was it an app?
Is it a website?
What do I do?
I have some emotional issuethat's causing me to have
gastric issues.
(09:46):
Like, where do I go?
What do I do?
SPEAKER_02 (09:48):
Yeah, that's another one.
That's a fun one when yourealize that you're stressed in
your digestive system, or yeah,there's it's wild.
So basically, what we've done umwith the team that I've worked
with is I defined um, we allknow what an algorithm is in
terms of our social media feeds,right?
You watch a few cat videos, youget more cat videos.
You watch a video about homedecor, you get more home decor.
(10:09):
So that like if we take thatwith a lot more complexity, um,
then we have what I'm buildingright now.
Um, and so basically, um, thematchmaking is life.
Anyone can go in and you cantest and see, you can basically
put in, it's a questionnaire, ittakes about two minutes.
Um, it's things like yoursymptoms.
This is pretty standard.
Um, what is not standard iswhere are you at in your healing
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journey.
So are you in a place um whereyou just need relief?
Are you ready to make changes?
You need someone to um help youand like hold your hand through
the changes.
Are you looking for guidanceversus I can do this on my own?
Those are all very differentsteps and very different
modalities.
I jokingly call it a woo-woosliding scale.
(10:53):
But like, where are you?
What are you comfortable with,right?
Like, are you like, I'm coolwith like DNA testing and
functional medicine, which isvery different than like breath
work and Reiki.
There's a lot of stuff that fallin the middle.
Um, where are you in terms of uhyour shared lived experiences
with your provider?
Sometimes this is superrelevant, right?
Like if you're a mother and whatyou're going through is related
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to you being a mother, you wantto talk to someone who is and
who gets that, right?
Same thing if you are have abackground in the military, or
if you have a physicaldisability or a chronic injury,
or have had like there's certainexperiences that are really,
these are optional questions.
You don't have to fill them out.
The other things that are alsosuper relevant is what are your,
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in some cases, again, in somecases it doesn't matter, right?
I don't really care what mymassage therapist, as an
example, believes in terms ofpolitics, religion, or
ethnicity.
But if I'm talking to like amental health professional, I do
care, like if they understandlike my experiences, right?
And so that's why we includethose things.
And it it does make a differencein terms.
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The goal is you step into a roomor a Zoom call or whatever with
the provider.
You don't have to justify whyyou're feeling this way.
The person just gets it.
Because unfortunately, that's asuper rare feeling, but it is
the most beautiful thing whenyou have it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:11):
Um, and that that's the goal of this platform is and
there's nobody else who doesthat because if I go on my you
know, blue Anthem Blue Crosswebsite, they're not asking me
any of this stuff.
They're just saying thesedoctors are taking patients,
these ones aren't.
You're gonna pay 80% here,you're gonna pay 20% there,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But nobody you really like, evenI've looked up doctors on like
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Google just to kind of get likean idea of them, and there's
literally nothing.
Like, you have no, like, there'sa couple reviews, some people
hate them, some people lovethem, like, but there's never
never anything specific.
So that's like neat.
How do practitioners get matchedto like people?
Like, are do you have likepeople who are enrolling?
How do you, if so, like how doyou screen them and make sure
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they're not cray cray?
Uh I'm specifically referring tothe uh woo-woo world there.
I mean, there's also cray cray,you know, western medicine,
allopathic medicine, but the thewoo-woo world we can I'm which
I'm in, uh we can come acrosssome some really interesting
folks.
SPEAKER_02 (13:11):
I think well, and then there's folks who just are
so in it that they um they can'tkeep a calendar.
Very normal in that world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Which, like, you know, um, goodfor you for being so present,
you forget about the rest of theworld.
But like we do a few things.
So we have like anyone can applyto be a provider on the platform
that um takes about 10 minutes.
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It can take longer, depending onif you can copy and paste, you
know, your bio, for example,right?
If you've already done itsomewhere else.
Um, right now, the way the freematchmaker, which exists right
now, and we're building out themore comprehensive experience,
um, everyone's listed on there.
With the full version, we'regoing to have um a peer review
committee.
So other um providers are goingto review providers as they come
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on the platform because it'simportant that we have that.
I'm not a holistic expert andI'm not like, you know, and like
if you you want someone whounderstands your version of
whatever you do, um, right?
Like someone who does Pilates isnot gonna be a good uh validator
of someone who does Reiki, forexample, right?
So you need to have like adiverse um committee to be able
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to do that validation.
Um, and then we we have on,we're gonna have ongoing reviews
and feedback both ways, right?
Because if you have a clientthat you're like, this person, I
don't think is a good fit forthis platform, right?
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:30):
For whatever reason, um then I get those reviews the
same way you do for like yourUbers and Airbnbs and whatever,
you get feedback both ways.
Um, and then we monitor and haveways to be aware of what's going
on.
Um, because it's important forme.
Uh, think the integrity of thepeople we have on the platform
is like the highest and mostimportant thing.
You want to be able to go thereand trust that you're gonna find
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good people.
Um, and so yeah, we're buildinga whole system around that to
make sure that that is the case.
SPEAKER_00 (14:58):
So uh does the user pay for access to these people?
SPEAKER_02 (15:01):
How does that work?
Basically, what we've built isthe provider set their pricing
and there is a percentage uh feethat's um given to the platform,
right?
So we're modeling right now at18%, 2% of the total goes
towards a fund that um is forpeople who wouldn't otherwise be
able to afford services.
Um, so we have a nonprofit armas well, and that's there's a
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lot of reasons for that.
And one of the biggest ones isproviders tend to discount their
services for people who can'tafford, and you know, providers
need to be able to have aquality of life.
There's there's a whole, Ibelieve very strongly in
supporting the providers becausewe take care of the people who
take care of us, that they canshow up for themselves in the
world much better.
SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
Um in the holistic world, they almost always
discount themselves.
I've seen that my entire careerin our in our world.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They don't know their worth.
They'll always go, okay, don'tworry about it.
You can just pay me XYZ.
And because people don'toftentimes respect that, I in my
opinion, they're they wouldnegotiate with somebody like
that versus trying to negotiatewith an MD, right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:00):
Well, believe it or not, insurance companies
negotiate with MDs all the time.
I know, but they're crazy.
We're not going to go down thatroute.
I know they're crazy.
I'm I'm just saying, like, theyknow that they can question
that.
We as like individuals don'tunderstand that.
And I'm not I'm not sayingthat's the right way to go.
I actually don't acceptinsurance across the platform at
all because it's That's what wasmy next question.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
So if that doctor accepts insurance, can they use
it?
Or they everybody has to justpay for the service.
There's no insurance at all.
SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
Right now, what we're doing is there's no
insurance.
The reason for that is the wayinsurance is structured.
It doesn't allow the provider toactually give you the time of
day that it takes to get thecare that it required to like
get better.
We'll provide super bills, youcan submit it to your insurance,
right?
These are all things that likeif you have an insurance carrier
who will cover it, that'swonderful.
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But um, I've heard things fromtherapists, for example, where
they get through some otherplatforms kind of that do these
online booking systems, they getpaid about$70 an hour.
Blue Cross, they get$125, andprivate pay, they do$175 plus.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
These are huge discrepancies.
And like if you're doing a fullday of clients at$75 an hour,
that's not okay compared to likeyou can do maybe two-thirds of
that, 75% of that, uh, thosehigher rates, you're gonna be
there for your clients in a muchbetter way, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
Right.
Because you're not exhausted andyou haven't, it's not like a
constant, you know, turn andburn, turn and burn, turn and
burn.
Because you can't, I mean, ifyou're you're seeing eight
patients a day, you're not gonnaremember their story the next
time you see them because you'regonna be seeing, you know, what
is that, 40 patients a week.
unknown (17:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
For and like that's not let alone like you have to
chart, right?
There's a lot of like work thatgoes on outside of a session,
and you need to take a break,like if you've just heard a
horrible traumatic story, it'sgonna have an impact on you.
You need some time to take careof yourself before you show up
for the next patient, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:47):
So what a novel concept.
What if uh uh hospitals actuallydid that, right?
Their quality of care would justimprove so much.
I used to work in an emergencyroom and we worked 12-hour
shifts.
You almost never really actuallygot a break or actually got a
lunch.
You ate while you worked, andyou know, we were we were not
our best, right?
We're not gonna be our best whenyou're working those, and it was
always like 12 hours, and thenyou go back home for eight hours
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and you go back for 12 hours,like you're just exhausted.
You can't be your best.
SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
No, you can't be your best, and we know what it
feels like when someone is attheir best and taking care of
us.
Like, that's why a lot inAmerican healthcare, like I'm
originally from Canada.
Um, so American healthcare to meis just wild.
Like there's some people whoare, you know, they're they're
working under a regular medicallicense, but their everything is
out of pocket.
Like, and you're talking likehundreds of dollars an hour, and
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they provide really amazing carebecause they can.
Like, I like I did the math witha friend of mine uh years ago,
and she's a psychiatrist inCanada, and she's like, I make
more in Canada than I do in theStates.
She's like, I I would be gettingpaid$70 a session as a
psychiatrist with a PhD.
It's just wild.
SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
It is wild.
Yeah, no, I agree.
It's a it's it's definitelysomething that needs to be
worked on.
And and the sad thing is, in myopinion, is that I love your
concept and your idea.
And also it seems like onlypeople who can afford care get
good care.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
Yeah, it really um, it really breaks my heart,
honestly, that that like thatshouldn't be the case.
Uh part of what we're doing iswe're offering this as a benefit
for employers to offer theiremployees because then it makes
it more accessible for theaverage person.
I see a world where, and I'vedone the math of this, um, we
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provide hundreds of freeappointments a month for people.
Once things are at a verydifferent place, it means it
makes it more accessible.
I don't, I'm not saying it's asaccessible as it should be.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
Right, you can't fix all the world problems, but you
can make a you can make a youknow a drop in the ocean and and
try your best.
SPEAKER_01 (19:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Yeah.
Interesting.
So what else would you tell usabout like your history behind
this?
Or I feel like there's a lotthat went into this that, you
know, we don't necessarily know.
I know you twisted your ankle,but there's all these other
people who are coming togetherwith you, right?
Like my guess is you didn'tbuild this on your own, that
there's other people who hadstories that wanted to come in
and make this work too.
SPEAKER_02 (20:07):
Yeah.
I have found that most of theproviders that I have on my
platform are they have gonethrough something, and the
modality that helps them is theone that they are now sharing
with the rest of the world.
And that's what they then trainthemselves up for to help other
people with.
And how I'm building this iswith a lot of intention.
There's a lot of different waysto start a company.
People are like, why don't youjust do a nonprofit?
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I'm like, well, I want to beable to fund research and do
things that you can't do, likewith the limitations of a
nonprofit, you can't do.
I want to be able to say, hey,you know, we have X thousands of
acupuncturists, let's say, forthe um argument's sake, uh, on
the platform, they're seeingthis common form of treatment.
Let's put together academicresearch with top-tier
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universities on how effectivethis is.
Because people, a lot of thereason a lot of people say, oh,
that that woo-woo thing or thatalternative thing, they they
say, like, well, there's nostudies.
I'm like, yeah, well, who'sfunding that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Right, exactly.
Yeah, you got the pharmaceuticalcompanies and all that stuff
funding that thing.
They don't want you to getoptions.
SPEAKER_02 (21:07):
Yeah.
So I'm like, this this allows usto do that.
And that for me is one of thosethings that it's not that far
off to be able to build it oncewe get to a point.
I think for me, um, it's justfinding a way to build this that
supports the providers thatmakes everyone's life easier on
both sides.
So, what is the from like asystems and a software?
We all have been on websitesthat are really like hard to
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use, and we've been on ones thatare easy to use.
Like for me, that's my expertisethat I put into it is like how
do we make this as simple touse?
We make sure it's safe andsecure in terms of data and
privacy and you know, followingall of the standards and then
going above and beyond.
Cause believe it or not, the USstandards are pretty chill
compared to the rest of theworld.
SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
Yeah, well, no, I believe it.
SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
Yes, I absolutely believe that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:54):
Yeah.
So, like for me, it's likegetting providers, and I have
providers on the platform fromall over the world.
You can, like for a lot of thesethings, things aren't regulated,
which has its pros and cons.
But on the pro side, you canfind someone um in Australia, in
the UK, who does the same typeof treatment as someone in the
US, and you'll get them for likea highly discounted rate just
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because of the way currencies,et cetera, work, right?
In Canada, the Canadian dollarright now is is fluctuating, but
it's between like 60 and 75cents to the American dollar.
And so that's an automatic 25 to40% discount on your services,
right?
And so that's where we're like,how can we kind of give people
more access to more care at amore affordable rate, even
though, you know, obviouslytherapy has more regulations.
(22:36):
So we keep that in mind.
It's just how do I build thosesystems so you don't even have
to think about that?
You just show up and you'relike, oh my gosh, there's a
person who understands me.
Like that, that is, that is thegoal of a lot of the back end
and the background.
I think from a businessperspective, I have done a lot
of research on um what it takesto bring a company to life and
how you can do that from likeventure capital to other forms
(22:58):
of raising money.
I have found for me, I don'twant to do something that would
sacrifice the integrity of whatwe're building for the sake of,
you know, getting money.
Getting money.
And so that I think is thehardest challenge.
Um, because yeah, it would beeasier.
I have a friend who's like, Ican introduce you to someone
who'll give you two milliondollars.
I'm like, that would be great.
(23:18):
But I'm also like at what cost,right?
Um, and so I think that's a areally interesting problem to
solve for.
Um, I know it's probably you'renot your audience, but for me,
it's something I think about allthe time is probably you never
know, right?
SPEAKER_00 (23:31):
Somebody could be listening, they're like, that's
really cool.
And I like, you know, haveinterest in funding that, or I
know somebody or whatever.
You know, I mean, it's alwaysgood to put it out there.
SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
Yeah.
So it's just just like I I wantto work with people, advisors,
potential funders who whounderstand the problem we're
trying to solve for and reallyget that this why it matters.
But there's a couple ofproviders where I was like, I
get that you want money, butyou'll do it at any cost.
And those aren't the types ofproviders I want on the
platform, right?
So um, so it's just like it,it's it's in many places, and
(24:01):
it's learning to be more in tunewith myself and my beliefs and
what feels right.
And that has been a whole otherjourney if you didn't.
SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
Right.
I was gonna say, I would imaginelike again, it goes back to you
hurt yourself and you went to atraditional, you know, doctors
and and all that stuff, and thenyou go on this journey of this
this other world, right?
This this woo-woo holistic worldand stuff.
You're not just healing yourankle.
No, no, you just become a wholedifferent, like, you know, ball
(24:29):
of wax there.
SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
Like, it's just it is, yeah.
Yeah, wild.
I had a friend text me lastnight and he was like, Like, how
are you doing?
He's like, I feel like I've justuncovered so much more I need to
like grow and learn from.
I'm like, Yeah, welcome to beingalive.
It's one of those beautifulthings.
SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
Kind of makes it feel like uh it this is, you
know, maybe out there for somepeople, but probably not my
listeners.
But it feels like almost like anevolution of consciousness.
SPEAKER_02 (24:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
Interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (24:54):
I think it's a really it's beautiful when you
can embrace it.
When you fight it, that's whenit becomes really difficult and
infuriating.
When you can embrace, like, youknow what, this is not how I
thought this was gonna go.
And that's okay.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Yeah, that's okay.
How do people um find yourplatform?
SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
Uh the website is saha collective.com.
So that's sa-hacollective.com.
Okay.
Then you can message me on uhInstagram, YouTube, uh,
Facebook, uh, or you can messageme on LinkedIn and we have a
page there as well.
It's just me.
Just responding to all of that.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Yeah.
That sounds like you're a busylady.
We well, I love what you'redoing.
I'm sure lots of people willlove what you're doing.
Through your journey, what issome wisdom you can offer
people?
SPEAKER_02 (25:36):
I think one of the biggest things that has come up
for me is is your missionstronger than your fear?
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
And that it's come up over and over again, like
whatever the thing is I'm afraidof.
Is that stronger?
Am I afraid of it more than I'mI'm believing it?
And usually like black and whiteanswer.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
Right.
That's a big one.
I mean, they can ask themselvesthat for anything, right?
For the most part.
Yeah, I love that.
Well, we appreciate you.
I will put your um website andyour information in the
description.
Do not get mad at me if peopleum message you on LinkedIn and
you're like, got more crap todo.
Like, it's not my problem.
Hopefully, that's a problem,right?
(26:14):
Like, hopefully, there's so manypeople looking at the podcast
and you get so many peoplereaching out to you.
But maybe somebody will be ableto help you with the um the
raising of funds because that Iknow that it's hard to make
things like this happen withoutthe money.
SPEAKER_02 (26:26):
There's ways to get around it, but it takes a long
time.
What are you willing to do?
And I'm willing to do a lot.
Yeah, yeah.
I love that.
Thank you for your work.
Yeah, no, thank you so much forhaving me.
I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
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What do a torn ankle, 30 failed healing
methods, and a tech savvy healerhave in common?
Well, they sparked a soul-ledjourney that's quietly
revolutionizing how we heal.
Today, here on From Wounds toWisdom, you'll meet Olenka
Kislik.
She's a woman who turned paininto a purpose-driven platform
connecting people to the healingthey actually need.
(00:24):
If you've ever felt dismissed,disillusioned, or desperate for
answers, this episode is yoursign.
Let's dive in.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
A few years ago, I stepped off a curb and tore my
ankle to shreds.
There was a golf ball sizeswelling within minutes, and I
went to urgent care and you knowthey pulled out a wheelchair
because they were like, thatlooks really bad.
I did everything I was told todo.
I followed all the doctor'sorders and I kept on reinjuring
myself for seven months everyfew weeks, and nobody had an
(00:56):
explanation for why.
And at some point I was like,you know what?
I'm gonna take this on.
I'm gonna figure out what'sgoing on.
My background is in the videogame space and aerospace
industry, bringing like ideas tolife.
It blows my mind that we canbook a rental for a vacation
home on the other side of theworld with really specific,
like, I want this size bed, Iwant dishwasher, I want a crib,
(01:20):
etc.
But you can't do anything likethat for your health.
It doesn't exist.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
Let's dive in.
Today I'm from Wounds to Wisdom.
We're joined by Alenka Kislik,recovering people pleaser, tech
innovator, and health advocate.
After years of battling with herown health issues and struggling
to find answers, Alenka used herbackground in software to create
a platform that connects peoplewith holistic experts who align
with their values.
(02:05):
Her mission?
To help others take back controlof their health and their
healing journey.
Welcome.
Thank you so much for having me.
Excited to have you here becauseum, when we spoke before, I
thought it was very inad, likeyou know, like very cool for
people to be able to go onto oneplatform to find what they're
looking for versus just kind oflike hoping for reperferrals
(02:26):
from you know somebody else ormaybe an allopathic doctor that
like doesn't, you know, believein maybe holistic health or
whatever the case may be.
So I'd love to hear about whatgot you to go down this path.
SPEAKER_02 (02:39):
Yeah.
So um I feel like the more youstart to heal and unlearn, the
more you realize that, you know,it was there all along.
You just had no idea.
Um, I think what really startedthis whole process was uh a few
years ago, I stepped off a curband tore my ankle to shreds.
There was a golf ball sizedswelling within minutes, and I
(03:01):
went to urgent care and youknow, they pulled out a
wheelchair because they werelike, that looks really bad.
And I was like, Yeah, you know,female pain tolerance, it's it's
bad, but like I'm walking.
Long story short, uh initiallythey said, Oh, it's fine.
If it's not painful, continue.
I went to orthopedic surgeon, Ipushed for an MRI.
It came back, they said don'tput any wait on it for three
(03:22):
months.
And I was like, that that's uhthat's a very different, you
know, treatment plan than like,oh, you're okay, kind of thing.
I did everything I was told todo.
I followed all the doctor'sorders and I kept on re-injuring
myself for seven months everyfew weeks.
I would kept on re-tearing andnobody had an explanation for
(03:44):
why.
And at some point I was like,you know what?
I'm I'm gonna take this on.
I'm gonna figure out what'sgoing on.
So I tried at one point I wroteit down, it was over 30
different types of modalitiesand treatments to try to figure
out what what's going on, what'sworking.
I mean, I'm lucky enough.
Um, I have a bit of a backgroundum in terms of I just like
(04:05):
learning about the human body.
Um, so I could go in and readPubMed articles and and academic
articles about um differentthings.
And I I started to understandthat there's there's more
connection to pieces that Ididn't think were connected than
I realized in combination withjust holistic and alternative
providers who are like, oh, didyou think about this or that?
Like, I don't know, maybe youdon't pay attention when you
(04:26):
walk, and that's why you'reprone to hurting yourself.
Right.
You're headed to the clouds allthe time.
Uh so yeah, it was just likeyears of basically being
terrified to take a step andhaving to learn to advocate for
myself.
And I was like, it's it blows mymind that we can book a rental
for a vacation home on the otherside of the world with really
(04:47):
specific, like, I want this sizebed, I want dishwasher, I want a
crib, etc.
But you can't do anything likethat for your health.
It doesn't exist.
And I was like, I cannot believethat that's not the case.
So that's how I ended upbuilding it myself.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
Did you so are you like a software background or an
AI person or a computer?
Like, what was your background?
Because like, you know, I likeI'm not building that.
SPEAKER_02 (05:10):
Yeah, yeah.
And no, trust me, it's it's noteasy, even if you know what you
need.
Um, my background uh is in thevideo game space and aerospace
industry, bringing like ideas tolife from like concept all the
way through.
And I work with teams who do thedevelopment, but I work on like,
hey, like, oh, this is a coolthing today.
Well, like, what does that mean?
How do you actually build that?
(05:31):
Right.
Um, and then I iterate, uh, Ifeel like I'm in an interview,
um, like a job interview.
But yeah, like I'll then takelike an idea or concepts and I
um work with whoever needswhoever is involved, whether
it's a client or an end user,and and I make it come to life
in a way that it makes sense andis useful.
SPEAKER_00 (05:49):
That seemed like a lot for my brain.
SPEAKER_02 (05:52):
It's a lot for anyone's brain.
Like I spent three hours todaydoing like a um flow chart of
like just how do uh likesimplified login flows work.
Like it's it's something that'snot that interesting, but like
you understand it from like auser perspective, right?
That like, yeah, if I can use myfingerprint to sign into my
banking app, for example,instead of having to, you know,
(06:13):
people it's just there's a lotof stuff that happens in the
background that I enjoy doingthat stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
So yeah, that's fun.
So um one thing I enjoyedhearing about was that on your
journey you did cool stuff likeI like like energy healing,
yeah, Reiki and like you know,acupuncture and like all of
those different things that sayit's becoming more popular, but
most people don't go down thatpath, right?
They kind of just go with whattheir doctor says, they suck it
(06:37):
up, they take pain medication,they cover the pain.
Um, so how did you getintroduced to all of the the
non-traditional um, you know,Western stuff and and and go
into more like an Easternmedicine or more like a holistic
health?
SPEAKER_02 (06:51):
I think at some point, and if you've never been
in this position, I'm so happyfor you.
When you're desperate, you tryanything, you know.
Um, I live in Los Angeles.
I had access to a few things,but I it really started to kind
of go down a rabbit hole when Iwould talk to people about like,
I don't know why this isn'tworking.
(07:12):
And they're like, Well, youcould try.
I have this friend, she does uhthis type of healing.
I have this friend who does likerofing, was another one, which
is more fascia and soft tissue.
Uh, I have another friend whodoes body work.
When I first started going tohim, he I understood about like
30% of what he was saying.
And now I feel like I'munderstanding maybe 50%.
Like I've started to, it's justthe language is very um, these
(07:36):
are concepts when you're notexposed to it.
It's really hard to wrap yourbrain around.
But yeah, I tried.
SPEAKER_00 (07:41):
It was like you talking three minutes ago.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (07:43):
And for most, they were like, yeah, when you start
getting exposed to it, you'relike, oh, this makes sense.
For some people talking aboutlike emotional regulation and
healing, those words meannothing until you start to dive
into it.
And I feel a lot of theseEastern practices, it's really
hard to wrap your brain aroundcertain like the channels in my
body, and I can now feel when Iget certain types of um
(08:04):
acupuncture done.
I'm like, oh, I feel it in likethe end of the channel in the
top of my head and the bottom ofmy foot or in my hand, and
people are like, that's wild.
I'm like, yeah.
And during my period, I feel thepoints even like it's just it's
like these wild, wild thingsthat I never thought.
But once you start to see it,you can't unsee it.
And once it starts to like helpand benefit, it's just the like
(08:25):
most powerful thing ever.
SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
So we'll go into like your um your, I don't know
if it's an app or website, we'lltalk about that.
But um, what did you find workedor was it a combination of
things that worked best for youin that situation?
SPEAKER_02 (08:39):
Nutrition was huge.
One of my friends kept tellingme, and I had like the hardest
time and still do.
Uh, learning to be present wasanother big one.
And learning to let go and nottrying to control all of
everything, I think was reallybig.
I think, and related to that,understanding how my mental and
physical health are intertwined.
(08:59):
Um, that touches, I think, a lotof different modalities, right?
Um, and a lot of different typesof hair.
Um, but those that really made adifference where I like now I'm
more likely to injure myself ifI'm tired, yeah, stressed, and
I'm not paying attention tothat.
Like that makes a hugedifference.
But before I would be like, I'mfine, I'll I'll just push
(09:22):
through.
But like I've now learned thatthat's not it's not worth it.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
Who would think that an injured ankle would then
create this whole thing, right?
Like, first of all, I'm suremany of people injured an ankle
and didn't go down this path,right?
So they just the right personinjured her ankle and then it
came down this path.
So give us like, how does thiswork?
Was it an app?
Is it a website?
What do I do?
I have some emotional issuethat's causing me to have
gastric issues.
(09:46):
Like, where do I go?
What do I do?
SPEAKER_02 (09:48):
Yeah, that's another one.
That's a fun one when yourealize that you're stressed in
your digestive system, or yeah,there's it's wild.
So basically, what we've done umwith the team that I've worked
with is I defined um, we allknow what an algorithm is in
terms of our social media feeds,right?
You watch a few cat videos, youget more cat videos.
You watch a video about homedecor, you get more home decor.
(10:09):
So that like if we take thatwith a lot more complexity, um,
then we have what I'm buildingright now.
Um, and so basically, um, thematchmaking is life.
Anyone can go in and you cantest and see, you can basically
put in, it's a questionnaire, ittakes about two minutes.
Um, it's things like yoursymptoms.
This is pretty standard.
Um, what is not standard iswhere are you at in your healing
(10:32):
journey.
So are you in a place um whereyou just need relief?
Are you ready to make changes?
You need someone to um help youand like hold your hand through
the changes.
Are you looking for guidanceversus I can do this on my own?
Those are all very differentsteps and very different
modalities.
I jokingly call it a woo-woosliding scale.
(10:53):
But like, where are you?
What are you comfortable with,right?
Like, are you like, I'm coolwith like DNA testing and
functional medicine, which isvery different than like breath
work and Reiki.
There's a lot of stuff that fallin the middle.
Um, where are you in terms of uhyour shared lived experiences
with your provider?
Sometimes this is superrelevant, right?
Like if you're a mother and whatyou're going through is related
(11:14):
to you being a mother, you wantto talk to someone who is and
who gets that, right?
Same thing if you are have abackground in the military, or
if you have a physicaldisability or a chronic injury,
or have had like there's certainexperiences that are really,
these are optional questions.
You don't have to fill them out.
The other things that are alsosuper relevant is what are your,
(11:35):
in some cases, again, in somecases it doesn't matter, right?
I don't really care what mymassage therapist, as an
example, believes in terms ofpolitics, religion, or
ethnicity.
But if I'm talking to like amental health professional, I do
care, like if they understandlike my experiences, right?
And so that's why we includethose things.
And it it does make a differencein terms.
(11:56):
The goal is you step into a roomor a Zoom call or whatever with
the provider.
You don't have to justify whyyou're feeling this way.
The person just gets it.
Because unfortunately, that's asuper rare feeling, but it is
the most beautiful thing whenyou have it.
SPEAKER_00 (12:11):
Um, and that that's the goal of this platform is and
there's nobody else who doesthat because if I go on my you
know, blue Anthem Blue Crosswebsite, they're not asking me
any of this stuff.
They're just saying thesedoctors are taking patients,
these ones aren't.
You're gonna pay 80% here,you're gonna pay 20% there,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But nobody you really like, evenI've looked up doctors on like
(12:32):
Google just to kind of get likean idea of them, and there's
literally nothing.
Like, you have no, like, there'sa couple reviews, some people
hate them, some people lovethem, like, but there's never
never anything specific.
So that's like neat.
How do practitioners get matchedto like people?
Like, are do you have likepeople who are enrolling?
How do you, if so, like how doyou screen them and make sure
(12:52):
they're not cray cray?
Uh I'm specifically referring tothe uh woo-woo world there.
I mean, there's also cray cray,you know, western medicine,
allopathic medicine, but the thewoo-woo world we can I'm which
I'm in, uh we can come acrosssome some really interesting
folks.
SPEAKER_02 (13:11):
I think well, and then there's folks who just are
so in it that they um they can'tkeep a calendar.
Very normal in that world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Which, like, you know, um, goodfor you for being so present,
you forget about the rest of theworld.
But like we do a few things.
So we have like anyone can applyto be a provider on the platform
that um takes about 10 minutes.
(13:33):
It can take longer, depending onif you can copy and paste, you
know, your bio, for example,right?
If you've already done itsomewhere else.
Um, right now, the way the freematchmaker, which exists right
now, and we're building out themore comprehensive experience,
um, everyone's listed on there.
With the full version, we'regoing to have um a peer review
committee.
So other um providers are goingto review providers as they come
(13:57):
on the platform because it'simportant that we have that.
I'm not a holistic expert andI'm not like, you know, and like
if you you want someone whounderstands your version of
whatever you do, um, right?
Like someone who does Pilates isnot gonna be a good uh validator
of someone who does Reiki, forexample, right?
So you need to have like adiverse um committee to be able
(14:19):
to do that validation.
Um, and then we we have on,we're gonna have ongoing reviews
and feedback both ways, right?
Because if you have a clientthat you're like, this person, I
don't think is a good fit forthis platform, right?
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (14:30):
For whatever reason, um then I get those reviews the
same way you do for like yourUbers and Airbnbs and whatever,
you get feedback both ways.
Um, and then we monitor and haveways to be aware of what's going
on.
Um, because it's important forme.
Uh, think the integrity of thepeople we have on the platform
is like the highest and mostimportant thing.
You want to be able to go thereand trust that you're gonna find
(14:52):
good people.
Um, and so yeah, we're buildinga whole system around that to
make sure that that is the case.
SPEAKER_00 (14:58):
So uh does the user pay for access to these people?
SPEAKER_02 (15:01):
How does that work?
Basically, what we've built isthe provider set their pricing
and there is a percentage uh feethat's um given to the platform,
right?
So we're modeling right now at18%, 2% of the total goes
towards a fund that um is forpeople who wouldn't otherwise be
able to afford services.
Um, so we have a nonprofit armas well, and that's there's a
(15:23):
lot of reasons for that.
And one of the biggest ones isproviders tend to discount their
services for people who can'tafford, and you know, providers
need to be able to have aquality of life.
There's there's a whole, Ibelieve very strongly in
supporting the providers becausewe take care of the people who
take care of us, that they canshow up for themselves in the
world much better.
SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
Um in the holistic world, they almost always
discount themselves.
I've seen that my entire careerin our in our world.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They don't know their worth.
They'll always go, okay, don'tworry about it.
You can just pay me XYZ.
And because people don'toftentimes respect that, I in my
opinion, they're they wouldnegotiate with somebody like
that versus trying to negotiatewith an MD, right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:00):
Well, believe it or not, insurance companies
negotiate with MDs all the time.
I know, but they're crazy.
We're not going to go down thatroute.
I know they're crazy.
I'm I'm just saying, like, theyknow that they can question
that.
We as like individuals don'tunderstand that.
And I'm not I'm not sayingthat's the right way to go.
I actually don't acceptinsurance across the platform at
all because it's That's what wasmy next question.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
So if that doctor accepts insurance, can they use
it?
Or they everybody has to justpay for the service.
There's no insurance at all.
SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
Right now, what we're doing is there's no
insurance.
The reason for that is the wayinsurance is structured.
It doesn't allow the provider toactually give you the time of
day that it takes to get thecare that it required to like
get better.
We'll provide super bills, youcan submit it to your insurance,
right?
These are all things that likeif you have an insurance carrier
who will cover it, that'swonderful.
(16:44):
But um, I've heard things fromtherapists, for example, where
they get through some otherplatforms kind of that do these
online booking systems, they getpaid about$70 an hour.
Blue Cross, they get$125, andprivate pay, they do$175 plus.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
These are huge discrepancies.
And like if you're doing a fullday of clients at$75 an hour,
that's not okay compared to likeyou can do maybe two-thirds of
that, 75% of that, uh, thosehigher rates, you're gonna be
there for your clients in a muchbetter way, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
Right.
Because you're not exhausted andyou haven't, it's not like a
constant, you know, turn andburn, turn and burn, turn and
burn.
Because you can't, I mean, ifyou're you're seeing eight
patients a day, you're not gonnaremember their story the next
time you see them because you'regonna be seeing, you know, what
is that, 40 patients a week.
unknown (17:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
For and like that's not let alone like you have to
chart, right?
There's a lot of like work thatgoes on outside of a session,
and you need to take a break,like if you've just heard a
horrible traumatic story, it'sgonna have an impact on you.
You need some time to take careof yourself before you show up
for the next patient, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:47):
So what a novel concept.
What if uh uh hospitals actuallydid that, right?
Their quality of care would justimprove so much.
I used to work in an emergencyroom and we worked 12-hour
shifts.
You almost never really actuallygot a break or actually got a
lunch.
You ate while you worked, andyou know, we were we were not
our best, right?
We're not gonna be our best whenyou're working those, and it was
always like 12 hours, and thenyou go back home for eight hours
(18:09):
and you go back for 12 hours,like you're just exhausted.
You can't be your best.
SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
No, you can't be your best, and we know what it
feels like when someone is attheir best and taking care of
us.
Like, that's why a lot inAmerican healthcare, like I'm
originally from Canada.
Um, so American healthcare to meis just wild.
Like there's some people whoare, you know, they're they're
working under a regular medicallicense, but their everything is
out of pocket.
Like, and you're talking likehundreds of dollars an hour, and
(18:36):
they provide really amazing carebecause they can.
Like, I like I did the math witha friend of mine uh years ago,
and she's a psychiatrist inCanada, and she's like, I make
more in Canada than I do in theStates.
She's like, I I would be gettingpaid$70 a session as a
psychiatrist with a PhD.
It's just wild.
SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
It is wild.
Yeah, no, I agree.
It's a it's it's definitelysomething that needs to be
worked on.
And and the sad thing is, in myopinion, is that I love your
concept and your idea.
And also it seems like onlypeople who can afford care get
good care.
SPEAKER_02 (19:08):
Yeah, it really um, it really breaks my heart,
honestly, that that like thatshouldn't be the case.
Uh part of what we're doing iswe're offering this as a benefit
for employers to offer theiremployees because then it makes
it more accessible for theaverage person.
I see a world where, and I'vedone the math of this, um, we
(19:29):
provide hundreds of freeappointments a month for people.
Once things are at a verydifferent place, it means it
makes it more accessible.
I don't, I'm not saying it's asaccessible as it should be.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:40):
Right, you can't fix all the world problems, but you
can make a you can make a youknow a drop in the ocean and and
try your best.
SPEAKER_01 (19:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Yeah.
Interesting.
So what else would you tell usabout like your history behind
this?
Or I feel like there's a lotthat went into this that, you
know, we don't necessarily know.
I know you twisted your ankle,but there's all these other
people who are coming togetherwith you, right?
Like my guess is you didn'tbuild this on your own, that
there's other people who hadstories that wanted to come in
and make this work too.
SPEAKER_02 (20:07):
Yeah.
I have found that most of theproviders that I have on my
platform are they have gonethrough something, and the
modality that helps them is theone that they are now sharing
with the rest of the world.
And that's what they then trainthemselves up for to help other
people with.
And how I'm building this iswith a lot of intention.
There's a lot of different waysto start a company.
People are like, why don't youjust do a nonprofit?
(20:28):
I'm like, well, I want to beable to fund research and do
things that you can't do, likewith the limitations of a
nonprofit, you can't do.
I want to be able to say, hey,you know, we have X thousands of
acupuncturists, let's say, forthe um argument's sake, uh, on
the platform, they're seeingthis common form of treatment.
Let's put together academicresearch with top-tier
(20:50):
universities on how effectivethis is.
Because people, a lot of thereason a lot of people say, oh,
that that woo-woo thing or thatalternative thing, they they
say, like, well, there's nostudies.
I'm like, yeah, well, who'sfunding that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (21:02):
Right, exactly.
Yeah, you got the pharmaceuticalcompanies and all that stuff
funding that thing.
They don't want you to getoptions.
SPEAKER_02 (21:07):
Yeah.
So I'm like, this this allows usto do that.
And that for me is one of thosethings that it's not that far
off to be able to build it oncewe get to a point.
I think for me, um, it's justfinding a way to build this that
supports the providers thatmakes everyone's life easier on
both sides.
So, what is the from like asystems and a software?
We all have been on websitesthat are really like hard to
(21:29):
use, and we've been on ones thatare easy to use.
Like for me, that's my expertisethat I put into it is like how
do we make this as simple touse?
We make sure it's safe andsecure in terms of data and
privacy and you know, followingall of the standards and then
going above and beyond.
Cause believe it or not, the USstandards are pretty chill
compared to the rest of theworld.
SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
Yeah, well, no, I believe it.
SPEAKER_02 (21:52):
Yes, I absolutely believe that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (21:54):
Yeah.
So, like for me, it's likegetting providers, and I have
providers on the platform fromall over the world.
You can, like for a lot of thesethings, things aren't regulated,
which has its pros and cons.
But on the pro side, you canfind someone um in Australia, in
the UK, who does the same typeof treatment as someone in the
US, and you'll get them for likea highly discounted rate just
(22:14):
because of the way currencies,et cetera, work, right?
In Canada, the Canadian dollarright now is is fluctuating, but
it's between like 60 and 75cents to the American dollar.
And so that's an automatic 25 to40% discount on your services,
right?
And so that's where we're like,how can we kind of give people
more access to more care at amore affordable rate, even
though, you know, obviouslytherapy has more regulations.
(22:36):
So we keep that in mind.
It's just how do I build thosesystems so you don't even have
to think about that?
You just show up and you'relike, oh my gosh, there's a
person who understands me.
Like that, that is, that is thegoal of a lot of the back end
and the background.
I think from a businessperspective, I have done a lot
of research on um what it takesto bring a company to life and
how you can do that from likeventure capital to other forms
(22:58):
of raising money.
I have found for me, I don'twant to do something that would
sacrifice the integrity of whatwe're building for the sake of,
you know, getting money.
Getting money.
And so that I think is thehardest challenge.
Um, because yeah, it would beeasier.
I have a friend who's like, Ican introduce you to someone
who'll give you two milliondollars.
I'm like, that would be great.
(23:18):
But I'm also like at what cost,right?
Um, and so I think that's a areally interesting problem to
solve for.
Um, I know it's probably you'renot your audience, but for me,
it's something I think about allthe time is probably you never
know, right?
SPEAKER_00 (23:31):
Somebody could be listening, they're like, that's
really cool.
And I like, you know, haveinterest in funding that, or I
know somebody or whatever.
You know, I mean, it's alwaysgood to put it out there.
SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
Yeah.
So it's just just like I I wantto work with people, advisors,
potential funders who whounderstand the problem we're
trying to solve for and reallyget that this why it matters.
But there's a couple ofproviders where I was like, I
get that you want money, butyou'll do it at any cost.
And those aren't the types ofproviders I want on the
platform, right?
So um, so it's just like it,it's it's in many places, and
(24:01):
it's learning to be more in tunewith myself and my beliefs and
what feels right.
And that has been a whole otherjourney if you didn't.
SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
Right.
I was gonna say, I would imaginelike again, it goes back to you
hurt yourself and you went to atraditional, you know, doctors
and and all that stuff, and thenyou go on this journey of this
this other world, right?
This this woo-woo holistic worldand stuff.
You're not just healing yourankle.
No, no, you just become a wholedifferent, like, you know, ball
(24:29):
of wax there.
SPEAKER_02 (24:30):
Like, it's just it is, yeah.
Yeah, wild.
I had a friend text me lastnight and he was like, Like, how
are you doing?
He's like, I feel like I've justuncovered so much more I need to
like grow and learn from.
I'm like, Yeah, welcome to beingalive.
It's one of those beautifulthings.
SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
Kind of makes it feel like uh it this is, you
know, maybe out there for somepeople, but probably not my
listeners.
But it feels like almost like anevolution of consciousness.
SPEAKER_02 (24:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
Interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (24:54):
I think it's a really it's beautiful when you
can embrace it.
When you fight it, that's whenit becomes really difficult and
infuriating.
When you can embrace, like, youknow what, this is not how I
thought this was gonna go.
And that's okay.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Yeah, that's okay.
How do people um find yourplatform?
SPEAKER_02 (25:10):
Uh the website is saha collective.com.
So that's sa-hacollective.com.
Okay.
Then you can message me on uhInstagram, YouTube, uh,
Facebook, uh, or you can messageme on LinkedIn and we have a
page there as well.
It's just me.
Just responding to all of that.
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Yeah.
That sounds like you're a busylady.
We well, I love what you'redoing.
I'm sure lots of people willlove what you're doing.
Through your journey, what issome wisdom you can offer
people?
SPEAKER_02 (25:36):
I think one of the biggest things that has come up
for me is is your missionstronger than your fear?
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_02 (25:43):
And that it's come up over and over again, like
whatever the thing is I'm afraidof.
Is that stronger?
Am I afraid of it more than I'mI'm believing it?
And usually like black and whiteanswer.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
Right.
That's a big one.
I mean, they can ask themselvesthat for anything, right?
For the most part.
Yeah, I love that.
Well, we appreciate you.
I will put your um website andyour information in the
description.
Do not get mad at me if peopleum message you on LinkedIn and
you're like, got more crap todo.
Like, it's not my problem.
Hopefully, that's a problem,right?
(26:14):
Like, hopefully, there's so manypeople looking at the podcast
and you get so many peoplereaching out to you.
But maybe somebody will be ableto help you with the um the
raising of funds because that Iknow that it's hard to make
things like this happen withoutthe money.
SPEAKER_02 (26:26):
There's ways to get around it, but it takes a long
time.
What are you willing to do?
And I'm willing to do a lot.
Yeah, yeah.
I love that.
Thank you for your work.
Yeah, no, thank you so much forhaving me.
I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
If this story spoke to you, let's keep the healing
going.
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