Kari connects Jeff to his mother, as they talk about his more private gift of songwriting, how this moment in the world is like a mirror and midlife crisis that can be good and force us to address superficialities and what our raison d'etre is, how he knew to follow his life path in his college years in Boston (and Warren Towers) with doors that open to other doors and feeling at home, what he listens to for grounding, the '80s with Level 42 and how Howard Jones' music was about positivity, and Rockapella's new music like "Lady Mine - Bach v. Beethoven."
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