All Episodes

August 1, 2025 9 mins

From Punk Folk to the Perfect Click: Decoding Jason Barnard's AI RevolutionThis episode of "Generative Engine Optimization in the AI Era" unpacks a fascinating USA Today feature on Jason Barnard, a key figure shaping how brands are understood by Google and AI. Hosts explore Barnard's incredibly unconventional journey, which forged his unique, pragmatic approach to digital identity.

The summary begins with Barnard's early career touring Europe with a punk folk band, The Barking Dogs, where he built a record label and tour support system out of sheer necessity. This problem-solving mindset continued when he moved to Mauritius and co-created a hit children's cartoon, "Boowa and Kwala," which was picked up by Playhouse Disney.

The pivotal moment came when Barnard transitioned to digital marketing. Potential clients would Google his name, only to find he was the voice of a cartoon dog, a perception that cost him business and highlighted a critical problem: Google had the wrong understanding of who he was.

This personal frustration became the catalyst for founding Kalicube in 2015, a company dedicated to "teaching the machines".The hosts discuss how Barnard built the Kalicube Pro platform (with 3 Billion datapoints and proprietary tech stack - KaliNexus) to help brands control their narrative across the "Algorithmic Trinity"—search engines, knowledge graphs, and LLM chatbots.

The episode explains Barnard's core philosophy of "training the algorithmic child" through his "Claim, Frame, Prove" framework.The summary concludes with Barnard's forward-looking vision for AI Assistive Engine Optimization (AIAEO) and his stark warning: if you don't proactively manage your digital identity, AI will get it wrong, making it essential for every brand to engineer their presence to become the "perfect click".

Mark as Played

Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

Stuff You Should Know

Stuff You Should Know

If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.

The Joe Rogan Experience

The Joe Rogan Experience

The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.