What if the thought that keeps looping in your head didn’t run your day or your night? We open up about the hidden cost of worry, from the quiet minutes it steals each evening to the long stretches of joy it erodes over years. With clear, simple language and real-life stories, we show how to notice the useful signal inside anxiety, act on what you can, and then set the rest aside so you can live well right now.
We dig into practical tools you can use tonight. Think of your mind like a playlist: when a bad track comes on, you skip it. We share how to do that with thoughts interrupt rumination, redirect attention, and create calming rituals that tell your nervous system it’s safe to rest. From symbolic “worry containers” like a folded handkerchief or a small doll under the pillow, to journaling that ends with a closed notebook and a plan for tomorrow, these small acts build a powerful habit of mental boundaries.
The conversation goes deeper with a vulnerable health story: how to stay present through a loved one’s diagnosis without letting fear swallow the good moments in between. We talk about day-by-day thinking, matching your effort to what you can control, and protecting spaces—especially your bedroom—as sanctuaries. You’ll also hear why helping others, even in small ways, can shrink your own anxiety, and how to reclaim mental storage the way you’d free space on your phone.
If you’re ready to stop rehearsing worst-case scenarios and start choosing what gets your attention, this episode offers compassionate guidance and actionable steps. Listen, try one tool tonight, and tell us what shifts for you. If this resonated, follow the show, leave a review, and share it with someone who could use a gentler mind today.
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Episode Transcript
Worrying.
I think worrying takes up somuch of our time every day, and
we don't really realise how muchit's actually robbing us of our
lives.
Yeah, and it takes up so muchmental space as well.
It's like our mind can be sofull of worry that we don't have
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time for other things, and weliterally can't have it.
Most of us can think of onething that we worry about every
day.
Yes.
The same thing.
And if you add that up over inthe next five years or ten
years, you know how many itmight it might have taken a
whole year away for your life.
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I know, just worrying about it.
Yeah, something that you youreally I mean, worrying in per
se is okay if you if you think,oh, okay, I've had like a
warning, it's like a littletimer that goes off.
But then how long do we have toworry about it?
How long?
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So that's what we're going to bechatting about in this week's
episode on Get Real with theEnglish sisters.
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Stella's got our shiny browsieson, haven't we?
We do, yes, indeed.
We do have our shiny browsersfor the new year.
Yes, the new year.
Still keeping joy.
I'm not going to worry as much.
No, that's a good, good NewYear's resolution, definitely.
Because I found in my personallife.
Yeah, me too.
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The more I worry, I mean, mostthings I worry about, they don't
even they don't come true.
Most of the stuff.
Yeah, then afterwards when youyou actually think why did I
worry so much about it?
When the time comes, you think,oh gosh, that wasn't even worth
it.
Yeah.
Most of the time it wasn't worththe worry.
I mean, is it ever worthworrying about something?
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I don't think complete worrying.
I think when the thought comesin your mind that you're worried
about something, then you sayit's time to take action action
about it.
Yeah, yeah.
That's when you have to takeaction.
And if there is something youcan do about it, well then you
do it.
You do it, yeah.
But then the worst thing is whenyou don't do it and you just
continue worrying about it.
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Yeah, and sometimes there'snothing you can do about it
because it's a health issue, orit's something that you cannot
address that in that day, orit's a fight you've had with
someone and you can't solve it,so there's no point worrying
about it.
You think I'll do it tomorrow,and you just go and do it, and
you say sorry, or you it'seasier said than done, though,
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isn't it?
We do know it's so easy, butit's all about being in the
present moment again.
It is we have to take charge ofour own minds, we have to be
able to direct our minds into amore uh helpful state of mind
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for ourselves that's what we'redoing.
I'm thinking of one of the umthe the short stories we wrote
in stress-free in three minutesin our book, and it's a your
favourite playlist.
Would you put worry into yourfavourite playlist?
Would you put a song into yourfavourite playlist that you
hated or that made you worry?
That made you feel ill everytime physically, mentally.
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If you think of your thoughtslike a playlist, why on earth
would you torture yourself withsomething you did not enjoy
listening to?
I think the answer is peoplesay, I don't want to torture
myself, but that thought justkeeps on coming up, and there is
nothing I can do about it.
That's what people would say.
That's where you're wrong,because there is something you
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can do about it, you can make itstop, just like you would stop
at a red light and you wouldn'tgo through it.
Yes, that's right.
You can make it stop, or you canstop the if you if the when I'm
listening to a playlist, if I'mlistening to some music and then
suddenly something else comes onI don't like, I stop it.
Yes, and I put a I change it tothe music that I like, which at
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the moment is Taylor Swift.
Right, it could be anybody, itcould be anybody I go back to
who I want to listen to, so youcan do the same with your own
mind.
You can't just let your mind gonuts on you, run loose and just
go wild, because then if you'reif you start worrying about one
thing, what happens is otherthings will pop up.
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Your your brain will startfocusing on everything that's
like concerning to you at themoment.
So you've got uh economicalissues, and then maybe some
health issues, and then maybefamily issues, and it can all
add up, and all this worryingultimately in the end, it it's
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well like that like the otherday.
Remember the other day someinsect beat your husband, yeah,
and he started staring at andreally worrying about it.
Yeah, he was worries, it was aworry, but so then I got bitten.
I got bitten a few days afterrecently, and I was looking at
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it and it was getting meworried, just like what happened
to Georgia.
Yeah, and I was thinking, here Iam worrying about this.
This silly thing stop it, putthe cream on it, take an
antihistamine, and you're goingto be fine.
Yeah, it's nothing.
It's nothing, you were worriedbecause you got stung by the
bees.
Yeah, and I had an allergicreaction.
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I know, but I just think it'sour minds just go to these
places.
Yes, and if you do not know howto control them and put them in
check of your own mind, you willbe in trouble.
You will be in trouble, and alot of the times these things
happen just when you want torest the most.
Oh my god your brain will startwhen you want to go to sleep,
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and you want to have a goodnight's sleep.
So, how can you like if you youknow what would you say?
How can you the other day I waswatching the uh the Empress and
they came up with these and theycame up with these worry dolls,
and apparently they originatedin um Guatemala and little
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children, they're given tolittle children, and they
they're cute, cute as anything,little dolls, they're nothing to
do with anything, you know, bad.
And that you have this littledoll and you you tell your worry
to the doll, and then you put itunder your pillow.
Oh, that's so strange.
And then that's it.
So so so what you're free ofyour worry.
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So, what you can do with yourmind, as we as we've learned,
right, as a hypnotherapist, isyou can say to your worry, I've
heard you, I'm listening to you.
It's okay, you're gonna be okay.
We're gonna deal with it.
We'll deal with it if we can,like tomorrow, if it's a health
issue, if it's possible, I'llmake an appointment.
Or I'll I'll I'll do something Ihave to do if I have to do it,
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if I don't, and it's justwaiting, because a lot of the
time with health if issues, youknow, it is just a or you put
them off, so then if you findyourself putting stuff off, you
can you can ask for help.
So you can ask a friend or afamily member, you can say,
Look, I'm I'm I'mprocrastinating, I'm worried
about this thing, but I'm notfinding it really difficult and
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I'm procrastinating with it.
Can you have procrastinating it?
Can you help me?
Like, can you you know check onme, check up on me, and either
help me do make the phone callor make the appointment or you
know, ask me if I've done it sothat I'll do it.
And because sometimes we justwe're like these people, we're
not computers.
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No, we're not.
We're not well, we are in a way,yeah, because you can program
your mind only if you know howto.
Only if you know how to have thetools, absolutely, yes.
It's all a question of knowingso I mean it we're adults, so we
don't have these little dolls,or maybe we still do if you if
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you belong to that culture andyou uh you can buy them online,
really, yes.
The little tiny little uhtraditional little dolls, or you
can make them if you like makingstuff, and you place all your
worries into that little dolland you yeah, you have one for
each worry, but I would justhave one for all of them.
Yeah, seems easier, but the theactual symbolism of it is that
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you are putting them away,aren't you?
Yeah, yeah, or sometimes ifyou're like you like crystals or
you like you've got a littlefavourite thing that you like, a
little soft toy or anything.
I would just say, you know, usethe the um or a power of prayer,
you know.
If you're religious, wonderful,you know, you you send off that
prayer and you can you can sortof like help yourself relieve
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yourself of some of yourworries.
So let them be, so that you canlet them be for the evening, for
the night.
Put them to one side.
Yeah, I think that's wherejournaling helps, because you
can write it in your journal andthen you say, Okay, tomorrow
I'll and you close the diary tosleep.
We used to do that when we werelittle, didn't we?
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We would write a diary.
Yeah, our mothers used ourmum's.
I would never I would alwaysedit it there.
Because you were scared somebodywould read it.
Yeah, yeah.
Somebody was true.
Who would ever read it?
Nobody, but you just it was justme and you.
I would certainly not gosnooping into your diary.
I was not interested and notwould have read it, but I don't
know, it's just these things.
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I I wouldn't actually really saywhat I've really felt.
I do.
If I look through my diariesthough, I would worry a lot.
You know, I would write down myworries.
Oh, I'm so worried about my mathtest.
I'm so I worried about it.
I would write things like that.
I'm worried.
I would say things like that,but I mean, really, I suppose
really personal things Iwouldn't write just in case
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someone read them.
Yes, obviously, yeah.
If it was something reallypersonal, what can be that
person when you're a tiny, youknow, when you're like nine?
I wrote them till I was older.
Yes, yes, so did I actually.
Yeah, yeah, but so did I.
Didn't know it is when I wasnine.
No, no, you're right.
No, it's true.
If you need to read now, if youhave to go and have a look at
them and see what I but I usedto mostly write how how gr gre
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it was a bit like a gratitudejournal.
Really most of the time I wouldsay how grateful I was, how much
I loved my family, my husband.
When you were older, when I wasolder, always.
Like I said, teenager.
Teenager, I can't remember, I'dhave to go and have a look.
But I do remember worrying aboutpeople reading them.
Yes, that was so that's anotherworry that you don't want to add
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on to the worry list.
Yeah.
If I just told a little doll, itwould have probably been better.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, because the doll'snot gonna say anything, is it?
We did actually used to sleepwith our dolls, didn't we?
All of them.
Yeah, none of them would be leftout.
No, the bed would be covered inthem, and they were hard, like
that the they were like hardplastic.
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These lovely soft ones.
No, no.
Even the actual like teddybears, you know, I remember
quite tough.
They were quite in our days,they weren't like lovely and
soft and plush like they are.
No, they were quite hard, theyhad like hard little arms and
wirings, and they used to stickall over you, but you'd stuff
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them all in under the bedcovers.
I remember, you know, everysingle toy I ever put.
But we would get cold.
Yes, if we didn't.
Yeah.
It was probably a way of havingcomfort as well from them, from
the dolls.
Sometimes it's prettyuncomfortable.
It was uncomfortable.
I do remember the little Iremember my doll that was big
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and hard.
It was a doll I'm talking about.
It was it was yeah, the wig.
This gets worse.
It was when we were little, whenwe were little we we used to
play with.
This is getting six, we haddollies at the end in those
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days, and that not so much now.
There was barbies as well.
But barbies are pretty tough,are they?
They were tough little to usethe same word.
No, they were tough and uh itwas it was difficult.
It was difficult sleeping withthem because I remember they
would take two ages to warm up.
It was cold for ages because therooms were cold, so we didn't
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have central heating when wewere really tiny.
No, but later on we did, butthey were still cold.
Well, but I remember when weused to sleep, but then we
didn't have central heating.
Really?
Central heating came when wewere quite older.
Oh goodness me.
I can't remember the days beforecentral heating.
Oh I can, it's bloody freezing.
Was it?
I just can't remember that.
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Was it that room with thewallpaper?
We had that green flower.
We have central heating inthere.
How on earth would the roomswear?
Freezing cold.
Did we have like an electriclittle heater or something?
Nothing.
Gosh, it must have beenfreezing.
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No wonder people used to have towear hats in bed.
Like the woolly hats and things.
Did we have hats?
We didn't have hats, but I don'tknow what we had, but I think we
I don't think we had a central.
I think we might have had aradiator in the room.
Yeah, I think so.
We had electric radiators andthings.
There must have been somethingin there to warm up that house
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because the house was big.
It must have got really cold.
I do remember the the big, youknow, big deal about this
central heating.
Central heating was a big deal.
That mum and dad made a big dealabout it, and there was this
boiler room upstairs.
Yeah, then the man came and putall the radiators.
Oh, yeah, I remember that.
Kind of a bit younger.
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Obviously, I was a year younger,and I just probably didn't
didn't remember it.
Yeah.
I do remember the house feelingnice and cozy afterwards,
though.
Oh gosh.
What a different thing.
We were just used to coolertemperatures.
Yeah.
I mean the babies used to seelike uh like my husband, his his
sister, who was who's uh like 15years older than he is or 20, 20
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years old.
Much older.
When she had her children, sheremembers that they used to
sleep in woolly hats and coats.
The babies.
The babies would be all wrappedup like as if they were in the
house.
What about you would put theprams outside to let them sleep
in the in the garden?
Yeah.
You would actually put babiesand let them sleep, especially
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if it was a nice cool, you know,no, not cool.
It wasn't like a nice winter'sday, even in the winter though,
you would put the baby outside.
Yeah.
I remember mum, she wouldsometimes leave, you know, we
would she was a childminder andshe would look after a lot like
five babies at a time, and thenone would always be parked like
outside the front door.
And and you know, you're justsleeping.
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That sounds terrible.
Sounds terrible, but it was likethe fresh air.
She was like, Well, it's a lotof things.
That's what they do in Sweden orsomething, or in Denmark, in
these Nordic countries, they allleave them outside in the
freezing cold.
Yeah, because they're allwrapped up in their yeah, they
they're all super wrapped up andeverything, but yeah, so
obviously it was different timesanyway.
We are going off topic here, butanyway.
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What's the point of worryingabout worry?
Yeah, exactly.
You know, worry think aboutbetter things.
Yeah, if you think you have, youknow, your mind, your mind needs
space, it needs to be freed up,it's like all cluttered with
worry.
It's like your iPhone space oryour your whatever it is space,
your computer space.
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You it needs to be freed up sothat you can have space for
things that you really want tothink about and enjoy and listen
to.
I think and I think a lot of theworry is like past worries, it's
it's it's things that aren'tthat they don't even concern you
in the in the future.
They're like regrets that turninto because it's uh you regret,
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and then you worry about theregret of not doing it.
There is, you know, you aretaking up valuable space in your
mind, which you could beenjoying yourself or helping
other people.
I mean a lot of the times byhelping others, you feel less
worried about your ownanxieties, yeah.
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And it's extraordinary how thatworks, and that's why
volunteering is a really goodidea as well to help relieve
that.
Well, doing something you feelas if you're helping people with
you know, yeah, yeah, obviously,yeah, even if it's not
volunteering, if it's helpingyour neighbour or you think
you're being useful to to towhoever, yeah.
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Your family, your friends, uhwhatever it is, it makes you
feel less anxious as well.
So, whatever it is, so even asyou know, we may not have the
little worry dolls, but we cansort of like pretend and get rid
of that worry.
Yeah, I mean you can even justhold a little handkerchief in
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your hand or something and say,Okay, I'm gonna put this under
my pillow, a tissue.
Heck, put your worry in thereunder the pillow, under the
pillow, or you know, in anotherroom.
I would say keep it at bay,flush it down the top.
That's why you have to have yourlike I think the your the room
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you sleep in has to be a bit ofa sanctuary design.
So you have to leave you theworld to our kind outside of it,
and so that you go.
I mean, I love my bed, Iabsolutely love it.
You know, it's like mysanctuary, it's just I love
that's why everything around it,you know.
I have to make it that that'swhy I'm obsessed with the bed
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linen and everything, it's it'salways my happy place.
The minute I enter it, I feel ohyeah, I love it.
That's nice, yeah.
I really do, and I you don't,you don't you don't love it as
much.
I like it.
I like going to sleep in it anddoing things in it, but the the
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the the actual bed.
The I don't spend a lot of timein my bed like you do.
No.
I go to bed at twelve o'clock orwhen one o'clock in the morning,
or if I've a set an earlierbedtime, which now I tend to go
to bed a bit earlier, like ateleven.
Yeah.
Cause it's 'cause if you go tobed too late, then you want to
get up late.
Since we I work online and I'vegot I don't with people, I don't
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want to get it makes me get upearlier if I go to bed earlier.
Well, of course it does, yeah.
That that makes sense.
So you mean you don't want toget up too early?
I do want to get up earlier nowin the winter.
Oh, right, okay.
You want to have a longer day.
I want to be sunny outside.
We're lucky it's mostly sunny.
Yeah, me too.
So I want to see.
Even like on my Sunday, I wantto like enjoy my Sunday.
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Yeah, I think, oh no, it's all Iused to want to sleep in more,
and I didn't care about thelight so much, but now I'm
older, I like to see the lightmore.
You did care about the light,you were always moaning about
how early it was and how dark itwas.
In the evenings, but I didn'tcare if I slept in till twelve
or something.
Well, really?
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Yeah, I used to sleep in low.
I remember always caring aboutthat.
Maybe you would even I alwaysused to sleep in till eleven or
twelve, I didn't care.
Yeah, I always used to get aheadache too much and I'd be
annoyed.
Yeah.
If I sleep in too much and if Igot a headache, I don't get
headaches.
Oh no, yeah.
Because you don't sleep in thatmuch, probably.
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Yeah.
And you No, but sometimes I do.
I do recuperate.
Like if I've been out on a nighton a night out, if we've been
out, I do sleep in.
I do off you see ten, eleven.
I suppose if you go to bed attwo or three in the morning,
you're eight, seven, eighthours.
Yeah, absolutely.
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It is.
So is that what you do tocontrol your worry at night?
What do you do?
I try not to worry and at allabout things now.
Yeah.
I've I've become very physphilosophical about things and I
just think uh if there'ssomething I can do about it,
I'll do do do it, and I don't Idon't go to the worst situation,
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like the worst scenario.
I think I'm like worried out.
I've done so much worry in thepast.
Goodness me, yeah.
That uh now, especially withhealth and that, I just take it
very just one day at a time kindof thing.
I'm not gonna I mean I have anyreasons to worry now with my
son's you know health.
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Yeah, but even with them, likebefore, I would have been worry
sick about your sons, and now II don't worry like that.
I just no, thank goodness youdid use to worry.
I used to be so empathetic aboutpeople, and I'd worry more than
necessary about other people aswell and about their health.
Oh, and how I I don't do thatanymore.
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No, thank goodness.
Oh yes, absolutely.
And in the end, most of it turnsout it's always okay, and if it
isn't, there's nothing you cando about it anyway.
That's life, so I must say,yeah, that is true.
Yeah, I even though, like youknow, I've had my son's
diagnosis, he's has he's been direcently been diagnosed with
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bladder cancer, and that waspretty scary, really, really
scary as a mum.
He's so young, he's 27, and Ithought, gosh, how am I gonna
ever overcome this worry now?
And it's just constant becausethen it's another test, and then
he has to do, you know, it'sjust but I've managed to somehow
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somehow take it day by day, youknow, and and and sort of live
from from my health experienceas well.
Just understand that you knowthese things are what they are.
They're transitory as well,aren't they?
I I hope they're transitory andI hope they go away, and I mean
he's had an he's had anoperation and everything, and
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but then you it is easy to godown that spiral, isn't it?
With things like cancer, youknow, you worry and worry and
worry, you can go down.
So, but I I've managed to put itlike uh to one side and only
think about it when it'snecessary.
When he comes and he talks to meabout it, then I'll think about
it, or when it's the next testor something.
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But I've managed to somehowseparate things in my mind so I
can still have a lovely hotchocolate and really enjoy that
hot chocolate without itovertaking.
I think it's something I havelearned to do, it's something,
it's a skill.
It is a skill.
You learn how to do this throughthings that happen to you in
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life, yeah, and through thetools that you have.
Obviously, yes, yes, through thetools, yeah.
Uh absolutely.
Yeah, you have to go, you haveto do it, don't you?
You you think how else would youmanage to do it?
Well, yeah.
You otherwise you don't youdon't manage that.
Well, you said it's not easy todo these things, you know with
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loved ones, with yourself, withwith you know anybody else, you
you end up just having a wholeday of worry, and what's the
point?
There is absolutely nothing thatyou can do most of the time.
You can follow the doctor'sorders and everything, but
that's it.
Then you your your duty is tolive your life, your life, and
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the thing with worry as well,it's if you if you're worried
about they say if you're worriedabout your son, you're not able
to enjoy your son as he is now.
No, it's always thinking aboutit.
It's always just worrying aboutsomething that might not even
happen.
Another test.
When is the next test?
So you're not you're like you'relike stealing the moment away.
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It is difficult to do, I mustadmit.
It's harder when it is one ofyour kids, you know, that is
affected.
It is is tough, however, it ispossible to do, and I am living
proof of this, it really ispossible.
So you can do it, you can putaside, you can enjoy yourself as
well, and you know, keep thingsseparate, I think, yeah, and not
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go down the spiral, yes, yes,and I think everyone has their
own journey as well.
So if we if if you're a personthat's very empathetic and
you're taking on everyone else'sproblems and journeys, it's
gonna be far too much for you tohandle and it's not a good
thing.
It's really it's just you justhave to be like thinking, I'm
(25:01):
just uh I'm just just free andlike just now in the moment.
Am I okay right now in themoment, sitting on this chair
talking to you?
Yeah, yeah, fine.
Well, there's nothing.
Uh otherwise you're like you'realways in the future.
But also you're like imprisoningyourself, you're like in like
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enslaving yourself in in thisthing that's not even real.
So like you're incarceratingyourself in a thought that's not
even real.
It's an imaginary thought thatyou're not, you know, who would
you be without that thought?
You would be you would be free.
You would be free without thatthought.
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So absolutely to freeyourselves, free yourselves from
worry.
Free yourselves from worry andobviously take the necessary
actions that you need to takeand just be joyful.
Absolutely.
See you next week.
Next week, next episode.
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Lots of love and smiles fromthere.
English sisters.
Bye bye bye.
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The Burden
The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.