Giants Huddle | Ric Serritella

John Schmeelk sits down with the NFL Draft Bible’s Rick Serritella to discuss the deepest positions in the draft, break down the best players in each position groups and evaluate which rounds they could be drafted. SUBSCRIBE NOW: Apple | Spotify| Google |Stitcher| iHeart Radio 00:00 - Cornerbacks 11:05 - Tight Ends 14:01 - Wide receivers 26:30 - Running backs 32:11 - Offensive line 37:57 - Defensive Line 42:06 - Linebackers 48:31 - Safeties

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If you've been watching any of our content over the
last decade, you know this guy. He is Rick Sarahtella
NFL Draft Bible, also one of the scouts of the
NFLPA Bowl. For a lot of the college prospects coming
out in the draft, Rick, it's good to see a man.
How you be, Johnny on the spot, how are you, brother?
Good to see it? Yeah, it's good to see a man.
A little bit later, we're gonna dig deep into some

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smaller school prospects with Rick because that's kind of his
his forte here. But first, let's focus on what Giant
fans want to hear about in terms of what the
Giants might do in this draft. And Rick, before we
get into some of the details, how would you classify
the overall quality of this draft and just the type
of prospects that are coming out strengths weakness is as
compared to some of the ones the last few years.

(01:02):
What a fascinating draft, John, in terms of blue chip prospects,
because I think, even up until the jail and Carter
off the field incident, I think you had two quote
unquote blue chip prospects. You had the four quarterbacks that
look like they're gonna go inside the top ten. So
after that the guys from five to fifty. I mean,

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you've got such an evenly grouped class of prospects. And
I think that's why the Chicago Bears felt comfortable sliding
down from one to nine, because hey, they could still
potentially get a guy like Jaalen Carter, or they're gonna
at least be guaranteed a top five player on their board,
because I do think the quarterbacks will get pushed up

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the board. Offensive tackle is another position John that always
gets pushed up the board. Ironically enough, I don't know
if we'll see any inside the top ten, but I
think you could see maybe five come off the board
between ten and twenty. Yeah, and then cornerbacks. Cornerbacks is
an interesting one too, because I think it's very deep
it's talented, but I think you'll be making a mistake

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if you think you can get one of these guys
on the come around on day two. I think they're
gonna come off the board early, fast, furious, and one
other position. I will mention that does vode well for
the Giants. I haven't. I can't remember a tight end
class this deep where you could get potential starters. I'm
talking about round three, round four, you might be able

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to grab a guy that could come in and start.
That's how deep the tight end classes. Yeah, look, and
you hit a bunch of spots we're gonna talk about here, Rick, Well,
let's start corners. We'll start there, And I agree with you.
I think once you get past and again, we'll see
what happens with you know, Carter and all the off
the field stuff you have Anderson. I could see the

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next non quarterback off the board being a cornerback. That
would not surprise me at all. And I could see
four off the board by the time the Giants even
pick at twenty five. I would agree with that. Gets
what's your flavor of the week. Devin Witherspoon probably the
best overall prospect. However, he's five foot eleven abuck ninety
when you compare him to some of these other gargantuan cornerbacks.

(03:12):
I mean a guy like Kristin Gonzalez out of Oregon,
and he's three inches taller, runs just as fast, and
there's a pretty good cover corner in his own right.
So to me, I think the Giants would do well
get one of these bigger body cornerbacks. And I agree
Witherspoon will be gone, Joey Porter Junior will most likely
be gone. The cornerback from Penn State, Kaylee Ringo from

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Georgia is probably your fourth guy. So those guys are
all going to come off the board, and then you know,
do you go for a guy like Emmanuel Forbes who
the frame might not be there, but the coverage skills
is there. I think he's in the equation there. I
think you could also maybe take a flyer on day two.
I know the Giants have what fifty seventh pick if

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they do miss out on a cornerback. One guy to
keep an eye on Garrett Williams from Syracuse. This guy
was being talked about as a potential first round pick,
tore his acl very early in the season and kind
of has become a forgotten man. But I'll tell you what,
He's gonna outplay a lot of cornerbacks chosen ahead of him.
Is he a guy that you think could last to
a round three? Do you think someone's gonna jump on
him before that? You know the Giants pick at eighty nine.

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I think there's a possibility there because of the injury concern,
that he could still be there and he would fit
more of a Nicols Slat type of corner got it
all right? So I agree with you. I think you
could take Porter Gonzales and Weatherspoon and say not forget
you got no shot right. You mentioned Ringle as your
fourth guy. One guy you didn't mention was Deontay Banks,
who was a bigger guy who worked out well at

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the combine, played a ton of press man in Maryland.
I like his tape. Would he be a guy that
would be in the mix for you at twenty five
or is that a little bit too rich for you? No? Absolutely,
I think he's kind of off the radar because he's
not from one of these powerhouse programs. And then he
kind of blew up the combine over there at Lucas
Oil Stadium. But then It made Scott Scouts go back

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and say, hey, wait a second, here, we got ourselves
a potential starting cornerback down there in Maryland. And you know,
they do a good job. They're preparing their guys for
the next level. They're pro Liais on Kevin Glover former
NFL players, so he does a great job preparing these
guys for the next level. I think you take a
look at a guy like Banks's. He's actually a plug

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and play guy. So yes, I think that's a good
call by you, Johnny. I think five, maybe half a
dozen cornerbacks in round one. Your Ringo and Forbes are interesting.
I want to dig a little bit more into them,
you know, because you know we'll see a twenty five
and you know, who knows if you know, I don't
think one of those guys will drop. But you know,
Ringo's got all the physical ability in the world. He
looked great running around, But then you watch his taping. Frankly,

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guys whore just open a lot when he's covering him right,
and he gets beat too much. Then you watch Forbes
and you know, I don't know if he's a press guy.
I think his best stuff isn't off. You know, his
ball skills are phenomenal, his coverage is great, But what
do you hearing from scouts on him, given he's only
one hundred and sixty eight pounds yet six feet tall.

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So I think it's interesting two different aspects with these
guys that were you. They're two very different things, but
I could see both of them kind of pushing them
maybe out of that first round. Yeah, And I think
with Forbes, you know, his body frame is unique. Like
you said, he's very frail, especially that lower bottle, I mean,
his his his shins, you look like, yeah. So I

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mean I think, you know, it's natural to have some
concern right when you're playing in the National Football League.
Somebody's gonna fall on that leg. It's gonna be a
fragile situation. So I do think that maybe knocks him
down a peg or two. However, I still think he's
a top fifty overall selection. In regards to Ringo, you know,
he did have a streaky season and he was drew

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some tough assignments there throughout the season. Now, I thought
he recovered some of the concern there to your point,
being able to stick the change of direction, the movement
skills when you watched him at the Combine go through
the w drills and do some of the positional work.
I thought he kind of cleared up some of the
concerns there. I think that he's in that tier two

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cornerback class that brings big time pedigree. And so again,
like you know, that's the thing when you're picking at
twenty five, do you really want to settle for the
fifth or sixth best cornerback or do you want to
go and get yourself one of the top tier players
at another position. I think that's what the dilemma the
Giants will be facing at twenty five. How do you

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see Cam Smith? Because I know a lot of people
see him as a first round pick. I see him
as more of a second round pick personally. When I
went back and I watched the South Carolina tape, your
thoughts on him and he get thrown. Your thoughts on
his teammate Darius Ross. You I thought it had a
great Senior Bowl, But then you look at the tape
and you're like, that guy tested like that at the
Combine and you don't really to me, I don't see
the play speed matchup with the testing speed in Indy. Now,

(07:53):
rush is a perfect example of a guy who's kind
of elevated his stock through the process. He's kind of
checked off all the boxes during the draft process. And
I think he's a developmental guy. You know, you hag
him in day three and you work with him. You
maybe red shirt him the first year and bring him
up to speed, but he has the tools to be
a competent backup at the next level. I think he

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showed that down at Mobile. Not the greatest stick him
cover guy, but a guy that can be adequate and
won't get you killed. And you know, for Cam, you know,
I think he's had a great resume. I think again
he falls a little bit short when compared to some
of the other guys. But you talk about the length,
the speed, the athleticism, it's all there. Any other corners

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you mentioned the Syracuse guy coming off the ACL If
the Giants don't go corner around one, anyone else ricks
stick out to you that you can grab in around two,
around three, even if it's not a plugin player that
you think has the ability to develop and eventually become
a starter. And remember keeping the mind with Wing Martindale,
the Johns want to play a lot of that press
man yeah, you know, I'll give you one guy. It's

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probably not a round a Day two guy, but one
guy that just keeps coming back to my memory. John
is this Keenan Isaac out of Alabama State. We had
him out at the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl and he turned
a lot of heads and our Southeast scout he gave
us a heck of a player comparison. He said, he's
a blend between Cornell Green, who was part of that
doomsday Dallas defense, and Arell Roll, who Giants fans will remember.

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And I said, man, that is one heck of the comparison.
And he came out there. He played great man coverage.
He's like six foot one, six foot two, another one
of these two hundred pound corners. Keep an eye on him.
Some people like him at safety. I thought he did
enough to play corner. If you want a Day two guy.
Clarks Phillips the third out of Utah. We talked about
Garrett Williams in that slot position. Clark Phillips out of Utah,

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redshirt sophomore, maybe a little bit of a forgotten guy.
He is a playmaker. Six interceptions, a handful of pick
six returns. He's a playmaker with the ball in his hands.
That's the kind of guy the Giants need. Somebody that
has a propensity for turnovers, Somebody that can take the
ball the other way, somebody that can score with the
ball in his hands. And Julius Brents from Kansas State

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and DJ Turner we talked about testing. Those are the
by products of what good testing can do. Those guys
will get pushed up, maybe inside the top one hundred
John Day two guys because of how well they tested
DJ Turner, as far as we know, the fastiest player
in this year's draft. I'll give you one other guy
that I like that really flunked and he ran four

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or five, ran a poor forty time his pro day.
I think it was a four seven. But Coastal Carolina
Lance Boykin. I mean, I really broke down the East
West Shrine film and this Coastal Carolina guy, he reminded
me of Josh Norman. All he did was make plays,
baked the quarterback, and anticipate really well. Because of the

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forty yard dashtime, John, he might not even get drafted,
but I'm telling you he's an make it kind of guy.
Interesting and funny. I was gonna ask you about Brentonson
Turner because I think you know Turner's testing again, I
think was probably a little bit better than his tape.
You watching me like, wow, he moved so well, and
then you're like, I don't know why he's giving up
so many receptions. It's odd, Like I feel like it's there.
And then Brents with his agility three cone stuff at

(11:08):
his size at six three was off the charge. I
think he's a perfect third round developmental guy. If you
want to go in that direction you mentioned tight end,
let's go there next rec because I'm with you. Look,
the Giants already done some work with Darren Waller obviously
in the trade. He is thirty years old though, so
he always want to try to future proof to position.
I don't think it's quite as essential as before. I
think it's out of the realm of possibilities now for

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first round, So we could take that first tier out
of it. You mentioned you might be able to find
a start a round three, round four. Who are some
of the guys that you're talking about in that area
that maybe the Giants could be fishing in those waters. Yeah,
let's talk about Payton Dorham out of Purdue I mean
this guy, he gives me, he gives off Kevin Boss
vibes right, doesn't really impress in any one particular area.

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Not the fastest guy, not gonna make the splash plays.
But I'll tell you what all he does is make plays.
And he can line up at h back. He can
line up. I've seen him in the backfield as a locker.
I've seen him out wide as a wide receiver. Payne
dorm out of Purdue. This man gets no love. I
think he's a big time playmaker. Zach Koons out of

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Old Dominion, a Power five transfer. He has all the pedigree,
the size, the athleticism. Where do you transfer from? You
remember Koons? I think it was a Virginia Tech transfer. Okay,
so he was writing that old Old Dominion area. And
he's another guy that's kind of flying under the radar.
That'll be taken probably day three. Uh. Davis Allen from Clemson.

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I mean, the Clemson staff cannot talk enough about this
young man, not only the character, but the coaching staff
says he's the best blocking tight end that the Clemson
staff has ever seen. I mean that's something, yeah, coming
out of Clemson for Davis Allen so I think he's
a guy early day three could come in and start
Luke schoonmaker. If you take a look at what jim

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Jimmy Harball has done with tight ends going back to
his days at Stanford. Really this guy coaches up tight
ends like no other shoonemakers. Another guy not gonna be
explosive in the pass game, but could come in do
a little bit of everything very very well. And man,
there is just such tremendous depth. I mean you take
a look at Jalaile Billingsley, who started over at Alabama,

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quit the team at Texas at one point this past season,
came back, played for US at the NFL PA Bowl
just time to I think of four or five eight
at his pro day. Now teams are gonna want to say, hey,
what happened? Does he love the game? Why did you
leave the team? What's the whole scenario there with sark
and and and and you gotta feel comfortable with that.
But there's a guy. Late round flyer Kamari Everett Bethune Cookman,

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transferred from Louisville, was dismissed on rape allegations. Case was
later dismissed. So again he was a huge mammoth pass
catching productive tight end at a Bethune Cookman. If you
talked about size, athleticism, the whole combination. Kamari Everett is

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a guy, is a really good look looking player. I know.
We had Maurice Jones Drew from NFL Network out at
the PA Bowl. He couldn't stop gushing about this young man.
All right, let's job over to wide receiver Rick, because
I do think this is a possibility that reports out
there that Brian Dable met with and Joe Shane and
the Giant's crew met with Jackson Smith and Jigba before
that Ohio State protegame. We're not confirming that, but that's

(14:25):
what the report said. Your thoughts on this first round group?
You know, I think if you combine last year's class
with this year's class, probably the first one from this
year's going like fifth or six, probably your best, maybe seventh,
who do you think is gonna be there when the
Giants get the twenty five first and foremost, They've already
kind of brought in a bunch of guys that are
very very adept at playing in the slot. So if

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you're looking for someone that can maybe give you some
outside snaps as well as slot snaps and would be available,
and then we'll dip into the later rounds. On the
follow up, who do you think could be in the
mix in that first round? Well, first, I would say
not so fast, friend, because if Jackson Smith and Jigbo
was in this draft last year, based on his season
last year, he was technically the number one guy at Ohio,

(15:09):
say not Garrett Wilson, not Crystal Lave. And I think
that you know, some people thought he kind of maybe
mailed it in with the hamstring injury early in the season,
tried to come back from it, didn't really maybe push
his body to the limits and say, hey, you know what, guys,
I'm good, I'm gonna get ready for the draft. And
you talk about the three cone and the short startle.

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I mean these are elite, elite, elite times. The change
of direction ability is there. He ran it was between
four or four eight four to five two at his
pro day. So I think he truly is the number
one wide receiver in this year's draft at least, And yes,
he will be off the board. I think it's what's
your flavorite? Do you get giant fans all excited? They're like, oh, yeah,
but he's not gonna be in the sume worri that. Hey,

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I just had to get that in there. Yeah, but
I think you know, it's it's funny because they've been
hot to try out on the Zay Flowers. I know
they've been wining and dining him. From what I understand
is the Giants love Jay Flowers. Now to your to
your point leading into the wide receiver. They got so
many slot weapons, right, I mean, I feel like they
got Wendell, they got Sterling, they got I think they

(16:16):
just signed somebody else for Campbell Camde's outer. Yeah. So
to me, yeah, it's not really the best fit. And
to me, Flowers as a guy very similar to Cadarius
Tony quite frankly, I'm not sure if he's a legit
bona fide starter. I mean, I think he's a gadget guy.
You get the ball in space, you're do him in motion,
and you let him do damage. That's just how I

(16:38):
see him. I might be an outleyer. I know he's
got in Steve Smith comparisons. I gotta be honest with you.
People are all over the map on him. You know.
Some people have him as like a top three receiver
in the draft, like Dame Brewer, for example, has him
a second or third round pick. So people are all
over the map. Why why do you see him more
as kind of like the slot gadget guy rather than
somebody that can you know, be someone that can run

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the whole round tree outs. You know, I just didn't
see I've been into Chestnut Hill and I never I
never left saying, you know that's a first round wide receiver.
That's just my eye test. I didn't see it. Maybe
I'm wrong, John, I don't know everybody's comparing this guy
to Steve Smith. I don't see that level of physicality.
I don't see the Deebo Samuel. I mean, I think

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it could have a Deebo Samuel kind of impact. I
just don't see that yard after the catch. Maybe I'm
missing the boat there. But to me, I look at
a guy like Marvin Mimms from Oklahoma who could probably
be had in the third or fourth round. I don't
know if Marvin Mimms might be better than Jay Flowers
to be to be quite honest, that's just me. Jay
Flowers to me, is not a top five wide receiver

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in this year's draft. Jordan Addison from USC I have
is number two. I don't think that's the best. You know,
he's another one of these movement guys, maybe not necessarily
an outside guy. Maybe he's a slot guy, he's a
pre snap motion guy. I don't think that's a good
fit for the Giants. Quentin Johnston from TCU. To me,
he is my number three guy. He would make sense

(18:01):
for the giant length size. You pair him with Hodgens
right opposite of each other. He's a more athletic Hodge
type of Isaiah Hodgins and and they don't have a
true number one guy, So why go get a gadget
guy when you need a bona fide number one guy?
And you know again, Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee, A lot
of people are putting him right in the first round.

(18:23):
I understand it. Speed is a great trait, He's right, Yeah,
he's right. One trick pony. It's a great trick to have.
But you're just getting a guy who runs fly rounds,
and to me, that's not necessarily a first round pick.
Work sounds like someone that's gotten into a lot of
debates online about this wide receiver class up all right,
I think we're kind of on the same page and

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all that. All right, let let's go to that day two,
day three area now, because we've seen a lot of
the receivers finally get drafted in the second or third
round the last couple years be better than the guys
that have gone in the first round, right. I like
the one name you mentioned, Marvin Mims. I'm gonna throw
a couple of names at you. You can hit these
guys or then you can go elsewhere if you want.
I really love Josh Downs. I think he's great, but
I do think he's a slot only guy. UM big fan,

(19:06):
and I was surprised I liked him as much as
I did because I'm usually not a big fan of
the bigger wide receivers. On tape, I thought at Perry
out of wake Forest was phenomenal when I watched him.
I thought his body control adjusting to the ball down
the field was excellent. And you know, Rieshie Rice I
think is a safe pick. I know there's off the
field stuff with him, from what I understand, Michael Wilson,

(19:27):
you get by the injuries, and then I think a
guy like Jayden Reid's very safe. Who are the guys
that you really liked day two or Day three that
you'd think could fit the Giants. Now Wilson out of Stanford,
he really caught my eye. I think it was at
the senior ball Yeah, situations as well. But he's a
special teams guy. I think he's a prototypical like wide
receiver for wide receiver five that comes in plays special

(19:48):
teams read you mentioned from Michigan State, very sound route runner.
I agree, probably a safe pick, you know what you're
getting there, not as much of an upside rice you
know again, I think you gotta do the homework there
and make sure you're comfortable as you do with a
guy like Kashawn Booty out of LSU. You know he's

(20:08):
got some off the field baggage. But let's be honest,
this time last year we were talking about him as
a potential first round pick. Now you might be able
to get him round four, round five. He didn't well, No,
he didn't test well. But you know, this whole past
season for this guy, I think you gotta wipe it
off the map. I mean, nothings gone gone according to

(20:29):
plan for him, and he's just had a bad luck.
Maybe the luck has been created by himself. I want
to find out. I haven't sat down with the young
man and had a conversation with him, but I know what,
when he's on, he's on, and you mentioned downs to
me he's a little bit too wiry. He's a small,
you know, thin guy. I understand the skill set, but

(20:49):
to me, maybe Din a time or test as well.
I still think Tank Dell out of Houston has tremendous
separation ability and because he ran on four or five zero,
he might go early day three. Now to me, that's
a tremendous value. Pictrey Palmer out of Nebraska, he might
have the biggest hands in this year's draft, and he's

(21:10):
fast as lightning. And Ronnie Bell I thought, you know
he coming off that injury, he was kind of under
the radar. He was one of the fastest timed players
down at the Senior bo I think he hit like
twenty two twenty three miles per hour on the catapult technology.
So to me, that's a young man to keep an
eye on. And I know we were going to talk

(21:30):
some sleepers later on in the draft, but I can't
contain my giving me what do you what do you got?
Elan Harris is getting drafted. My friend Oklahoma Baptist who
what huh? Remember the name Keelan Harris. I mean he
met with just about every NFL team out in Pasadena.
By the end of the week, the scouts were just
calling him Hollywood and I was pounding the table trying
to get him down in mobile with our good friend

(21:52):
Jim Nage. Keelan Harris, Oklahoma Baptist. He is a play maker.
Give me with tall, smaller guy. How does he play? Oh? Yeah,
he comes in. He's about six foot two hundred. He
can he can beat you deep, he can beat you underneath.
He can do a little bit of everything. Very sneaky
route runner, very dependable hands, and again just create separation

(22:13):
in short area spaces. I mean, nobody could guard this
young man and one on one drills and that to
me is the ultimate Littmitz step. When you are when
you were constantly schooling the opposing cornerbacks and one on
one drills and they can't cover you, That to me
tells me there's something special about him. I'm gonna throw
a couple of these day two. I think, who are
outside receivers at you? Sort through him? For me? Who

(22:36):
do you like why I already mentioned a couple of them.
Rashi Rice is one. We mentioned him. You could talk
about him again if you like through at Perry in
the mix though, Tyler Scott from Cincinnati in the mix
and know a lot of people really like him. And
then Matt Landers, who I thought was really interesting when
I watched him out of Arkansas. Give me those four
guys and how you kind of would separate them and
if you think the r day two guys and if so,

(22:57):
why Yeah, hazel Wood and Landers from Arkansas kind of
did stand out to me. I like what they can
do after the catch too. And maybe he didn't test
as well, you know, the Cincinnati wide receiver again, I
think people were expecting him to be one of the
faster guys, and he can stretch the field, and I
think he brings that size speed element. I think he

(23:19):
played he's quicker, quicker than fast, right, He's got better
game speed than maybe time speed. So I do like him.
Ah Perry, I think great route runner for a guy
of his size. All he does is get to open
make big plays, big catch radius. So you'll like that,
and I think that's what the Giants need to trendon
is getting some of these bigger body pass catchers that

(23:39):
Daniel Jones could feel fake safe throwing the ball too.
And so you know, I'll throw another guy out there
that we had, Joseph Nagata from Clemson, six foot three
and a half, about two hundred and five pounds, runs
into more mid four five range. He was moving at
a different speed at the All Star circuit. He played

(23:59):
him both PA Bowl and the Shrine Bowl. Thought he
had a tremendous week. How about Mitchell Trubisky, Not Mitchell Twisky, Mitchell, uh,
the wide receiver from Penn State. Um, uh, Parker Washington
you talk about No, no, no, no, there's another he
transferred from Western Kentucky. Mitchell. I think it's another team.
It's slipping my mind. Uh he Mitchell Tinsley. Okay, I'm

(24:24):
gonna say, if Mitch Trubisky is back in the draft
as a wide receiver, that'd be pretty damn impressive. He
might need to re enter the draft. But yeah, this
Mitchell Tinsley. You know, I went out. I went out
to Happy Valley back in August, and the coaching staff said, hey,
you know, we love Parker Washington, but we really think
Mitchell Tinsley is kind of a one A, one B

(24:46):
type of situation, and I think I think he may
have led the nation in receiving the year before at
Western Kentucky catching the ball from Bailey's appey. Now he's
another guy that he can play outside, he could play inside.
He's gonna be moved pre snap motion guy. You see
a lot of that proliferation into the NFL, right these
college offenses that pre snap movement. Mitchell Tinsley's one of

(25:08):
those guys. You get the ball in his hands in
space and watch him work. All Right, any of the
wide receivers you want to throw out there, Rick, Before
we move on to running backs, I mean, we got
to show some love to andre Yoseiva's right from Princeton
to the crazy guy right down the road. I mean,
when's the last time a Princeton player was invited to
the Senior ball. I mean, that was great to see

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and and I think he did well too. He did
did he did? He held his own former track standout.
And um, I will say this one other guy talk
about a big body pass catcher out of UCLA. If
you weren't weren't up on the Late night Jake Bobo.
This guy's got sized, he's got what you call sneaky athleticism,

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and he really emerged. I thought as Dorian Thompson, Robinson's
number one target, and I think he transferred. He might
have came over from Colorado. Chip Kelly really worked the
transfer portal to his favor this past year. I thought
his biggest fine was Jake Bobo, and I can't find
a lot of love out there for him. I think
he's a draftable guy. I don't know if he gets

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chosen or not. I'll throw one other guy, Justin Shorter
from Florida. Another one I thought to me was maybe
the best wide receiver at the East West Shrine Bowl
all week long. And then Tyrone Scott from Missouri State.
Here's a guy who wasn't invited to any All Star Games,
but was invited to the Combine. I believe Missouri State
Tyrone Scott. He's a guy in the draft community that

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is gaining a lot of bus. All right, let's go
to the running back class. Wreck. We haven't mentioned that yet.
They have Sake Giants have Sacon Barkley on a franchise tag,
so it's only under control for one year. They liked
him to be here longer. We'll see if they could
work something out. But in the meantime, you try to
feature proof of yourself at these positions, right, and if
you're get to do that a running back, I think
this is a great draft for it. We know about

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Bijean Robinson, I mean, I mean, I would doubt the
Giants will go there at twenty five, or maybe he's
not even getting there. I don't know, but he's wonderful.
You know, Jimmy or Gibbs is really good. I don't
think he's getting to the Giants in the second round.
I think he'll be well off the board. Then anyone
else that you would put close to those top two
guys that you think would be off the board for
the Giants with their second round pick before we dip

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into the guys that you that you like. No, I
think you know to me, Bijon Robinson, for whatever it's worth,
is a top five player in this year's draft, and
it wouldn't surprise me quite frankly, in ten twenty years
from now when we look back at twenty twenty three
NFL Draft class, when we say, hey, Bijean Robinson was
the best player in this draft class. Why did we
overthink it? I think there's a little bit of that element.

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So to me, you've hit the nail on the head
though Gibbs. I don't think there's a huge drop off
either between Robinson and Gibbs. I do I want to
be surprised if Gibbs goes in the first round. I
don't think it'll happen. I do think it'll be off
the board before fifty seven and then after that. You know, listen,
ty j Spears Greenway, he is just growing on me.

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I know he's only like a buck eighty five soaken wet,
but man, his explosiveness, this change of direction, his vision.
I mean, this guy is the goods. I really like
what he brings to the table. Now you want to
go opposite end of the spectrum. I just talked about
the UCLA wide receiver, the running back Zach sharbon Ay.
I mean this guy is a clone of James Connor

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when you watch him. So if you like a big,
bruising between the tackles type of runner, and you know
you're there at pick eighty nine or one twenty eight
and you can get a guy like Zach sharbon Ay,
I mean I think that's a tremendous value. I mean,
Chase Brown at of Illinois, this guy is gonna go
day three. I think he has starter potential totally at

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the next level, I really do. I mean, Chase Brown
is a tough, hard nosed runner, can keep it between
the tackles, can cut it outside if he needs to be.
But he can't get any love in the national media.
I mean, the running backs don't get love overall. Period.
You want to go a little bit day three. Mohammed
Abraham from Minnesota is going to outplay a lot of

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these guys that get taken ahead of him. But he
does have a kind of shopping list of injuries, right,
and it's a it's a quite extensive. So he might
be a late round flyer. But if this guy is healthy,
I mean, he could really play a big time role.
Sean Tucker again from Syracuse. If you want, if you

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want the body clone of say Kuon Barkley, Tucker's got
these huge thighs, right, you might you might confuse him
from say Kwon Barkley if you put him in a
big blue uniform. His thighs are big, they're thick, they're powerful.
He didn't exactly have the season that I would have
liked to see. But I'll tell you what, he's got

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that track background, he's a big, powerful back. And one
other guy, Chris Rodriguez. I had a chance to talk
to the Kentucky running back coach out at the combine.
He just gushes over Rodriguez from Kentucky. Now he was
suspended to start the season, So again, you got to
do your homework there off the field, and again let's

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shine the light on some guys in our own backyard.
He just had his pro day this week, Owen Right
at a Monmouth I'm going to continue to tout his
praises because he is a four down player who's played
all four special teams units, and my opinion, is the
best short yardage runner in the entire draft. And I'll
throw the Nevada kidata. But to me, Owen Right, what

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do you have sixteen touchdowns in ten games? You need
two yards to get you three? You need three yards,
He'll get you three. Now you know if you need
four yards, Johnny, he's only gonna get you three. That's
where Owen Right bring us to the table. Though he's
he's a really impressive looking running back. Yeah, and Rick,
what I like about the running back class too? You

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know you you know we talked about the wide receiver class,
right this only like five nine, five ten guys that
are one hundred eighty pounds and they run around. This
running back class. You could check the boxes. Man, you
got a smaller guy like Spears. You want a big guy,
all right, Go go go draft Roshan Johnson out of Texas,
Go draft you know Evan Hole out of Northwestern. You
know it's Kenny McIntosh. You want somebody that can do

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a little bit of everything, catch the ball, go draft him.
Eric Grays another one of these kind of mid sized
guys that I thought looked really good at Mobile. You know,
there's a no matter what you're looking for flavor wise
in the running back position, you can find one up
and down this draft board, rounds one through five, one
through six. Yeah. I'll throw a deuced vawn in the
equation there too. I'll talk about different shapes and sizes, man,

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Holy cow. Yeah, and I mean for the for the
listening audience at home that might not know five foot five,
one hundred and seventy nine pounds for deuced vawn. But
he definitely plays bigger than the size. And I like
the Kenny McIntosh. I know he only ran I think
four to six two, but I think you're right. He
brings a lot to the table, can do a little
bit of everything very well. Yeah, and he mentioned you know,

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that's like Darren Sproles all over again, dude one. Yeah,
A smart head coach will find the way to use him,
and he's gonna be a pain in the ass to
game plan for for teams in this league for like
seven eight years. It just is one of my personal
favorites in this year's draft, no doubt question. All right,
let's stick on offense. It'll go a little along here, Rick,

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but I think it's great information. I like you throwing
all these little school guys in there, like people really
gravitate towards these names, which is great. Let's go to
offensive line. But once the Giants don't need an offensive tackle.
So I'm not gonna ask you about those guys unless
you want to throw like a Day three sleeper in
that they could develop because they could use a swing guy.
So why don't they go there first? Give me a
guy that you could draft to develop as a swing tackle.

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Maybe on on Day three of this draft. How about
a Tyler Stein out of Alabama. He has some tackle experience,
he has some good length, has the size to play tackle.
I know some scouts prefer him to kick inside at
the next level, but I'll tell you what. Alabama just
had their Pro day this week, and I think Tyler
Steam is gaining some steam. And I think at the

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at the worst case scenario, you have yourself a very
very solid starting guard. At the best case scenario, you
have a guy who could develop into a starting tackle.
Was like a David Deal type of guy. You're talking
about one. Yeah, And I'll tell you one guy who's not.
He's not an inside outside guy, but he reminds me
of Charlie Villa Wineva and Ryan Sobota. I was down

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on the field at Virginia Tech about five or six
years ago. There was this true freshman starter at left tackle,
six foot nine. I said, who the heck is this
jolly green giant. It's Ryan Sobota. Now he almost died.
If you remember Corey Stringer, he had almost the same
exact incident with Okay, he transferred to UCF to be

(33:53):
closer to home. Now he's all one hundred percent healthy,
he was playing left tackle at Pasadena at six foot nine,
and he has the band and the athleticism to stay there.
I talked the scouts, this is charlie Villewenevo, Ryan Sobota,
remember the name at tackle. In terms of a guard,

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I'll give you a late round guy again that is
probably gonna get drafted on Day three, coming to the league,
develop into a starter and last a decade. Side Sal
from Eastern Michigan. This guy has shaped like a refrigerator
now John, and he can move some bodies. And I'll
tell you what. At first glance, I wasn't a big believer.

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As I studied him more and more and scouts started
talking him up, and I got a chance to see
him in action side Sal from Eastern Michigan as a guy.
But Cody Mark, I think at fifty seven from North
Dakota State might still be on the board for Big Blue.
And I could live with him on the outside. I
could live with them on the inside. I perform probably

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at the guard, but I think he'll get every opportunity
to compete at so I would. I would also throw
Nick Broker from Mississippi into the equation because up until
this year he started his entire career at tackle. Now
he kicked inside this past year, but he has the
potential to do that. Brandon Counsel from Auburn is another

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guy that our offensive line coaches loved out in Pasadena.
So you know, those are just some names to keep
an eye on there. You know you mentioned Cody Malok
and I think what's insitioning about him? And I'm let's
dip into this category. Now, Giant Sea the center, it
might be the most glaringly on their roster. Nick Gates
moved on, John Fliciana moved on. They asked him in
house veteran Ken that he's been knowing that has been

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a natural player at that position, per Se. So I
guess do you think mal can move in and play
some center? He did it at the Senior Bowl a
little bit. And who else? And who else do you like?
Its center and Ken? What would be the sweet spot
for some of these guys that you think could step
in and maybe even started center in year one? Yes,
center is a underrated position in this year's drafting. You

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might see two of them go in the first round.
Joe Tipman out of Wisconsin, who's got athleticism, He's got
a strong anchor. He's another one at Pro Day that
that really showed incredible strength. I thought to combine with
the athleticism. So the taller center two six six, Yeah,
it's very very rare that you see these bigger centers

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because John Michael Smith's comes in at six foot three
and a half. Steve Avila, who I think is more
of a guard a center, I know he's listed at center.
We got to change our big board. He had the
draft bible. Avila is a guy he could play all
three interior spots, which I think bodes well. He's got
great upper body strength. His lower body needs development. But

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Stephen Avila is a guy that has starting potential. Now
here's the thing. I got a cheet code at the
center position, so I'm not drafting one early on and
for what it's worth. I like John Michael Schmidts, I
like the grappling, I like the state wrestling championship background.
I'm a big believer how that translates to the next level.
But to me, John, I'm waiting. I'm waiting because I

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know that somewhere in the middle rounds I'm gonna take
John Gaines from UCLA and John Gaines is one of
the most cerebral and versatile offensive linemen in the entire
NFL draft. If you talk to the UCLA coaching staff,
this guy is so smart. He's like a coach on
the field. He started at all five positions. I truly

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believe that his best spot is at the center spot.
And he did so well for us in Pasadena, the
scouts urged him to go to the East West Shrine Bowl.
John Gaines, remember the name. He's going to start for
a very very long time in the National Football League.
And to Shaun Manning. To Shaun Manning, he's a cancer survivor.

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Transferred to Kentucky. This past year. He's played guard, he's
played tackle. The coaching staff there told us his best
center will be at center again because of the cerebral awareness.
Great names. No one it brought young gains up to
me yet say this is why we haven't work on
you learn new names. Line. Now, I gotta go and
watch him all right, let's slot to the defensive side
of the ball. Giants can still use some help a

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defensive tackle or interior or defensive line. You know, five
technique guys, things like that. Dexter Lawrence he's gonna be
hopefully here a long time. You have another year on
that contract. Leonard Williams only his one year left. They
just signed Nacho Nunez Roches Nuniez New Year's Roches part
of me from the Ten Bay Buccaneers. But they could

(38:32):
use some depth there, Rick, I don't see it the
value at twenty five, to be honest with you, But
who do you like a little bit later on in
the draft that could kind of be that, you know,
run stuffer helper on the interior that defensive line. Well,
I will say, you know, if Leonard Williams is on
his final year, Nazzie Smith from Michigan maybe not getting
enough first round buzz at twenty five, would you consider

(38:54):
him at twenty five? I would? I really would. I do,
because I do think that you can never have enough
offensive lineman or defensive lineman, right and if you're trying
to keep up with the Joneses and in your own division,
Philadelphia is stacked at the at the offense and defensive lines.
They've got depth for days. And that's the team you're

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trying to knock off the mountaintop of that division. So
do you see pass Rushwood Smith because when I watch him, uh,
you know he was on Feldman's freaks list, right and all.
He I don't think Michon. I don't think he's worked
out of Michigan's Pro day yet, right, I'm not sure
when that's coming up. I don't think he's I don't
think he did, or maybe he did. If so, I
didn't see any numbers he didn't work out at the
combine or no, I don't know. I don't think. I

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don't recall seeing Michigan's Pro day just yet. No, I
don't think so either. But either way, when you watch
the tape, I you know you want to see, Oh yeah,
I see the I see the freakishness. I don't see
the freakishness. Now. What I do see is a guy
that literally will take an offensive lineman that's blocking him,
move him aside, and then go make a play. But

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I don't know if I see that ability to kind
of get up field, and I worry about drafting a
guy I don't see the pass rush ability from in
the first round. You know what I mean? No, I
hear you allowed him clear right, because you want to
see the athleticism matchup to what you're seeing on film. Now,
I don't know if that's exactly what Michigan wanted him
to do on a basis right, So like, I'm not

(40:17):
going to penalize him for that. I do think that
there's the potential, right if you tap into it and
need to use them in that kind of capacity, you
can use them situationally. I do think he can, though,
be a very effective edge setter against the run. He
chases down the ball carriers. He got a high motor.
He really gets after it. And if you're just looking

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for a big body who can move and give your
solid play, which again at you know, i'd have him
here at six foot three three twenty three there. Yeah,
there's not too many guys that you're gonna find that big,
that physical, that can move like that. I'll tell you
one of the biggest tragedies of the NFL scouting combine

(41:02):
the fact that Scott Matlock at a Boise State was
not invited to the NFL scouting combine. I mean, what
a missed opportunity by the NFL, because all this guy
does is anchored the middle of the defensive line. There
from Boise State the Broncos, he was unguardable at Pasadena
in Las Vegas at the East West Shrine Bowl. Scott

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Matlock from Boise State is going to start in the league.
He wasn't even invited to the NFL scouting combine. John
p J. Mustafer from Penn State coming off the injury.
This guy again he talked about up here, right, that
means a lot. James Franklin, the head coach of Penn State, said,
when PJ. Mustafer has done playing in the National Football League,

(41:44):
he's got a guaranteed coaching spot reserved for PJ. Mustafer.
That's how much he thinks of this young man. And
I think people are sleeping on him because he's coming
off the injury, might not have tested great. I'll give
you another guy, Corey Dirden, North Carolina State, the transfer
from Florida State. Inside outside versatility. He's played pass rusher,
he's played defensive tackle again. Another guy that can move

(42:06):
very well, three hundred plus pounds, very athletic for his size,
has a little bit of nasty to him. Day three.
Guy gonna outproduce some of the players chosen ahead of him.
All right, take linebacker anyway you want. Rick. Yeah, I'm
not a big fan of the linebacker class. I don't
think we're gonna see any first round guys Trent and
Simpson out of Clemson for whatever. Where his worth is

(42:27):
probably the guy there I'll give you again. I'll give
you some guys that you're listening audience might not be
familiar with. Mohammed Daiabadi from Utah again not invited to
the NFL scout and Combine unbelievable, very raw. Okay has
to work on his instincts. But when I'm telling you,
this guy flies to the football stuff the gaps, can

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be a very very effective player as a linebacker against
the run. Muhammed Dayahbadi, this guy's a lump of clay.
He can be molded into a starter at the next level.
I think, body, I have him. Let's see, I'm gonna
pull him up here for you on the fly, die
a body I have at six foot three and three

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eighth and just two hundred and twenty nine pounds, John
I got him in the four to five five range,
eighty inch wing spen it's winspan out of Utah, just
very raw, but extremely athletic. And then Isaiah land out
of Florida, A and M. I think it's a guy
who will best be served as an off ball linebacker
at the next level. Now at Florida A and M,

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he was asked to get after the quarterback and he's
he's probably I don't know, he's six two, two thirty
maybe something around there. I'm not sure he has the
size to live on the edge at the next level.
But he's another one that flies to the football. I
think would be a very very good off ball linebacker
and maybe the third or fourth round Isaiah Land. You know,
I think people all over the place on the edge

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rushers in this class rook to be honest with you,
you know, Will Anderson seems to be the concessis number one,
but I know some people that really like Tyree Wilson
and then you know, you get into real messy area
after that. To me, the Miles Murphy's to be Joji Lorries,
you know, and you know the Will McDonald's, and these
guys are all different shapes and sizes too. So how
do you kind of break down that, like next couple

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tiers of edge guys that you know could fit a
Wink system that's pretty versatile, does a lot of different things.
And you know, we saw him, and you know Baltimore
for example. Have you know Jason Oway at a Penn
State who didn't have much production but was you know,
super fast than us And maybe you're talking about the
kid out of Georgia then, so how do you then
break down that that that kind of set of edge guys?

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And because I really do think you kind of have
to get one by round three if you want a
guy that that's going to be a real, you know,
impact player in the league. Yeah, if you want an
immediate impact guy, you're gonna have to get one in
the top twenty or even really the top ten. And
Will Anderson is that guy, right. And I know that
there's a small fraction of the scouting community who had

(44:54):
some concerns at least coming into the combine about his
size and his frame. Could he live as a forty
three defensive end. I still think standing him up as
a thirty four outside linebacker is going to be your
best bet. But I mean, listen, he can drop back
in coverage now too, and isn't too bad doing that either.
I mean there's really very few, if any flaws to

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Will Anderson's overall game. So he is the consent And
I think, you know, Jonathan Gannon, for whatever it's worth,
I think the Cardinals are picking at three. Will Anderson
just makes so much sense to play that Hassim Reddick
role for him. Now, Tyree Wilson. If you want a
traditional forty three handing the dirt defensive end, Tyree Wilson

(45:39):
is that dude. And there are some guys that do
have them on ahead of Will Anderson in terms of
their big board in the league. So those are the
guys I think, you know, to your point, the way
you break it down, like Keyon White out of Georgia
Tech and and Will McDonald at Iowa State, I think
these guys are developmental edge rushers where you got the size,

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you got the athleticism. I mean, McDonald's got that crazy twitch,
that bend, I mean, move man, who dude, I mean
he contorts his body, remember Gumby and Pokey. I mean
he's doing things that, Yeah, you just can't teach some
of these things, my friend. And so to me, that's

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the allure of a Will McDonald maybe catapulting himself and
to your point, like Drew Sanders out of Arkansas, right,
he's been asked to get after the quarterback he's been
asked to play some offball linebacker where the teams like
him at the next level. Uh, Nolan Smith out of Georgia,
I think is gonna get bumped inside the top ten

(46:43):
just on the athletic traits to ten. And you saw
you saw the same thing happen to his teammate last year,
right Trayvon Walker. People didn't really think about talking about
this guy, the number one overall picked on in the season.
And then you get Nolan Smith who was kind of
out of sight, out of mind, and again you're trying
to project and create an edge rusher. Well, hey, Nolan

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Smith's got all the tools in the shed. That's a
guy I want to work with and try to create.
So he might not have necessarily done it at Georgia,
but he's also playing with a bevy of talent that
is using the rotation. He's coming off an injury. But
if you're just saying, hey, I just fell on to
Planet Earth, I need myself and an athletic pass rusher,
this guy looks the part. Let's try to mold the

(47:29):
Nolan Smith into an edge rusher. I can get on
board with that. Yeah, And I'll tell you what b j.
Thompson out of Stephen F. Auston is a guy and
Caleb Murphy out of Ferrish State. Two guys Day three.
You need to know Baldonado. I gotta show some love
to my pison. Moved from Italy. I think his junior

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year of high school very raw, really game. Baldonado got
that raw explosiveness. One of the fastest first steps in
the draft. Baldonado out of Pittsburgh and then Titus Leo
right here in Staten Island. You know, he was not
even on the national Lord the Blessed though John so
I took the scouts. They said, what do you know
about the kid from Wagner. I said, he's a legit player.

(48:13):
He's good. He's a good player, man. But you know what,
teams didn't even make the journey because scouting services didn't
have him ranked. But anybody, and I know, you know
with the Northeast Conference, he's one of the best pass
rushers I've seen come through that conference and quite some time.
And so I think he's another guy that people are
sleeping on. Yeah, and look, he hits all the benchmarks

(48:33):
two for size, right, he's like six four, six five,
He's two fifty. He will. He will check all the
boxes from an athleticism standpoint, absolutely all right. Final position
GROUPIEREK is safety where we didn't think the Giants would
have ANIBA would Julian Love going to Seattle and signing
with the Seahawks. Look, they have some guys there. They
directed Dame Belton last year. Jason Pennock was was good

(48:53):
in a filling role this past season. But do you
think Brian Branch might get the twenty five because he
didn't run too well at the combine. I think his
his field work though in Indie was phenomenal. He's so fluid.
I know he's kind of one of these hybrid slot
safety guys. And who else do you like at that position? Yeah?

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I think the last mock I had Branch coming off
the board to the Packers, who I think choose before
the Giants. So I think it's fifty fifty as to
whether Brian Branch will be there, and I think he
is probably the top safety. He could play in the box,
he could play center field, he can play a little
bit of everything they can play. Yeah, you can move
him around. His physical to that point. Chris Smith out

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of Georgia does a lot of very similar things, not
quite as big. So maybe that's a guy on day
two that they might look at. I'm still a big
Here's a question real quick, I want to fall up
on Smith. Do you think he's forty time might push
him to day three? And then and then by the
way his his his pro day work out, he did
some of the agility stuff that was kind of a
disaster too. Do you think he might get pushed to

(49:55):
day three? Because I loved his tape when I watched him,
to be honest with you, I thought he was really
good on film. Yeah, I mean, I think he's a
good football player at the end of the day. To
your point, yeah, I think there might be some skepticism
that could hurt him in his draft stock. And you know,
he didn't run a great time, But I don't think
he ran a terrible time either. I just think that,
you know, these guys get bigger, stronger, fasters every year,

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John that when they don't run an eye popping time. Oh,
what's what's going on? What's wrong? Well, you know, he's
just a good football player, right, So that's that's where
I fall on Chris Smith. But yeah, to your point,
could he slide to eighty nine potentially. I will say
one of the bigger safeties I like in this Antonio
Johnson out of Texas A and M Well, there are
a lot of people that love that kid. Man fast, physical,

(50:41):
flies to the football, can get his hand on passes,
six ft two hundred pounds, size, speed, athleticism, Antonio Johnson,
I think after Branch might be your best bang for
the buck. And I think he could be had on
day two. So I think, you know, at safety. I'm
a big fan of City Brown. You know I was
going to ask you about him. I love him too,

(51:03):
man boy, but he is rocked up by the way
he is, like he is ready to go. Man, These
Brown boys, the Canada invasion, the Canada boys taking a
league by So I'll tell you that Sidney Brown, I mean,
how do you not like this young man? And I'll
tell you what this Marte Mappoo from Sacramento State, Oh

(51:25):
my god, Nico Bolden from Kent State. Remember these names,
Marto Mappy, Marte Mappoo. I'm still learning the name. You know.
He was trending towards a mid round pick. He got
injured at his pro day. But he is a chess piece.
He could play linebacker, he could play safety. I'm gonna
give you another guy, John Michael Ayers out of Ashland, Okay,

(51:50):
started at safety, actually came as a wide receiver cornerback,
bulked up about forty fifty pounds, walked on to Ashland.
Tors acl is a senior in high school. Scouts came
in in the spring, timed them in the four five
range as a linebacker. Sky's the limit for Michael Ayers
out of Ashland. Might play him at linebacker, might play

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him at safety. I think he gets drafted. Nico Balden
is a lengthy athletic kid out of Kent State. Look
out for the Patriots. They usually have their finger on
the pulse with these Kent State guys. I don't know why,
but Nico Bolden out of Jason Taylor, the second from
Oklahoma State, is a guy to keep an eye on.

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And he could play safety, he could play corner. But
this guy's all over the football, great coverage guy. And
then I'll tell you what. JR. Brown from Penn State, TREYE.
Dean from Florida. They did run that sentence forty times,
and I think it's gonna hurt their their draft stock significantly.
I think I think it made Trey Dean a mid
round pick to a potential undrafted free agent. He could

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play either safety position, very versatile, natural instinct. I'm not
going to downgrade him, but I'll tell you what, he's
going to be a great late round back Jayre Brown.
I thought it was a potential top one hundred pick
coming into the process. Now his testing is going to
tell us otherwise. But I mean, whatever it's worth, I
still will stack him into that category as a potential

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starter at the next level. All right, finally, right, tell
the folks what you're doing. Where they can find your work.
As you can tell that's an encyclopedic knowledge of who's
coming out in the draft. Where can they find all
your great wisdom? Wreck Hey, I appreciate that John. NFL
Draftbible dot com will take us straight to the Sports
Illustrated landing page, where the official NFL draft content provider

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You never know who who's gonna drop by there. So yeah,
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to thirty Rick. Awesome stuff, man. Great to have you.
As always, we're in a sprint now. We're under five
weeks until the draft. Enjoy a man, get that draft

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