December 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Wealth shows up first as a feeling, not a figure. We unpack how to live richly right now by choosing what truly matters, noticing everyday wonder, and investing in small luxuries that elevate daily life. From stories of growing up with little to the joy of upcycling and the magic of a moonlit sky, we trace how gratitude and intention can transform simple moments into lasting abundance.
We talk candidly about debt, lifestyle creep, and the pressure to keep up, then offer a calmer path: identify one or two meaningful upgrades that you’ll use constantly, and cut the expenses that don’t move the needle on joy. Along the way, we revisit childhood scenes—handmade prams as Christmas presents, picnics that felt grand, a water tower that became a castle in our minds—to reveal why presence, imagination, and laughter outshine price tags. You’ll hear how awe and mindfulness raise your baseline satisfaction and why that shift makes money decisions clearer and kinder.
If you’re tired of equating net worth with self-worth, this conversation offers a practical reset. Learn how to review spending by feeling, protect rituals that make you come alive, and build a “feel rich fund” for small treats that sustain momentum. The goal isn’t perfection; it’s a sustainable rhythm where finances support meaning, not the other way around. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a softer definition of wealth, and leave a review to help others find the show. What’s one small choice that makes your life feel richer today?
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Living a rich life.
Yeah, that sounds like fun,doesn't it?
Yeah, I was watching uh Netflixprogramme on it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's good that program.
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Yeah, I got questions.
And I thought we could chatabout that today.
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That's all we're gonna be talking about.
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Yeah, it does.
So let's get started then.
So, yes, how to live a richlife.
I was thinking about it becauseI mean, apart from the fact that
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it's so easy now to get intodebt.
Oh, you're actually talkingabout real financial rich life.
I thought this was gonna be likemore Well, it's both.
Both, okay.
But it's so easy to get intodebt to debt, and it's so easy
to accumulate so much debt thatyou feel as if that you you
could never live a rich life,like what the like what the
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program was talking about,because that was the financial
advisor giving advice.
Yeah, but it's also so easy tolike not realize what living a
rich life really is and how youcan live a rich life now without
actually being that rich, yeah.
Without being yeah, becauselet's face it, most people are
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just like average or low income.
I mean, there's not that manyreally rich people out there, so
yeah, I think I think I thoughtthe meaning of living a rich
life was like, you know, morelike w doing the best you can do
with the money you have, or justyou know, you know, enjoying it,
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I guess, enjoying your financialwealth and whatever, no matter
how much it is.
So if you've only got enough togo to the down to the coffee
shop and and order a coffee, youknow, sort of enjoy that moment
because it's special for youbecause you're spending I don't
know what on that coffee.
Do you know what I mean?
Well, I remember when I got mystudent grant, yeah.
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Um, because in those days,fortunately, we we got we got a
grant and we didn't and wedidn't have to pay back all the
debt happens.
And I remember thinking, gosh, Ifeel so rich.
Yeah, and I've got enough moneyto go and buy a coffee.
That's what I mean.
And it was such such a lovelyfeeling.
Well, us growing up poor, weknow what that was like.
We know what it was like to seeother people sitting at the
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coffee shops and just notbothering about you know having
a tea and a cup of coffee andand a cake, you know not
worrying about it costs, notworrying about it.
So when I remember when mumwould actually say, All right,
we're gonna go and sit down andhave a you know cup of tea, and
you get whatever you want, itwas like, wow, I would feel
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rich, you know, think gosh.
So yeah, maybe it's you know, Ithought really, it doesn't
really matter how much youractual income is, it's what you
actually do with that income ifyou can manage to live
experiences that that make youfeel rich, make you feel rich
inside and live a rich life.
Yeah, live um because what doesliving a rich life really mean?
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I suppose it's subjected to eachone of us.
Well, yeah, I remember mum usedto say things like, Do you want
to um go on holiday to Spainthis summer, or do you want do
you want the family to buy a newsofa because this one's shabby?
And we it was second hand, itwas like someone's it's someone.
It was somebody given it.
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It was definitely hand-me down.
It was a hat definitely a handydown handy hand-me down, or it
was just some some found on thetip at some point.
That one wasn't, I remember.
It wasn't, was it?
No, because then she was veryclever with her dressmaking
skills, so she would refurbishit all herself.
But in those days, people wouldput the they would get they
would hire a skip, do youremember, and they would get
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outside their house and theywould like throw their furniture
in it, things they didn't want.
So it was possible to get thingsoff a skip.
People would, yeah, yeah, wewould get things off a skipway.
We would, that's for sure.
And we were like littlescavengers, mum.
We fo we found a table.
Oh wow, where is it?
It's in the dip.
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I mean, that's that's how wegrew up, isn't it?
Office chairs, everything wewould find in the dip.
We would literally go there, butdid we feel poor?
Not really, not really.
When we found something in thetip, it was because we were so
much we would feel rich, wewould say, wow, we've just found
this.
I mean, what is the saying?
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You know, once man rubbishesanother man's gold.
And so when we found when wewould when we would go on
holiday, and we wouldn't haveanything that was that nice at
home, but when we would go onholiday, uh in the summer we
would come back having had ourlovely sunny summer holiday.
Since we would feel richcompared to maybe uh our little
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friends that hadn't gone onholiday, even though they might
but they had beautiful stuff athome.
Yeah, they might have lovely newprams and the toy prams, yeah.
Let's be specific.
That's what I wanted.
Yeah, because you wanted thatreal toy pram, didn't you?
The one you saw in the shop.
Yeah, yeah.
Then Dad made us the littlewooden ones which were adorable.
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They were, they were so special,really.
But the other kids down theblock were were jealous of ours.
They wanted the handmade.
They wanted the handmade littlebag.
I think that's because there wastwo of us, so we would be
prancing along really happy withthem.
Well, yeah, obviously.
And the little girl up the road,she was on her own, I remember.
Poor thing, yeah.
She wanted to wanted her pram.
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You wanted her ones, yeah.
She had a lot.
I can't remember wanting her onethat was.
You didn't care.
I didn't care.
You weren't as materialistic.
No, I don't think I wasactually.
I don't think I noticed thesethings.
Maybe I noticed it more becauseI was a little bit older.
Yeah, being being just beingmore conscious of it, maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah, being what yeah, maybe Iwas just like I don't know what
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I was up to.
Mum used to say I was a bit moremischievous, maybe I was just
running around more.
I don't know what I was doing.
I was cutting the flowers off bythe point.
Yeah, cooking flowers forcooking.
Anyway, the point is.
Yeah, we would make little mealswith these, yeah, for cooking
because it sounds like with thepeonies.
It was just a you know, justbake just just children, child's
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play.
Yeah, you would cook, we wouldcook with little flowers and
things.
Flower bias, yeah.
In the that was our distraction.
That was especially what Iremember liking doing.
Yeah, I would make tea with umwith earth and water and then
put it in this little toy teapotand serve.
But then my mum saw us do that.
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She gave us real tea, Iremember.
Yeah, I remember that.
And then I remember not washingthe teapot properly.
I remember the stink of thatteapot.
She would make us put our toysaway and it had the leftover
milk.
The powder milk.
I don't know.
I remember doing it to ourdollies.
SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Yeah.
Anyway, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:20):
This was what I mean is though what we're what we're
getting back to saying is thateven though we did grow up poor,
relatively poor, well, poor,yeah, definitely poor.
It was poor.
We had enough to eat, but it waspoor.
No, we were lucky we had enoughto eat.
Always enough to eat.
Always loads abundance of food,but there was poor in other
aspects.
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We did feel I feel like we liveda very rich childhood in the
experience, in the sense ofexperience, in the sense of um I
can't remember the lack, feelinglack.
I know because um for instance,Paul McKenna, the hypnotist,
he's uh he has an audio that'show to live your rich life.
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Rich life.
Yeah, I love that.
When I listened to it, he said,Imagine if you could have
anything you wanted, all therichness and all the rich
experiences.
And I always feel really blessedbecause I always think, yeah, we
had all those rich experiencesbecause mum made us travel, you
know.
Even in even if it was just wewent to travel to Switzerland,
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but it was a big deal in thosedays because people didn't
really travel that much.
So we've got to be able to dothat.
Well, we only went there becauseshe had a sister that was there,
so we could stay there for free.
And yeah, but it that was a richexperience, yeah.
Well, that was probably cost hera fortune, actually.
Well, she saved up a year,didn't she?
Yeah, to send us on an airplanealone, which she couldn't come
because it was too expensive.
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And she had to work, and she hadto work, so she sent us off with
our little passports in thoselittle plastic tags you would
have hung around your neck, andoff we went.
I mean, I was nine, you wereten, yeah, we were very little,
and uh yeah, that was a richexperience, actually.
Yeah, that was pretty amazing ifyou think about it now.
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So, what you can do is like evenif you don't if you're not very
wealthy, you can create richexperiences for yourself.
Like I mean, I remember justeven going on a picnic sounded
amazing.
I remember thinking I felt so itwas so like mum would be
special.
It was special, yeah.
She would just make her littletortilla di patata, which is
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like a Spanish omelette thing,and that was already special.
She would make it seem as ifthat was special, but it's just
potato eggs and onions, andyeah, and delicious, and that
was a whole faff aroundpreparing that putting in the
little basket, then going offdown to the park, it was just
down the road, but it seemedlike it was a very rich
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experience doing things likethat.
Well, yeah, I think they were.
I mean, they were rich becausewe had if you think about it, we
were having quality time with itwith our parents.
Yeah, you're right, and witheach other, and that is
something that that's rare, butthat's precious, isn't it?
That's precious, and it's free,but it's free, and it's not
really free because it's onlyfree if you could if you if you
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could afford to have the time.
She was able to do it becauseshe was working from home as a
child mind and we would have todo it.
And working at night as anaccelerator.
She would take us with thebabies as well.
We would all go together withthe little children, and for us,
really, she was working.
If you think she was working,she was minding the other kids,
wasn't she?
Yeah, the babies.
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But it seemed like it was timefor us, it didn't seem like a
chore.
No, it seemed like, oh, we'vegot all these lovely little
babies to play with and lookafter and be with.
It was special, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think you can I stillremember the squirrels in the
park.
I remember playing under thewillow tree, that the weeping
willow tree.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
I I always thought it was like magic when we would
go under that tree.
SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
It was like so special, you know.
And then there was a castle inthat park.
Do you remember it?
It wasn't a castle.
We used to call it a castle, butit was a water tower.
Oh, water tower.
Oh.
It's probably still in Croydon.
There's his water tower.
Yeah, I fantasized about, youknow, the wanted to go in there
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and thinking there wereprincesses in there.
It was quite steep.
It would climb up the I mean,those are experiences.
Well, it's like Rapunzel'sTower, really, wasn't it?
It looked a bit like that.
It did.
Because it had likeold-fashioned brick.
Very, very, very remote.
Wasn't like a new thing.
Oh no, no, it looked as reallyancient, very magical.
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The whole thing was extremely,it was like going into some kind
of film or something.
If you think about our childhoodnow, looking back on it, and
that's because it was based onperhaps having a parent that was
able to see another side of herlife as well, like our mum and
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our father as well.
They they weren't too involvedin the story that they were poor
immigrants.
They were more involved inlooking around them, enjoying
what they had, looking for richexperiences around them that
could make them feel feel sp.
You know, everything wasspecial.
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Finding finding, I mean, comeon, finding a sofa, a settee in
a rubbish tip.
You think, yuck, you know, no,oh wow, big claps, we were all
laughing, and it sounds as ifI'm making this up, but you
know, there's two of us, wereally live this.
I don't know that we were sohappy.
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I mean, I remember dad grumblingsometimes.
He was a bit grumpy.
He would get grumpy and then,you know, he would say, leave
it.
He would say, Leave it there,woman.
What are you doing?
But then mum would be able tofantasize how she was gonna
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redecorate it.
She would she would go, youknow, reupholster it basically.
She would re-upholster it withthe with the fine with the
cotton.
Yes, that would buy the that wasa rich life.
She would buy the wheel thestuff.
The tea was from the dumb, fromher dumb, or from the neighbour
or whatever that didn't want it,had it.
I mean, it was in a state.
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It was a terrible state, yeah.
She'd have to clean it, she'dhave to clean it and fix it and
everything, and but then shewould go to like Liberty.
Yeah, to Liberty's.
This was it.
She would go to the Croydon, butshe would get like Liberty type
fabric.
Definitely the finest.
Spend quite a lot of money onthat actually, when you're
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thinking about it.
But I suppose compared to whatuh an entire sofa would cost,
yeah, and then she wouldre-upholster it and then make
the matching curtains.
So the whole thing looked richin the end, it looked plush for
for us.
For for for us it looked for ourstandards, yeah.
The fact that she'd made it byhand made it all really special.
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Yeah, she made it special.
Yeah, so you can make thingsspecial.
I mean, anything can be special.
Anything I mean, and thinkingabout today's climate, uh, you
know, it's it was a really gooduh w way of like reusing and up.
Definitely, yeah.
So called upcycling stuffinstead of you know, one man's
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rubbish was another man'srubbish.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes, and yeah, well that's itwas very ecological as well what
we were doing in those dayswithout realising it, maybe.
Obviously, we did not realiseit.
No, there wasn't so muchawareness, but yeah, that is
living rich though, really,isn't it?
Well, she always used to say ifyou didn't have enough money to
save for what you really wanted,and then she likes she would
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really buy.
Do you remember she bought thatexpensive?
I mean, the rest of the kitchenwas a stake.
Oh my god.
But she bought that expensivecooker.
That's her way of living rich,you see.
So that's what we've learnedfrom from our parents is that
even though it's not much, youget one thing that that's very
luxurious, that's like makes youfeel rich and make that
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experience every time youexperience that thing is gonna
make you she loved it, didn'tyou?
I mean, yeah, I still feel likethat today because if I have a
lovely I don't want to dobrands, but my my lovely new
laptop every time I see I loveit.
Yeah, I can't help it, makes mefeel rich seeing that, even
though now I know I can affordit.
(15:34):
Yeah, but still it gives me thatsense, oh, when I see it and it
works so well and everything.
It's more like with techno withtechno I'm so amazed by it, or
even the phone, you know, whatit can do and everything.
It makes me feel rich.
Well, it is having privilege,it's a privilege, yeah, being
able to have things.
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Yeah, but other people wouldtake it for granted, I think.
I think that's one of the thingswe've learned off mum and dad.
Growing up poor.
Yeah.
But not just poor, but growingup poor with this rich
mentality, like this richenjoying it.
It was so deep.
Yes, the experiences were solike really.
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I think that really because likewe didn't, for instance, uh, in
the and I remember in the hall,we couldn't afford to buy a
carpet, but yet mum would go andbuy the best quality, like cut
of meat, not not super solarsteak on anything, but a nice
roast.
So that on Sunday we had a nice,you know, roast.
But we didn't have a carpet downthe stairs because she couldn't
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afford it.
Because she couldn't afford toget a carpet straight away.
She would put pennies.
Do you remember she'd have tosave up for it penny by penny
basically?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So pound by pound, yeah.
We always had like deliciousfood, it was always like make
the most of what you've got, butlike live rich, abundant
experiences in what she did.
Yes, yes, yes, that's true.
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Yeah, and that rubs off, doesn'tit?
And then she was veryappreciative, also.
Yeah, very appreciative, verygrateful.
So I don't know if she got thatfrom because she grew up with
that really rich aunt in Madrid.
Yeah, but yeah, because she camefrom a very poor family, and
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then she grew up into a she wastaken away, yeah, and taken to
her rich auntie.
She was ill.
I don't know.
It's like going into our family.
We're supposed to be doing we'resupposed to be doing a podcast
here, and it's just like, ohyeah, we're gonna have a chat
about our mum.
I mean, I hope you're gonna getsome benefit from this.
It's it's just talking about ourexperiences.
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This really is getting realbecause this is how we grew up.
Well, I remember as well or wecan share with you.
So I remember when I listened tothe Paul McKenna audio as well.
He says, in it, there's a piecewhere he says, This thief comes
in to steal all this man'spossessions of his house, and so
a monk.
So them or the man, the mansays, You can have it, you know,
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you can have all my possessionpossessions.
And then he sits in his emptyhouse and he looks out, and he
said, If only I could give himthe moon.
So he's looking at thisbeautiful moon, and he's
thinking, if only I could givethe thief this experience of
looking at the beautiful moon.
Oh my god, and it and that'swhat you can never give anyone
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the moon at all.
unknown (18:25):
Why did you talk about the moon?
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
I mean, I love looking at the moon.
Why?
I love seeing that full moon.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
I know.
You know, I'm almost Well then.
If you saw the moon yesterdayand then the podcast will go,
but yesterday, the moon was likesemi, it's it was a semi, semi,
semi, uh, what's it?
I don't know if it was crescenteor diminuishing or growing, but
it had Venus underneath it.
(18:56):
Gosh.
So it was absolutely expected.
It looked like a like almostlike a drawing.
The thing is, semi-circularmoon, and then it had the star,
the planet underneath.
You have to like sort of reallyappreciate those things or look
at them.
Take a moment to look at it.
Take it take a moment.
And that's where the wherethat's I think life comes from.
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If you cut, but you just can'tlook sometimes.
What do you mean you can't look?
Well, like some people don'twant to look.
They don't want to be in a Idon't think they don't want to
look.
I think they've never learned tolook.
It's something you have to havein the city.
You have to close your eyes andthen look open them again and
and sort of like be able toabsorb it because no matter what
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how many lovely things you havein front of you, if you don't
know how to absorb them, it'slike you can't really receive
them.
Or maybe you do receive them,but in a different way.
That's what I say in the end.
Like when I say I might tell myhusband, look at the moon, he
just says the moon, not the moonagain.
I've seen it before.
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I said, you can't tell me you'veseen it before.
Let's go outside and look at themoon.
And he said, No, I'd rather lookat you.
I say, darling, I appreciate youwant to look at me.
But if we look at the moon, inthe summer evenings, I can
convince him to look at the moonlike what you say, because I
bribe him.
I say, let's go out and have adrink or go outside.
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You've made me realise how Ibribe him with that, you know,
with that.
I give him like a treat.
I give him a treat.
Let's go and have a nice lollyoutside.
Let's go and have I mean hedoesn't really drink much, but I
guess if I offered him an amaror italiano or something, he'd
come out, you know.
But anyway, yeah.
It's always marvelled me but howit's it's just the way it's
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subjective, isn't it?
The way you see differentthings.
But maybe it's from if you growup with a uh with a this like
magical kind of yeah, magicalkind of childhood.
I mean if you have this kind ofmagic in your life where you
stop a moment to be mindful toactually look at things, yeah.
Um and how just to see you knowhow amazing things are.
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Because like the willow tree.
The willow tree.
I still remember the leaves,yeah, the squirrels.
Yeah.
The the the scent of the rosesin the summer.
I still remember walking up ourlittle road and then the roses.
Maybe it was more of an Englishthing.
People have seemed to be quiteappreciative in those days.
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Was it just our childhood?
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, people like gardening alot in England.
I think it's just that, yeah,that maybe it's that bit of a
nostalgic way of being of beinga bit just being a bit more
still and yeah, I don't know.
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I definitely think if you can bea little bit still and mindful,
then you can really enjoythings.
And and no matter what you'redoing, and no matter how much
you're actually earning at themoment or not earning, you can
still have you know experiencethat richness in your life.
The richness of because richnessanything is relative, isn't it?
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Because like if you go on apositive, yeah.
If you might think like ifyou're if you're more well off,
you might think like you know,like flying first class is like
amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (22:28):
Amazing, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
But if you if you if you've never done that just
flying any class, just yeah,just going on a plane.
I mean, it's absolutely amazing.
What happened to us when we wenton a plane, or even now when we
fly just normal everydayflights, you think, wow, we
still think we're in London.
I mean that and especially nowafter the the pandemic and
everything, you think you can ityou can appreciate things even
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more, I think.
Having freedom is already agreat richness.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah, very privileged.
Yes, yes.
It's uh I think it's a very ifyou open yourself up to living a
rich life, you'll notice howmuch richness you actually have
in your life.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
And what makes you feel rich.
SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
So when you're doing something, you become like a
little bit more aware of it andthink, oh gosh, yes, this makes
me feel rich in in in amultitude of ways because I'm
really experiencing it.
Hmm.
Is that right?
That's how I feel.
Well, I think so, yes, becausefor someone feeling rich might
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be to have like a luxurychandelier in their house or
something.
Oh, yeah.
We know a lot about that.
Yeah, we sell them.
We sell them.
We know a lot of people say, I'mreally saving up for this.
Yeah.
Sometimes I think, gosh, youknow, you really want to spend
like I don't know, 2,000 euroson this now when you're you're
saving.
(23:58):
I mean, we had I had a clientonce, we both, you know, she was
saving for ages.
Then her grandmother gave hersome money, and so well, then
she bought it.
So obviously, that's importantfor her to have a piece of you
know, Italian Murano glass,something special.
That was going to make her feelrich every day.
She looked at it, so you canunderstand why why you would
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want something like that, yeah.
Because it was something thatyou know, you really makes you
feel it's all about feeling,really, isn't it?
How you feel.
It's more about feeling thananything else.
Than being.
You because you can have youknow so much money in the bank
but not feel rich, yeah.
Or you can feel rich.
You can have so many assets aswell, not feel rich.
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Yeah, or you can just feel richby having one or two things, or
like what you said in the littlestory about the moon.
You can always maybe feel moreas if you want more as well, and
you're never rich enough, youcan feel you can get stuck stuck
in that in that feeling of uh oflack.
Yeah.
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Which is not really healthy.
It's not healthy.
No, that's that's a bit sad ifyou're in the stuck in the
feeling of lack.
That's what you see when you seethat you know the people that
are trying to keep up with otherpeople all the time.
With the journalists, with thenext-door neighbours, yeah, with
the society.
And maybe on social media aswell.
You're always trying to keep upwith someone else, and you never
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feel quite rich enough.
Yeah.
But most of the really beautifulthings in life are free.
Well, that that's what they say,and as cliche as it is, I think
you know, you reach our age andyou begin to realise it is
absolutely true.
And some of the things you buyare beautiful, like what I was
(25:47):
saying before, you know, a newcomputer or a new chandelier,
and you can really appreciatethem, but sometimes, yeah, just
having a picnic in the park andI don't know, doing really
simple things can having anafternoon to yourself.
Uh ha reading a book, having achat with a friend can be
(26:09):
precious.
And pr n there's no price.
And I think there's also noprice to like living a life
where you're not always worryingabout money either.
Like making sure that you do getyour finances in order as far as
as much as you can.
So that you can avoid thatanxiety.
Don't overspend on things thataren't really giving you that
(26:31):
much value.
You can you can like if youwant, you know, you can evaluate
them a little bit and think,okay, so I'm spending this
amount on this, I don't know,going out every Friday night or
whatever, and spending thisamount at restaurants, then I'm
doing this and this.
And you can think, how do thesewhen I do these things and these
(26:53):
activities, how do I reallyfeel?
If you if you're mindful of it,you'll realize it and you'll
say, No, that's really great.
It makes me feel absolutelywonderful.
Wonderful, it makes me feelrich, it's really important part
of my life.
Well, then you leave it.
But if it's not, maybe you canfeel rich in other ways.
You can think about it.
(27:14):
How what it what it actually isthat makes you feel rich.
I know.
It's weird, isn't it?
It is because it's so muchfeeling rich.
What is it?
It's not feeling happy, it's notfeeling sad.
You can have multi-billion.
Or does rich yeah, you know,we've worked with people that
are ultra-high net worth people,and they don't even feel that
rich because there's the nextperson five billion bought.
(27:36):
They're always talking aboutit's just a million, yeah,
whatever.
So yeah, it doesn't, yeah, itdoesn't really make that much
difference, no.
I guess it's if you have beenbrought up in a different way,
(27:58):
and and you feel you're alwaysin lack, uh, then I think if
you're aware of that, you canyou can you can work on it, you
can fix it.
You can fix it.
You can fix it by just startingto appreciate all the little
things that you've maybe beentaking for granted that you
didn't realise you were takingfor granted.
Having a good laugh is likepriceless, and if you find
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someone you can have a goodlaugh with, then I would say
never let that person go becausethat's that's that's being rich
for me.
Having a good good laugh, orjust sitting and watching a film
that makes you laugh at youknow, even that, that that's
rich.
Lovely, isn't it?
That's that's great, you know.
Because you sometimes you forgethow important laughter is.
(28:44):
Oh, yes.
The the older you get, you know,you find you you laugh less and
less.
Remember there was a time whenwe thought we didn't laugh much.
Yeah, I did.
It was before we started all ourstudies and our NLP and things,
and we were thinking, life's notthat funny anymore.
Just saying it, yeah, it soundsso funny.
SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
We did think that.
We did think life wasn't thatfunny.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know whathappened.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
I think we got stuck in the rut or something.
Stuck in the rut, and you haveall your problems.
I mean, everyone's got problems.
Yeah, you hear all theseproblems all the time health
problems, financial problems,the car, the the car, the house,
the kids, and or or the lack ofkids, because you want to have
kids.
Like I suffered from infertilityproblems that I was for years
(29:31):
and years doing IVF and blahblah blah.
So, yeah, and then sometimes youthink, well, life is hard, you
know, because it's it's not thatfun, it's not fun like I thought
it was, like you know, like thatmagical childhood kind of thing.
You know, then it if you live ifsomeone broke down that magical
(29:51):
childhood, I think, well, itwasn't that magical.
Exactly.
When you break it down, yourealise mum and dad were
immigrants, they were broke, wewe got everything was a struggle
for everything.
Was a struggle, terriblestruggle.
Mum would have to work nightshifts, and she would not only
do that, go out on a bike in thenight on a bicycle.
(30:12):
So that when we were little, Iremember thinking, you know, oh
my gosh, I hope she comes backokay.
I hope a bus doesn't run herover.
She was tiny as well.
She wasn't, you know, like wecame out more or less tall, like
our father, but our mum, she shewould like, if you if you can
see me like that.
My little Miss Pepperpot was.
Yeah, she was absolutely tiny,and she would go off at night,
(30:37):
she would say good night, put usto bed and everything, and then
say, Alright, Mummy's going towork now.
I would hate it.
I would just think, gosh, I hopeshe comes back alright.
And then in the morning when I'dhear her like little bike coming
back in at 6 a.m.
or whatever, I think, phew,she's come back and she's okay.
So yeah, it wasn't all roses andelves and fairies and making
(30:58):
little it there were struggles,there were struggles, yeah.
But somehow the richer part ofit came through.
Came through it, like envelopedit more.
It's it's it's what we chose tosee and perhaps what we were
taught to see more than theother.
We were taught gratitude,weren't we?
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We were taught to see that itseems silly now, but it's true.
We're deciding to have a laughnow.
No, it it doesn't seem silly,it's uh it was love and
gratitude.
(31:40):
It was, yeah.
And that's all you need, really,isn't it?
Yeah, it was like yeah, love andgratitude.
All our basic needs werebasically met most of the time.
Yeah, and when we didn't haveenough money to buy school
uniform, mum would make it forus and make out as if that was
super special.
Then you would remember you sayuh you would get teased for it,
but you know, you would say,Hey, you know, I have uh a
(32:04):
different school, schooluniform, whatever it would cost
you, mum's gonna call it schooluniforms, because literally mum
could not afford those.
They were they were expensive,those school uniforms.
You know, you'd have to have allthose little things, a little
hats and everything.
Well, we had to buy those.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
But anyway, yeah, we hope you're gonna go off and
live your rich life and thinkperhaps a little bit about yeah,
what makes you feel rich, youknow.
Yeah, and could be just buyingand do more of that.
Yeah, I mean, the other day Iwas asking my son, what is it
that makes you feel rich?
And he started looking at thepink salt of the Himalaya now,
Himalaya, and he said, Thismakes me feel rich because it's
(32:47):
like comes from so far away, andeven though it's not it's still
quite pricey actually to buy.
It's very pricey compared tonormal salt.
Compared to normal white saltthat's had, yeah, but you know,
even small things like that,that it's not gonna kill you,
it's not gonna kill your budgetto buy a packet of that if
that's what makes you feel rich.
(33:08):
Exactly.
It doesn't matter what it is,but you know, I think being
aware of it and spoilingyourself sometimes, you know.
With these kind of experiencesas well, is good to to let to
release.
To let you have a nice like cupof coffee on a nice terrace.
On a nice terrace, yeah.
Always remember when I wasyounger that I was always well,
(33:30):
I did do it, but it was likespecial.
It was special, yeah, and you'dappreciate it.
Yeah, definitely.
We still appreciate it now.
Exactly.
I think that's that's thesecret, really.
To never stop appreciatingalways feel a bit like what you
were saying the other day, a bitlike a student.
Still feel like a student now,and thank goodness we know we're
(33:52):
uh we're okay.
Fine, but I still I don't knowwhat it is, it's probably
because we grew up poor likewhat you say.
Yeah, I think so.
It never does quite leave you.
No, but I think it's a blessing.
I do believe it is a blessing.
It's like a bit privilegedactually.
You are, yeah.
It would be like the opposite ofwhat you would imagine.
(34:12):
Obviously, that's the kind ofI'm not saying you know, if you
haven't got food or no uh thekind of poor poor we experience
that it my mum and dad, I meanmy mum and dad might say, but
they were always grateful andhappy as well.
No, they were super grateful.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's not as if you know it'sluckily, you know, it was okay
(34:32):
for us, but obviously if you'reif you if you if you're is
struggling even more, it'sobviously it's not the same
thing and it's very difficult,but no, you can I think you can
you can still I think you canstill find children in the very
very poor countries thattraveled the lotes they're
(34:53):
happy.
I don't know if they're happybut they they they're very
cheerful and you said in some ofyour when you came like
hitchhiking when you didn't haveyou didn't even have any money.
That's the time I felt peoplewere to you.
I couldn't believe the sense offreedom, yeah.
Freedom and with no money to it.
Yeah, everyone was so generousto you.
They would just offer us mealsand uh everything, it was
(35:15):
wonderful.
It was dangerous never do it,but it was I mean, it was I did
it in those days, it was yeah,years ago in the 80s.
Yeah, and it was still quitedangerous coming over to the
Mediterranean countries.
That's yeah.
Anyway, let us know what yourexperiences are, and if you're
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living your rich life, and ifyou are struggling with debt or
anything, you know, I'drecommend you watch the Netflix.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Watch it, it can help you.
Absolutely.
And do come and say hello on ourYouTube channel as well, or on
Twitter or at Kept Real with theEnglish Sisters on Instagram.
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Exactly.
There's a lot of gratitude inthere as well, isn't it?
Oh yeah, yeah, they're veryshort, like little hypnotic
stories, really, aren't they?
Hypnotherapy, really, in tinysize bites that you just read
one tiny little thing and kindof gets your unconscious mind
working on it.
Easy to digest.
Yeah, very, very easy to digest.
(36:51):
It's a bit of a bit of aparticular little thing, isn't
it?
Oh yes.
Special.
It's special, yeah.
When we're writing it wasspecial for us.
It was, it was therapeutic, andum we know that many of our
colleagues hypnotherapistsactually use it in therapies,
but it's it's it's good foreveryone.
(37:12):
It's good to be stress-free andanxiety free.
Okay, thank you very much.
See you see you online.
Bye bye.
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Yeah, that sounds like fun,doesn't it?
Yeah, I was watching uh Netflixprogramme on it.
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That's good that program.
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So let's get started then.
So, yes, how to live a richlife.
I was thinking about it becauseI mean, apart from the fact that
(00:54):
it's so easy now to get intodebt.
Oh, you're actually talkingabout real financial rich life.
I thought this was gonna be likemore Well, it's both.
Both, okay.
But it's so easy to get intodebt to debt, and it's so easy
to accumulate so much debt thatyou feel as if that you you
could never live a rich life,like what the like what the
(01:16):
program was talking about,because that was the financial
advisor giving advice.
Yeah, but it's also so easy tolike not realize what living a
rich life really is and how youcan live a rich life now without
actually being that rich, yeah.
Without being yeah, becauselet's face it, most people are
(01:37):
just like average or low income.
I mean, there's not that manyreally rich people out there, so
yeah, I think I think I thoughtthe meaning of living a rich
life was like, you know, morelike w doing the best you can do
with the money you have, or justyou know, you know, enjoying it,
(01:59):
I guess, enjoying your financialwealth and whatever, no matter
how much it is.
So if you've only got enough togo to the down to the coffee
shop and and order a coffee, youknow, sort of enjoy that moment
because it's special for youbecause you're spending I don't
know what on that coffee.
Do you know what I mean?
Well, I remember when I got mystudent grant, yeah.
(02:21):
Um, because in those days,fortunately, we we got we got a
grant and we didn't and wedidn't have to pay back all the
debt happens.
And I remember thinking, gosh, Ifeel so rich.
Yeah, and I've got enough moneyto go and buy a coffee.
That's what I mean.
And it was such such a lovelyfeeling.
Well, us growing up poor, weknow what that was like.
We know what it was like to seeother people sitting at the
(02:43):
coffee shops and just notbothering about you know having
a tea and a cup of coffee andand a cake, you know not
worrying about it costs, notworrying about it.
So when I remember when mumwould actually say, All right,
we're gonna go and sit down andhave a you know cup of tea, and
you get whatever you want, itwas like, wow, I would feel
(03:03):
rich, you know, think gosh.
So yeah, maybe it's you know, Ithought really, it doesn't
really matter how much youractual income is, it's what you
actually do with that income ifyou can manage to live
experiences that that make youfeel rich, make you feel rich
inside and live a rich life.
Yeah, live um because what doesliving a rich life really mean?
(03:28):
I suppose it's subjected to eachone of us.
Well, yeah, I remember mum usedto say things like, Do you want
to um go on holiday to Spainthis summer, or do you want do
you want the family to buy a newsofa because this one's shabby?
And we it was second hand, itwas like someone's it's someone.
It was somebody given it.
(03:49):
It was definitely hand-me down.
It was a hat definitely a handydown handy hand-me down, or it
was just some some found on thetip at some point.
That one wasn't, I remember.
It wasn't, was it?
No, because then she was veryclever with her dressmaking
skills, so she would refurbishit all herself.
But in those days, people wouldput the they would get they
would hire a skip, do youremember, and they would get
(04:11):
outside their house and theywould like throw their furniture
in it, things they didn't want.
So it was possible to get thingsoff a skip.
People would, yeah, yeah, wewould get things off a skipway.
We would, that's for sure.
And we were like littlescavengers, mum.
We fo we found a table.
Oh wow, where is it?
It's in the dip.
(04:32):
I mean, that's that's how wegrew up, isn't it?
Office chairs, everything wewould find in the dip.
We would literally go there, butdid we feel poor?
Not really, not really.
When we found something in thetip, it was because we were so
much we would feel rich, wewould say, wow, we've just found
this.
I mean, what is the saying?
(04:52):
You know, once man rubbishesanother man's gold.
And so when we found when wewould when we would go on
holiday, and we wouldn't haveanything that was that nice at
home, but when we would go onholiday, uh in the summer we
would come back having had ourlovely sunny summer holiday.
Since we would feel richcompared to maybe uh our little
(05:13):
friends that hadn't gone onholiday, even though they might
but they had beautiful stuff athome.
Yeah, they might have lovely newprams and the toy prams, yeah.
Let's be specific.
That's what I wanted.
Yeah, because you wanted thatreal toy pram, didn't you?
The one you saw in the shop.
Yeah, yeah.
Then Dad made us the littlewooden ones which were adorable.
(05:36):
They were, they were so special,really.
But the other kids down theblock were were jealous of ours.
They wanted the handmade.
They wanted the handmade littlebag.
I think that's because there wastwo of us, so we would be
prancing along really happy withthem.
Well, yeah, obviously.
And the little girl up the road,she was on her own, I remember.
Poor thing, yeah.
She wanted to wanted her pram.
(05:58):
You wanted her ones, yeah.
She had a lot.
I can't remember wanting her onethat was.
You didn't care.
I didn't care.
You weren't as materialistic.
No, I don't think I wasactually.
I don't think I noticed thesethings.
Maybe I noticed it more becauseI was a little bit older.
Yeah, being being just beingmore conscious of it, maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah, being what yeah, maybe Iwas just like I don't know what
(06:18):
I was up to.
Mum used to say I was a bit moremischievous, maybe I was just
running around more.
I don't know what I was doing.
I was cutting the flowers off bythe point.
Yeah, cooking flowers forcooking.
Anyway, the point is.
Yeah, we would make little mealswith these, yeah, for cooking
because it sounds like with thepeonies.
It was just a you know, justbake just just children, child's
(06:42):
play.
Yeah, you would cook, we wouldcook with little flowers and
things.
Flower bias, yeah.
In the that was our distraction.
That was especially what Iremember liking doing.
Yeah, I would make tea with umwith earth and water and then
put it in this little toy teapotand serve.
But then my mum saw us do that.
(07:03):
She gave us real tea, Iremember.
Yeah, I remember that.
And then I remember not washingthe teapot properly.
I remember the stink of thatteapot.
She would make us put our toysaway and it had the leftover
milk.
The powder milk.
I don't know.
I remember doing it to ourdollies.
SPEAKER_01 (07:17):
Yeah.
Anyway, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:20):
This was what I mean is though what we're what we're
getting back to saying is thateven though we did grow up poor,
relatively poor, well, poor,yeah, definitely poor.
It was poor.
We had enough to eat, but it waspoor.
No, we were lucky we had enoughto eat.
Always enough to eat.
Always loads abundance of food,but there was poor in other
aspects.
(07:40):
We did feel I feel like we liveda very rich childhood in the
experience, in the sense ofexperience, in the sense of um I
can't remember the lack, feelinglack.
I know because um for instance,Paul McKenna, the hypnotist,
he's uh he has an audio that'show to live your rich life.
(08:03):
Rich life.
Yeah, I love that.
When I listened to it, he said,Imagine if you could have
anything you wanted, all therichness and all the rich
experiences.
And I always feel really blessedbecause I always think, yeah, we
had all those rich experiencesbecause mum made us travel, you
know.
Even in even if it was just wewent to travel to Switzerland,
(08:25):
but it was a big deal in thosedays because people didn't
really travel that much.
So we've got to be able to dothat.
Well, we only went there becauseshe had a sister that was there,
so we could stay there for free.
And yeah, but it that was a richexperience, yeah.
Well, that was probably cost hera fortune, actually.
Well, she saved up a year,didn't she?
Yeah, to send us on an airplanealone, which she couldn't come
because it was too expensive.
(08:46):
And she had to work, and she hadto work, so she sent us off with
our little passports in thoselittle plastic tags you would
have hung around your neck, andoff we went.
I mean, I was nine, you wereten, yeah, we were very little,
and uh yeah, that was a richexperience, actually.
Yeah, that was pretty amazing ifyou think about it now.
(09:08):
So, what you can do is like evenif you don't if you're not very
wealthy, you can create richexperiences for yourself.
Like I mean, I remember justeven going on a picnic sounded
amazing.
I remember thinking I felt so itwas so like mum would be
special.
It was special, yeah.
She would just make her littletortilla di patata, which is
(09:31):
like a Spanish omelette thing,and that was already special.
She would make it seem as ifthat was special, but it's just
potato eggs and onions, andyeah, and delicious, and that
was a whole faff aroundpreparing that putting in the
little basket, then going offdown to the park, it was just
down the road, but it seemedlike it was a very rich
(09:54):
experience doing things likethat.
Well, yeah, I think they were.
I mean, they were rich becausewe had if you think about it, we
were having quality time with itwith our parents.
Yeah, you're right, and witheach other, and that is
something that that's rare, butthat's precious, isn't it?
That's precious, and it's free,but it's free, and it's not
really free because it's onlyfree if you could if you if you
(10:16):
could afford to have the time.
She was able to do it becauseshe was working from home as a
child mind and we would have todo it.
And working at night as anaccelerator.
She would take us with thebabies as well.
We would all go together withthe little children, and for us,
really, she was working.
If you think she was working,she was minding the other kids,
wasn't she?
Yeah, the babies.
(10:36):
But it seemed like it was timefor us, it didn't seem like a
chore.
No, it seemed like, oh, we'vegot all these lovely little
babies to play with and lookafter and be with.
It was special, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think you can I stillremember the squirrels in the
park.
I remember playing under thewillow tree, that the weeping
willow tree.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
I I always thought it was like magic when we would
go under that tree.
SPEAKER_00 (11:01):
It was like so special, you know.
And then there was a castle inthat park.
Do you remember it?
It wasn't a castle.
We used to call it a castle, butit was a water tower.
Oh, water tower.
Oh.
It's probably still in Croydon.
There's his water tower.
Yeah, I fantasized about, youknow, the wanted to go in there
(11:22):
and thinking there wereprincesses in there.
It was quite steep.
It would climb up the I mean,those are experiences.
Well, it's like Rapunzel'sTower, really, wasn't it?
It looked a bit like that.
It did.
Because it had likeold-fashioned brick.
Very, very, very remote.
Wasn't like a new thing.
Oh no, no, it looked as reallyancient, very magical.
(11:44):
The whole thing was extremely,it was like going into some kind
of film or something.
If you think about our childhoodnow, looking back on it, and
that's because it was based onperhaps having a parent that was
able to see another side of herlife as well, like our mum and
(12:04):
our father as well.
They they weren't too involvedin the story that they were poor
immigrants.
They were more involved inlooking around them, enjoying
what they had, looking for richexperiences around them that
could make them feel feel sp.
You know, everything wasspecial.
(12:25):
Finding finding, I mean, comeon, finding a sofa, a settee in
a rubbish tip.
You think, yuck, you know, no,oh wow, big claps, we were all
laughing, and it sounds as ifI'm making this up, but you
know, there's two of us, wereally live this.
I don't know that we were sohappy.
(12:46):
I mean, I remember dad grumblingsometimes.
He was a bit grumpy.
He would get grumpy and then,you know, he would say, leave
it.
He would say, Leave it there,woman.
What are you doing?
But then mum would be able tofantasize how she was gonna
(13:06):
redecorate it.
She would she would go, youknow, reupholster it basically.
She would re-upholster it withthe with the fine with the
cotton.
Yes, that would buy the that wasa rich life.
She would buy the wheel thestuff.
The tea was from the dumb, fromher dumb, or from the neighbour
or whatever that didn't want it,had it.
I mean, it was in a state.
(13:27):
It was a terrible state, yeah.
She'd have to clean it, she'dhave to clean it and fix it and
everything, and but then shewould go to like Liberty.
Yeah, to Liberty's.
This was it.
She would go to the Croydon, butshe would get like Liberty type
fabric.
Definitely the finest.
Spend quite a lot of money onthat actually, when you're
(13:47):
thinking about it.
But I suppose compared to whatuh an entire sofa would cost,
yeah, and then she wouldre-upholster it and then make
the matching curtains.
So the whole thing looked richin the end, it looked plush for
for us.
For for for us it looked for ourstandards, yeah.
The fact that she'd made it byhand made it all really special.
(14:08):
Yeah, she made it special.
Yeah, so you can make thingsspecial.
I mean, anything can be special.
Anything I mean, and thinkingabout today's climate, uh, you
know, it's it was a really gooduh w way of like reusing and up.
Definitely, yeah.
So called upcycling stuffinstead of you know, one man's
(14:29):
rubbish was another man'srubbish.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes, and yeah, well that's itwas very ecological as well what
we were doing in those dayswithout realising it, maybe.
Obviously, we did not realiseit.
No, there wasn't so muchawareness, but yeah, that is
living rich though, really,isn't it?
Well, she always used to say ifyou didn't have enough money to
save for what you really wanted,and then she likes she would
(14:50):
really buy.
Do you remember she bought thatexpensive?
I mean, the rest of the kitchenwas a stake.
Oh my god.
But she bought that expensivecooker.
That's her way of living rich,you see.
So that's what we've learnedfrom from our parents is that
even though it's not much, youget one thing that that's very
luxurious, that's like makes youfeel rich and make that
(15:12):
experience every time youexperience that thing is gonna
make you she loved it, didn'tyou?
I mean, yeah, I still feel likethat today because if I have a
lovely I don't want to dobrands, but my my lovely new
laptop every time I see I loveit.
Yeah, I can't help it, makes mefeel rich seeing that, even
though now I know I can affordit.
(15:34):
Yeah, but still it gives me thatsense, oh, when I see it and it
works so well and everything.
It's more like with techno withtechno I'm so amazed by it, or
even the phone, you know, whatit can do and everything.
It makes me feel rich.
Well, it is having privilege,it's a privilege, yeah, being
able to have things.
(15:55):
Yeah, but other people wouldtake it for granted, I think.
I think that's one of the thingswe've learned off mum and dad.
Growing up poor.
Yeah.
But not just poor, but growingup poor with this rich
mentality, like this richenjoying it.
It was so deep.
Yes, the experiences were solike really.
(16:16):
I think that really because likewe didn't, for instance, uh, in
the and I remember in the hall,we couldn't afford to buy a
carpet, but yet mum would go andbuy the best quality, like cut
of meat, not not super solarsteak on anything, but a nice
roast.
So that on Sunday we had a nice,you know, roast.
But we didn't have a carpet downthe stairs because she couldn't
(16:36):
afford it.
Because she couldn't afford toget a carpet straight away.
She would put pennies.
Do you remember she'd have tosave up for it penny by penny
basically?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So pound by pound, yeah.
We always had like deliciousfood, it was always like make
the most of what you've got, butlike live rich, abundant
experiences in what she did.
Yes, yes, yes, that's true.
(16:57):
Yeah, and that rubs off, doesn'tit?
And then she was veryappreciative, also.
Yeah, very appreciative, verygrateful.
So I don't know if she got thatfrom because she grew up with
that really rich aunt in Madrid.
Yeah, but yeah, because she camefrom a very poor family, and
(17:20):
then she grew up into a she wastaken away, yeah, and taken to
her rich auntie.
She was ill.
I don't know.
It's like going into our family.
We're supposed to be doing we'resupposed to be doing a podcast
here, and it's just like, ohyeah, we're gonna have a chat
about our mum.
I mean, I hope you're gonna getsome benefit from this.
It's it's just talking about ourexperiences.
(17:41):
This really is getting realbecause this is how we grew up.
Well, I remember as well or wecan share with you.
So I remember when I listened tothe Paul McKenna audio as well.
He says, in it, there's a piecewhere he says, This thief comes
in to steal all this man'spossessions of his house, and so
a monk.
So them or the man, the mansays, You can have it, you know,
(18:02):
you can have all my possessionpossessions.
And then he sits in his emptyhouse and he looks out, and he
said, If only I could give himthe moon.
So he's looking at thisbeautiful moon, and he's
thinking, if only I could givethe thief this experience of
looking at the beautiful moon.
Oh my god, and it and that'swhat you can never give anyone
(18:23):
the moon at all.
unknown (18:25):
Why did you talk about the moon?
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
I mean, I love looking at the moon.
Why?
I love seeing that full moon.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
I know.
You know, I'm almost Well then.
If you saw the moon yesterdayand then the podcast will go,
but yesterday, the moon was likesemi, it's it was a semi, semi,
semi, uh, what's it?
I don't know if it was crescenteor diminuishing or growing, but
it had Venus underneath it.
(18:56):
Gosh.
So it was absolutely expected.
It looked like a like almostlike a drawing.
The thing is, semi-circularmoon, and then it had the star,
the planet underneath.
You have to like sort of reallyappreciate those things or look
at them.
Take a moment to look at it.
Take it take a moment.
And that's where the wherethat's I think life comes from.
(19:16):
If you cut, but you just can'tlook sometimes.
What do you mean you can't look?
Well, like some people don'twant to look.
They don't want to be in a Idon't think they don't want to
look.
I think they've never learned tolook.
It's something you have to havein the city.
You have to close your eyes andthen look open them again and
and sort of like be able toabsorb it because no matter what
(19:39):
how many lovely things you havein front of you, if you don't
know how to absorb them, it'slike you can't really receive
them.
Or maybe you do receive them,but in a different way.
That's what I say in the end.
Like when I say I might tell myhusband, look at the moon, he
just says the moon, not the moonagain.
I've seen it before.
(20:00):
I said, you can't tell me you'veseen it before.
Let's go outside and look at themoon.
And he said, No, I'd rather lookat you.
I say, darling, I appreciate youwant to look at me.
But if we look at the moon, inthe summer evenings, I can
convince him to look at the moonlike what you say, because I
bribe him.
I say, let's go out and have adrink or go outside.
(20:22):
You've made me realise how Ibribe him with that, you know,
with that.
I give him like a treat.
I give him a treat.
Let's go and have a nice lollyoutside.
Let's go and have I mean hedoesn't really drink much, but I
guess if I offered him an amaror italiano or something, he'd
come out, you know.
But anyway, yeah.
It's always marvelled me but howit's it's just the way it's
(20:44):
subjective, isn't it?
The way you see differentthings.
But maybe it's from if you growup with a uh with a this like
magical kind of yeah, magicalkind of childhood.
I mean if you have this kind ofmagic in your life where you
stop a moment to be mindful toactually look at things, yeah.
Um and how just to see you knowhow amazing things are.
(21:07):
Because like the willow tree.
The willow tree.
I still remember the leaves,yeah, the squirrels.
Yeah.
The the the scent of the rosesin the summer.
I still remember walking up ourlittle road and then the roses.
Maybe it was more of an Englishthing.
People have seemed to be quiteappreciative in those days.
(21:30):
Was it just our childhood?
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, people like gardening alot in England.
I think it's just that, yeah,that maybe it's that bit of a
nostalgic way of being of beinga bit just being a bit more
still and yeah, I don't know.
(21:53):
I definitely think if you can bea little bit still and mindful,
then you can really enjoythings.
And and no matter what you'redoing, and no matter how much
you're actually earning at themoment or not earning, you can
still have you know experiencethat richness in your life.
The richness of because richnessanything is relative, isn't it?
(22:17):
Because like if you go on apositive, yeah.
If you might think like ifyou're if you're more well off,
you might think like you know,like flying first class is like
amazing.
SPEAKER_02 (22:28):
Amazing, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
But if you if you if you've never done that just
flying any class, just yeah,just going on a plane.
I mean, it's absolutely amazing.
What happened to us when we wenton a plane, or even now when we
fly just normal everydayflights, you think, wow, we
still think we're in London.
I mean that and especially nowafter the the pandemic and
everything, you think you can ityou can appreciate things even
(22:54):
more, I think.
Having freedom is already agreat richness.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah, very privileged.
Yes, yes.
It's uh I think it's a very ifyou open yourself up to living a
rich life, you'll notice howmuch richness you actually have
in your life.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
And what makes you feel rich.
SPEAKER_00 (23:16):
So when you're doing something, you become like a
little bit more aware of it andthink, oh gosh, yes, this makes
me feel rich in in in amultitude of ways because I'm
really experiencing it.
Hmm.
Is that right?
That's how I feel.
Well, I think so, yes, becausefor someone feeling rich might
(23:38):
be to have like a luxurychandelier in their house or
something.
Oh, yeah.
We know a lot about that.
Yeah, we sell them.
We sell them.
We know a lot of people say, I'mreally saving up for this.
Yeah.
Sometimes I think, gosh, youknow, you really want to spend
like I don't know, 2,000 euroson this now when you're you're
saving.
(23:58):
I mean, we had I had a clientonce, we both, you know, she was
saving for ages.
Then her grandmother gave hersome money, and so well, then
she bought it.
So obviously, that's importantfor her to have a piece of you
know, Italian Murano glass,something special.
That was going to make her feelrich every day.
She looked at it, so you canunderstand why why you would
(24:22):
want something like that, yeah.
Because it was something thatyou know, you really makes you
feel it's all about feeling,really, isn't it?
How you feel.
It's more about feeling thananything else.
Than being.
You because you can have youknow so much money in the bank
but not feel rich, yeah.
Or you can feel rich.
You can have so many assets aswell, not feel rich.
(24:43):
Yeah, or you can just feel richby having one or two things, or
like what you said in the littlestory about the moon.
You can always maybe feel moreas if you want more as well, and
you're never rich enough, youcan feel you can get stuck stuck
in that in that feeling of uh oflack.
Yeah.
(25:03):
Which is not really healthy.
It's not healthy.
No, that's that's a bit sad ifyou're in the stuck in the
feeling of lack.
That's what you see when you seethat you know the people that
are trying to keep up with otherpeople all the time.
With the journalists, with thenext-door neighbours, yeah, with
the society.
And maybe on social media aswell.
You're always trying to keep upwith someone else, and you never
(25:24):
feel quite rich enough.
Yeah.
But most of the really beautifulthings in life are free.
Well, that that's what they say,and as cliche as it is, I think
you know, you reach our age andyou begin to realise it is
absolutely true.
And some of the things you buyare beautiful, like what I was
(25:47):
saying before, you know, a newcomputer or a new chandelier,
and you can really appreciatethem, but sometimes, yeah, just
having a picnic in the park andI don't know, doing really
simple things can having anafternoon to yourself.
Uh ha reading a book, having achat with a friend can be
(26:09):
precious.
And pr n there's no price.
And I think there's also noprice to like living a life
where you're not always worryingabout money either.
Like making sure that you do getyour finances in order as far as
as much as you can.
So that you can avoid thatanxiety.
Don't overspend on things thataren't really giving you that
(26:31):
much value.
You can you can like if youwant, you know, you can evaluate
them a little bit and think,okay, so I'm spending this
amount on this, I don't know,going out every Friday night or
whatever, and spending thisamount at restaurants, then I'm
doing this and this.
And you can think, how do thesewhen I do these things and these
(26:53):
activities, how do I reallyfeel?
If you if you're mindful of it,you'll realize it and you'll
say, No, that's really great.
It makes me feel absolutelywonderful.
Wonderful, it makes me feelrich, it's really important part
of my life.
Well, then you leave it.
But if it's not, maybe you canfeel rich in other ways.
You can think about it.
(27:14):
How what it what it actually isthat makes you feel rich.
I know.
It's weird, isn't it?
It is because it's so muchfeeling rich.
What is it?
It's not feeling happy, it's notfeeling sad.
You can have multi-billion.
Or does rich yeah, you know,we've worked with people that
are ultra-high net worth people,and they don't even feel that
rich because there's the nextperson five billion bought.
(27:36):
They're always talking aboutit's just a million, yeah,
whatever.
So yeah, it doesn't, yeah, itdoesn't really make that much
difference, no.
I guess it's if you have beenbrought up in a different way,
(27:58):
and and you feel you're alwaysin lack, uh, then I think if
you're aware of that, you canyou can you can work on it, you
can fix it.
You can fix it.
You can fix it by just startingto appreciate all the little
things that you've maybe beentaking for granted that you
didn't realise you were takingfor granted.
Having a good laugh is likepriceless, and if you find
(28:22):
someone you can have a goodlaugh with, then I would say
never let that person go becausethat's that's that's being rich
for me.
Having a good good laugh, orjust sitting and watching a film
that makes you laugh at youknow, even that, that that's
rich.
Lovely, isn't it?
That's that's great, you know.
Because you sometimes you forgethow important laughter is.
(28:44):
Oh, yes.
The the older you get, you know,you find you you laugh less and
less.
Remember there was a time whenwe thought we didn't laugh much.
Yeah, I did.
It was before we started all ourstudies and our NLP and things,
and we were thinking, life's notthat funny anymore.
Just saying it, yeah, it soundsso funny.
SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
We did think that.
We did think life wasn't thatfunny.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know whathappened.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
I think we got stuck in the rut or something.
Stuck in the rut, and you haveall your problems.
I mean, everyone's got problems.
Yeah, you hear all theseproblems all the time health
problems, financial problems,the car, the the car, the house,
the kids, and or or the lack ofkids, because you want to have
kids.
Like I suffered from infertilityproblems that I was for years
(29:31):
and years doing IVF and blahblah blah.
So, yeah, and then sometimes youthink, well, life is hard, you
know, because it's it's not thatfun, it's not fun like I thought
it was, like you know, like thatmagical childhood kind of thing.
You know, then it if you live ifsomeone broke down that magical
(29:51):
childhood, I think, well, itwasn't that magical.
Exactly.
When you break it down, yourealise mum and dad were
immigrants, they were broke, wewe got everything was a struggle
for everything.
Was a struggle, terriblestruggle.
Mum would have to work nightshifts, and she would not only
do that, go out on a bike in thenight on a bicycle.
(30:12):
So that when we were little, Iremember thinking, you know, oh
my gosh, I hope she comes backokay.
I hope a bus doesn't run herover.
She was tiny as well.
She wasn't, you know, like wecame out more or less tall, like
our father, but our mum, she shewould like, if you if you can
see me like that.
My little Miss Pepperpot was.
Yeah, she was absolutely tiny,and she would go off at night,
(30:37):
she would say good night, put usto bed and everything, and then
say, Alright, Mummy's going towork now.
I would hate it.
I would just think, gosh, I hopeshe comes back alright.
And then in the morning when I'dhear her like little bike coming
back in at 6 a.m.
or whatever, I think, phew,she's come back and she's okay.
So yeah, it wasn't all roses andelves and fairies and making
(30:58):
little it there were struggles,there were struggles, yeah.
But somehow the richer part ofit came through.
Came through it, like envelopedit more.
It's it's it's what we chose tosee and perhaps what we were
taught to see more than theother.
We were taught gratitude,weren't we?
(31:19):
We were taught to see that itseems silly now, but it's true.
We're deciding to have a laughnow.
No, it it doesn't seem silly,it's uh it was love and
gratitude.
(31:40):
It was, yeah.
And that's all you need, really,isn't it?
Yeah, it was like yeah, love andgratitude.
All our basic needs werebasically met most of the time.
Yeah, and when we didn't haveenough money to buy school
uniform, mum would make it forus and make out as if that was
super special.
Then you would remember you sayuh you would get teased for it,
but you know, you would say,Hey, you know, I have uh a
(32:04):
different school, schooluniform, whatever it would cost
you, mum's gonna call it schooluniforms, because literally mum
could not afford those.
They were they were expensive,those school uniforms.
You know, you'd have to have allthose little things, a little
hats and everything.
Well, we had to buy those.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
But anyway, yeah, we hope you're gonna go off and
live your rich life and thinkperhaps a little bit about yeah,
what makes you feel rich, youknow.
Yeah, and could be just buyingand do more of that.
Yeah, I mean, the other day Iwas asking my son, what is it
that makes you feel rich?
And he started looking at thepink salt of the Himalaya now,
Himalaya, and he said, Thismakes me feel rich because it's
(32:47):
like comes from so far away, andeven though it's not it's still
quite pricey actually to buy.
It's very pricey compared tonormal salt.
Compared to normal white saltthat's had, yeah, but you know,
even small things like that,that it's not gonna kill you,
it's not gonna kill your budgetto buy a packet of that if
that's what makes you feel rich.
(33:08):
Exactly.
It doesn't matter what it is,but you know, I think being
aware of it and spoilingyourself sometimes, you know.
With these kind of experiencesas well, is good to to let to
release.
To let you have a nice like cupof coffee on a nice terrace.
On a nice terrace, yeah.
Always remember when I wasyounger that I was always well,
(33:30):
I did do it, but it was likespecial.
It was special, yeah, and you'dappreciate it.
Yeah, definitely.
We still appreciate it now.
Exactly.
I think that's that's thesecret, really.
To never stop appreciatingalways feel a bit like what you
were saying the other day, a bitlike a student.
Still feel like a student now,and thank goodness we know we're
(33:52):
uh we're okay.
Fine, but I still I don't knowwhat it is, it's probably
because we grew up poor likewhat you say.
Yeah, I think so.
It never does quite leave you.
No, but I think it's a blessing.
I do believe it is a blessing.
It's like a bit privilegedactually.
You are, yeah.
It would be like the opposite ofwhat you would imagine.
(34:12):
Obviously, that's the kind ofI'm not saying you know, if you
haven't got food or no uh thekind of poor poor we experience
that it my mum and dad, I meanmy mum and dad might say, but
they were always grateful andhappy as well.
No, they were super grateful.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's not as if you know it'sluckily, you know, it was okay
(34:32):
for us, but obviously if you'reif you if you if you're is
struggling even more, it'sobviously it's not the same
thing and it's very difficult,but no, you can I think you can
you can still I think you canstill find children in the very
very poor countries thattraveled the lotes they're
(34:53):
happy.
I don't know if they're happybut they they they're very
cheerful and you said in some ofyour when you came like
hitchhiking when you didn't haveyou didn't even have any money.
That's the time I felt peoplewere to you.
I couldn't believe the sense offreedom, yeah.
Freedom and with no money to it.
Yeah, everyone was so generousto you.
They would just offer us mealsand uh everything, it was
(35:15):
wonderful.
It was dangerous never do it,but it was I mean, it was I did
it in those days, it was yeah,years ago in the 80s.
Yeah, and it was still quitedangerous coming over to the
Mediterranean countries.
That's yeah.
Anyway, let us know what yourexperiences are, and if you're
(35:36):
living your rich life, and ifyou are struggling with debt or
anything, you know, I'drecommend you watch the Netflix.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Watch it, it can help you.
Absolutely.
And do come and say hello on ourYouTube channel as well, or on
Twitter or at Kept Real with theEnglish Sisters on Instagram.
(35:57):
Come and follow us as we'regrowing there too.
Yeah, come and join our familyand share your experiences with
us too.
SPEAKER_02 (36:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
And if you want us to talk about something on the
next podcast, just just write,just write it down.
Right.
And we'll we will we'll take itto you.
Write to us and we're Oh, andalso check out our book uh
Stress Free in Three Minutes,which is available on Amazon and
in all good bookshops to order,also on Kindle and Audible.
(36:25):
Exactly.
There's a lot of gratitude inthere as well, isn't it?
Oh yeah, yeah, they're veryshort, like little hypnotic
stories, really, aren't they?
Hypnotherapy, really, in tinysize bites that you just read
one tiny little thing and kindof gets your unconscious mind
working on it.
Easy to digest.
Yeah, very, very easy to digest.
(36:51):
It's a bit of a bit of aparticular little thing, isn't
it?
Oh yes.
Special.
It's special, yeah.
When we're writing it wasspecial for us.
It was, it was therapeutic, andum we know that many of our
colleagues hypnotherapistsactually use it in therapies,
but it's it's it's good foreveryone.
(37:12):
It's good to be stress-free andanxiety free.
Okay, thank you very much.
See you see you online.
Bye bye.
Bye bye.
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