April 28, 2025 • 53 mins
Today on the Getting After It podcast, I’m joined by a very special guest—my wife, Ally!
We sat down (matching mustard chairs and all) to have a real conversation about trying hard things, embracing the discomfort of being a beginner, and staying consistent without losing your sense of self-worth.
Ally shares her journey from being terrified of recording podcasts to launching Siblings in Crime with her brother, her struggles with body image and running confidence, and what her dad taught her about "doing the hard thing first."
We also reflect on building self-worth based on identity as a son or daughter of God—not just on achievements.
This one is packed with laughter, honest stories, and reminders we all need:
You can be proud of yourself and still demand more. You can fail today and still get after it tomorrow.
Key Learnings from This Episode:
- "Being a Beginner" Is a Muscle You Need to Flex - Growth lives on the other side of starting badly. Every new beginning will feel awkward—and that’s a feature, not a flaw.
- You Can’t Tie Your Self-Worth to Goal Achievement - Missing a goal doesn’t mean you’re worthless. Your value is rooted deeper than what you accomplish.
- Consistency Isn't About Perfection—It's About Showing Up - You’ll miss days. You’ll feel off. What matters is getting back after it the next day without beating yourself up.
- Discipline Is a Daily Decision, Not a Personality Trait - Structure and repetition build momentum. If you're struggling with consistency, make the hard things automatic, not optional.
- It’s Okay to Be Disappointed, But Don’t Stay There - Disappointment signals an opportunity for adjustment—not a reason to tear yourself down.
- Surround Yourself with People Who Push You to Level Up - Ally shared how having community—whether a running partner or a podcasting buddy—made it easier to stick to hard goals.
- Perspective Is Everything - A missed workout doesn’t define you. A tough run isn’t failure. Move forward with grace and keep stacking good days.
Challenge for Listeners:
What’s one thing you’ve been too scared to start because you didn’t want to look like a beginner?
Choose it—and start messy this week. You don't need permission to begin.
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Brett (00:00):
Explain to me what frumpy means.
Ally (00:03):
What you don't know, what frumpy means.
Brett (00:05):
No, tell me about it.
Ally (00:07):
Take a look right here.
This is what a frumpy outfitlooks like Just baggy,
unflattering kind of.
Brett (00:13):
Well, you're wearing my Jordan sweater Right.
Ally (00:16):
So Right right.
Brett (00:19):
Anyways, I was just curious.
She started off the podcastsaying I look frumpy, I'm like I
don't know what that means.
Ally (00:29):
How do?
You, curious you.
She started off the podcastsaying I look frumpy, I'm like I
don't know what that means.
Brett (00:31):
So, okay, you can tell you're a boy, that you don't
know what frumpy means.
Well, that's okay.
All jokes aside, welcome backto the podcast, my love thank
you, glad to be here and ifyou're this, we're making
progress on the studio.
It's happening step by step,but it is happening.
Ally (00:48):
Look at our matching mustard chairs.
Brett (00:50):
We got mustard chairs.
Can't beat that your cup ishiding your beautiful art.
There's the original GettingAfter it artwork.
Ally (01:00):
Kind of embarrassing Painted by my lovely wife.
I did it for you.
Brett (01:04):
I know it's very nice I'm in love.
That's why how are things going?
Ally (01:08):
things are great.
This is probably the longeststretch of time that I get to be
in utah that is true in a longtime.
Blessings so I think I'm herefor five days, which is exciting
very nice um, but yeah, justsame old, same old.
I wish there was more.
Just working running, haven'tbeen very crafty podcasting
yourself, podcasting myself.
But yeah, just same old, sameold.
I wish there was more.
Just working running, haven'tbeen very crafty lately
Podcasting yourself.
Podcasting myself.
(01:29):
Yeah, that's been quite thetrip.
Brett (01:32):
How has Siblings in Crime been going?
Ally (01:35):
It's been fun.
Blake and I are in differentstates most of the time, so
trying to figure out how to makepodcasts in different states
has been kind of a nightmare.
We never have good lighting, wenever have good audio, we never
have good video, so it's been awork, all the pains of starting
a podcast.
Right, so it's been kind of nota pretty start, but I mean
(01:59):
we're at episode 19 this week.
This coming week's going to bethe 20th.
Brett (02:02):
That's legit, so you're going to be in the top 1%.
That's what that means, huh 20episodes is the top 1% of
podcasters.
Ally (02:09):
Look at us Siblings and Crime top 1%.
Love to hear it.
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
You want to know why?
I actually have some facts onthat.
Oh, your data.
Tell me more.
Brett (02:16):
So I looked into that a and I told you yesterday I was
watching a bunch of videos andstuff about podcasting
specifically and I found thisone video that was actually
legit and I wonder if it'll comeup here.
Let's see.
Yeah, here we go.
So I thought this wasinteresting.
Talked about like how to createa successful podcast and all
(02:44):
this stuff, which I reallyenjoyed, but he had this like
whole part of of key data pointsand stuff like that from
podcasting and I'm trying tofind where it was at here.
It is Okay, we're good.
So top 10 podcasts in the world.
They capture 35% of all podcastlisteners 35 is crazy.
Ally (03:04):
actually it's insane.
Brett (03:04):
So today there are 450,000 active podcasts.
They capture 35% of all podcastlisteners.
35 is crazy.
Actually it's insane.
So today there are 450,000active podcasts.
During COVID, guess how manythere were.
Take a guess Everyone's at home.
How many people do you thinkstarted a podcast?
Ally (03:16):
So started a podcast or kept a podcast rolling.
Brett (03:19):
Started one and now no longer do it.
So they were active at the time, but now Think about like now
there's only 450 000 activepodcasters okay, so you're
making it sound like it's a fatnumber, like a million or
something insane that's close.
Ally (03:31):
Yeah, 800 000 people during covid um, so there's been
quite a big drop off which isfunny because I feel like
nowadays is when you're seeingall the tic-tocks that are like
everybody's starting a podcastright now yeah which is true.
Podcasting is like a fun thingto do.
Yeah, it's cool, but I'mshocked that there was more.
(03:54):
I mean, it makes sense as faras everyone was home, but I'm
shocked because I feel likethat's when podcasting was just
starting, so not as many peopleknew about it or like had the
equipment for it.
I think it was like kind ofjust getting big like 2019, 2020
yeah, that's.
Brett (04:12):
I mean jaco podcast.
That was like my first podcastI listened to all the time.
Started listening to that in2018, when it like first
launched and honestly, I thinklike the podcasts that are
successful are just the mostconsistent ones.
Um, because, like joe rogan,he's the number one podcaster.
Ally (04:31):
He's been doing it for 12 years but he was also famous
before and he has like reallyinteresting guests yeah, but
it's because he's done it for solong right, right.
I mean obviously, the more youdo something, the better you get
, typically yeah that's likeusually a common trend.
Those go hand in hand, um, so Iguess I can definitely see that
correlating you've seen in yourown podcast I mean we're only
(04:54):
19 episodes in, but I definitelyfeel a lot more comfortable.
Yeah, first time you had me onyour podcast, I just about
passed away, swore I'd never doit oddly enough, one of my most
popular episodes though.
Probably because everyone wascurious about us dating.
Brett (05:07):
That's fair.
Ally (05:07):
All of our old high school friends are probably like what
the heck.
Yeah, now we're old news.
No one cares anymore.
Brett (05:12):
I don't know I think we're pretty cool?
Yeah, we're pretty old news.
Whatever, who cares, fair.
But yeah, I mean that is.
One thing I was going to askyou is, like, how have you found
your voice?
How have you gotten morecomfortable with doing podcasts?
Because, yeah, beginning likewhen I asked you to do that
first one, I remember we were upin a park city and we went into
some random hotel likeconference room and we just
(05:37):
recorded a podcast.
I think it was like 30 minuteslong, 40 minutes long, maybe, um
.
I remember when we finished Iwas like that was my longest
podcast.
Look at, maybe, um.
I remember when we finished Iwas like that was my longest
podcast.
Look at you now.
Look at me now.
Um, but like, yeah, you wereterrified not to call you out,
but you were scared I was likesweating and troubling.
How have you gotten to the pointto now, like you sit down.
You're like okay, let's getthis going probably putting in
(05:59):
the reps.
Ally (06:01):
I think, of course, been on your podcast.
It's like I'm comfortabletalking to you yeah I was
nervous at the time we werefreshly dating.
That's not true.
We were like playing a gamemarried already, but still I
guess yeah yeah, but it was myfirst time.
I hate my voice, I hate being onvideo.
I've always felt awkward infront of a camera and so I just
(06:24):
knew it's gonna be like primeuncomfortable alley.
Yeah, but of course, the moreI've done it I mean I'm just
talking to you if I was onsomeone else's podcast, maybe
I'd be more nervous, justbecause I'm not as comfortable
yeah, we were literally upstairsand I was like you want to go
do one?
Brett (06:39):
right now and you're like , yeah, set up the studio, which
is why we have two chairs now.
So thank you we made it but,yeah.
Ally (06:46):
So I think I I'm just obviously comfortable talking to
you, so that helps.
And then now that blake and Istarted a podcast.
I've just had to practice.
Yeah, I was so unsure aboutstarting a podcast because one
that just never been appealingto me in the beginning.
I enjoy stories, though I wishI was a better storyteller and
(07:07):
I'm working on it and I've nevertalked well.
That's something that really Ithink it was more of an
insecurity where I have neverbeen very well-spoken.
I mumble, I talk fast, all thethings.
That's a nightmare for apodcast listener, and so I think
it came from a place ofinsecurity.
But as time has gone on, Ithink I've just cared less.
(07:30):
Yeah.
Cared less about what peoplethink.
I try to slow down a little bit, not by much.
Brett (07:35):
No, I'm loving this though because, like, everything
you just explained was a reasonfor you like not to start a
podcast.
Like you're like I shouldn't dothis, I don't speak great, I'm
not a great storyteller, likeI'm not good, I don't like
listening to my voice, right.
And you're like, yeah, I'mstill gonna start a podcast, why
not?
And I mean, I all the time Ithink people want to do
(07:59):
something, like they want to goand try something, but the same
thing that you just explained.
Like they'll come up withstories on why they shouldn't do
it.
And, um, like I'll tell someonehey, you should run.
Team tim run 13.1 miles with us.
And they're like I'm not arunner, I'm too old for that, I
don't want to do it.
Meanwhile, like our moms bothran uh, they didn't do the full
(08:20):
marathon, but like they bothsaid they'd never run again.
Um, I actually don't know ifCarmen said that, but maybe she
did.
Ally (08:27):
Before the race yeah, she used to run a bit.
Yeah, she wasn't excited aboutrunning originally, but she's
gotten the bug because of TeamTim.
Brett (08:37):
That's good.
It's like the story that somany people tell themselves on
why they shouldn't do something.
Another example is you being apilot.
It's a very male-dominatedindustry.
Like it's so annoying.
Every time we're on a planepeople are like oh, you're a
flight attendant, even thoughyou're wearing a uniform yeah,
completely suited up, you haveyour wings on and they're like
(08:57):
oh, you're a flight attendant.
Ally (08:58):
Like no, I fly these things.
Brett (09:00):
Yeah, I think that's pretty funny but um, like even
that, like you had to fightthrough all the training and
like I remember during thetraining you were nervous like I
gotta fly these things.
It's pretty crazy but how'd youovercome it?
How'd you just like decide like, yeah, I have all these things
going against me, but I want todo this.
Like what thoughts went throughyour head?
Ally (09:25):
well, I think the biggest factor of not doing things is no
one likes being a beginner it'sespecially as you get older.
You don't really try new thingsas often when you're young
you're putting every sport,you're putting every class like
oh sure, do an art class afterschool, sure, try out gymnastics
, whatever.
(09:45):
You try everything as a kid andso you don't care if you suck,
because everyone's beginners.
And you're kind of all justlearning.
As an adult you're not reallyput in a situation where you're
brand new and you are like theworst at it and I think it'd be
definitely an uncomfortablesituation.
But I have a couple of friendsand like I've seen people on
(10:09):
social media stuff.
I love when people get into newhobbies when they're older and
I think I just become fascinatedwith that yeah trying new
things.
Like I see people who are like30 and they're like oh, I'm
gonna start an indoor trackthing, and you're like that is
so funny because indoor trackthing oh, I didn't tell you
about that no, tell me no, it'sjust this.
She wasn't 30, but she'sprobably 20s, I don't know.
(10:29):
I just saw a video and thisgirl she just missed competing.
Like you don't really competeas much when you get older.
Brett (10:37):
It's like maybe in like the workforce a little bit yeah,
I mean in sales you'll competeto see who like gets the most.
Go to like president's clubhopefully that's what it's
called.
Ally (10:47):
But yeah, so you compete in that way, but you're not like
in sports, you're not reallypushing yourself competitively
physically yeah and so she likejoined some indoor track team or
something along those lineswhere she had her.
She was like so nervous becauseit was her first like race yeah
that she had and it was like atrack me and she just like ran
(11:08):
my.
I don't know how long it was,maybe it's like a 5k, I don't
know, but that'd be fun to do.
Actually, that'd be fun to likejust like go and do something
for the first time you've neverdone before and I just started
really liking that idea of beinga beginner again and I think
that mind shift of seeing otherpeople be beginners and be okay
with it, like not be shy or notbe intimidated, not being the
(11:31):
best, yeah, and I think that waslike the first thing that
really sparked my interest intrying to podcast like still
painting.
That's really all I got goingon, but I was like am I trying
anything?
Brett (11:47):
new.
Ally (11:47):
I need to try new things, but I mean those take a lot of
time, yeah, but I think that'slike where it sparked my
interest I think first podcastspecifically it's because blake
wanted to do it.
I'll be so honest.
Blake came into the kitchen,was like let's do it.
I said, okay, thinking he wasjoking.
And then he's like no, seriously, and it's been so fun, just
another reason to hang out withmy brother and I know that
sounds dumb, but we've alwaysbeen like brother, sister, not
(12:09):
so much hangout friends, and nowwe plan to hang out and like we
talk all the time on the phoneand it's been so fun.
And so I think community, alongwith like the interest of
trying new things, are the twothings that really push me to
try new things and and podcastsand yeah whatever, and running
like without you, like I don'tthink I would be where I'm at
(12:29):
running I would not becompetitive.
Brett (12:30):
Not that I'm like running super competitively like I'm
going to college or anythingcrazy, but well, you got a
marathon in a month almost and Igot ally to sign up for a 50K
this year in the Canyonlands.
Ally (12:46):
My very first 50K.
Brett (12:48):
How do you feel about that?
Ally (12:49):
I cry every time I think about it.
Brett (12:51):
No, you don't, no, I don't, but I am nervous.
Ally (12:53):
I will say we both did 17 miles today.
My knee's been bothering me andso I've been doing exercises
for that, which I think it helpsa little bit.
So I think I am recovering alittle bit.
But thinking about addinganother 20 miles on top of that
really makes me want to cry.
So I'm excited for trailrunning.
(13:14):
I think is the biggest thingI'm excited for.
Yeah, I think I would lovetrail running.
I'm just so scared of animals.
Brett (13:20):
No, the animals won't get you You'll, you'll be so fast.
Ally (13:27):
I'm not faster than a cougar.
Brett (13:28):
No one is, you wouldn't even know they're coming, so
great, yeah, so that is mybiggest fear, too, cougars yes,
I'm there's not so much cougars,for sure bears aren't just
hanging out here next doorthat's what I'm saying.
Ally (13:37):
Cougars, they're sneaky right, but I think with you and
running with blake andpodcasting, I think I like
having my one person who's kindof going through it with me.
I think that really helps me beexcited about it.
If I wasn't with Blake, I forsure wouldn't have started a
podcast yeah if I wasn't withyou, I'd probably be jogging
three miles every three days andsaying like I'm a runner which
(14:02):
technically you would be rightso don't discredit those people
out there who do that not thatI'm discrediting
but that's how I was like all mylife.
I didn't.
I guess I never called myself arunner, I'll be honest.
I but cardio was one of mypreferred exercises, but how
come everyone hates cardio?
Brett (14:21):
why do you like it?
Ally (14:23):
okay, I didn't say like it , don't jump the gun.
I did not say that okay, why doyou?
Brett (14:27):
why do you enjoy it more than most?
Ally (14:30):
I still wouldn't even say enjoy.
I think I'll be so honest.
I've always been pretty chunkyand everyone says cardio is how
you lose weight, and I thinkthat is really why I've always
kind of tried to run thinking Iwas like losing weight when I
never was, because I would dolike the same two miles and be
like, oh yeah, I just killedthat and then go and eat a pizza
, you know, and so it.
(14:51):
Nothing ever triggered for meon how to actually like be
healthy, not even necessarilyskinny, but be healthy and fit
yeah, in terms of likecardiovascular and stuff, and so
I I don't.
I know I for sure would not berunning marathons if I wasn't
with you.
Nevertheless, a 50k.
I barely even signed up for the50k and I'm with you yeah, but
(15:14):
what made you sign up?
Brett (15:14):
then you can't say me there had to be something else,
because if it's just me, that'sthat's a rough reason to run a
race, especially 50k like yougot to have a reason, you got to
have the why.
Ally (15:24):
I always talk about the why crickets, just kidding
crickets, I'm just kidding.
No, you're.
I will say you're a big factorin terms of if you weren't
running ultra marathons, Iprobably would never thought
about it nor would I even knowthat that was a thing like I'm
very unaware of the runningcommunity outside of you, and
but I would say probably justbecause we're always trying to
(15:46):
push ourselves, and of course,the marathon, we're going for
more speed.
Like every time you're on amarathon you're going, trying to
go faster, but I never thoughtabout trying to make the
difficult thing a furtherdistance instead of speed.
And don't get me wrong, 50k I'mprobably gonna be so slow like
that's okay.
Brett (16:04):
we'll have Drew with us too, and he's he's going to be
faster than me.
No, drew, you might be slow.
I was pretty slow for my first50k, so you were not.
Ally (16:13):
you literally came in like eighth after throwing up every
quarter mile.
Don't even pull that on me, butI wasn't, I just thought it
would be a fun shift of goal.
Rather than going for pace,going for distance.
Brett (16:28):
I like that.
Ally (16:29):
And I'm always looking at ways to honor my dad and he
always wanted to do hard things.
So here we go Different type ofhard, but still running.
Brett (16:36):
Yeah, I mean, I love that .
I think it's a good reason.
I want to see what you're ableto do.
Ally (16:44):
Yeah, we'll see if a 50k will ever happen again.
I don't imagine going higherthan a 50k, but we'll see what I
think about it when the timecomes I'm excited.
Brett (16:55):
I think it'll be good I'm sure it will.
I think I'll probably cry quitea bit I mean, come on, think
about it us running in thecanyon lands, which is a
national park that's it that'sit you're gonna be a drew or
like you're gonna get so boredof us you're gonna go way ahead.
Ally (17:11):
Okay, let me tell you this , as I look straight at the
camera I'm nervous where this isgoing well our first team, tim
right brett, and I had beendating for like three weeks oh
no, you can't bring this up.
I was trying to impress you no,I was like but it's like I want
to run with you.
I was like, okay, sweet.
And I was like, just a heads up, I'm super slow.
He's like, okay, I don't thinkwe made it to a quarter mile,
(17:35):
not even a quarter, I think wemade it 0.10.
And brett's like yeah, sorry,see, ya dips, you went so fast
and I just forced drake and Iran together for a while, but
then he cramped up real bad.
Right, and so I just forced youthat happening.
With the 50K, where you're like, yeah, let's do it together,
I'm like, yeah, right, okay, andI see that happening for the
(17:55):
first few miles and then I'llnever see you again.
Brett (17:58):
Well, here's my problem.
I get competitive in thosesituations.
Ally (18:00):
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I don't think you'dbe with me, especially because
you ran a 50K before.
You're going to want to beatyour time.
Brett (18:07):
Yeah, especially if I feel better.
But I bet I could.
Ally (18:10):
Oh my gosh, see, I'm never going to see him on the 50K.
Brett (18:12):
No.
And I'll be like two hoursbehind Drew so I'm going to
finish in like 10 hours aroundeating, waiting for me, having
lunch, having dinner, and thenI'll start pulling up you know I
think about all the timewhenever I'm struggling during a
run and like especially when itcomes to 50k training like
(18:34):
you're on the trails a lot umand like a marathon is a
training run.
Yeah, it's a training, run, um,but I think about, like sally
mcrae's quote all the time, like, choose strong, like what that
actually means.
Like every time you run, youhave I think about, like sally
mcrae's quote all the time, like, choose strong, like what that
actually means.
Like every time you run, youhave a choice to bail out, to
give into what your body says orto keep pushing on.
And what I found with runningis that the more I do it, the
(18:56):
more I recognize that my bodycan handle it.
But it's a mental game at thatpoint.
And so, um, like even today,when we were running 17 miles,
like at 15, the back of myhamstring was cramping up so bad
and I was like there's no wayI'm going to finish this.
And then you're like I got fourmore and I was like how many
are you going for?
And you're like 17.
And I was like, fine, I'll doit too.
(19:18):
And then, um, but like, my bodygot through it and I was able
to run pretty quick at the end.
But it's always a choice tochoose strong or to give in, and
of course, if injuries happen,you should give in.
But I'd say, if you have anyinkling, that you can just keep
going and take one step and keepgoing forward, one step in
(19:41):
front of the other, as they say.
Then I would say, do it, andI'm sure you'll run into that at
the 50k, like I did, and youliterally had to run a couple
laps with me on that one Ididn't have to.
Ally (19:54):
I just want to make sure you're okay yeah, it was rough.
Brett (19:57):
I mean, you saved me like twice you gave me a headlamp
and um.
The first is was it the secondlap that I was dying?
Ally (20:04):
second lap.
I ran the whole thing with you.
Brett (20:06):
Yeah, that was rough, but .
Ally (20:08):
That was frightening, I had the choice to drop out.
Brett (20:09):
Like everyone, even you, I think we're like.
You know it's okay if you guys,if you drop out.
Ally (20:15):
Don't recall saying that.
Brett (20:16):
Maybe not you.
Ally (20:17):
I said get your crap together.
Brett (20:18):
Yeah, I think you did.
Ally (20:25):
I think it was only Dina.
Dina was like your mom was justworried.
I think everyone was likeunderstanding if you dropped out
yeah.
And I would have beenunderstanding if you dropped out
as well, because you were likeheat stroke, if you were injured
or if it was going to literallycause a medical issue.
I would say drop out yeah.
And that's why I kept remindingyou.
I was like either you'dself-harm, like inspect, see if
(20:47):
you're actually going to go tothe hospital, or if you're just
uncomfortable in pain.
Definitely a big differencebetween being in pain and being
injured, and I think.
I have a hard time identifyingthose sometimes, especially
because my knee's been botheringme lately.
It's always difficult to bethinking to yourself is this, if
I continue, am I injuringmyself?
Is it worse?
(21:08):
Or if I continue, if I'm, am Ijust uncomfortable but I can get
through it?
So being able to identify ifit's pain or injury is very
difficult, but I think it'ssomething that you just continue
to work on, developing as youkeep running or keep doing
whatever the hard thing is.
And in your case, I know howbad.
You want to finish it becauseyou're running for Jordan and I
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want you to finish becauseyou're running for Jordan and
for me.
I kind of have made a decisionthat a marathon's a marathon.
26.2, 50k is a 50k halfmarathon's half marathon.
The distance is all thatmatters.
The pace is our pride.
The pace is the part where weare striving to do our best.
If we're going slow, that takesa hit on our pride, but if you
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still finished, you stillcompleted an ultra marathon.
Brett (21:56):
Yeah, that's true.
Ally (21:57):
And so I wanted to kind of remind you when you're going
through that if you're walking,I'll walk with you.
Like, if all you can do is walk, let's finish the stupid thing,
because then you're still anultra marathoner, even if you're
not hitting the time you wantto do.
It's fair.
You did say that multiple times.
Well, I think about that allthe time because I have a hard
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time with that.
If I'm hurting at mile 10 of 17miles, I keep telling myself
okay, I'm just done like I'mthis sucks.
I'm like not hitting my paces.
I quit, but it's.
I think it's worse quitting at10 miles than slowing down a
minute and getting all 17 oh, ohabsolutely, but it's so hard to
tell yourself to do that,because seeing your average pace
go up a minute is likesickening sometimes.
Brett (22:38):
It is true, like it is a very prideful thing.
Ally (22:40):
It's all pride.
Brett (22:41):
Especially like not trying to toot my horn here, but
like running a sub three, likeI feel like everything after
that has to be faster than a subthree, which is hard as hell.
Ally (22:50):
but and this doesn't make sense, like that's just your own
desire yeah, and who knows, Imean I do love ultra marathons.
Brett (22:58):
Right, I've only ran one, but I loved the experience.
Ally (23:01):
I thought it was really cool and the idea of it and the
idea of it um.
Brett (23:07):
So I don't know.
I might make a shift later todo that more because, like my
legs are stronger, I'm puttingon more weight, which I hope is
muscle.
Ally (23:13):
But he's looking handsome handsome.
Brett (23:15):
You heard it here first, but I know I think it's just
important to find things tocontinually challenge yourself
while not quitting, so I likethat yeah, and that's what I
know I'm going to be remindingmyself.
Ally (23:29):
The whole 50K is.
I'm getting the distance done,no matter what.
Yeah.
Like, even if I have to walk.
Brett (23:36):
You know what I'll be reminding myself.
Ally (23:37):
Hmm.
Brett (23:38):
The man in the arena.
Ally (23:40):
Tell us more.
Brett (23:41):
It's my favorite quote, teddy Roosevelt.
But basically the quote saysbecause I don't have it on me so
I'm not going to quote it thatthe credit goes to the man in
the arena who tries and if hefails, at least he failed daring
greatly and he's going to godown with the people who have
blood, sweat and dust on theirface because they tried
something great, and not withthe cold, timid souls who didn't
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have the guts to even try.
It's probably one of myfavorite quotes ever.
Ally (24:08):
Teddy's the man.
Brett (24:09):
Teddy Roosevelt lived a strenuous life and a lot of
lessons that we can take fromthat.
But he is the man, he's a beast.
Ally (24:21):
I love his story because, like his whole thing was, he was
a scrawny asthmatic kid.
Brett (24:24):
Asthmatic, it says it.
I'm sorry he had asthma.
Ally (24:26):
I just never heard it said like that Asthmatic.
I don't know why that was funnyto me.
I just imagine some man notbeing able to breathe, child
Some child.
I had asthma.
Brett (24:36):
I still do.
Ally (24:37):
Yeah.
Brett (24:38):
I'm asthmatic.
Ally (24:39):
I don't know why that's so funny to me, I've never heard
it as a description.
Brett (24:43):
Yeah, but I think that's a cool story too, because he's
this skinny kid who has healthissues but like his dad's, like
build up your body, like getstronger, and so he's like I'm
going to go hike and startboxing and lifting rocks and
logs, which he did.
It was pretty cool, um.
And then he built himself up towhere, like now, everyone knows
him as Teddy Roosevelt, thecaptain of the rough riders, the
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guy who would carry a big stick.
Ally (25:08):
That's so funny because those are the only things I
didn't know about TeddyRoosevelt.
Brett (25:11):
That he carried a big stick.
Ally (25:12):
And that he was.
I don't know about the RoughRiders.
Brett (25:14):
I think he was the general of the Rough Riders.
He pretty much made this likeragtag group of like hard
mountain men that fought in theSpanish-American War and they
all rode like horses and stuffand were just nuts Like they
rode like horses and stuff andwere just nuts like they were
crazy.
It's like navy seals on horses,maybe not as extensive.
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I mean, they use swords andstuff too back then.
Ally (25:36):
So that's neat.
Wild, would you say.
Teddy or winston, are you abigger fan of?
Winston churchill really yeah,he defeated the nazis okay, I
mean that's a good reason, yeah,but by what they stood, by what
they lived by, they seemed likethey had very similar yeah very
similar, um like mindsets, Iwould say.
Brett (25:58):
But I don't know teddy roosevelt.
He did some pretty amazingthings, but winston churchill
literally had to bear the weightof an entire nation in a world
at war because they were thefinal line for the germans um to
break through and the germanswould have won and like I can't
imagine dealing with that andstill being able to like make
decisions, to be like, okay,well, I have a clear head, like
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I understand why the guy drankso much and smoked all the time
yeah, this is why I love that.
Ally (26:27):
You're a nerd is the only thing I know about.
History is through you.
Brett (26:31):
Unfortunately, I never paid attention in school when it
came to history, you got to becareful.
Then what if I get it wrong?
That's true.
Ally (26:36):
Well, I trust everything you say, so fact check yourself
before you tell me.
Brett (26:39):
That's fair, true?
I like that.
I want to go back to somethingyou said about your dad.
You said he always talked aboutdoing hard things.
Was that a core value he triedto talk about his entire life?
(27:00):
Was that something that even asa kid, you noticed him saying
things like that?
Ally (27:06):
Yes, I don't know if he always phrased it just like that
, but he was big on do somethingthat scares you, like when we
talked about family goals likeevery new year's and stuff like
that.
That was one thing that hewanted us to choose a goal that
scared us, whatever that lookslike.
(27:27):
It could be fitness, it couldbe financial, it could be
whatever.
Typically it was a physicalgoal.
You wanted us to choose a goalin every category and usually
the physical one was the scaryone yeah, do you remember what
your first one was?
oh gosh, not my first, I don'tknow.
Usually it was like a certainamount of miles or I'd do like a
10k or something and I'm tryingto remember, or it's like
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losing a certain amount ofpounds which never got off.
You know, like most of thesegoals I rarely made it through,
like march.
You know, like these goalsweren't lasting long but we
would talk about them throughoutthe year and he kind of check
up on us and see how we're doing, and I don't think he was like
pushing us to, just as 10 yearolds, to try and lose, like five
pounds or whatever.
Brett (28:12):
I was trying to do when I was 10, which is crazy, but I
was packing it on at that age Iwas like give me all the potato
tacos from taco bell oh gosh, 10years old, I was trying to lose
weight my entire life.
Ally (28:24):
I can't remember a time where I wasn't thinking about my
weight really until likerecently, where I'm like
comfortable.
But I think I think a lot ofpeople struggle with that myself
included yeah, I don't mean togo off a tangent.
My mom was just so fit when Iwas like that about that age,
like 12 and stuff well, she wasa trainer, right, and she
competed, right, she was in bodysculpting competition when her
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first one was 50 years old.
So see, that makes that's why Iwas 14 when she did her first
body sculpting competition dangand, yeah, she worked at the gym
.
She was like a cycle, like acycle teacher and a body pump
and stuff.
So I always saw her and then Ifelt so embarrassed that she had
a fat kid and that's like how Ialways saw myself.
And so from a really young ageI was always trying to like make
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her more proud, like to have athinner daughter.
She had never said that shewanted a skinny daughter.
She had never said like thatshe was embarrassed at me or
anything like that.
These are just stories you tellyourself because you see your
parents live in a certain way.
Yeah, and I I was like so proudof her, but I definitely I had
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very bad self-talk at that timeespecially.
But my dad definitely alwaysenforced like doing hard things
throughout our entire lives.
It looked different year to yearof course, which makes sense,
and he always talked about doingthe hard thing first.
So, like on Saturdays, even insummer, he'd make us get up at
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like 7 in the morning.
We'd have to do all of ourchores, we had to go to the gym
or like work out of some sort,and then we could play or take a
nap if we're still tired, orsomething like that.
He always wanted us to dochores and exercise in the
morning, whatever that lookedlike.
He's like you can go on a walk,you can go on a walk, you can
go on a run, you can go to thegym, I'll take you.
It didn't matter what it was.
He just thought it was reallyimportant to do hard work first
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and move your body.
He was big on that, which isfunny.
Brett (30:15):
I love that.
Ally (30:16):
He wasn't even huge on exercise himself.
He tried, but he called himselfskinny fat because he ate
horrible.
He just never looked obese.
He just never looked obese.
Yeah, and we would go on runsin the morning together when I
was like 12 and he was likeshuffling like he was 80 years
(30:36):
old, you know, and I can barelyrun I'm a little butterball and
but we would try.
You know, we'd like him and Iwere kind of buddies in that way
.
We were about the chunkier ones.
Blake was always fit and likereally strong with mom and me
and dad were always trying tosneaky brownies together.
You know we were like badinfluences for each other, like
we'd go mcdonald's and momdidn't know, not that she would
(30:58):
care you need a partner in crimeyeah, and he was my partner in
crime and that's cute, but hestill emphasized how important
it was, so he taught me thelesson.
It was more like do what I say,not as I do sometimes yeah
which is fine.
He totally acknowledged that too.
He was like I know I'm notgreat, but I'm exercising in the
morning with you guys, you know, and he's going on a walk just
like the rest of us.
Yeah, um, so it was alwaystaught.
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I think my mom definitelyshowed more by getting things
done, which is kind of funny,but my dad was like the teacher
yeah, I love that but my dad waslike, working hard in other
ways, like he was non-stop, likefor his jobs.
He was so good at being presentwith the family.
He was so good at serving likebehind closed doors, never knew
(31:40):
when he was serving until hepassed and everyone's telling me
all of a sudden, but like hewas always working hard on
relationships and making surethat we are comfortable and he
had enough to share witheverybody.
Yeah, like he was so, so goodat that.
Exercise was a kind of do, as Isay, but but he taught me the
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lessons and mom was a greatexample of it as well, and so I
I've always learned it.
It took me 20 extra years tofigure it out, but now look at
you until I lived with you.
Then I was like, oh, that's howit's supposed to be done.
Brett (32:15):
Made sense all of a sudden I mean, it's just
consistency, really, when itcomes down to it which I never
had I think it's.
Uh, there's actually this quotethat I saw on my ipad when I
was just looking for um thatchat thing, but it's from Jeremy
Bentham.
Ally (32:31):
Who is that man?
Brett (32:32):
I have no idea, but he has a great quote.
He says, the rarest of allhuman qualities is consistency.
Why do you think that is?
Ally (32:41):
I think it's difficult.
I think, well speaking fromexperience, I'll say that first.
All right, Well, speaking fromexperience, I'll say that first.
All right.
For me, one being consistent isdifficult.
Usually it's a hard thing to beconsistent with, but I think
routine can get boring.
Brett (33:01):
Yeah for sure.
Ally (33:02):
Doing the same thing every day is so hard for me.
I hate when two days aresimilar and I know that's very
opposite of you.
You love your, you love yourstructure, yep, and I do not
like structure maybe that's oneof the reasons I can be so
consistent I think so I mean,definitely makes sense.
I think it's kind of part ofyour personality, with what you
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like, and I think that's whyit's hard for me is because I
don't like any two days the same.
The gym now has become more oflike a daily thing where you
don't have to think about it, soit doesn't feel like
consistency because it's like apart of your day, which I think
that's the trick to makingthings consistent where it's.
It's not a negotiable right.
(33:45):
It's just part of your day, asif you just woke up and brush
your teeth and I think, becauseI'm with you, it helps a ton.
I didn't.
I never learned that every dayI was making a decision to go.
Now, it's okay, I'm gonna dothat.
And then what's my decisionsafter that?
yeah so I think that helps.
But it's so hard to just decideto do the difficult.
(34:05):
Well, usually it's difficult.
Do the same thing over and overand over.
I think it gets bland a lot oftimes.
I think you need to mix it up.
Like I was just talking to mybrother and I told him how I had
10 miles the other day.
I was like, oh my gosh, I donot want to go run.
And he's like, why don't you dolike pilates one time and then
cycling once, and then hot yogaand then run and then do this?
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And then, yeah, he's like mixit up.
If you're getting bored of yourroutine, it doesn't mean to
stop, it means make anadjustment and keep doing it.
Brett (34:35):
Which is good advice.
Honestly, if you can add thingsto add variety to it and make
it feel a little bit more novel,then that's a good thing, if it
allows you to stick with it forthe long haul.
But I mean, you said it's likeit is a decision that you have
to make.
Um, ultimately, like fromdiscipline, you have to make the
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decision to be disciplined,which is why it's so hard, like
even with the podcast, withrunning myself.
Like, yes, there's many dayswhen I'm like, oh man, I'm too
tired, too tired, I don't wantto run, or I don't have anything
I can really talk about on thepodcast.
Maybe I won't record, but it'slike it's so important to do
those things and stay committedto yourself because, like, your
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word is everything, and if yousay you're going to run but
don't actually do it, I think,in my head at least for me, it's
like I don't trust myselfanymore, like I don't know if I
can hold, you know, promises,that great Cause I can't hold
promises to myself.
Like I'm going to go run, but Idon't like that.
(35:42):
Only that only hurts me.
Um, of course there'scircumstantial things that pop
up, but if you can and I knowit's hard to sometimes make
those decisions, but staycommitted to it and be
consistent.
It's hard but it's worth it.
Ally (36:01):
Let me ask you this there's something that I know we
both struggle with.
Okay.
Like I said, I was supposed todo the 10 miles on thursday.
My knee was really bothering me.
It's like sharp pain yeah andit bothered me so bad.
You know how mad I was.
Yeah, I was like brett wasbeing so nice, like I'm proud of
you for trying your lady textedme and said I love you, but I
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don't want to hear that rightnow.
Brett (36:25):
Yeah, I'm like okay that was me saying, like a nice shut
up no, I know, yeah, and youdidn't respond and I felt bad
about it.
I just let you have your thing.
Ally (36:34):
Yeah, I needed to simmer for a minute, so let me ask you
that we have these goals, we'reconsistent.
How do you have any techniquesfor yourself which I know that
was frightening If you'rewatching the video yourself
which I know you, that wasfrightening If you're watching
the video.
If you're not watching, go toSpotify.
(36:55):
Oh no, go, look at the video.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
No, don't do it.
We're at 36 minutes right now.
Don't go watch it.
Ally (37:01):
I just saw the wildest thing I've ever seen.
She's making it.
That was wild Absurd.
Okay, sorry, sorry, go.
That was wild absurd.
Okay, sorry, sorry, go ahead.
Like I was saying that wascrazy.
Like I was saying I know wesuck at this.
How do you not put all yourself-worth in your goals,
(37:22):
because so much confidence comefrom achieving goals and that's
why you set a goal yeah it'slike you want the result and you
want self-confidence.
Goals is perfect for thosethings.
You're not hitting a goal.
How do you not put yourselfconfidence in not hitting a goal
?
Brett (37:36):
yeah, ruin your worth.
That's fair, um, I mean, I'mnot perfect at it, but I've
gotten a lot better okay, howhave you gotten better?
Well, I'm going to talk aboutit.
Um, so, yeah, I mean, everytime I don't do something like
this, like this week is a goodexample.
Okay, I was sick Sunday night.
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Thank you, parents, and littlechildren Easter and didn't work
out Monday, didn't work outTuesday.
Ally (38:06):
Pause.
Monday I got in town.
We took a five-hour nap on.
Monday Went to bed at 8.30,woke up at 8.30 the next day.
Brett (38:15):
That's true, that's how zonked.
I was out the entire day.
I was awake for maybe an hourand a half but struggling, and
then, even on that day, when Iwas stuck in bed, I was like man
, I'm a loser, I'm not runningor I'm not lifting weights, and
it's so irrational to think thatwhen you're in that state, and
(38:38):
then, like Tuesday, I wasfeeling a little bit better, I
went to work, um, but like mybody was still super weak and I
was like, I'll just try and workout when I get home.
Um, didn't happen because,again, I was super tired and my
body was weak.
But that's one of the thingsthat's like circumstantial that
I'm.
It's a little bit easier todeal with when you do have those
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thoughts.
It's like, well, I've been sick, it's fine.
But I would say the best thingthat I've learned that's helped
me overcome some of thosethoughts about like man, you
suck man, you're not who you sayyou are, you're slipping.
This is just move on, move onto the next day.
(39:24):
You can't change the past, youcan't live in the past.
It's like what the Stokestalked about Like you can't
change the future or you can'tlook into the future.
You can't change the past, sowhy worry about it.
Like live in the moment andI've told you this a few times.
But like there are days whensometimes I don't run or lift or
anything like that and I feelpretty bad about myself.
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But then I'm like I'm not goingto let that ruin my day.
Like yeah, I didn't hit my goal, but I'm not my bad days and
there's no reason to let thathold me back for this day.
Like I can still do really wellat work, I can still have fun
with you when I'm home and wecan do whatever.
Like if I took that attitudeand was like man, I suck and I
(40:08):
show up to work and I'm likemaybe I can't even do my job and
I show up at home and I'm likemaybe I'm a terrible husband,
like it just snowballs into,like terrible thoughts about
yourself all day long and I'dsay the best thing to do is just
move on.
Be like, hey, I might haveslipped up today, I might have
missed the mark today, buttomorrow I'll be back at it.
It's just trying to haveperspective.
Nothing's going to change inone day, but over a week you
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might see some.
I'm saying if you don't workout, nothing's going to change
in a day In a week, maybe you'llsee some fitness lost In a
month.
For sure In a year you'll be adifferent person.
That's if you don't work out.
But, like you, let one day goby and then you're back out of
the next day.
It's nothing.
It's like same with the podcast, like I missed an episode last
week because, or this week Ididn't put one out on Monday
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because I was in Arizona andjust made excuses.
And I'm like you know what thisthing is important to me.
I need to make time for it.
Even if I'm in Arizona, itdoesn't matter, we travel a lot.
I have to make time for it.
So I would say it's taught meto have perspective as a
long-winded answer, but I hopeit helped.
Ally (41:20):
That makes sense.
We talk about perspective a lot.
Yeah, it reminds me of a video Isaw once and it was along those
lines.
This person just like a visualof that exact concept, like
pouring a glass of water andbarely spilling and then end up
just dumping the whole thingover because like that's how it
is, like oh, you're taking yourlaundry to your bedroom or
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something.
You drop a sock, so you justdump the whole laundry basket.
It's like really how it is,like you had one bad thing and
then you just throw the day away.
Yeah, so it's like I don'tremember the other visuals that
they um did in that exactexample, but but the concept
stands where you can either havea bad moment or make it a bad
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day, or make it a bad week orwhatever, and I understand that
it's definitely hard to havethat perspective once you're in
the heat of it.
Right.
Because it's so frustratingsometimes and not even with just
exercise, Like you'll have likea bad grade or something and
you're like I'm going to flunk.
You know, it can be a littledramatic.
(42:26):
I was just thinking, as you'resaying that, with perspective,
and you know I've been talking alot about thinking like
celestially, or we say likeheavenly think in the live in
the present, but like thinkforward at the same time.
And I was thinking about likewhen I was really frustrated on
Thursday, the only thing thatwas helping me calm down was
starting to listen to Christianmusic and Christian content.
(42:48):
You do love that stuff.
I love Christian music, I loveChristian content.
I soak it up God is good.
God is good.
And it helps me just bring itback to reality.
I'm like this is soinsignificant.
Yeah.
And then one thing that you'vetalked about recently which I've
really liked, is rememberingyour identity as like a son or
daughter of god yes, absolutelyhow come you've been focused on
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that so much lately?
Brett (43:10):
um, I mean, I've dealt with self-worth issues my entire
life and, like I've talkedabout fat bread on this podcast
but we love him we love fatbread.
He was so cool, but I miss himlike, even in that time I would
swim with my shirt on, like Iwas.
I was the type of kid that,like, was embarrassed about his
body.
Um, and then, when I got supersick, look at those two fatties
(43:32):
getting married, yeah well, Iwas about to say when I was
super sick and 135 pounds, yeah,um, I looked like a skeleton
and I was again reallyembarrassed about how I looked.
You would always say I thinkyou saw me one time at church
and I ran away.
It's because I was embarrassed.
One of the reasons I wasembarrassed was because of how I
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looked.
Ally (43:53):
I literally was trying to chase you down.
I was like I haven't seen thatguy in five years.
I should go say hi.
I also heard that Brett wassick.
I say, brett, I'm sorry.
I also heard that Brett wassick.
I say, brett, I'm sorry I'mtalking to the audience that
Brett was sick and I wasconcerned, so I wanted to catch
up and I was like, well, maybehe's anorexic Because I saw you
from a distance, but I nevercaught up.
Brett (44:12):
Yeah, but then, yeah, I've always had like self-image
issues, but knowing that, likeI'm a son of God and was made in
his image and like he caresenough about me to take care of
me in this life, like give megreat parents, like I don't know
, I mean, there's something tothat.
(44:33):
That's like if you canunderstand what it's like to be
the son of God, like we all aresons and daughters of god,
understand that our body istemporary and we're made for so
much more than just like livinghere on earth, like there's so
much more that we can't evencomprehend that we are promised
(44:55):
if we live righteously and likelive a good, righteous life,
live a good, righteous life, um,and I think it also just helps
me remember that I'm immortaland you know, I'm not at that
state of God yet, but like, whenI live with him again, I will
be exalted.
Um, it just helps me rememberwho I am and like goes back to
(45:19):
like running, podcasting, doingmy job.
All those things are important,but they don't matter in the
long end, because what reallymatters is that I am a son of
God and I will return to livewith my Heavenly Father.
Ally (45:33):
One thing I like to think about is our actions matter.
Is our actions matter, right?
We can't just say, like in ourbelief, that just like Christ is
king and that's that we can golive a sinful life.
Actions matter and showing upevery day matters, but our worth
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doesn't change because of ourdecisions.
Our worth is permanent in thesight of God.
Our worth is not reflective ofhow we are choosing to act.
What we do and do not do, ourworth is constant.
Of course, when you slip up youneed to repent, like there are
(46:19):
like good and bad actions andthere's like moral and un-moral
things.
But regardless of our actions,at least we can know that we are
still so loved by someone whoknows us perfectly yeah and I
try to remind myself like godknows me so perfectly thorough
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in and out, and he I know heloves me as a daughter of god,
and because he knows me soperfectly and knows our neighbor
so perfectly and we both sin indifferent ways yeah and loves
us still regardless.
I guess I could do a little bitbetter about loving myself and
my neighbor.
Brett (47:03):
I love that.
I think, honestly, the bestanalogy that I can think of this
is going to be a rough one,because I don't have kids yet,
but as a future dad, I can'timagine how much love I'm going
to have for my kids, our kids.
Ally (47:21):
Especially with how obsessed you are with me.
Yeah, it's going to be insaneI'm going to have for my kids,
our kids, especially with howobsessed you are with me.
Brett (47:23):
Yeah, it's going to be insane.
I'm going to be wrapped aroundtheir fingers, it's going to be
dangerous.
I know I'm worried, but Icannot imagine the love I'm
going to have for them, becauseI've seen the glimmer of love
that I have for you and creatinga child together and loving
that thing is going to be nuts.
And so I'm sure, like, like Idid in high school and
(47:44):
throughout junior high orwhatever, but like you make
stupid mistakes and you makedumb decisions, I'm not going to
love that kid any less for thestupid things that he does or
she.
Um, unless they like, I'm notgoing to love them less.
I'll be disappointed.
I'm not going to love them less.
And so whenever I'm having likea hard day mentally with like my
(48:05):
own self-worth, I try and dothat same thing and be like how
does God think of me?
Like he knows I'm going to makemistakes, we're all imperfect.
The only perfect person on thisearth was Jesus Christ.
And knowing that, like I knowhe still loves me, I know he
still cares about me, he wantsme to be happy, and that's just
(48:26):
kind of what I think about islike that analogy of like how
would I love my kid?
Ally (48:30):
I like how you said you love him, but you can make
disappointed for sure and Ithink that's where that's
important.
Like shame, guilt,embarrassment, those are
important.
Emotions like that means youwant to like.
You need to change something.
Yeah.
And I think when I think of Godloving me, I'm like that's great
.
Or my parents.
I'll say my mom loving me.
I know I'll always have herlove and I know you and I are
(48:54):
both so fortunate to haveparents who love us in such a
way that we understand God'slove.
Yeah, I am well aware thatpeople don't have that in their
lives and I can imagine it'd behard to comprehend God's love
with parents that aren'tavailable for you.
But I know we are veryfortunate.
We had incredible parents andso we.
I think we have a little bit ofa better insight of God's love
(49:15):
for us.
But I know I disappoint my momsometimes.
I know I disappointed my dadsometimes, and I think that's
good.
I disappointed my dad sometimesand I think that's good.
Like, disappointment shows roomfor improvement, it shows where
to adjust and I think, now thatI'm thinking about this and
we're having this conversation,I think that's just as important
to have in ourselves.
(49:35):
I think it's okay to bedisappointed in ourselves.
We didn't hit a run, we cheatedon our diet, we were mean to
somebody.
Yeah, be disappointed, that'san important feeling to have, to
recognize a need for change ofbehavior, but it doesn't mean
you need to love yourself anyless.
It doesn't mean that your worthdecreased whatsoever, but those
(49:56):
emotions are signaling you foradjustment and I think that's
important.
I love that, which the more Ithink about it, as we're talking
about it, I need to startrecognizing this in the moment a
lot better.
Brett (50:11):
It's hard, it really is hard, like it's something like I
talked about with consistency,that you have to practice and
you have to choose to bedisciplined with it.
Right.
And, like I said, I'm gettingbetter at it, I'm working on it,
it, but it's because I'mchoosing more often than not to
have grace with myself and tojust pick it back up and be
stronger the next day.
Ally (50:30):
so I think it's good yeah, gross feeling, gross feeling,
but learn from it.
Yeah, learn from it.
Brett (50:37):
And move on, get after it again the next day again and
again.
Ally (50:41):
No, I agree.
I was just curious your stanceon that because I know you and I
both struggle with it and I'msure the whole world struggles
with it yeah, um, if you don't,message me, please and tell me
your secrets yeah, that's got tobe some delusional person, I
think yeah because I don't thinkthat anyone either way, a
delusional person could be funmaybe delusional is the way the
(51:03):
happiness to life, maybe it isbe delusional yeah, I didn't
hear that here on this podcast.
Brett (51:09):
Yeah, erase that, take it out.
Ally (51:11):
Edit you're the one editing I'm not editing this.
Brett (51:14):
I don't edit this.
Ally (51:15):
It's true, it's all raw anyways, I was just curious on
your opinion on that, somethingI strive for understanding every
day well, I love it.
Brett (51:22):
I think that's a solid place to end is just understand
your self-worth and try to benicer to yourself, because you
can't get after it if you'refilling your head with negative
thoughts.
You have to believe that you'resomeone who's worth getting
after.
Ally (51:36):
But at the same time hold yourself accountable, I think.
Brett (51:43):
Extreme ownership baby.
Ally (51:44):
Extreme ownership, Like you can't love yourself to the
point where you put yourself ina little comfort bubble and
don't do hard things.
You let too many workouts slide.
You just eat a pizza, a fullpizza every day, I think.
If you're feeling gross aboutstuff.
If you feel embarrassed, youfeel disgusted, you feel
disappointed, listen to youremotions, understand why you're
feeling that way, but it doesn'tchange who you are as a person,
(52:09):
of course.
But love yourself in a way thatyou want to keep care of
yourself, not feel thatdisappointment and that
discouragement.
Brett (52:18):
Let yourself out of that I love that work your way out
it's a great place to end mylove well, thanks for having me
it's always a pleasure.
You're my favorite guest and,uh, yeah, I always enjoy a
conversation, so, um, I hopethis was helpful and fun to
listen to for everyone out there.
(52:38):
If, uh, if you want to rate theshow, it would help a lot, so
please do rate it, comment,repost all the things.
Ally (52:45):
I'm his number one fan, so you'll see me doing that every
single week yeah, do what mywife says, yes, or she'll hunt
you down I will, I'll find youand until next episode, everyone
keep getting after it.
Explain to me what frumpy means.
Ally (00:03):
What you don't know, what frumpy means.
Brett (00:05):
No, tell me about it.
Ally (00:07):
Take a look right here.
This is what a frumpy outfitlooks like Just baggy,
unflattering kind of.
Brett (00:13):
Well, you're wearing my Jordan sweater Right.
Ally (00:16):
So Right right.
Brett (00:19):
Anyways, I was just curious.
She started off the podcastsaying I look frumpy, I'm like I
don't know what that means.
Ally (00:29):
How do?
You, curious you.
She started off the podcastsaying I look frumpy, I'm like I
don't know what that means.
Brett (00:31):
So, okay, you can tell you're a boy, that you don't
know what frumpy means.
Well, that's okay.
All jokes aside, welcome backto the podcast, my love thank
you, glad to be here and ifyou're this, we're making
progress on the studio.
It's happening step by step,but it is happening.
Ally (00:48):
Look at our matching mustard chairs.
Brett (00:50):
We got mustard chairs.
Can't beat that your cup ishiding your beautiful art.
There's the original GettingAfter it artwork.
Ally (01:00):
Kind of embarrassing Painted by my lovely wife.
I did it for you.
Brett (01:04):
I know it's very nice I'm in love.
That's why how are things going?
Ally (01:08):
things are great.
This is probably the longeststretch of time that I get to be
in utah that is true in a longtime.
Blessings so I think I'm herefor five days, which is exciting
very nice um, but yeah, justsame old, same old.
I wish there was more.
Just working running, haven'tbeen very crafty podcasting
yourself, podcasting myself.
But yeah, just same old, sameold.
I wish there was more.
Just working running, haven'tbeen very crafty lately
Podcasting yourself.
Podcasting myself.
(01:29):
Yeah, that's been quite thetrip.
Brett (01:32):
How has Siblings in Crime been going?
Ally (01:35):
It's been fun.
Blake and I are in differentstates most of the time, so
trying to figure out how to makepodcasts in different states
has been kind of a nightmare.
We never have good lighting, wenever have good audio, we never
have good video, so it's been awork, all the pains of starting
a podcast.
Right, so it's been kind of nota pretty start, but I mean
(01:59):
we're at episode 19 this week.
This coming week's going to bethe 20th.
Brett (02:02):
That's legit, so you're going to be in the top 1%.
That's what that means, huh 20episodes is the top 1% of
podcasters.
Ally (02:09):
Look at us Siblings and Crime top 1%.
Love to hear it.
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
You want to know why?
I actually have some facts onthat.
Oh, your data.
Tell me more.
Brett (02:16):
So I looked into that a and I told you yesterday I was
watching a bunch of videos andstuff about podcasting
specifically and I found thisone video that was actually
legit and I wonder if it'll comeup here.
Let's see.
Yeah, here we go.
So I thought this wasinteresting.
Talked about like how to createa successful podcast and all
(02:44):
this stuff, which I reallyenjoyed, but he had this like
whole part of of key data pointsand stuff like that from
podcasting and I'm trying tofind where it was at here.
It is Okay, we're good.
So top 10 podcasts in the world.
They capture 35% of all podcastlisteners 35 is crazy.
Ally (03:04):
actually it's insane.
Brett (03:04):
So today there are 450,000 active podcasts.
They capture 35% of all podcastlisteners.
35 is crazy.
Actually it's insane.
So today there are 450,000active podcasts.
During COVID, guess how manythere were.
Take a guess Everyone's at home.
How many people do you thinkstarted a podcast?
Ally (03:16):
So started a podcast or kept a podcast rolling.
Brett (03:19):
Started one and now no longer do it.
So they were active at the time, but now Think about like now
there's only 450 000 activepodcasters okay, so you're
making it sound like it's a fatnumber, like a million or
something insane that's close.
Ally (03:31):
Yeah, 800 000 people during covid um, so there's been
quite a big drop off which isfunny because I feel like
nowadays is when you're seeingall the tic-tocks that are like
everybody's starting a podcastright now yeah which is true.
Podcasting is like a fun thingto do.
Yeah, it's cool, but I'mshocked that there was more.
(03:54):
I mean, it makes sense as faras everyone was home, but I'm
shocked because I feel likethat's when podcasting was just
starting, so not as many peopleknew about it or like had the
equipment for it.
I think it was like kind ofjust getting big like 2019, 2020
yeah, that's.
Brett (04:12):
I mean jaco podcast.
That was like my first podcastI listened to all the time.
Started listening to that in2018, when it like first
launched and honestly, I thinklike the podcasts that are
successful are just the mostconsistent ones.
Um, because, like joe rogan,he's the number one podcaster.
Ally (04:31):
He's been doing it for 12 years but he was also famous
before and he has like reallyinteresting guests yeah, but
it's because he's done it for solong right, right.
I mean obviously, the more youdo something, the better you get
, typically yeah that's likeusually a common trend.
Those go hand in hand, um, so Iguess I can definitely see that
correlating you've seen in yourown podcast I mean we're only
(04:54):
19 episodes in, but I definitelyfeel a lot more comfortable.
Yeah, first time you had me onyour podcast, I just about
passed away, swore I'd never doit oddly enough, one of my most
popular episodes though.
Probably because everyone wascurious about us dating.
Brett (05:07):
That's fair.
Ally (05:07):
All of our old high school friends are probably like what
the heck.
Yeah, now we're old news.
No one cares anymore.
Brett (05:12):
I don't know I think we're pretty cool?
Yeah, we're pretty old news.
Whatever, who cares, fair.
But yeah, I mean that is.
One thing I was going to askyou is, like, how have you found
your voice?
How have you gotten morecomfortable with doing podcasts?
Because, yeah, beginning likewhen I asked you to do that
first one, I remember we were upin a park city and we went into
some random hotel likeconference room and we just
(05:37):
recorded a podcast.
I think it was like 30 minuteslong, 40 minutes long, maybe, um
.
I remember when we finished Iwas like that was my longest
podcast.
Look at, maybe, um.
I remember when we finished Iwas like that was my longest
podcast.
Look at you now.
Look at me now.
Um, but like, yeah, you wereterrified not to call you out,
but you were scared I was likesweating and troubling.
How have you gotten to the pointto now, like you sit down.
You're like okay, let's getthis going probably putting in
(05:59):
the reps.
Ally (06:01):
I think, of course, been on your podcast.
It's like I'm comfortabletalking to you yeah I was
nervous at the time we werefreshly dating.
That's not true.
We were like playing a gamemarried already, but still I
guess yeah yeah, but it was myfirst time.
I hate my voice, I hate being onvideo.
I've always felt awkward infront of a camera and so I just
(06:24):
knew it's gonna be like primeuncomfortable alley.
Yeah, but of course, the moreI've done it I mean I'm just
talking to you if I was onsomeone else's podcast, maybe
I'd be more nervous, justbecause I'm not as comfortable
yeah, we were literally upstairsand I was like you want to go
do one?
Brett (06:39):
right now and you're like , yeah, set up the studio, which
is why we have two chairs now.
So thank you we made it but,yeah.
Ally (06:46):
So I think I I'm just obviously comfortable talking to
you, so that helps.
And then now that blake and Istarted a podcast.
I've just had to practice.
Yeah, I was so unsure aboutstarting a podcast because one
that just never been appealingto me in the beginning.
I enjoy stories, though I wishI was a better storyteller and
(07:07):
I'm working on it and I've nevertalked well.
That's something that really Ithink it was more of an
insecurity where I have neverbeen very well-spoken.
I mumble, I talk fast, all thethings.
That's a nightmare for apodcast listener, and so I think
it came from a place ofinsecurity.
But as time has gone on, Ithink I've just cared less.
(07:30):
Yeah.
Cared less about what peoplethink.
I try to slow down a little bit, not by much.
Brett (07:35):
No, I'm loving this though because, like, everything
you just explained was a reasonfor you like not to start a
podcast.
Like you're like I shouldn't dothis, I don't speak great, I'm
not a great storyteller, likeI'm not good, I don't like
listening to my voice, right.
And you're like, yeah, I'mstill gonna start a podcast, why
not?
And I mean, I all the time Ithink people want to do
(07:59):
something, like they want to goand try something, but the same
thing that you just explained.
Like they'll come up withstories on why they shouldn't do
it.
And, um, like I'll tell someonehey, you should run.
Team tim run 13.1 miles with us.
And they're like I'm not arunner, I'm too old for that, I
don't want to do it.
Meanwhile, like our moms bothran uh, they didn't do the full
(08:20):
marathon, but like they bothsaid they'd never run again.
Um, I actually don't know ifCarmen said that, but maybe she
did.
Ally (08:27):
Before the race yeah, she used to run a bit.
Yeah, she wasn't excited aboutrunning originally, but she's
gotten the bug because of TeamTim.
Brett (08:37):
That's good.
It's like the story that somany people tell themselves on
why they shouldn't do something.
Another example is you being apilot.
It's a very male-dominatedindustry.
Like it's so annoying.
Every time we're on a planepeople are like oh, you're a
flight attendant, even thoughyou're wearing a uniform yeah,
completely suited up, you haveyour wings on and they're like
(08:57):
oh, you're a flight attendant.
Ally (08:58):
Like no, I fly these things.
Brett (09:00):
Yeah, I think that's pretty funny but um, like even
that, like you had to fightthrough all the training and
like I remember during thetraining you were nervous like I
gotta fly these things.
It's pretty crazy but how'd youovercome it?
How'd you just like decide like, yeah, I have all these things
going against me, but I want todo this.
Like what thoughts went throughyour head?
Ally (09:25):
well, I think the biggest factor of not doing things is no
one likes being a beginner it'sespecially as you get older.
You don't really try new thingsas often when you're young
you're putting every sport,you're putting every class like
oh sure, do an art class afterschool, sure, try out gymnastics
, whatever.
(09:45):
You try everything as a kid andso you don't care if you suck,
because everyone's beginners.
And you're kind of all justlearning.
As an adult you're not reallyput in a situation where you're
brand new and you are like theworst at it and I think it'd be
definitely an uncomfortablesituation.
But I have a couple of friendsand like I've seen people on
(10:09):
social media stuff.
I love when people get into newhobbies when they're older and
I think I just become fascinatedwith that yeah trying new
things.
Like I see people who are like30 and they're like oh, I'm
gonna start an indoor trackthing, and you're like that is
so funny because indoor trackthing oh, I didn't tell you
about that no, tell me no, it'sjust this.
She wasn't 30, but she'sprobably 20s, I don't know.
(10:29):
I just saw a video and thisgirl she just missed competing.
Like you don't really competeas much when you get older.
Brett (10:37):
It's like maybe in like the workforce a little bit yeah,
I mean in sales you'll competeto see who like gets the most.
Go to like president's clubhopefully that's what it's
called.
Ally (10:47):
But yeah, so you compete in that way, but you're not like
in sports, you're not reallypushing yourself competitively
physically yeah and so she likejoined some indoor track team or
something along those lineswhere she had her.
She was like so nervous becauseit was her first like race yeah
that she had and it was like atrack me and she just like ran
(11:08):
my.
I don't know how long it was,maybe it's like a 5k, I don't
know, but that'd be fun to do.
Actually, that'd be fun to likejust like go and do something
for the first time you've neverdone before and I just started
really liking that idea of beinga beginner again and I think
that mind shift of seeing otherpeople be beginners and be okay
with it, like not be shy or notbe intimidated, not being the
(11:31):
best, yeah, and I think that waslike the first thing that
really sparked my interest intrying to podcast like still
painting.
That's really all I got goingon, but I was like am I trying
anything?
Brett (11:47):
new.
Ally (11:47):
I need to try new things, but I mean those take a lot of
time, yeah, but I think that'slike where it sparked my
interest I think first podcastspecifically it's because blake
wanted to do it.
I'll be so honest.
Blake came into the kitchen,was like let's do it.
I said, okay, thinking he wasjoking.
And then he's like no, seriously, and it's been so fun, just
another reason to hang out withmy brother and I know that
sounds dumb, but we've alwaysbeen like brother, sister, not
(12:09):
so much hangout friends, and nowwe plan to hang out and like we
talk all the time on the phoneand it's been so fun.
And so I think community, alongwith like the interest of
trying new things, are the twothings that really push me to
try new things and and podcastsand yeah whatever, and running
like without you, like I don'tthink I would be where I'm at
(12:29):
running I would not becompetitive.
Brett (12:30):
Not that I'm like running super competitively like I'm
going to college or anythingcrazy, but well, you got a
marathon in a month almost and Igot ally to sign up for a 50K
this year in the Canyonlands.
Ally (12:46):
My very first 50K.
Brett (12:48):
How do you feel about that?
Ally (12:49):
I cry every time I think about it.
Brett (12:51):
No, you don't, no, I don't, but I am nervous.
Ally (12:53):
I will say we both did 17 miles today.
My knee's been bothering me andso I've been doing exercises
for that, which I think it helpsa little bit.
So I think I am recovering alittle bit.
But thinking about addinganother 20 miles on top of that
really makes me want to cry.
So I'm excited for trailrunning.
(13:14):
I think is the biggest thingI'm excited for.
Yeah, I think I would lovetrail running.
I'm just so scared of animals.
Brett (13:20):
No, the animals won't get you You'll, you'll be so fast.
Ally (13:27):
I'm not faster than a cougar.
Brett (13:28):
No one is, you wouldn't even know they're coming, so
great, yeah, so that is mybiggest fear, too, cougars yes,
I'm there's not so much cougars,for sure bears aren't just
hanging out here next doorthat's what I'm saying.
Ally (13:37):
Cougars, they're sneaky right, but I think with you and
running with blake andpodcasting, I think I like
having my one person who's kindof going through it with me.
I think that really helps me beexcited about it.
If I wasn't with Blake, I forsure wouldn't have started a
podcast yeah if I wasn't withyou, I'd probably be jogging
three miles every three days andsaying like I'm a runner which
(14:02):
technically you would be rightso don't discredit those people
out there who do that not thatI'm discrediting
but that's how I was like all mylife.
I didn't.
I guess I never called myself arunner, I'll be honest.
I but cardio was one of mypreferred exercises, but how
come everyone hates cardio?
Brett (14:21):
why do you like it?
Ally (14:23):
okay, I didn't say like it , don't jump the gun.
I did not say that okay, why doyou?
Brett (14:27):
why do you enjoy it more than most?
Ally (14:30):
I still wouldn't even say enjoy.
I think I'll be so honest.
I've always been pretty chunkyand everyone says cardio is how
you lose weight, and I thinkthat is really why I've always
kind of tried to run thinking Iwas like losing weight when I
never was, because I would dolike the same two miles and be
like, oh yeah, I just killedthat and then go and eat a pizza
, you know, and so it.
(14:51):
Nothing ever triggered for meon how to actually like be
healthy, not even necessarilyskinny, but be healthy and fit
yeah, in terms of likecardiovascular and stuff, and so
I I don't.
I know I for sure would not berunning marathons if I wasn't
with you.
Nevertheless, a 50k.
I barely even signed up for the50k and I'm with you yeah, but
(15:14):
what made you sign up?
Brett (15:14):
then you can't say me there had to be something else,
because if it's just me, that'sthat's a rough reason to run a
race, especially 50k like yougot to have a reason, you got to
have the why.
Ally (15:24):
I always talk about the why crickets, just kidding
crickets, I'm just kidding.
No, you're.
I will say you're a big factorin terms of if you weren't
running ultra marathons, Iprobably would never thought
about it nor would I even knowthat that was a thing like I'm
very unaware of the runningcommunity outside of you, and
but I would say probably justbecause we're always trying to
(15:46):
push ourselves, and of course,the marathon, we're going for
more speed.
Like every time you're on amarathon you're going, trying to
go faster, but I never thoughtabout trying to make the
difficult thing a furtherdistance instead of speed.
And don't get me wrong, 50k I'mprobably gonna be so slow like
that's okay.
Brett (16:04):
we'll have Drew with us too, and he's he's going to be
faster than me.
No, drew, you might be slow.
I was pretty slow for my first50k, so you were not.
Ally (16:13):
you literally came in like eighth after throwing up every
quarter mile.
Don't even pull that on me, butI wasn't, I just thought it
would be a fun shift of goal.
Rather than going for pace,going for distance.
Brett (16:28):
I like that.
Ally (16:29):
And I'm always looking at ways to honor my dad and he
always wanted to do hard things.
So here we go Different type ofhard, but still running.
Brett (16:36):
Yeah, I mean, I love that .
I think it's a good reason.
I want to see what you're ableto do.
Ally (16:44):
Yeah, we'll see if a 50k will ever happen again.
I don't imagine going higherthan a 50k, but we'll see what I
think about it when the timecomes I'm excited.
Brett (16:55):
I think it'll be good I'm sure it will.
I think I'll probably cry quitea bit I mean, come on, think
about it us running in thecanyon lands, which is a
national park that's it that'sit you're gonna be a drew or
like you're gonna get so boredof us you're gonna go way ahead.
Ally (17:11):
Okay, let me tell you this , as I look straight at the
camera I'm nervous where this isgoing well our first team, tim
right brett, and I had beendating for like three weeks oh
no, you can't bring this up.
I was trying to impress you no,I was like but it's like I want
to run with you.
I was like, okay, sweet.
And I was like, just a heads up, I'm super slow.
He's like, okay, I don't thinkwe made it to a quarter mile,
(17:35):
not even a quarter, I think wemade it 0.10.
And brett's like yeah, sorry,see, ya dips, you went so fast
and I just forced drake and Iran together for a while, but
then he cramped up real bad.
Right, and so I just forced youthat happening.
With the 50K, where you're like, yeah, let's do it together,
I'm like, yeah, right, okay, andI see that happening for the
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first few miles and then I'llnever see you again.
Brett (17:58):
Well, here's my problem.
I get competitive in thosesituations.
Ally (18:00):
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I don't think you'dbe with me, especially because
you ran a 50K before.
You're going to want to beatyour time.
Brett (18:07):
Yeah, especially if I feel better.
But I bet I could.
Ally (18:10):
Oh my gosh, see, I'm never going to see him on the 50K.
Brett (18:12):
No.
And I'll be like two hoursbehind Drew so I'm going to
finish in like 10 hours aroundeating, waiting for me, having
lunch, having dinner, and thenI'll start pulling up you know I
think about all the timewhenever I'm struggling during a
run and like especially when itcomes to 50k training like
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you're on the trails a lot umand like a marathon is a
training run.
Yeah, it's a training, run, um,but I think about, like sally
mcrae's quote all the time, like, choose strong, like what that
actually means.
Like every time you run, youhave I think about, like sally
mcrae's quote all the time, like, choose strong, like what that
actually means.
Like every time you run, youhave a choice to bail out, to
give into what your body says orto keep pushing on.
And what I found with runningis that the more I do it, the
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more I recognize that my bodycan handle it.
But it's a mental game at thatpoint.
And so, um, like even today,when we were running 17 miles,
like at 15, the back of myhamstring was cramping up so bad
and I was like there's no wayI'm going to finish this.
And then you're like I got fourmore and I was like how many
are you going for?
And you're like 17.
And I was like, fine, I'll doit too.
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And then, um, but like, my bodygot through it and I was able
to run pretty quick at the end.
But it's always a choice tochoose strong or to give in, and
of course, if injuries happen,you should give in.
But I'd say, if you have anyinkling, that you can just keep
going and take one step and keepgoing forward, one step in
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front of the other, as they say.
Then I would say, do it, andI'm sure you'll run into that at
the 50k, like I did, and youliterally had to run a couple
laps with me on that one Ididn't have to.
Ally (19:54):
I just want to make sure you're okay yeah, it was rough.
Brett (19:57):
I mean, you saved me like twice you gave me a headlamp
and um.
The first is was it the secondlap that I was dying?
Ally (20:04):
second lap.
I ran the whole thing with you.
Brett (20:06):
Yeah, that was rough, but .
Ally (20:08):
That was frightening, I had the choice to drop out.
Brett (20:09):
Like everyone, even you, I think we're like.
You know it's okay if you guys,if you drop out.
Ally (20:15):
Don't recall saying that.
Brett (20:16):
Maybe not you.
Ally (20:17):
I said get your crap together.
Brett (20:18):
Yeah, I think you did.
Ally (20:25):
I think it was only Dina.
Dina was like your mom was justworried.
I think everyone was likeunderstanding if you dropped out
yeah.
And I would have beenunderstanding if you dropped out
as well, because you were likeheat stroke, if you were injured
or if it was going to literallycause a medical issue.
I would say drop out yeah.
And that's why I kept remindingyou.
I was like either you'dself-harm, like inspect, see if
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you're actually going to go tothe hospital, or if you're just
uncomfortable in pain.
Definitely a big differencebetween being in pain and being
injured, and I think.
I have a hard time identifyingthose sometimes, especially
because my knee's been botheringme lately.
It's always difficult to bethinking to yourself is this, if
I continue, am I injuringmyself?
Is it worse?
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Or if I continue, if I'm, am Ijust uncomfortable but I can get
through it?
So being able to identify ifit's pain or injury is very
difficult, but I think it'ssomething that you just continue
to work on, developing as youkeep running or keep doing
whatever the hard thing is.
And in your case, I know howbad.
You want to finish it becauseyou're running for Jordan and I
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want you to finish becauseyou're running for Jordan and
for me.
I kind of have made a decisionthat a marathon's a marathon.
26.2, 50k is a 50k halfmarathon's half marathon.
The distance is all thatmatters.
The pace is our pride.
The pace is the part where weare striving to do our best.
If we're going slow, that takesa hit on our pride, but if you
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still finished, you stillcompleted an ultra marathon.
Brett (21:56):
Yeah, that's true.
Ally (21:57):
And so I wanted to kind of remind you when you're going
through that if you're walking,I'll walk with you.
Like, if all you can do is walk, let's finish the stupid thing,
because then you're still anultra marathoner, even if you're
not hitting the time you wantto do.
It's fair.
You did say that multiple times.
Well, I think about that allthe time because I have a hard
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time with that.
If I'm hurting at mile 10 of 17miles, I keep telling myself
okay, I'm just done like I'mthis sucks.
I'm like not hitting my paces.
I quit, but it's.
I think it's worse quitting at10 miles than slowing down a
minute and getting all 17 oh, ohabsolutely, but it's so hard to
tell yourself to do that,because seeing your average pace
go up a minute is likesickening sometimes.
Brett (22:38):
It is true, like it is a very prideful thing.
Ally (22:40):
It's all pride.
Brett (22:41):
Especially like not trying to toot my horn here, but
like running a sub three, likeI feel like everything after
that has to be faster than a subthree, which is hard as hell.
Ally (22:50):
but and this doesn't make sense, like that's just your own
desire yeah, and who knows, Imean I do love ultra marathons.
Brett (22:58):
Right, I've only ran one, but I loved the experience.
Ally (23:01):
I thought it was really cool and the idea of it and the
idea of it um.
Brett (23:07):
So I don't know.
I might make a shift later todo that more because, like my
legs are stronger, I'm puttingon more weight, which I hope is
muscle.
Ally (23:13):
But he's looking handsome handsome.
Brett (23:15):
You heard it here first, but I know I think it's just
important to find things tocontinually challenge yourself
while not quitting, so I likethat yeah, and that's what I
know I'm going to be remindingmyself.
Ally (23:29):
The whole 50K is.
I'm getting the distance done,no matter what.
Yeah.
Like, even if I have to walk.
Brett (23:36):
You know what I'll be reminding myself.
Ally (23:37):
Hmm.
Brett (23:38):
The man in the arena.
Ally (23:40):
Tell us more.
Brett (23:41):
It's my favorite quote, teddy Roosevelt.
But basically the quote saysbecause I don't have it on me so
I'm not going to quote it thatthe credit goes to the man in
the arena who tries and if hefails, at least he failed daring
greatly and he's going to godown with the people who have
blood, sweat and dust on theirface because they tried
something great, and not withthe cold, timid souls who didn't
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have the guts to even try.
It's probably one of myfavorite quotes ever.
Ally (24:08):
Teddy's the man.
Brett (24:09):
Teddy Roosevelt lived a strenuous life and a lot of
lessons that we can take fromthat.
But he is the man, he's a beast.
Ally (24:21):
I love his story because, like his whole thing was, he was
a scrawny asthmatic kid.
Brett (24:24):
Asthmatic, it says it.
I'm sorry he had asthma.
Ally (24:26):
I just never heard it said like that Asthmatic.
I don't know why that was funnyto me.
I just imagine some man notbeing able to breathe, child
Some child.
I had asthma.
Brett (24:36):
I still do.
Ally (24:37):
Yeah.
Brett (24:38):
I'm asthmatic.
Ally (24:39):
I don't know why that's so funny to me, I've never heard
it as a description.
Brett (24:43):
Yeah, but I think that's a cool story too, because he's
this skinny kid who has healthissues but like his dad's, like
build up your body, like getstronger, and so he's like I'm
going to go hike and startboxing and lifting rocks and
logs, which he did.
It was pretty cool, um.
And then he built himself up towhere, like now, everyone knows
him as Teddy Roosevelt, thecaptain of the rough riders, the
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guy who would carry a big stick.
Ally (25:08):
That's so funny because those are the only things I
didn't know about TeddyRoosevelt.
Brett (25:11):
That he carried a big stick.
Ally (25:12):
And that he was.
I don't know about the RoughRiders.
Brett (25:14):
I think he was the general of the Rough Riders.
He pretty much made this likeragtag group of like hard
mountain men that fought in theSpanish-American War and they
all rode like horses and stuffand were just nuts Like they
rode like horses and stuff andwere just nuts like they were
crazy.
It's like navy seals on horses,maybe not as extensive.
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I mean, they use swords andstuff too back then.
Ally (25:36):
So that's neat.
Wild, would you say.
Teddy or winston, are you abigger fan of?
Winston churchill really yeah,he defeated the nazis okay, I
mean that's a good reason, yeah,but by what they stood, by what
they lived by, they seemed likethey had very similar yeah very
similar, um like mindsets, Iwould say.
Brett (25:58):
But I don't know teddy roosevelt.
He did some pretty amazingthings, but winston churchill
literally had to bear the weightof an entire nation in a world
at war because they were thefinal line for the germans um to
break through and the germanswould have won and like I can't
imagine dealing with that andstill being able to like make
decisions, to be like, okay,well, I have a clear head, like
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I understand why the guy drankso much and smoked all the time
yeah, this is why I love that.
Ally (26:27):
You're a nerd is the only thing I know about.
History is through you.
Brett (26:31):
Unfortunately, I never paid attention in school when it
came to history, you got to becareful.
Then what if I get it wrong?
That's true.
Ally (26:36):
Well, I trust everything you say, so fact check yourself
before you tell me.
Brett (26:39):
That's fair, true?
I like that.
I want to go back to somethingyou said about your dad.
You said he always talked aboutdoing hard things.
Was that a core value he triedto talk about his entire life?
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Was that something that even asa kid, you noticed him saying
things like that?
Ally (27:06):
Yes, I don't know if he always phrased it just like that
, but he was big on do somethingthat scares you, like when we
talked about family goals likeevery new year's and stuff like
that.
That was one thing that hewanted us to choose a goal that
scared us, whatever that lookslike.
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It could be fitness, it couldbe financial, it could be
whatever.
Typically it was a physicalgoal.
You wanted us to choose a goalin every category and usually
the physical one was the scaryone yeah, do you remember what
your first one was?
oh gosh, not my first, I don'tknow.
Usually it was like a certainamount of miles or I'd do like a
10k or something and I'm tryingto remember, or it's like
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losing a certain amount ofpounds which never got off.
You know, like most of thesegoals I rarely made it through,
like march.
You know, like these goalsweren't lasting long but we
would talk about them throughoutthe year and he kind of check
up on us and see how we're doing, and I don't think he was like
pushing us to, just as 10 yearolds, to try and lose, like five
pounds or whatever.
Brett (28:12):
I was trying to do when I was 10, which is crazy, but I
was packing it on at that age Iwas like give me all the potato
tacos from taco bell oh gosh, 10years old, I was trying to lose
weight my entire life.
Ally (28:24):
I can't remember a time where I wasn't thinking about my
weight really until likerecently, where I'm like
comfortable.
But I think I think a lot ofpeople struggle with that myself
included yeah, I don't mean togo off a tangent.
My mom was just so fit when Iwas like that about that age,
like 12 and stuff well, she wasa trainer, right, and she
competed, right, she was in bodysculpting competition when her
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first one was 50 years old.
So see, that makes that's why Iwas 14 when she did her first
body sculpting competition dangand, yeah, she worked at the gym
.
She was like a cycle, like acycle teacher and a body pump
and stuff.
So I always saw her and then Ifelt so embarrassed that she had
a fat kid and that's like how Ialways saw myself.
And so from a really young ageI was always trying to like make
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her more proud, like to have athinner daughter.
She had never said that shewanted a skinny daughter.
She had never said like thatshe was embarrassed at me or
anything like that.
These are just stories you tellyourself because you see your
parents live in a certain way.
Yeah, and I I was like so proudof her, but I definitely I had
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very bad self-talk at that timeespecially.
But my dad definitely alwaysenforced like doing hard things
throughout our entire lives.
It looked different year to yearof course, which makes sense,
and he always talked about doingthe hard thing first.
So, like on Saturdays, even insummer, he'd make us get up at
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like 7 in the morning.
We'd have to do all of ourchores, we had to go to the gym
or like work out of some sort,and then we could play or take a
nap if we're still tired, orsomething like that.
He always wanted us to dochores and exercise in the
morning, whatever that lookedlike.
He's like you can go on a walk,you can go on a walk, you can
go on a run, you can go to thegym, I'll take you.
It didn't matter what it was.
He just thought it was reallyimportant to do hard work first
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and move your body.
He was big on that, which isfunny.
Brett (30:15):
I love that.
Ally (30:16):
He wasn't even huge on exercise himself.
He tried, but he called himselfskinny fat because he ate
horrible.
He just never looked obese.
He just never looked obese.
Yeah, and we would go on runsin the morning together when I
was like 12 and he was likeshuffling like he was 80 years
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old, you know, and I can barelyrun I'm a little butterball and
but we would try.
You know, we'd like him and Iwere kind of buddies in that way
.
We were about the chunkier ones.
Blake was always fit and likereally strong with mom and me
and dad were always trying tosneaky brownies together.
You know we were like badinfluences for each other, like
we'd go mcdonald's and momdidn't know, not that she would
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care you need a partner in crimeyeah, and he was my partner in
crime and that's cute, but hestill emphasized how important
it was, so he taught me thelesson.
It was more like do what I say,not as I do sometimes yeah
which is fine.
He totally acknowledged that too.
He was like I know I'm notgreat, but I'm exercising in the
morning with you guys, you know, and he's going on a walk just
like the rest of us.
Yeah, um, so it was alwaystaught.
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I think my mom definitelyshowed more by getting things
done, which is kind of funny,but my dad was like the teacher
yeah, I love that but my dad waslike, working hard in other
ways, like he was non-stop, likefor his jobs.
He was so good at being presentwith the family.
He was so good at serving likebehind closed doors, never knew
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when he was serving until hepassed and everyone's telling me
all of a sudden, but like hewas always working hard on
relationships and making surethat we are comfortable and he
had enough to share witheverybody.
Yeah, like he was so, so goodat that.
Exercise was a kind of do, as Isay, but but he taught me the
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lessons and mom was a greatexample of it as well, and so I
I've always learned it.
It took me 20 extra years tofigure it out, but now look at
you until I lived with you.
Then I was like, oh, that's howit's supposed to be done.
Brett (32:15):
Made sense all of a sudden I mean, it's just
consistency, really, when itcomes down to it which I never
had I think it's.
Uh, there's actually this quotethat I saw on my ipad when I
was just looking for um thatchat thing, but it's from Jeremy
Bentham.
Ally (32:31):
Who is that man?
Brett (32:32):
I have no idea, but he has a great quote.
He says, the rarest of allhuman qualities is consistency.
Why do you think that is?
Ally (32:41):
I think it's difficult.
I think, well speaking fromexperience, I'll say that first.
All right, Well, speaking fromexperience, I'll say that first.
All right.
For me, one being consistent isdifficult.
Usually it's a hard thing to beconsistent with, but I think
routine can get boring.
Brett (33:01):
Yeah for sure.
Ally (33:02):
Doing the same thing every day is so hard for me.
I hate when two days aresimilar and I know that's very
opposite of you.
You love your, you love yourstructure, yep, and I do not
like structure maybe that's oneof the reasons I can be so
consistent I think so I mean,definitely makes sense.
I think it's kind of part ofyour personality, with what you
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like, and I think that's whyit's hard for me is because I
don't like any two days the same.
The gym now has become more oflike a daily thing where you
don't have to think about it, soit doesn't feel like
consistency because it's like apart of your day, which I think
that's the trick to makingthings consistent where it's.
It's not a negotiable right.
(33:45):
It's just part of your day, asif you just woke up and brush
your teeth and I think, becauseI'm with you, it helps a ton.
I didn't.
I never learned that every dayI was making a decision to go.
Now, it's okay, I'm gonna dothat.
And then what's my decisionsafter that?
yeah so I think that helps.
But it's so hard to just decideto do the difficult.
(34:05):
Well, usually it's difficult.
Do the same thing over and overand over.
I think it gets bland a lot oftimes.
I think you need to mix it up.
Like I was just talking to mybrother and I told him how I had
10 miles the other day.
I was like, oh my gosh, I donot want to go run.
And he's like, why don't you dolike pilates one time and then
cycling once, and then hot yogaand then run and then do this?
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And then, yeah, he's like mixit up.
If you're getting bored of yourroutine, it doesn't mean to
stop, it means make anadjustment and keep doing it.
Brett (34:35):
Which is good advice.
Honestly, if you can add thingsto add variety to it and make
it feel a little bit more novel,then that's a good thing, if it
allows you to stick with it forthe long haul.
But I mean, you said it's likeit is a decision that you have
to make.
Um, ultimately, like fromdiscipline, you have to make the
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decision to be disciplined,which is why it's so hard, like
even with the podcast, withrunning myself.
Like, yes, there's many dayswhen I'm like, oh man, I'm too
tired, too tired, I don't wantto run, or I don't have anything
I can really talk about on thepodcast.
Maybe I won't record, but it'slike it's so important to do
those things and stay committedto yourself because, like, your
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word is everything, and if yousay you're going to run but
don't actually do it, I think,in my head at least for me, it's
like I don't trust myselfanymore, like I don't know if I
can hold, you know, promises,that great Cause I can't hold
promises to myself.
Like I'm going to go run, but Idon't like that.
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Only that only hurts me.
Um, of course there'scircumstantial things that pop
up, but if you can and I knowit's hard to sometimes make
those decisions, but staycommitted to it and be
consistent.
It's hard but it's worth it.
Ally (36:01):
Let me ask you this there's something that I know we
both struggle with.
Okay.
Like I said, I was supposed todo the 10 miles on thursday.
My knee was really bothering me.
It's like sharp pain yeah andit bothered me so bad.
You know how mad I was.
Yeah, I was like brett wasbeing so nice, like I'm proud of
you for trying your lady textedme and said I love you, but I
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don't want to hear that rightnow.
Brett (36:25):
Yeah, I'm like okay that was me saying, like a nice shut
up no, I know, yeah, and youdidn't respond and I felt bad
about it.
I just let you have your thing.
Ally (36:34):
Yeah, I needed to simmer for a minute, so let me ask you
that we have these goals, we'reconsistent.
How do you have any techniquesfor yourself which I know that
was frightening If you'rewatching the video yourself
which I know you, that wasfrightening If you're watching
the video.
If you're not watching, go toSpotify.
(36:55):
Oh no, go, look at the video.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
No, don't do it.
We're at 36 minutes right now.
Don't go watch it.
Ally (37:01):
I just saw the wildest thing I've ever seen.
She's making it.
That was wild Absurd.
Okay, sorry, sorry, go.
That was wild absurd.
Okay, sorry, sorry, go ahead.
Like I was saying that wascrazy.
Like I was saying I know wesuck at this.
How do you not put all yourself-worth in your goals,
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because so much confidence comefrom achieving goals and that's
why you set a goal yeah it'slike you want the result and you
want self-confidence.
Goals is perfect for thosethings.
You're not hitting a goal.
How do you not put yourselfconfidence in not hitting a goal
?
Brett (37:36):
yeah, ruin your worth.
That's fair, um, I mean, I'mnot perfect at it, but I've
gotten a lot better okay, howhave you gotten better?
Well, I'm going to talk aboutit.
Um, so, yeah, I mean, everytime I don't do something like
this, like this week is a goodexample.
Okay, I was sick Sunday night.
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Thank you, parents, and littlechildren Easter and didn't work
out Monday, didn't work outTuesday.
Ally (38:06):
Pause.
Monday I got in town.
We took a five-hour nap on.
Monday Went to bed at 8.30,woke up at 8.30 the next day.
Brett (38:15):
That's true, that's how zonked.
I was out the entire day.
I was awake for maybe an hourand a half but struggling, and
then, even on that day, when Iwas stuck in bed, I was like man
, I'm a loser, I'm not runningor I'm not lifting weights, and
it's so irrational to think thatwhen you're in that state, and
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then, like Tuesday, I wasfeeling a little bit better, I
went to work, um, but like mybody was still super weak and I
was like, I'll just try and workout when I get home.
Um, didn't happen because,again, I was super tired and my
body was weak.
But that's one of the thingsthat's like circumstantial that
I'm.
It's a little bit easier todeal with when you do have those
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thoughts.
It's like, well, I've been sick, it's fine.
But I would say the best thingthat I've learned that's helped
me overcome some of thosethoughts about like man, you
suck man, you're not who you sayyou are, you're slipping.
This is just move on, move onto the next day.
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You can't change the past, youcan't live in the past.
It's like what the Stokestalked about Like you can't
change the future or you can'tlook into the future.
You can't change the past, sowhy worry about it.
Like live in the moment andI've told you this a few times.
But like there are days whensometimes I don't run or lift or
anything like that and I feelpretty bad about myself.
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But then I'm like I'm not goingto let that ruin my day.
Like yeah, I didn't hit my goal, but I'm not my bad days and
there's no reason to let thathold me back for this day.
Like I can still do really wellat work, I can still have fun
with you when I'm home and wecan do whatever.
Like if I took that attitudeand was like man, I suck and I
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show up to work and I'm likemaybe I can't even do my job and
I show up at home and I'm likemaybe I'm a terrible husband,
like it just snowballs into,like terrible thoughts about
yourself all day long and I'dsay the best thing to do is just
move on.
Be like, hey, I might haveslipped up today, I might have
missed the mark today, buttomorrow I'll be back at it.
It's just trying to haveperspective.
Nothing's going to change inone day, but over a week you
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might see some.
I'm saying if you don't workout, nothing's going to change
in a day In a week, maybe you'llsee some fitness lost In a
month.
For sure In a year you'll be adifferent person.
That's if you don't work out.
But, like you, let one day goby and then you're back out of
the next day.
It's nothing.
It's like same with the podcast, like I missed an episode last
week because, or this week Ididn't put one out on Monday
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because I was in Arizona andjust made excuses.
And I'm like you know what thisthing is important to me.
I need to make time for it.
Even if I'm in Arizona, itdoesn't matter, we travel a lot.
I have to make time for it.
So I would say it's taught meto have perspective as a
long-winded answer, but I hopeit helped.
Ally (41:20):
That makes sense.
We talk about perspective a lot.
Yeah, it reminds me of a video Isaw once and it was along those
lines.
This person just like a visualof that exact concept, like
pouring a glass of water andbarely spilling and then end up
just dumping the whole thingover because like that's how it
is, like oh, you're taking yourlaundry to your bedroom or
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something.
You drop a sock, so you justdump the whole laundry basket.
It's like really how it is,like you had one bad thing and
then you just throw the day away.
Yeah, so it's like I don'tremember the other visuals that
they um did in that exactexample, but but the concept
stands where you can either havea bad moment or make it a bad
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day, or make it a bad week orwhatever, and I understand that
it's definitely hard to havethat perspective once you're in
the heat of it.
Right.
Because it's so frustratingsometimes and not even with just
exercise, Like you'll have likea bad grade or something and
you're like I'm going to flunk.
You know, it can be a littledramatic.
(42:26):
I was just thinking, as you'resaying that, with perspective,
and you know I've been talking alot about thinking like
celestially, or we say likeheavenly think in the live in
the present, but like thinkforward at the same time.
And I was thinking about likewhen I was really frustrated on
Thursday, the only thing thatwas helping me calm down was
starting to listen to Christianmusic and Christian content.
(42:48):
You do love that stuff.
I love Christian music, I loveChristian content.
I soak it up God is good.
God is good.
And it helps me just bring itback to reality.
I'm like this is soinsignificant.
Yeah.
And then one thing that you'vetalked about recently which I've
really liked, is rememberingyour identity as like a son or
daughter of god yes, absolutelyhow come you've been focused on
(43:08):
that so much lately?
Brett (43:10):
um, I mean, I've dealt with self-worth issues my entire
life and, like I've talkedabout fat bread on this podcast
but we love him we love fatbread.
He was so cool, but I miss himlike, even in that time I would
swim with my shirt on, like Iwas.
I was the type of kid that,like, was embarrassed about his
body.
Um, and then, when I got supersick, look at those two fatties
(43:32):
getting married, yeah well, Iwas about to say when I was
super sick and 135 pounds, yeah,um, I looked like a skeleton
and I was again reallyembarrassed about how I looked.
You would always say I thinkyou saw me one time at church
and I ran away.
It's because I was embarrassed.
One of the reasons I wasembarrassed was because of how I
(43:53):
looked.
Ally (43:53):
I literally was trying to chase you down.
I was like I haven't seen thatguy in five years.
I should go say hi.
I also heard that Brett wassick.
I say, brett, I'm sorry.
I also heard that Brett wassick.
I say, brett, I'm sorry I'mtalking to the audience that
Brett was sick and I wasconcerned, so I wanted to catch
up and I was like, well, maybehe's anorexic Because I saw you
from a distance, but I nevercaught up.
Brett (44:12):
Yeah, but then, yeah, I've always had like self-image
issues, but knowing that, likeI'm a son of God and was made in
his image and like he caresenough about me to take care of
me in this life, like give megreat parents, like I don't know
, I mean, there's something tothat.
(44:33):
That's like if you canunderstand what it's like to be
the son of God, like we all aresons and daughters of god,
understand that our body istemporary and we're made for so
much more than just like livinghere on earth, like there's so
much more that we can't evencomprehend that we are promised
(44:55):
if we live righteously and likelive a good, righteous life,
live a good, righteous life, um,and I think it also just helps
me remember that I'm immortaland you know, I'm not at that
state of God yet, but like, whenI live with him again, I will
be exalted.
Um, it just helps me rememberwho I am and like goes back to
(45:19):
like running, podcasting, doingmy job.
All those things are important,but they don't matter in the
long end, because what reallymatters is that I am a son of
God and I will return to livewith my Heavenly Father.
Ally (45:33):
One thing I like to think about is our actions matter.
Is our actions matter, right?
We can't just say, like in ourbelief, that just like Christ is
king and that's that we can golive a sinful life.
Actions matter and showing upevery day matters, but our worth
(45:56):
doesn't change because of ourdecisions.
Our worth is permanent in thesight of God.
Our worth is not reflective ofhow we are choosing to act.
What we do and do not do, ourworth is constant.
Of course, when you slip up youneed to repent, like there are
(46:19):
like good and bad actions andthere's like moral and un-moral
things.
But regardless of our actions,at least we can know that we are
still so loved by someone whoknows us perfectly yeah and I
try to remind myself like godknows me so perfectly thorough
(46:45):
in and out, and he I know heloves me as a daughter of god,
and because he knows me soperfectly and knows our neighbor
so perfectly and we both sin indifferent ways yeah and loves
us still regardless.
I guess I could do a little bitbetter about loving myself and
my neighbor.
Brett (47:03):
I love that.
I think, honestly, the bestanalogy that I can think of this
is going to be a rough one,because I don't have kids yet,
but as a future dad, I can'timagine how much love I'm going
to have for my kids, our kids.
Ally (47:21):
Especially with how obsessed you are with me.
Yeah, it's going to be insaneI'm going to have for my kids,
our kids, especially with howobsessed you are with me.
Brett (47:23):
Yeah, it's going to be insane.
I'm going to be wrapped aroundtheir fingers, it's going to be
dangerous.
I know I'm worried, but Icannot imagine the love I'm
going to have for them, becauseI've seen the glimmer of love
that I have for you and creatinga child together and loving
that thing is going to be nuts.
And so I'm sure, like, like Idid in high school and
(47:44):
throughout junior high orwhatever, but like you make
stupid mistakes and you makedumb decisions, I'm not going to
love that kid any less for thestupid things that he does or
she.
Um, unless they like, I'm notgoing to love them less.
I'll be disappointed.
I'm not going to love them less.
And so whenever I'm having likea hard day mentally with like my
(48:05):
own self-worth, I try and dothat same thing and be like how
does God think of me?
Like he knows I'm going to makemistakes, we're all imperfect.
The only perfect person on thisearth was Jesus Christ.
And knowing that, like I knowhe still loves me, I know he
still cares about me, he wantsme to be happy, and that's just
(48:26):
kind of what I think about islike that analogy of like how
would I love my kid?
Ally (48:30):
I like how you said you love him, but you can make
disappointed for sure and Ithink that's where that's
important.
Like shame, guilt,embarrassment, those are
important.
Emotions like that means youwant to like.
You need to change something.
Yeah.
And I think when I think of Godloving me, I'm like that's great
.
Or my parents.
I'll say my mom loving me.
I know I'll always have herlove and I know you and I are
(48:54):
both so fortunate to haveparents who love us in such a
way that we understand God'slove.
Yeah, I am well aware thatpeople don't have that in their
lives and I can imagine it'd behard to comprehend God's love
with parents that aren'tavailable for you.
But I know we are veryfortunate.
We had incredible parents andso we.
I think we have a little bit ofa better insight of God's love
(49:15):
for us.
But I know I disappoint my momsometimes.
I know I disappointed my dadsometimes, and I think that's
good.
I disappointed my dad sometimesand I think that's good.
Like, disappointment shows roomfor improvement, it shows where
to adjust and I think, now thatI'm thinking about this and
we're having this conversation,I think that's just as important
to have in ourselves.
(49:35):
I think it's okay to bedisappointed in ourselves.
We didn't hit a run, we cheatedon our diet, we were mean to
somebody.
Yeah, be disappointed, that'san important feeling to have, to
recognize a need for change ofbehavior, but it doesn't mean
you need to love yourself anyless.
It doesn't mean that your worthdecreased whatsoever, but those
(49:56):
emotions are signaling you foradjustment and I think that's
important.
I love that, which the more Ithink about it, as we're talking
about it, I need to startrecognizing this in the moment a
lot better.
Brett (50:11):
It's hard, it really is hard, like it's something like I
talked about with consistency,that you have to practice and
you have to choose to bedisciplined with it.
Right.
And, like I said, I'm gettingbetter at it, I'm working on it,
it, but it's because I'mchoosing more often than not to
have grace with myself and tojust pick it back up and be
stronger the next day.
Ally (50:30):
so I think it's good yeah, gross feeling, gross feeling,
but learn from it.
Yeah, learn from it.
Brett (50:37):
And move on, get after it again the next day again and
again.
Ally (50:41):
No, I agree.
I was just curious your stanceon that because I know you and I
both struggle with it and I'msure the whole world struggles
with it yeah, um, if you don't,message me, please and tell me
your secrets yeah, that's got tobe some delusional person, I
think yeah because I don't thinkthat anyone either way, a
delusional person could be funmaybe delusional is the way the
(51:03):
happiness to life, maybe it isbe delusional yeah, I didn't
hear that here on this podcast.
Brett (51:09):
Yeah, erase that, take it out.
Ally (51:11):
Edit you're the one editing I'm not editing this.
Brett (51:14):
I don't edit this.
Ally (51:15):
It's true, it's all raw anyways, I was just curious on
your opinion on that, somethingI strive for understanding every
day well, I love it.
Brett (51:22):
I think that's a solid place to end is just understand
your self-worth and try to benicer to yourself, because you
can't get after it if you'refilling your head with negative
thoughts.
You have to believe that you'resomeone who's worth getting
after.
Ally (51:36):
But at the same time hold yourself accountable, I think.
Brett (51:43):
Extreme ownership baby.
Ally (51:44):
Extreme ownership, Like you can't love yourself to the
point where you put yourself ina little comfort bubble and
don't do hard things.
You let too many workouts slide.
You just eat a pizza, a fullpizza every day, I think.
If you're feeling gross aboutstuff.
If you feel embarrassed, youfeel disgusted, you feel
disappointed, listen to youremotions, understand why you're
feeling that way, but it doesn'tchange who you are as a person,
(52:09):
of course.
But love yourself in a way thatyou want to keep care of
yourself, not feel thatdisappointment and that
discouragement.
Brett (52:18):
Let yourself out of that I love that work your way out
it's a great place to end mylove well, thanks for having me
it's always a pleasure.
You're my favorite guest and,uh, yeah, I always enjoy a
conversation, so, um, I hopethis was helpful and fun to
listen to for everyone out there.
(52:38):
If, uh, if you want to rate theshow, it would help a lot, so
please do rate it, comment,repost all the things.
Ally (52:45):
I'm his number one fan, so you'll see me doing that every
single week yeah, do what mywife says, yes, or she'll hunt
you down I will, I'll find youand until next episode, everyone
keep getting after it.
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