March 22, 2024 • 77 mins
This week, I give a brief recap of my life and some rapid topic thoughts on news topics that have come up over the past two weeks. Also, I delve into the first two episodes of Quiet on Set, a documentary shedding light on the mistreatment endured by staff and child actors within Nickelodeon. Streaming on Max, this eye-opening series exposes the horrors of gender inequality, racism, and the blatant child abuse adults did very little about. Buckle up, because as a Millennial who grew up watching shows like All That, The Amanda Show, and Drake and Josh, I have plenty to discuss and a lot unpack and I only got through the first two episodes!
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
What's up?
Gays, thays Straps?
Why would I start a podcastlike that?
I don't know?
You're back to another episodeof Gather them Podcast.
I'm your host, jerome.
We're back for another week,another episode.
I was not here last week,unfortunately, because I was not
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feeling great.
I also don't feel great thisweek, but I'm also in a better
space to record because I'vejust been dealing with a lot of
anxiety and it's been reallyhard, I think, lately just
trying to navigate the worldwith everything that's going on.
So for me it's just been verychallenging to do things that
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are even things that I likedoing.
I'll say that I've been tryingto do things that I even like
doing or being a part of andthings like that, and so it's
been a very rough couple ofweeks.
We are finally out of Piscesseason and to Aries seasons.
I feel like everybody came inhot with Aries season fanning
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into flames.
It's the start of the newastrological new year.
Yeah, so it's been aninteresting one so far.
I'll say that I'm lookingforward to the summer.
It's like weird weather rightnow.
Here in Philly.
The weather is last week waspretty warm, like I was wearing
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a sweater to work, and this weekit is very chilly, so doesn't
feel quite like spring yet, butspring is here.
I am finished my grant writingclass, kind of sort of.
I'm not really finished in thesense of you know, I still have
an assignment to turn in to getmy certificate, but it is
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finished in the sense that Idon't have to attend Wednesday
nights anymore.
Thank goodness, I love learningand I love going to classes and
I love I just love like theschool process, like I love you
know writing papers and you knowall of that stuff.
Even if it is a pain in the assto do.
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I much rather would do thatthan actually work a job.
I'm not going to lie, but it isexhausting when you have to
work a job and go to school.
So you know, and this was onlysix weeks, like this was a six
week class.
So I like 100% respect peoplethat go to school and work Like
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I used to.
I kind of sort of did it withmy internship when I was in my
second year of grad school, butI would say for like this around
this was like my first timeactually doing a class while
full time working, like I wasn'teven like full time working
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then when I was in grad school,so that was.
It could be a lot Just likereally draining when you have to
like deal with a bunch ofpersonalities during the day and
then also having to deal withpersonalities.
You can't do it, just go homeand lay down.
You have to like literally beready, prepare all of that.
But I will say that the nicething about going to school or
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like taking classes as an adultis that nine times out of 10,
you're going to meet people thatare also like really interested
in a thing that you'reinterested in, and that makes it
so much easier to becauseyou're spending your own money
essentially it's not free so youmeet people who are also
interested in learning and theway in which you're interested
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in learning, and so I think thatthat makes it way, way, way
easier to navigate, becauseeveryone's motivated to pass or
to get something out of it.
So I think that that makes abig difference for me.
It makes me a little bit morelike excited to do classes and
to learn and all of that jazz.
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What else?
Oh, I'm going to just keep thiskind of short because I feel
like all of this likeintroduction stuff, because I
have a lot to talk about, likenot you know too much, but you
know in terms of in thebeginning, like not too much to
talk about.
Because I really want to getinto the meat you know the meat
of the show.
I kind of feel weird sayingthat now.
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I should cut that out.
But I really want to talk aboutthe quiet on set documentary
Just at least the first twoepisodes.
I'm going to get into that, butI needed to also talk about
some other things, like rapidnews topics.
One more thing, before I evenget into that is I just want to
say fuck, how expensiveeverything is right now.
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Because I took my car a coupleweeks ago to get an inspection
done.
Like I'm way out of, like theway I was way out of the window
of getting that done and come tofind out they did the
inspection.
Or like well, your battery isbad, go in bed.
It's like not, you know, it'sgoing to die soon.
You need spark plugs, you needto replace the brakes, you need
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new windshield wipers, whichthey did replace.
And then they need or I need toget like brake fluid or
whatever, and I'm just likebasically everything comes to
$2,000.
If I get them to do it and I'mjust like what the entire fuck?
Like I already I just caved andgot insurance again because I
didn't have insurance for like amonth and I just like, because
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I was like, okay, well, I needto get this done in case I need
to go somewhere.
I don't really drive my car ever, like honestly, like I really
want to sell it, but the sellingvalue of it is like I need to
spend, like I need to buy morein order to sell it.
But I really want to sell itbecause I'm just like I don't
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really even drive that much.
I feel like it's an extra bill.
Insurance is ridiculous rightnow, the cost of insurance.
Like I got like the highestdeductible, whatever plan, just
to have minimum payments on thecar, because I'm just like I
don't go anywhere, like Iliterally like it'd be different
if I was driving my car.
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So like the way I was when Iwas going up to New York and,
you know, when I was going tothe job in Bucks County.
But I'm not doing that anymore.
Like my Monday through Fridaysis me taking the bus or walking
to work or walking from work, orI'm just at home at the one the
weekends, nine times out of 10.
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Because my friends, you know,are usually busy, or you know,
if we do hang out, it's not likeI want to be in a position to
drink and drive, or like pop anettle and drive or anything
like that.
So for me it's just like itdoesn't make sense to like have
a car anymore, and it just feelslike it's just.
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This is another expense of like$500 a month, essentially
between car insurance, gas andthe car payment of just like
that could be going to somethingelse, you know.
So that's like reallyfrustrating for me and I don't
know what I'm going to do rightnow.
I'll figure it out, though.
But yes, I wanted to jump intolike some rapid fire news topics
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really quickly, just because,excuse me, just because I and
I'm also sorry, like not toapologize again, but like my
sinuses are fucked up right nowand I got mucus, so I'm so sorry
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, but this would not getrecorded on time if I did not.
You know, go ahead and justrecord, you know.
But anyhow, I just wanted totalk about some rapid news
topics, quick, rapid news.
I might do this like a thing oflike doing a five minute rapid
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news thing in a way in which ithappens on TikTok, but I don't
know like I feel like becausethere's one follower that I have
that I like one follow personthat I follow not a follower,
but a person that I follow thatdoes oh my God, what is her?
I don't even remember where heraccount is off the top of my
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head, but she does craziestthings I've seen on TikTok.
I should like talk about themfor like two minutes, two, three
minutes and it's like reallyinteresting because I get some
of my news that way.
I get some of my the things that, like that, inspire me to talk
about different topics andthings like that, and I feel
like I, you know, mentioned Idon't really want to talk about
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the news as much because thenews is depressing, but there
are things that I really do wantto like highlight or point out,
because a lot of you know myshow is talking about pop
culture and the things that I'mnoticing, the things that are
troubling, the things that aregood, like some of the good
things that are happening in theworld, some of the topics that
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come up that are relationshipbased or dating based or
workplace relationships with,like friends and family, like
things like that that come up inthe news or things that people
are doing to improve theircommunities, and I think that
that's important to talk about.
So I'm going to just kind ofjump into this really quickly
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and then we'll get into the cruxof the show.
Not the, not the meat.
I felt weird saying to me,because I'm like we're going to
be talking about the kid thingwith them, with the Nickelodeon
kids Also.
I feel like I'll just say I'mnot going to go ahead and go.
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I'm going to just say I'm justwe just want to do this.
So, going to the rapid topics,let's start.
I don't know if I'll put atimer on.
Let me put a timer on Hold on.
Wait a minute, hold on.
Oh, I forgot, I was supposed togo to Target.
I just saw that list.
I'm just like girl.
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Another thing Also since there,like I said, there was no
episode last week, I just feellike I need to go ahead and just
do this, and I also should havedid this like before this, you
know, like just to not rambleright here, but this is me in
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real, real time as I talkthrough this, and then I'm going
to put the timer.
Let's say I don't know what, Idon't know, let's start with
like five minutes and then we'llsee what that feels like.
Okay, so I just started, so, allright, a couple of things.
First thing is the TikTok ban.
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So the United States House andSenate I believe both
unanimously voted to ban TikTok,which to me is a slap in the
face to American citizens.
I honestly feel like the factthat they can unanimously agree
on that, but can't unanimouslyagree on what to do about hunger
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, homelessness, inflation,economic hardships that people
are going through right now,student loans, like all of it.
It's just very telling, I think, of where our country is
heading.
You know, I think that we'vebeen out of a democracy a long
time ago.
I think that they've beenpulling the strings the whole
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time and I think that also, withthe way in which the media is
trying to portray thePalestinian genocide, I feel
like that is also verysignificant as well.
And this whole thing of, oh,we're not going to bomb them
during Ramadan, which they arelike doing, like actively, like
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Israel is actively doing thatand the US is aiding in that,
and at the same time, they'relike, oh, we're dropping aid to
Palestine and you know, the aidis like killing people, because
the aid is also like hittingpeople in the heads and it's
expired food and it's just likeit's such a fucking mess.
It's a lot of money just beingwasted.
You know it just is getting tobe very ridiculous at this point
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.
So, ramadan Mubar I think Isaid that right to all the
Muslim listeners.
Again, I don't know how youguys are doing it right now
because the world is so hard,but I get it.
It's the faith and you knowit's what you're called to do.
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I get that.
Also, there was John Cena nudeat the Academy Awards, which was
not a big deal to me.
I mean again like I feel likecertain people can get away with
things like that.
You know I'm not really goingto go into detail too much about
that.
And also I mean not too much onJohn Cena, just because like oh
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no, he's hot, like I don't knowhe's not.
Like to me he's like a harmlesskind of white guy, like he
doesn't seem like, like he justdoes stuff to be funny.
Like to me, like that's what Iget from him, like he hasn't
done to me anything that seemedlike really repulsive or
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anything that's been like reallyjust stand.
That stands out to me in mybrain like outside of his WWE
persona, which was wild and youknow he does still portray.
But I'm like there are a lot of, you know, white people that
are appropriate black culture atthis point and I'm just like I
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don't really have the energy tokeep fighting that fight when
there's so much other stuff thatis like happening in the world.
So, yeah, he's just, I don'tknow, it's just something about
him that doesn't seem like hedoesn't come off that way.
But again, that's just me beinglooking in and just knowing
like what I see, have seen orknow.
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The next thing, really quickly,is just the Nef Campbell is back
on scream seven, which I'm Imean I'm not going to watch but
I guess get your bad girl Donlimit.
Don Lemon lost to show afterone episode.
Elon Musk canceled it, which isjust so telling because Elon
Musk is always like diversity,is burning everything.
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And then you hire someone to doa diverse show and then you
decide to kick them off thatshow.
And then, lastly, kateMiddleton.
We found out that she's hadbeen struggling with cancer and
had to have surgeries done.
I hope that she gets well.
It's very interesting to me.
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The internet, you know, has beenreacting to this in a way in
which she has, I guess,essentially disappeared and
everyone's like, well, where isshe?
We don't know where she's at.
I just I didn't know reallywhat was going on until, like, I
did a little digging because,you know, it just comes up
across my timeline when peopletalk about things like that.
I'm not actively looking intowhat the Royals do, but then
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everyone's like, oh, she'sgetting a BBL and she's doing
this and she's doing it, andit's like you don't know what's
happening in this woman's life.
And I'm going to talk aboutthat a little bit later when I
talk about this Nickelodeonthing.
But like, it's just like,sometimes y'all just got to like
stay out of people's business,but until then, do your change.
That's all I'm gonna say aboutit right now.
But yeah, I did that under fiveminutes as of now, okay.
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So let's move on to the MediaLab titled House of Horrors, and
this is basically just talkingabout the first two.
Like I said in the beginning ofthe show, the first two
episodes of the Quiet Onsetdocumentary that is on Max right
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now through, I think it is Idid ID discovery, investigative.
I said ID discovery, I mean IDchannel, but investigative
discovery is the name of the IDchannel, and so I broke things
into at least like three maintopics, because I Feel like
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these areas stuck out to me whenI was watching the first two
episodes like things that likeoverarching things or type
topics, I will say like thatoverarching topics that were
that stood out just in terms ofputting them in a category of
social impact or Some kind oflike social issue that is
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High-lit in the first twoepisodes.
I just want to say too that,like I don't know how everyone
like Bench this, because as amillennial growing up watching
this, it just it was.
So it was a lot.
There were sketches I doremember that they played, that
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were, and now that I'm an adultI'm like, yeah, this is fucked
up.
Like why would you do that?
Like why would you have a childdo that?
A lot of the shows I watchedwere they talked about all that.
They talked about the Amandashow, they talked about Double
dare.
They talked about On air dare,which was one I didn't watch.
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I don't know why I didn't watchthat one.
Again, I didn't have cable allthe time, so a lot of what I was
watching was like Fox kids orWb kids, what was that channel
like?
17 and Philly, what else?
Pbs Dates like I was watchingJerry Springer, mari, like shit.
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I wasn't supposed to bewatching, because we've always
had cable like, and whenever Iwould go to my grandma's house,
like that's when I would get towatch the shows I wanted to
watch.
Or If we did get like some kindof cable package for a year or
something like that, we'd havecable for the year but the next
year we might not have cable.
So it wasn't like I was everglued to Disney, cartoon Network
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or Nickelodeon Growing up.
It wasn't really until myteenage years where we had cable
consistently and by that pointit was like late 2000s.
So I wasn't really checking for, you know, any of the shows
really I was maybe watching,like I currently, and that's
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pretty much it.
Honestly, when I think about itoff the top of my head, because
I was watching the grassy andall of those shows on the end
more so than I was watching whatwas it more so than watching,
like Nickelodeon at that point,and SpongeBob as well.
So those were mainly the showsI was watching and no late 2000s
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.
But the first thing I guess Iwanted to talk about was the
gender inequality and bias,gender biases and sexism
Misogyny on the show or well, onthe set more so, and I guess on
some of the shows as well.
But the Idea that the two womenwriters had to split their
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salaries, yet the white men weregetting promoted left and right
, wasn't surprising to me.
I Feel like it also wasn'tsurprising for the women writers
to say that, that they feltlike they had to accept that
because, essentially, what DanSchneider did was manipulate
these women into thinking thatlike no one's gonna hire you
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Because this idea that likewomen aren't funny, which is
interesting.
I had to take a sip, which isvery interesting, because Even
in the late 90s, like we saw alot of women More front and
center.
We saw Zina, we saw a Buffy, wesaw the charm sisters.
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God, who else?
Oh, my god, felicity was likeanother show.
Eventually, amanda Bines wenton to do all about you.
That was like another one.
Like that was leading herSabrina, the Teenage Witch.
So it was like very interestingto hear that perspective that
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women aren't funny.
And then you think about some ofthese shows and the idea that
the Lee writers were white men,josh Whedon particularly, and I
remember which harmed.
My god, I can't remember hername.
She was like one of the headeither.
She was one of the heads of theshow and then eventually she
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got let go around the time apage came on the show and what's
his face?
Brad, something I think.
Don't quote me on it, butsomebody, just some man, took
over and that's why I feel likethe show kind of got terrible.
Like all of it was basicallyfor me with Charmed, not to you
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know.
So I tried too much, but was itstarted to become too like man
obsessed for me, like that's theonly thing that where Charms
starts to lose me is it was lessabout their bond as sisters as
the series went on and they allended up becoming more tied into
their relationships with men,which is why I kind of feel like
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Charmed could have maybe endedat like season five, not gonna
lie, but any who?
It doesn't surprise me that inthe background, there were
literally these like genderbiases and wage inequity Issues
that were going on and the ideathat, like you know, you would
even hire women to write onthese shows.
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It's like clearly you need awoman's Perspective, you need
something like or I don't knowif you're trying to meet some
kind of quota for diversity orSet like I don't know if that's
what it is or If it was justagain, cuz it's like, well, I
hire women, like that's whereyou know I come in at.
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I think it's weird to not hirewomen because I Don't know, like
a room full of men is a littleIntimidating, even for me as a
man.
Like a room full of women feelslike a room full of just one
person or one type of person isWeird to me.
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I feel like diversity doesmatter and it does Allow for us
to create ideas that are verygood, and I think that that's
why a Lot of these shows doreally well is because there are
you know there were mixed bagof people and it wasn't like
there was not really diversity.
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Sometimes there was likediversity for diversity's sake,
but it did mix it up a littlebit when you saw like a woman or
like a girl or Someone that wasblack or of a different, you
know, ethnic background.
Like it just made it a littlebit more inclusive.
Whether or not like it made adifference on the actual shows
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is kind of very like it reallydepends on the writing.
Like.
To me it made sense that, likeon Buffy or charm, there wasn't
any black characters becausethey lived in California and
like the suburbs Maybe not.
I mean charm was weird becauseit was like it was San Francisco
, like that was a little weird.
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But Buffy was like the middleof like nowhere is sunny Dell,
california, which is like asmall town.
So to me that didn't reallybother me watching the show but
like charmed at times I was like, huh, you have this one black
cop that's like sometimesfeatured.
That's weird.
I'm asking the one Writer to actout.
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The sodomy thing shouldn't haveeven been a thing that came up
in a writing room, a Like one,you know, a writing room that's
focused in a children's show orchildren's narrative or
perspective.
That's weird.
I can also understand why thewomen were like Didn't
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immediately say no, I can't, youknow, do this or I Quit.
You know, because again, it'slike as a writer, especially
back then I mean it still is now, but like really, especially
back then, it was like reallyhard for women and Individuals
that were not white cis men toget Jobs in Hollywood, like that
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.
Like a lot of people weretypecasted as actors, a lot of
people were, you know, had todeal with shitty conditions,
because it's like, well, if Idon't do good on this, then like
, that's it Like you.
You feel like you blow, youblew your shot and that's
unfortunate, that sucks, and Ithink it sounds like to me like
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an outsider looking in.
Dan Schneider knew this andreally took advantage of it and
that's We'll get into him in alittle bit, but that was like I
did.
I was like taking it back.
I was like wow, and then thecrew also had to be expected to
work 24-7, went under contract,which to me is barbaric as hell
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because not good, because Ithink the one writer says she
went to the movie Writer saysshe went to the movies With some
friends or something and gottentrouble for that.
That's like fucking weird to me.
Like why would you get introuble for something like that?
You like you should be allowedto live your life, especially on
the weekends, especially with aTV show.
If, like, you have a dedicatedwriting time or Everyone has
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their like individual parts thatthey're maybe coming up with,
or skits and things like that,and I'm like, okay, if I'm done,
I'm done.
You know I still need to doother things.
Or, you know, connect with thepeople in my life.
So that was barbaric, is a shit.
I thought the Amanda Bynes thingcoming up Was obvious, like I
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knew it was coming.
I feel like it was a littleweird to talk about her, with
her not being included in thedocumentary and for her to not
give her own opinion on what wasgoing on in the background,
because a lot of it was justspeculation.
A lot of it was, you know, shehas this connection with him and
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you know she's holding hiswaist and she's, you know,
rubbing his back and all of thisand that, and it's like, well,
okay, but like she also didn'thave a chance to Tell what was
really going on.
And I think that thisdocumentary, which was made to
be informative to the public, toadd layers of speculation of
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life, hmm, we really wonderwhat's going on there.
It's like you don't, like noone asked her, like no one.
You know, dot, hey, like youknow, are you cool with us
saying anything or how do youfeel about that?
Like it just was.
It leaves so much likespeculation when we know, at the
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end of the day, ra, almost aRob Schneider, dan Schneider did
so much stuff to these childrenand like the people that worked
for him and None of it wasreally like incriminating, like
that's I.
That's the thing that kind ofblows my mind, like he should be
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under the jail, quite frankly,but he's out walking around
still, you know, in business andthat's like very Wild to me.
And then also, too, is, I think, intriguing as well, because
for me, amanda Bynes was one ofthe funniest actresses, I think,
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when Nickelodeon at the time.
For me, I think that she's likereally funny, talented and
interesting.
I also feel like there's justso much that has happened to her
that we don't know and I justfeel like it's like unfair to
speculate.
Considering her history of likemental health and you know what
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it's, maybe like what the mediaexposure has done to her like I,
I Can't imagine, you know, whatshe must feel like watching a
show like this and ourdocumentary like this and not
having her say and like whatHappened.
And then also the fact thatthis could be something that
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re-traumatizes her and makes herfeel like she has to say
something or has to relivesomething she wasn't ready to
talk about.
It almost feels like Forcingher hand to do something in a
way or to say something, orbecause then again, like that's
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what people are doing.
People are now speculating welloh Well, it makes so much sense
why she's just like so messedup because, like you know she,
or why she looks different now,or why she's acting different
and why she's talking different,because All of this stuff
happened to her and you know,and it's all speculation.
It's like Anything could havehappened, like literally
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anything.
Like she was pretty much in herprime around the time, you know
, when she started breaking intoFilms and like things like that
, and Anything could havehappened.
It could have not been theNickelodeon Stuff or it could
have been, you know, that couldhave been like a small part of
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what you know led to her Havingthese like breaks in her mental
health, and so, again, I justthink it's not fair to label or
address that stuff without hersay Because she's a grown woman,
she you could, you know, shecould talk about it, she could
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do it, you know, whatever shewants and she doesn't want to
address it.
That's also fair, like I don'tfeel like any of these
celebrities owe us anything.
I think it's interesting whenthey do give us a glimpse into
what's happening or peek behindthe curtain, because, you know,
I think it's insightful forpeople to understand that, like
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these shows and the media, thisis what happens behind the
scenes.
Like everything looks Happy andfun on the surface and it's
like in the background you are.
You know these people aregetting abused, you know.
So it's very interesting Towatch and I also thought the
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interesting thing about this ismy last thing under the gender
kind of topic is the ideals ofthe two archetypes of girls and
women in Hollywood and how theyget portrayed.
You know the idea that you couldbe this sweet girl and you know
you Play by the rules and youknow this is just one form of
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who you are.
I think of like Shirley temple,for example, like that's what
comes to mind for me.
Or like a Dorothy, the girl.
That's like very sweet, very,you know, innocent, that
archetype.
And then I think of like thesexy you know that's the other
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one they talked about, the sexyarchetype of.
You know, I Don't know, I can'tthink of sexy archetypes off
the top of my head.
But like what is the girl name?
Betty, betty Boop, yes, orwhat's another one?
Oh, no, you know my brain istired.
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If someone could think ofanother one, let me know off the
top.
Who would y'all say is a sexyarchetype?
I really want to know.
I Guess prior to like the 90s orin the 90s Phoebe Hallowell
maybe, but like, I feel likethat's the thing about.
The thing about and this iskind of gonna be my point of you
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know, amanda Bynes, is thatshe's like the third thing, like
the funny girl.
She's the one that is funny.
She's pretty, you know.
Of course she's not overly sex,sex Sexified.
I guess when Nickelodeon fromwhat I remember, of course they
had her doing sexual things oryou know, all of the kids were
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doing things that were, you know, quote-unquote, sex related.
Or you know the end in Jewwindows of sexual behavior.
But like it wasn't, it was moreso.
She was like the funny girl.
You know, the girl that wasfunny, that could tell a joke,
which is ironic, considering Dansaid that women are funny, but
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that's him.
But yeah, I feel like in the 90sthey've really started to
create more of a Slew ofarchetypes for women and that
women could be more than justeye candy or Just more than you
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know the way in which men havealways portrayed them, to be
like Buffy, for example.
You know, she's just a girlthat you know, is given these
powers that make her Superstrong and super fast and super
agile and athletic, and menstruggle to keep up with her,
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and that's something that we'venot really seen too much of in
the media up until that point.
So, you know, the women, thecharmed girls they also, you
know, are another example ofthat.
I keep using those but, like,those are examples that are
really at the forefront of mybrain.
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But, like you know, they usetheir power to fight off demons
and warlocks.
And a lot of those warlocks anddemons were male and you know,
it was almost like they wereboth a slave to their Love lives
and to the patriarch patriarchyin some ways.
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But then they also showed waysin which they were able to use
their powers to, in their, youknow, sisterhood, to Advocate
for the greater good and forthemselves.
So I think the 90s, the late90s, really did begin to create
these women that were just multiFascinated and
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three-dimensional, you know.
But that's it for the Sexismraces were moving into the
racism, but racism reallyquickly, because I don't have
too much to say, but it didn'tsurprise me one bit on a
documentary that they talkedabout racism, or that was a,
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that was something that came upbecause I truly believe in my
heart of hearts that blackpeople are always going to be
kicked to the side by societyuntil we unify and become our
own force against the system.
It doesn't matter what cultureit is.
You know, you would think thatlike as as Interesting then I've
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someone said this but like,white people are really the
minority in the world, which iskind of Interesting how they've
somehow dominated the zeitgeist,so to speak, of culture and the
way in which they're able to Be.
(37:49):
Yeah, I don't know, I couldtalk about this like maybe on a
different episode, but it's justlike really interesting how,
like white people have createdthis thing for themselves where
they want to oppress everyone,but then it's like they also
want to be a part of theiroppression and At the same time,
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take everyone else's rightsaway.
Like that, to me, is weird.
That is very weird to me.
It doesn't make sense to me.
You know, again in the UnitedStates, like I feel like If
you're non-white, you're, youknow and you're in like the
non-white versus white, likeyour non-white is the majority.
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Yet they run the country andand Everything has to go by, go
through them, you know, and thenyou go to other countries like
China or Anywhere like in theworld, and it's like you get
called a nigger monkey by anAsian person, or you know A
(38:58):
Latin person or another blackperson like that.
You know an African person thatmaybe feels like, you know, as
a black American you're lesser,you know, so it to me just feels
like as a black person thatlives in America with the you
know, I guess, of ethnicity, ofAfrican-American or whatever.
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I feel like Until we do our ownshit, like it's gonna keep,
this is gonna keep happening.
And at the same time I alsofeel like we still need to
advocate for ourselves when it'sall said and done, like I think
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that the listening to the storyabout Brian, her knees mom and
how you know him and his momkind of fell out because of the
misunderstanding between whatshe was noticing and you know he
was noticing, and then alsothis like feeling of I might be
(40:10):
further in my career if itwasn't for my mom, you know, if
she had just like kind of keptquiet, then I wouldn't be fired
from the show.
Like that's fucked up andunfortunately, you know, dan
Schneider did that, like a whiteman put that divide between a
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black mother and her son sopretty heavy to talk about or
identify.
But I Is just somethinginteresting that I've known that
I noticed watching the show andI also just feel like a show
with primarily white cast andcrew is gonna somehow Result in
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some form of racism.
I already kind of spoke aboutthis, but, like the idea of
having to have diversity, italmost feels like more appealing
if, like, you're not included,instead of like including
someone and then sending themthrough the ringer just because
(41:14):
of who they are like, who theylook like, what their
experiences are like that aredifferent from yours.
Like that's just very odd to me, odd behavior, and it bothers
me to just add diversity fordiversity sake.
Also shout out to like GiovanniSamuels.
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I love her, like she's like evengrowing up, like I kind of I I
mean, I identified her with herbecause she's black, but like it
was nice to kind of See hertalk about the things that she
noticed once that andexperienced as well you know,
being on the cast of all thatbecause it's just a lot, like
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it's a lot and I think that aspeople you know continue to come
forward and talk about things,I think more and more is just
gonna unfold in the long run.
Again, I was really happy thatBrian's mom spoke up and I think
that she may have saved himfrom a lot of grief in the end.
I think at the time he didn'tsee it that way, which was, I
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mean, as a kid I agree like Ifeel like I've been like mom,
you fucked up my chance.
But then you find out all ofthe other things that happened
to the other kids on the showand you're just on the well,
different shows and you realizeyou're just like well, damn,
like I Guess my mom was lookingout.
You know it wasn't that you'renot determined, was it felt like
maybe she was being a pain, butlike damn, like she was looking
(42:50):
to fuck out.
So what else?
I think that's it for the race,part of what I just noticed or
wanted to talk about.
And then the last one is justthe child abuse.
And I would say like, if youare like trigger warning, I
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maybe should have put a triggerwarning on some of this already.
But trigger warning, I feellike if you are very sensitive
to Discussions on like childabuse and like sex acts and
things like that, I woulddefinitely skip ahead.
I'll probably spin like no more, I'm gonna like put a timer one
(43:34):
no more than 15 minutes and I'mgonna watch the timer.
All right, so, jumping in, Ifeel like it was way easy, like
way too easy, to manipulate theparents and to doing a lot of
the things for their kids, likesaying yes to producers and
staff when they should have saidno Again.
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Because I think that it's easyto guess like parents and
manipulate.
Manipulate them when you appearnice on the surface and you are
Saying that everything's on theup and up.
You know it's very easy toappease a parent if they can
garner some sense of trust outof you, and I feel like that's
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the downfall for a lot ofparents and children that are in
the industry is that you can'tbe too trusting.
I think it was interesting thatAmanda Bynes's parents Did say
no to a lot of stuff.
That was like they were tryingto like, like not too much,
because like they also weretrying to control her career and
(44:40):
you know we're very close withDan and working with him and
getting you know her, her ownshow and you know, then moving
her to like all about us and youknow she Kind of suffer.
I mean she did suffer a littlebit from the hands of both of
them, in that sense of they weretoo Invested in her career as a
(45:03):
child actress and they did lookout when it was like we don't
want her dating some older guy.
You know the story aboutBrandy's mother.
I can't remember her mom's nameoff the top of her head, off
the top of my head, but thisstory of her mother Wanting to
be in the industry when she wasa little girl and then her mom
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not letting her be in theindustry so she let Brandy be in
the industry, was Heartbreakingbecause I feel like a lot of
times parents don't talk totheir kids about the reasons why
they don't let them do thingsand they just say no, and so
that creates this, like you know.
Well, I'm gonna do it for mychild.
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If my child asked me and thenend up in a situation like this
that her mother, like the momdid not like fully warn her
about, of what could happen, youknow, if I were to let you be a
child actress and this sickindustry, you know I Feel like,
(46:12):
let me see.
Yeah, I just kind of feel likethat's mainly why, like you know
, brandy ended up in thatsituation was cuz like Her mom
didn't have this like fullunderstanding of.
Like this is what comes withthe industry.
Like not all the times.
Like there are people they getout and they're pretty, you know
they don't have to face traumaor you know abuse because
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they're around, actual, likegood adults, good people.
But there are so many cases ofchildren like facing abuse by
Some adult that you know theirparents supposedly trusted, not
even just in the industry, butlike in the end world, like our
world in general.
Like this happens all of thetime.
Also, fuck Jason Michael Hardy.
(46:59):
There's so many people outthere like him that are just
disgusting, like pedophilesbehind a scene, like that
journal entry or those journalentries rocked me because he
just so openly admitted to beinga pedophile and then keeping
those zip lock bags like it likeMakes me want to like throw the
(47:20):
fuck up.
You know it just was so sickand nasty and just to be like
smiling him like people's facesand Trying to come off as this
good guy.
When it's like in the shadows,you're really the Boogieman.
Like you are the boogieman.
Like that is terrifying.
I Also wanted to just quicklyjust say to that, like the Abuse
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that Jeanette McCurdy, you know, talked about her book, which I
discussed in my podcast Titlenote, and I, you know, released
that back around the time thebook came out in August 2022.
I Think it's interesting that,like you know, it at like, some
of the things that thesechildren had to go through
(48:10):
echoed what her sentiments wereand, you know, like her mom
forcing her to, you know,participate in things that she
didn't want to do Once said, orbeing like, well, I trust Dan to
, like you know, help and dothings and yada, yada, yada, and
then, you know, guilting herinto being like, well, you are
(48:33):
the provider for this family andit'd be a shame if, you know,
you lost your job and you know,I just feel like there's so many
other stories that are likethat that you know I'm only two
episodes in and could have maybehave happened, but I do applaud
her for, like, opening the doorat least to talking about the
(48:53):
things that children, like childactors, have to face, and I
think that having to be aprovider for your family Is a
lot like, that's a lot to put ona child like.
That's to me, kind of abusewithin itself.
You know, I feel like it'ssomething that, should you know
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there needs to be somemonitoring or something like
something needs to.
Like there needs to be somebodythere to be like, like a
non-biased person to just sayyes and no to people, because
you end up in situations likethis where you know kids are
feeling uncomfortable BrianHarney talked about that with
(49:39):
wearing the leotards and thatyou know he felt very
uncomfortable, and then how thelike noses on his outfit look
like penises, which they do.
So it just to me like remindedme that like again, you know
children aren't.
That's a heavy burden to put ona child to tell them that they
(50:00):
need to be the providers fortheir family.
Like that is a lot.
The physical abuse on TV shows,like on air dares, like eating a
scorpion, the drowning of likesugar and coffee on all that.
Like I remember that watchingthat and thinking it was funny
at the time, but like inretrospect, my you know, with my
(50:23):
grown adult brain, I'm likethat was really fucked up
because you know, first of all,a child drinking coffee is crazy
and then to be drowning in it,like choking on coffee and sugar
, is disgusting.
I couldn't imagine what that'slike.
I'm very curious to see whatDrake Bell says about his
(50:47):
experience.
I'm not to that part yet.
I think that's where part twoends.
Part two ends with him comingout to talk about his you know
to go into part three to talkabout his experience with
Nickelodeon and I avoided theinternet, like talking about
(51:10):
that, because I rather hear itfrom him.
And just speaking of that too,like the pickle boy stuff like
did seem sus to me with BrianPeck.
I it was interesting being akid and seeing him on TV and
being like, oh, he seems like agood guy and he seems like just
(51:30):
weird.
And I'm like, is it you got toreally look out for the weird
guys?
Is that what it is?
Because I'm like I couldn't putit, put my finger on it.
I was like, okay, the picklething was weird, like my parents
would talk to me about.
You know how the media wouldtry to influence children on
certain things and how therewere like these sexual innuendos
(51:56):
that you don't really pick upone as a kid.
It's just funny as a kid, likeyou're not looking that into it,
but you know to be like I don'tknow to have kids just around
this man like Frankie Munez,like you know, eating a pickle.
You know all of the all thatkids eating pickles off of this
(52:18):
man's tray, and then the glorywhole thing with Ray Romano like
that was weird, of course,because Ray is like moaning as
he's eating this pickle, whichis very sexual.
Looking back again, I didn'tSome of these things I feel like
I missed because I wasn't,didn't know, I didn't always
(52:42):
have cable again, you know.
So I feel like it's one ofthose things where I really
missed some of the things thathappened.
But yet finding out he was asex offender was just like like
disgusting, like who can youtrust anymore?
Like if you can't trust, likepeople that are around, like
(53:03):
literally around children, likepeople that are adults, like you
think that people are screened,you know, you think that people
are on the up and up and thereality of it all is is that you
just never really know someoneand that's scary, that is very
scary to not know who your kidsare around.
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And there are so many thingslike not even just in media, but
like crime dramas or not crimedramas, but like crime podcast.
I'll say where kids maybe goover, you know, to their
friend's house and their friends.
Dad ends up being like a childmolester or kids are just
(53:49):
walking down the street and youknow the guy that with the weird
van you know just so happens toroll up and drag the kid into
the van and it's like, oh, beinga kid is hard.
Like that shit is very hard.
You're just trying to live yourlife, just be regular, just
have fun, see your friends, youknow all of that good stuff.
(54:11):
And then you have people likeolder people that know better,
creeping on you like that isdisgusting.
I feel like you really can'ttrust anyone in the media.
Like for sure, I will say that.
And then also to the John WayneGacy thing like I just would
have been calling the policestation right then and there,
(54:31):
like pen pal, pen pals with JohnWayne Gacy is so beyond me.
Like he sent you a photo, likea clown photo of him.
No, I'd have been on the phone.
It said Rocky, I'd have beenlike you know, we, we out of
here.
Like I can't do this and I feellike that's the thing too.
(54:53):
Like I will say that a lot ofpeople need to just start
speaking up, like when they seestuff, because it's just it'd be
so obvious sometimes and I justcan't, like it's too much.
So see, we have three minutesleft.
I feel like that's pretty muchit, like I don't have too much
(55:14):
else to talk about.
And just in regards to the childabuse stuff, I just think it's
like really interesting howpeople might say things like oh,
they're always, you know,tearing into, like the black man
, like R Kelly or Blinken orlike other black child abusers,
(55:40):
but him specifically, they'relike oh, he's tearing down,
they're tearing down a black man.
It's like no, like this,literally like their white men
that are out here that are doingthe same thing.
There are people, there arewomen that are out here doing
the same thing.
People are terrible to children.
You know, we try to pretendlike and I say we, the universal
(56:01):
, we but like try to pretendthat you know children are the
future and you know children arethe leaders of the world and
this set any other, and blah,blah, blah, and it's like,
behind closed doors, you'rehurting them, you're hurting
their development, you'recausing harm, you're not sorry
for it Like you're, you know,you just keep doing it like you
(56:23):
admit to writing it down in ajournal.
So it's like do you?
You don't really mean it like.
That's just where, to me, itcomes off as it's, like you
don't really mean it, you don'treally care if you know you got
caught or if you get caught, theidea or the fact that that man
was like Jason, Jason Hardy, waslike sending, like inching his
(56:44):
way into Brandy's life and justlike sent her a photo of him
masturbating.
Like that is sick, like youneed to be in hell, like
literally under the hell,because what makes you think
that like that's okay, and thenit traumatized her to do that
(57:06):
and that her mom, not at thetime like doing the steps of
like reporting it, reporting thebehaviors that she was noticing
.
It's like you got to like speakthe fuck up.
I'm going to just go into myfinal thoughts segment Now
because I feel like I covered alot.
(57:28):
I just want to kind ofhighlight to that.
I asked a couple of my followerswhy is my followers on IG?
If you're not following, gatherthem, pod.
Definitely go follow, but Iasked them to leave comments or
what they wanted to say aboutthe documentary.
One of the followers, scorpioAntic, said we should have more,
(57:48):
we have to be more diligent asa society about the signs of
petapiles in our midst, andthat's my point to like.
Very true.
We need to be like, when we havethat gut feeling or something's
not curling over, remove yourchild.
(58:09):
Or if it's like blatantlyobvious like you say, your pen
pals with John Wayne Gacy I'mlike you need to maybe call
child line and just be like, hey, this person's not, it's not
curling over for me, you knowjust to sweep it under the rug.
(58:29):
Or you know you might havesaved your child but you might
not save the next one.
And that's the unfortunate partabout the speaking up thing,
like whether or not you feellike, okay, if I take my child
out, like that's fine, but ifyou don't speak up, it's like it
almost feels like youinadvertently put someone else,
(58:53):
someone else's child, in danger,which I don't know.
I don't know how you reallylive with that.
Or if you care, you know, Idon't know if people care, but I
feel like I would feel somesort of guilt by not saying
something if something happenedto someone else's child when I
(59:13):
knew there were signs or I wasable to point them out, because
there's no telling what hasalready been done to children,
if this man is giddy like JohnWayne Gacy, like if he's giddy
to show you a photo he got fromor not.
John Wayne Gacy, brian Peck isgiddy to show you a photo that
he's gotten, or picture he'sgotten from John Wayne Gacy and
(59:36):
he's bragging about being penpals with a child murderer like
and sex abuser like.
That, to me, is a big shiningin your face red flag.
There's no way around that,none whatsoever.
My other followers shout out tomy girl, deondra hers is Her
(01:00:02):
handle is XO underscore DeondraKiera.
She said there needs to be asocial worker, slash advocate,
on set with children, anotherStatement I completely agree
with.
I feel like Once set, you know,if I was on set I'd be dialing
down one one immediately, like Iwould be on the phone like Get
(01:00:26):
these, like pack them up, getthem out.
I Feel like Dan Schneider,particularly, was able to get
away with so much because hedidn't, like I said earlier,
outright leave, physically puthis hands on, or I'm Send like
naked photos or you know thereweren't reports of him like
touching kids inappropriately.
It was just that he was able toget away with as much as he did
(01:00:49):
because he had like the peoplearound him doing all of this
stuff like it wasn't like hehimself needed to do it.
He was able to manipulatepeople and gaslight people and,
you know, intimidate andblackmail people, but he wasn't
the kind a person and that'slike the scariest part of it.
(01:01:12):
Like you can do all of that andthen have your, the people
surrounding you, doing thethings like doing the actual
acts of harm to people, and thatis that's frightening.
I think that him you knowAllowing people the opportunity
(01:01:33):
to you know abuse children andthen like cross some of the
boundaries of Things that arenot outwardly, that are weird.
Like things that you would likeyou're not gonna.
Fucking Like you're not gonnaask a child that you don't know,
like that, for a neck massage.
Like you're not gonna ask achild to Like if a child grabs
(01:01:58):
your waist and you don't knowthe child, like you're not gonna
be like Just standing therewith the child on your waist,
like that's weird.
Like I would just be like whatthe like?
That's fucking weird.
Like you're not, they're likemom, you're not, they're dead,
you're not anyone related tothem that's fucking weird.
And then to be asking for headmassages and like Spending
(01:02:23):
special time with kids like no,mm-hmm.
Off the table Immediately.
Be like there needs to be atleast two adults Like around a
child, a group of adults.
Every single time a scene ishappening because and no, going
to the dressing room.
No, like Secret, you know we'regoing to get ice cream together
(01:02:46):
.
Nope, we all gonna go.
That's, that's just it.
That's that's just it.
Um, parents included.
Like we're not telling theparents to Leave the room, we're
not telling the parents like no, we're not doing it, like they
got, like everybody's got to beinvolved, um, that, that is just
like so.
And that's again the thing forme.
I'm like I don't understand howpeople were able to just binge
(01:03:09):
um this documentary because,just reflecting, I feel Myself
like I feel stupid, almost, um,not too much, but like I feel
Like as a kid, like I have to, Iguess, compartmentalize, but
like, as a kid, like you don'treally know what's happening at
the time, you think that, again,you're supposed to put your
(01:03:30):
trust in adults.
You're told, as a kid, tofollow the rules and you're told
to um, abide by, like, what theadult says and you're supposed
to stay in a child's place.
And I think that At the time,these tv shows were also
encouraging us to Create a selfof like responsibility.
(01:03:53):
That is like you don't needyour parents around or you don't
need your parents to be like Totell you what to do, or you
don't need your parents for help, um, and you know, have this
go-getter attitude of you, knowthat you're self-sufficient
without your parents.
So I feel like those idealswere very instilled in us
(01:04:16):
through those tv shows.
Um, any idea of like we someonehad made this comment on the
documentary but like, just theidea of like not having Parents
around really on a lot of theseshows, like I think about.
I mean, rugrest was a cartoon,but I think about that.
I think about the amanda showlike her dad was like goofy as
(01:04:37):
hell falling down because helike Lost his toe or cut his toe
, got cut off, her mom's just upin a blimp somewhere flying
around.
Um, on the moody show, likethat was weird being in the hot
tub with dan schneider, likefucking weird, like you know.
(01:04:58):
So I just feel like it's itmade you almost feel like or the
goal feels like it was tryingto make you feel like you're one
of the adults, like you're oneof the adults in the room you
are.
You have a place, um, at thetable, and that's dangerous
because you're very prone tobeing manipulated as a child.
(01:05:20):
You're very prone to abuse, um,mistreatment, disrespect.
Like you don't know what isLike up and down as a child,
like you don't really know untilyou have a fully developed
brain and I don't know what isacceptable and what's acceptable
, you and I See I don't want itand also.
(01:05:50):
So just to kind of just saylike.
Also, my other thought was justlike I just felt like even with
my parents, like when myparents went around, I just was
like I Don't know, I just feellike I was.
These were like the adults thatwe're watching us, if that makes
sense.
Like you were watching theseshows With these adults that
(01:06:14):
were supposed to be the modelsof like what a good adult is.
Like a good adult is someonethat you know they have a good
relationship with a child, theyare mentors, they are Figures
that you feel like you can go toor be around and feel safe.
(01:06:34):
And it's like you get this peakbehind a curtain and you just
start to see that like that'sfalse In a lot of ways.
Like you're not safe aroundeveryone.
You're not.
You know you're not Able totrust everyone.
You know you have to.
Trust is earned, even forchildren, trust is earned.
(01:06:56):
We have to account for the factthat children are Allow to be
Mistrustful of adults.
They're not.
They don't have to Just respectsome adult because you say they
do.
You know, and that's what a lotof kids are told and that's
(01:07:18):
unfortunate because, again,children are you know.
As you learn and you grow, youknow you have to learn it for
yourself.
If that makes sense, you haveto learn it from yourself and it
starts with your parents and itstarts with you know your
immediate circle of liketeachers, maybe your friends,
(01:07:40):
parents, like it takes a village, like it really like.
When people say it takes avillage to raise a child, it
really does take a village andTo have a monster in that
village, I feel like you need tocut the Head off before it
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continues like before oranything further happens.
When you recognize the signs oryou see the signs like there's
sometimes dead in your face thesigns and children won't see
that because children arechildren like I don't understand
how people put so much onchildren To just know everything
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.
It's like your child, you don'tknow everything.
You didn't know everythingwhere you were a child, so you
can't expect a child to knoweverything.
I also just want to kind of sayto.
Lastly, the Dan Schneider.
I think he is a narcissisticloser and I don't even care if
he was bullied as a child.
They tried to say that at firstthat like he was bullied as a
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child, he was lesser than in hisfamily, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
But threatening, blackmailingpeople, abusing people is
Disgusting, and then especiallythat edit layer of you know,
children who were innocent andall of this and it just it's
just so disgusting, honestly,like I don't even have any other
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words to really say.
I think that Him with the fakeapology of you know, I'm sorry
that this happened and you know,whatever, I don't, I didn't
even listen to the apology, butall I know is that I just feel
like you're sorry because yougot caught.
Everyone's sorry, the producersare sorry because they got
caught, they got exposed and andit's public now and that's how
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I feel about that.
I feel like no one's reallysorry, because if you were sorry
, you would have stopped a longtime ago.
That's kind of the whole pointor you would have said something
Specifically when it startedcoming up.
You would have said I made somewrong choices, you know I made
some wrong, but again, likepeople that are wrong and you
know that are in thesesituations, are not going to
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admit when they're wrong.
So that's kind of when thatthat you know lies.
What else, what else?
I Was gonna talk about someother stuff, but I think I'm
pretty done.
I do want to say, like it isinteresting again that Jeanette
McCurdy kind of I mean, thiswasn't like just her Starting to
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talk about this and that's whatopened the door, what you know.
They were kind of working onthis, you know, before her book
came out, but I think thatwithin recent like her being the
first to put a book out and andtalk about this openly and then
for them to put thisDocumentary out that they've
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been working on for a few years.
I Think it's like spreadingawareness of, like what is
happening behind in Hollywood.
I remember Hearing about whenShirley Temple was growing up in
the industry and how she wasfaced with abuse in the industry
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.
Brian Singer, you know, abuseda bunch of people, kids in the
industry we're currently talkingabout Diddy abusing kids.
You know, having kids at sexparties, like serving, or you
know, serving drinks and likebeing trafficked allegedly.
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I guess it's just veryInteresting that there's just so
many people and so many storiesin the industry that people
would even question that this isfalse.
Like to me, it feels like, okay, I have to believe it.
Like I have to believe it ifmore than one person is saying
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that it is true, because whywould everyone make up the same
story Like, why would everyonehave such a visceral response
when talking about their trauma?
Why would they feel like thisheavy Feeling of overwhelm and
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guilt and sadness and shame?
You know, like when the onewriter was talking about you
know how she had to.
You know, perform that sodomy.
Like what would look like.
You know to perform sodomy infront of that group of men.
It's like you have to believethese stories because who would
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make this up?
Like who?
No one wants to be abused.
Like no one wants to claimabuse.
You don't get anything out ofthat.
Like you, if anything, itbecomes more of a thing of like
oh, you asked for it, or youknow well, why did you stay?
Like you get all of thesequestions and why would someone
put their livelihood on the lineif these things weren't true?
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That's what I just always comeback to and that's the way I
feel about it.
Again, I wholeheartedly believethere are so many other stories
and I'm very interested in andhearing them come out.
I'm also very interested in,you know, if people want to just
kind of stay quiet about it.
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I think that you know this is atime where people are, you know
, becoming exposed for who theyreally are and this, like
separation from Hollywood, islike already maybe starting to
begin.
Doesn't feel like it, but Ithink, as more stories start to
come out and people start to seepeople for who they really are,
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it can't just be that, oh,they're all just trying to ruin,
you know, the black man or they.
You know they're always tryingto, you know, keep someone down,
or they're always trying toexpose someone, like it's.
It can't Be that.
It has to be that these peopleare really doing the things that
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they're doing and Whether ornot you co-signed it as a person
by sticking beside them, that'sgoing to be very telling.
Or If you're going to say, well, fuck this, I guess we're done,
you know, with the bullshit.
So that's it for the show.
If you would like to give anyfeedback or insight, feel free
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to write those letters orresponses together them pod at
gmailcom or you can send them tome via Gather them pod on X or
IG.
That's where I'm at.
Next week I'm going to talkabout episode three and four,
but I I'm not sure if I'm goingto be as extensive as this, as
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this was pretty heavy of a topicand I feel like I Don't know,
like I feel like it's a lot andI feel like I've said a lot
about how I feel about this, butI am interested in talking
about some of the thoughts of orthings that have happened to
Drake Bell his own history ofAbusing minors because I feel
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like that happened as well.
Now I feel like I believe itdid happen as well, because
Someone has said something onsocial media that reminded me
that he was an abuser and I waslike, oh yeah, I forgot about
that.
And then also the dynamic oflike why people feel like Josh
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peck needed to say anything likethat was weird to me.
Again, it goes back to like theKate Middleton thing like I
think that's weird that y'allyou know Said she was like
getting a BBL Meantime.
She almost died like that'sfucking weird, but whatever,
anyway, that's it.
I felt like this was good, youknow, to talk about now, because
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, as a millennial that grew upon these TV shows.
This is a lot.
It's a lot.
It's a lot to talk about, and Ialso just feel like, as a
social worker, being able tokind of sit back and watch
people tell their stories isimportant, and also providing
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support and resources to peopleis important as well.
So I'm interested to see theremight have been a couple things
on there about like whatNickelodeon has tried to do for
the families or something, but Idon't know, like I just feel
like it's just not gonna beenough.
Like it's not gonna be enough.
There needs to be resources now, more resources now for
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individuals that face childabuse or Gender, racial, sexual
biases in the workplace,identity biases in the workplace
and all of that, all of thatjazz.
So that's it for me.
I hope everyone has a goodweekend and I will talk to
everyone next week.
I cannot wait to go to bed.
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But peace out, girl scouts.
What's up?
Gays, thays Straps?
Why would I start a podcastlike that?
I don't know?
You're back to another episodeof Gather them Podcast.
I'm your host, jerome.
We're back for another week,another episode.
I was not here last week,unfortunately, because I was not
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feeling great.
I also don't feel great thisweek, but I'm also in a better
space to record because I'vejust been dealing with a lot of
anxiety and it's been reallyhard, I think, lately just
trying to navigate the worldwith everything that's going on.
So for me it's just been verychallenging to do things that
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are even things that I likedoing.
I'll say that I've been tryingto do things that I even like
doing or being a part of andthings like that, and so it's
been a very rough couple ofweeks.
We are finally out of Piscesseason and to Aries seasons.
I feel like everybody came inhot with Aries season fanning
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into flames.
It's the start of the newastrological new year.
Yeah, so it's been aninteresting one so far.
I'll say that I'm lookingforward to the summer.
It's like weird weather rightnow.
Here in Philly.
The weather is last week waspretty warm, like I was wearing
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a sweater to work, and this weekit is very chilly, so doesn't
feel quite like spring yet, butspring is here.
I am finished my grant writingclass, kind of sort of.
I'm not really finished in thesense of you know, I still have
an assignment to turn in to getmy certificate, but it is
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finished in the sense that Idon't have to attend Wednesday
nights anymore.
Thank goodness, I love learningand I love going to classes and
I love I just love like theschool process, like I love you
know writing papers and you knowall of that stuff.
Even if it is a pain in the assto do.
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I much rather would do thatthan actually work a job.
I'm not going to lie, but it isexhausting when you have to
work a job and go to school.
So you know, and this was onlysix weeks, like this was a six
week class.
So I like 100% respect peoplethat go to school and work Like
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I used to.
I kind of sort of did it withmy internship when I was in my
second year of grad school, butI would say for like this around
this was like my first timeactually doing a class while
full time working, like I wasn'teven like full time working
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then when I was in grad school,so that was.
It could be a lot Just likereally draining when you have to
like deal with a bunch ofpersonalities during the day and
then also having to deal withpersonalities.
You can't do it, just go homeand lay down.
You have to like literally beready, prepare all of that.
But I will say that the nicething about going to school or
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like taking classes as an adultis that nine times out of 10,
you're going to meet people thatare also like really interested
in a thing that you'reinterested in, and that makes it
so much easier to becauseyou're spending your own money
essentially it's not free so youmeet people who are also
interested in learning and theway in which you're interested
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in learning, and so I think thatthat makes it way, way, way
easier to navigate, becauseeveryone's motivated to pass or
to get something out of it.
So I think that that makes abig difference for me.
It makes me a little bit morelike excited to do classes and
to learn and all of that jazz.
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What else?
Oh, I'm going to just keep thiskind of short because I feel
like all of this likeintroduction stuff, because I
have a lot to talk about, likenot you know too much, but you
know in terms of in thebeginning, like not too much to
talk about.
Because I really want to getinto the meat you know the meat
of the show.
I kind of feel weird sayingthat now.
(05:07):
I should cut that out.
But I really want to talk aboutthe quiet on set documentary
Just at least the first twoepisodes.
I'm going to get into that, butI needed to also talk about
some other things, like rapidnews topics.
One more thing, before I evenget into that is I just want to
say fuck, how expensiveeverything is right now.
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Because I took my car a coupleweeks ago to get an inspection
done.
Like I'm way out of, like theway I was way out of the window
of getting that done and come tofind out they did the
inspection.
Or like well, your battery isbad, go in bed.
It's like not, you know, it'sgoing to die soon.
You need spark plugs, you needto replace the brakes, you need
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new windshield wipers, whichthey did replace.
And then they need or I need toget like brake fluid or
whatever, and I'm just likebasically everything comes to
$2,000.
If I get them to do it and I'mjust like what the entire fuck?
Like I already I just caved andgot insurance again because I
didn't have insurance for like amonth and I just like, because
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I was like, okay, well, I needto get this done in case I need
to go somewhere.
I don't really drive my car ever, like honestly, like I really
want to sell it, but the sellingvalue of it is like I need to
spend, like I need to buy morein order to sell it.
But I really want to sell itbecause I'm just like I don't
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really even drive that much.
I feel like it's an extra bill.
Insurance is ridiculous rightnow, the cost of insurance.
Like I got like the highestdeductible, whatever plan, just
to have minimum payments on thecar, because I'm just like I
don't go anywhere, like Iliterally like it'd be different
if I was driving my car.
(07:00):
So like the way I was when Iwas going up to New York and,
you know, when I was going tothe job in Bucks County.
But I'm not doing that anymore.
Like my Monday through Fridaysis me taking the bus or walking
to work or walking from work, orI'm just at home at the one the
weekends, nine times out of 10.
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Because my friends, you know,are usually busy, or you know,
if we do hang out, it's not likeI want to be in a position to
drink and drive, or like pop anettle and drive or anything
like that.
So for me it's just like itdoesn't make sense to like have
a car anymore, and it just feelslike it's just.
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This is another expense of like$500 a month, essentially
between car insurance, gas andthe car payment of just like
that could be going to somethingelse, you know.
So that's like reallyfrustrating for me and I don't
know what I'm going to do rightnow.
I'll figure it out, though.
But yes, I wanted to jump intolike some rapid fire news topics
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really quickly, just because,excuse me, just because I and
I'm also sorry, like not toapologize again, but like my
sinuses are fucked up right nowand I got mucus, so I'm so sorry
(08:28):
, but this would not getrecorded on time if I did not.
You know, go ahead and justrecord, you know.
But anyhow, I just wanted totalk about some rapid news
topics, quick, rapid news.
I might do this like a thing oflike doing a five minute rapid
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news thing in a way in which ithappens on TikTok, but I don't
know like I feel like becausethere's one follower that I have
that I like one follow personthat I follow not a follower,
but a person that I follow thatdoes oh my God, what is her?
I don't even remember where heraccount is off the top of my
(09:13):
head, but she does craziestthings I've seen on TikTok.
I should like talk about themfor like two minutes, two, three
minutes and it's like reallyinteresting because I get some
of my news that way.
I get some of my the things that, like that, inspire me to talk
about different topics andthings like that, and I feel
like I, you know, mentioned Idon't really want to talk about
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the news as much because thenews is depressing, but there
are things that I really do wantto like highlight or point out,
because a lot of you know myshow is talking about pop
culture and the things that I'mnoticing, the things that are
troubling, the things that aregood, like some of the good
things that are happening in theworld, some of the topics that
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come up that are relationshipbased or dating based or
workplace relationships with,like friends and family, like
things like that that come up inthe news or things that people
are doing to improve theircommunities, and I think that
that's important to talk about.
So I'm going to just kind ofjump into this really quickly
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and then we'll get into the cruxof the show.
Not the, not the meat.
I felt weird saying to me,because I'm like we're going to
be talking about the kid thingwith them, with the Nickelodeon
kids Also.
I feel like I'll just say I'mnot going to go ahead and go.
(10:38):
I'm going to just say I'm justwe just want to do this.
So, going to the rapid topics,let's start.
I don't know if I'll put atimer on.
Let me put a timer on Hold on.
Wait a minute, hold on.
Oh, I forgot, I was supposed togo to Target.
I just saw that list.
I'm just like girl.
(10:58):
Another thing Also since there,like I said, there was no
episode last week, I just feellike I need to go ahead and just
do this, and I also should havedid this like before this, you
know, like just to not rambleright here, but this is me in
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real, real time as I talkthrough this, and then I'm going
to put the timer.
Let's say I don't know what, Idon't know, let's start with
like five minutes and then we'llsee what that feels like.
Okay, so I just started, so, allright, a couple of things.
First thing is the TikTok ban.
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So the United States House andSenate I believe both
unanimously voted to ban TikTok,which to me is a slap in the
face to American citizens.
I honestly feel like the factthat they can unanimously agree
on that, but can't unanimouslyagree on what to do about hunger
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, homelessness, inflation,economic hardships that people
are going through right now,student loans, like all of it.
It's just very telling, I think, of where our country is
heading.
You know, I think that we'vebeen out of a democracy a long
time ago.
I think that they've beenpulling the strings the whole
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time and I think that also, withthe way in which the media is
trying to portray thePalestinian genocide, I feel
like that is also verysignificant as well.
And this whole thing of, oh,we're not going to bomb them
during Ramadan, which they arelike doing, like actively, like
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Israel is actively doing thatand the US is aiding in that,
and at the same time, they'relike, oh, we're dropping aid to
Palestine and you know, the aidis like killing people, because
the aid is also like hittingpeople in the heads and it's
expired food and it's just likeit's such a fucking mess.
It's a lot of money just beingwasted.
You know it just is getting tobe very ridiculous at this point
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.
So, ramadan Mubar I think Isaid that right to all the
Muslim listeners.
Again, I don't know how youguys are doing it right now
because the world is so hard,but I get it.
It's the faith and you knowit's what you're called to do.
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I get that.
Also, there was John Cena nudeat the Academy Awards, which was
not a big deal to me.
I mean again like I feel likecertain people can get away with
things like that.
You know I'm not really goingto go into detail too much about
that.
And also I mean not too much onJohn Cena, just because like oh
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no, he's hot, like I don't knowhe's not.
Like to me he's like a harmlesskind of white guy, like he
doesn't seem like, like he justdoes stuff to be funny.
Like to me, like that's what Iget from him, like he hasn't
done to me anything that seemedlike really repulsive or
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anything that's been like reallyjust stand.
That stands out to me in mybrain like outside of his WWE
persona, which was wild and youknow he does still portray.
But I'm like there are a lot of, you know, white people that
are appropriate black culture atthis point and I'm just like I
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don't really have the energy tokeep fighting that fight when
there's so much other stuff thatis like happening in the world.
So, yeah, he's just, I don'tknow, it's just something about
him that doesn't seem like hedoesn't come off that way.
But again, that's just me beinglooking in and just knowing
like what I see, have seen orknow.
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The next thing, really quickly,is just the Nef Campbell is back
on scream seven, which I'm Imean I'm not going to watch but
I guess get your bad girl Donlimit.
Don Lemon lost to show afterone episode.
Elon Musk canceled it, which isjust so telling because Elon
Musk is always like diversity,is burning everything.
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And then you hire someone to doa diverse show and then you
decide to kick them off thatshow.
And then, lastly, kateMiddleton.
We found out that she's hadbeen struggling with cancer and
had to have surgeries done.
I hope that she gets well.
It's very interesting to me.
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The internet, you know, has beenreacting to this in a way in
which she has, I guess,essentially disappeared and
everyone's like, well, where isshe?
We don't know where she's at.
I just I didn't know reallywhat was going on until, like, I
did a little digging because,you know, it just comes up
across my timeline when peopletalk about things like that.
I'm not actively looking intowhat the Royals do, but then
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everyone's like, oh, she'sgetting a BBL and she's doing
this and she's doing it, andit's like you don't know what's
happening in this woman's life.
And I'm going to talk aboutthat a little bit later when I
talk about this Nickelodeonthing.
But like, it's just like,sometimes y'all just got to like
stay out of people's business,but until then, do your change.
That's all I'm gonna say aboutit right now.
But yeah, I did that under fiveminutes as of now, okay.
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So let's move on to the MediaLab titled House of Horrors, and
this is basically just talkingabout the first two.
Like I said in the beginning ofthe show, the first two
episodes of the Quiet Onsetdocumentary that is on Max right
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now through, I think it is Idid ID discovery, investigative.
I said ID discovery, I mean IDchannel, but investigative
discovery is the name of the IDchannel, and so I broke things
into at least like three maintopics, because I Feel like
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these areas stuck out to me whenI was watching the first two
episodes like things that likeoverarching things or type
topics, I will say like thatoverarching topics that were
that stood out just in terms ofputting them in a category of
social impact or Some kind oflike social issue that is
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High-lit in the first twoepisodes.
I just want to say too that,like I don't know how everyone
like Bench this, because as amillennial growing up watching
this, it just it was.
So it was a lot.
There were sketches I doremember that they played, that
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were, and now that I'm an adultI'm like, yeah, this is fucked
up.
Like why would you do that?
Like why would you have a childdo that?
A lot of the shows I watchedwere they talked about all that.
They talked about the Amandashow, they talked about Double
dare.
They talked about On air dare,which was one I didn't watch.
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I don't know why I didn't watchthat one.
Again, I didn't have cable allthe time, so a lot of what I was
watching was like Fox kids orWb kids, what was that channel
like?
17 and Philly, what else?
Pbs Dates like I was watchingJerry Springer, mari, like shit.
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I wasn't supposed to bewatching, because we've always
had cable like, and whenever Iwould go to my grandma's house,
like that's when I would get towatch the shows I wanted to
watch.
Or If we did get like some kindof cable package for a year or
something like that, we'd havecable for the year but the next
year we might not have cable.
So it wasn't like I was everglued to Disney, cartoon Network
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or Nickelodeon Growing up.
It wasn't really until myteenage years where we had cable
consistently and by that pointit was like late 2000s.
So I wasn't really checking for, you know, any of the shows
really I was maybe watching,like I currently, and that's
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pretty much it.
Honestly, when I think about itoff the top of my head, because
I was watching the grassy andall of those shows on the end
more so than I was watching whatwas it more so than watching,
like Nickelodeon at that point,and SpongeBob as well.
So those were mainly the showsI was watching and no late 2000s
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.
But the first thing I guess Iwanted to talk about was the
gender inequality and bias,gender biases and sexism
Misogyny on the show or well, onthe set more so, and I guess on
some of the shows as well.
But the Idea that the two womenwriters had to split their
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salaries, yet the white men weregetting promoted left and right
, wasn't surprising to me.
I Feel like it also wasn'tsurprising for the women writers
to say that, that they feltlike they had to accept that
because, essentially, what DanSchneider did was manipulate
these women into thinking thatlike no one's gonna hire you
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Because this idea that likewomen aren't funny, which is
interesting.
I had to take a sip, which isvery interesting, because Even
in the late 90s, like we saw alot of women More front and
center.
We saw Zina, we saw a Buffy, wesaw the charm sisters.
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God, who else?
Oh, my god, felicity was likeanother show.
Eventually, amanda Bines wenton to do all about you.
That was like another one.
Like that was leading herSabrina, the Teenage Witch.
So it was like very interestingto hear that perspective that
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women aren't funny.
And then you think about some ofthese shows and the idea that
the Lee writers were white men,josh Whedon particularly, and I
remember which harmed.
My god, I can't remember hername.
She was like one of the headeither.
She was one of the heads of theshow and then eventually she
(22:06):
got let go around the time apage came on the show and what's
his face?
Brad, something I think.
Don't quote me on it, butsomebody, just some man, took
over and that's why I feel likethe show kind of got terrible.
Like all of it was basicallyfor me with Charmed, not to you
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know.
So I tried too much, but was itstarted to become too like man
obsessed for me, like that's theonly thing that where Charms
starts to lose me is it was lessabout their bond as sisters as
the series went on and they allended up becoming more tied into
their relationships with men,which is why I kind of feel like
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Charmed could have maybe endedat like season five, not gonna
lie, but any who?
It doesn't surprise me that inthe background, there were
literally these like genderbiases and wage inequity Issues
that were going on and the ideathat, like you know, you would
even hire women to write onthese shows.
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It's like clearly you need awoman's Perspective, you need
something like or I don't knowif you're trying to meet some
kind of quota for diversity orSet like I don't know if that's
what it is or If it was justagain, cuz it's like, well, I
hire women, like that's whereyou know I come in at.
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I think it's weird to not hirewomen because I Don't know, like
a room full of men is a littleIntimidating, even for me as a
man.
Like a room full of women feelslike a room full of just one
person or one type of person isWeird to me.
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I feel like diversity doesmatter and it does Allow for us
to create ideas that are verygood, and I think that that's
why a Lot of these shows doreally well is because there are
you know there were mixed bagof people and it wasn't like
there was not really diversity.
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Sometimes there was likediversity for diversity's sake,
but it did mix it up a littlebit when you saw like a woman or
like a girl or Someone that wasblack or of a different, you
know, ethnic background.
Like it just made it a littlebit more inclusive.
Whether or not like it made adifference on the actual shows
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is kind of very like it reallydepends on the writing.
Like.
To me it made sense that, likeon Buffy or charm, there wasn't
any black characters becausethey lived in California and
like the suburbs Maybe not.
I mean charm was weird becauseit was like it was San Francisco
, like that was a little weird.
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But Buffy was like the middleof like nowhere is sunny Dell,
california, which is like asmall town.
So to me that didn't reallybother me watching the show but
like charmed at times I was like, huh, you have this one black
cop that's like sometimesfeatured.
That's weird.
I'm asking the one Writer to actout.
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The sodomy thing shouldn't haveeven been a thing that came up
in a writing room, a Like one,you know, a writing room that's
focused in a children's show orchildren's narrative or
perspective.
That's weird.
I can also understand why thewomen were like Didn't
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immediately say no, I can't, youknow, do this or I Quit.
You know, because again, it'slike as a writer, especially
back then I mean it still is now, but like really, especially
back then, it was like reallyhard for women and Individuals
that were not white cis men toget Jobs in Hollywood, like that
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.
Like a lot of people weretypecasted as actors, a lot of
people were, you know, had todeal with shitty conditions,
because it's like, well, if Idon't do good on this, then like
, that's it Like you.
You feel like you blow, youblew your shot and that's
unfortunate, that sucks, and Ithink it sounds like to me like
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an outsider looking in.
Dan Schneider knew this andreally took advantage of it and
that's We'll get into him in alittle bit, but that was like I
did.
I was like taking it back.
I was like wow, and then thecrew also had to be expected to
work 24-7, went under contract,which to me is barbaric as hell
(26:55):
because not good, because Ithink the one writer says she
went to the movie Writer saysshe went to the movies With some
friends or something and gottentrouble for that.
That's like fucking weird to me.
Like why would you get introuble for something like that?
You like you should be allowedto live your life, especially on
the weekends, especially with aTV show.
If, like, you have a dedicatedwriting time or Everyone has
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their like individual parts thatthey're maybe coming up with,
or skits and things like that,and I'm like, okay, if I'm done,
I'm done.
You know I still need to doother things.
Or, you know, connect with thepeople in my life.
So that was barbaric, is a shit.
I thought the Amanda Bynes thingcoming up Was obvious, like I
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knew it was coming.
I feel like it was a littleweird to talk about her, with
her not being included in thedocumentary and for her to not
give her own opinion on what wasgoing on in the background,
because a lot of it was justspeculation.
A lot of it was, you know, shehas this connection with him and
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you know she's holding hiswaist and she's, you know,
rubbing his back and all of thisand that, and it's like, well,
okay, but like she also didn'thave a chance to Tell what was
really going on.
And I think that thisdocumentary, which was made to
be informative to the public, toadd layers of speculation of
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life, hmm, we really wonderwhat's going on there.
It's like you don't, like noone asked her, like no one.
You know, dot, hey, like youknow, are you cool with us
saying anything or how do youfeel about that?
Like it just was.
It leaves so much likespeculation when we know, at the
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end of the day, ra, almost aRob Schneider, dan Schneider did
so much stuff to these childrenand like the people that worked
for him and None of it wasreally like incriminating, like
that's I.
That's the thing that kind ofblows my mind, like he should be
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under the jail, quite frankly,but he's out walking around
still, you know, in business andthat's like very Wild to me.
And then also, too, is, I think, intriguing as well, because
for me, amanda Bynes was one ofthe funniest actresses, I think,
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when Nickelodeon at the time.
For me, I think that she's likereally funny, talented and
interesting.
I also feel like there's justso much that has happened to her
that we don't know and I justfeel like it's like unfair to
speculate.
Considering her history of likemental health and you know what
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it's, maybe like what the mediaexposure has done to her like I,
I Can't imagine, you know, whatshe must feel like watching a
show like this and ourdocumentary like this and not
having her say and like whatHappened.
And then also the fact thatthis could be something that
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re-traumatizes her and makes herfeel like she has to say
something or has to relivesomething she wasn't ready to
talk about.
It almost feels like Forcingher hand to do something in a
way or to say something, orbecause then again, like that's
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what people are doing.
People are now speculating welloh Well, it makes so much sense
why she's just like so messedup because, like you know she,
or why she looks different now,or why she's acting different
and why she's talking different,because All of this stuff
happened to her and you know,and it's all speculation.
It's like Anything could havehappened, like literally
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anything.
Like she was pretty much in herprime around the time, you know
, when she started breaking intoFilms and like things like that
, and Anything could havehappened.
It could have not been theNickelodeon Stuff or it could
have been, you know, that couldhave been like a small part of
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what you know led to her Havingthese like breaks in her mental
health, and so, again, I justthink it's not fair to label or
address that stuff without hersay Because she's a grown woman,
she you could, you know, shecould talk about it, she could
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do it, you know, whatever shewants and she doesn't want to
address it.
That's also fair, like I don'tfeel like any of these
celebrities owe us anything.
I think it's interesting whenthey do give us a glimpse into
what's happening or peek behindthe curtain, because, you know,
I think it's insightful forpeople to understand that, like
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these shows and the media, thisis what happens behind the
scenes.
Like everything looks Happy andfun on the surface and it's
like in the background you are.
You know these people aregetting abused, you know.
So it's very interesting Towatch and I also thought the
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interesting thing about this ismy last thing under the gender
kind of topic is the ideals ofthe two archetypes of girls and
women in Hollywood and how theyget portrayed.
You know the idea that you couldbe this sweet girl and you know
you Play by the rules and youknow this is just one form of
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who you are.
I think of like Shirley temple,for example, like that's what
comes to mind for me.
Or like a Dorothy, the girl.
That's like very sweet, very,you know, innocent, that
archetype.
And then I think of like thesexy you know that's the other
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one they talked about, the sexyarchetype of.
You know, I Don't know, I can'tthink of sexy archetypes off
the top of my head.
But like what is the girl name?
Betty, betty Boop, yes, orwhat's another one?
Oh, no, you know my brain istired.
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If someone could think ofanother one, let me know off the
top.
Who would y'all say is a sexyarchetype?
I really want to know.
I Guess prior to like the 90s orin the 90s Phoebe Hallowell
maybe, but like, I feel likethat's the thing about.
The thing about and this iskind of gonna be my point of you
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know, amanda Bynes, is thatshe's like the third thing, like
the funny girl.
She's the one that is funny.
She's pretty, you know.
Of course she's not overly sex,sex Sexified.
I guess when Nickelodeon fromwhat I remember, of course they
had her doing sexual things oryou know, all of the kids were
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doing things that were, you know, quote-unquote, sex related.
Or you know the end in Jewwindows of sexual behavior.
But like it wasn't, it was moreso.
She was like the funny girl.
You know, the girl that wasfunny, that could tell a joke,
which is ironic, considering Dansaid that women are funny, but
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that's him.
But yeah, I feel like in the 90sthey've really started to
create more of a Slew ofarchetypes for women and that
women could be more than justeye candy or Just more than you
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know the way in which men havealways portrayed them, to be
like Buffy, for example.
You know, she's just a girlthat you know, is given these
powers that make her Superstrong and super fast and super
agile and athletic, and menstruggle to keep up with her,
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and that's something that we'venot really seen too much of in
the media up until that point.
So, you know, the women, thecharmed girls they also, you
know, are another example ofthat.
I keep using those but, like,those are examples that are
really at the forefront of mybrain.
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But, like you know, they usetheir power to fight off demons
and warlocks.
And a lot of those warlocks anddemons were male and you know,
it was almost like they wereboth a slave to their Love lives
and to the patriarch patriarchyin some ways.
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But then they also showed waysin which they were able to use
their powers to, in their, youknow, sisterhood, to Advocate
for the greater good and forthemselves.
So I think the 90s, the late90s, really did begin to create
these women that were just multiFascinated and
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three-dimensional, you know.
But that's it for the Sexismraces were moving into the
racism, but racism reallyquickly, because I don't have
too much to say, but it didn'tsurprise me one bit on a
documentary that they talkedabout racism, or that was a,
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that was something that came upbecause I truly believe in my
heart of hearts that blackpeople are always going to be
kicked to the side by societyuntil we unify and become our
own force against the system.
It doesn't matter what cultureit is.
You know, you would think thatlike as as Interesting then I've
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someone said this but like,white people are really the
minority in the world, which iskind of Interesting how they've
somehow dominated the zeitgeist,so to speak, of culture and the
way in which they're able to Be.
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Yeah, I don't know, I couldtalk about this like maybe on a
different episode, but it's justlike really interesting how,
like white people have createdthis thing for themselves where
they want to oppress everyone,but then it's like they also
want to be a part of theiroppression and At the same time,
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take everyone else's rightsaway.
Like that, to me, is weird.
That is very weird to me.
It doesn't make sense to me.
You know, again in the UnitedStates, like I feel like If
you're non-white, you're, youknow and you're in like the
non-white versus white, likeyour non-white is the majority.
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Yet they run the country andand Everything has to go by, go
through them, you know, and thenyou go to other countries like
China or Anywhere like in theworld, and it's like you get
called a nigger monkey by anAsian person, or you know A
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Latin person or another blackperson like that.
You know an African person thatmaybe feels like, you know, as
a black American you're lesser,you know, so it to me just feels
like as a black person thatlives in America with the you
know, I guess, of ethnicity, ofAfrican-American or whatever.
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I feel like Until we do our ownshit, like it's gonna keep,
this is gonna keep happening.
And at the same time I alsofeel like we still need to
advocate for ourselves when it'sall said and done, like I think
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that the listening to the storyabout Brian, her knees mom and
how you know him and his momkind of fell out because of the
misunderstanding between whatshe was noticing and you know he
was noticing, and then alsothis like feeling of I might be
(40:10):
further in my career if itwasn't for my mom, you know, if
she had just like kind of keptquiet, then I wouldn't be fired
from the show.
Like that's fucked up andunfortunately, you know, dan
Schneider did that, like a whiteman put that divide between a
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black mother and her son sopretty heavy to talk about or
identify.
But I Is just somethinginteresting that I've known that
I noticed watching the show andI also just feel like a show
with primarily white cast andcrew is gonna somehow Result in
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some form of racism.
I already kind of spoke aboutthis, but, like the idea of
having to have diversity, italmost feels like more appealing
if, like, you're not included,instead of like including
someone and then sending themthrough the ringer just because
(41:14):
of who they are like, who theylook like, what their
experiences are like that aredifferent from yours.
Like that's just very odd to me, odd behavior, and it bothers
me to just add diversity fordiversity sake.
Also shout out to like GiovanniSamuels.
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I love her, like she's like evengrowing up, like I kind of I I
mean, I identified her with herbecause she's black, but like it
was nice to kind of See hertalk about the things that she
noticed once that andexperienced as well you know,
being on the cast of all thatbecause it's just a lot, like
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it's a lot and I think that aspeople you know continue to come
forward and talk about things,I think more and more is just
gonna unfold in the long run.
Again, I was really happy thatBrian's mom spoke up and I think
that she may have saved himfrom a lot of grief in the end.
I think at the time he didn'tsee it that way, which was, I
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mean, as a kid I agree like Ifeel like I've been like mom,
you fucked up my chance.
But then you find out all ofthe other things that happened
to the other kids on the showand you're just on the well,
different shows and you realizeyou're just like well, damn,
like I Guess my mom was lookingout.
You know it wasn't that you'renot determined, was it felt like
maybe she was being a pain, butlike damn, like she was looking
(42:50):
to fuck out.
So what else?
I think that's it for the race,part of what I just noticed or
wanted to talk about.
And then the last one is justthe child abuse.
And I would say like, if youare like trigger warning, I
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maybe should have put a triggerwarning on some of this already.
But trigger warning, I feellike if you are very sensitive
to Discussions on like childabuse and like sex acts and
things like that, I woulddefinitely skip ahead.
I'll probably spin like no more, I'm gonna like put a timer one
(43:34):
no more than 15 minutes and I'mgonna watch the timer.
All right, so, jumping in, Ifeel like it was way easy, like
way too easy, to manipulate theparents and to doing a lot of
the things for their kids, likesaying yes to producers and
staff when they should have saidno Again.
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Because I think that it's easyto guess like parents and
manipulate.
Manipulate them when you appearnice on the surface and you are
Saying that everything's on theup and up.
You know it's very easy toappease a parent if they can
garner some sense of trust outof you, and I feel like that's
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the downfall for a lot ofparents and children that are in
the industry is that you can'tbe too trusting.
I think it was interesting thatAmanda Bynes's parents Did say
no to a lot of stuff.
That was like they were tryingto like, like not too much,
because like they also weretrying to control her career and
(44:40):
you know we're very close withDan and working with him and
getting you know her, her ownshow and you know, then moving
her to like all about us and youknow she Kind of suffer.
I mean she did suffer a littlebit from the hands of both of
them, in that sense of they weretoo Invested in her career as a
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child actress and they did lookout when it was like we don't
want her dating some older guy.
You know the story aboutBrandy's mother.
I can't remember her mom's nameoff the top of her head, off
the top of my head, but thisstory of her mother Wanting to
be in the industry when she wasa little girl and then her mom
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not letting her be in theindustry so she let Brandy be in
the industry, was Heartbreakingbecause I feel like a lot of
times parents don't talk totheir kids about the reasons why
they don't let them do thingsand they just say no, and so
that creates this, like you know.
Well, I'm gonna do it for mychild.
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If my child asked me and thenend up in a situation like this
that her mother, like the momdid not like fully warn her
about, of what could happen, youknow, if I were to let you be a
child actress and this sickindustry, you know I Feel like,
(46:12):
let me see.
Yeah, I just kind of feel likethat's mainly why, like you know
, brandy ended up in thatsituation was cuz like Her mom
didn't have this like fullunderstanding of.
Like this is what comes withthe industry.
Like not all the times.
Like there are people they getout and they're pretty, you know
they don't have to face traumaor you know abuse because
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they're around, actual, likegood adults, good people.
But there are so many cases ofchildren like facing abuse by
Some adult that you know theirparents supposedly trusted, not
even just in the industry, butlike in the end world, like our
world in general.
Like this happens all of thetime.
Also, fuck Jason Michael Hardy.
(46:59):
There's so many people outthere like him that are just
disgusting, like pedophilesbehind a scene, like that
journal entry or those journalentries rocked me because he
just so openly admitted to beinga pedophile and then keeping
those zip lock bags like it likeMakes me want to like throw the
(47:20):
fuck up.
You know it just was so sickand nasty and just to be like
smiling him like people's facesand Trying to come off as this
good guy.
When it's like in the shadows,you're really the Boogieman.
Like you are the boogieman.
Like that is terrifying.
I Also wanted to just quicklyjust say to that, like the Abuse
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that Jeanette McCurdy, you know, talked about her book, which I
discussed in my podcast Titlenote, and I, you know, released
that back around the time thebook came out in August 2022.
I Think it's interesting that,like you know, it at like, some
of the things that thesechildren had to go through
(48:10):
echoed what her sentiments wereand, you know, like her mom
forcing her to, you know,participate in things that she
didn't want to do Once said, orbeing like, well, I trust Dan to
, like you know, help and dothings and yada, yada, yada, and
then, you know, guilting herinto being like, well, you are
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the provider for this family andit'd be a shame if, you know,
you lost your job and you know,I just feel like there's so many
other stories that are likethat that you know I'm only two
episodes in and could have maybehave happened, but I do applaud
her for, like, opening the doorat least to talking about the
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things that children, like childactors, have to face, and I
think that having to be aprovider for your family Is a
lot like, that's a lot to put ona child like.
That's to me, kind of abusewithin itself.
You know, I feel like it'ssomething that, should you know
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there needs to be somemonitoring or something like
something needs to.
Like there needs to be somebodythere to be like, like a
non-biased person to just sayyes and no to people, because
you end up in situations likethis where you know kids are
feeling uncomfortable BrianHarney talked about that with
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wearing the leotards and thatyou know he felt very
uncomfortable, and then how thelike noses on his outfit look
like penises, which they do.
So it just to me like remindedme that like again, you know
children aren't.
That's a heavy burden to put ona child to tell them that they
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need to be the providers fortheir family.
Like that is a lot.
The physical abuse on TV shows,like on air dares, like eating a
scorpion, the drowning of likesugar and coffee on all that.
Like I remember that watchingthat and thinking it was funny
at the time, but like inretrospect, my you know, with my
(50:23):
grown adult brain, I'm likethat was really fucked up
because you know, first of all,a child drinking coffee is crazy
and then to be drowning in it,like choking on coffee and sugar
, is disgusting.
I couldn't imagine what that'slike.
I'm very curious to see whatDrake Bell says about his
(50:47):
experience.
I'm not to that part yet.
I think that's where part twoends.
Part two ends with him comingout to talk about his you know
to go into part three to talkabout his experience with
Nickelodeon and I avoided theinternet, like talking about
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that, because I rather hear itfrom him.
And just speaking of that too,like the pickle boy stuff like
did seem sus to me with BrianPeck.
I it was interesting being akid and seeing him on TV and
being like, oh, he seems like agood guy and he seems like just
(51:30):
weird.
And I'm like, is it you got toreally look out for the weird
guys?
Is that what it is?
Because I'm like I couldn't putit, put my finger on it.
I was like, okay, the picklething was weird, like my parents
would talk to me about.
You know how the media wouldtry to influence children on
certain things and how therewere like these sexual innuendos
(51:56):
that you don't really pick upone as a kid.
It's just funny as a kid, likeyou're not looking that into it,
but you know to be like I don'tknow to have kids just around
this man like Frankie Munez,like you know, eating a pickle.
You know all of the all thatkids eating pickles off of this
(52:18):
man's tray, and then the glorywhole thing with Ray Romano like
that was weird, of course,because Ray is like moaning as
he's eating this pickle, whichis very sexual.
Looking back again, I didn'tSome of these things I feel like
I missed because I wasn't,didn't know, I didn't always
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have cable again, you know.
So I feel like it's one ofthose things where I really
missed some of the things thathappened.
But yet finding out he was asex offender was just like like
disgusting, like who can youtrust anymore?
Like if you can't trust, likepeople that are around, like
(53:03):
literally around children, likepeople that are adults, like you
think that people are screened,you know, you think that people
are on the up and up and thereality of it all is is that you
just never really know someoneand that's scary, that is very
scary to not know who your kidsare around.
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And there are so many thingslike not even just in media, but
like crime dramas or not crimedramas, but like crime podcast.
I'll say where kids maybe goover, you know, to their
friend's house and their friends.
Dad ends up being like a childmolester or kids are just
(53:49):
walking down the street and youknow the guy that with the weird
van you know just so happens toroll up and drag the kid into
the van and it's like, oh, beinga kid is hard.
Like that shit is very hard.
You're just trying to live yourlife, just be regular, just
have fun, see your friends, youknow all of that good stuff.
(54:11):
And then you have people likeolder people that know better,
creeping on you like that isdisgusting.
I feel like you really can'ttrust anyone in the media.
Like for sure, I will say that.
And then also to the John WayneGacy thing like I just would
have been calling the policestation right then and there,
(54:31):
like pen pal, pen pals with JohnWayne Gacy is so beyond me.
Like he sent you a photo, likea clown photo of him.
No, I'd have been on the phone.
It said Rocky, I'd have beenlike you know, we, we out of
here.
Like I can't do this and I feellike that's the thing too.
(54:53):
Like I will say that a lot ofpeople need to just start
speaking up, like when they seestuff, because it's just it'd be
so obvious sometimes and I justcan't, like it's too much.
So see, we have three minutesleft.
I feel like that's pretty muchit, like I don't have too much
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else to talk about.
And just in regards to the childabuse stuff, I just think it's
like really interesting howpeople might say things like oh,
they're always, you know,tearing into, like the black man
, like R Kelly or Blinken orlike other black child abusers,
(55:40):
but him specifically, they'relike oh, he's tearing down,
they're tearing down a black man.
It's like no, like this,literally like their white men
that are out here that are doingthe same thing.
There are people, there arewomen that are out here doing
the same thing.
People are terrible to children.
You know, we try to pretendlike and I say we, the universal
(56:01):
, we but like try to pretendthat you know children are the
future and you know children arethe leaders of the world and
this set any other, and blah,blah, blah, and it's like,
behind closed doors, you'rehurting them, you're hurting
their development, you'recausing harm, you're not sorry
for it Like you're, you know,you just keep doing it like you
(56:23):
admit to writing it down in ajournal.
So it's like do you?
You don't really mean it like.
That's just where, to me, itcomes off as it's, like you
don't really mean it, you don'treally care if you know you got
caught or if you get caught, theidea or the fact that that man
was like Jason, Jason Hardy, waslike sending, like inching his
(56:44):
way into Brandy's life and justlike sent her a photo of him
masturbating.
Like that is sick, like youneed to be in hell, like
literally under the hell,because what makes you think
that like that's okay, and thenit traumatized her to do that
(57:06):
and that her mom, not at thetime like doing the steps of
like reporting it, reporting thebehaviors that she was noticing
.
It's like you got to like speakthe fuck up.
I'm going to just go into myfinal thoughts segment Now
because I feel like I covered alot.
(57:28):
I just want to kind ofhighlight to that.
I asked a couple of my followerswhy is my followers on IG?
If you're not following, gatherthem, pod.
Definitely go follow, but Iasked them to leave comments or
what they wanted to say aboutthe documentary.
One of the followers, scorpioAntic, said we should have more,
(57:48):
we have to be more diligent asa society about the signs of
petapiles in our midst, andthat's my point to like.
Very true.
We need to be like, when we havethat gut feeling or something's
not curling over, remove yourchild.
(58:09):
Or if it's like blatantlyobvious like you say, your pen
pals with John Wayne Gacy I'mlike you need to maybe call
child line and just be like, hey, this person's not, it's not
curling over for me, you knowjust to sweep it under the rug.
(58:29):
Or you know you might havesaved your child but you might
not save the next one.
And that's the unfortunate partabout the speaking up thing,
like whether or not you feellike, okay, if I take my child
out, like that's fine, but ifyou don't speak up, it's like it
almost feels like youinadvertently put someone else,
(58:53):
someone else's child, in danger,which I don't know.
I don't know how you reallylive with that.
Or if you care, you know, Idon't know if people care, but I
feel like I would feel somesort of guilt by not saying
something if something happenedto someone else's child when I
(59:13):
knew there were signs or I wasable to point them out, because
there's no telling what hasalready been done to children,
if this man is giddy like JohnWayne Gacy, like if he's giddy
to show you a photo he got fromor not.
John Wayne Gacy, brian Peck isgiddy to show you a photo that
he's gotten, or picture he'sgotten from John Wayne Gacy and
(59:36):
he's bragging about being penpals with a child murderer like
and sex abuser like.
That, to me, is a big shiningin your face red flag.
There's no way around that,none whatsoever.
My other followers shout out tomy girl, deondra hers is Her
(01:00:02):
handle is XO underscore DeondraKiera.
She said there needs to be asocial worker, slash advocate,
on set with children, anotherStatement I completely agree
with.
I feel like Once set, you know,if I was on set I'd be dialing
down one one immediately, like Iwould be on the phone like Get
(01:00:26):
these, like pack them up, getthem out.
I Feel like Dan Schneider,particularly, was able to get
away with so much because hedidn't, like I said earlier,
outright leave, physically puthis hands on, or I'm Send like
naked photos or you know thereweren't reports of him like
touching kids inappropriately.
It was just that he was able toget away with as much as he did
(01:00:49):
because he had like the peoplearound him doing all of this
stuff like it wasn't like hehimself needed to do it.
He was able to manipulatepeople and gaslight people and,
you know, intimidate andblackmail people, but he wasn't
the kind a person and that'slike the scariest part of it.
(01:01:12):
Like you can do all of that andthen have your, the people
surrounding you, doing thethings like doing the actual
acts of harm to people, and thatis that's frightening.
I think that him you knowAllowing people the opportunity
(01:01:33):
to you know abuse children andthen like cross some of the
boundaries of Things that arenot outwardly, that are weird.
Like things that you would likeyou're not gonna.
Fucking Like you're not gonnaask a child that you don't know,
like that, for a neck massage.
Like you're not gonna ask achild to Like if a child grabs
(01:01:58):
your waist and you don't knowthe child, like you're not gonna
be like Just standing therewith the child on your waist,
like that's weird.
Like I would just be like whatthe like?
That's fucking weird.
Like you're not, they're likemom, you're not, they're dead,
you're not anyone related tothem that's fucking weird.
And then to be asking for headmassages and like Spending
(01:02:23):
special time with kids like no,mm-hmm.
Off the table Immediately.
Be like there needs to be atleast two adults Like around a
child, a group of adults.
Every single time a scene ishappening because and no, going
to the dressing room.
No, like Secret, you know we'regoing to get ice cream together
(01:02:46):
.
Nope, we all gonna go.
That's, that's just it.
That's that's just it.
Um, parents included.
Like we're not telling theparents to Leave the room, we're
not telling the parents like no, we're not doing it, like they
got, like everybody's got to beinvolved, um, that, that is just
like so.
And that's again the thing forme.
I'm like I don't understand howpeople were able to just binge
(01:03:09):
um this documentary because,just reflecting, I feel Myself
like I feel stupid, almost, um,not too much, but like I feel
Like as a kid, like I have to, Iguess, compartmentalize, but
like, as a kid, like you don'treally know what's happening at
the time, you think that, again,you're supposed to put your
(01:03:30):
trust in adults.
You're told, as a kid, tofollow the rules and you're told
to um, abide by, like, what theadult says and you're supposed
to stay in a child's place.
And I think that At the time,these tv shows were also
encouraging us to Create a selfof like responsibility.
(01:03:53):
That is like you don't needyour parents around or you don't
need your parents to be like Totell you what to do, or you
don't need your parents for help, um, and you know, have this
go-getter attitude of you, knowthat you're self-sufficient
without your parents.
So I feel like those idealswere very instilled in us
(01:04:16):
through those tv shows.
Um, any idea of like we someonehad made this comment on the
documentary but like, just theidea of like not having Parents
around really on a lot of theseshows, like I think about.
I mean, rugrest was a cartoon,but I think about that.
I think about the amanda showlike her dad was like goofy as
(01:04:37):
hell falling down because helike Lost his toe or cut his toe
, got cut off, her mom's just upin a blimp somewhere flying
around.
Um, on the moody show, likethat was weird being in the hot
tub with dan schneider, likefucking weird, like you know.
(01:04:58):
So I just feel like it's itmade you almost feel like or the
goal feels like it was tryingto make you feel like you're one
of the adults, like you're oneof the adults in the room you
are.
You have a place, um, at thetable, and that's dangerous
because you're very prone tobeing manipulated as a child.
(01:05:20):
You're very prone to abuse, um,mistreatment, disrespect.
Like you don't know what isLike up and down as a child,
like you don't really know untilyou have a fully developed
brain and I don't know what isacceptable and what's acceptable
, you and I See I don't want itand also.
(01:05:50):
So just to kind of just saylike.
Also, my other thought was justlike I just felt like even with
my parents, like when myparents went around, I just was
like I Don't know, I just feellike I was.
These were like the adults thatwe're watching us, if that makes
sense.
Like you were watching theseshows With these adults that
(01:06:14):
were supposed to be the modelsof like what a good adult is.
Like a good adult is someonethat you know they have a good
relationship with a child, theyare mentors, they are Figures
that you feel like you can go toor be around and feel safe.
(01:06:34):
And it's like you get this peakbehind a curtain and you just
start to see that like that'sfalse In a lot of ways.
Like you're not safe aroundeveryone.
You're not.
You know you're not Able totrust everyone.
You know you have to.
Trust is earned, even forchildren, trust is earned.
(01:06:56):
We have to account for the factthat children are Allow to be
Mistrustful of adults.
They're not.
They don't have to Just respectsome adult because you say they
do.
You know, and that's what a lotof kids are told and that's
(01:07:18):
unfortunate because, again,children are you know.
As you learn and you grow, youknow you have to learn it for
yourself.
If that makes sense, you haveto learn it from yourself and it
starts with your parents and itstarts with you know your
immediate circle of liketeachers, maybe your friends,
(01:07:40):
parents, like it takes a village, like it really like.
When people say it takes avillage to raise a child, it
really does take a village andTo have a monster in that
village, I feel like you need tocut the Head off before it
(01:08:03):
continues like before oranything further happens.
When you recognize the signs oryou see the signs like there's
sometimes dead in your face thesigns and children won't see
that because children arechildren like I don't understand
how people put so much onchildren To just know everything
(01:08:24):
.
It's like your child, you don'tknow everything.
You didn't know everythingwhere you were a child, so you
can't expect a child to knoweverything.
I also just want to kind of sayto.
Lastly, the Dan Schneider.
I think he is a narcissisticloser and I don't even care if
he was bullied as a child.
They tried to say that at firstthat like he was bullied as a
(01:08:46):
child, he was lesser than in hisfamily, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
But threatening, blackmailingpeople, abusing people is
Disgusting, and then especiallythat edit layer of you know,
children who were innocent andall of this and it just it's
just so disgusting, honestly,like I don't even have any other
(01:09:07):
words to really say.
I think that Him with the fakeapology of you know, I'm sorry
that this happened and you know,whatever, I don't, I didn't
even listen to the apology, butall I know is that I just feel
like you're sorry because yougot caught.
Everyone's sorry, the producersare sorry because they got
caught, they got exposed and andit's public now and that's how
(01:09:30):
I feel about that.
I feel like no one's reallysorry, because if you were sorry
, you would have stopped a longtime ago.
That's kind of the whole pointor you would have said something
Specifically when it startedcoming up.
You would have said I made somewrong choices, you know I made
some wrong, but again, likepeople that are wrong and you
know that are in thesesituations, are not going to
(01:09:52):
admit when they're wrong.
So that's kind of when thatthat you know lies.
What else, what else?
I Was gonna talk about someother stuff, but I think I'm
pretty done.
I do want to say, like it isinteresting again that Jeanette
McCurdy kind of I mean, thiswasn't like just her Starting to
(01:10:15):
talk about this and that's whatopened the door, what you know.
They were kind of working onthis, you know, before her book
came out, but I think thatwithin recent like her being the
first to put a book out and andtalk about this openly and then
for them to put thisDocumentary out that they've
(01:10:36):
been working on for a few years.
I Think it's like spreadingawareness of, like what is
happening behind in Hollywood.
I remember Hearing about whenShirley Temple was growing up in
the industry and how she wasfaced with abuse in the industry
(01:10:57):
.
Brian Singer, you know, abuseda bunch of people, kids in the
industry we're currently talkingabout Diddy abusing kids.
You know, having kids at sexparties, like serving, or you
know, serving drinks and likebeing trafficked allegedly.
(01:11:20):
I guess it's just veryInteresting that there's just so
many people and so many storiesin the industry that people
would even question that this isfalse.
Like to me, it feels like, okay, I have to believe it.
Like I have to believe it ifmore than one person is saying
(01:11:42):
that it is true, because whywould everyone make up the same
story Like, why would everyonehave such a visceral response
when talking about their trauma?
Why would they feel like thisheavy Feeling of overwhelm and
(01:12:04):
guilt and sadness and shame?
You know, like when the onewriter was talking about you
know how she had to.
You know, perform that sodomy.
Like what would look like.
You know to perform sodomy infront of that group of men.
It's like you have to believethese stories because who would
(01:12:24):
make this up?
Like who?
No one wants to be abused.
Like no one wants to claimabuse.
You don't get anything out ofthat.
Like you, if anything, itbecomes more of a thing of like
oh, you asked for it, or youknow well, why did you stay?
Like you get all of thesequestions and why would someone
put their livelihood on the lineif these things weren't true?
(01:12:49):
That's what I just always comeback to and that's the way I
feel about it.
Again, I wholeheartedly believethere are so many other stories
and I'm very interested in andhearing them come out.
I'm also very interested in,you know, if people want to just
kind of stay quiet about it.
(01:13:09):
I think that you know this is atime where people are, you know
, becoming exposed for who theyreally are and this, like
separation from Hollywood, islike already maybe starting to
begin.
Doesn't feel like it, but Ithink, as more stories start to
come out and people start to seepeople for who they really are,
(01:13:31):
it can't just be that, oh,they're all just trying to ruin,
you know, the black man or they.
You know they're always tryingto, you know, keep someone down,
or they're always trying toexpose someone, like it's.
It can't Be that.
It has to be that these peopleare really doing the things that
(01:13:52):
they're doing and Whether ornot you co-signed it as a person
by sticking beside them, that'sgoing to be very telling.
Or If you're going to say, well, fuck this, I guess we're done,
you know, with the bullshit.
So that's it for the show.
If you would like to give anyfeedback or insight, feel free
(01:14:16):
to write those letters orresponses together them pod at
gmailcom or you can send them tome via Gather them pod on X or
IG.
That's where I'm at.
Next week I'm going to talkabout episode three and four,
but I I'm not sure if I'm goingto be as extensive as this, as
(01:14:39):
this was pretty heavy of a topicand I feel like I Don't know,
like I feel like it's a lot andI feel like I've said a lot
about how I feel about this, butI am interested in talking
about some of the thoughts of orthings that have happened to
Drake Bell his own history ofAbusing minors because I feel
(01:15:04):
like that happened as well.
Now I feel like I believe itdid happen as well, because
Someone has said something onsocial media that reminded me
that he was an abuser and I waslike, oh yeah, I forgot about
that.
And then also the dynamic oflike why people feel like Josh
(01:15:27):
peck needed to say anything likethat was weird to me.
Again, it goes back to like theKate Middleton thing like I
think that's weird that y'allyou know Said she was like
getting a BBL Meantime.
She almost died like that'sfucking weird, but whatever,
anyway, that's it.
I felt like this was good, youknow, to talk about now, because
(01:15:50):
, as a millennial that grew upon these TV shows.
This is a lot.
It's a lot.
It's a lot to talk about, and Ialso just feel like, as a
social worker, being able tokind of sit back and watch
people tell their stories isimportant, and also providing
(01:16:12):
support and resources to peopleis important as well.
So I'm interested to see theremight have been a couple things
on there about like whatNickelodeon has tried to do for
the families or something, but Idon't know, like I just feel
like it's just not gonna beenough.
Like it's not gonna be enough.
There needs to be resources now, more resources now for
(01:16:35):
individuals that face childabuse or Gender, racial, sexual
biases in the workplace,identity biases in the workplace
and all of that, all of thatjazz.
So that's it for me.
I hope everyone has a goodweekend and I will talk to
everyone next week.
I cannot wait to go to bed.
(01:16:58):
But peace out, girl scouts.
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