August 21, 2023 • 63 mins
Join me, your host Brian, for a captivating journey into the curious domain of mediumship alongside my good friend, acclaimed psychic medium and scholarly attorney Mark Anthony. Prepare to have your preconceptions of the spirit world blown away as we dissect the scientific reality behind mediumship, exploring thermodynamics, neuroscience, and the enigma of quantum physics. We'll introduce you to the concept of an electromagnetic soul, the pure energy that bridges our connection to the spirit realm, and the answer to the age-old questions about existence beyond the material world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another
episode of Grief to Growth.
They have got with me my friendMark Anthony.
Mark is known as the psychicexplorer or the psychic lawyer.
He's a fourth generationpsychic medium who communicates
with spirits.
He's an Oxford educatedattorney, licensed to practice
law in Florida, Washington DCand before the United States
Supreme Court.
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He recently won the AMI awardfor best psychic medium.
He appears nationwide on TV andradio, including CBS as the
doctors Gaius TV Beyond Belief.
He co-hosts a live stream show,the Psychic in the Dock on the
transformation network.
He travels the mysticallocations to remote corners of
the world to examine ancientmysteries and supernatural
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phenomena.
He's a featured speaker atconferences, expos and
universities, which includeBrown, Columbia, Harvard and
Yale.
He's the author of threebestselling books the Afterlife
Frequency, as well as multipleawards, and ranked as one of the
top books about faith and wasup for a Pulitzer.
His other bestselling books areNever Letting Go and Evidence
of Eternity.
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He's also a VIP executivecontributor for Best Holistic
Life magazine.
As I said, Mark is also happensto be a friend of mine.
What I want to do today?
I want to talk with Mark aboutmediumship and how it works, why
you can have confidence in it,and I can't think of a better
person to talk to about anyquestions about mediumship.
Mark is one of the best mediums.
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I know he also.
I was talking with someoneearlier today and I said Mark
knows a little bit abouteverything, and that's actually
not true.
Mark knows a lot abouteverything.
So with that, I want to welcometo the show Mark Anthony.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Thank you, brian.
I always enjoy working with you, so it's an honor to be here on
your show.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, I appreciate having you back again and I want
to refer people If you haven'theard it.
I did another episode with Markearlier.
We talked about Mark's life andabout his book the Afterlife
Frequency and that kind of stuff.
But today I really want tofocus down on mediumship and
mechanics of mediumship and whypeople can have faith.
That is actually real, and Iwas telling Mark before we
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started recording I get thisquestion a lot, you know, why
can't mediums do certain things?
Why, how does it all work?
So I just want to throw thatopen to you, mark, and just get
your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, there's a lot to that question.
First off, let's back up a bitand let me explain the
scientific basis for mediumship.
Is that?
Would that be okay?
That'd be awesome.
Yes, in my book, the AfterlifeFrequency.
The subtitle of the book is thescientific proof of spiritual
contact and how that awarenesswill change your life.
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And the reason that I wrote thisbook, brian, is because
throughout my life I mean, Igrew up this way.
My dad was a NASA engineer, mymother was a commercial artist.
It runs for generations in myfamily.
You know we weren't runningaround with turbines, waving
Ouija boards and flinginggranola at people.
Yeah, we were a all Americansort of family next door, except
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that, you know, my parents andI could see dead people.
My brother and sister canforesee future events.
So we were a bit different inthe neighborhood.
But a lot of people doubt theexistence of mediumship.
And the reason that I wrote theAfterlife Frequency and the
reason that we're here today isthat all the different forms of
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spirit communication, whether itis mediumship, visitations
where you may have a dream or aloved one, comes to you and this
applies to people who aren'tmediums whether it's a near
death experience, which havebeen reported for thousands of
years and certainly studied veryheavily in the last half
century, shared deathexperiences, deathbed visions
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out of body experiences.
Unfortunately, they've all beenlooked at as like a salad bar.
They're all differentphenomenon but they're not.
And I started seeing through mywork as a medium, through my
work as an attorney whospecialized in head injury,
neurological and brain braininjuries, and then when I
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started studying with quantumphysics, it all tied together,
all of those different forms ofspirit contact, what I call
interdimensional communication,brian.
They're all based on the samesound scientific principles.
It's not magic, it's not hocuspocus.
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Everything can be explainedthrough quantum physics.
And every great belief system,since the sages of ancient India
, through Zoroaster, moses,buddha, jesus, muhammad, lao zoo
, native American spirituality,the animistic religions of
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Africa and the Caribbean, theyall teach a universal constant
that the soul, the spirit, thewho and what we are pre exist.
Our body comes into the bodyand then moves on after the body
dies.
And we know that everything ismade of molecules, which in turn
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are composed of atoms, whichare made of electrons, protons
and neutrons, which are made ofa smaller particle of pure
electromagnetic energy known asa quantum, ergo the term quantum
physics.
We know from the laws ofthermodynamics, in physics,
energy is neither created nordestroyed, only transferred from
one form to another.
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So neuroscience is the study ofthe human brain, and
neuroscientists have discoveredthat the brain only accounts for
2% of the body's weight, yetit's the most complex electrical
system in the body andtherefore it uses over 20% of
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the body's electrical energy.
The heart uses the most, whichmakes sense because it's a pump
and it's going all the time.
And we want to be going all thetime because when it doesn't,
you'll be talking to the people.
That I do, but.
But I spent years examiningthis and studying the different
forms of spirit contact, neardeath experiences, share death
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experiences, the visitations ofmediumship, and by combining
physics and faith, I developedthe term the electromagnetic
soul, the EMS, to define in 21stcentury terms what we really
are, which is pure consciousness, that is, eternal
electromagnetic energy.
Now, I know that that's alengthy explanation and, of
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course, when you ask a lawyerwhat time it is, you can't
really tell how to build a clock.
But before we get into to thebasics of mediumship, it's it's
important for people tounderstand that the other side
dimension is on a highervibrational frequency than our
material world dimension.
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I call the zone in between.
Imagine, if you will, a zone inbetween.
I call it the NDE zone, not thetwilight zone, but the NDE zone
.
And why is that?
That is because all the formsof communication with the other
side occur when the afterlifefrequency and our material world
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vibrational frequencies alignand they intersect.
This is also why, when peoplesay, well, why doesn't the
spirit just tell you this?
Why don't they just give youlottery numbers?
Why don't they just find theexact location of the body?
Why don't they?
Why don't they?
Why don't they?
If I had a dollar for every,why don't they question?
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I'd be doing this telecast frommy beach house in Maui right
now.
But leaving all joking aside,spirit communication, mediumship
, involves communication fromanother dimension and this, once
again, this is not some fairytale.
Over the past century, startingwith Albert Einstein, all the
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way up through Max Tegmark andMichio Kaku, stephen Hawking,
string theory proposes thatthere's not just a universe but
there's multiverses, and withinthose universes there's
different dimensions, and sowhen a spirit is communicating
with me, they're a group ofelectromagnetic souls.
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Think of our soul, ourelectromagnetic soul, brian, as
a drop of water.
And when we die, that drop ofwater leaves the brain.
See, the brain doesn't createconsciousness, it hosts it, much
the way a computer hard drivehosts the programs on it.
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So when the hard drive dies,when our brain dies, the program
gets uploaded to the spiritualquantum field, so it plunges
into this eternal sea of souls,which I also refer to as the
collective consciousness.
And so then thatelectromagnetic soul is
interlinked with other souls,linked to other souls, and the
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access to information that theyhave is essentially infinite.
So when I am communicating, oranybody is communicating, with a
spirit, what's happening?
There is, the spirit isemitting waves of
electromagnetic frequency thatalign with the brain wave
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frequency inside my head, andthen the electronic or
electrical impulse from thespirit gets converted into
recognizable concepts based onmy memories, feelings and
cultural associations.
And so, yes, they are justtelling us, but since they don't
speak a human language, they'respeaking electromagnetic
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frequency.
It can be subject tointerpretation.
Ergo, that's why they justdon't pop in and hand me six
winning powerball numbers, notthat I haven't asked, but yeah.
But so I hope that in partanswers your question.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, it does, because, as you said and you
just explained, I think betterthan anybody I know, because
mediumship we think of.
Sometimes people thinkmediumship is like Woo-Woo's
magic, right.
And then we have science, onthe other hand, and the two
never shall meet.
And I love the and it's funnybecause I've been on my own
exploration.
I just read Tom Campbell'stheory of everything.
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I don't know if you ever readthat series of books, but he's a
physicist.
I also went to the MonroeInstitute, so he's at all his
out-of-body experiences and hebrings the two together.
So we in the West, I feel likewe need a rational explanation,
even though, as you said, peoplefor thousands, for millennia,
have understood this.
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Just, it works.
So I appreciate thatexplanation and that does answer
the question as to why.
Why don't they just tell youthings?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You know, I saw a really great movie two nights
ago.
It was on MGM classics orwhatever it was called the Gift
and Kate Blanchett.
It takes place in this smalltown in Georgia and her husband
has died so and she's a psychicand she does readings for people
and of course the townpromiscuous woman I'm being
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politically correct here ends upgetting murdered and of course
she was married, or proposed tobe married, to Greg Kinnear.
And there's this redneck who'smarried to Hilary Swank, who's
Canal Reeves, and Canal Reevesdoesn't like his wife, hilary
Swank, consulting with this here, devil worshiper.
And all this and, long storyshort, it's Katie Holmes who's
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the promiscuous woman.
She disappears and nobody canfind her.
So Greg Kinnear and KatieHolmes' father come to her with
the police and they're like well, I don't believe in this.
Anyway.
Long story short, she gets avision and she describes seeing
a beaten batter, katie Holmes,covered in chains, hovering
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around a tree above this pond,which of course belongs to Canal
Reeves, the redneck who hatesher and keeps beating on her and
threatening her kids to stayaway from her, and they dredge
the pond and they find her.
Long story short, canal Reevesis on trial.
Now, hey, blanchett never saidCanal Reeves did it.
She just said that she saw thisvision and that's where it was.
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And the scene where the defenseattorney is cross-examining her
about her ability and rippingher apart.
Oh, you had a vision.
Oh, you had this and you makemoney off this, don't you?
I mean, it was so realistic andI'm an attorney and I've seen
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how attorneys and I've had to inmy career I'm focused on my
spiritual work now go aftersomebody, and so I thought that
the movie was an extremelyaccurate depiction of how people
treat psychics, how theskeptics are very vicious
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towards us.
I'm not going to tell you howit ends, because it's a really
great twist and I reallyrecommend.
It's called the gift, starringKate Blanchett, but that's the
whole thing about psychicintuition.
I have consulted with the policeon a number of occasions.
When I was on the CBS TV showthe Doctors, they talked to me
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because I actually did a readingfor the man who found Kaley
Anthony's body, and a few yearsago that was a very high profile
case.
Mother Casey Anthony went ontrial for supposedly killing her
little girl, which she did, butthe state attorney's office in
Florida, they overcharged herand they basically botched the
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case and so she got off withjust a couple of misdemeanors
instead of the murder charge.
But what happened there is Iwas doing a public event in
Florida and I started describinga little girl and I said I feel
like there's mesh, like sometype of mesh on her face, and I
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feel water and I feel adeterioration.
And I started describing andthis guy stands up crying and he
goes.
I found Kaley Anthony's bodyand she came through to thank
him for this, and then I'llspare all the details.
But the information that I gotwas accurate enough that he was
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able to verify.
And now, how can I makesomething like that up to a
crowd of people?
And what was interesting is,you know, when I was doing the
reading for him, I said why doesthis guy look familiar?
And then when he said I'm theguy who found Kaley Anthony's
body, I remember I saw him on TVlike the year before and it was
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very, very startling.
But the reason that psychics arenot put on the witness stand in
trial is because of the hearsayrule.
Now, hearsay is is an out ofcourt statement offered to prove
the truth of the matterasserted.
So in other words, this pieceof paper would be hearsay unless
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it meets one of the exceptionsand or if the hearsay statement
can be subjected to crossexamination.
Now, clearly, we can't put aspirit on the witness stand and
cross examine the spirit.
Then people will ask well, howcould psychic intuition possibly
be useful to the police?
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Well, maybe they can't put meon the witness stand, but what I
can do is give the policeinformation that will point them
in the right direction, towhere then they can find
evidence which is not hearsayand which is admissible.
And I've been able to do thaton a number of occasions
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throughout my life.
And I know this isn't exactlywhat you were asking, but I
think that this is a good followup to why don't they just tell
us?
Well, they do tell us, but I mayget a glimpse of where it
happened, Like in the movie thegift.
She saw the body hovering abovethe pond where the body died.
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You know, when I saw the body ofKaylee Anthony, I could feel
the dirt, I could feel the, Icould smell the water, and she
was found in in a wetland areawhere the water had gone down a
bit and a truck driver pulledover to relieve himself and he
started smelling something andthen he walked over to where it
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was.
He thought it was a dead animaland he sees the body of this
little girl there, all ducttaped off up, which was the mesh
that I felt on her face.
So when you, when you find theevidence and then you look at
what the information wastransmitted from the spirit
through me to the recipient,then it starts to make sense.
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And so a lot of times let's sayI'm doing a reading on you and
I'm giving you details like this.
Initially they're not going tomake sense, but they will or can
at some point, once it leadsyou to where the body is or once
you have a period of time toreflect on it and then figure
out what it means.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, and thank you for explaining that because I
think again.
People think of when a mediumis communicating with the spirit
.
It's like the spirit walks in,sits down in the chair, the
medium looks over, looks, seesthe sees the person and they
speak to them in English andthey don't understand the
process and I know it'sdifferent for every medium.
To some people have differentclairs and you might want to go
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into that as well.
But people need to understandthere is a process of
interpretation that goes withwith every medium that I've ever
known.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
This.
This is true.
See, it's not Alexa or Siri.
Well, just tell me this.
You know some people come to methey have a whole list of
questions, are going to hold onhold on.
Spirit communication is not avisit to Santa Claus.
We hop on his lap with the listand start saying I want this, I
want this, I want this.
What I do is I open up tofrequency Once again.
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Everything is frequency andthere's five main brain wave
frequencies.
There's gamma, which is likethat's when you're on final
jeopardy and your brain is justcranking to full throttle.
Then there's beta.
That's the state, brian, youand I are in right now.
See activities for daily living.
Then when we begin to relax, wego into alpha.
Alpha is great and that's whereyou know you start to drift off
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your daydream.
That's why a lot of mediums saythat when we're engaging in
spirit communication it feelslike you're in a daydream
because brain wave frequencywise we are, because you're
going from the alpha to thetheta state, which is deep,
sleeper dream.
And then the fifth main brainwave frequency is Delta.
Very little activity, brainwave wise going on in Delta, but
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Delta is important becausethat's where you heal, you fight
infections, so, so it serves apurpose.
But on the alpha theta borderyou get to a lower megahertz.
You know there's people alwayssaying, oh, we must raise our
vibration.
Well, that's a term of art.
Yes, we must raise ourvibration, our aspirations, our
inspiration to a higher level.
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But when it comes to spiritcommunication, we're quieting
the mind and you're gettingbetween I think it's between
three and like 12 megahertz,which would be a very deep bass
sound.
So a spirit can see that and he, she or group of them will
lower their frequency and alignwith the brain wave frequency of
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the recipient at the alphatheta border.
This is why the most common formof spirit communication occurs
in dreams, because when you'rein that deep dream state is
ideal for spirit communication.
Spirit spot that they zoom in,they align and you can tell.
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And what's really wonderfulabout about the frequency
alignment here is you don't haveto be a medium to experience it
.
So many people come out of adream saying you know, I really
felt that, that my, my daughtertalked to me in my dream and it
felt real.
And it's different than aregular dream, regular dreams of
all that surrealistic qualityof sun.
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Your toaster turns into apterodactyl and flies around the
room or you know I know you'relaughing because we've all had
those what Right?
And then there's thosevisitations where that was a
real conversation.
You can tell the differencebecause the contact experience
has beginning, a middle and anend and it's coherent and it and
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because it is a coherentcontact.
So for some reason that we stilldon't understand, mediums like
myself are able to go to thebeta, alpha theta border within
seconds.
Normally it takes the brain aperiod of time and relaxation to
get into that mega lowmegahertz zone which is
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conducive to spiritcommunication, but for some
reason I can do it while I'm inthe beta state and I flip into
alpha theta.
It's also why medium ship isvery exhausting.
Mediums generally will only doone, maybe two readings a day,
or more if they're.
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They're shorter.
But there is a whole processbased on our physiology, based
on quantum, quantum physics andbased on frequency alignment,
which allows spiritcommunication to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, that's a wonderful explanation, and you
just touched on something elsethat I think is really
interesting about mediums.
I have friends that are mediumsthat can literally only do one
reading a day or they get sick,and I know a lot of mediums
suffer from certain ailments,autoimmune diseases etc.
So there is there is somethinggoing on with the body, and I
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know mediums and labs have beenhooked up and they expect their
brains to light up and it'sactually the opposite their
brains get very quiet.
So I think the brain and I'msure you know more about this
idea, but the brain is more of afilter and a receiver than as a
generator, consciousness, andit's like getting the brain out
of the way, almost.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Exactly exactly.
And it's fascinating when youtalk to people, very spiritual
people, when you talk about toChristians who talk about Christ
consciousness, what they'retalking about is the same as
what Hindus talk about withKrishna consciousness and
Buddhist talk about as a stateof enlightenment, and you hit
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the nail right on the head nopun intended, brian that we got
to get the brain out of the way,you got to get the self out of
the way, so that there's thisenergetic connection with the
spirit, and that that's why thepeople who stop at this.
We live in an immediategratification society where you
go up to an ATM, you punch acouple buttons and money spits
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out.
You go to Alexa, tell me this.
Or you grab your phone and askit a question and it tells you
things which is, which ismiraculous.
And 100 years ago, if you toldsomebody that you'd have this
little canister in your house,you could go, alexa, play my
favorite music and it wouldlight up in your favorite music.
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They would look at you like youwere insane.
Or try to explain a microwaveoven to somebody in the year
1920.
They would think that was, thatwas absolute fantasy.
So we live with all thismiraculous technology around it
and we don't give it a secondthought.
So why is spirit communicationso bizarre?
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I'm going to explain something.
Think about what goes into acell phone call.
You want to talk to your AuntMartha and she lives in London.
Your brain sends an electronicimpulse to your vocal cords, so
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electrical energy, and it sendsanother impulse to your lungs.
The electrical impulse to yourlungs converts remember, energy
is never created or destroyed,only transferred Electrical
impulse to your lungs convertselectrical energy to muscular
energy which contracts shootingair out through your mouth.
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The other electrical impulse isconverted into mechanical
energy as your vocal cords beginto vibrate.
Then sound wave energy comesout of your mouth and the sound
wave then hits the plate insideof your cell phone.
The sound wave energy getsconverted to mechanical energy
which hits a wire, converting itinto electrical energy, which
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then hits the antenna,converting electrical energy to
radio wave energy.
The radio wave energy then hitsa tower, converting that into
electrical energy, which thenruns it through miles of wires
to a huge antenna, convertingthe electrical energy back into
radio wave energy which is thenbeamed up to a satellite.
The satellite then takes a radiowave energy, turns it into
microwave energy.
It bounces off a series ofsatellites until it locates the
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correct one that converts thatmicrowave energy back into radio
wave energy, which goes beamsdown to a collection point in
England, taking that microwaveenergy, turning it into
electrical energy, running itthrough miles of wires to a
tower, converting it back intoradio wave energy which then
hits the antenna on antmarthascell phone.
Taking the radio wave energy,turning it into electrical
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energy, then converting it intomechanical energy which hits the
vibrational plate, which thenis converted into sound wave
energy which hits her eardrum,therefore converting it into
mechanical energy which thencauses the stape's bones in the
middle ear to hit the eighthcranial nerve, converting
mechanical energy intoelectrical energy which then
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goes into the brain and shehears hi, this is Mark, aunt
Martha.
And all of that, brian, occursat the speed of light, because
everything in theelectromagnetic spectrum moves
at 186,282 miles per second.
So we can do this every day andwe do it all the time, but I
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can't talk to spirits.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yes, and that's fantastic.
That is, I love that thatdetailed breakdown of the
miracle that we live with everyday.
And if you tried to explainthat to someone, as you said,
100 years or 200 years ago, theywould have said that's
impossible.
If you tried to explain radiowaves, you know it's interesting
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I just been doing, I wasreading lately about this and I
just found out I guess darkmatter and dark energy weren't
discovered until like 1998.
If you could even call itdiscovered, because still no one
knows what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
What it is, and over 90% of the multiverses is dark
matter, dark energy, which meansthat over 90% of creation is
beyond our ability to perceiveit.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, this is a really important point because I wish
I could remember the exact quote.
I need to look it up becauseNeil deGrasse Tyson was quoted
and I didn't hear it from hismouth, but as they were.
You know he doesn't believe inGod.
He's you know, he's his totalmaterialist and he was like you
know, if it's something that Ican't see, that we can't
interact with, that we can'tprove, is this then that sounds
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like it's made up to mesomething to that effect, and I
was reading this book about darkmatter and dark energy.
I'm like that sounds like thedefinition of dark matter and
dark energy, but physicistsreadily accept that dark matter
and dark energy is real and whenit comes to mediumship, because
we can't explain it yet, peoplesay well, therefore it must not
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exist.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Exactly and into paraphrase Dr Tyson, because I
admire Neil deGrasse Tyson, I dotoo, and it's unfortunate that
he doesn't believe in God.
But that's his choice andeverybody has that choice.
He said the beauty of scienceis that you don't have to
believe it for it to be true,and the beauty of the afterlife
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is that you don't have tobelieve in it for it to be true.
I've conducted over 15,000readings in my lifetime.
I grew up with parents who sawspirits.
This is literally part of myDNA, the things that I have
witnessed, been part of, beenhonored to transmit for people.
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I can't possibly make thesethings up.
It is astounding some of thethings that come through and
people are like oh my God, howdid you know that?
And it's like I don't, but theydo Right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Right?
Well, that's the thing is.
I'm a rational person, I'm achemical engineer by training
and again I get excited when Isee that science is catching up.
But I have to say to myself,brian, I keep wanting to have
use my logical, rational mind tounderstand this, and that's
great.
I think we can do that.
But I also believe that we needto understand or give credit to
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people's experiences, and I'veknown people like you, been
fortunate to know people likeyou personally, and I've been
witness to some of your readingsand I've got other friends that
are just you know.
Like you said, how would theperson that called me on the
phone about my daughter knowwhat perfume she had in her room
, when I didn't know it perfumeshe had in her room?
How would they know what mywife was thinking at the
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hospital that they and mydaughter passed away?
My wife literally not sure thatwith anybody.
So a lot of times people say,well, it's all cold reading or
they looked you up on theinternet.
But I know you've got storiesof things that people couldn't
possibly couldn't have possiblylooked up.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I was doing a reading for this woman recently
and her husband spirit comesthrough and I always tell people
that your interpretation ofsomething is more important than
mine.
And all of a sudden he says tome igloo, I'm like igloo and I
live in Florida.
It's literally right now 100degrees outside.
Igloos are not a thing here andI'm like igloo.
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And she goes oh my God, whichis always a great thing for a
medium to hear and I said, allright, how does that make sense?
She said, mark, our daughter iscurrently in Alaska because
she's getting married there, andshe called me on the phone
yesterday and she told me thather wedding planner used to live
in an igloo.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Because I think that's it and I'm going.
I'm pretty sure that's it.
Now let's take a step back here.
The igloo first off.
When a spirit transmitsinformation to a medium, the
information isn't always aboutthe spirit.
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Initially they'll come in andgive identifiers.
Like you know, I love itbecause I'll see things here,
things, field things, no things.
But here he gave me an igloothat had nothing to do with her
husband when he was in thisworld, but what he was telling
her is I am around you, I amaround our daughter and I know
that she's getting married andapprove it.
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I'll bring up this weird factabout her wedding planner an
igloo.
So when messages from spiritscome through, it's always great
because that was, you know, wewere laughing about that, the
client night, because it was oneof those wow moments.
But then it's after the readingwhen you start really analyzing
things.
Also, did we talk about thelast time I was on your show,
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about the timeless, timelessness.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I think we did, but let's do it again.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Okay, yeah, back to the electromagnetic soul, back
to quantum.
Albert Einstein theorized andthis is still being discovered,
being explored, and is stillwhat quantum theorists believe
is that there is no time on thequantum level.
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So you go from molecules toatoms, electrons, protons and
neutrons to a quantum and forand you're a chemical engineer,
so I'll say this for the benefitof everybody technically, an
electron is a quantum becauseit's 1,800 the size of a proton.
It's just a negatively chargedquantum.
All right, so now we made allthe physics people happy.
But Einstein said, on thequantum level, that time doesn't
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exist.
Past, present and future areoccurring simultaneously.
Now that sounds nice in ascience fiction TV show or movie
and that sounds nice in thetheoretical sense.
But how is it then that spiritscan see future events?
I was doing a reading for awoman and her mother's spirit
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came through and started to talkto me about a seven year old
boy in this world who's aliveand that he needed to go to the
eye doctor.
She said Well, I don't have anychildren, but my sister's
little boy is seven years oldand I'm very close to my nephew
and to my sister and he has beencomplaining of headaches a lot
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lately.
So while your mother wants youto, you and your sister, to get
him to an eye doctor, and thenall of a sudden I start singing
to the fruity, all rudy, to thefreedom, get this whole little
Richard song go.
Okay, what's up with littleRichard?
She was nothing, he said I.
You know, guys know who he was,but you know we're not fans.
I've heard of the song but itmeans nothing to me and I've
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been doing this long enough towhere I tell people if you don't
get it, don't sweat it.
I said, just jot it down, don'tworry about it.
Well then, two weeks later,brian, she calls me and she said
Mark, you're not going tobelieve this, and I was loving
people, tell me that because youknow.
She said.
I called my sister and I saidyou know, we got to get him to
the doctor because this mediumsaid this.
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And my sister and I said Allright, let's do it.
So she made an appointment forthe eye doctor and my sister,
myself and my nephew the second,we walked into the doctor's
office.
On the radio starts playing tothe fruity already by little
Richard.
Now for you skeptics out there,please do the odds of that
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happening out of every singlesong I've been written or
recorded Right, that's the one Igot.
Now let's analyze this throughthe electromagnetic soul theory.
The electromagnetic soul purequantum energy.
According to theory ofrelativity, past, present and
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future is occurringsimultaneously, which is why a
spirit can see what we callfuture events.
Radio waves are a form ofelectromagnetic energy.
So the EMS was tying into afuture event to the song which
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would be broadcast throughelectromagnetic energy at the
precise moment that they walkedinto the doctor's office.
And this is how spirits willvalidate for the recipient that
you're doing the right thing.
That's why I'm giving you thissong.
You don't know what it meansyet, but when you hear it you
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will know.
I think we're past a billion toone on this.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yes, absolutely, and I've had those experiences to
where a meeting has told mesomething and it's been a year
and a half before it made senseto me and it's a long story.
I will tell it here.
I've told you many times beforebut I had a reading with
someone.
There was a test readings blind, had no idea who I was, and
they mentioned me traveling.
They mentioned me speaking andI had never traveled to speak at
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that point and I did.
It was helping parents.
Hill conference and I were boththat in Arizona last year and
on the plane on the way back.
A series of events led me tolisten to that reading recording
just at the moment the planewas taking off out of Arizona,
and listening to her say that Iwas going to be doing this.
I was going to be goingsomewhere, speaking, flying on a
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plane and speaking behind apodium.
This was a year and a halfbefore it happened and I had
never done that before and shehad no idea why.
What so again, you talk about.
This is not something wherepeople say something that's
general, like I have yourgrandmother here and she said
she loves you.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, oh, and she baked cookies.
Yeah, you know, mostgrandmothers probably baked
cookies.
I was doing a reading one time.
I say to grandma was comingthrough and she said that she
was a lousy cook.
And the client said, god,granny's cooking was horrible.
Yeah, no, that was funny, Ididn't expect that.
But yeah, your grandmother'shere and she loves you.
Well, I think most grandmotherslove their grandkids.
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I mean, that's kind of how itgoes.
And I remember when I was, I wasworking with some British
mediums and one of them used tobe a jockey.
So he comes prancing into theclass.
He was English and he saidwe're going to avoid the fall
assumed dialogues.
Number one that the spirits arewith you.
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Number two they love you.
Number three they bring you joy.
Number four they bring you up,lift meant.
And then he looked right at meand I was the only American bear
and he goes oh, and youAmericans, when all else fails,
do pull out a native Americanspirit, why don't you?
Well, let me know, pocahontas,ohio, in this class.
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And I'm sitting there like God.
This is like Professor Snaperight out of Harry Potter, me,
and I'm trying not to laugh.
But he had a very, very goodpoint and what he said.
He said the four assumedialogues.
People need to hear that, okay,yes, that your loved ones are
with you, they love you, theywant you to feel joy and
uplifted, he said.
But that's not enough.
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He said anybody could say that.
He said evidential mediumship.
You have to verify those thingsby bringing through facts in
details that far exceed somegeneralized thing.
There's the same and I believea saint said it and it was in
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connection with BernadetteSubaru in Lord's France, and
that happened over a hundredyears ago.
There was this young girl whosaw several visions of a lady of
light in the Catholic church,came in and did an investigation
and they said this was a realphenomenon.
They identified her as Mary,the mother of Jesus, the Virgin
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Mary, although Bernadette neversaid that, she said the lady of
light.
But at any rate, what came outof that was a saying that for
those who believe, no proof isnecessary.
For those who do not, no proofmay be possible.
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And I remember I was doing anevent.
It was at a symposium at acollege and one of the other
speakers she's a scientist andher sister was there, who's a
complete nonbeliever, and I wasdoing a mediumship demonstration
and I remember I was gettingnames, causes of death.
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I mean, this couple stood upand I said Walter, walter's
coming through, my uncle Walterjust died, and I started talking
about Walter and Walnut trees.
Oh, my God, he grew Walnuttrees, all right.
So I mean I was getting veryspecific details, because I
can't look at somebody and go.
You know, I bet that an uncleWalter who died, who grew Walnut
trees, right, right, right.
Well, the scientist's sistersaid oh, he was so general,
(40:56):
anyone could have said thosethings, because she wasn't a
skeptic.
Skeptics are open minded.
They may not believe something,but they're looking for proof.
She's a cynic.
Cynical people are closedminded.
I'm, and they'll go.
I'm very skeptical.
No, you're not skeptical,you're cynical and you're closed
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minded.
Yes, and when somebody isproducing that type of evidence,
that type of proof and I'llnever forget as well that whole
night and I was in Arizona, Iwas actually in Sedona, arizona
and everything about Orlando,orlando, something terrible in
Orlando was coming up and itwasn't resonating with everybody
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.
And when I got back from ahotel room and I turned on the
TV, the Pulse nightclub shootingin Orlando.
It happens like 50 people weremachine gunned down by some
maniac and that's what that was.
So that was sending out such ahuge vibration through the
quantum field.
Right, it's picking up on it.
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It's.
It's kind of like and I'm suremost people have seen the first
Star Wars when the Death Stardestroys the planet, alderaan
and Obi-Wan Kenobi says there'sa great disruption in the force,
as a millions of voices cryingout and it's.
You know, you can look at thaton one hand and laugh about it,
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or you can look at it in a verydifferent way, because that is
what happens and the reason I'mbringing that up.
Who created Star Wars?
George Lucas.
When George Lucas was 16 yearsold, he was in a car accident
and he died.
He was flatlined and then hewas resuscitated something like
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almost 20 minutes later.
They were working on him somuch.
Within three years of that hehad his first draft of Star Wars
.
Now the force is an energy fieldwhich interconnects and binds
everything in the universe.
Hello, quantum physics.
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And one of the side effects of anear-death experience, or
several side effects one, is asense of interconnectedness.
When you, when you have an NDEand you're, you die and your
soul leaves your body, and thenthey resuscitate and your EMS
returns, people say they, theyreturn with a feeling of
interconnectedness.
One of the other side effectsis enhanced psychic ability.
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So when you start to look atStar Wars and you look at the
force, the Jedi represent thepositive aspects of of an NDE
and the bad guys Darth Vader andhis whole crew are
representations of the ego,which is which is created by the
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brain.
The spirit is not created bythe brain or it is tied into the
positive energy of the quantumfield, but the, the ego edging
God out, is materialism,self-centered aggression and
it's all the negative things.
And and it is my firm beliefand I write about this in my
book and I've given lectures onthis that Star Wars is an
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inspiration or was inspired by anear-death experience, which is
one of the forms of spiritinterdimensional communication
explainable by theelectromagnetic soul theory.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
There are a couple of things I want to.
I want to piggyback on thereand I think that's why Star Wars
has such universal appeal andwhy it has such deep, rich
themes in it that we allresonate with and are
entertained by, without evenrealizing why we're entertained
by it.
But you mentioned the Pulsenightclub, you mentioned the
Death Star.
Bringing this back to science,like we were talking about
before, when a world eventhappens, like 9-11, like
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tsunamis and things, randomnumber generators around the
world go crazy and nobody canexplain why that happens.
There are these random net forpeople who don't know, these
generators that set up that.
Basically, there's likeflipping a coin it's always
50-50 and they're always justkind of smooth moving along.
But when these events happen,something in the human psyche is
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triggering an event that isrecorded electromagnetically.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Perfect, perfect.
And that also underscores thatwe're all interconnected.
Yeah, you know, all the greatspiritual teachers have always
said that we're all brothers andsisters.
And you know, I was raisedbelieving that and I still do
believe that.
I love what Gandhi said onetime.
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He said we're all the childrenof God.
So why do people raise theirhands against their brothers and
sisters?
Simply because they call God byanother name.
And you know, as much as we'dall like to join hands and sing
Kumbaya worldwide and I'm astudent of history and I don't
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really see that ever happening.
I mean, something major wouldhave to occur for that to happen
.
But it is very fascinating whenwe study near-death experiences,
no matter who these people are,when they come out of it
they're changed, and they I'm anNDE year, I was four years old
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but when people come out of theNDE they have the sense that
we're all interconnected.
They have enhanced psychicability.
They believe in a timelessness.
Okay, that that time isn'tisn't all that important.
They tend to believe inreincarnation.
And, as Nancy Evans Bush I loveNancy Evans Bush she is one of
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the original crew, along withRaymond Moody and Bruce Grayson
and Kenneth Ring, that startedthe International Association
for Near-death Studies.
She said that NDE yearsnear-death experiencers don't
think there's a God.
They know there's a God andbecause when they return from
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the experience and I mean wecould get off into talking about
that but the way I don'tbelieve in God is an erotic
white guy sitting on a thronewith a scepter smiting people
and telling you you got to bebad.
You got to be afraid.
Those are artistic depictionsthroughout the medieval era and
it was funny.
I had a friend from Germany andhe said, well, jesus had blonde
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hair and blue eyes.
And I'm like, okay, so so lookat a picture of a painting of
Jesus in Greece.
He kind of looks Greek, doesn'the?
Look at a painting of Jesus inFrance, he kind of looks French,
doesn't he?
People anthropomorphize theinfinite and this is a
fascinating thing in near-deathexperiences.
Christians and here's why Ibelieve this is happening the
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electromagnetic soul, the EMS,is leaving the human bodies,
leaving the brain, and the brainis designed for finite
perception only because we'reliving in a finite world.
And so, as the EMS istransitioning to the infinite
and now touching the collectiveconsciousness you know we're in
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the NDE zone, but it's gettingcloser to the infinite there is
a shift between finite toinfinite perception and some
people will go through a tunnelin the light most people do.
They'll encounter deceasedloved ones and their stage is to
an NDE, depending on how longit goes on, and some people will
get to the point of thethreshold of the divine.
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Christians will see Christ,hindus will see Shiva, vishnu
you know Hindu deities.
Japanese Shintos will seeAmarasu, buddhists may see
Buddha, so on and so forth.
Why is that?
It's because the EMS is stilloperating on a finite filter and
it's easier for you and I,brian, to relate to the infinity
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, the love, the vast energy thatis God as the person, jesus,
than it is a quantum field thatalways was, always will be and
permeates everything.
And so that's why, when I hearpeople say, well, everything
that happened that I saw was inscriptures.
Well then, talk to some Hindus.
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So I met Vishnu, and theinteresting thing is, in the
readings that I do, and peoplesay, well, those are God, and
the spirits will respond, andthey always say, yes, but so,
beyond anything you were taught,and so far beyond anything that
you can even comprehend, andyet so simple too, because it's.
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I don't want to refer to God asit, but the divine is an energy
, a quantum energy thatpermeates us from the subatomic
level on up, and that feeling oflove is part of it, is part of
it.
So if you want to feel God,it's love, and it's not creepy,
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stalker, love, it's likesomebody you really love, who
loves you.
The Hindus have a saying thatwhen you look into the eyes of
someone you love who loves youback.
That's God.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, god is a really crazy concept because we go
from you know little kid insetting school being taught God
is a white man on the throne andwe answer totally if the more
pop flies God.
And then we go to the spiritualthat says it's God as a spirit
or God as love.
And then we get to the, thequantum, that says God is a
force or a field and that allkind of depersonalizes God.
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But people that have in the Esay God is love and the only
thing that we know that can loveis personal.
So it's a very difficult thing,I think, for the human mind to
understand this transpersonallove that loves everybody and
everything equally.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
And and you know I don'tpretend to have the answers I
have insights.
Yeah, I love the way AlbertEinstein described it.
He said when trying tounderstand the universe, think
of yourself as a four year oldchild who wanders into a library
and you see all the books andyou know that there's things
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written in the books and youknow that somebody wrote them,
but you don't understand what itis.
He said that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
I love that we think we know so much, and I've been
again, I've been reading allthese scientific things recently
and even if you just look atthe fact that dark matter and
dark energy are 95% of theuniverse, that means we're only
looking at 5% of it.
And then I was readingsomething in the data says that
the universe is actuallyinfinite.
So we're this guy was arguingwe're looking at 0% of it
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because you know, any percentageof infinite is zero.
My point is we don't know muchof anything.
We, we are just starting to tryto grasp things.
So when people say that certainthings are impossible and I
love the analogy we, you and Iboth talked about earlier even
just the internet today if youexplain this to somebody a
hundred years ago they wouldhave said it's impossible.
(52:26):
So when we understand, when wetalk about afterlife
communications, the way I look,I tell people I don't believe
there is any supernatural.
It's just what we don'tunderstand yet.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Right, yeah, we always throw a label magic,
supernatural, paranormal.
The paranormal is really normaland the supernatural is really
natural.
And being afraid of thepresence of spirits is like
being afraid of the grassbecause it's green or the sky
because it's blue, and it'sridiculous.
They're there, they exist.
(52:58):
And, once again, just becauseyou don't understand something
doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Because people say all the timeyou can't do that, you can't do
that, you can't do that.
And usually I don't waste mytime with those people, but when
I do, I say well, by all means,please tell me your vast
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understanding of electromagneticenergy, the quantum spiritual
field, interdimensionalcommunication and the ability to
adjust your brainwayfrequencies to align with that
of the collective consciousness.
And they're like you know.
So I don't.
I don't waste waste my timewith people like that.
I prefer to spend my timehelping people who are open
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minded to understand it.
There's always going to be thenaysayers, there's always going
to be the negative people whoare going to refute things, and
people why believe in science isso do I.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Well, I want to say I want to.
So you mentioned skeptics andcynics earlier and I tell people
that all the time there's askeptic and they're just.
We're here to adjust theskeptics.
We're here to adjust the peoplethat are open minded, maybe the
people that want to believe,the people that say I want to
believe, but I don't want to begullible.
And you gave an example I wantto go back to earlier, when you
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mentioned Walter and the walnuttree.
And so there are a lot ofmediums and unfortunately there
are frauds.
There are bad mediums, thereare good mediums and there are
great mediums, just likeanything else, right?
So there's some mediums thatwill say I'm getting a J name,
well, j names are good mediums.
I'm getting a J name?
Well, j names are extremelycommon.
Oh, that must be my uncle Jack.
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Oh, yeah, I'm sure it's Jack.
Or your grandmother bakedcookies.
There's a difference betweengetting a specific name, like
Walter and a walnut tree,between saying I'm getting your
grandmother and she bakedcookies, or I'm getting an M
name.
I was at a medium shoulddemonstration once.
This woman gave several piecesof evidence.
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One was this person grew rosesand they were white roses.
And the thing that'sinteresting.
First of all and not only isthat very specific there are
like three people in the roomwhose grandmother grew white
roses.
So it's interesting how thatspirit will like piggyback and
give evidence that sometimesthat even though it's a very
rare piece of evidence, itapplied like three people.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
That's what I refer to as collective consciousness
communication and that's wherespirits with a commonality will
come through together andoftentimes the recipients will
also have a commonality.
And in that case, a grandmotherwho grew white roses, while the
grannies that grew white roses,their spirits were coming
through, and then thecommonality was the recipients
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who were there.
And then what will happen iswhen the medium, when I lock on
to a particular person, thentheir granny will start giving
them specific messages.
Then we're going to arc over tothe next one, arc over to the
next one, and I've seen thatthis happens.
This is part of what Iexplained before my public
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demonstrations is collectiveconsciousness communication,
because a lot of times peoplelike well, I heard that, but I
didn't raise my hand.
And it's like raise your hand.
My favorite or one of myfavorite didn't raise my hand.
Stories.
My manager, rocky, and I we weredriving through West Virginia
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because we were going toPittsburgh in Pennsylvania, and
I'm humming and I'm like and shegoes would you stop humming
that Pirates of the Caribbeansong?
And I go what?
And I didn't even realize it.
I was humming yo ho, yo ho,because I get a lot of songs,
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you know, and then all of asudden I realized why I was
doing that and I saw an elderlygentleman clutching his chest
and I saw like a flash of a red.
It looked like a vintageCorvette.
And then I go, I think it couldbe a spirit.
And then a couple minutes laterRocky goes.
(57:08):
If you don't stop humming that,I swear to God I'll make you
walk the plank or laugh and getto Pittsburgh and later that
night I'm doing the spiritcommunication event.
This roughly about 75, 80 peoplewas a smaller venue and I like
the smaller venues because I canget to get to more people.
And all of a sudden it startshappening Yo ho, yo.
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So I'm singing to the crowd togo, pirates of the Caribbean
Make sense?
Anyone, nobody says a thing.
I go, pirates, johnny Depp, redCorvette, grandfather with
heart attack, anything, yo ho,nothing, everyone's just staring
at me and I said, ok, let memove on.
(57:51):
Well, when the event was over,there was an 18 year old girl
who worked there and she walkedup.
It goes, oh, that was like mygrandfather, but I thought I'd
look silly if I said anything.
Ok, so me standing up in frontof almost 100 people singing
Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
And, if you know, my first inclination is like I was
about to get angry, but then Irealized let's not do that
because it's not about me.
All right, I said what's upwith Pirates of the Caribbean?
She goes.
Well, I really love Johnny Deppand my grandfather was going to
take me to Disney World becauseI wanted to go on the Pirates
of the Caribbean ride.
(58:28):
Ok, but he died of a heartattack two weeks before.
We never got to go.
And I go.
What's with the red vintageCorvette?
Well, my grandmother's house isin foreclosure, but she doesn't
want to sell my grandfather'svintage red Corvette.
I said what do you think yourgrandfather is telling your
grandmother to do?
(58:49):
Oh, like, I never thought ofthat.
You know, and, and so I always,when I use that example, I tell
people if you don't raise yourhand, you might lose your house.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
That's a great one.
That is a great one, and I'vebeen in demonstrations like that
.
I've seen people just sit backwith something very, very
specific like that, and I knowthat drives mediums crazy.
So we're actually coming to theend of our time and that's a
great way to close.
Mark, I want to thank you forfor doing this again, for being
here today, for helping peopleto understand how this all works
(59:24):
.
It's been fantastic.
So any closing words you'd liketo have?
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, I would Not.
Long after my mother passed,she came through to me and in a
very unexposed senior partner ofa law firm at the time and I
was driving and I had to pullover because this like
overwhelming message and I heardher voice say you must help
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people understand that thedivine power you call God exists
, that heaven, the afterlife,whatever you want to call it
exists, that your souls areimmortal living beings, that
humans can communicate withsouls and that we will all be
reunited in the light that youcall God when it is your
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appointed time to leave thematerial world.
So that's the five points I'dlike to leave everyone with.
Thank you for having me, Brian.
God bless.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Great seeing you again.
Have a good day.
Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another
episode of Grief to Growth.
They have got with me my friendMark Anthony.
Mark is known as the psychicexplorer or the psychic lawyer.
He's a fourth generationpsychic medium who communicates
with spirits.
He's an Oxford educatedattorney, licensed to practice
law in Florida, Washington DCand before the United States
Supreme Court.
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He recently won the AMI awardfor best psychic medium.
He appears nationwide on TV andradio, including CBS as the
doctors Gaius TV Beyond Belief.
He co-hosts a live stream show,the Psychic in the Dock on the
transformation network.
He travels the mysticallocations to remote corners of
the world to examine ancientmysteries and supernatural
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phenomena.
He's a featured speaker atconferences, expos and
universities, which includeBrown, Columbia, Harvard and
Yale.
He's the author of threebestselling books the Afterlife
Frequency, as well as multipleawards, and ranked as one of the
top books about faith and wasup for a Pulitzer.
His other bestselling books areNever Letting Go and Evidence
of Eternity.
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He's also a VIP executivecontributor for Best Holistic
Life magazine.
As I said, Mark is also happensto be a friend of mine.
What I want to do today?
I want to talk with Mark aboutmediumship and how it works, why
you can have confidence in it,and I can't think of a better
person to talk to about anyquestions about mediumship.
Mark is one of the best mediums.
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I know he also.
I was talking with someoneearlier today and I said Mark
knows a little bit abouteverything, and that's actually
not true.
Mark knows a lot abouteverything.
So with that, I want to welcometo the show Mark Anthony.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Thank you, brian.
I always enjoy working with you, so it's an honor to be here on
your show.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, I appreciate having you back again and I want
to refer people If you haven'theard it.
I did another episode with Markearlier.
We talked about Mark's life andabout his book the Afterlife
Frequency and that kind of stuff.
But today I really want tofocus down on mediumship and
mechanics of mediumship and whypeople can have faith.
That is actually real, and Iwas telling Mark before we
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started recording I get thisquestion a lot, you know, why
can't mediums do certain things?
Why, how does it all work?
So I just want to throw thatopen to you, mark, and just get
your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, there's a lot to that question.
First off, let's back up a bitand let me explain the
scientific basis for mediumship.
Is that?
Would that be okay?
That'd be awesome.
Yes, in my book, the AfterlifeFrequency.
The subtitle of the book is thescientific proof of spiritual
contact and how that awarenesswill change your life.
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And the reason that I wrote thisbook, brian, is because
throughout my life I mean, Igrew up this way.
My dad was a NASA engineer, mymother was a commercial artist.
It runs for generations in myfamily.
You know we weren't runningaround with turbines, waving
Ouija boards and flinginggranola at people.
Yeah, we were a all Americansort of family next door, except
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that, you know, my parents andI could see dead people.
My brother and sister canforesee future events.
So we were a bit different inthe neighborhood.
But a lot of people doubt theexistence of mediumship.
And the reason that I wrote theAfterlife Frequency and the
reason that we're here today isthat all the different forms of
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spirit communication, whether itis mediumship, visitations
where you may have a dream or aloved one, comes to you and this
applies to people who aren'tmediums whether it's a near
death experience, which havebeen reported for thousands of
years and certainly studied veryheavily in the last half
century, shared deathexperiences, deathbed visions
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out of body experiences.
Unfortunately, they've all beenlooked at as like a salad bar.
They're all differentphenomenon but they're not.
And I started seeing through mywork as a medium, through my
work as an attorney whospecialized in head injury,
neurological and brain braininjuries, and then when I
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started studying with quantumphysics, it all tied together,
all of those different forms ofspirit contact, what I call
interdimensional communication,brian.
They're all based on the samesound scientific principles.
It's not magic, it's not hocuspocus.
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Everything can be explainedthrough quantum physics.
And every great belief system,since the sages of ancient India
, through Zoroaster, moses,buddha, jesus, muhammad, lao zoo
, native American spirituality,the animistic religions of
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Africa and the Caribbean, theyall teach a universal constant
that the soul, the spirit, thewho and what we are pre exist.
Our body comes into the bodyand then moves on after the body
dies.
And we know that everything ismade of molecules, which in turn
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are composed of atoms, whichare made of electrons, protons
and neutrons, which are made ofa smaller particle of pure
electromagnetic energy known asa quantum, ergo the term quantum
physics.
We know from the laws ofthermodynamics, in physics,
energy is neither created nordestroyed, only transferred from
one form to another.
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So neuroscience is the study ofthe human brain, and
neuroscientists have discoveredthat the brain only accounts for
2% of the body's weight, yetit's the most complex electrical
system in the body andtherefore it uses over 20% of
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the body's electrical energy.
The heart uses the most, whichmakes sense because it's a pump
and it's going all the time.
And we want to be going all thetime because when it doesn't,
you'll be talking to the people.
That I do, but.
But I spent years examiningthis and studying the different
forms of spirit contact, neardeath experiences, share death
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experiences, the visitations ofmediumship, and by combining
physics and faith, I developedthe term the electromagnetic
soul, the EMS, to define in 21stcentury terms what we really
are, which is pure consciousness, that is, eternal
electromagnetic energy.
Now, I know that that's alengthy explanation and, of
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course, when you ask a lawyerwhat time it is, you can't
really tell how to build a clock.
But before we get into to thebasics of mediumship, it's it's
important for people tounderstand that the other side
dimension is on a highervibrational frequency than our
material world dimension.
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I call the zone in between.
Imagine, if you will, a zone inbetween.
I call it the NDE zone, not thetwilight zone, but the NDE zone
.
And why is that?
That is because all the formsof communication with the other
side occur when the afterlifefrequency and our material world
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vibrational frequencies alignand they intersect.
This is also why, when peoplesay, well, why doesn't the
spirit just tell you this?
Why don't they just give youlottery numbers?
Why don't they just find theexact location of the body?
Why don't they?
Why don't they?
Why don't they?
If I had a dollar for every,why don't they question?
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I'd be doing this telecast frommy beach house in Maui right
now.
But leaving all joking aside,spirit communication, mediumship
, involves communication fromanother dimension and this, once
again, this is not some fairytale.
Over the past century, startingwith Albert Einstein, all the
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way up through Max Tegmark andMichio Kaku, stephen Hawking,
string theory proposes thatthere's not just a universe but
there's multiverses, and withinthose universes there's
different dimensions, and sowhen a spirit is communicating
with me, they're a group ofelectromagnetic souls.
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Think of our soul, ourelectromagnetic soul, brian, as
a drop of water.
And when we die, that drop ofwater leaves the brain.
See, the brain doesn't createconsciousness, it hosts it, much
the way a computer hard drivehosts the programs on it.
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So when the hard drive dies,when our brain dies, the program
gets uploaded to the spiritualquantum field, so it plunges
into this eternal sea of souls,which I also refer to as the
collective consciousness.
And so then thatelectromagnetic soul is
interlinked with other souls,linked to other souls, and the
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access to information that theyhave is essentially infinite.
So when I am communicating, oranybody is communicating, with a
spirit, what's happening?
There is, the spirit isemitting waves of
electromagnetic frequency thatalign with the brain wave
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frequency inside my head, andthen the electronic or
electrical impulse from thespirit gets converted into
recognizable concepts based onmy memories, feelings and
cultural associations.
And so, yes, they are justtelling us, but since they don't
speak a human language, they'respeaking electromagnetic
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frequency.
It can be subject tointerpretation.
Ergo, that's why they justdon't pop in and hand me six
winning powerball numbers, notthat I haven't asked, but yeah.
But so I hope that in partanswers your question.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, it does, because, as you said and you
just explained, I think betterthan anybody I know, because
mediumship we think of.
Sometimes people thinkmediumship is like Woo-Woo's
magic, right.
And then we have science, onthe other hand, and the two
never shall meet.
And I love the and it's funnybecause I've been on my own
exploration.
I just read Tom Campbell'stheory of everything.
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I don't know if you ever readthat series of books, but he's a
physicist.
I also went to the MonroeInstitute, so he's at all his
out-of-body experiences and hebrings the two together.
So we in the West, I feel likewe need a rational explanation,
even though, as you said, peoplefor thousands, for millennia,
have understood this.
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Just, it works.
So I appreciate thatexplanation and that does answer
the question as to why.
Why don't they just tell youthings?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You know, I saw a really great movie two nights
ago.
It was on MGM classics orwhatever it was called the Gift
and Kate Blanchett.
It takes place in this smalltown in Georgia and her husband
has died so and she's a psychicand she does readings for people
and of course the townpromiscuous woman I'm being
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politically correct here ends upgetting murdered and of course
she was married, or proposed tobe married, to Greg Kinnear.
And there's this redneck who'smarried to Hilary Swank, who's
Canal Reeves, and Canal Reevesdoesn't like his wife, hilary
Swank, consulting with this here, devil worshiper.
And all this and, long storyshort, it's Katie Holmes who's
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the promiscuous woman.
She disappears and nobody canfind her.
So Greg Kinnear and KatieHolmes' father come to her with
the police and they're like well, I don't believe in this.
Anyway.
Long story short, she gets avision and she describes seeing
a beaten batter, katie Holmes,covered in chains, hovering
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around a tree above this pond,which of course belongs to Canal
Reeves, the redneck who hatesher and keeps beating on her and
threatening her kids to stayaway from her, and they dredge
the pond and they find her.
Long story short, canal Reevesis on trial.
Now, hey, blanchett never saidCanal Reeves did it.
She just said that she saw thisvision and that's where it was.
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And the scene where the defenseattorney is cross-examining her
about her ability and rippingher apart.
Oh, you had a vision.
Oh, you had this and you makemoney off this, don't you?
I mean, it was so realistic andI'm an attorney and I've seen
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how attorneys and I've had to inmy career I'm focused on my
spiritual work now go aftersomebody, and so I thought that
the movie was an extremelyaccurate depiction of how people
treat psychics, how theskeptics are very vicious
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towards us.
I'm not going to tell you howit ends, because it's a really
great twist and I reallyrecommend.
It's called the gift, starringKate Blanchett, but that's the
whole thing about psychicintuition.
I have consulted with the policeon a number of occasions.
When I was on the CBS TV showthe Doctors, they talked to me
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because I actually did a readingfor the man who found Kaley
Anthony's body, and a few yearsago that was a very high profile
case.
Mother Casey Anthony went ontrial for supposedly killing her
little girl, which she did, butthe state attorney's office in
Florida, they overcharged herand they basically botched the
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case and so she got off withjust a couple of misdemeanors
instead of the murder charge.
But what happened there is Iwas doing a public event in
Florida and I started describinga little girl and I said I feel
like there's mesh, like sometype of mesh on her face, and I
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feel water and I feel adeterioration.
And I started describing andthis guy stands up crying and he
goes.
I found Kaley Anthony's bodyand she came through to thank
him for this, and then I'llspare all the details.
But the information that I gotwas accurate enough that he was
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able to verify.
And now, how can I makesomething like that up to a
crowd of people?
And what was interesting is,you know, when I was doing the
reading for him, I said why doesthis guy look familiar?
And then when he said I'm theguy who found Kaley Anthony's
body, I remember I saw him on TVlike the year before and it was
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very, very startling.
But the reason that psychics arenot put on the witness stand in
trial is because of the hearsayrule.
Now, hearsay is is an out ofcourt statement offered to prove
the truth of the matterasserted.
So in other words, this pieceof paper would be hearsay unless
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it meets one of the exceptionsand or if the hearsay statement
can be subjected to crossexamination.
Now, clearly, we can't put aspirit on the witness stand and
cross examine the spirit.
Then people will ask well, howcould psychic intuition possibly
be useful to the police?
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Well, maybe they can't put meon the witness stand, but what I
can do is give the policeinformation that will point them
in the right direction, towhere then they can find
evidence which is not hearsayand which is admissible.
And I've been able to do thaton a number of occasions
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throughout my life.
And I know this isn't exactlywhat you were asking, but I
think that this is a good followup to why don't they just tell
us?
Well, they do tell us, but I mayget a glimpse of where it
happened, Like in the movie thegift.
She saw the body hovering abovethe pond where the body died.
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You know, when I saw the body ofKaylee Anthony, I could feel
the dirt, I could feel the, Icould smell the water, and she
was found in in a wetland areawhere the water had gone down a
bit and a truck driver pulledover to relieve himself and he
started smelling something andthen he walked over to where it
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was.
He thought it was a dead animaland he sees the body of this
little girl there, all ducttaped off up, which was the mesh
that I felt on her face.
So when you, when you find theevidence and then you look at
what the information wastransmitted from the spirit
through me to the recipient,then it starts to make sense.
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And so a lot of times let's sayI'm doing a reading on you and
I'm giving you details like this.
Initially they're not going tomake sense, but they will or can
at some point, once it leadsyou to where the body is or once
you have a period of time toreflect on it and then figure
out what it means.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, and thank you for explaining that because I
think again.
People think of when a mediumis communicating with the spirit
.
It's like the spirit walks in,sits down in the chair, the
medium looks over, looks, seesthe sees the person and they
speak to them in English andthey don't understand the
process and I know it'sdifferent for every medium.
To some people have differentclairs and you might want to go
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into that as well.
But people need to understandthere is a process of
interpretation that goes withwith every medium that I've ever
known.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
This.
This is true.
See, it's not Alexa or Siri.
Well, just tell me this.
You know some people come to methey have a whole list of
questions, are going to hold onhold on.
Spirit communication is not avisit to Santa Claus.
We hop on his lap with the listand start saying I want this, I
want this, I want this.
What I do is I open up tofrequency Once again.
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Everything is frequency andthere's five main brain wave
frequencies.
There's gamma, which is likethat's when you're on final
jeopardy and your brain is justcranking to full throttle.
Then there's beta.
That's the state, brian, youand I are in right now.
See activities for daily living.
Then when we begin to relax, wego into alpha.
Alpha is great and that's whereyou know you start to drift off
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your daydream.
That's why a lot of mediums saythat when we're engaging in
spirit communication it feelslike you're in a daydream
because brain wave frequencywise we are, because you're
going from the alpha to thetheta state, which is deep,
sleeper dream.
And then the fifth main brainwave frequency is Delta.
Very little activity, brainwave wise going on in Delta, but
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Delta is important becausethat's where you heal, you fight
infections, so, so it serves apurpose.
But on the alpha theta borderyou get to a lower megahertz.
You know there's people alwayssaying, oh, we must raise our
vibration.
Well, that's a term of art.
Yes, we must raise ourvibration, our aspirations, our
inspiration to a higher level.
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But when it comes to spiritcommunication, we're quieting
the mind and you're gettingbetween I think it's between
three and like 12 megahertz,which would be a very deep bass
sound.
So a spirit can see that and he, she or group of them will
lower their frequency and alignwith the brain wave frequency of
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the recipient at the alphatheta border.
This is why the most common formof spirit communication occurs
in dreams, because when you'rein that deep dream state is
ideal for spirit communication.
Spirit spot that they zoom in,they align and you can tell.
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And what's really wonderfulabout about the frequency
alignment here is you don't haveto be a medium to experience it
.
So many people come out of adream saying you know, I really
felt that, that my, my daughtertalked to me in my dream and it
felt real.
And it's different than aregular dream, regular dreams of
all that surrealistic qualityof sun.
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Your toaster turns into apterodactyl and flies around the
room or you know I know you'relaughing because we've all had
those what Right?
And then there's thosevisitations where that was a
real conversation.
You can tell the differencebecause the contact experience
has beginning, a middle and anend and it's coherent and it and
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because it is a coherentcontact.
So for some reason that we stilldon't understand, mediums like
myself are able to go to thebeta, alpha theta border within
seconds.
Normally it takes the brain aperiod of time and relaxation to
get into that mega lowmegahertz zone which is
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conducive to spiritcommunication, but for some
reason I can do it while I'm inthe beta state and I flip into
alpha theta.
It's also why medium ship isvery exhausting.
Mediums generally will only doone, maybe two readings a day,
or more if they're.
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They're shorter.
But there is a whole processbased on our physiology, based
on quantum, quantum physics andbased on frequency alignment,
which allows spiritcommunication to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, that's a wonderful explanation, and you
just touched on something elsethat I think is really
interesting about mediums.
I have friends that are mediumsthat can literally only do one
reading a day or they get sick,and I know a lot of mediums
suffer from certain ailments,autoimmune diseases etc.
So there is there is somethinggoing on with the body, and I
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know mediums and labs have beenhooked up and they expect their
brains to light up and it'sactually the opposite their
brains get very quiet.
So I think the brain and I'msure you know more about this
idea, but the brain is more of afilter and a receiver than as a
generator, consciousness, andit's like getting the brain out
of the way, almost.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Exactly exactly.
And it's fascinating when youtalk to people, very spiritual
people, when you talk about toChristians who talk about Christ
consciousness, what they'retalking about is the same as
what Hindus talk about withKrishna consciousness and
Buddhist talk about as a stateof enlightenment, and you hit
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the nail right on the head nopun intended, brian that we got
to get the brain out of the way,you got to get the self out of
the way, so that there's thisenergetic connection with the
spirit, and that that's why thepeople who stop at this.
We live in an immediategratification society where you
go up to an ATM, you punch acouple buttons and money spits
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out.
You go to Alexa, tell me this.
Or you grab your phone and askit a question and it tells you
things which is, which ismiraculous.
And 100 years ago, if you toldsomebody that you'd have this
little canister in your house,you could go, alexa, play my
favorite music and it wouldlight up in your favorite music.
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They would look at you like youwere insane.
Or try to explain a microwaveoven to somebody in the year
1920.
They would think that was, thatwas absolute fantasy.
So we live with all thismiraculous technology around it
and we don't give it a secondthought.
So why is spirit communicationso bizarre?
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I'm going to explain something.
Think about what goes into acell phone call.
You want to talk to your AuntMartha and she lives in London.
Your brain sends an electronicimpulse to your vocal cords, so
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electrical energy, and it sendsanother impulse to your lungs.
The electrical impulse to yourlungs converts remember, energy
is never created or destroyed,only transferred Electrical
impulse to your lungs convertselectrical energy to muscular
energy which contracts shootingair out through your mouth.
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The other electrical impulse isconverted into mechanical
energy as your vocal cords beginto vibrate.
Then sound wave energy comesout of your mouth and the sound
wave then hits the plate insideof your cell phone.
The sound wave energy getsconverted to mechanical energy
which hits a wire, converting itinto electrical energy, which
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then hits the antenna,converting electrical energy to
radio wave energy.
The radio wave energy then hitsa tower, converting that into
electrical energy, which thenruns it through miles of wires
to a huge antenna, convertingthe electrical energy back into
radio wave energy which is thenbeamed up to a satellite.
The satellite then takes a radiowave energy, turns it into
microwave energy.
It bounces off a series ofsatellites until it locates the
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correct one that converts thatmicrowave energy back into radio
wave energy, which goes beamsdown to a collection point in
England, taking that microwaveenergy, turning it into
electrical energy, running itthrough miles of wires to a
tower, converting it back intoradio wave energy which then
hits the antenna on antmarthascell phone.
Taking the radio wave energy,turning it into electrical
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energy, then converting it intomechanical energy which hits the
vibrational plate, which thenis converted into sound wave
energy which hits her eardrum,therefore converting it into
mechanical energy which thencauses the stape's bones in the
middle ear to hit the eighthcranial nerve, converting
mechanical energy intoelectrical energy which then
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goes into the brain and shehears hi, this is Mark, aunt
Martha.
And all of that, brian, occursat the speed of light, because
everything in theelectromagnetic spectrum moves
at 186,282 miles per second.
So we can do this every day andwe do it all the time, but I
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can't talk to spirits.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yes, and that's fantastic.
That is, I love that thatdetailed breakdown of the
miracle that we live with everyday.
And if you tried to explainthat to someone, as you said,
100 years or 200 years ago, theywould have said that's
impossible.
If you tried to explain radiowaves, you know it's interesting
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I just been doing, I wasreading lately about this and I
just found out I guess darkmatter and dark energy weren't
discovered until like 1998.
If you could even call itdiscovered, because still no one
knows what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
What it is, and over 90% of the multiverses is dark
matter, dark energy, which meansthat over 90% of creation is
beyond our ability to perceiveit.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, this is a really important point because I wish
I could remember the exact quote.
I need to look it up becauseNeil deGrasse Tyson was quoted
and I didn't hear it from hismouth, but as they were.
You know he doesn't believe inGod.
He's you know, he's his totalmaterialist and he was like you
know, if it's something that Ican't see, that we can't
interact with, that we can'tprove, is this then that sounds
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like it's made up to mesomething to that effect, and I
was reading this book about darkmatter and dark energy.
I'm like that sounds like thedefinition of dark matter and
dark energy, but physicistsreadily accept that dark matter
and dark energy is real and whenit comes to mediumship, because
we can't explain it yet, peoplesay well, therefore it must not
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exist.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Exactly and into paraphrase Dr Tyson, because I
admire Neil deGrasse Tyson, I dotoo, and it's unfortunate that
he doesn't believe in God.
But that's his choice andeverybody has that choice.
He said the beauty of scienceis that you don't have to
believe it for it to be true,and the beauty of the afterlife
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is that you don't have tobelieve in it for it to be true.
I've conducted over 15,000readings in my lifetime.
I grew up with parents who sawspirits.
This is literally part of myDNA, the things that I have
witnessed, been part of, beenhonored to transmit for people.
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I can't possibly make thesethings up.
It is astounding some of thethings that come through and
people are like oh my God, howdid you know that?
And it's like I don't, but theydo Right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Right?
Well, that's the thing is.
I'm a rational person, I'm achemical engineer by training
and again I get excited when Isee that science is catching up.
But I have to say to myself,brian, I keep wanting to have
use my logical, rational mind tounderstand this, and that's
great.
I think we can do that.
But I also believe that we needto understand or give credit to
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people's experiences, and I'veknown people like you, been
fortunate to know people likeyou personally, and I've been
witness to some of your readingsand I've got other friends that
are just you know.
Like you said, how would theperson that called me on the
phone about my daughter knowwhat perfume she had in her room
, when I didn't know it perfumeshe had in her room?
How would they know what mywife was thinking at the
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hospital that they and mydaughter passed away?
My wife literally not sure thatwith anybody.
So a lot of times people say,well, it's all cold reading or
they looked you up on theinternet.
But I know you've got storiesof things that people couldn't
possibly couldn't have possiblylooked up.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I was doing a reading for this woman recently
and her husband spirit comesthrough and I always tell people
that your interpretation ofsomething is more important than
mine.
And all of a sudden he says tome igloo, I'm like igloo and I
live in Florida.
It's literally right now 100degrees outside.
Igloos are not a thing here andI'm like igloo.
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And she goes oh my God, whichis always a great thing for a
medium to hear and I said, allright, how does that make sense?
She said, mark, our daughter iscurrently in Alaska because
she's getting married there, andshe called me on the phone
yesterday and she told me thather wedding planner used to live
in an igloo.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Because I think that's it and I'm going.
I'm pretty sure that's it.
Now let's take a step back here.
The igloo first off.
When a spirit transmitsinformation to a medium, the
information isn't always aboutthe spirit.
(32:00):
Initially they'll come in andgive identifiers.
Like you know, I love itbecause I'll see things here,
things, field things, no things.
But here he gave me an igloothat had nothing to do with her
husband when he was in thisworld, but what he was telling
her is I am around you, I amaround our daughter and I know
that she's getting married andapprove it.
(32:21):
I'll bring up this weird factabout her wedding planner an
igloo.
So when messages from spiritscome through, it's always great
because that was, you know, wewere laughing about that, the
client night, because it was oneof those wow moments.
But then it's after the readingwhen you start really analyzing
things.
Also, did we talk about thelast time I was on your show,
(32:43):
about the timeless, timelessness.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I think we did, but let's do it again.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Okay, yeah, back to the electromagnetic soul, back
to quantum.
Albert Einstein theorized andthis is still being discovered,
being explored, and is stillwhat quantum theorists believe
is that there is no time on thequantum level.
(33:10):
So you go from molecules toatoms, electrons, protons and
neutrons to a quantum and forand you're a chemical engineer,
so I'll say this for the benefitof everybody technically, an
electron is a quantum becauseit's 1,800 the size of a proton.
It's just a negatively chargedquantum.
All right, so now we made allthe physics people happy.
But Einstein said, on thequantum level, that time doesn't
(33:36):
exist.
Past, present and future areoccurring simultaneously.
Now that sounds nice in ascience fiction TV show or movie
and that sounds nice in thetheoretical sense.
But how is it then that spiritscan see future events?
I was doing a reading for awoman and her mother's spirit
(34:00):
came through and started to talkto me about a seven year old
boy in this world who's aliveand that he needed to go to the
eye doctor.
She said Well, I don't have anychildren, but my sister's
little boy is seven years oldand I'm very close to my nephew
and to my sister and he has beencomplaining of headaches a lot
(34:21):
lately.
So while your mother wants youto, you and your sister, to get
him to an eye doctor, and thenall of a sudden I start singing
to the fruity, all rudy, to thefreedom, get this whole little
Richard song go.
Okay, what's up with littleRichard?
She was nothing, he said I.
You know, guys know who he was,but you know we're not fans.
I've heard of the song but itmeans nothing to me and I've
(34:41):
been doing this long enough towhere I tell people if you don't
get it, don't sweat it.
I said, just jot it down, don'tworry about it.
Well then, two weeks later,brian, she calls me and she said
Mark, you're not going tobelieve this, and I was loving
people, tell me that because youknow.
She said.
I called my sister and I saidyou know, we got to get him to
the doctor because this mediumsaid this.
(35:01):
And my sister and I said Allright, let's do it.
So she made an appointment forthe eye doctor and my sister,
myself and my nephew the second,we walked into the doctor's
office.
On the radio starts playing tothe fruity already by little
Richard.
Now for you skeptics out there,please do the odds of that
(35:21):
happening out of every singlesong I've been written or
recorded Right, that's the one Igot.
Now let's analyze this throughthe electromagnetic soul theory.
The electromagnetic soul purequantum energy.
According to theory ofrelativity, past, present and
(35:42):
future is occurringsimultaneously, which is why a
spirit can see what we callfuture events.
Radio waves are a form ofelectromagnetic energy.
So the EMS was tying into afuture event to the song which
(36:05):
would be broadcast throughelectromagnetic energy at the
precise moment that they walkedinto the doctor's office.
And this is how spirits willvalidate for the recipient that
you're doing the right thing.
That's why I'm giving you thissong.
You don't know what it meansyet, but when you hear it you
(36:27):
will know.
I think we're past a billion toone on this.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yes, absolutely, and I've had those experiences to
where a meeting has told mesomething and it's been a year
and a half before it made senseto me and it's a long story.
I will tell it here.
I've told you many times beforebut I had a reading with
someone.
There was a test readings blind, had no idea who I was, and
they mentioned me traveling.
They mentioned me speaking andI had never traveled to speak at
(36:55):
that point and I did.
It was helping parents.
Hill conference and I were boththat in Arizona last year and
on the plane on the way back.
A series of events led me tolisten to that reading recording
just at the moment the planewas taking off out of Arizona,
and listening to her say that Iwas going to be doing this.
I was going to be goingsomewhere, speaking, flying on a
(37:16):
plane and speaking behind apodium.
This was a year and a halfbefore it happened and I had
never done that before and shehad no idea why.
What so again, you talk about.
This is not something wherepeople say something that's
general, like I have yourgrandmother here and she said
she loves you.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, oh, and she baked cookies.
Yeah, you know, mostgrandmothers probably baked
cookies.
I was doing a reading one time.
I say to grandma was comingthrough and she said that she
was a lousy cook.
And the client said, god,granny's cooking was horrible.
Yeah, no, that was funny, Ididn't expect that.
But yeah, your grandmother'shere and she loves you.
Well, I think most grandmotherslove their grandkids.
(37:55):
I mean, that's kind of how itgoes.
And I remember when I was, I wasworking with some British
mediums and one of them used tobe a jockey.
So he comes prancing into theclass.
He was English and he saidwe're going to avoid the fall
assumed dialogues.
Number one that the spirits arewith you.
(38:17):
Number two they love you.
Number three they bring you joy.
Number four they bring you up,lift meant.
And then he looked right at meand I was the only American bear
and he goes oh, and youAmericans, when all else fails,
do pull out a native Americanspirit, why don't you?
Well, let me know, pocahontas,ohio, in this class.
(38:42):
And I'm sitting there like God.
This is like Professor Snaperight out of Harry Potter, me,
and I'm trying not to laugh.
But he had a very, very goodpoint and what he said.
He said the four assumedialogues.
People need to hear that, okay,yes, that your loved ones are
with you, they love you, theywant you to feel joy and
uplifted, he said.
But that's not enough.
(39:02):
He said anybody could say that.
He said evidential mediumship.
You have to verify those thingsby bringing through facts in
details that far exceed somegeneralized thing.
There's the same and I believea saint said it and it was in
(39:27):
connection with BernadetteSubaru in Lord's France, and
that happened over a hundredyears ago.
There was this young girl whosaw several visions of a lady of
light in the Catholic church,came in and did an investigation
and they said this was a realphenomenon.
They identified her as Mary,the mother of Jesus, the Virgin
(39:49):
Mary, although Bernadette neversaid that, she said the lady of
light.
But at any rate, what came outof that was a saying that for
those who believe, no proof isnecessary.
For those who do not, no proofmay be possible.
(40:10):
And I remember I was doing anevent.
It was at a symposium at acollege and one of the other
speakers she's a scientist andher sister was there, who's a
complete nonbeliever, and I wasdoing a mediumship demonstration
and I remember I was gettingnames, causes of death.
(40:32):
I mean, this couple stood upand I said Walter, walter's
coming through, my uncle Walterjust died, and I started talking
about Walter and Walnut trees.
Oh, my God, he grew Walnuttrees, all right.
So I mean I was getting veryspecific details, because I
can't look at somebody and go.
You know, I bet that an uncleWalter who died, who grew Walnut
trees, right, right, right.
Well, the scientist's sistersaid oh, he was so general,
(40:56):
anyone could have said thosethings, because she wasn't a
skeptic.
Skeptics are open minded.
They may not believe something,but they're looking for proof.
She's a cynic.
Cynical people are closedminded.
I'm, and they'll go.
I'm very skeptical.
No, you're not skeptical,you're cynical and you're closed
(41:19):
minded.
Yes, and when somebody isproducing that type of evidence,
that type of proof and I'llnever forget as well that whole
night and I was in Arizona, Iwas actually in Sedona, arizona
and everything about Orlando,orlando, something terrible in
Orlando was coming up and itwasn't resonating with everybody
(41:40):
.
And when I got back from ahotel room and I turned on the
TV, the Pulse nightclub shootingin Orlando.
It happens like 50 people weremachine gunned down by some
maniac and that's what that was.
So that was sending out such ahuge vibration through the
quantum field.
Right, it's picking up on it.
(42:02):
It's.
It's kind of like and I'm suremost people have seen the first
Star Wars when the Death Stardestroys the planet, alderaan
and Obi-Wan Kenobi says there'sa great disruption in the force,
as a millions of voices cryingout and it's.
You know, you can look at thaton one hand and laugh about it,
(42:22):
or you can look at it in a verydifferent way, because that is
what happens and the reason I'mbringing that up.
Who created Star Wars?
George Lucas.
When George Lucas was 16 yearsold, he was in a car accident
and he died.
He was flatlined and then hewas resuscitated something like
(42:44):
almost 20 minutes later.
They were working on him somuch.
Within three years of that hehad his first draft of Star Wars
.
Now the force is an energy fieldwhich interconnects and binds
everything in the universe.
Hello, quantum physics.
(43:05):
And one of the side effects of anear-death experience, or
several side effects one, is asense of interconnectedness.
When you, when you have an NDEand you're, you die and your
soul leaves your body, and thenthey resuscitate and your EMS
returns, people say they, theyreturn with a feeling of
interconnectedness.
One of the other side effectsis enhanced psychic ability.
(43:29):
So when you start to look atStar Wars and you look at the
force, the Jedi represent thepositive aspects of of an NDE
and the bad guys Darth Vader andhis whole crew are
representations of the ego,which is which is created by the
(43:51):
brain.
The spirit is not created bythe brain or it is tied into the
positive energy of the quantumfield, but the, the ego edging
God out, is materialism,self-centered aggression and
it's all the negative things.
And and it is my firm beliefand I write about this in my
book and I've given lectures onthis that Star Wars is an
(44:15):
inspiration or was inspired by anear-death experience, which is
one of the forms of spiritinterdimensional communication
explainable by theelectromagnetic soul theory.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
There are a couple of things I want to.
I want to piggyback on thereand I think that's why Star Wars
has such universal appeal andwhy it has such deep, rich
themes in it that we allresonate with and are
entertained by, without evenrealizing why we're entertained
by it.
But you mentioned the Pulsenightclub, you mentioned the
Death Star.
Bringing this back to science,like we were talking about
before, when a world eventhappens, like 9-11, like
(44:56):
tsunamis and things, randomnumber generators around the
world go crazy and nobody canexplain why that happens.
There are these random net forpeople who don't know, these
generators that set up that.
Basically, there's likeflipping a coin it's always
50-50 and they're always justkind of smooth moving along.
But when these events happen,something in the human psyche is
(45:16):
triggering an event that isrecorded electromagnetically.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Perfect, perfect.
And that also underscores thatwe're all interconnected.
Yeah, you know, all the greatspiritual teachers have always
said that we're all brothers andsisters.
And you know, I was raisedbelieving that and I still do
believe that.
I love what Gandhi said onetime.
(45:43):
He said we're all the childrenof God.
So why do people raise theirhands against their brothers and
sisters?
Simply because they call God byanother name.
And you know, as much as we'dall like to join hands and sing
Kumbaya worldwide and I'm astudent of history and I don't
(46:03):
really see that ever happening.
I mean, something major wouldhave to occur for that to happen
.
But it is very fascinating whenwe study near-death experiences,
no matter who these people are,when they come out of it
they're changed, and they I'm anNDE year, I was four years old
(46:27):
but when people come out of theNDE they have the sense that
we're all interconnected.
They have enhanced psychicability.
They believe in a timelessness.
Okay, that that time isn'tisn't all that important.
They tend to believe inreincarnation.
And, as Nancy Evans Bush I loveNancy Evans Bush she is one of
(46:48):
the original crew, along withRaymond Moody and Bruce Grayson
and Kenneth Ring, that startedthe International Association
for Near-death Studies.
She said that NDE yearsnear-death experiencers don't
think there's a God.
They know there's a God andbecause when they return from
(47:13):
the experience and I mean wecould get off into talking about
that but the way I don'tbelieve in God is an erotic
white guy sitting on a thronewith a scepter smiting people
and telling you you got to bebad.
You got to be afraid.
Those are artistic depictionsthroughout the medieval era and
it was funny.
I had a friend from Germany andhe said, well, jesus had blonde
(47:34):
hair and blue eyes.
And I'm like, okay, so so lookat a picture of a painting of
Jesus in Greece.
He kind of looks Greek, doesn'the?
Look at a painting of Jesus inFrance, he kind of looks French,
doesn't he?
People anthropomorphize theinfinite and this is a
fascinating thing in near-deathexperiences.
Christians and here's why Ibelieve this is happening the
(47:58):
electromagnetic soul, the EMS,is leaving the human bodies,
leaving the brain, and the brainis designed for finite
perception only because we'reliving in a finite world.
And so, as the EMS istransitioning to the infinite
and now touching the collectiveconsciousness you know we're in
(48:20):
the NDE zone, but it's gettingcloser to the infinite there is
a shift between finite toinfinite perception and some
people will go through a tunnelin the light most people do.
They'll encounter deceasedloved ones and their stage is to
an NDE, depending on how longit goes on, and some people will
get to the point of thethreshold of the divine.
(48:42):
Christians will see Christ,hindus will see Shiva, vishnu
you know Hindu deities.
Japanese Shintos will seeAmarasu, buddhists may see
Buddha, so on and so forth.
Why is that?
It's because the EMS is stilloperating on a finite filter and
it's easier for you and I,brian, to relate to the infinity
(49:04):
, the love, the vast energy thatis God as the person, jesus,
than it is a quantum field thatalways was, always will be and
permeates everything.
And so that's why, when I hearpeople say, well, everything
that happened that I saw was inscriptures.
Well then, talk to some Hindus.
(49:26):
So I met Vishnu, and theinteresting thing is, in the
readings that I do, and peoplesay, well, those are God, and
the spirits will respond, andthey always say, yes, but so,
beyond anything you were taught,and so far beyond anything that
you can even comprehend, andyet so simple too, because it's.
(49:50):
I don't want to refer to God asit, but the divine is an energy
, a quantum energy thatpermeates us from the subatomic
level on up, and that feeling oflove is part of it, is part of
it.
So if you want to feel God,it's love, and it's not creepy,
(50:11):
stalker, love, it's likesomebody you really love, who
loves you.
The Hindus have a saying thatwhen you look into the eyes of
someone you love who loves youback.
That's God.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, god is a really crazy concept because we go
from you know little kid insetting school being taught God
is a white man on the throne andwe answer totally if the more
pop flies God.
And then we go to the spiritualthat says it's God as a spirit
or God as love.
And then we get to the, thequantum, that says God is a
force or a field and that allkind of depersonalizes God.
(50:51):
But people that have in the Esay God is love and the only
thing that we know that can loveis personal.
So it's a very difficult thing,I think, for the human mind to
understand this transpersonallove that loves everybody and
everything equally.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
And and you know I don'tpretend to have the answers I
have insights.
Yeah, I love the way AlbertEinstein described it.
He said when trying tounderstand the universe, think
of yourself as a four year oldchild who wanders into a library
and you see all the books andyou know that there's things
(51:34):
written in the books and youknow that somebody wrote them,
but you don't understand what itis.
He said that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
I love that we think we know so much, and I've been
again, I've been reading allthese scientific things recently
and even if you just look atthe fact that dark matter and
dark energy are 95% of theuniverse, that means we're only
looking at 5% of it.
And then I was readingsomething in the data says that
the universe is actuallyinfinite.
So we're this guy was arguingwe're looking at 0% of it
(52:03):
because you know, any percentageof infinite is zero.
My point is we don't know muchof anything.
We, we are just starting to tryto grasp things.
So when people say that certainthings are impossible and I
love the analogy we, you and Iboth talked about earlier even
just the internet today if youexplain this to somebody a
hundred years ago they wouldhave said it's impossible.
(52:26):
So when we understand, when wetalk about afterlife
communications, the way I look,I tell people I don't believe
there is any supernatural.
It's just what we don'tunderstand yet.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Right, yeah, we always throw a label magic,
supernatural, paranormal.
The paranormal is really normaland the supernatural is really
natural.
And being afraid of thepresence of spirits is like
being afraid of the grassbecause it's green or the sky
because it's blue, and it'sridiculous.
They're there, they exist.
(52:58):
And, once again, just becauseyou don't understand something
doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Because people say all the timeyou can't do that, you can't do
that, you can't do that.
And usually I don't waste mytime with those people, but when
I do, I say well, by all means,please tell me your vast
(53:18):
understanding of electromagneticenergy, the quantum spiritual
field, interdimensionalcommunication and the ability to
adjust your brainwayfrequencies to align with that
of the collective consciousness.
And they're like you know.
So I don't.
I don't waste waste my timewith people like that.
I prefer to spend my timehelping people who are open
(53:42):
minded to understand it.
There's always going to be thenaysayers, there's always going
to be the negative people whoare going to refute things, and
people why believe in science isso do I.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Well, I want to say I want to.
So you mentioned skeptics andcynics earlier and I tell people
that all the time there's askeptic and they're just.
We're here to adjust theskeptics.
We're here to adjust the peoplethat are open minded, maybe the
people that want to believe,the people that say I want to
believe, but I don't want to begullible.
And you gave an example I wantto go back to earlier, when you
(54:14):
mentioned Walter and the walnuttree.
And so there are a lot ofmediums and unfortunately there
are frauds.
There are bad mediums, thereare good mediums and there are
great mediums, just likeanything else, right?
So there's some mediums thatwill say I'm getting a J name,
well, j names are good mediums.
I'm getting a J name?
Well, j names are extremelycommon.
Oh, that must be my uncle Jack.
(54:36):
Oh, yeah, I'm sure it's Jack.
Or your grandmother bakedcookies.
There's a difference betweengetting a specific name, like
Walter and a walnut tree,between saying I'm getting your
grandmother and she bakedcookies, or I'm getting an M
name.
I was at a medium shoulddemonstration once.
This woman gave several piecesof evidence.
(54:56):
One was this person grew rosesand they were white roses.
And the thing that'sinteresting.
First of all and not only isthat very specific there are
like three people in the roomwhose grandmother grew white
roses.
So it's interesting how thatspirit will like piggyback and
give evidence that sometimesthat even though it's a very
rare piece of evidence, itapplied like three people.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
That's what I refer to as collective consciousness
communication and that's wherespirits with a commonality will
come through together andoftentimes the recipients will
also have a commonality.
And in that case, a grandmotherwho grew white roses, while the
grannies that grew white roses,their spirits were coming
through, and then thecommonality was the recipients
(55:40):
who were there.
And then what will happen iswhen the medium, when I lock on
to a particular person, thentheir granny will start giving
them specific messages.
Then we're going to arc over tothe next one, arc over to the
next one, and I've seen thatthis happens.
This is part of what Iexplained before my public
(56:02):
demonstrations is collectiveconsciousness communication,
because a lot of times peoplelike well, I heard that, but I
didn't raise my hand.
And it's like raise your hand.
My favorite or one of myfavorite didn't raise my hand.
Stories.
My manager, rocky, and I we weredriving through West Virginia
(56:25):
because we were going toPittsburgh in Pennsylvania, and
I'm humming and I'm like and shegoes would you stop humming
that Pirates of the Caribbeansong?
And I go what?
And I didn't even realize it.
I was humming yo ho, yo ho,because I get a lot of songs,
(56:47):
you know, and then all of asudden I realized why I was
doing that and I saw an elderlygentleman clutching his chest
and I saw like a flash of a red.
It looked like a vintageCorvette.
And then I go, I think it couldbe a spirit.
And then a couple minutes laterRocky goes.
(57:08):
If you don't stop humming that,I swear to God I'll make you
walk the plank or laugh and getto Pittsburgh and later that
night I'm doing the spiritcommunication event.
This roughly about 75, 80 peoplewas a smaller venue and I like
the smaller venues because I canget to get to more people.
And all of a sudden it startshappening Yo ho, yo.
(57:29):
So I'm singing to the crowd togo, pirates of the Caribbean
Make sense?
Anyone, nobody says a thing.
I go, pirates, johnny Depp, redCorvette, grandfather with
heart attack, anything, yo ho,nothing, everyone's just staring
at me and I said, ok, let memove on.
(57:51):
Well, when the event was over,there was an 18 year old girl
who worked there and she walkedup.
It goes, oh, that was like mygrandfather, but I thought I'd
look silly if I said anything.
Ok, so me standing up in frontof almost 100 people singing
Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
And, if you know, my first inclination is like I was
about to get angry, but then Irealized let's not do that
because it's not about me.
All right, I said what's upwith Pirates of the Caribbean?
She goes.
Well, I really love Johnny Deppand my grandfather was going to
take me to Disney World becauseI wanted to go on the Pirates
of the Caribbean ride.
(58:28):
Ok, but he died of a heartattack two weeks before.
We never got to go.
And I go.
What's with the red vintageCorvette?
Well, my grandmother's house isin foreclosure, but she doesn't
want to sell my grandfather'svintage red Corvette.
I said what do you think yourgrandfather is telling your
grandmother to do?
(58:49):
Oh, like, I never thought ofthat.
You know, and, and so I always,when I use that example, I tell
people if you don't raise yourhand, you might lose your house.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
That's a great one.
That is a great one, and I'vebeen in demonstrations like that
.
I've seen people just sit backwith something very, very
specific like that, and I knowthat drives mediums crazy.
So we're actually coming to theend of our time and that's a
great way to close.
Mark, I want to thank you forfor doing this again, for being
here today, for helping peopleto understand how this all works
(59:24):
.
It's been fantastic.
So any closing words you'd liketo have?
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, I would Not.
Long after my mother passed,she came through to me and in a
very unexposed senior partner ofa law firm at the time and I
was driving and I had to pullover because this like
overwhelming message and I heardher voice say you must help
(59:51):
people understand that thedivine power you call God exists
, that heaven, the afterlife,whatever you want to call it
exists, that your souls areimmortal living beings, that
humans can communicate withsouls and that we will all be
reunited in the light that youcall God when it is your
(01:00:12):
appointed time to leave thematerial world.
So that's the five points I'dlike to leave everyone with.
Thank you for having me, Brian.
God bless.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Great seeing you again.
Have a good day.
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