April 21, 2025 • 30 mins
Carolyn Ingledue brings twenty years of massage therapy expertise and a fascinating personal journey to this enlightening conversation about healing through touch and sound. As the founder of Serenity Fix Wellness, she offers a unique blend of traditional massage techniques and innovative sound therapy that addresses stress at its physiological source.
The discussion takes a deep dive into Kita sound therapy, a one-on-one treatment distinctly different from Tibetan sound bowls. Clients wear headphones while receiving vibrational treatment along their spine, effectively shifting their nervous system from fight-or-flight to a restorative state. This technique gained prominence when Carolyn worked with 9/11 first responders suffering from sleep disturbances and PTSD, creating a full-circle moment in her career journey.
Carolyn's path to becoming a massage therapist is equally compelling – beginning as a professional dancer whose career was saved by therapeutic massage, then transitioning to wellness work after soul-searching following the September 11 attacks. Throughout her practice, Carolyn has evolved her skillset alongside her personal life transitions, from prenatal massage when considering motherhood to pediatric massage when raising young children.
What stands out is how Carolyn's approach addresses modern stress challenges. In a world where we're bombarded by thousands of advertising messages daily, her therapeutic techniques offer much-needed respite and nervous system regulation. Her comprehensive service offerings – from medical massage to infant massage instruction to assisted stretching – reflect her commitment to whole-person wellness across all life stages.
Whether you're dealing with chronic tension, recovering from injury, or simply seeking better sleep and stress management, this conversation offers valuable insights into how skilled touch and sound vibration can restore balance to overtaxed bodies and minds. Ready to experience the healing power of professional therapeutic touch? Visit serenityfix.com to learn more.
Serenity Fix Wellness
Carolyn Ingledue
(917) 439-0189
183 Old Tappan Road Old Tappan, NJ 07675
2nd Floor
carolyn@serenityfix.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Good Neighbor Podcast, the place
where local businesses andneighbors come together.
Here's your host, Doug Drohan.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey everybody, Welcome to another episode of
the Good Neighbor Podcastbrought to you by the Bergen
Neighbors Media Group.
Today we are joined by SerenityFix Wellness owner and founder,
Carolyn Ingledue.
Carolyn, welcome to the show,Thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, serenity Fix Wellness.
It sounds like you're going toSerenity Now.
(00:32):
Serenity Now is a line fromSeinfeld.
We could all use a littleSerenity in our lives.
Tell us a little bit about thecompany and when you started it
and where you're located.
Then we'll get into a bit aboutthe company and when you
started it and where you'relocated, and then we'll get into
a bit about your 20 years, plus20 years of being in the
massage therapist world.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, thank you so much.
Yeah, so Serenity Fix Wellnessis a massage clinic that offers
individualized care for all agesand a variety of issues.
I'm the sole provider there, sothat gives me the luxury of
working with my clientsone-on-one and giving that
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individualized attention.
My expertise pretty much liesin medically-based modalities.
Very often I am supportingpeople with injury and surgery
rehab.
I offer manual lymph drainageand pre and postnatal care for
mothers.
I'm also a certified Kita soundtherapist, which is different
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than the sound bowls.
I know when people think ofsound baths and sound healing
think of sound baths and soundhealing you think of the Tibetan
bowls.
The Kita sound therapy is veryone-on-one based.
The person receiving soundtherapy wears headphones and I
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administer a treatment on thespine with a cushion.
That's pretty much.
It vibrates.
So not only is the clienthearing the vibrational tones
through audible device, they'realso feeling the vibrational
tones along their spinal columnto kind of really usher that
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sympathetic, parasympatheticnervous system into into play so
that it can bring, bring thethe relax and restore hormones
and bring that person out of thefight or flight response that
we sent tend to spend a lot oftime in throughout our day
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I have no.
That's interesting because Ihave had a Tibetan bowl
therapist on my show and I'vebeen to her studio in Wyckoff
and you know I could see howthat is very soothing and
healing and just you know, andyou're, you take your shoes off,
you're kind of grounded, eventhough it's in a, in a building.
I can absolutely sense the, thetherapeutic benefits of sound
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healing, but what you'redescribing obviously is a little
bit.
Obviously it's individual.
You have headphones on andthere's also, as you said,
something.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And the sound baths are awesome, like if you get a
chance to go to one.
It is a wonderful experienceand it's a group, collective
experience.
But Akita sound healing is alittle more.
You know, it's one-on-one andindividualized.
So if you are looking for thatsort of personal one-on-one, the
Kita sound healing kind of hasthe same effects as a sound bath
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without the collective group.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right, so let's talk a little bit more about that.
Why is sound and vibrationsmore about that?
Why is sound and vibrations?
Why is that, uh, therapeuticand and it and is it what you
know, tibetan?
Obviously it's from tibet,right, your therapy, I think, is
the key to this from japanjapan, yes, so what is it that
the asians have?
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Have figured out that we have.
And and then, what is?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
what is it about sound, it's funny, funny because
sound is very primal and if youdo look back at many cultures
and history of cultures, it'sthe same as chanting, why
certain cultures will usechanting or different keening
and calls different keening andcalls that vibration in your
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body really does restore apattern of calmness and that
it's very primal and that is whyit's kind of having its moment.
Now You'll see sound therapycoming up all over the place.
These days it's kind oftrending.
It's funny because I've beendoing this for years.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And why is it trending?
Was it because of somecelebrity attached to it?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't really know.
I find there are different typesof sound machines coming out
that are very slick, and I thinkthe bowls offer a community
sort of approach as well and Ithink, as our lives become more
disconnected and more chaotic asfar as devices and information
(05:13):
and everything, I feel that thesound therapy is a very easy way
to reconnect with what's goingon in your body and really kind
of bringing you back to a stateof calm, a state of homeostasis,
and just kind of get thatnervous system, because our
nervous systems are just goingfull tilt.
(05:35):
Sound therapy is a very easy,efficient, precise way to get
that nervous system back intorest and relax mode without a
lot of other things involved.
It's it's very easy and simpleand, in time, timely, like you
can easily do it in 10, 15minutes if you needed to.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I come to your studio , I go through a key to therapy
and then I go back home and Iturn on the news and I got to,
and then I have to.
You know, not me personally.
I'm, let's say, turn on thenews, and I got to, and then I
have to.
Uh, you know, not me personally, but let's say, turn on the
news.
I got to commute into the citythe next day.
I got to deal with this, thatand the other thing.
Yeah, all right, I felt good for15 minutes.
Now the world is too much withme and I'm back to where I was
being overwhelmed and stressed.
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You can build up kind of likegoing to the gym.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, you can definitely.
Here's what happens isoriginally when I was trained on
this.
I was trained on firstresponders from the 9-11 attacks
in New York City, so I learnedthis back in 2005 through Kita,
the actual designer of thismachine, and it was in an effort
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to offer complementary care toall of these people who were
suffering chronic healthconditions from being involved
with the 9-11 attacks.
And what they were seeing isthat people who were having
distorted sleep patterns andthen everything that goes with
distorted sleep patterns, withanxiety, depression, stress,
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post-traumatic stress, all ofthese things those were getting
improved by regular treatmentswith the sound therapy and it
really did sort of bring mywhole journey full circle.
The whole reason I went back toschool to become a massage
therapist is because I wasliving in New York City during
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the attacks.
And at the time I was aperformer and I kind of did some
soul searching and I was readyto change.
So I went to massage therapyschool and then my first job out
of massage therapy school I gettrained on this, this device
that actually helps the peoplethat were sort of my inspiration
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to change careers and andchange my path.
So I kind of have like a littlesoft spot for sound therapy and
its work.
But since then, you know, I'veused it on my children, I've
used it on myself.
It's a wonderful.
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It's a wonderful tool for sortof bringing that rest and relax
mode, that rest and repair modeinto your system.
And with better sleep you'regoing to have better immune
response.
You're going to have betterhealing response, better repair
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response for injury, anxiety,depression all of that gets
regulated just from having abetter sleep pattern.
I do have a client who getssound therapy often and she has
this device.
I don't know what it is, butthis device gives her a readout
on her ability to handle stress.
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She's got all the fancy things,anyway.
It's so funny because everytime she has sound therapy she
sends me the little readout thatsays you are like 78% ready to
handle stress where before?
she had been like 38% ready tohandle stress.
So she's so funny because shealways sends me a thing that's
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like I need to handle stressbetter and sound therapy always
gets her body ready to handlestress better and that's just
her everyday stress, like shedoesn't have a crazy job or you
know dealing with a stressful,chaotic job.
That's just everyday motherhoodstress stress.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, you know it's funny like we're dealing with
stress, right.
We've been dealing with it inall different forms.
It seems to be something thatwe feel is unique to our time,
right?
But I use the words, I use thephrase the world is too much
with us, and that was a poemwritten by William Wordsworth in
1802.
So he was writing in Englandabout the first industrial
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revolution and how the world wastoo much with us and how we
were kind of losing touch withourselves and nature and we were
overly focused on materialismand worldly pursuits.
And that was 1802.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's not a new theme, is it?
No, it's not a new theme.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's not a new theme, but I think we always feel like
the world is too much with usbecause there's so many
distractions and stimuli.
And the truth is and I use thisin a marketing sense we are
exposed to 5,000 to 10,000 admessages a day, a day.
Yeah, that's crazy.
So and I'm going to look thisup again because I've used this
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before how many advertisingmessages are we exposed to daily
?
The average person is estimatedto be exposed to between 4,000
and 10,000 advertising messagesdaily, so I mean how do you
disconnect from that?
Even if you want to disconnect.
So I mean, we can go on and onabout this.
Maybe we will at another date.
You know, there's so manydifferent things we do today
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from a therapeutic standpoint interms of helping us deal with
stress in our lives, whetherit's sound therapy, massage
therapy, flotation therapy,Meditation.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I have meditation.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I had a business owner in Norwood who installs
backyard saunas and cold spongebaths, right.
So there's the.
You know there's a therapeuticscience behind.
You know what saunas and coldplunges can do for us.
So there's so many differentways that we're reaching as a
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people to.
You know, we build this, thistension.
It's like we build this ball oftension.
We spend our lives building it,deliberately building it right.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And then we have to go find ways to release that
tension, to build it back upagain, and then release it and
build it back up again.
It sounds like you understandwhy some people get off the
treadmill and maybe have thesefantasies.
Maybe I'm speaking for myself.
I'm just saying, god, I justwish I could take a deep breath
and go someplace where maybeit's not so too much with us,
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but I don't know what that wouldbe, to be honest, unless you
totally want to go off grid.
Yeah, let's start.
All right, so keep the soundhealing that.
We'll have to table that tolearn more about that for
another episode, I think.
But let's go back to sometraditionally massage therapy.
And so you started off as amassage therapist 20 years ago,
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or was it more concurrent?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
OK.
So what happened is like Ididn't, I didn't get into
massage in the traditional way,like I didn't graduate high
school and then go like now I'mgoing to school for massage
therapy.
That isn't what happened.
What happened was originally Iwas very interested in PT and
possibly sports, being a sportsdoctor, because the inspiration
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there was like I want to be thatperson that tells you know
someone that they can return totheir activity, whether they
were an elite athlete or just aweekend warrior.
I loved the thought of beinglike we can we can fix you and
you can return.
My 18 year old self, who was arecent graduate, was also um.
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I had spent my childhoodtraining as a dancer and taking
dance classes and I was prettyproficient and, on a whim, I
went to a Disney audition and,um, I ended up getting hired and
sent to Tokyo Disneyland andthe original thought there was
like okay, great, this is aninsane amount of money for an 18
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year old to make.
I'm going to take a gap yearand pay for college, like that
was my little plan, and that gapyear turned into a 16 year
dance career and early on inthat career I had suffered.
I had done a show that wasreally brutal on the body and I
thought this was it.
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I'm like I can't be a danceranymore because I can't move.
I'm on the verge of beingterribly injured and I was
prescribed massage therapy notlike massage therapy that you
get in a spa, but like atreatment which I had never had
before.
I was a young like 20 something.
Anyway, it changed my life.
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She saved my career.
This was a treatment.
It was intense, but it reallymade me believe in the work, and
then I made a point of makingsure that massage therapy was
part of my sort of preventativecare routine and I ended up
having a wonderful 16 yearcareer that was injury free.
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So that was awesome, you know,as a dancer, to have an injury
free career career.
So when 9-11 happened I had todo some soul searching,
obviously in the weeks andmonths that followed after the
attacks.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, you're living in Manhattan now.
You're no longer in Japan.
You're back, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I'm in Manhattan.
I had been living in Manhattanfor a good I don't know five,
six years at that point.
Anyway, some soul searching hadto happen after that.
How could you not?
And I decided well, you know,sports therapy or sports doctor
kind of was you know off myradar at that point, 16 years
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out of school, and I just waslike, well, what about massage
therapy?
You know, it's kind of in linewith PT and you know whatever.
So I searched it out and nextthing I knew I was at the
Swedish Institute in Manhattanand I was going to school full
time and, of course, me beingwho I am, I took the accelerated
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course.
So I graduated in 16 monthsinstead of 24 and started
working.
And then that's when my firstjob offered the KIDA sound
training.
And then we had the people from9-11 coming in, the first
responders and residents of thearea, and I felt like that is
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when I had come full circle,because I had been inspired by
these people to change careers.
And then here I was treatingthem.
And since then it's been kind ofstrange how massage therapy has
sort of evolved and grown withme and my life transitions.
Massage has too, like when Idecided that I was.
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You know, my husband and I weretalking about having kids.
I learned massage therapy forthe childbearing cycle and and
so now I know prenatal massage.
And then, when my kids werelittle, I became a certified
pediatric therapist, so I wastrained in how to teach or how
to work with children, and alsoa massage infant massage teacher
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.
So now I can teach parents howto incorporate massage into
their parenting routine.
And and now, you know, as myparents are aging and I'm having
more and more seniors come tomy door, I'm like, oh, I guess
my next thing is going to be,you know, appropriate care for
the aging population, becausethat's what's happening in my
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life right now.
So massage has given me awonderful tool that has been
able to evolve with my lifesimultaneously, and I really
think it's been a gift for bothme and the people I serve.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
I you know, I think most peoplehave had a massage at one point
or another, whether it's beenthrough those franchise places
or it's been, you know, more ofa private massage, but you know
you always see like on the menuokay, swedish Shiatsu, sports
massage, deep massage and I'malways like I don't know the
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difference between Swedish andshiatsu, and a sports massage
versus deep tissue massage.
That one sounds like it hurts.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It does.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So what type of massage do you typically offer?
So you went to the SwedishInstitute, so I'd imagine it's
not German.
Yeah, if there was one, I don'tknow.
But yeah, you get the point.
So yes.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Well, the Swedish Institute would offer two
different like tracks you couldtake like a Western track or an
Eastern track, and I took theWestern track, which was like
Swedish massage.
I took the Western track, whichwas like Swedish massage,
sports massage, manual lymphdrainage, things that are a
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little bit more medically basedand used in the medical field.
A lot of my work andinternships were dealing with,
maybe, people that werepost-surgery or with cancer, and
you know the contraindicationsand indications available to you
know patients dealing withcertain types of cancer.
So I was more medicallyWestern-based and thought-based.
But there was an Eastern routethat you could take which was
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more of the shiatsu and thetuina, like Thai massage, so
something that comes from moreof an Asian approach to massage
and massage therapy.
They're vastly different andthere's respect for both.
I personally at that time in mylife was a very science-based
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person.
I shouldn't say I was, I stillam, but it called to me more.
The other types of modalitiestend to be more energy-based,
which at that point in my life Ididn't have a real connection
with my energy and how it wouldyou know when working with
someone else.
It was not a skill that Ibelieved I possessed and that
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got honed over the years.
But the more Western approachjust sort of called to me, more
so, and that's where you knowyou've got trigger point therapy
.
So all that stuff that you saidsounds painful.
Yeah, that's in there themyofascial release, the deep
tissue.
But I would tell people who areseeking massage, for whatever
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reason, if you found a therapistthat you kind of like or
connect with or want to knowmore about, just reach out to
them.
They're happy to talk to youabout what they do, talk to you
about what they do.
I mean I can do these deeptissue, intense massages and get
in there and really work.
You know certain areas and I'mperfectly capable of giving a
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stress, relaxing you knowrelaxing massage that doesn't
hurt and is quite Zen and verylovely you know, compared to
like something you'd get in aspa like setting.
You know that that's perfectlyobtainable with just about any
massage therapist.
You know you just certainpeople are called to certain
things.
I don't really do a lot ofenergetics work, but I do I do.
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I'll do manual lift drainage ifyou're dealing with swelling
and inflammation andpost-surgery I've got that.
You've got repetitive stresssyndrome on anything I'll get in
there.
You've got sciatica, I'm goingin there.
So every therapist kind of justhas their specialties and I
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think most of my clients come tome because they do sort of
appreciate more deep tissue andpressure but they're very
upfront for me on a day wherethey're just like I.
I really just need to be takencare of today and I'll just be
like all right, today we'rebeing nice.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So I mean, yeah, you, you do say that you know
there's certain things like alot of therapists offer, but you
mentioned the prenatal massage.
I was a fitness trainer and Iwas certified in prenatal
fitness because, just like you,my wife was pregnant and I was,
like you know, I'm a personaltrainer.
I should learn how to you knowthe proper ways of training a
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pregnant woman who wants totrain and lift weights until
they're basically running to thehospital.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And that was a few of women that I so and then.
So that's something I think isa little unique.
And then this infant massageclass.
Now you're saying that's reallyto teach the parent how to have
this um, I guess connectionwith the newborn yeah, well, not
so much newborn, I think, um,it's uh.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, you definitely want to wait till the umbilicus
is is healed before we'reteaching parents how to do
massage, but um, it's more of aparenting skill than I want to
say.
Massage it's vastly different.
You know, we're not puttingbabies on a table and putting
lotions on them and you know,you know that's not what's
happening.
Infant massage is wonderfulbecause it is.
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It does give parents sort of anempowerment I shouldn't say
sort of.
It gives parents an empowermentand helping their baby with
certain things that maybe, as anew parent, you feel that you
have no control over, Especiallywith, you know, babies having
gas and whatever.
We've got some tummy massagesand exercises to do with the
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legs to help facilitate baby'scomfort.
Also, you know, dealing withteething issues and things to
help bring relief with that and,of course, promoting better
sleep patterns, because whatparent doesn't?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
want better sleep patterns on their child.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And and it's also mainly about the bonding,
because moms always seem to getthe bonding opportunities more
so than fathers.
Just right, sort of out ofdefault, you know.
And so when you teach an infantmassage class and you know a
lot of the things are almostgame-like and playful so it's a
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way for for dad to get thatone-on-one time with with an
infant.
And and it's about the skin,contact the skin on skin is a is
about bonding and andfacilitating that, and so it.
It's just a way for dads to getin there and and get that same
sort of feeling that moms getwhen they're having bonding time
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um.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So when are you going to offer a pet massage for?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
your dog.
It's come, it's come up.
Sometimes I'm like maybe Ishould check it out.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
All right, I mean I give my dog, you know, I'll say
give him a massage when I pethim.
I'm rubbing my hands long asfar and he rolls over and he's
got this look in his eye like ohmy God, this feels so good.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
They're the easiest clients for sure.
They're always satisfied.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah.
So before we go, excuse mycrackly voice allergy season
time.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm the same.
I'm super congested.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, now there's some people that believe
massage can help with thatright.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now there's some people thatbelieve a massage can help with
that right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I'm going to go through the whole suite of
everything you offer Signaturemassage, which we talked about,
key to sound therapy, prenatalmassage, infant massage, chair
massage, which I guess is moreof a quicker.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, that's easy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Especially if you, if you, especially, if you, just
if you just want your head, neckand shoulders done you know,
that's where you carry tensionand you don't have a lot of time
and you don't want to getundressed and just come and get
chair massage 20 minutes, youknow, half an hour.
It really will just kind ofopen up that it's.
It's perfect for head, neck andshoulders.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Before you get on a plane, or before or after, or
just had a long road trip.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Pediatric massage.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know, a lot of our kids are athletes, even at
12 years old.
Yeah, I see the benefit in that.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I am finding a lot of , I'm getting a lot more
requests for kid-related issues,and we do.
I mean, these kids are likeproficient athletes, like you
said, by 12, and they're they'resuffering from repetitive
stress issues and it's you know,they're a kid and it's sad to
say I have a lot of kids who arealso dealing with depression
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and anxiety, who really love the, the sound therapy or just
gentle massage.
It's, it's.
It's.
It's a growing industry with me, sadly.
I do love that.
I do see young athletes andkind of help them along.
I also see young musiciansbecause there's a lot of
repetitive stress, depending onwhat instrument you play.
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But again, these kids arebecoming proficient in skills.
You know, far earlier than kidsof my generation became
proficient in skills and it'sshowing in their bodies.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah.
So I could definitely see himthinking about my son who's a
pitcher.
He's 11 years old but complainssometimes about certain things
bothering them.
So.
And then, aside from the lymphdrainage, then there's assisted
stretching, which is obviously amore popular type of modality.
You see these stretch onlyfranchises opening up everywhere
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, whether it's myofascial orfascial I shouldn't say
myofascial, not self myofascial,but myofascial and just
stretching.
So increased flexibility is key, and you can't all do that by
yourself A lot of times.
Yoga is great, but somebody canopen up your hips or your
shoulders.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Oh yeah, it's nice to have someone who has leverage
to give you a hand.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So I have hand, as George Costanza said, speaking
of Seinfeld and Serenity now.
But you know, this is great.
I mean, carolyn, I'd love totalk more.
Let's just let people knowwhere they can find you.
You're in Old Tapan.
Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Well, I'm at 183 Old Tapan Road.
I'm on the second floor.
If you want to check out mywebsite, it is serenityfixcom.
You're welcome to email medirectly at carolyn at
serenityfix.
com, and I'm happy to answer anyquestions and the best way to
book is to email you.
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The best way to book is to emailme at first and then from there
I can usually give you a phonenumber If you want to call me.
I don't always answer my phonebecause I'm working, but it is
917-439-0189.
And I apologize if I don't pickup because very often I'm
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unable to.
My hands are full of lotion andI can't pick up the phone.
But if you email me and we setup any sort of consult or first
appointment, that's the easiestway to request an appointment
out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, and for those of you in the area, so her, her,
her spa, her office is upstairsin the little shopping center
on Old Japan Road where Boff'srestaurant is plenty of parking.
It's right before you get toDeWolf Road, if you're going
towards New York State, and justa few minutes from Harrington
Park and Rivervale as well, orfrom the border in Japan or
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Orangeburg, new York.
So very convenient, and I thinkI'm going to come down and
check out.
I want to try this soundtherapy.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, I'd love to see you, Doug.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, so we're going to have Chuck just say goodbye
and leave us with a few partingwords and you and I'll be right
back.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Great.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
A few parting words and you andI'll be right back Great.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Thank you.
Thank you for listening to theGood Neighbor Podcast.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey everybody, Welcome to another episode of
the Good Neighbor Podcastbrought to you by the Bergen
Neighbors Media Group.
Today we are joined by SerenityFix Wellness owner and founder,
Carolyn Ingledue.
Carolyn, welcome to the show,Thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, serenity Fix Wellness.
It sounds like you're going toSerenity Now.
(00:32):
Serenity Now is a line fromSeinfeld.
We could all use a littleSerenity in our lives.
Tell us a little bit about thecompany and when you started it
and where you're located.
Then we'll get into a bit aboutthe company and when you
started it and where you'relocated, and then we'll get into
a bit about your 20 years, plus20 years of being in the
massage therapist world.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, thank you so much.
Yeah, so Serenity Fix Wellnessis a massage clinic that offers
individualized care for all agesand a variety of issues.
I'm the sole provider there, sothat gives me the luxury of
working with my clientsone-on-one and giving that
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individualized attention.
My expertise pretty much liesin medically-based modalities.
Very often I am supportingpeople with injury and surgery
rehab.
I offer manual lymph drainageand pre and postnatal care for
mothers.
I'm also a certified Kita soundtherapist, which is different
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than the sound bowls.
I know when people think ofsound baths and sound healing
think of sound baths and soundhealing you think of the Tibetan
bowls.
The Kita sound therapy is veryone-on-one based.
The person receiving soundtherapy wears headphones and I
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administer a treatment on thespine with a cushion.
That's pretty much.
It vibrates.
So not only is the clienthearing the vibrational tones
through audible device, they'realso feeling the vibrational
tones along their spinal columnto kind of really usher that
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sympathetic, parasympatheticnervous system into into play so
that it can bring, bring thethe relax and restore hormones
and bring that person out of thefight or flight response that
we sent tend to spend a lot oftime in throughout our day
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I have no.
That's interesting because Ihave had a Tibetan bowl
therapist on my show and I'vebeen to her studio in Wyckoff
and you know I could see howthat is very soothing and
healing and just you know, andyou're, you take your shoes off,
you're kind of grounded, eventhough it's in a, in a building.
I can absolutely sense the, thetherapeutic benefits of sound
(03:04):
healing, but what you'redescribing obviously is a little
bit.
Obviously it's individual.
You have headphones on andthere's also, as you said,
something.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And the sound baths are awesome, like if you get a
chance to go to one.
It is a wonderful experienceand it's a group, collective
experience.
But Akita sound healing is alittle more.
You know, it's one-on-one andindividualized.
So if you are looking for thatsort of personal one-on-one, the
Kita sound healing kind of hasthe same effects as a sound bath
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without the collective group.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right, so let's talk a little bit more about that.
Why is sound and vibrationsmore about that?
Why is sound and vibrations?
Why is that, uh, therapeuticand and it and is it what you
know, tibetan?
Obviously it's from tibet,right, your therapy, I think, is
the key to this from japanjapan, yes, so what is it that
the asians have?
(03:58):
Have figured out that we have.
And and then, what is?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
what is it about sound, it's funny, funny because
sound is very primal and if youdo look back at many cultures
and history of cultures, it'sthe same as chanting, why
certain cultures will usechanting or different keening
and calls different keening andcalls that vibration in your
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body really does restore apattern of calmness and that
it's very primal and that is whyit's kind of having its moment.
Now You'll see sound therapycoming up all over the place.
These days it's kind oftrending.
It's funny because I've beendoing this for years.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And why is it trending?
Was it because of somecelebrity attached to it?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't really know.
I find there are different typesof sound machines coming out
that are very slick, and I thinkthe bowls offer a community
sort of approach as well and Ithink, as our lives become more
disconnected and more chaotic asfar as devices and information
(05:13):
and everything, I feel that thesound therapy is a very easy way
to reconnect with what's goingon in your body and really kind
of bringing you back to a stateof calm, a state of homeostasis,
and just kind of get thatnervous system, because our
nervous systems are just goingfull tilt.
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Sound therapy is a very easy,efficient, precise way to get
that nervous system back intorest and relax mode without a
lot of other things involved.
It's it's very easy and simpleand, in time, timely, like you
can easily do it in 10, 15minutes if you needed to.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I come to your studio , I go through a key to therapy
and then I go back home and Iturn on the news and I got to,
and then I have to.
You know, not me personally.
I'm, let's say, turn on thenews, and I got to, and then I
have to.
Uh, you know, not me personally, but let's say, turn on the
news.
I got to commute into the citythe next day.
I got to deal with this, thatand the other thing.
Yeah, all right, I felt good for15 minutes.
Now the world is too much withme and I'm back to where I was
being overwhelmed and stressed.
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You can build up kind of likegoing to the gym.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, you can definitely.
Here's what happens isoriginally when I was trained on
this.
I was trained on firstresponders from the 9-11 attacks
in New York City, so I learnedthis back in 2005 through Kita,
the actual designer of thismachine, and it was in an effort
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to offer complementary care toall of these people who were
suffering chronic healthconditions from being involved
with the 9-11 attacks.
And what they were seeing isthat people who were having
distorted sleep patterns andthen everything that goes with
distorted sleep patterns, withanxiety, depression, stress,
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post-traumatic stress, all ofthese things those were getting
improved by regular treatmentswith the sound therapy and it
really did sort of bring mywhole journey full circle.
The whole reason I went back toschool to become a massage
therapist is because I wasliving in New York City during
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the attacks.
And at the time I was aperformer and I kind of did some
soul searching and I was readyto change.
So I went to massage therapyschool and then my first job out
of massage therapy school I gettrained on this, this device
that actually helps the peoplethat were sort of my inspiration
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to change careers and andchange my path.
So I kind of have like a littlesoft spot for sound therapy and
its work.
But since then, you know, I'veused it on my children, I've
used it on myself.
It's a wonderful.
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It's a wonderful tool for sortof bringing that rest and relax
mode, that rest and repair modeinto your system.
And with better sleep you'regoing to have better immune
response.
You're going to have betterhealing response, better repair
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response for injury, anxiety,depression all of that gets
regulated just from having abetter sleep pattern.
I do have a client who getssound therapy often and she has
this device.
I don't know what it is, butthis device gives her a readout
on her ability to handle stress.
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She's got all the fancy things,anyway.
It's so funny because everytime she has sound therapy she
sends me the little readout thatsays you are like 78% ready to
handle stress where before?
she had been like 38% ready tohandle stress.
So she's so funny because shealways sends me a thing that's
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like I need to handle stressbetter and sound therapy always
gets her body ready to handlestress better and that's just
her everyday stress, like shedoesn't have a crazy job or you
know dealing with a stressful,chaotic job.
That's just everyday motherhoodstress stress.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, you know it's funny like we're dealing with
stress, right.
We've been dealing with it inall different forms.
It seems to be something thatwe feel is unique to our time,
right?
But I use the words, I use thephrase the world is too much
with us, and that was a poemwritten by William Wordsworth in
1802.
So he was writing in Englandabout the first industrial
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revolution and how the world wastoo much with us and how we
were kind of losing touch withourselves and nature and we were
overly focused on materialismand worldly pursuits.
And that was 1802.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's not a new theme, is it?
No, it's not a new theme.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's not a new theme, but I think we always feel like
the world is too much with usbecause there's so many
distractions and stimuli.
And the truth is and I use thisin a marketing sense we are
exposed to 5,000 to 10,000 admessages a day, a day.
Yeah, that's crazy.
So and I'm going to look thisup again because I've used this
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before how many advertisingmessages are we exposed to daily
?
The average person is estimatedto be exposed to between 4,000
and 10,000 advertising messagesdaily, so I mean how do you
disconnect from that?
Even if you want to disconnect.
So I mean, we can go on and onabout this.
Maybe we will at another date.
You know, there's so manydifferent things we do today
(11:12):
from a therapeutic standpoint interms of helping us deal with
stress in our lives, whetherit's sound therapy, massage
therapy, flotation therapy,Meditation.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I have meditation.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I had a business owner in Norwood who installs
backyard saunas and cold spongebaths, right.
So there's the.
You know there's a therapeuticscience behind.
You know what saunas and coldplunges can do for us.
So there's so many differentways that we're reaching as a
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people to.
You know, we build this, thistension.
It's like we build this ball oftension.
We spend our lives building it,deliberately building it right.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And then we have to go find ways to release that
tension, to build it back upagain, and then release it and
build it back up again.
It sounds like you understandwhy some people get off the
treadmill and maybe have thesefantasies.
Maybe I'm speaking for myself.
I'm just saying, god, I justwish I could take a deep breath
and go someplace where maybeit's not so too much with us,
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but I don't know what that wouldbe, to be honest, unless you
totally want to go off grid.
Yeah, let's start.
All right, so keep the soundhealing that.
We'll have to table that tolearn more about that for
another episode, I think.
But let's go back to sometraditionally massage therapy.
And so you started off as amassage therapist 20 years ago,
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or was it more concurrent?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
OK.
So what happened is like Ididn't, I didn't get into
massage in the traditional way,like I didn't graduate high
school and then go like now I'mgoing to school for massage
therapy.
That isn't what happened.
What happened was originally Iwas very interested in PT and
possibly sports, being a sportsdoctor, because the inspiration
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there was like I want to be thatperson that tells you know
someone that they can return totheir activity, whether they
were an elite athlete or just aweekend warrior.
I loved the thought of beinglike we can we can fix you and
you can return.
My 18 year old self, who was arecent graduate, was also um.
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I had spent my childhoodtraining as a dancer and taking
dance classes and I was prettyproficient and, on a whim, I
went to a Disney audition and,um, I ended up getting hired and
sent to Tokyo Disneyland andthe original thought there was
like okay, great, this is aninsane amount of money for an 18
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year old to make.
I'm going to take a gap yearand pay for college, like that
was my little plan, and that gapyear turned into a 16 year
dance career and early on inthat career I had suffered.
I had done a show that wasreally brutal on the body and I
thought this was it.
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I'm like I can't be a danceranymore because I can't move.
I'm on the verge of beingterribly injured and I was
prescribed massage therapy notlike massage therapy that you
get in a spa, but like atreatment which I had never had
before.
I was a young like 20 something.
Anyway, it changed my life.
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She saved my career.
This was a treatment.
It was intense, but it reallymade me believe in the work, and
then I made a point of makingsure that massage therapy was
part of my sort of preventativecare routine and I ended up
having a wonderful 16 yearcareer that was injury free.
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So that was awesome, you know,as a dancer, to have an injury
free career career.
So when 9-11 happened I had todo some soul searching,
obviously in the weeks andmonths that followed after the
attacks.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, you're living in Manhattan now.
You're no longer in Japan.
You're back, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I'm in Manhattan.
I had been living in Manhattanfor a good I don't know five,
six years at that point.
Anyway, some soul searching hadto happen after that.
How could you not?
And I decided well, you know,sports therapy or sports doctor
kind of was you know off myradar at that point, 16 years
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out of school, and I just waslike, well, what about massage
therapy?
You know, it's kind of in linewith PT and you know whatever.
So I searched it out and nextthing I knew I was at the
Swedish Institute in Manhattanand I was going to school full
time and, of course, me beingwho I am, I took the accelerated
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course.
So I graduated in 16 monthsinstead of 24 and started
working.
And then that's when my firstjob offered the KIDA sound
training.
And then we had the people from9-11 coming in, the first
responders and residents of thearea, and I felt like that is
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when I had come full circle,because I had been inspired by
these people to change careers.
And then here I was treatingthem.
And since then it's been kind ofstrange how massage therapy has
sort of evolved and grown withme and my life transitions.
Massage has too, like when Idecided that I was.
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You know, my husband and I weretalking about having kids.
I learned massage therapy forthe childbearing cycle and and
so now I know prenatal massage.
And then, when my kids werelittle, I became a certified
pediatric therapist, so I wastrained in how to teach or how
to work with children, and alsoa massage infant massage teacher
(17:17):
.
So now I can teach parents howto incorporate massage into
their parenting routine.
And and now, you know, as myparents are aging and I'm having
more and more seniors come tomy door, I'm like, oh, I guess
my next thing is going to be,you know, appropriate care for
the aging population, becausethat's what's happening in my
(17:37):
life right now.
So massage has given me awonderful tool that has been
able to evolve with my lifesimultaneously, and I really
think it's been a gift for bothme and the people I serve.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
I you know, I think most peoplehave had a massage at one point
or another, whether it's beenthrough those franchise places
or it's been, you know, more ofa private massage, but you know
you always see like on the menuokay, swedish Shiatsu, sports
massage, deep massage and I'malways like I don't know the
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difference between Swedish andshiatsu, and a sports massage
versus deep tissue massage.
That one sounds like it hurts.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It does.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So what type of massage do you typically offer?
So you went to the SwedishInstitute, so I'd imagine it's
not German.
Yeah, if there was one, I don'tknow.
But yeah, you get the point.
So yes.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Well, the Swedish Institute would offer two
different like tracks you couldtake like a Western track or an
Eastern track, and I took theWestern track, which was like
Swedish massage.
I took the Western track, whichwas like Swedish massage,
sports massage, manual lymphdrainage, things that are a
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little bit more medically basedand used in the medical field.
A lot of my work andinternships were dealing with,
maybe, people that werepost-surgery or with cancer, and
you know the contraindicationsand indications available to you
know patients dealing withcertain types of cancer.
So I was more medicallyWestern-based and thought-based.
But there was an Eastern routethat you could take which was
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more of the shiatsu and thetuina, like Thai massage, so
something that comes from moreof an Asian approach to massage
and massage therapy.
They're vastly different andthere's respect for both.
I personally at that time in mylife was a very science-based
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person.
I shouldn't say I was, I stillam, but it called to me more.
The other types of modalitiestend to be more energy-based,
which at that point in my life Ididn't have a real connection
with my energy and how it wouldyou know when working with
someone else.
It was not a skill that Ibelieved I possessed and that
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got honed over the years.
But the more Western approachjust sort of called to me, more
so, and that's where you knowyou've got trigger point therapy
.
So all that stuff that you saidsounds painful.
Yeah, that's in there themyofascial release, the deep
tissue.
But I would tell people who areseeking massage, for whatever
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reason, if you found a therapistthat you kind of like or
connect with or want to knowmore about, just reach out to
them.
They're happy to talk to youabout what they do, talk to you
about what they do.
I mean I can do these deeptissue, intense massages and get
in there and really work.
You know certain areas and I'mperfectly capable of giving a
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stress, relaxing you knowrelaxing massage that doesn't
hurt and is quite Zen and verylovely you know, compared to
like something you'd get in aspa like setting.
You know that that's perfectlyobtainable with just about any
massage therapist.
You know you just certainpeople are called to certain
things.
I don't really do a lot ofenergetics work, but I do I do.
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I'll do manual lift drainage ifyou're dealing with swelling
and inflammation andpost-surgery I've got that.
You've got repetitive stresssyndrome on anything I'll get in
there.
You've got sciatica, I'm goingin there.
So every therapist kind of justhas their specialties and I
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think most of my clients come tome because they do sort of
appreciate more deep tissue andpressure but they're very
upfront for me on a day wherethey're just like I.
I really just need to be takencare of today and I'll just be
like all right, today we'rebeing nice.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
So I mean, yeah, you, you do say that you know
there's certain things like alot of therapists offer, but you
mentioned the prenatal massage.
I was a fitness trainer and Iwas certified in prenatal
fitness because, just like you,my wife was pregnant and I was,
like you know, I'm a personaltrainer.
I should learn how to you knowthe proper ways of training a
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pregnant woman who wants totrain and lift weights until
they're basically running to thehospital.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And that was a few of women that I so and then.
So that's something I think isa little unique.
And then this infant massageclass.
Now you're saying that's reallyto teach the parent how to have
this um, I guess connectionwith the newborn yeah, well, not
so much newborn, I think, um,it's uh.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, you definitely want to wait till the umbilicus
is is healed before we'reteaching parents how to do
massage, but um, it's more of aparenting skill than I want to
say.
Massage it's vastly different.
You know, we're not puttingbabies on a table and putting
lotions on them and you know,you know that's not what's
happening.
Infant massage is wonderfulbecause it is.
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It does give parents sort of anempowerment I shouldn't say
sort of.
It gives parents an empowermentand helping their baby with
certain things that maybe, as anew parent, you feel that you
have no control over, Especiallywith, you know, babies having
gas and whatever.
We've got some tummy massagesand exercises to do with the
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legs to help facilitate baby'scomfort.
Also, you know, dealing withteething issues and things to
help bring relief with that and,of course, promoting better
sleep patterns, because whatparent doesn't?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
want better sleep patterns on their child.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And and it's also mainly about the bonding,
because moms always seem to getthe bonding opportunities more
so than fathers.
Just right, sort of out ofdefault, you know.
And so when you teach an infantmassage class and you know a
lot of the things are almostgame-like and playful so it's a
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way for for dad to get thatone-on-one time with with an
infant.
And and it's about the skin,contact the skin on skin is a is
about bonding and andfacilitating that, and so it.
It's just a way for dads to getin there and and get that same
sort of feeling that moms getwhen they're having bonding time
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um.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So when are you going to offer a pet massage for?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
your dog.
It's come, it's come up.
Sometimes I'm like maybe Ishould check it out.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
All right, I mean I give my dog, you know, I'll say
give him a massage when I pethim.
I'm rubbing my hands long asfar and he rolls over and he's
got this look in his eye like ohmy God, this feels so good.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
They're the easiest clients for sure.
They're always satisfied.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah.
So before we go, excuse mycrackly voice allergy season
time.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I'm the same.
I'm super congested.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, now there's some people that believe
massage can help with thatright.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now there's some people thatbelieve a massage can help with
that right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I'm going to go through the whole suite of
everything you offer Signaturemassage, which we talked about,
key to sound therapy, prenatalmassage, infant massage, chair
massage, which I guess is moreof a quicker.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, that's easy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Especially if you, if you, especially, if you, just
if you just want your head, neckand shoulders done you know,
that's where you carry tensionand you don't have a lot of time
and you don't want to getundressed and just come and get
chair massage 20 minutes, youknow, half an hour.
It really will just kind ofopen up that it's.
It's perfect for head, neck andshoulders.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Before you get on a plane, or before or after, or
just had a long road trip.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Pediatric massage.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
You know, a lot of our kids are athletes, even at
12 years old.
Yeah, I see the benefit in that.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I am finding a lot of , I'm getting a lot more
requests for kid-related issues,and we do.
I mean, these kids are likeproficient athletes, like you
said, by 12, and they're they'resuffering from repetitive
stress issues and it's you know,they're a kid and it's sad to
say I have a lot of kids who arealso dealing with depression
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and anxiety, who really love the, the sound therapy or just
gentle massage.
It's, it's.
It's.
It's a growing industry with me, sadly.
I do love that.
I do see young athletes andkind of help them along.
I also see young musiciansbecause there's a lot of
repetitive stress, depending onwhat instrument you play.
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But again, these kids arebecoming proficient in skills.
You know, far earlier than kidsof my generation became
proficient in skills and it'sshowing in their bodies.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah.
So I could definitely see himthinking about my son who's a
pitcher.
He's 11 years old but complainssometimes about certain things
bothering them.
So.
And then, aside from the lymphdrainage, then there's assisted
stretching, which is obviously amore popular type of modality.
You see these stretch onlyfranchises opening up everywhere
(27:38):
, whether it's myofascial orfascial I shouldn't say
myofascial, not self myofascial,but myofascial and just
stretching.
So increased flexibility is key, and you can't all do that by
yourself A lot of times.
Yoga is great, but somebody canopen up your hips or your
shoulders.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Oh yeah, it's nice to have someone who has leverage
to give you a hand.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So I have hand, as George Costanza said, speaking
of Seinfeld and Serenity now.
But you know, this is great.
I mean, carolyn, I'd love totalk more.
Let's just let people knowwhere they can find you.
You're in Old Tapan.
Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Well, I'm at 183 Old Tapan Road.
I'm on the second floor.
If you want to check out mywebsite, it is serenityfixcom.
You're welcome to email medirectly at carolyn at
serenityfix.
com, and I'm happy to answer anyquestions and the best way to
book is to email you.
(28:43):
The best way to book is to emailme at first and then from there
I can usually give you a phonenumber If you want to call me.
I don't always answer my phonebecause I'm working, but it is
917-439-0189.
And I apologize if I don't pickup because very often I'm
(29:06):
unable to.
My hands are full of lotion andI can't pick up the phone.
But if you email me and we setup any sort of consult or first
appointment, that's the easiestway to request an appointment
out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, and for those of you in the area, so her, her,
her spa, her office is upstairsin the little shopping center
on Old Japan Road where Boff'srestaurant is plenty of parking.
It's right before you get toDeWolf Road, if you're going
towards New York State, and justa few minutes from Harrington
Park and Rivervale as well, orfrom the border in Japan or
(29:47):
Orangeburg, new York.
So very convenient, and I thinkI'm going to come down and
check out.
I want to try this soundtherapy.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, I'd love to see you, Doug.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, so we're going to have Chuck just say goodbye
and leave us with a few partingwords and you and I'll be right
back.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Great.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
A few parting words and you andI'll be right back Great.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Thank you.
Thank you for listening to theGood Neighbor Podcast.
To nominate your favorite localbusinesses to be featured on
the show, go to gnpbergen.
com.
That's gnpbergen.
com, or call 201-298-8325.
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