June 6, 2023 • 44 mins
In our last episode of the first season of your favorite green living podcast, Tiff and Kat come clean about essential oils and whether they're worth all the hype -- or hate. Spoiler: it's complicated.
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What We Bought
Nothing, actually! We had essential oils already (mostly gifted).
What We Talked About:
- doTERRA Essential Oils
- Amazon (basic search for "essential oils")
- Dr. Bronner's Pure-Castile Lavender Soap
Sources: - National Library of Medicine - Essential Oils as Antimicrobial Agents – Myth or Real Alternative?
- National Institutes of Health - Essential Oils
- NLM - Prepubertal gynecomastia linked to lavender and tea tree oils
- ASPCA - The essentials of essential oils around pets
- Cleveland Clinic - Essential Oils 101
- Healthline - What Are Essential Oils?
- NLM - Aromatherapy for Health Care: An Overview of Systematic Reviews
- NLM - A Systematic Review of the Effect of Inhaled Essential Oils on Sleep
- NLM - An Overview of the Biological Effects of Some Mediterranean Essential Oils on Human Health
- The Kind Store - A Guide to Sustainable Essential Oils
- Sustainably Chic - Are Essential Oils Sustainable?
- Red List of Threatened Species
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(00:03):
Hi, Tiffany.
Hi, cat.
How you doing?
Pretty good. Good. How are you?
I'm good. I'm stoked fortonight. Because you know what
we're talking about. Oh,what happened?
I think my roommate just droppedsomething. He was so excited
about what we're talking about.
(00:26):
I'm I'm also spooked. Not atall.
No, not even though you might beafter we're done here.
stoked to see this is why I'mnot a cool person because I
don't know. Well, okay, I mightbe spooked.
Talking about essential oilstonight. Yeah, oh
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my goodness. Okay.
So, all right. So should we fillpeople in? Yes. Okay. We are.
Hello. Welcome to greening up myact. If you've never been here
before.
We what do we do? We, we reviewproducts that are marketed as
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eco friendly or sustainable, andwe debunk the ones that are full
of shit, and a green Hui greenHui, that's what we like to call
it. Because we are to marketingwriters and we understand
marketing fluff. That meansabsolutely nothing that people
and companies add in to makethemselves look better. So we're
trying to make sure that youknow that you're informed and
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that you don't have to do thehorrible. Actually, it's kind of
fun for us. Yeah. The researchthat other people don't have
time to do or don't have anyinterest in doing. Yeah, that's
what we're here doing. And we'vebeen shitting on essential oils
the entire season.
Yeah. So I'm well, I think wetook a turn. We took we did we
did, and DIY household cleaner.
All Purpose Cleaner. Yes, Ifound some interesting things
(02:02):
about its disinfectantproperties. And I was like, Wait
a second. Maybe we're wrongabout all of this supple?
Yeah. And we have eventhroughout the season
recommended some recipes thatuse essential oils.
So yeah, specifically, lemon wasa big one.
Lavender and thyme. Yeah. Huh.
So I'm going to take you throughessential oils. And I just want
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to say first of all, it'sfrickin complicated. Okay. I
knew it. But let me go throughquickly my list of so so many
sources. So the first one I hadwas your National Library of
Medicine article and essentialoils as anti microbial agents
(02:49):
myth, a real alternative whichyou sent to me. That was our
Spertus and all this. Then Ialso got an overview of
essential oils by the NIHNational Institutes of Health. A
study on pre pubertalgynecologists comm estia, and
lavender and tea tree oil. Soagain, from the National Library
of Medicine, of the essentialsof essential oils around pets
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from the ASPCA. Cleveland Clinicdid a essential oils one on one,
how do they work and how do youuse them? I also went to health
line for what are essentialoils, another NLM article on
aromatherapy, one on inhaledessential oils and sleep.
Another NLM article on thehistory of, of essential oils,
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and then a couple articles onsustainability. One was from the
kind store online.co.uk Anotherone is from sustainably chic.
And then I also referenced theRed List of Threatened Species
from IUCN. Oh, so that's a longlist of links that we will
provide to you. Oh, boy. Okay.
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So I just want to start withwhat are essential oils, right.
So according to the NationalInstitute of Health, NIH, they
are concentrated plant extractsthat retain the neutral smell
and flavor of their source.
Okay, it's the most basicthey're from plants, right?
Yeah. Health Line reports thatthey're made through
distillation, which couldinclude water or steam, which
forces the oil out of the plant,or they can use mechanical
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methods like cold pressing,because cold pressing doesn't
use heat, it kind of retainsmore of the properties kind of
like with juice, yeah. But it'sprobably a more expensive
process. Okay. But once thearomatic chemicals have been
extracted, they're combined witha carrier oil. And if they're
made through chemical processes,such as the not water or steam
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or mechanical methods, they'renot considered true essential
oils. So chemical extraction isa possibility, but those aren't
true essential oils. Okay. Sointeresting. Yeah. The history
of essential oils is long.
There. There are over 90 typesof essential oils again,
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according to Healthline, andaccording to the NIH, the
ancient Egyptians started usingaromatic oils as early as 4500
BCE. So, for perfumes, but alsocleaning in China, in India,
there are records of essentialoils being used in medicine
between 3000 2000 BCE, and theGreeks documented using them
between 504 100 BCE. So to bringus into the modern era chemists
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in the 18th and 19th centuriesstarted using active components
of medicinal plants. So thingsthat were probably already in
use from households. And that'sactually where we get caffeine,
quinine, morphine and atropine.
Fromthank God for that, right. I
need all those things, because Idon't really know what atropine
is, but I just like caffeine.
(05:49):
Yeah, yeah, caffeine is Borden.
But that's the history ofessential oils, because I didn't
really get it. That's a modernday. But it's mostly in the
modern era. It's, it's you findpeople who are into Chinese or
Eastern medicine tend to toutessential oils a lot more. Okay.
(06:09):
And that harkens back to thembeing used in medicine there,
you know, for the last 4000years. So
yeah, I mean, some people swearby them. Yes. And it always
confused me. Like, for example,not to go on a tangent, but I
went to a yoga class and yogacan be a little I love yoga, but
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it can be very annoying. Yeah.
Like the fact my friend andNisha, did I mention this
before? I never remember what Imentioned when she told me that
namaste means Hello. Yeah. Andyou say at the end of every yoga
anyway, that's beside the point.
So this one amazing, like, myfavorite yoga class ever came up
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and spread lavender essentialoil on my neck, like did a
little massage after everysession, and it was honestly
amazing and wonderful andlovely. But I also was like, am
I killing myself? Like, like, Idon't know about this stuff?
Yeah, sowhy not? Yeah, I've definitely
had yoga classes where theydefinitely use aromatherapy,
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especially at the end. Yes, Ithink that's probably, yeah,
it's that. Okay. So now we'llget into the supposed benefits
right? And that mostly centersaround there are aromatherapy
benefits. Okay, so they claimthey can boost mood, improve
sleep and reduce anxiety. Okay.
There are some essential oilsthat go even further they think
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that reduce nausea,inflammation, headaches, and
possibly pain. So that's theclaims are making. Most
essential oils are not meant tobe ingested. Right. So some
people I know that doTERRA sellslittle capsules that have like
peppermint or other essentialoils that you can throw in your
water. Oh, so here are somehealth lines List of 10 popular
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essential oils and their healthclaims. So peppermint is
supposed to be used to boostenergy and aid in digestion.
Lavender is supposed to relievestress. Sandalwood is used to
calm your nerves and help withfocus. Bergamot is used to
reduce stress and improve skinconditions like eczema. Rose is
supposed to improve your moodand reduce anxiety. Camera meal
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can supposedly improve mood andrelaxation. Lang Lang can be
used to treat headaches, nauseaand skin conditions. Tea tree is
used to fight infections andboost boost immunity. I know
it's used for acne a lot.
Jasmine is supposedly good withdepression, childbirth and your
libido. And lemon is used to aiddigestion, mood headaches and
more.
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Hmm. Well, it's interestingbecause a lot of this is like
tea also drives youbut a different camera Milty.
Yeah. So we kind of get intothat, like our essential oils
really the way to go. So okay,so the facts about the benefits.
This is the problem. There's nota lot of research, or at least
good research. Oh, no. So whenyou buy essential oils, you
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usually find they have somebenefits listed. But there's a
fine print that says this hasnot been confirmed by the FDA.
Okay, or modern research or youknow, this is not backed up by
research. One reason is becausethere's so many different types
of scents and combinations thatit makes it hard to do a blind
study on them. So PubMed saidthat a recent study of over 201
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different publications foundthat only 10 of those studies
that they were calling togetherhad rigorous enough methods to
be included in their research.
Oh, wow. And from those the teamconcluded that aromatherapy was
ineffective at treating anxiety,or at least the evidence was
insufficient. Hmm. So it's toohard to say. I mean, there's
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some evidence that dabbingpeppermint and ethanol,
peppermint and lavender orchamomile and sesame oil to the
temples can help reduce headachepain or migraines. But again,
the studies aren't particularlyrobust or high quality.
Okay, so it doesn't mean it'snot true but it definitely
doesn't mean it has ruined,right? Yeah. There are several
studies that showed thatessential oils can have anti
inflammatory effects. But thiswas only shown in test tubes or
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mice studies. There aren'treally human studies to back it
up. Interesting. There'scompelling evidence that maybe
it's true. But again, theyhaven't done the studies in
humans. Okay. But there are someproven effects. So according to
one study, smelling lavender oilcan apparently help with sleep
Chanela oil diluted. This isimportant, too. This one can
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repel mosquitoes for up to twohours or three if you combine it
with a vanillin.
Oh, I believe that. Yeah, Ibelieve that. Yeah. Because I
use that I don't use DEET I usethough, like natural, quote
unquote, stuff. And it actuallyworks really well. I use it in
Egypt of all places. And, youknow, those were like birds. And
it works. It was crazy.
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Yeah, I use the natural stuffhere too. Nice. There have been
studies showing that lavendertea tree oil and others can have
anti microbial properties,again, what you found. But
again, these are test tubestudies, there's not really
indication that ingesting orinhaling essential oils can
fight bacteria inside of thehuman body. So maybe good for
cleaning your surfaces, but notlike fighting a bacterial
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infection inside of your body.
Okay, so for the most part, mostessential oils can help make
things smell better. And ifyou're using them as a therapy
in conjunction with somethingelse, they probably won't do
much harm. Probably. Really,yes. And there is something to
be said about the placeboeffect. It's important to
understand that we don't reallyknow how the human brain does
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that. But you can even be toldthat somebody is giving you a
sugar pill, and it can workwell. So yeah, I'm not going to
yuck anyone's yum there. Ifessential oils, inhaling them or
using them, helps you feelbetter. Go for it. You know,
follow your doctor's advice,whoever your doctor is,
Godspeed. But there are issuesthey can cause. Okay, that's
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what I was wondering. I waslike, Are they actually safe? So
here's the biggest one biggestproblem is that concentrated
essential oils can be caustic.
Okay. So bring yourself you haveto dilute them, especially if
you ingest them or use them onyour skin. Mm hmm. So the
biggest issue causes usually arash but there's also asthma
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headaches and other allergicreactions and at least one the
incidence of death by anessential oil has been reported.
What Yeah, was that like anallergic reaction? I? Yeah. Or
overconsumption? Yeah. Oh, wow.
Okay. Another issue citrusessential oils like lemon oil.
If you use them on the skin,they can increase sunlights
effects which can lead tosunburn. Cinnamon and other high
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phenol. Essential oils can beharmful to skin, they can burn.
Again, tea tree oil has alsobeen said to be it can be
gnarly. Bernie. Yeah. Also, ifyou're pregnant or
breastfeeding, there are nostudies that show whether it's
okay to use essential oils.
Okay. So again, err on the sideof caution. But they say that
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about us and most drugs, nobodycan ethically test on pregnant
or breastfeeding women. Right?
That is just unethical. So youjust got to avoid things. A
really interesting thing thatthere is some evidence that and
this was lavender. Think it wasme say your lavender and tea
tree can cause breast growth inyoung boys. What if use them on
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the skin? They did not say theydid not study aromatherapy uses
but this was skin contact withessential oils. So that's a
hormone thing. Yeah. So the NIHsaid, Yes. Previous studies have
shown that lavender and tea treeoil may act as endocrine
disrupting chemicals cevinassociated with several health
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issues. EDCs are substances inthe environment, air, soil or
water, food sources, personalcare products and manufactured
products that interfere with thenormal function of your body's
endocrine system.
That's not That's not good.
Well, you said that's tea treeand what tea tree
and lavender were the ones thatthey studied. And then they went
through 93 essential oils. Andthere were eight chemicals
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appeared most often. Each of theeight chemicals. I mean, they
list what they are and what theyappear in. I won't go through
the list, but it's like amajority of essential oils
contain these eight chemicalsthat are probably the culprits
so Oh, but again that even ifthey're from different? Yes,
yeah.
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Again, not enough evidence. Idon't know. There's some
indication it's possibly true.
They couldn't study prepubescentbreast growth in young girls
because young girls grow breastsanyway. So there's so many
factors that go into it. So theydon't know if it's caused. But
if it if it disrupts theendocrine in, in boys, it
probably doesn't.
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I know. There's no reason why itwouldn't. Right. That's it
Really interesting. And also,yeah, that's quite scary.
Yeah. Because who knows whatelse it's doing? Right? Yeah,
exactly.
And I'm wondering the endocrinething, that's not just a kid
thing, like you can also have,as an adult, you can have
effects if you come into contactwith that type of, right? Just
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disrupter.
Right? Yeah. And just becausethey don't have a study out
there doesn't mean it doesn'thappen. So it's the same. That's
true of the placebo effect couldbe the no SIBO effect. You know,
like, is that a term? Yes, no,it's the no SIBO effect is when
you believe that somethingcauses you harm. So it does,
which is what they chalk up thescare against MSG to, because
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there's no real chemical reasonwhy anybody would have a
reaction to it. It's basicallyjust salt. But it was like a
trans Asian panic in the 90s.
Yeah, and the same way, a lot ofgluten issues that people have,
when they don't have celiac,they think could be chalked up
to no SIBO effect. And that thething is, you can't tell anyone,
they don't have a glutenintolerance, right. Because if
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they believe it's happening tothem, it is you will have a
physical reaction the same as ifit really was so it doesn't, it
doesn't really matter if youtest positive for a gluten
intolerance or an allergy. Ifyou believe that you have it,
you will have the effects. Sothe brain is amazing,
complicated and amazing. Yeah.
But I didn't mean to say that. Ithink in the absence of
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evidence, it's really hard tosay whether essential oils are
bad or good. You know, it's hardto say what their true benefits
are and what their true harmsare. So the hard thing about
essential oils is that peopleuse them so intimately, like I
used to spray lavender mixedwith water on my I mean, it was
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not constant error. Yeah, it wasunconscious. Whatever you Yeah,
diluted. And I would spray it onmy pillow at night. And it's
like, that's right there. Yeah,up in my grill.
Well, early. It can doapparently there is evidence
that the aromatherapy effectsagain, you're not ingesting it,
or putting it, you know, rubbingit on your skin. So the
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aromatherapy effects do havesome proven benefits for sleep.
Mm hmm. So it's kind of a babywith the bathwater issue, right?
Yeah, it's not. It's not like,oh, it's disrupting your
endocrine receptors. Like weonly have some evidence that it
does that to young boys who haddirect skin contact with
lavender and tea tree. Okay, so,yeah, well, the other issue is
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that not every essential oil isthe same. The three things you
have to look for in an essentialoil provider are purity,
quality, and then the reputationof the brand. And they're not
regulated by the FDA.
Okay, perfect. Soone way, if you are going to use
essential oils, you want to lookfor oils that only contain
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aromatic plant compounds, sothey don't have additives or
synthetics. In this case, youcan usually tell because they'll
list the full Latin name of theplant like lavender, Dulo,
fustian, officinalis, ratherthan say, just essential oils,
lavender, okay. Also, they needto be changed the least by their
extraction process. So that'swhy distillation and cold
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pressing are your best optionswhether than synthetic or
chemical processes.
Okay. I got mine at like a fancyhealth food store. So they're
probably okay. ButI mean, I mean, look, that's the
thing. Look up the reputation.
That's the thing like, yeah, Ishould probably look at it. I
guess. You hope so. But yeah,yeah. Interesting. Now, we have
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heard that essential oils andpets are not a good mix. So as
with human beings, pets whoingest essential oils,
especially concentrated form canget vomiting, diarrhea and
depression. According to theASPCA. They can also get
unsteady on their feet and havea low body temperature if you
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apply oil directly to them. Wow.
So again, a lot of people maybearen't rubbing essential oils on
their pets, but they may beusing aromatherapy systems.
Right. So I know a lot of peopleuse oils in a diffuser, you
know,right. Well, it's interesting
because I use it on my floors.
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Yeah, I use the peppermint stuffon my floors. I haven't noticed
any issues with my dog, butyeah, well, they say they don't
really know. Again, not really alot of studies in dogs about
aromatherapy, but overall,whether you're using them for
yourself, but keep it in a wellventilated area for less than 15
minutes at a time. Make surethey're diluted and keep your
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pet away from that room whileyou're doing it.
Okay. So it was like on thefloor and then she looks the
floor she's probably gonna beokay.
Yeah, especially if it'sdiluted. I don't think you're
using like a like you'reprobably using two or three
drops and yeah, Yeah, so yeah,the the real thing is dilute,
dilute, dilute, okay. Andessential oils do go a long way.
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That's one of their other Yeah,they do. Now, the other thing we
want of course we're gonna gointo because we're greening up
my act is what about theirecological impact? Now this is
where things get hairy. Oh God,so it takes a lot of any single
plant to make essential oilsfrom it. And my dog just walked
in. I was gonna say feel like Ihear. Hi, buddy. I'm gonna let
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him lay down. I'm gonna closethe door. One second. Yes, you
love essential oils. I neverheard anybody in this room.
So yes, I heard you talkingabout pets.
He's like, I must come in andmake my presence known. So
according to sustainably chic toproduce a single pound of
essential oil, you have to use10,000 pounds of rose petals.
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Hold on. Repeat that to producea single pound of essential oil.
16 ounces. Uh huh. You need10,000 pounds of rose petals.
1500 lemons. 250 pounds oflavender. 6000 pounds of Melissa
plants. 250 pounds of rosemaryleaves 50 pounds of eucalyptus
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leaves or 4 million Jasminebuds. What? Yeah, it's a lot.
4 million for those and how tocount those.
I know. Well. Yeah. So that'sall you got to think about.
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That's insane. I mean, given apound is a lot of essential oil
box. We're usually getting themabout a half ounce at a time.
Yeah.
But still, what is it? 16 ouncesin a pound?
Yeah, but that's not liquid. SoI don't really know. True when
the measurement Yeah. Oh, boy.
Okay. Yeah, so that's so keepthat in mind. Also, most of the
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processes that create essentialoils use steam distillation,
which means water usage andenergy and heating up the water.
A byproduct that isn't a badthing from this process is
called hydrosols. So those arebasically essential waters of
whatever scent you just made. Solike Rosewater, for instance, is
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made at the same time asessential oil. It's a byproduct
of the steam process. So thoseare less concentrated. And it's
usually happens if the plant isparticularly water soluble. I
don't think I've ever seenlavender water per se but
there's water and there'sthere's others. I was wondering.
Okay, yeah, so it's not I mean,it does. The byproduct is not
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toxic. Okay, necessarily. Butfarming is obviously one of the
biggest factors in thesustainability of essential
oils.
Yeah, because you need 4 millionrows, the other Jasmine beds
Yep,most producers have to use giant
farms and pesticides to getenough of the product or plant
to make essential oils. Andsometimes some essential oils
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are produced from resin whichmeans cutting down trees. Hmm.
Some growers grow their plantsin controlled environments like
greenhouses that or well morethan greenhouses, but they take
a lot of energy domaintemperatures and humidity levels
as well.
Did you look at you might getinto this, but did you look into
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Dr. Bronner's?
No, because we already talkedabout it. I was just gonna give
it a nod and be like they didtheir thing.
Okay. Yeah, I was just curiousbecause they said that their
farms and I'm not saying thatthey're like, good for the Earth
to turn, you know, probablyrainforest into farms, but they,
they claim that they made themall organic, which is pretty
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interesting. Yeah. But yeah, Imean, if you need a shitload of
land, then it might not be evenif you're making it organic. You
still have a big impact. Yeah,you can. And then there's also
overharvesting and threatenedspecies like Indian sandalwood,
a Gar Wood, rosewood,frankincense and myrrh. They're,
they're rare plants. So they'reusually wild harvested. So that
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can make them eitherprohibitively expensive or they
can be illegally manufactured,poached or traded, and that gets
into workers rights. So if theplants are farmed in a less
developed country, that meansthere's fewer regulations and
you get cheaper essential oils,but at the cost of someone's
life, basically. Wow. So theyrecommend you know, look for
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Fairtrade essential oils, andthey did get into organic
farming. So the organiccertification can mean that the
producer is working on being abetter more sustainable
producer. Again, some of theseplants are gathered in the wild,
which means they are never goingto get an organic designation.
There's not organic wildharvesting. Okay, but then means
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extra research determiningwhether the wild gathering teams
are managing their collection ina way that allows the resource
to regenerate. And right, as weall know, if you've ever gone
down the rabbit hole of tryingto research the sustainability
of like I try to sustain, like,look into doTERRA. And they have
so much marketing out there.
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Right 18 pages of Google andthen maybe one article. Yes,
yeah.
Now on the other end ofessential oils, is what we use
to contain them, you usually getthem in a glass bottle, but
because they're oil, they'reflammable. So you can't recycle
the glass bottles that come in,you can't rinse it out, because
it'll get in the water. And thenagain, plastic dispensers and
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bottles are just completelandfill fodder, because of
their nature and their possiblecaustic. You know, side. Some
essential oils are householdhazardous waste. Again, just
toss it, you know,so would you have to,
theoretically take it to thedump to the Household Hazardous
because we have like a, I thinkit's once a week household
hazardous waste pickup.
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Yeah, they do paint and stuff.
Yeah, apparently you should.
Because, again, aquatic life canbe negatively impacted by
essential oils that are dumpeddown the drain. And my dog just
decided he's tired of us.
Anyway. Once I love to hear himhere on the turtles
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I'll come back.
You're not welcome here. Okay.
Okay, so wait, sorry, I missedthe thing about aquatic life.
Just as you know, touching thedog with your lavender oil can
cause them problems. Essentialoils are bad for aquatic life.
Okay. So not a lot of researchon that again, but any oil,
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you're dumping down the drain isnot going to be great,
right? It's so funny. It's sofunny to me, because it's like
just such a hippie dippie thing.
And I get it because again,we've talked so much this season
about how if there's a fragrancein something, that's probably
the worst part of it, becausecompanies can get away with it.
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And so to have a fragrance thatcomes from a plant, thank God,
right, right. But then there'sall these other issues you have
to consider. Okay, so what to doto be more sustainable with your
essential oils. So sustainablySheikh was like we are you can
pry them out of my cold deadhands, which I get. So this
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website recommends that you buyless, obviously, you don't need
much. And it can go a long way.
Like you're only using two orthree jobs at a time, right? You
don't need a lot, right also,always dilute them dilute,
dilute dilute the last longer,but it also reduces the caustic
harm. And you know, all thethings that are possibly bad
about essential oils, in termsof skin contact or inhalation
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can probably be reduced bydiluting them. Okay, keep their
shelf lives in mind is can beanywhere from one to six years
and store them in a cool darkplace for the last longer again,
rancid essential oils are gross.
Yeah. Wow. They might only lastone year. Yeah. God, I have some
from not that old. But at leastthree years ago or four years
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ago.
Yeah. My current set ofessential oils somebody gave to
me because they were justhanding them out at South by
Southwest. Right. And that's sofunny. Cool. I'm using the
lavender. And that's it. Whichis another point that this
website made was don't buybundles. Don't buy the starter
set from doTERRA. Because you'reprobably not going to use all of
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them. Right? Buy the ones youneed.
Right? Yeah, there's the two tothree. I think I've three.
Peppermint, lavender and lemon.
Lemon is for cleaning. Yep. ButI think I've used probably 20
drops out of each of them.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way Ihave some and I'm like sometimes
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I'll put lavender oil on myhands. Like, you know, rubber
around for better something withmy lotion. But okay. Another
thing you should do is researchwhether the species of plant
you're buying is on the Red Listof Threatened Species. That was
the link I linked so likesandalwood, for instance.
Probably. Frankincense and Myrrhare the ones you want to avoid.
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They're threatened. Yeah. Wow. Iactually this is ignorant of me,
but I had no idea there was athreatened species list for
plants. Oh, yeah. It makessense.
Yeah. I mean, overharvesting isjust as bad for fish and plants.
Yeah. They also recommend tryingto find wild harvested varieties
that are well managed as opposedto farms. Again for the
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pesticides and just the wholeamount of land it takes and then
buy from transparent brands andavoid your grocery restore. So
you may have to pay more, justbe willing to front the money.
Again, just because you did buyit from your grocery store or
Amazon doesn't mean you know youbought a half ounce it's gonna
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last you for the next six years.
Don't throw it away just becauseof that, but right next time if
you are going to buy them, buythem from a transparent brand.
Recycle where you can, againhave to do some research on
which essential oils can youknow have a bottle that doesn't
get tainted, but also you canreuse bottles? Oh, really good.
Yeah. And then the lastrecommend Yeah, you can refill
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essential oil bottles. I thinkthere are some places that will,
will do interesting, but alsoyou can try hydrosols instead of
oils or co2 is which are whenthey extract essences from the
plant using carbon dioxide. Thatyields the most oil per pound.
Okay, but hydrosols again,rosewater or other. Those are
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easier to use already diluted.
Interesting. Okay. Yeah. And I'msaying what's expensive? Do they
sell the hydrosols of like,lavender? I haven't seen any, we
should look that up. I'm justcurious. Yeah. Because if you
could get that instead of oil,then
well, but you do kind of wantthe oil if you're okay. They do
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have it. There's organiclavender hydrosol available. You
can get it on Amazon, I probablywouldn't. But it's a facial
toner, antiseptic, insectrepellent, and skin soother.
Again, I doubt any of that hasbeen backed up by the FDA. But
yes, it it has all the sameproperties as essential oil. But
if you're using it, if you'rediluting it in a cleaning
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product, you probably want thisessential oil. Just because
you're gonna use two or threejobs for that, because the
hydrosol is not gonna be asconcentrated, right? It's just
already ready to use on yourface. Because it's already
downloaded. All that being said,I had to granola rate this
board. And given all of thosedetails. It's hard to read them,
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right? Yes. So do they work?
Depends on what you're usingthem for. You may be able to use
them in laundry and cleaningstuff to get some antimicrobial
effects and to add some goodsmells that aren't as toxic as
fragrance number 15.
And lemon, the lemon oneactually has cleaning power.
Yes.
Yes. We said Lemon, Lavender andthyme all appear to have some
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antimicrobial properties. Yeah.
There's not much evidence thatthey help with health except
maybe to sleep better or relieveheadaches. Okay, again, I'm not
going to yuck anyone's young,because I think placebos are
super important. And if youbelieve something will help you
it probably well, just becareful. Remember, dilute don't
ingest it, you know? Yeah. Butat the same time, they can be
caustic cause asthma and rashesand harm pets. They're not magic
(32:49):
bullets. And there's littleevidence they do much other than
smell nice. Just to be honest.
Doesn't mean it's not true.
There's just little evidence,right? The science just isn't
there. Yeah. So our next part ofour rating is are they cost
effective, and it depends onwhich type you use and what
you're using it for. So again,in cleaning, a few drops can go
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a long way. So a little bottlemay last for a year or more.
Right? Probably more doTERRAsells their lavender oil for $37
For half an ounce. There's someon Amazon for as little as $7
for a third of an ounce butagain, the cheaper the oil the
less likely it is to besustainably produced or poor
qualitysince doTERRA. And a good
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my grinder I tried to find outif they seem to be okay. But
again, they sell everything inbundles. Okay. And they do have
kind of a multi level marketingaspect too. Right? Totally. So,
yeah. Okay. Yeah, the internethas been confused by them, I'm
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sure.
Yes, there's a lot going onthere. Are they sustainable?
Okay, not really. It takes waytoo many plants to produce a
small amount of essential oil.
You can go with well, Harvard isharvested plants. But again,
there's so much research thathas to go into their
sustainability that it may notbe worth it. Essential oils
themselves are not good for theenvironment, just the
production. I'm just gonna saythat flat. Yeah. Yes. So given
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all of this, I'm going to readthem as sticky. So it's a two
out of five. Okay. They'rebetter than artificial
fragrances, especially forcleaning. But there are too many
detractors to make them trulycrunchy.
And right. And I agree withthat, because it's like, because
the benefits aren't proven.
Yeah, the fact that they havesuch a huge impact to me makes
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them seem not worth it.
Yeah. I mean, it's kind of ifyou're using them occasionally.
And not necessarily believingthat there a cure all for
everything. I mean, if if you'reonly buying one bottle every six
years, right, okay, that's me.
Yeah, me too. I've had Yeah. Youknow, I've never even bought
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essential oils always justgifted to me on some, okay? So
you're, you're not killinganyone probably, but it's just
like be aware of the possibilitythat you could harm your pet or,
you know, grow breasts and yourteenage son. Possibly. But
again, you know, use sparinglydilute them, right use them just
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reallythat those numbers that you gave
me for how much it takes, it'ssort of like feels a little bit
like almond milk to me becausepeople love their almond milk.
But I again, I'm not an experton this. I don't know
everything, but I know that I'veheard that the number of almonds
it takes to make almond milk isinsane. And it's also almonds
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aren't very sustainable. They'rehigh
water. Yeah. And a lot of theseplants are going to be high
water guzzlers. You know, roses.
There's right you can't grow adry rose. You know. That's
crazy. So I did want to mentionthat we did talk about Dr.
Bronner's having their own farmsfor producing essential oils for
their products. They don't sellthem. But you can use their
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lavender soap for a lot ofthings, which I think is a good
idea. Fair lavender. Yeah, yeah,they're lavender concentrated.
So, okay,the liquid one does it matter?
Because I don't think that's agood one bar. Yeah,
I use the bar in the shower. Butthe liquid soap is great for
again, I've been using it in mylaundry and dishwasher. Right.
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It's not dishwasher in my when Ihave to hand wash this.
Right? I use it on my dog. Oh,well. Okay. Yeah. Because they
actually I think on theirmarketing, they say that they
can be a dog wash. So obviously,so and again, you're you're
rinsing it off. Right?
And she didn't act okay. We'llsay was the peppermint one. She
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acted really weird after I gaveher a bad peppermints kind of
tingly. Yeah, and it could havejust been her mood or whatever.
But that's really interesting.
I'm gonna keep an eye on that.
But now I'm like, kind of scaredabout dogs. But
Well, again, dilute, dilutedilute, you're not rubbing a
handful of essential oildirectly on your pet. Number
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two, if you're not using it,you're not burning it in an in a
burner into the air. You know,they're not inhaling it. You're
using it, rinsing it off as asoap. And it's not in a
concentrated form. It's probablyand you're not doing it every
day, either.
Right? We give her a bath aboutonce every four months. My dad
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died when she rolls in poop.
Yep. So I always say we weren'ttotally wrong in our initial
assessment.
Okay, that actually not to soundsmug. But I've learned a
magical, you know, and that'skind of one of our things is
that when you do anything aboutsustainability, nothing's
magical. Yeah, there's alwayssomething. There's always an
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impact. Yeah, they aren'ttotally sustainable, that can be
bad for the environment. Theysmell nice. But the amount of
them that you can buy is kind ofastounding. There's so many
different levels. You know, youcan get so lost in the weeds
trying to buy essential oils, Iwould say, if you're not already
using them, maybe don't makethem don't don't make them part
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of your routine. Right.
Don't it's not worth it. Yeah.
Kind of like dishwasherdetergent from last week. Yes.
It's not.
I hate to hate to end the seasonon a low note. But yeah, we got
another low granola reading.
Wow.
But it's a high note for usbecause we are right. No,
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no. Well, it's complicated iswhat I came away with is, I
wouldn't, I wouldn't tellsomeone. If they're already
using essential oils, I'm notgonna be like you shouldn't use
those.
Right? Absolutely. I mean,that's sort of the point of this
podcast is we're not here todictate what other people should
do with their lives. We're justhere to present the facts and
just take a break from it whatyou will.
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One of the problems with this isthey're just our fax. They're
just not there. Yes.
That is really frustrating.
Yeah, it's frustrating, too,because it's like, I feel like
the marketing is verymisleading. for that. And again,
I don't really browses centraloils that much, but I feel like
the marketing plays up thepotential health benefits, the
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potential blah, blah, blah,whatever. And maybe it's not
actually accurate. Yeah. Or theydon't have proof of it anyway.
Yeah. So Well, on that note,no, I think of season one of
greening upwell, okay, so all that means
I'm excited. I'm really excitedfor next season. So yeah, we're
(39:42):
gonna be talking. Yeah, wehaven't quite figured everything
out yet. But I know that sobasically, we're going to be
taking like one month off, andwe have a date. When are we
coming back?
You expect me to know the stuffSup, man, let's. So we are
(40:03):
scheduled to return July 4. Oh,yeah,
that's right. Because it was thefourth of July. Yes. Yeah. So
we're just going to be off forone month. And we're going to be
back talking about waste.
Yeah. Which is huge. Itterrifyingly huge. And we're
definitely going to get all intorecycling. I think we have a
(40:24):
series of recycling episodesbecause it's such a huge topic,
but basically, yeah, all aboutrecycling all about landfills
and like, ways to reduce yourlandfill contributions. Yep.
Probably gonna be talking aboutcomposting. I think that Oh,
yeah.
(40:45):
We have got to do a big oldthing on composting. Yes. I'm
reallyexcited. I'm reading Nancy
actually has a tutorial in oneof her gardening books about
Nancy are friendly. Did wemention Nancy?
Have we mentioned this?
recently? I don't know if you'veheard of her. We always know our
den goddess. We didn't mentionher in this episode,
but I'm going toit's part of our contract that
(41:06):
we made with ourselves.
We get paid nothing for butanyway, she talks about. It's
Nancy birtwhistle. She won theGreat British Bake Off. She's
great. Follow on Instagram.
Anyway. Um, yeah, she talksabout composting. So it sounds
like really cool if you do it,right. And I'm really, really
scared of it. But I do want totry it,
(41:27):
maybe we can coerce my twinsister into talking about she's
been doing it for years. My dogloves her compost pile. On the
go visit. He's like, look at allthis stuff. Agony. And I'm like,
really in it. But yeah, sowe're just gonna be talking
about waste and how to reduceour waste. And, you know, take
it one step at a time, because Ifeel like all of this is
(41:48):
overwhelming. It's overwhelming.
And you can't do everything atonce. You can't make every life
change all at once, like you andI feel like I've both kind of
been on similar journeys, butit's been years. I mean,
just this, there were smallchanges that I was able to make
just this list from yourresearch in this podcast, like,
(42:09):
totally, absolutely. haven'tbought new laundry pods, you
know, right. I'm definitelygoing to switch over when I'm
done with my latest round ofdishwasher pods to just a
powder, you know? Yeah.
Yeah, same, same. I mean, soit's gonna be it's gonna be
really fun next season. Yeah.
(42:30):
Yeah. So yeah. Thank you. Forour listeners this whole season,
we really appreciate you. I'mjust gonna give the whole spiel
on everything you can do. Youcan email us at greening up my
act@gmail.com. If you have ideasfor next season, or things you
want to know about or questionsyou had about our show, or
comments you want to make abouthow wrong we were about
(42:51):
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would be great. Also, you canfollow us on Instagram, we are
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she does a great job.
I try. I try to make itentertaining. She does. She's
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It's great. Yeah, like us.
Download us. Let us know whatyou think about us. We we'd love
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I reviewed. I don't mind itanymore. Now knowing how
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you like if you like a podcast,I don't mind you leave a review.
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Just around fourth quarter, justaround the corner.
July 4 2023. If you're listeningto this after that,
congratulations. You haveanother season to listen to.
Yay. All right. Thanks,Stephanie. Okay, thank you.
Hi, Tiffany.
Hi, cat.
How you doing?
Pretty good. Good. How are you?
I'm good. I'm stoked fortonight. Because you know what
we're talking about. Oh,what happened?
I think my roommate just droppedsomething. He was so excited
about what we're talking about.
(00:26):
I'm I'm also spooked. Not atall.
No, not even though you might beafter we're done here.
stoked to see this is why I'mnot a cool person because I
don't know. Well, okay, I mightbe spooked.
Talking about essential oilstonight. Yeah, oh
(00:48):
my goodness. Okay.
So, all right. So should we fillpeople in? Yes. Okay. We are.
Hello. Welcome to greening up myact. If you've never been here
before.
We what do we do? We, we reviewproducts that are marketed as
(01:14):
eco friendly or sustainable, andwe debunk the ones that are full
of shit, and a green Hui greenHui, that's what we like to call
it. Because we are to marketingwriters and we understand
marketing fluff. That meansabsolutely nothing that people
and companies add in to makethemselves look better. So we're
trying to make sure that youknow that you're informed and
(01:37):
that you don't have to do thehorrible. Actually, it's kind of
fun for us. Yeah. The researchthat other people don't have
time to do or don't have anyinterest in doing. Yeah, that's
what we're here doing. And we'vebeen shitting on essential oils
the entire season.
Yeah. So I'm well, I think wetook a turn. We took we did we
did, and DIY household cleaner.
All Purpose Cleaner. Yes, Ifound some interesting things
(02:02):
about its disinfectantproperties. And I was like, Wait
a second. Maybe we're wrongabout all of this supple?
Yeah. And we have eventhroughout the season
recommended some recipes thatuse essential oils.
So yeah, specifically, lemon wasa big one.
Lavender and thyme. Yeah. Huh.
So I'm going to take you throughessential oils. And I just want
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to say first of all, it'sfrickin complicated. Okay. I
knew it. But let me go throughquickly my list of so so many
sources. So the first one I hadwas your National Library of
Medicine article and essentialoils as anti microbial agents
(02:49):
myth, a real alternative whichyou sent to me. That was our
Spertus and all this. Then Ialso got an overview of
essential oils by the NIHNational Institutes of Health. A
study on pre pubertalgynecologists comm estia, and
lavender and tea tree oil. Soagain, from the National Library
of Medicine, of the essentialsof essential oils around pets
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from the ASPCA. Cleveland Clinicdid a essential oils one on one,
how do they work and how do youuse them? I also went to health
line for what are essentialoils, another NLM article on
aromatherapy, one on inhaledessential oils and sleep.
Another NLM article on thehistory of, of essential oils,
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and then a couple articles onsustainability. One was from the
kind store online.co.uk Anotherone is from sustainably chic.
And then I also referenced theRed List of Threatened Species
from IUCN. Oh, so that's a longlist of links that we will
provide to you. Oh, boy. Okay.
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So I just want to start withwhat are essential oils, right.
So according to the NationalInstitute of Health, NIH, they
are concentrated plant extractsthat retain the neutral smell
and flavor of their source.
Okay, it's the most basicthey're from plants, right?
Yeah. Health Line reports thatthey're made through
distillation, which couldinclude water or steam, which
forces the oil out of the plant,or they can use mechanical
(04:19):
methods like cold pressing,because cold pressing doesn't
use heat, it kind of retainsmore of the properties kind of
like with juice, yeah. But it'sprobably a more expensive
process. Okay. But once thearomatic chemicals have been
extracted, they're combined witha carrier oil. And if they're
made through chemical processes,such as the not water or steam
(04:41):
or mechanical methods, they'renot considered true essential
oils. So chemical extraction isa possibility, but those aren't
true essential oils. Okay. Sointeresting. Yeah. The history
of essential oils is long.
There. There are over 90 typesof essential oils again,
(05:02):
according to Healthline, andaccording to the NIH, the
ancient Egyptians started usingaromatic oils as early as 4500
BCE. So, for perfumes, but alsocleaning in China, in India,
there are records of essentialoils being used in medicine
between 3000 2000 BCE, and theGreeks documented using them
between 504 100 BCE. So to bringus into the modern era chemists
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in the 18th and 19th centuriesstarted using active components
of medicinal plants. So thingsthat were probably already in
use from households. And that'sactually where we get caffeine,
quinine, morphine and atropine.
Fromthank God for that, right. I
need all those things, because Idon't really know what atropine
is, but I just like caffeine.
(05:49):
Yeah, yeah, caffeine is Borden.
But that's the history ofessential oils, because I didn't
really get it. That's a modernday. But it's mostly in the
modern era. It's, it's you findpeople who are into Chinese or
Eastern medicine tend to toutessential oils a lot more. Okay.
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And that harkens back to thembeing used in medicine there,
you know, for the last 4000years. So
yeah, I mean, some people swearby them. Yes. And it always
confused me. Like, for example,not to go on a tangent, but I
went to a yoga class and yogacan be a little I love yoga, but
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it can be very annoying. Yeah.
Like the fact my friend andNisha, did I mention this
before? I never remember what Imentioned when she told me that
namaste means Hello. Yeah. Andyou say at the end of every yoga
anyway, that's beside the point.
So this one amazing, like, myfavorite yoga class ever came up
(06:53):
and spread lavender essentialoil on my neck, like did a
little massage after everysession, and it was honestly
amazing and wonderful andlovely. But I also was like, am
I killing myself? Like, like, Idon't know about this stuff?
Yeah, sowhy not? Yeah, I've definitely
had yoga classes where theydefinitely use aromatherapy,
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especially at the end. Yes, Ithink that's probably, yeah,
it's that. Okay. So now we'llget into the supposed benefits
right? And that mostly centersaround there are aromatherapy
benefits. Okay, so they claimthey can boost mood, improve
sleep and reduce anxiety. Okay.
There are some essential oilsthat go even further they think
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that reduce nausea,inflammation, headaches, and
possibly pain. So that's theclaims are making. Most
essential oils are not meant tobe ingested. Right. So some
people I know that doTERRA sellslittle capsules that have like
peppermint or other essentialoils that you can throw in your
water. Oh, so here are somehealth lines List of 10 popular
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essential oils and their healthclaims. So peppermint is
supposed to be used to boostenergy and aid in digestion.
Lavender is supposed to relievestress. Sandalwood is used to
calm your nerves and help withfocus. Bergamot is used to
reduce stress and improve skinconditions like eczema. Rose is
supposed to improve your moodand reduce anxiety. Camera meal
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can supposedly improve mood andrelaxation. Lang Lang can be
used to treat headaches, nauseaand skin conditions. Tea tree is
used to fight infections andboost boost immunity. I know
it's used for acne a lot.
Jasmine is supposedly good withdepression, childbirth and your
libido. And lemon is used to aiddigestion, mood headaches and
more.
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Hmm. Well, it's interestingbecause a lot of this is like
tea also drives youbut a different camera Milty.
Yeah. So we kind of get intothat, like our essential oils
really the way to go. So okay,so the facts about the benefits.
This is the problem. There's nota lot of research, or at least
good research. Oh, no. So whenyou buy essential oils, you
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usually find they have somebenefits listed. But there's a
fine print that says this hasnot been confirmed by the FDA.
Okay, or modern research or youknow, this is not backed up by
research. One reason is becausethere's so many different types
of scents and combinations thatit makes it hard to do a blind
study on them. So PubMed saidthat a recent study of over 201
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different publications foundthat only 10 of those studies
that they were calling togetherhad rigorous enough methods to
be included in their research.
Oh, wow. And from those the teamconcluded that aromatherapy was
ineffective at treating anxiety,or at least the evidence was
insufficient. Hmm. So it's toohard to say. I mean, there's
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some evidence that dabbingpeppermint and ethanol,
peppermint and lavender orchamomile and sesame oil to the
temples can help reduce headachepain or migraines. But again,
the studies aren't particularlyrobust or high quality.
Okay, so it doesn't mean it'snot true but it definitely
doesn't mean it has ruined,right? Yeah. There are several
studies that showed thatessential oils can have anti
inflammatory effects. But thiswas only shown in test tubes or
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mice studies. There aren'treally human studies to back it
up. Interesting. There'scompelling evidence that maybe
it's true. But again, theyhaven't done the studies in
humans. Okay. But there are someproven effects. So according to
one study, smelling lavender oilcan apparently help with sleep
Chanela oil diluted. This isimportant, too. This one can
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repel mosquitoes for up to twohours or three if you combine it
with a vanillin.
Oh, I believe that. Yeah, Ibelieve that. Yeah. Because I
use that I don't use DEET I usethough, like natural, quote
unquote, stuff. And it actuallyworks really well. I use it in
Egypt of all places. And, youknow, those were like birds. And
it works. It was crazy.
(10:50):
Yeah, I use the natural stuffhere too. Nice. There have been
studies showing that lavendertea tree oil and others can have
anti microbial properties,again, what you found. But
again, these are test tubestudies, there's not really
indication that ingesting orinhaling essential oils can
fight bacteria inside of thehuman body. So maybe good for
cleaning your surfaces, but notlike fighting a bacterial
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infection inside of your body.
Okay, so for the most part, mostessential oils can help make
things smell better. And ifyou're using them as a therapy
in conjunction with somethingelse, they probably won't do
much harm. Probably. Really,yes. And there is something to
be said about the placeboeffect. It's important to
understand that we don't reallyknow how the human brain does
(11:35):
that. But you can even be toldthat somebody is giving you a
sugar pill, and it can workwell. So yeah, I'm not going to
yuck anyone's yum there. Ifessential oils, inhaling them or
using them, helps you feelbetter. Go for it. You know,
follow your doctor's advice,whoever your doctor is,
Godspeed. But there are issuesthey can cause. Okay, that's
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what I was wondering. I waslike, Are they actually safe? So
here's the biggest one biggestproblem is that concentrated
essential oils can be caustic.
Okay. So bring yourself you haveto dilute them, especially if
you ingest them or use them onyour skin. Mm hmm. So the
biggest issue causes usually arash but there's also asthma
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headaches and other allergicreactions and at least one the
incidence of death by anessential oil has been reported.
What Yeah, was that like anallergic reaction? I? Yeah. Or
overconsumption? Yeah. Oh, wow.
Okay. Another issue citrusessential oils like lemon oil.
If you use them on the skin,they can increase sunlights
effects which can lead tosunburn. Cinnamon and other high
(12:39):
phenol. Essential oils can beharmful to skin, they can burn.
Again, tea tree oil has alsobeen said to be it can be
gnarly. Bernie. Yeah. Also, ifyou're pregnant or
breastfeeding, there are nostudies that show whether it's
okay to use essential oils.
Okay. So again, err on the sideof caution. But they say that
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about us and most drugs, nobodycan ethically test on pregnant
or breastfeeding women. Right?
That is just unethical. So youjust got to avoid things. A
really interesting thing thatthere is some evidence that and
this was lavender. Think it wasme say your lavender and tea
tree can cause breast growth inyoung boys. What if use them on
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the skin? They did not say theydid not study aromatherapy uses
but this was skin contact withessential oils. So that's a
hormone thing. Yeah. So the NIHsaid, Yes. Previous studies have
shown that lavender and tea treeoil may act as endocrine
disrupting chemicals cevinassociated with several health
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issues. EDCs are substances inthe environment, air, soil or
water, food sources, personalcare products and manufactured
products that interfere with thenormal function of your body's
endocrine system.
That's not That's not good.
Well, you said that's tea treeand what tea tree
and lavender were the ones thatthey studied. And then they went
through 93 essential oils. Andthere were eight chemicals
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appeared most often. Each of theeight chemicals. I mean, they
list what they are and what theyappear in. I won't go through
the list, but it's like amajority of essential oils
contain these eight chemicalsthat are probably the culprits
so Oh, but again that even ifthey're from different? Yes,
yeah.
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Again, not enough evidence. Idon't know. There's some
indication it's possibly true.
They couldn't study prepubescentbreast growth in young girls
because young girls grow breastsanyway. So there's so many
factors that go into it. So theydon't know if it's caused. But
if it if it disrupts theendocrine in, in boys, it
probably doesn't.
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I know. There's no reason why itwouldn't. Right. That's it
Really interesting. And also,yeah, that's quite scary.
Yeah. Because who knows whatelse it's doing? Right? Yeah,
exactly.
And I'm wondering the endocrinething, that's not just a kid
thing, like you can also have,as an adult, you can have
effects if you come into contactwith that type of, right? Just
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disrupter.
Right? Yeah. And just becausethey don't have a study out
there doesn't mean it doesn'thappen. So it's the same. That's
true of the placebo effect couldbe the no SIBO effect. You know,
like, is that a term? Yes, no,it's the no SIBO effect is when
you believe that somethingcauses you harm. So it does,
which is what they chalk up thescare against MSG to, because
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there's no real chemical reasonwhy anybody would have a
reaction to it. It's basicallyjust salt. But it was like a
trans Asian panic in the 90s.
Yeah, and the same way, a lot ofgluten issues that people have,
when they don't have celiac,they think could be chalked up
to no SIBO effect. And that thething is, you can't tell anyone,
they don't have a glutenintolerance, right. Because if
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they believe it's happening tothem, it is you will have a
physical reaction the same as ifit really was so it doesn't, it
doesn't really matter if youtest positive for a gluten
intolerance or an allergy. Ifyou believe that you have it,
you will have the effects. Sothe brain is amazing,
complicated and amazing. Yeah.
But I didn't mean to say that. Ithink in the absence of
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evidence, it's really hard tosay whether essential oils are
bad or good. You know, it's hardto say what their true benefits
are and what their true harmsare. So the hard thing about
essential oils is that peopleuse them so intimately, like I
used to spray lavender mixedwith water on my I mean, it was
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not constant error. Yeah, it wasunconscious. Whatever you Yeah,
diluted. And I would spray it onmy pillow at night. And it's
like, that's right there. Yeah,up in my grill.
Well, early. It can doapparently there is evidence
that the aromatherapy effectsagain, you're not ingesting it,
or putting it, you know, rubbingit on your skin. So the
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aromatherapy effects do havesome proven benefits for sleep.
Mm hmm. So it's kind of a babywith the bathwater issue, right?
Yeah, it's not. It's not like,oh, it's disrupting your
endocrine receptors. Like weonly have some evidence that it
does that to young boys who haddirect skin contact with
lavender and tea tree. Okay, so,yeah, well, the other issue is
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that not every essential oil isthe same. The three things you
have to look for in an essentialoil provider are purity,
quality, and then the reputationof the brand. And they're not
regulated by the FDA.
Okay, perfect. Soone way, if you are going to use
essential oils, you want to lookfor oils that only contain
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aromatic plant compounds, sothey don't have additives or
synthetics. In this case, youcan usually tell because they'll
list the full Latin name of theplant like lavender, Dulo,
fustian, officinalis, ratherthan say, just essential oils,
lavender, okay. Also, they needto be changed the least by their
extraction process. So that'swhy distillation and cold
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pressing are your best optionswhether than synthetic or
chemical processes.
Okay. I got mine at like a fancyhealth food store. So they're
probably okay. ButI mean, I mean, look, that's the
thing. Look up the reputation.
That's the thing like, yeah, Ishould probably look at it. I
guess. You hope so. But yeah,yeah. Interesting. Now, we have
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heard that essential oils andpets are not a good mix. So as
with human beings, pets whoingest essential oils,
especially concentrated form canget vomiting, diarrhea and
depression. According to theASPCA. They can also get
unsteady on their feet and havea low body temperature if you
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apply oil directly to them. Wow.
So again, a lot of people maybearen't rubbing essential oils on
their pets, but they may beusing aromatherapy systems.
Right. So I know a lot of peopleuse oils in a diffuser, you
know,right. Well, it's interesting
because I use it on my floors.
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Yeah, I use the peppermint stuffon my floors. I haven't noticed
any issues with my dog, butyeah, well, they say they don't
really know. Again, not really alot of studies in dogs about
aromatherapy, but overall,whether you're using them for
yourself, but keep it in a wellventilated area for less than 15
minutes at a time. Make surethey're diluted and keep your
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pet away from that room whileyou're doing it.
Okay. So it was like on thefloor and then she looks the
floor she's probably gonna beokay.
Yeah, especially if it'sdiluted. I don't think you're
using like a like you'reprobably using two or three
drops and yeah, Yeah, so yeah,the the real thing is dilute,
dilute, dilute, okay. Andessential oils do go a long way.
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That's one of their other Yeah,they do. Now, the other thing we
want of course we're gonna gointo because we're greening up
my act is what about theirecological impact? Now this is
where things get hairy. Oh God,so it takes a lot of any single
plant to make essential oilsfrom it. And my dog just walked
in. I was gonna say feel like Ihear. Hi, buddy. I'm gonna let
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him lay down. I'm gonna closethe door. One second. Yes, you
love essential oils. I neverheard anybody in this room.
So yes, I heard you talkingabout pets.
He's like, I must come in andmake my presence known. So
according to sustainably chic toproduce a single pound of
essential oil, you have to use10,000 pounds of rose petals.
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Hold on. Repeat that to producea single pound of essential oil.
16 ounces. Uh huh. You need10,000 pounds of rose petals.
1500 lemons. 250 pounds oflavender. 6000 pounds of Melissa
plants. 250 pounds of rosemaryleaves 50 pounds of eucalyptus
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leaves or 4 million Jasminebuds. What? Yeah, it's a lot.
4 million for those and how tocount those.
I know. Well. Yeah. So that'sall you got to think about.
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That's insane. I mean, given apound is a lot of essential oil
box. We're usually getting themabout a half ounce at a time.
Yeah.
But still, what is it? 16 ouncesin a pound?
Yeah, but that's not liquid. SoI don't really know. True when
the measurement Yeah. Oh, boy.
Okay. Yeah, so that's so keepthat in mind. Also, most of the
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processes that create essentialoils use steam distillation,
which means water usage andenergy and heating up the water.
A byproduct that isn't a badthing from this process is
called hydrosols. So those arebasically essential waters of
whatever scent you just made. Solike Rosewater, for instance, is
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made at the same time asessential oil. It's a byproduct
of the steam process. So thoseare less concentrated. And it's
usually happens if the plant isparticularly water soluble. I
don't think I've ever seenlavender water per se but
there's water and there'sthere's others. I was wondering.
Okay, yeah, so it's not I mean,it does. The byproduct is not
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toxic. Okay, necessarily. Butfarming is obviously one of the
biggest factors in thesustainability of essential
oils.
Yeah, because you need 4 millionrows, the other Jasmine beds
Yep,most producers have to use giant
farms and pesticides to getenough of the product or plant
to make essential oils. Andsometimes some essential oils
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are produced from resin whichmeans cutting down trees. Hmm.
Some growers grow their plantsin controlled environments like
greenhouses that or well morethan greenhouses, but they take
a lot of energy domaintemperatures and humidity levels
as well.
Did you look at you might getinto this, but did you look into
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Dr. Bronner's?
No, because we already talkedabout it. I was just gonna give
it a nod and be like they didtheir thing.
Okay. Yeah, I was just curiousbecause they said that their
farms and I'm not saying thatthey're like, good for the Earth
to turn, you know, probablyrainforest into farms, but they,
they claim that they made themall organic, which is pretty
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interesting. Yeah. But yeah, Imean, if you need a shitload of
land, then it might not be evenif you're making it organic. You
still have a big impact. Yeah,you can. And then there's also
overharvesting and threatenedspecies like Indian sandalwood,
a Gar Wood, rosewood,frankincense and myrrh. They're,
they're rare plants. So they'reusually wild harvested. So that
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can make them eitherprohibitively expensive or they
can be illegally manufactured,poached or traded, and that gets
into workers rights. So if theplants are farmed in a less
developed country, that meansthere's fewer regulations and
you get cheaper essential oils,but at the cost of someone's
life, basically. Wow. So theyrecommend you know, look for
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Fairtrade essential oils, andthey did get into organic
farming. So the organiccertification can mean that the
producer is working on being abetter more sustainable
producer. Again, some of theseplants are gathered in the wild,
which means they are never goingto get an organic designation.
There's not organic wildharvesting. Okay, but then means
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extra research determiningwhether the wild gathering teams
are managing their collection ina way that allows the resource
to regenerate. And right, as weall know, if you've ever gone
down the rabbit hole of tryingto research the sustainability
of like I try to sustain, like,look into doTERRA. And they have
so much marketing out there.
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Right 18 pages of Google andthen maybe one article. Yes,
yeah.
Now on the other end ofessential oils, is what we use
to contain them, you usually getthem in a glass bottle, but
because they're oil, they'reflammable. So you can't recycle
the glass bottles that come in,you can't rinse it out, because
it'll get in the water. And thenagain, plastic dispensers and
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bottles are just completelandfill fodder, because of
their nature and their possiblecaustic. You know, side. Some
essential oils are householdhazardous waste. Again, just
toss it, you know,so would you have to,
theoretically take it to thedump to the Household Hazardous
because we have like a, I thinkit's once a week household
hazardous waste pickup.
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Yeah, they do paint and stuff.
Yeah, apparently you should.
Because, again, aquatic life canbe negatively impacted by
essential oils that are dumpeddown the drain. And my dog just
decided he's tired of us.
Anyway. Once I love to hear himhere on the turtles
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I'll come back.
You're not welcome here. Okay.
Okay, so wait, sorry, I missedthe thing about aquatic life.
Just as you know, touching thedog with your lavender oil can
cause them problems. Essentialoils are bad for aquatic life.
Okay. So not a lot of researchon that again, but any oil,
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you're dumping down the drain isnot going to be great,
right? It's so funny. It's sofunny to me, because it's like
just such a hippie dippie thing.
And I get it because again,we've talked so much this season
about how if there's a fragrancein something, that's probably
the worst part of it, becausecompanies can get away with it.
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And so to have a fragrance thatcomes from a plant, thank God,
right, right. But then there'sall these other issues you have
to consider. Okay, so what to doto be more sustainable with your
essential oils. So sustainablySheikh was like we are you can
pry them out of my cold deadhands, which I get. So this
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website recommends that you buyless, obviously, you don't need
much. And it can go a long way.
Like you're only using two orthree jobs at a time, right? You
don't need a lot, right also,always dilute them dilute,
dilute dilute the last longer,but it also reduces the caustic
harm. And you know, all thethings that are possibly bad
about essential oils, in termsof skin contact or inhalation
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can probably be reduced bydiluting them. Okay, keep their
shelf lives in mind is can beanywhere from one to six years
and store them in a cool darkplace for the last longer again,
rancid essential oils are gross.
Yeah. Wow. They might only lastone year. Yeah. God, I have some
from not that old. But at leastthree years ago or four years
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ago.
Yeah. My current set ofessential oils somebody gave to
me because they were justhanding them out at South by
Southwest. Right. And that's sofunny. Cool. I'm using the
lavender. And that's it. Whichis another point that this
website made was don't buybundles. Don't buy the starter
set from doTERRA. Because you'reprobably not going to use all of
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them. Right? Buy the ones youneed.
Right? Yeah, there's the two tothree. I think I've three.
Peppermint, lavender and lemon.
Lemon is for cleaning. Yep. ButI think I've used probably 20
drops out of each of them.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way Ihave some and I'm like sometimes
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I'll put lavender oil on myhands. Like, you know, rubber
around for better something withmy lotion. But okay. Another
thing you should do is researchwhether the species of plant
you're buying is on the Red Listof Threatened Species. That was
the link I linked so likesandalwood, for instance.
Probably. Frankincense and Myrrhare the ones you want to avoid.
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They're threatened. Yeah. Wow. Iactually this is ignorant of me,
but I had no idea there was athreatened species list for
plants. Oh, yeah. It makessense.
Yeah. I mean, overharvesting isjust as bad for fish and plants.
Yeah. They also recommend tryingto find wild harvested varieties
that are well managed as opposedto farms. Again for the
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pesticides and just the wholeamount of land it takes and then
buy from transparent brands andavoid your grocery restore. So
you may have to pay more, justbe willing to front the money.
Again, just because you did buyit from your grocery store or
Amazon doesn't mean you know youbought a half ounce it's gonna
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last you for the next six years.
Don't throw it away just becauseof that, but right next time if
you are going to buy them, buythem from a transparent brand.
Recycle where you can, againhave to do some research on
which essential oils can youknow have a bottle that doesn't
get tainted, but also you canreuse bottles? Oh, really good.
Yeah. And then the lastrecommend Yeah, you can refill
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essential oil bottles. I thinkthere are some places that will,
will do interesting, but alsoyou can try hydrosols instead of
oils or co2 is which are whenthey extract essences from the
plant using carbon dioxide. Thatyields the most oil per pound.
Okay, but hydrosols again,rosewater or other. Those are
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easier to use already diluted.
Interesting. Okay. Yeah. And I'msaying what's expensive? Do they
sell the hydrosols of like,lavender? I haven't seen any, we
should look that up. I'm justcurious. Yeah. Because if you
could get that instead of oil,then
well, but you do kind of wantthe oil if you're okay. They do
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have it. There's organiclavender hydrosol available. You
can get it on Amazon, I probablywouldn't. But it's a facial
toner, antiseptic, insectrepellent, and skin soother.
Again, I doubt any of that hasbeen backed up by the FDA. But
yes, it it has all the sameproperties as essential oil. But
if you're using it, if you'rediluting it in a cleaning
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product, you probably want thisessential oil. Just because
you're gonna use two or threejobs for that, because the
hydrosol is not gonna be asconcentrated, right? It's just
already ready to use on yourface. Because it's already
downloaded. All that being said,I had to granola rate this
board. And given all of thosedetails. It's hard to read them,
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right? Yes. So do they work?
Depends on what you're usingthem for. You may be able to use
them in laundry and cleaningstuff to get some antimicrobial
effects and to add some goodsmells that aren't as toxic as
fragrance number 15.
And lemon, the lemon oneactually has cleaning power.
Yes.
Yes. We said Lemon, Lavender andthyme all appear to have some
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antimicrobial properties. Yeah.
There's not much evidence thatthey help with health except
maybe to sleep better or relieveheadaches. Okay, again, I'm not
going to yuck anyone's young,because I think placebos are
super important. And if youbelieve something will help you
it probably well, just becareful. Remember, dilute don't
ingest it, you know? Yeah. Butat the same time, they can be
caustic cause asthma and rashesand harm pets. They're not magic
(32:49):
bullets. And there's littleevidence they do much other than
smell nice. Just to be honest.
Doesn't mean it's not true.
There's just little evidence,right? The science just isn't
there. Yeah. So our next part ofour rating is are they cost
effective, and it depends onwhich type you use and what
you're using it for. So again,in cleaning, a few drops can go
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a long way. So a little bottlemay last for a year or more.
Right? Probably more doTERRAsells their lavender oil for $37
For half an ounce. There's someon Amazon for as little as $7
for a third of an ounce butagain, the cheaper the oil the
less likely it is to besustainably produced or poor
qualitysince doTERRA. And a good
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my grinder I tried to find outif they seem to be okay. But
again, they sell everything inbundles. Okay. And they do have
kind of a multi level marketingaspect too. Right? Totally. So,
yeah. Okay. Yeah, the internethas been confused by them, I'm
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sure.
Yes, there's a lot going onthere. Are they sustainable?
Okay, not really. It takes waytoo many plants to produce a
small amount of essential oil.
You can go with well, Harvard isharvested plants. But again,
there's so much research thathas to go into their
sustainability that it may notbe worth it. Essential oils
themselves are not good for theenvironment, just the
production. I'm just gonna saythat flat. Yeah. Yes. So given
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all of this, I'm going to readthem as sticky. So it's a two
out of five. Okay. They'rebetter than artificial
fragrances, especially forcleaning. But there are too many
detractors to make them trulycrunchy.
And right. And I agree withthat, because it's like, because
the benefits aren't proven.
Yeah, the fact that they havesuch a huge impact to me makes
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them seem not worth it.
Yeah. I mean, it's kind of ifyou're using them occasionally.
And not necessarily believingthat there a cure all for
everything. I mean, if if you'reonly buying one bottle every six
years, right, okay, that's me.
Yeah, me too. I've had Yeah. Youknow, I've never even bought
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essential oils always justgifted to me on some, okay? So
you're, you're not killinganyone probably, but it's just
like be aware of the possibilitythat you could harm your pet or,
you know, grow breasts and yourteenage son. Possibly. But
again, you know, use sparinglydilute them, right use them just
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reallythat those numbers that you gave
me for how much it takes, it'ssort of like feels a little bit
like almond milk to me becausepeople love their almond milk.
But I again, I'm not an experton this. I don't know
everything, but I know that I'veheard that the number of almonds
it takes to make almond milk isinsane. And it's also almonds
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aren't very sustainable. They'rehigh
water. Yeah. And a lot of theseplants are going to be high
water guzzlers. You know, roses.
There's right you can't grow adry rose. You know. That's
crazy. So I did want to mentionthat we did talk about Dr.
Bronner's having their own farmsfor producing essential oils for
their products. They don't sellthem. But you can use their
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lavender soap for a lot ofthings, which I think is a good
idea. Fair lavender. Yeah, yeah,they're lavender concentrated.
So, okay,the liquid one does it matter?
Because I don't think that's agood one bar. Yeah,
I use the bar in the shower. Butthe liquid soap is great for
again, I've been using it in mylaundry and dishwasher. Right.
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It's not dishwasher in my when Ihave to hand wash this.
Right? I use it on my dog. Oh,well. Okay. Yeah. Because they
actually I think on theirmarketing, they say that they
can be a dog wash. So obviously,so and again, you're you're
rinsing it off. Right?
And she didn't act okay. We'llsay was the peppermint one. She
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acted really weird after I gaveher a bad peppermints kind of
tingly. Yeah, and it could havejust been her mood or whatever.
But that's really interesting.
I'm gonna keep an eye on that.
But now I'm like, kind of scaredabout dogs. But
Well, again, dilute, dilutedilute, you're not rubbing a
handful of essential oildirectly on your pet. Number
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two, if you're not using it,you're not burning it in an in a
burner into the air. You know,they're not inhaling it. You're
using it, rinsing it off as asoap. And it's not in a
concentrated form. It's probablyand you're not doing it every
day, either.
Right? We give her a bath aboutonce every four months. My dad
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died when she rolls in poop.
Yep. So I always say we weren'ttotally wrong in our initial
assessment.
Okay, that actually not to soundsmug. But I've learned a
magical, you know, and that'skind of one of our things is
that when you do anything aboutsustainability, nothing's
magical. Yeah, there's alwayssomething. There's always an
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impact. Yeah, they aren'ttotally sustainable, that can be
bad for the environment. Theysmell nice. But the amount of
them that you can buy is kind ofastounding. There's so many
different levels. You know, youcan get so lost in the weeds
trying to buy essential oils, Iwould say, if you're not already
using them, maybe don't makethem don't don't make them part
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of your routine. Right.
Don't it's not worth it. Yeah.
Kind of like dishwasherdetergent from last week. Yes.
It's not.
I hate to hate to end the seasonon a low note. But yeah, we got
another low granola reading.
Wow.
But it's a high note for usbecause we are right. No,
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no. Well, it's complicated iswhat I came away with is, I
wouldn't, I wouldn't tellsomeone. If they're already
using essential oils, I'm notgonna be like you shouldn't use
those.
Right? Absolutely. I mean,that's sort of the point of this
podcast is we're not here todictate what other people should
do with their lives. We're justhere to present the facts and
just take a break from it whatyou will.
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One of the problems with this isthey're just our fax. They're
just not there. Yes.
That is really frustrating.
Yeah, it's frustrating, too,because it's like, I feel like
the marketing is verymisleading. for that. And again,
I don't really browses centraloils that much, but I feel like
the marketing plays up thepotential health benefits, the
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potential blah, blah, blah,whatever. And maybe it's not
actually accurate. Yeah. Or theydon't have proof of it anyway.
Yeah. So Well, on that note,no, I think of season one of
greening upwell, okay, so all that means
I'm excited. I'm really excitedfor next season. So yeah, we're
(39:42):
gonna be talking. Yeah, wehaven't quite figured everything
out yet. But I know that sobasically, we're going to be
taking like one month off, andwe have a date. When are we
coming back?
You expect me to know the stuffSup, man, let's. So we are
(40:03):
scheduled to return July 4. Oh,yeah,
that's right. Because it was thefourth of July. Yes. Yeah. So
we're just going to be off forone month. And we're going to be
back talking about waste.
Yeah. Which is huge. Itterrifyingly huge. And we're
definitely going to get all intorecycling. I think we have a
(40:24):
series of recycling episodesbecause it's such a huge topic,
but basically, yeah, all aboutrecycling all about landfills
and like, ways to reduce yourlandfill contributions. Yep.
Probably gonna be talking aboutcomposting. I think that Oh,
yeah.
(40:45):
We have got to do a big oldthing on composting. Yes. I'm
reallyexcited. I'm reading Nancy
actually has a tutorial in oneof her gardening books about
Nancy are friendly. Did wemention Nancy?
Have we mentioned this?
recently? I don't know if you'veheard of her. We always know our
den goddess. We didn't mentionher in this episode,
but I'm going toit's part of our contract that
(41:06):
we made with ourselves.
We get paid nothing for butanyway, she talks about. It's
Nancy birtwhistle. She won theGreat British Bake Off. She's
great. Follow on Instagram.
Anyway. Um, yeah, she talksabout composting. So it sounds
like really cool if you do it,right. And I'm really, really
scared of it. But I do want totry it,
(41:27):
maybe we can coerce my twinsister into talking about she's
been doing it for years. My dogloves her compost pile. On the
go visit. He's like, look at allthis stuff. Agony. And I'm like,
really in it. But yeah, sowe're just gonna be talking
about waste and how to reduceour waste. And, you know, take
it one step at a time, because Ifeel like all of this is
(41:48):
overwhelming. It's overwhelming.
And you can't do everything atonce. You can't make every life
change all at once, like you andI feel like I've both kind of
been on similar journeys, butit's been years. I mean,
just this, there were smallchanges that I was able to make
just this list from yourresearch in this podcast, like,
(42:09):
totally, absolutely. haven'tbought new laundry pods, you
know, right. I'm definitelygoing to switch over when I'm
done with my latest round ofdishwasher pods to just a
powder, you know? Yeah.
Yeah, same, same. I mean, soit's gonna be it's gonna be
really fun next season. Yeah.
(42:30):
Yeah. So yeah. Thank you. Forour listeners this whole season,
we really appreciate you. I'mjust gonna give the whole spiel
on everything you can do. Youcan email us at greening up my
act@gmail.com. If you have ideasfor next season, or things you
want to know about or questionsyou had about our show, or
comments you want to make abouthow wrong we were about
(42:51):
essential oils. If you caneducate me on doTERRA, that
would be great. Also, you canfollow us on Instagram, we are
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she does a great job.
I try. I try to make itentertaining. She does. She's
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It's great. Yeah, like us.
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(43:13):
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I reviewed. I don't mind itanymore. Now knowing how
important it is. It isimportant. But it's also like if
you like if you like a podcast,I don't mind you leave a review.
Like, oh, yeah, I'll do that.
(43:34):
Okay, leave us a review. Ifyou'd like a call out to my twin
sister. Hey, can you leave us areview?
All my friends, please.
If you love me, just give itfive stars. But yeah, we
appreciate you. And yeah, we'dlove to hear feedback. And we
thank you so much for taking thetime out. I know listening to
your friends talk for two hourscan be really not fun all the
(43:57):
time. But I hope we made itenjoyable. And educational. I
think it's been. It's been themost fun anyone's ever had in
their lives, obviously. Okay,maybe that's exaggerating.
practices were wrong. That'sHey, tell me I'm wrong.
(44:17):
Comment if we're wrong. Yes. Allright. So yeah, thank you. We
will talk soon. We'll be back.
Just around fourth quarter, justaround the corner.
July 4 2023. If you're listeningto this after that,
congratulations. You haveanother season to listen to.
Yay. All right. Thanks,Stephanie. Okay, thank you.
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