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Steve (00:03):
Hi everyone and welcome to Gay a, a podcast about
sobriety for the LGBT pluscommunity and our allies.
I'm your host, SteveBennet-martin.
I am an alcoholic and I'mgrateful for my husband's full
and new moon ceremonies thathe's resumed this year.
As of this recording, I am 596days sober, and today we're
welcoming a guest to share theirexperience, wisdom, and hope
(00:23):
with you.
Welcome.
Thanks for having
Nate (00:26):
me.
Steve (00:27):
Yes.
And why don't you introduceyourself to the listeners.
Nate (00:31):
Of course.
My name is Nate.
I'm from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
As of today, I believe I am.
Lemme pull that up.
I am 904 days sober.
Congratulations.
So, yeah.
Primarily a meth addict, butI've been abs seening from all
substances since July 20th.
July 24th, 2000.
Steve (00:52):
Congratulations.
And what have been some of yourfavorite hobbies or things to do
that you found in sobriety or
Nate (00:59):
rediscovered?
Well when I first thought ofthis my initial like funny
answer was sleep.
Mm-hmm.
Because that wasn't something Iwas doing a whole lot of when I
was in active eviction.
But I'd actually say being ableto focus on things for an
extended period of time issomething I've really loved
being able to do.
Whether it's like reading abook, watching a movie, even
(01:20):
holding a conversation, spendingtime with family and friends.
Being able to have that abilityto just focus and dig in on
something that I didn't havewhen I was out there using.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Steve (01:33):
Excellent.
And then why don't we jump intoit.
Tell us a little bit about whatit was like with your battle
with alcohol and other.
Nate (01:41):
of course.
So a little bit about mybackground.
I, I grew up in a veryconservative small town in
Wisconsin.
And even before I started usingsubstances I was running from
who I was, whether it was beingin a closet whether it was
overworking myself, whether.
feeding my feelings or focusingon losing weight or overdoing it
(02:03):
with school commitments orfixating on the problems of
others.
I was letting my perception ofwho I felt the world needed me
or wanted me to be shape mylife.
When I moved to Minnesota in2014 with my ex-husband I took
on.
And after several years of thatI just was getting to a point
(02:24):
where I was, I was burnt out.
I didn't know what to do, and inthat moment I get introduced to
drugs.
And that began about three tothree and a half years of drug
use.
Running from everything.
Spiraling more and more.
I tried getting sober a handfulof times.
I went to some meetings and thenI ended up not really committing
and falling off and going.
(02:45):
I tried getting into treatmentand ended up like even getting
to the point of filling outpaperwork and then just not
showing up.
Like I'd do my intake and then Ijust wouldn't come.
Mm-hmm.
And at that point I just keptgoing back and forth, back and
forth and I remember there was apoint in, I think it was summer
of 2019.
(03:06):
I was hanging out with somebodyI was, I was using drugs with
and we were talking about whatwe wanted in life.
And I said that I really wantedto be able to hold down a stupid
job eventually have kids.
And how, especially with the kidpiece, I needed to get sober
before that happened because Idid not want to bring a child
into a house for those activeeviction.
(03:27):
Mm-hmm.
and this person kind of lookedat me and they were like, well,
how old are you?
Well, you gotta, like, you gotmaybe one or two years before
you need to like, get your craptogether and like fix things.
Mm-hmm.
And I remember writing a journalentry that fall about how I
really did need to figure thingsout now.
It took me several more monthsbefore I actually decided to
(03:49):
take any action.
And in, I think January orFebruary of 2020, I was like,
I'm gonna taper down my.
I, I want to be done by the timeI turned 34 in July, and so I, I
wanted to control everythingmyself and I felt I could manage
it.
And so I bought fancy littlebags and I wrote encouraging,
(04:13):
like statements on it and hadlike tapered down amounts,
clearly labeled from likeJanuary through July.
And I gave my, my ex-husband, ormy husband at the time, the key
to the safe where all these werekept.
Now, did I follow through onthis plan?
No.
The moment I was hitting acraving and the moment he was
(04:33):
out of the house, I went andfound the key and gotten to the
safe and used up most of thesupply that was in there.
So that didn't work, but I feellike the intention and the seed
was planted because the morningof my 34th birthday was when I
hit rock bottom.
I.
we were in a tight financialbind, largely due to the fact
that I was spending as muchmoney as I could on drugs.
(04:54):
I was withdrawing.
I was very grumpy, and I wasgetting ready for work, having
some ideations out loud.
Basically talking about how Iwanted to, you know, just end my
life and how it wouldn't matter.
And then I'd say, oh, no, Nate,you don't like pain.
You don't, you're not gonnaleave that.
And I was going back and forth,back and forth.
My partner at the time was alsodealing with some mental health
(05:15):
stuff and heard that piece andtold me I could not leave the
house.
I could not go to work.
And then if I tried to leave forwork the police would be called
because I needed to be aroundsomeone.
So I went and took a nap.
I was very angry and cause Ifelt like this was, you know,
another moment when I'm callingto work because of my use
(05:36):
mm-hmm.
and I wake.
Hearing police officers in thehouse coming to check on me.
And I just, I was so done.
I was so exhausted and I said,look, I'm an addict.
I need to get help.
This is what's going on.
The officers ended up leavingand then I called and scheduled
(05:57):
by intake for treatment thatafternoon.
I had about four days at homeduring which I was a very, very
angry person.
Isolating a lot.
And I started treatment thatFriday, July 24th at a L G B T Q
treatment facility here in theTwin Cities.
Pride.
And yeah, that's, that's when Igot in.
(06:19):
I let me see here.
Yeah, I, I was stubborn and I ama stubborn person.
And so when I went intotreatment, I was dead set that I
would go all in.
I would do it a hundred percentbecause my rationale was that if
years down the road, months downthe road, weeks down the road,
if I relapsed.
(06:40):
I didn't want to be the one atfault.
Mm-hmm.
it would be ev it would besomeone else.
And I, as I was coming up withanswers to this question, I
realized, you know, coming up ontwo and a half years later,
that, that was yet again, metrying to deflect blame mm-hmm.
In the moment.
Thankfully in my case, thatactually worked in my favor in
(07:02):
that early recovery stagebecause my stubbornness to not.
Helped me dive in.
And also I was just too tired.
I had been using for three,three and a half years, and I
was too tired fighting itanymore.
So I allowed myself some time aswell as Grace.
I did about 60 days ininpatient.
(07:23):
Instead of moving back home, Imoved to a sober house and did
four months of outpatient whileliving.
I chose to stay in sober livingfor two years, five months.
Was able to address things in mylife and figure out who I was
and fight for that.
That meant taking a serious lookat everything in my life,
whether it was my careerchoices, my relationship
(07:46):
choices, I ended up switchingcareers.
Ended up going to counselingwith my husband at the time, and
then amicably chose to divorcefor the health of both of us.
And I chose to take a break fromdating that first year as well.
I've worked a program sincethen.
I've done the NA steps and an AAsteps.
I have a sponsor.
I sponsor others.
(08:06):
And I'll have two and a halfyears on January 24th.
So I think at 10.
And I now live with my partnerwho's also someone in long-term
recovery and his five-year-oldkiddo.
Steve (08:16):
Oh, excellent.
And with all of those positiveoutcomes, what would you say are
one or two of your favoriteparts of being sobered
Nate (08:22):
today?
So I thought a lot about thisone, and the thing that really
came up is I've been able torecover joy in my life.
That was something that was notpresent when I was using.
and I got glimpses of it earlyin recovery.
Mm-hmm.
And as time has gone on and asI've continued to work this
(08:44):
program and, and work on myself,I find more and more I have
chances to just have unfiltered,innocent joy.
Mm-hmm.
And it is a wonderful feelingthat I never thought I'd feel
again.
And so I'd say that's probablythe biggest.
and then I'll like, I'll circleback to my answer earlier and
just say, getting like fullnights of sleep.
Mm-hmm.
is wonderful.
(09:05):
Yes.
Steve (09:06):
No, I understand.
I sleep like a baby in sobriety.
I always joke with like theacronym halt, like I always am
avoiding feeling tired, sothat's why I nap now.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And how do you feel yoursexuality played a role in your
Nate (09:21):
addiction?
Well, I would say it, it playeda huge role.
on the surface.
The Chemsex community is, ispretty serious when it comes to
gay males especially.
Mm-hmm.
And so having those twoco-occurring addictions walk
hand in hand was pretty, it'spretty common and it did not
(09:43):
escape me either.
And I think also recognizing theinauthenticity that drove my
addictive tendencies.
Also fed into that quite easilygrowing up in conservative
environments we've become reallygood at dishonesty as a survival
mechanism.
And so that just like, oh, I've,I've done this before.
(10:05):
And so that definitely did playa role in my addiction.
Steve (10:10):
Yeah, for sure.
And how has that change asyou've entered sobriety and
recovery?
Nate (10:17):
Well I would say I had to recognize that this is
multifaceted.
Mm-hmm.
It's not just about removing asingle substance from my life
and continuing as I always have.
As I mentioned, sex addictionwalked hand in hand with my
Matthews, so I had to also takea really deep look at the role
of sex in my recovery.
And for me, that meant someserious self-reflection and
(10:39):
approaching sex in a completelydifferent.
when I was out using and when Iwas hosting sex parties, there
was this constant never endinghunt for the next hookup and my
next fix.
I mean, it was nonstop andconstant.
So then really having to look inmy recovery at not just
addressing the addiction tosubstances, but also the
(11:01):
addiction to sex.
If I wanted to experiencelong-term.
Steve (11:05):
Yeah, I can certainly imagine.
And what are some practices thatyou're using in your daily life
to help keep you sober now?
Nate (11:14):
So I would say routines when in active addiction my
routine was pretty set.
It evolved around that.
And so now it's figuring outwhat, what I need in my
recovery.
And so making sure I have timeto work out regularly, get
enough sleep make sure I havetime for self.
Make sure I'm able to practicemoments of being comfortable in
(11:35):
my own skin and with my ownthoughts and also have time with
family.
I also keep my one and two yearmedallions on my work desk so
that if I need to, I can grabone of'em and just hop into the
Serenity prayer if I need toground myself during moments of
stress.
Yeah.
And I found those, find those tobe really helpful.
Steve (11:53):
Yeah.
And as in terms of things thatcan be helpful for people,
especially when they're enteringearly sobriety or if they're
sober curious, what kind ofadvice would you give someone
like that?
Nate (12:03):
I would say give yourself the gift of time.
Mm-hmm.
Means the gift of being presentas you work on what's right in
front of you.
Also the gift of not rushing theprocess.
I invested over three years inmy addiction.
Mm-hmm.
and for me, I know it'll take atleast the same amount of time to
build a good foundation for myrecovery.
So I'd say the biggest piece isgive yourself time.
(12:25):
Like it's, it's, it's a journey.
It's a process to give yourselfsome room to breathe and just do
what
Steve (12:30):
you need to.
Yeah.
And no matter how we recover, wegenerally find bits of quotes or
mantras that we like to try andlive by.
Do you have any favorites?
Nate (12:40):
Well so I have several favorites.
My first is deeds, not words.
Mm-hmm.
I spent a lot of years gettinggood at saying one thing and
doing another.
Mm-hmm.
And practicing a program ofhonesty.
It's providing me the space towork on.
authentically and honestly, andwith integrity.
So I'd say that's a big piece.
And also just one day at a timeand being willing to do anything
(13:03):
to change your life.
I, the amount of times mysponsees probably rolled their
eyes at me when I come back withthese, these please cliche
phrases that I'm like, it works.
So yeah.
Steve (13:14):
Yeah, it definitely, they work for a.
And any last words of wisdom oradvice for our listeners?
Nate (13:23):
I would say, again, as cliche as it may be it does work
if we work it.
So give yourself grace andfigure out what working it looks
like for you.
Because while we have a commonstruggle our recovery journeys
look unique as to how we.
And so give yourself that timeto figure out what that looks
(13:44):
like for you and then work itseriously.
Steve (13:47):
Yeah.
Excellent.
Well, how can our listeners findyou if they wanted to follow you
online, anywhere?
Nate (13:53):
I'd say the easiest way would be on Instagram.
My handle is N P K R O G h.
Steve (14:00):
Excellent.
I'll be sure to add that in theshow notes.
And while you're at it, give mea follow at Gay podcast.
Stick around Nate for, we'regonna head on over to the post
show in just a moment.
But thank you for being here forthis part of the conversation
today.
Of course.
Nate (14:14):
Thanks for having me again.
Steve (14:15):
Yes.
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Until next time, stay soberfriends.
Hi everyone and welcome to Gay a, a podcast about
sobriety for the LGBT pluscommunity and our allies.
I'm your host, SteveBennet-martin.
I am an alcoholic and I'mgrateful for my husband's full
and new moon ceremonies thathe's resumed this year.
As of this recording, I am 596days sober, and today we're
welcoming a guest to share theirexperience, wisdom, and hope
(00:23):
with you.
Welcome.
Thanks for having
Nate (00:26):
me.
Steve (00:27):
Yes.
And why don't you introduceyourself to the listeners.
Nate (00:31):
Of course.
My name is Nate.
I'm from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
As of today, I believe I am.
Lemme pull that up.
I am 904 days sober.
Congratulations.
So, yeah.
Primarily a meth addict, butI've been abs seening from all
substances since July 20th.
July 24th, 2000.
Steve (00:52):
Congratulations.
And what have been some of yourfavorite hobbies or things to do
that you found in sobriety or
Nate (00:59):
rediscovered?
Well when I first thought ofthis my initial like funny
answer was sleep.
Mm-hmm.
Because that wasn't something Iwas doing a whole lot of when I
was in active eviction.
But I'd actually say being ableto focus on things for an
extended period of time issomething I've really loved
being able to do.
Whether it's like reading abook, watching a movie, even
(01:20):
holding a conversation, spendingtime with family and friends.
Being able to have that abilityto just focus and dig in on
something that I didn't havewhen I was out there using.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Steve (01:33):
Excellent.
And then why don't we jump intoit.
Tell us a little bit about whatit was like with your battle
with alcohol and other.
Nate (01:41):
of course.
So a little bit about mybackground.
I, I grew up in a veryconservative small town in
Wisconsin.
And even before I started usingsubstances I was running from
who I was, whether it was beingin a closet whether it was
overworking myself, whether.
feeding my feelings or focusingon losing weight or overdoing it
(02:03):
with school commitments orfixating on the problems of
others.
I was letting my perception ofwho I felt the world needed me
or wanted me to be shape mylife.
When I moved to Minnesota in2014 with my ex-husband I took
on.
And after several years of thatI just was getting to a point
(02:24):
where I was, I was burnt out.
I didn't know what to do, and inthat moment I get introduced to
drugs.
And that began about three tothree and a half years of drug
use.
Running from everything.
Spiraling more and more.
I tried getting sober a handfulof times.
I went to some meetings and thenI ended up not really committing
and falling off and going.
(02:45):
I tried getting into treatmentand ended up like even getting
to the point of filling outpaperwork and then just not
showing up.
Like I'd do my intake and then Ijust wouldn't come.
Mm-hmm.
And at that point I just keptgoing back and forth, back and
forth and I remember there was apoint in, I think it was summer
of 2019.
(03:06):
I was hanging out with somebodyI was, I was using drugs with
and we were talking about whatwe wanted in life.
And I said that I really wantedto be able to hold down a stupid
job eventually have kids.
And how, especially with the kidpiece, I needed to get sober
before that happened because Idid not want to bring a child
into a house for those activeeviction.
(03:27):
Mm-hmm.
and this person kind of lookedat me and they were like, well,
how old are you?
Well, you gotta, like, you gotmaybe one or two years before
you need to like, get your craptogether and like fix things.
Mm-hmm.
And I remember writing a journalentry that fall about how I
really did need to figure thingsout now.
It took me several more monthsbefore I actually decided to
(03:49):
take any action.
And in, I think January orFebruary of 2020, I was like,
I'm gonna taper down my.
I, I want to be done by the timeI turned 34 in July, and so I, I
wanted to control everythingmyself and I felt I could manage
it.
And so I bought fancy littlebags and I wrote encouraging,
(04:13):
like statements on it and hadlike tapered down amounts,
clearly labeled from likeJanuary through July.
And I gave my, my ex-husband, ormy husband at the time, the key
to the safe where all these werekept.
Now, did I follow through onthis plan?
No.
The moment I was hitting acraving and the moment he was
(04:33):
out of the house, I went andfound the key and gotten to the
safe and used up most of thesupply that was in there.
So that didn't work, but I feellike the intention and the seed
was planted because the morningof my 34th birthday was when I
hit rock bottom.
I.
we were in a tight financialbind, largely due to the fact
that I was spending as muchmoney as I could on drugs.
(04:54):
I was withdrawing.
I was very grumpy, and I wasgetting ready for work, having
some ideations out loud.
Basically talking about how Iwanted to, you know, just end my
life and how it wouldn't matter.
And then I'd say, oh, no, Nate,you don't like pain.
You don't, you're not gonnaleave that.
And I was going back and forth,back and forth.
My partner at the time was alsodealing with some mental health
(05:15):
stuff and heard that piece andtold me I could not leave the
house.
I could not go to work.
And then if I tried to leave forwork the police would be called
because I needed to be aroundsomeone.
So I went and took a nap.
I was very angry and cause Ifelt like this was, you know,
another moment when I'm callingto work because of my use
(05:36):
mm-hmm.
and I wake.
Hearing police officers in thehouse coming to check on me.
And I just, I was so done.
I was so exhausted and I said,look, I'm an addict.
I need to get help.
This is what's going on.
The officers ended up leavingand then I called and scheduled
(05:57):
by intake for treatment thatafternoon.
I had about four days at homeduring which I was a very, very
angry person.
Isolating a lot.
And I started treatment thatFriday, July 24th at a L G B T Q
treatment facility here in theTwin Cities.
Pride.
And yeah, that's, that's when Igot in.
(06:19):
I let me see here.
Yeah, I, I was stubborn and I ama stubborn person.
And so when I went intotreatment, I was dead set that I
would go all in.
I would do it a hundred percentbecause my rationale was that if
years down the road, months downthe road, weeks down the road,
if I relapsed.
(06:40):
I didn't want to be the one atfault.
Mm-hmm.
it would be ev it would besomeone else.
And I, as I was coming up withanswers to this question, I
realized, you know, coming up ontwo and a half years later,
that, that was yet again, metrying to deflect blame mm-hmm.
In the moment.
Thankfully in my case, thatactually worked in my favor in
(07:02):
that early recovery stagebecause my stubbornness to not.
Helped me dive in.
And also I was just too tired.
I had been using for three,three and a half years, and I
was too tired fighting itanymore.
So I allowed myself some time aswell as Grace.
I did about 60 days ininpatient.
(07:23):
Instead of moving back home, Imoved to a sober house and did
four months of outpatient whileliving.
I chose to stay in sober livingfor two years, five months.
Was able to address things in mylife and figure out who I was
and fight for that.
That meant taking a serious lookat everything in my life,
whether it was my careerchoices, my relationship
(07:46):
choices, I ended up switchingcareers.
Ended up going to counselingwith my husband at the time, and
then amicably chose to divorcefor the health of both of us.
And I chose to take a break fromdating that first year as well.
I've worked a program sincethen.
I've done the NA steps and an AAsteps.
I have a sponsor.
I sponsor others.
(08:06):
And I'll have two and a halfyears on January 24th.
So I think at 10.
And I now live with my partnerwho's also someone in long-term
recovery and his five-year-oldkiddo.
Steve (08:16):
Oh, excellent.
And with all of those positiveoutcomes, what would you say are
one or two of your favoriteparts of being sobered
Nate (08:22):
today?
So I thought a lot about thisone, and the thing that really
came up is I've been able torecover joy in my life.
That was something that was notpresent when I was using.
and I got glimpses of it earlyin recovery.
Mm-hmm.
And as time has gone on and asI've continued to work this
(08:44):
program and, and work on myself,I find more and more I have
chances to just have unfiltered,innocent joy.
Mm-hmm.
And it is a wonderful feelingthat I never thought I'd feel
again.
And so I'd say that's probablythe biggest.
and then I'll like, I'll circleback to my answer earlier and
just say, getting like fullnights of sleep.
Mm-hmm.
is wonderful.
(09:05):
Yes.
Steve (09:06):
No, I understand.
I sleep like a baby in sobriety.
I always joke with like theacronym halt, like I always am
avoiding feeling tired, sothat's why I nap now.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And how do you feel yoursexuality played a role in your
Nate (09:21):
addiction?
Well, I would say it, it playeda huge role.
on the surface.
The Chemsex community is, ispretty serious when it comes to
gay males especially.
Mm-hmm.
And so having those twoco-occurring addictions walk
hand in hand was pretty, it'spretty common and it did not
(09:43):
escape me either.
And I think also recognizing theinauthenticity that drove my
addictive tendencies.
Also fed into that quite easilygrowing up in conservative
environments we've become reallygood at dishonesty as a survival
mechanism.
And so that just like, oh, I've,I've done this before.
(10:05):
And so that definitely did playa role in my addiction.
Steve (10:10):
Yeah, for sure.
And how has that change asyou've entered sobriety and
recovery?
Nate (10:17):
Well I would say I had to recognize that this is
multifaceted.
Mm-hmm.
It's not just about removing asingle substance from my life
and continuing as I always have.
As I mentioned, sex addictionwalked hand in hand with my
Matthews, so I had to also takea really deep look at the role
of sex in my recovery.
And for me, that meant someserious self-reflection and
(10:39):
approaching sex in a completelydifferent.
when I was out using and when Iwas hosting sex parties, there
was this constant never endinghunt for the next hookup and my
next fix.
I mean, it was nonstop andconstant.
So then really having to look inmy recovery at not just
addressing the addiction tosubstances, but also the
(11:01):
addiction to sex.
If I wanted to experiencelong-term.
Steve (11:05):
Yeah, I can certainly imagine.
And what are some practices thatyou're using in your daily life
to help keep you sober now?
Nate (11:14):
So I would say routines when in active addiction my
routine was pretty set.
It evolved around that.
And so now it's figuring outwhat, what I need in my
recovery.
And so making sure I have timeto work out regularly, get
enough sleep make sure I havetime for self.
Make sure I'm able to practicemoments of being comfortable in
(11:35):
my own skin and with my ownthoughts and also have time with
family.
I also keep my one and two yearmedallions on my work desk so
that if I need to, I can grabone of'em and just hop into the
Serenity prayer if I need toground myself during moments of
stress.
Yeah.
And I found those, find those tobe really helpful.
Steve (11:53):
Yeah.
And as in terms of things thatcan be helpful for people,
especially when they're enteringearly sobriety or if they're
sober curious, what kind ofadvice would you give someone
like that?
Nate (12:03):
I would say give yourself the gift of time.
Mm-hmm.
Means the gift of being presentas you work on what's right in
front of you.
Also the gift of not rushing theprocess.
I invested over three years inmy addiction.
Mm-hmm.
and for me, I know it'll take atleast the same amount of time to
build a good foundation for myrecovery.
So I'd say the biggest piece isgive yourself time.
(12:25):
Like it's, it's, it's a journey.
It's a process to give yourselfsome room to breathe and just do
what
Steve (12:30):
you need to.
Yeah.
And no matter how we recover, wegenerally find bits of quotes or
mantras that we like to try andlive by.
Do you have any favorites?
Nate (12:40):
Well so I have several favorites.
My first is deeds, not words.
Mm-hmm.
I spent a lot of years gettinggood at saying one thing and
doing another.
Mm-hmm.
And practicing a program ofhonesty.
It's providing me the space towork on.
authentically and honestly, andwith integrity.
So I'd say that's a big piece.
And also just one day at a timeand being willing to do anything
(13:03):
to change your life.
I, the amount of times mysponsees probably rolled their
eyes at me when I come back withthese, these please cliche
phrases that I'm like, it works.
So yeah.
Steve (13:14):
Yeah, it definitely, they work for a.
And any last words of wisdom oradvice for our listeners?
Nate (13:23):
I would say, again, as cliche as it may be it does work
if we work it.
So give yourself grace andfigure out what working it looks
like for you.
Because while we have a commonstruggle our recovery journeys
look unique as to how we.
And so give yourself that timeto figure out what that looks
(13:44):
like for you and then work itseriously.
Steve (13:47):
Yeah.
Excellent.
Well, how can our listeners findyou if they wanted to follow you
online, anywhere?
Nate (13:53):
I'd say the easiest way would be on Instagram.
My handle is N P K R O G h.
Steve (14:00):
Excellent.
I'll be sure to add that in theshow notes.
And while you're at it, give mea follow at Gay podcast.
Stick around Nate for, we'regonna head on over to the post
show in just a moment.
But thank you for being here forthis part of the conversation
today.
Of course.
Nate (14:14):
Thanks for having me again.
Steve (14:15):
Yes.
And listeners, you can head onover to our Paton page and
listen at patreon.com/gaypodcast and be sure to follow us
wherever you're listening so youcan get new episodes when they
come out every Thursday.
Until next time, stay soberfriends.
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