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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another
episode of Grief to Growth andthe day.
I've got with me Joshua Cameron.
And Joshua is a Utah native,born and raised.
He joined the army at the ageof 19, for eight days after
September 11th he deployed tohis first war zone in the
Balkans.
While he was there, he wasrecognized for valor and service
by the joint chief of staff,the highest ranking officer in
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the US.
Later he deployed to Kuwait andIraq and even has a comical
stand up comedy bit about howterrible the conditions were for
soldiers there.
He spent the last 10 plus yearsin the medical field, from
combat medic to pediatric,medical research and data
analytics, where he worked onthe largest longitudinal study
of his kind while he was at theUniversity of Utah.
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He now helps people who sufferfrom chronic pain in their minds
and their bodies and helps themfind a pain-free life by
guiding them from to a place ofperfect health.
So with that, I want to welcometo Grief to Growth Joshua
Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh wow, hey, thank you so much.
I really appreciate you holdingthe space here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, it's good to.
It's good to meet you.
You've got an interestingbackground, and, and how did you
get into helping other peoplewith their pain, though?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, there's a long journey, right?
We often, well, really, we canonly see the world from, you
know, a place of who we are.
And so if we are stuck in grief, well then, alls we're going to
see is grief, and there'sreally no room to help others.
And you know, I've had, youknow, in order for me to hide,
you know, as a child, as asurvival mechanism, to hide from
the grief of growing up in anabusive household.
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I really, you know, buriedmyself in a lot of fantasy
novels, and in those fantasynovels are people who are, you
know, given a, you know,monumental task that, you know,
they probably didn't want to doit and it was very difficult for
them, it was very scary forthem, and yet they stepped up
and did it anyway, and so Ireally resonated with that,
which then, you know, brought meto this idea of oh well, you
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know, I'd really like to helpout, I'd really like to add
value.
Now, the problem is is that ifwe don't know how to help
ourselves, well, we're going tobe clumsy at best at helping
others as well.
And so I really had to learnhow to help myself and took a
lot of chaos, you know, whetherit be you know from, you know
going from.
You know child abuse, and youknow both mental and physical to
then you know PTSD, just, youknow different things that you,
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you know, can't unsee.
You know in a war zone, andjust how that reach havoc on
relationships.
And as that falls apart, youknow, I realized that all the
walls that I erected, you know,in order to protect me, well,
what they did was, you know, Ierected these walls, they hey
hide me from this pain.
Well, the problem is the walldoesn't discriminate.
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So if there's anything that'sgood to come in my way, it's
going to block that as well.
And that's usually why peoplego through the dark night of the
soul and everything changes.
Because during the dark nightof the soul, which is where, you
know, typically people feellike their life is kind of
falling apart.
Well, all the walls collapsed.
And when all the walls collapse, well then the heart is open
and it can actually, you know,receive the signal and then from
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there, you know, just found a.
You know the idea of when thestudent is ready, the master
appears.
That certainly happened in mylife and had a chain of them,
you know, some I found onYouTube, some I actually paid
for you know quite handsomelyfor you know mentorship and
guidance and yeah, been a veryfascinating road since then.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, so you're also in the medical field.
So how does that, how does whatyou do helping people with
chronic pain relate to like justthe traditional medical
training?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, so the traditional medical training you
have the Hippocratic Oath,right, do no harm.
Problem is is we've abandonedthat, right, because we've
abandoned that for a very, verylong time.
I mean, unfortunately, themedical system.
I was very blind to it.
Medical systems, no, nodifferent than any other
organization, right, it's very,you know, susceptible to just
doing the bidding of.
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You know their largest donorsand you know, back when my mom
was, my mom was young, well,what those donors said is, hey,
you know, we're going to have todo that.
You know, pregnant women, youshould smoke because it's
healthy.
And then later on they said,hey, you know a person who wants
to eat well and be healthy.
You should cut out all that fatand replace it with sugar.
And then they said, oh, hey,you and chronic pain, why don't
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you go ahead and take theseopioids because they're
completely safe andnon-addictive?
And you know, hey, you know,why don't you go ahead and take
this experimental, you knowwhatever?
Yeah, and it's, it's.
And so that really woke me upto oh, okay, so we're not really
here to help.
I mean, the ER is like acutepain.
Acute pain is amazing, right,the RQ pain system, you know.
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Acute care system, you know,you break your arm, you have a
heart attack, you have a stroke.
We're incredible, incredible.
But when it comes to chronicconditions, it's just oh, well,
here's a pill.
Oh, you've got, you know,downstream effects.
You've got side effects?
Well, we've got another pillfor that.
So we call that a win and andso trying to, you know, help
others and you know, work inpediatrics, right, the uh long
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school study as a part of wascalled ECHO, you know,
environmental influences andchild health outcomes, and the
point of that is to look at awhole lot of different variables
.
Right, there were a whole, youknow, conglomerate of studies,
you know, packed into into intoone, and one of those was, you
know, a group of ladies who weretrying to get pregnant.
And as they're trying to getpregnant, well, they're giving a
lot of urine tests and in thoseurine tests they're testing for
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phthalates and, you know, bpa.
And then here we are, you know,bringing these, their kids, in,
you know, eight, 10 years later, and then we're taking pictures
of their teeth and we'recorrelating okay, how much BPA
was in their urine.
And then we correlated to okay,what are their teeth breaking
down?
And can we create thiscorrelation of, you know the.
You know the hormone disruptorsand the you know endocrine
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system disruptors and tie it to,or at least suggest that this
is something you know that couldbe causal, or at least should
be.
You know, look into further.
You know we take blood samples,we take microbiome samples,
height and weight.
You know, go through a wholelist of you know genetic
questionnaires and so it reallygot me to okay, well, this is
amazing.
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You know, man, I'm helping kidsfor one.
This is great, it was a lot offun.
And then when the pandemichappened, the hospitals were the
most backwards.
They seem to be the ones thatweren't following the science.
They seem to be the ones thatwere the most just trying to
make everyone afraid.
And that was really strange forme.
Our hospital here, you know,when.
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You know, at the University ofUtah where I was working, you
know when everyone quit wearingmasks and they said, oh, by the
way, you know, it looks likemasks actually don't work.
The hospital took like sixmonths before they quit wearing
masks, as if they wantedeveryone to be afraid, like.
And then when I started doing alittle bit of research like
hospitals, you know I mean third, the third leading cause of
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death, it's like what?
And okay, well then, I have gotsome, really, you know strong
questions to ask myself.
Is this something I want to bea part of, right?
Is there a better way to help?
And you know, by being able toask myself better questions,
what leads me to better paths?
And I'm not saying that doctorsare the problem.
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Doctors are just part of asystem and you know, and so
chances are, you know, you runinto a doctor who probably wants
to be able to help out.
Now, that said, he's veryconfined.
You know he or she are veryconfined by.
You know what the insuranceagency is going to carve out for
the amount of time.
You know, with thepharmaceutical, you know company
is going to say what they'reallowed to do, and so you know
they're victims to the samesystem, and I didn't so want to
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be a part of that.
And so, just in search ofsomething better, you know, I
found Peter Sage, who taught meabout consciousness, and he's he
was the youngest trainer forTony Robbins back in the day,
and Tony Robbins is really goodfor, you know, helping people
get from a place of feeling likethey're victims to.
Then you know, hey, I'm goingto go, seize the world.
I'm going to go do, I'm goingto make it happen.
I'm going to swim upstream andmake my dreams happen.
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And Peter is more of a flowstate and much more about, you
know, kind of a Taoist Buddhistthough he wouldn't necessarily
say that right, he's not reallyreligious but much more allowed
to happen.
You know, tune into.
You know tune into highervibrations and attract those and
then take inspired action inorder to make that manifest in
the world.
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And then you know from there,because of my affinity towards
helping and my affinity towardsyou know, I mean healing, you
know, may not have necessarilybeen healing in the medical
field, but that's effectivelythe way I identified.
Well, then a master healer cameinto my world.
I thought he was bizarre atfirst, but since I just learned
all this stuff aboutconsciousness, how you know the
brain works through neuroscience, through psychology, how even
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you know scientists back in the20s, you know talk about how
consciousness is primary, maxPlanck, consciousness is primary
.
You know Neil's board.
You know everything that wecall real is made up of things
that cannot be considered asreal.
So, okay, so we alreadydiscovered back in the 20s that
we live in a matrix right, thateverything we call part of you
know particle matter, reality ismade up of collapsed light
waves, that everything's emptyspace, everything's energy and
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okay, well, let me give this guya try, let me listen to him at
least.
Suspend my need to believe ordisbelieve, because it seems
very bizarre, it's challengingmy model of the world.
And then, from there, justhaving that ability to say,
instead of dogmaticallyassigning a belief system, well,
that challenges my identity,that challenges the way I
believe, and instead of doingwhat I've done so long and
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sticking the logical frame ofmind and just fold my arms like
a toddler, be like no, I don'tlike those vegetables I've never
tried.
No, I don't like those ideasI've never tried.
Right, I'd been to said, okay,well, what if I try them?
How do I know?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So why do you think that western or traditional
medicine is so poor handlingchronic conditions, specifically
chronic pain Cause I knowpeople that have had myalgia,
fibromyalgia and differentdiseases and they're told it's
all in your head, it's not realand we just still dismiss those
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people.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Because the people at the top have no interests in
healing those at the bottom.
Because if you are, if you'resick and you can't, really it's
hard for you to pay your bills,it's hard for you to take care
of yourself.
You feel like you're crazy.
Well, guess what you're gonnado?
You're gonna give your powerover to somebody else.
And who are you gonna give yourpower over to?
Well, whoever's right thereconveniently telling you that
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they know with a certainty thatthey can help, and whether
that's a politician, whetherthat's a pharmaceutical system.
I mean, we're one of, I think,two nations in the world that
allow for the types ofpharmaceutical commercials even
air on public TV, and it paysfor about 75% give or take of
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the commercial income for thesechannels, and so it's really
nothing more than a businessmodel that's based on profit
first, no matter what, and ifpeople get benefit, well then
that's a happy consequence, andI think that really boils down
to that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You know, I hate to believe that and I've resisted
that believing that for a verylong time.
But the older I get and themore I see it's undeniable, and
it's not just me, I guess.
I'm looking at thesecommercials on TV for these
pharmaceuticals, for thesebizarre conditions.
It seems like very few peoplewould have you know, wouldn't
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know how the ads pay out anyway,and then they give you the list
of all the side effects, right,and it's like I think I'd
rather have the disease.
But yeah, like why are youadvertising prescription drugs
to people that don't have accessto them?
Right, I have to go to a doctorto get them.
So it's a weird system.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, well, it's a way to condition us, right.
Why, if you watch CNN, is theremaybe an ad for Boeing?
Are you gonna go out and buy a7047, brian?
Right, it's a way to conditionus to be like, oh well, these
are safe.
And in kind of the same way,when I was a kid, everyone would
ask, hey, what do you wanna dowhen you grow up?
I don't know how, about youguys help me?
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And then I was like, oh okay, Ido know, I wanna be a marine
biologist.
That's dumb, you shouldn't dothat.
You should do what I think thatyou should do.
And so it's really aroundconditioning.
And then I ended up joining thearmy, because I was living with
my brother at the time and heand his wife were both in the
army.
And what do you wanna do whenyou grow up?
Join the army.
What do you wanna do when yougrow up?
Join the army.
What do you wanna do when yougrow up?
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Join the army?
Well, what did I do?
I joined the army, right.
How did we get into?
And then you take conditioningto a very dark place.
What did we see with 9-11?
How did we get into Iraq?
Well, every single news stationsaid 9-11 Iraq, 9-11 Iraq, 9-11
Iraq.
Oh, we didn't say that Iraq wasresponsible for 9-11.
We just mentioned Iraq and 9-11in the same sentence for years
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and years, and then all of asudden, we're at war with Iraq,
and so it's conditioning for usto do things that aren't in our
best interest in order to fuelthat same paradigm that benefits
those at the top.
And it's not necessarily, it'snot necessarily for us to say
good or bad in a moralizingsense, so it's easy to do so.
I think it's better for us tosay hey, does it benefit us or
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does it detract from our health,or does it detract from our
quality of life?
I think that if we takemorality out of the question and
just look at, hey, whatbenefits us?
Well, then we'll find that welive in a much better life and
we'll be able to find that wecan really attract ourselves to
paradigms and systems that workmuch better.
Because, just like you said,it's so easy to resist because
we want to believe.
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We so want to believedesperately because we see these
doctors are so nice and theywanna help out, but they're part
of a system that controls them,and if we decide that we don't
wanna be a part of that system.
Well then, we start by askingbetter questions rather than
demanding better answers.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, good point.
So I know you've dealt withsome health issues yourself.
Is that how you decided thatyou wanted to help other people,
and what kind of things haveyou gone through?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, so when I first started to heal, well, I first
had to heal myself right, and,you know, because no leader
worth or sold it should betrying to lead anyone anywhere.
They haven't led themselvesfirst, and you know.
So I was just letting go of somuch stuff I didn't know was
there.
They would just come up and say, oh my God.
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And you know it was all throughmeditation and that's what was
so phenomenal is that, you know,I used to have a lot of, you
know, chronic, you know, ptsd,felt like I was my own worst
enemy.
I felt like you know that, youknow, I mean, for years and
years I would beat myself up atnight, just you know way, laying
myself for all the differentmistakes I made and for all you
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know, for all the times that Isaid something that I felt was
embarrassing and just robbedmyself of hours of quality sleep
in order to rake myself overthe coals.
And once I started learning howto healing, I really just
started shedding that over thecourse of a few weeks, and you
know, I was crying nearly everyday, just like tears of joy,
just letting all that garbageout.
And that's when I realized,just so much joy letting that
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out.
It's like, oh my God, I, youknow, I can actually do this for
others.
And you know same, you knowsame man who taught me how to
heal.
You know, taught me how to healothers.
And what's fascinating is, youknow again, we, if we convince
ourselves, you know, of Onlythis one paradigm can work for
us.
Well then, the body's got noability but to listen.
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And what happens if thatparadigm isn't effective?
Well then we trap ourselves insomething that doesn't work.
For instance, I was working witha lady in South Africa.
She recently lost her husbandand he was deteriorating in a
nursing home facility and theydidn't really take care of him.
He had big, giant bed soresgrowing so she had to go over
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there and take care of him.
Well, he's like foot and a halftaller in her and about a
hundred pounds heavier in her,and so just by having to roll
him over and try to take care ofhim for so long, well, she tore
her bicep tendon and tore itover and over and over, so for
years had extreme pain, and shesaid that she couldn't even
reach up.
Barely even just try to reachinto a cupboard.
It'd bring her to her knees InSouth Africa, reaching out the
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right side window to grab, likea parking validation.
She couldn't even do thatbecause it'd bring her to her
knees.
She had to actually open thecar door and reach out, even
then extreme painful.
She worked with an orthopedicsurgeon didn't help.
Worked with a chiropractordidn't help.
Went to about seven differentspecialists.
Only thing she said that theydid is just make it worse, make
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it more painful.
I took her through somemeditations because that tap her
into truth and love, becauselove is what heals, right.
So why do we have so much fearin our world?
Because love is where truepower is.
Love is what heals and if wecan tap into the true love with
the infinite power of the soul,well, everything changes.
I've got an incredibletestimonial with her as I'm
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interviewing her and justletting her tell her own story
Within four days four days she'dbeen dealing with this for
years within four days she cannow reach out her window and not
feel any pain.
She can now reach up to hercupboard and actually grab
something and within two tothree weeks she had 70% of her
range of range of motion back inthat arm and because the body,
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the body's intelligent enough toheal itself.
The problem is again comingback to Neal's Bohr, coming back
to Einstein, coming back to MaxPlanck.
Consciousness is primary.
Everything is energy.
If we're overlaying a negativeconscious awareness, well then
we've got no ability other thanto run that program in our lives
, and our body can't help but tolisten to the voice in our head
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.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, well, you've mentioned you bring up Max
Planck and Neal's Bohr and thoseguys, because I've become
fascinated with them myselfrecently and again, going back
to, I'm thinking about people Iknow that have had like chronic
pain and the doctors was tellingthem it's all in their head,
and I think you would probablyagree yeah, everything is mental
, right, it's all it's all right.
But they're saying in adismissive way, like it's not
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real, it's all in your head, andwe're just saying, well, it is
very real, but it is, it is amental state.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, well, and that mental state can actually come
from a spiritual issue, right,because the body is effectively
a container for the soul, right?
And this is where awarenesscomes from, and this is where
our consciousness comes from.
And this is a model for me,right?
Nobody knows the truth ofcapital T, so I have no way to
actually show you directevidence of this.
But, just the same way that GPSis not the roads that I drive
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on, it's a meaningful map inorder for me to get to my
destination.
And the soul itself is in thesuperset.
And the soul is the source ofour power.
And the soul is being drainedby, you know, you tune into, you
know, news media and you getnothing.
But you know, fear porn, fearporn, fear porn, be afraid, be
afraid, be afraid.
Russia, russia, russia, right,whatever.
Well then, we start to, youknow, create blocks.
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And if our soul is beingdrained, well then, everything
downstream, right, that in thesubset, well, it's going to
break down as a naturalconsequence.
But the soul is that full power, well then, everything
downstream will then heal as anatural consequence.
In the same way that I was ableto help her, you know, attend in
drastically, in just four days,and you know, it's incredible
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when you actually tap intowhat's true because your heart
can feel it.
But there's times wheresomebody will say something, you
get chills up your spine and itjust hammers you, just like
it's a way of basically yoursoul remembering hey, this is
true, this is true for you.
Right, the mind gets, you know,really adult.
The mind gets very confused.
The mind gets so convinced ofits own brilliance that it traps
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itself.
You know Jordan Peterson, ifyou're familiar with him, he's
doing an exodus.
You know breakout, and you knowa bunch of different scholars
and he had this idea of theLuciferian mind.
Right, because the Luciferianmind is so convinced of its
brilliance it doesn't carewhat's right or wrong.
It says, oh, I already know, Ialready know all the answers.
I'm going to fold my arms justlike that toddler and say, hey,
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this is what's right, this iswhat's right, because, you know,
I'm not willing to actuallystep out and try it.
I'm just going to, you know, gothrough a logical paradigm and
you know, effectively see, hey,does this make logical sense?
And it doesn't.
Well, then I'll dismiss it.
And coming back to Niels Bohr,if you're familiar with the CIA
gateway protocol, right, therewas a very interesting quote
(20:03):
from Niels Bohr where his sonreached out to him just you know
, talking about how confusingquantum mechanics is, and Niels
Bohr said well, look, you're notthinking, you're only being
logical.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Hmm, yeah, say that again.
I want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, so you know Niels Bohr's son very confused
very confused over the quantummechanics reached out to his dad
.
Hey, you know this is superconfusing, what's going on here.
He said hey, son, you're notthinking, you're only being
logical.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
It's really, really interesting that you say that,
because I was reading somequotes from Einstein the other
day and a lot of them were kindof like letting go of the
intellect.
He was like he would use hisintellect, of course, because he
had a really powerful intellect, but he's like I really get my
greatest insights when I movebeyond that, when I kind of like
go with that.
And you know, everybody wantsto talk about quantum mechanics
(20:57):
and quantum theory now andnobody understands it.
That I know of.
But it's kind of like you haveto almost intuit it.
You can't really come to itlogically.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Hmm, perfect.
And you know, when we breakdown something illogical and
illogical framework, well thenit can be nothing more than the
traditional Buddhist metaphor ofa finger pointing to the moon.
But if you watch the finger,you'll never see the moon.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's true and I'm starting to
realize that more and more and Ithink again what you're talking
about with helping people toheal this chronic pain, and
again our tradition, we'relooking at the wrong end of it.
We're looking at the body andstill looking at the spirit
that's holding that.
(21:43):
You know.
You talk about unresolvedtrauma that we carry around and
no one tells us in traditionalmedicine.
That's what's causing yourproblem.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right, we're looking at the chemistry and we're not
looking at the frequency.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Right, right, yeah, exactly.
So how do we move beyond that?
How do we start to look at thefrequency?
How do we determine what isactually causing my problem?
I've got, you know, chronicpain in my elbow.
How do I get started?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, you know, a great way to even get started
would be to.
If you go to my website atfreemeafrompainscom, there's a
free download.
You can go ahead and get a freegift.
I take you through somemeditations and it's an
introduction, but they can stillbe quite powerful and some
people have a hard timemeditating.
They feel like they don'tmeditate, right.
So the very first one is youknow, here are the benefits of
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meditating, here's how thisworks.
And then let's take you througha brief meditation.
And then the second one isstarting to tap you into some of
these.
You know these magicalawarenesses that can then start
to open that up and you know theway that I, you know, often
present.
You know why the body breaksdown.
You know even though I kind ofalready did that, but in a way
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that you know people can reallylatch onto is again,
everything's energy and allenergy needs to flow, and just
like water, right, if water'snot flowing, it stagnates.
When, what's attracted tostagnating water?
Well, you know mosquitoes,parasites, bacteria, viruses,
fungus, right, and what do theydo in our body?
Will they drain our lifeblood?
They poison our lifeblood?
The body breaks down, right,and the mind will the same thing
(23:19):
, and we have fine examples asAmericans you know of a thought
virus.
All just to do is walk into acrowded room and it's sad when
you see a bunch of them gettingtogether and they're actually
having a good time.
But you can say one of threenames.
You can say Barack Obama,hillary Clinton or Donald Trump,
and say nothing else, andpeople immediately act like they
just got possessed by an agentof the matrix and they start
fighting each other.
And then so then you've gotthese same things in the
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spiritual world that instead ofdraining or poisoning the
lifeblood, they drain the lifeforce.
And so if there's an issue inyour elbow, right, it could be
tied to a spiritual issue.
Your soul is being drainedsomewhere, or your soul is being
blocked somewhere, and, havingthe ability to tune in, you
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could even ask your elbowthrough meditation.
Hey, what are you trying to tellme?
Rather than you know, mostpeople are just like oh, my damn
elbow, oh my stupid elbow thathurts so much.
And here's the thing you knowas a kid.
You know what hurt me most ofall.
As much as getting hit, reallysucked, being screamed at, being
yelled at, being demeaned andwe don't really.
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If everything's energy, well,guess what.
Your elbow has a spirit.
You demean the spirit of yourelbow and guess what's going to
happen.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh, wow, yeah, I see what you're saying.
So, yeah, we're cursing ourbody, right, we're cursing our
elbow.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Literally yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So you mentioned meditation and it's really
interesting because I thinkmeditation is extremely
important.
I'm always pushing people tomeditate but, as you also
mentioned, people push backagainst it.
I can't meditate, I can't stopmy thoughts, I'm not doing it
right.
So what do you say to peoplethat's to say those things Like
you just don't understand.
I just can't meditate.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, well, first let's watch our language.
Right, as soon as we say can't?
Well, there's literally nowhereelse to go from there.
Right, I can't.
Well, okay, well, what if yousay, well, I haven't yet learned
how to meditate?
And then you know, the reasonwhy it's important to meditate
is, again, you know, the brainis the supercomputer of the
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container.
The heart is what connects tothe signal to the soul, and so
the heart in meditation, youhave an intention, and when you
give out the intention, withoutnecessarily engaging the mind,
right, leaving the mind quiet,right, and it's connected loud,
so say you know, to the stillmind, the entire universe
surrenders.
And so when we tap into thesignal of the heart that is
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connected to the signal of thesoul, well then, the soul can
then reach up and start toameliorate, right, these issues,
not because we think, oh, Ineed to go grab a hammer and
hammer this nail and that willhelp me build this house, but
because we just, you know, ifyou find somebody who can guide
you right, like I said, you know, and what took me so long to
find out is you know and tofigure out myself, was you know,
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it's not what you learn, right,any of us can pick up a book
about meditating and you know,learn how to meditate and still
get you know, very few results.
So it's not what you learn, it'swho you learn it from.
Right, I can learn how to playbasketball on the streets with
my friends and know all the insand outs of basketball, but
that's not going to teach me tobe, you know, great at the NBA.
Right, being an actual NBA headcoach will take me, you know,
(26:35):
leaps and bounds ahead.
Because, again, it's not whatyou know and what you learn,
it's who you learn it from.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Tell me about the miracle healing system.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, Well, I mean, it blew my mind when I first
engaged with it and the factthat it was real Like, oh my God
, this is real, like, because Icould literally feel.
I could literally feel theenergy you know in my body like
moving around, like what theheck?
And the fact that you knowagain, I'm in Utah.
I was working with a lady inSouth Africa with a torn tendon.
(27:07):
For years went to every youknow type of you know expert
that you can think of in orderto help and only made it worse.
I took her through a meditationand, within four days, no more
pain reaching out her window, nomore pain reaching up to her
cupboard.
I mean like, so I didn't reallyknow what to call it.
So I was like, man, that's amiracle, okay, a miracle healing
system.
And so it was really just theyou know a bit of, I guess,
(27:33):
inadequacy of the language.
Just say, I don't know what tocall this other than it is a
miracle.
So here it is, the miraclehealing system, and I'm working
with a lady right now in Denverwho's got Lyme disease.
Right.
Lyme disease is one of thosethings that plagues people for
decades, right, causesneurological issues, causes
chronic pain, and her mind wasblown.
(27:54):
First session I took herthrough.
She's like oh my God, I'venever felt anything like that
before.
That was incredible.
I could, I've never felt energylike that before.
And so this is.
You know again.
There's.
You can take a Udemy course andlearn all the ins and outs
logically.
But just because you know itlogically doesn't know that you
know it from your heart and yoursoul.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
So, as you were, as you weretalking about that, it reminded
me because I know I've takenReiki, so people here have heard
of Reiki, we've heard of otherenergy type healing systems.
So how does what you do compareto something like that?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Hard to say.
I've never been trained inReiki.
Yeah, so you know, this is oneof those things that you know I
didn't spend a lot of time, youknow, delving into a lot of
different healing modalities.
The only reason why I didn'twrite off, you know, the great
master who taught me how to healwas because, you know, ed
Straiture is because Peter Sagemade me feel safe, right and so
(28:54):
because it was a webinar youknow about, you know a webinar
about speed reading, right, andit's like, oh my God, I am,
speed reading would totallychange my life.
So I show up and all of a suddenhe takes his left turn and
starts talking about all this.
You know spiritual stuff, likewhat is going on, right, and I
saw a little smirk on you knowmy mentor's face, just like he's
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heard it all before.
So there's something real here,right, because you know, mentor
, I already trusted him.
I already knew that he was at aplace that I wanted to be, you
know, and then he can help, youknow, provide me the steps to
get there, and you know what Ihave.
You know what I have heard,right, but you know, I haven't
actually experienced it so Ican't really say.
But what I've heard from Reikiis a lot of times Reiki can
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organize the energy of the bodya lot, organize the energy of
the mind, and you feel good formaybe a little bit, and I don't
know how long the lastingeffects are, whereas, you know,
when you heal the soul, not onlycan they be immediate and
lasting, but then you can keepit on, you know, forever.
Now, that said, you know if youare, you know, engaging in
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activities that you know, say,drive you into a ditch, and then
that causes, say, your elbow toyou know, to have chronic pain
if I burnt, coming with awrecker and pull you out of that
ditch, and then you're healed.
Well, if you exhibit those samebehaviors, well, guess what?
You're probably going to findyourself back in that ditch.
So it's also an understanding,you know, also understanding
that we need to change some ofour behaviors.
Or, if we are going to stillengage in some, because maybe
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it's, you know, necessary,because the you know the work
that we do, you know aroundpeople who are negative and they
are trying to put all theirnegative energy on us.
Well then, just learning how toprotect your energy and learn
how to clean your energy and dothat daily, you know, and create
daily practices.
Right, clean your energy,that's more important.
Cleaning your teeth and I betyou know we brush our teeth, you
know, every day, and our energyis what makes up all of us, you
know.
And so you know just findingways that you know that work
(30:46):
with us, finding ways that allowus to start opening our minds,
and really the best thing thatwe can do for ourselves is the
second that we get triggered belike we want to say that guy's
full of it, say I don't knowwhat that guy's trying to say.
Let me suspend my need todecide what it means and let me
do a little bit of investigating.
(31:06):
Let me be skeptical.
Sure, yeah, be skeptical.
Nothing wrong with that.
But validate and verify.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So is it necessary for people to begin to heal, to
identify a particular traumaLike this is what's caused this
or is it more of it?
Sounded like I heard you say,like almost a daily practice, or
is it both?
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Great question.
In fact, I would say that ifyou diagnose yourself and say
this is why I have trauma, itmight actually make it harder
for you to heal.
Right, because then you're tiedto your story, and a lot of
times when we're tied to ourstory, we'll get a lot of
secondary gains, right?
Why do people bemoan all theirissues?
Is it because they're totallyin love with crying out and
being a victim?
Or is it because they actuallythink that people are going to
(31:48):
come to them and say I'm sosorry that you're dealing with
that and they're actuallygetting the love that they
wanted and that's their way ofactually connecting?
And so a lot of people have astranglehold on that, and that's
why you may see a friend or afamily member who is struggling
and suffering and you've gotsome brilliant ideas to be able
to help them out and you mightshare some things.
(32:11):
It's just like hitting a wallslides off because you're also
not considering their secondarygains, and so the more time that
we spend in researching ourdiagnosis or holding on to our
story, the harder it can be tolet go.
And so if we understand that wehave pain and don't really know
why, it's actually a lot easierto heal, because then you've
got no blocks, you've got nomental blocks, you've got no
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story around that.
You've got to unravel and letgo of Interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
And it's really interesting because I've heard
of people doing past liferegressions and things of that
nature and saying, well, once Iidentified what caused this,
then I was able to get over it.
But I hear what you're saying.
It's kind of more like we canstart to really identify, like,
ok, this is happening because myfather was mean to me 50 years
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ago and I'm still holding on tothat story and still carrying it
around with me.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, yeah.
And so the past liferegressions right, but those can
be incredibly powerful, andit's not for me to say how
things are going to workuniversally for everyone, right?
So when he goes through aregression, it works for them,
right, and it ends up healingthem, helps them get over it.
Well, great, awesome, lean intowhat works, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
And I know you weren't saying that we shouldn't
do that, but I like the ideawhich you're saying is I guess
it's not really necessary for meto understand exactly what's
causing my elbow to hurt orexactly what's causing me to
have this chronic pain, whateverit happens to be fibromyalgia,
whatever.
Yeah, it's like we can juststart with clearing and healing.
(33:46):
Yeah, exactly so is it?
You mentioned that what you dowith the Miracle Healing System
is more of a long term thing, soI'm going to learn practices, I
assume, from you when I workwith you.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So I don't really need to work with people for a
long amount of time.
But what I do is I record thesessions so that way they've got
them for life and so that waythey can lean on them when they
need to.
And when I first learned how toheal, how to heal others, heal
myself I listen to them daily,and now I might listen to them
maybe every other week ormonthly, because once you learn
(34:26):
how to ride a bike, you don'treally need training wheels
anymore and I might go revisitthem in order to really tap in
and really dig into some of thefoundational aspects, in order
to make sure that I've still gotthe basics down so I can
advance with my own stuff.
Sure, yeah, I think with, yeah,with Annalie in South Africa.
(34:51):
Yeah, I think it was only threeweeks.
You know I, you know arthritis.
You know, worked with a NavySEAL who had arthritis and you
know, within that first sessionhis arthritis was gone.
Yeah, still took him throughother sessions.
And you know, worked withanother military analyst who had
to sit in small rooms withterrorists, see on their phone
all the gross pictures of likechild trafficking, and you know,
(35:14):
and yeah, within a couple ofsessions.
He just talked about how freehe was from his PTSD, how free
and, just in, how amazing it wasfor him, and how, you know, now
he's got these, these skillsand these tools to be able to do
this forever.
Just like he can't be moregrateful and he's like, oh my
God, right, because again it'sthere's.
(35:34):
There's something almost likeyou know.
You mentioned how you knowwe're cursing, you know cursing
our body, and it creates almostlike a Faraday cage around us.
If you're familiar with theFaraday cage, well, it blocks
any sort of electronictransmission.
So anytime we're trying to sendthat signal to the source of
our power or soul, well, thatdarkness that we've now
attracted around us is just, youknow, suppressing it.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Now you've mentioned a couple of different things
you've worked with people on.
So you mentioned arthritis, youmentioned the one with the
toward tendon.
What other types of things haveyou helped people with?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
There was a beautiful , you know, young lady who
suffered from a lot of mentalanguish, and when she did, she'd
get this psychosomatic responsewhere she get these bumps that
would appear on her skin andshe'd scratch him and she
couldn't help but scratch anditch, and itch and get these
gnarly scabs all over.
And so what I did is I, youknow, I healed that.
(36:25):
You know, whether you call itmental disorder or just mental
anguish so within two weeksright, she was only two weeks
she was in New Zealand.
Even so, you know, I've workedwith, you know, been blessed to
work with people across fivedifferent continents, and so,
you know, once that went away,well, then all the symptoms went
away and then she was able toactually get in a relationship.
(36:46):
Right, she didn't.
You know, she had no interestin boys because she was very
afraid.
Living in New Zealand, we'resuper hot, wearing all the long
sleeve shirts everywhere shegoes and you know, I worked with
a lady who suffered from animpacted spine and pain from
that and the pain from the spine, and so then it ended up, you
know, twisting her hips a littlebit, which then went and pulled
on her leg and her leg thenpulled on her knees.
(37:07):
So she had a whole lot ofproblems.
And what was complicated withthat is she was also, well, you
know, an energy healer.
But most energy healers don'tknow how to properly protect
their energy.
So what happens is, you know,you go and clean, you know, this
darkness off of somebody.
Well, that's like taking thelunch away from a lion and
(37:27):
that's what you do to you, yeah,yeah.
And so if we don't have toproperly protect ourselves, well
then you know, we'll find thatwe'll start breaking down and
then we'll start, you know,absorbing their darkness.
And in fact, there was a great,you know, story about Gabor
Maté.
Are you familiar with GaborMaté?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I know the name.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, so he, you know , as an MD, he started, you know
, finding a big awakening inayahuasca retreats and he took a
whole, you know whole gaggle ofpeople to South Africa or South
America rather, and you knowmeeting these shamans and so you
know, everyone's going to go tothe circle and they stop him
(38:08):
and they go, yeah, you can'tjoin the circle, you've got way
too much darkness on you.
And they explain it to him.
It's just that as he's helpingpeople heal, he doesn't know how
to protect himself, so he'sjust like a sponge and just
absorbing it all.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Wow, yeah, I've actually heard of people that
are energy healers, that, do youknow, suffer themselves because
they're not able to protectthemselves, or clear, or I guess
are both.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, yeah and that's .
And again, you can learn how toheal and you can maybe even
learn how to protect yourself.
And if you find the rightpeople, you can learn how to do
both.
And because it's not what welearn, it's who we learn it from
and when we tap into the truepower of the soul.
Right, that, you know the.
I mean the guy who taught me asan inventor, invented the
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microchip that goes, that wentinto every like NATO rocket, and
you know that was before hebecame a healer.
And so this guy you know as anengineer, you know he's got an
engineer mind and he's the onetelling me to get the hell out
of my mind and to get and tapinto my heart.
And this guy's probably morebrilliant than I am.
He's telling me that quiet themind.
And so I was like, okay, okay,I get it now.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, well, you know, again it goes back to that
paradigm that we have, that it'sall about the intellect, it's
all about the ego, it's allabout the brain, it's all about
the physical and you're comingat it from a completely
different point of view was, asyou said, you know, we've known
for what we used to knowintuitively as mankind for a
(39:34):
very long time.
We forgot, we kind of startedcoming back around to it about
100 years ago I guess, and then,like the 1920s, all those, all
those brilliant guys are likeokay, we, it's, it's not about
just the brain, it's not aboutjust the physical part of it,
and so, but then you're goingback, also going back to what
you said about thepharmaceutical industry and
(39:55):
health industry.
It's not really designed toheal us.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Right, exactly, or or to cure, even right there, it's
there to prolong, you know, andyou know, and even if you look
at you know, cancer treatmentsright, the you know where did we
come up with chemotherapy?
And we saw, you know, in war,what mustard gas did to people
that shrunk their organs, youknow.
Okay, let's go ahead and putmustard gas in people's, in
people's veins, unless there'shope that it kills a disease
(40:22):
before it kills them.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, so what are the things?
I asked you some questions thatyou know in the pre interviewed
, some questions that you haveto be good, and one of the
questions you had was what doesit mean that thoughts weaken the
mind?
So what do you mean?
You say that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I mean, we kind of been talking and dancing around
that idea a lot.
But you know, this is Lao Tzuright, thoughts weaken the mind,
right, that's actually in theDow to Ching Right.
Because when we get soconvinced of our own brilliance,
well then we'll tune out what'sactually true, what's actually
real Right.
Because again, we'll, we'll,we'll be like okay, does that
make logical sense?
And what did Niels Borges say?
Well, you know, are you eventhinking or are you just being
(40:58):
logical?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Well that's, I think that's ahard concept.
I know it's a hard concept forme and I'm just starting to
really understand.
You know, trying to get out ofthe head so much and and to feel
more into things and to trustthe heart and to tap into that
higher part of ourselves.
So it sounds like, from what Ihear you saying, like the
(41:22):
meditation that we're doing iskind of quieting that part of us
down so we can hear from ourspirit.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah Well, and then you know, as I guide people, I
can actually tune in, I can tellwhen your mind's active and
that really help guide you toquiet your mind.
So that way, you know, and sothat's one of the benefits of
working with me personallyversus working with like a
recorded meditation is that is,that I can actually help guide
you okay and your mind's active,allow that to go to zero, right
(41:49):
in order, so you don't blockyourself and then give you, you
know, give you tools for yourmind to focus on in order to
allow it to just quiet down andand just allow your heart to
expand and open up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So that's the thing about work with you personally.
So you're, you're able to pickup on the fact that someone's
mind is still active and thenhelp them to to do that, because
I know a lot of people you knowthey do they struggle with
meditation because they're likeI can't have to stop my thoughts
right.
And then this oh, I'm having athought, and they beat
themselves up over having athought, and you're like, well,
I might as well get up and leavebecause this isn't working
(42:23):
anyway.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
That's such a brilliant point.
And the thing is is it's notabout stopping thoughts, because
if you use thoughts to stopthoughts, well then you're just
thinking Right.
And so you know, if you bringenergy to something, you
energize it.
You bring neutrality tosomething, you neutralize it.
And there's a brilliant man bythe name of Jose Silva.
You ever heard of him?
The Silva method?
I've heard of him, so you know.
(42:46):
The Silva method is this idea ofyou know creating like a window
in your mind and see, you know,the accomplished event outside
of that.
And so you know, I use thatframe for some people who have a
hard time.
You know, quieting their mindis as you close your eyes.
We'll just picture a window andall the thoughts that come
through.
Just imagine their birds orimagine that they're animals
that just float right by thewindow.
(43:07):
You know, thank you for, foryou know, making my view look
better, but I have no interestin following you.
It's not about not havingthoughts, it's about not
following your thoughts.
And because the more that youcan allow your mind to observe
your thoughts without followingyour thoughts, the stronger it
becomes, because the mind ismeant to be an antenna right
like a rudder.
The heart is the source of thesource of power, right, the
(43:31):
heart.
You know, and we measured thisthat the, you know, the heart's
magnetic field extends 3000times further than than the
electrical impulses of the brain.
And then we can look at that.
And since we live in a fractaluniverse, we can look at that in
a planet.
Right, look at Jupiter.
Jupiter is nothing but this.
You know, chaos of electricalstorms.
But, you know, does thatlightning escape the atmosphere?
(43:53):
Not that I've seen, but thatmagnetosphere, right, that comes
from the core, that comes fromits heart.
It extends beyond the asteroidbelt, it extends beyond Mars and
it reaches Earth's orbit.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah and so and so, without the other planets in
there, you know their magnetic,you know the magnetosphere
protecting us from you know thesun's, you know radiation, right
, so it's not just our ozonelayer that protects us, it's
also the other planets as well,and that's, you know.
That's what the idea of the lawof attraction is, that you're
sending the heart signal out toattract it to you.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Okay, so let's talk about the law of attraction,
because that's something that's,I think, kind of intriguing to
people.
And they say and you get peoplefrom both sides, of course,
some people say, well, I've beentrying to practice the law of
attraction.
It's not working for me, youknow, I'm still poor, I'm still
not well.
So how do we?
How do we start to tap intothat?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, I mean such a great question.
And the thing is is, if we'retrying to become abundant and
wealthy and we decide that theonly way to be wealthy is to
have money, well, aren't we justsaying that we're poor and
we're just doubling down on thefact that we're poor?
But if we are then showinggratitude for everything in our
(45:11):
lives, for, you know, isabundance maybe somebody coming
up and giving you a free gift,right?
Is abundance maybe coming up,and somebody you know having an
enlightening conversation, andyou walk away just feeling like,
feeling better, feeling lighter, feeling stronger, right?
And then the more you givegratitude, well, then the more
you know.
It's just like a little kid,right?
Are you going to give a littlekid a giant responsibility or
(45:33):
you give them a smallresponsibility and build them up
for a big responsibility?
And you know the.
You know it seems right.
Again, nobody knows the truth tothe capital T, but it seems and
you know, relying on peoplelike Joe Dispenza, they really
talk about how the you knowquantum, you know quantum realm
is run on a rule set and thatrule set is, you know, if you
can see yourself, as NevilleGoddard even talks about, see,
(45:56):
you know, see yourself, as youknow, the wish already fulfilled
.
But not just see it, feel itright, cause feeling is the
secret.
And so imagine, you know, thatyou know your goal is to get a
house right, your dream house,and that dream house, you know
what would it feel like to be inthat house the day after you
(46:16):
signed all the paperwork right?
Maybe your family's there,maybe you can smell the smells
right, and the more, the morevariables you can put in there
and the more that you're goingto attract it to you.
And this is the way that thelaw of attraction has been, has
been brought to me and you knowand been, you know, told to me.
And to kind of share a bit ofan anecdote, you know, I, you
(46:37):
know we don't always get to seearound the bend in the river, so
things can, can show up asabundance and we don't
necessarily understand that it'sabundant yet.
And you know I joined a coachingprogram with a man by the name
of Pete Vargas and it was astage to scale and you know.
So I'm going through this andyou know I'm doing my
manifestation.
(46:57):
You know stuff you know daily,and at the end of this coaching
program, right, and bunch ofpeople there.
But he said hey, we're going todo something we've never done
before.
We're going to give you guys a5k gift.
Okay, well, that wasn't 5k inmy wallet, but it was 5k gift.
And he said oh, you know what?
You, you just have to make itto Miami or Denver.
Okay, well, you know what?
There's a, there's, you know, afriend of mine who I'd really
(47:20):
like to connect with in Denver,and then only that.
But I was just interviewed bysomebody you know on their
podcasts and they said hey, letme know if you're ever in Denver
, hmm, okay.
So I reached out to him and sayhey, guess what?
I'm going to be in Denver.
He said, oh, great man, I'll goahead and put you in my guest
bedroom.
Oh well, look at that Anothergift.
And then, when I was at theworkshop there in Denver, you
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know, as I was about to leavethe first day, he texted me and
said hey, I'm at my friend'shouse, he's come over.
Okay, well, that's good timing.
And then he said hey, I'm goingto go over there.
Well, she's suffering from Lymedisease.
Not only that, but she's got awhole, you know, a whole slew of
people in her you know fieldwho can need my, need, my help.
And so, as I'm talking to her,you know we are in a lot of
alignment and I started workingwith her and now she's already
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reached out to her friends andher friends are already showing
interest in working with me.
And so abundance may not justbe that a you know suitcase full
of cash is going to fall intoyour life, right.
So it's a matter of trainingyour particular activating
system to be grateful for youknow, if you're, if you are, you
know, trying to manifestabundance and something good
happens for you think it showgratitude, so something else can
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.
So you're reinforcing that, sosomething else can come in, you
know, bigger and better andgreater, and start building
momentum.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
I love that.
Thank you for that story.
I think that's really importantand it's it's an understanding
I just recently came to.
I just was I forgot what it wasI was reading very recently in
the last couple of weeks, andthey were talking about
different forms of abundance,because we tend to think of
abundance as money, right, as asas stuff like that, but it's
that you can have the abundanceof great communications, as you,
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as you brought up, or you know,someone might give you a gift.
You know it could come in thatform and we all most of us, we
all pretty much have abundancein very in various ways in our
lives.
We tend to focus on what wedon't have.
So even those people that havea lot of wealth, then they tend
to focus on other things thatthat they don't have.
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There they might be extremelylonely and that gratitude
practice that you talked about,which I think is really
important understanding.
Okay, yeah, I do have a lotgoing on for me and this might
come to me in a different formas and it's kind of actually, it
was more fun when it comes touniform, like it did for you
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that whole roundabout thing.
It just it's makes it moreinteresting.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Well, not only that, but it's also the way that that
life works.
Right, there's no such thing asa straight line, except in the
mind of a human Right, we saythe shortest distance between it
, you know, to any two points isa straight line.
Well, try driving to thegrocery store in a straight line
and see how long it works.
Yeah Right, and just like ariver it winds.
The thing is, is we may, we maybe, you know, trying to
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manifest abundance, and then,you know, scarcity pops up.
Well then, what do we do?
Do we react to our outer worldor do we realize that it's our
inner world?
Consciousness, right, would MaxPlanck say, consciousness is
primary.
So then, if we close our eyesand say, okay, I don't see
beyond this bend in the river,so that must mean that that in a
non-linear dynamic, somethingbetter, there's a shortcut here.
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I just don't that, I just don'tsee.
So something great is happeningfor me.
And if we already know thatwe're on the right river of life
, and we know it's in tickets toour destination, but it bends
in a way in which iscounterintuitive, do we really
freak out if we already knowthat we're on the right river?
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, that's a really good point too, because you
know again, the older, the olderI get, the more I can see that
the things that I thought weredetours or obstacles actually
led to, led me to a better place.
But at the time I couldn't seeit, and that's that's that,
that's the trust, that's thefaith that we're on the right
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river right.
So when you're on a river andthe river is flowing, you don't
really have to do anything.
The river is going to take youto where you, where you need to
be.
So we don't have to, we don'thave to fight, we can just kind
of enjoy the ride, yeah 100%.
So, joshua, how do people, ifthey want to reach you, they
want to work with you, how dopeople work with you?
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, well, again that same website,
freemeafrompainscom right, it'sa landing page with a few
testimonials so you can see whatother people are saying, and
there's a great way to downloadthat free gift and that's a
great way to just go ahead andget started.
You get started with this.
If you already know for a fact,hey, I need to reach out to
this guy.
Well then you'll see a buttonthere to set up a healing plan
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and then we can go from there.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, that sounds great.
So it's freemeafrompainscom.
Yep.
People can reach you there.
Joshua, thanks so much forbeing here today.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
I think it's going to I knowit's going to help a lot of
people to really open up topossibilities.
You know how, because you knowwe can become so frustrated with
certain things in our lives andwe go to these so-called
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experts that are helping.
So this is an alternative oractually supplement to whatever
people are doing.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Well, and the thing is is I was so hardheaded for so
long, I was so convinced of mybrilliance, right, I was right
there in the depths of you knowwhat Jordan Peterson would say,
that Luciferian intellect thatonly made my life worse, and you
know, and so there's nothingspecial about me.
I just simply had the rightmentors, that's it, just like.
You know, if you look at peoplewho are succeed in business,
well, it's probably because theyalso had the right mentors.
(52:37):
And so, again, it's all aboutyou know who you learn it from.
And so nothing special about me.
If you want to, you know, learnhow to heal.
Well then reach out.
Let's get you on that path.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Sounds great.
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, my pleasure.
Thank you for holding the space.
Really appreciate it.
It's been a great conversation.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Thanks for having me See you tomorrow afternoon.
Bye.
Hey everybody, this is Brian, back with another
episode of Grief to Growth andthe day.
I've got with me Joshua Cameron.
And Joshua is a Utah native,born and raised.
He joined the army at the ageof 19, for eight days after
September 11th he deployed tohis first war zone in the
Balkans.
While he was there, he wasrecognized for valor and service
by the joint chief of staff,the highest ranking officer in
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the US.
Later he deployed to Kuwait andIraq and even has a comical
stand up comedy bit about howterrible the conditions were for
soldiers there.
He spent the last 10 plus yearsin the medical field, from
combat medic to pediatric,medical research and data
analytics, where he worked onthe largest longitudinal study
of his kind while he was at theUniversity of Utah.
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He now helps people who sufferfrom chronic pain in their minds
and their bodies and helps themfind a pain-free life by
guiding them from to a place ofperfect health.
So with that, I want to welcometo Grief to Growth Joshua
Cameron.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh wow, hey, thank you so much.
I really appreciate you holdingthe space here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, it's good to.
It's good to meet you.
You've got an interestingbackground, and, and how did you
get into helping other peoplewith their pain, though?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, there's a long journey, right?
We often, well, really, we canonly see the world from, you
know, a place of who we are.
And so if we are stuck in grief, well then, alls we're going to
see is grief, and there'sreally no room to help others.
And you know, I've had, youknow, in order for me to hide,
you know, as a child, as asurvival mechanism, to hide from
the grief of growing up in anabusive household.
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I really, you know, buriedmyself in a lot of fantasy
novels, and in those fantasynovels are people who are, you
know, given a, you know,monumental task that, you know,
they probably didn't want to doit and it was very difficult for
them, it was very scary forthem, and yet they stepped up
and did it anyway, and so Ireally resonated with that,
which then, you know, brought meto this idea of oh well, you
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know, I'd really like to helpout, I'd really like to add
value.
Now, the problem is is that ifwe don't know how to help
ourselves, well, we're going tobe clumsy at best at helping
others as well.
And so I really had to learnhow to help myself and took a
lot of chaos, you know, whetherit be you know from, you know
going from.
You know child abuse, and youknow both mental and physical to
then you know PTSD, just, youknow different things that you,
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you know, can't unsee.
You know in a war zone, andjust how that reach havoc on
relationships.
And as that falls apart, youknow, I realized that all the
walls that I erected, you know,in order to protect me, well,
what they did was, you know, Ierected these walls, they hey
hide me from this pain.
Well, the problem is the walldoesn't discriminate.
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So if there's anything that'sgood to come in my way, it's
going to block that as well.
And that's usually why peoplego through the dark night of the
soul and everything changes.
Because during the dark nightof the soul, which is where, you
know, typically people feellike their life is kind of
falling apart.
Well, all the walls collapsed.
And when all the walls collapse, well then the heart is open
and it can actually, you know,receive the signal and then from
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there, you know, just found a.
You know the idea of when thestudent is ready, the master
appears.
That certainly happened in mylife and had a chain of them,
you know, some I found onYouTube, some I actually paid
for you know quite handsomelyfor you know mentorship and
guidance and yeah, been a veryfascinating road since then.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, so you're also in the medical field.
So how does that, how does whatyou do helping people with
chronic pain relate to like justthe traditional medical
training?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, so the traditional medical training you
have the Hippocratic Oath,right, do no harm.
Problem is is we've abandonedthat, right, because we've
abandoned that for a very, verylong time.
I mean, unfortunately, themedical system.
I was very blind to it.
Medical systems, no, nodifferent than any other
organization, right, it's very,you know, susceptible to just
doing the bidding of.
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You know their largest donorsand you know, back when my mom
was, my mom was young, well,what those donors said is, hey,
you know, we're going to have todo that.
You know, pregnant women, youshould smoke because it's
healthy.
And then later on they said,hey, you know a person who wants
to eat well and be healthy.
You should cut out all that fatand replace it with sugar.
And then they said, oh, hey,you and chronic pain, why don't
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you go ahead and take theseopioids because they're
completely safe andnon-addictive?
And you know, hey, you know,why don't you go ahead and take
this experimental, you knowwhatever?
Yeah, and it's, it's.
And so that really woke me upto oh, okay, so we're not really
here to help.
I mean, the ER is like acutepain.
Acute pain is amazing, right,the RQ pain system, you know.
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Acute care system, you know,you break your arm, you have a
heart attack, you have a stroke.
We're incredible, incredible.
But when it comes to chronicconditions, it's just oh, well,
here's a pill.
Oh, you've got, you know,downstream effects.
You've got side effects?
Well, we've got another pillfor that.
So we call that a win and andso trying to, you know, help
others and you know, work inpediatrics, right, the uh long
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school study as a part of wascalled ECHO, you know,
environmental influences andchild health outcomes, and the
point of that is to look at awhole lot of different variables
.
Right, there were a whole, youknow, conglomerate of studies,
you know, packed into into intoone, and one of those was, you
know, a group of ladies who weretrying to get pregnant.
And as they're trying to getpregnant, well, they're giving a
lot of urine tests and in thoseurine tests they're testing for
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phthalates and, you know, bpa.
And then here we are, you know,bringing these, their kids, in,
you know, eight, 10 years later, and then we're taking pictures
of their teeth and we'recorrelating okay, how much BPA
was in their urine.
And then we correlated to okay,what are their teeth breaking
down?
And can we create thiscorrelation of, you know the.
You know the hormone disruptorsand the you know endocrine
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system disruptors and tie it to,or at least suggest that this
is something you know that couldbe causal, or at least should
be.
You know, look into further.
You know we take blood samples,we take microbiome samples,
height and weight.
You know, go through a wholelist of you know genetic
questionnaires and so it reallygot me to okay, well, this is
amazing.
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You know, man, I'm helping kidsfor one.
This is great, it was a lot offun.
And then when the pandemichappened, the hospitals were the
most backwards.
They seem to be the ones thatweren't following the science.
They seem to be the ones thatwere the most just trying to
make everyone afraid.
And that was really strange forme.
Our hospital here, you know,when.
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You know, at the University ofUtah where I was working, you
know when everyone quit wearingmasks and they said, oh, by the
way, you know, it looks likemasks actually don't work.
The hospital took like sixmonths before they quit wearing
masks, as if they wantedeveryone to be afraid, like.
And then when I started doing alittle bit of research like
hospitals, you know I mean third, the third leading cause of
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death, it's like what?
And okay, well then, I have gotsome, really, you know strong
questions to ask myself.
Is this something I want to bea part of, right?
Is there a better way to help?
And you know, by being able toask myself better questions,
what leads me to better paths?
And I'm not saying that doctorsare the problem.
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Doctors are just part of asystem and you know, and so
chances are, you know, you runinto a doctor who probably wants
to be able to help out.
Now, that said, he's veryconfined.
You know he or she are veryconfined by.
You know what the insuranceagency is going to carve out for
the amount of time.
You know, with thepharmaceutical, you know company
is going to say what they'reallowed to do, and so you know
they're victims to the samesystem, and I didn't so want to
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be a part of that.
And so, just in search ofsomething better, you know, I
found Peter Sage, who taught meabout consciousness, and he's he
was the youngest trainer forTony Robbins back in the day,
and Tony Robbins is really goodfor, you know, helping people
get from a place of feeling likethey're victims to.
Then you know, hey, I'm goingto go, seize the world.
I'm going to go do, I'm goingto make it happen.
I'm going to swim upstream andmake my dreams happen.
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And Peter is more of a flowstate and much more about, you
know, kind of a Taoist Buddhistthough he wouldn't necessarily
say that right, he's not reallyreligious but much more allowed
to happen.
You know, tune into.
You know tune into highervibrations and attract those and
then take inspired action inorder to make that manifest in
the world.
(08:06):
And then you know from there,because of my affinity towards
helping and my affinity towardsyou know, I mean healing, you
know, may not have necessarilybeen healing in the medical
field, but that's effectivelythe way I identified.
Well, then a master healer cameinto my world.
I thought he was bizarre atfirst, but since I just learned
all this stuff aboutconsciousness, how you know the
brain works through neuroscience, through psychology, how even
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you know scientists back in the20s, you know talk about how
consciousness is primary, maxPlanck, consciousness is primary
.
You know Neil's board.
You know everything that wecall real is made up of things
that cannot be considered asreal.
So, okay, so we alreadydiscovered back in the 20s that
we live in a matrix right, thateverything we call part of you
know particle matter, reality ismade up of collapsed light
waves, that everything's emptyspace, everything's energy and
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okay, well, let me give this guya try, let me listen to him at
least.
Suspend my need to believe ordisbelieve, because it seems
very bizarre, it's challengingmy model of the world.
And then, from there, justhaving that ability to say,
instead of dogmaticallyassigning a belief system, well,
that challenges my identity,that challenges the way I
believe, and instead of doingwhat I've done so long and
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sticking the logical frame ofmind and just fold my arms like
a toddler, be like no, I don'tlike those vegetables I've never
tried.
No, I don't like those ideasI've never tried.
Right, I'd been to said, okay,well, what if I try them?
How do I know?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So why do you think that western or traditional
medicine is so poor handlingchronic conditions, specifically
chronic pain Cause I knowpeople that have had myalgia,
fibromyalgia and differentdiseases and they're told it's
all in your head, it's not realand we just still dismiss those
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people.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Because the people at the top have no interests in
healing those at the bottom.
Because if you are, if you'resick and you can't, really it's
hard for you to pay your bills,it's hard for you to take care
of yourself.
You feel like you're crazy.
Well, guess what you're gonnado?
You're gonna give your powerover to somebody else.
And who are you gonna give yourpower over to?
Well, whoever's right thereconveniently telling you that
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they know with a certainty thatthey can help, and whether
that's a politician, whetherthat's a pharmaceutical system.
I mean, we're one of, I think,two nations in the world that
allow for the types ofpharmaceutical commercials even
air on public TV, and it paysfor about 75% give or take of
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the commercial income for thesechannels, and so it's really
nothing more than a businessmodel that's based on profit
first, no matter what, and ifpeople get benefit, well then
that's a happy consequence, andI think that really boils down
to that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You know, I hate to believe that and I've resisted
that believing that for a verylong time.
But the older I get and themore I see it's undeniable, and
it's not just me, I guess.
I'm looking at thesecommercials on TV for these
pharmaceuticals, for thesebizarre conditions.
It seems like very few peoplewould have you know, wouldn't
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know how the ads pay out anyway,and then they give you the list
of all the side effects, right,and it's like I think I'd
rather have the disease.
But yeah, like why are youadvertising prescription drugs
to people that don't have accessto them?
Right, I have to go to a doctorto get them.
So it's a weird system.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, well, it's a way to condition us, right.
Why, if you watch CNN, is theremaybe an ad for Boeing?
Are you gonna go out and buy a7047, brian?
Right, it's a way to conditionus to be like, oh well, these
are safe.
And in kind of the same way,when I was a kid, everyone would
ask, hey, what do you wanna dowhen you grow up?
I don't know how, about youguys help me?
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And then I was like, oh okay, Ido know, I wanna be a marine
biologist.
That's dumb, you shouldn't dothat.
You should do what I think thatyou should do.
And so it's really aroundconditioning.
And then I ended up joining thearmy, because I was living with
my brother at the time and heand his wife were both in the
army.
And what do you wanna do whenyou grow up?
Join the army.
What do you wanna do when yougrow up?
Join the army.
What do you wanna do when yougrow up?
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Join the army?
Well, what did I do?
I joined the army, right.
How did we get into?
And then you take conditioningto a very dark place.
What did we see with 9-11?
How did we get into Iraq?
Well, every single news stationsaid 9-11 Iraq, 9-11 Iraq, 9-11
Iraq.
Oh, we didn't say that Iraq wasresponsible for 9-11.
We just mentioned Iraq and 9-11in the same sentence for years
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and years, and then all of asudden, we're at war with Iraq,
and so it's conditioning for usto do things that aren't in our
best interest in order to fuelthat same paradigm that benefits
those at the top.
And it's not necessarily, it'snot necessarily for us to say
good or bad in a moralizingsense, so it's easy to do so.
I think it's better for us tosay hey, does it benefit us or
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does it detract from our health,or does it detract from our
quality of life?
I think that if we takemorality out of the question and
just look at, hey, whatbenefits us?
Well, then we'll find that welive in a much better life and
we'll be able to find that wecan really attract ourselves to
paradigms and systems that workmuch better.
Because, just like you said,it's so easy to resist because
we want to believe.
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We so want to believedesperately because we see these
doctors are so nice and theywanna help out, but they're part
of a system that controls them,and if we decide that we don't
wanna be a part of that system.
Well then, we start by askingbetter questions rather than
demanding better answers.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, yeah, good point.
So I know you've dealt withsome health issues yourself.
Is that how you decided thatyou wanted to help other people,
and what kind of things haveyou gone through?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, so when I first started to heal, well, I first
had to heal myself right, and,you know, because no leader
worth or sold it should betrying to lead anyone anywhere.
They haven't led themselvesfirst, and you know.
So I was just letting go of somuch stuff I didn't know was
there.
They would just come up and say, oh my God.
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And you know it was all throughmeditation and that's what was
so phenomenal is that, you know,I used to have a lot of, you
know, chronic, you know, ptsd,felt like I was my own worst
enemy.
I felt like you know that, youknow, I mean, for years and
years I would beat myself up atnight, just you know way, laying
myself for all the differentmistakes I made and for all you
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know, for all the times that Isaid something that I felt was
embarrassing and just robbedmyself of hours of quality sleep
in order to rake myself overthe coals.
And once I started learning howto healing, I really just
started shedding that over thecourse of a few weeks, and you
know, I was crying nearly everyday, just like tears of joy,
just letting all that garbageout.
And that's when I realized,just so much joy letting that
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out.
It's like, oh my God, I, youknow, I can actually do this for
others.
And you know same, you knowsame man who taught me how to
heal.
You know, taught me how to healothers.
And what's fascinating is, youknow again, we, if we convince
ourselves, you know, of Onlythis one paradigm can work for
us.
Well then, the body's got noability but to listen.
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And what happens if thatparadigm isn't effective?
Well then we trap ourselves insomething that doesn't work.
For instance, I was working witha lady in South Africa.
She recently lost her husbandand he was deteriorating in a
nursing home facility and theydidn't really take care of him.
He had big, giant bed soresgrowing so she had to go over
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there and take care of him.
Well, he's like foot and a halftaller in her and about a
hundred pounds heavier in her,and so just by having to roll
him over and try to take care ofhim for so long, well, she tore
her bicep tendon and tore itover and over and over, so for
years had extreme pain, and shesaid that she couldn't even
reach up.
Barely even just try to reachinto a cupboard.
It'd bring her to her knees InSouth Africa, reaching out the
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right side window to grab, likea parking validation.
She couldn't even do thatbecause it'd bring her to her
knees.
She had to actually open thecar door and reach out, even
then extreme painful.
She worked with an orthopedicsurgeon didn't help.
Worked with a chiropractordidn't help.
Went to about seven differentspecialists.
Only thing she said that theydid is just make it worse, make
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it more painful.
I took her through somemeditations because that tap her
into truth and love, becauselove is what heals, right.
So why do we have so much fearin our world?
Because love is where truepower is.
Love is what heals and if wecan tap into the true love with
the infinite power of the soul,well, everything changes.
I've got an incredibletestimonial with her as I'm
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interviewing her and justletting her tell her own story
Within four days four days she'dbeen dealing with this for
years within four days she cannow reach out her window and not
feel any pain.
She can now reach up to hercupboard and actually grab
something and within two tothree weeks she had 70% of her
range of range of motion back inthat arm and because the body,
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the body's intelligent enough toheal itself.
The problem is again comingback to Neal's Bohr, coming back
to Einstein, coming back to MaxPlanck.
Consciousness is primary.
Everything is energy.
If we're overlaying a negativeconscious awareness, well then
we've got no ability other thanto run that program in our lives
, and our body can't help but tolisten to the voice in our head
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.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, well, you've mentioned you bring up Max
Planck and Neal's Bohr and thoseguys, because I've become
fascinated with them myselfrecently and again, going back
to, I'm thinking about people Iknow that have had like chronic
pain and the doctors was tellingthem it's all in their head,
and I think you would probablyagree yeah, everything is mental
, right, it's all it's all right.
But they're saying in adismissive way, like it's not
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real, it's all in your head, andwe're just saying, well, it is
very real, but it is, it is amental state.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, well, and that mental state can actually come
from a spiritual issue, right,because the body is effectively
a container for the soul, right?
And this is where awarenesscomes from, and this is where
our consciousness comes from.
And this is a model for me,right?
Nobody knows the truth ofcapital T, so I have no way to
actually show you directevidence of this.
But, just the same way that GPSis not the roads that I drive
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on, it's a meaningful map inorder for me to get to my
destination.
And the soul itself is in thesuperset.
And the soul is the source ofour power.
And the soul is being drainedby, you know, you tune into, you
know, news media and you getnothing.
But you know, fear porn, fearporn, fear porn, be afraid, be
afraid, be afraid.
Russia, russia, russia, right,whatever.
Well then, we start to, youknow, create blocks.
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And if our soul is beingdrained, well then, everything
downstream, right, that in thesubset, well, it's going to
break down as a naturalconsequence.
But the soul is that full power, well then, everything
downstream will then heal as anatural consequence.
In the same way that I was ableto help her, you know, attend in
drastically, in just four days,and you know, it's incredible
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when you actually tap intowhat's true because your heart
can feel it.
But there's times wheresomebody will say something, you
get chills up your spine and itjust hammers you, just like
it's a way of basically yoursoul remembering hey, this is
true, this is true for you.
Right, the mind gets, you know,really adult.
The mind gets very confused.
The mind gets so convinced ofits own brilliance that it traps
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itself.
You know Jordan Peterson, ifyou're familiar with him, he's
doing an exodus.
You know breakout, and you knowa bunch of different scholars
and he had this idea of theLuciferian mind.
Right, because the Luciferianmind is so convinced of its
brilliance it doesn't carewhat's right or wrong.
It says, oh, I already know, Ialready know all the answers.
I'm going to fold my arms justlike that toddler and say, hey,
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this is what's right, this iswhat's right, because, you know,
I'm not willing to actuallystep out and try it.
I'm just going to, you know, gothrough a logical paradigm and
you know, effectively see, hey,does this make logical sense?
And it doesn't.
Well, then I'll dismiss it.
And coming back to Niels Bohr,if you're familiar with the CIA
gateway protocol, right, therewas a very interesting quote
(20:03):
from Niels Bohr where his sonreached out to him just you know
, talking about how confusingquantum mechanics is, and Niels
Bohr said well, look, you're notthinking, you're only being
logical.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Hmm, yeah, say that again.
I want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, so you know Niels Bohr's son very confused
very confused over the quantummechanics reached out to his dad
.
Hey, you know this is superconfusing, what's going on here.
He said hey, son, you're notthinking, you're only being
logical.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
It's really, really interesting that you say that,
because I was reading somequotes from Einstein the other
day and a lot of them were kindof like letting go of the
intellect.
He was like he would use hisintellect, of course, because he
had a really powerful intellect, but he's like I really get my
greatest insights when I movebeyond that, when I kind of like
go with that.
And you know, everybody wantsto talk about quantum mechanics
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and quantum theory now andnobody understands it.
That I know of.
But it's kind of like you haveto almost intuit it.
You can't really come to itlogically.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Hmm, perfect.
And you know, when we breakdown something illogical and
illogical framework, well thenit can be nothing more than the
traditional Buddhist metaphor ofa finger pointing to the moon.
But if you watch the finger,you'll never see the moon.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's true and I'm starting to
realize that more and more and Ithink again what you're talking
about with helping people toheal this chronic pain, and
again our tradition, we'relooking at the wrong end of it.
We're looking at the body andstill looking at the spirit
that's holding that.
(21:43):
You know.
You talk about unresolvedtrauma that we carry around and
no one tells us in traditionalmedicine.
That's what's causing yourproblem.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right, we're looking at the chemistry and we're not
looking at the frequency.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Right, right, yeah, exactly.
So how do we move beyond that?
How do we start to look at thefrequency?
How do we determine what isactually causing my problem?
I've got, you know, chronicpain in my elbow.
How do I get started?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, you know, a great way to even get started
would be to.
If you go to my website atfreemeafrompainscom, there's a
free download.
You can go ahead and get a freegift.
I take you through somemeditations and it's an
introduction, but they can stillbe quite powerful and some
people have a hard timemeditating.
They feel like they don'tmeditate, right.
So the very first one is youknow, here are the benefits of
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meditating, here's how thisworks.
And then let's take you througha brief meditation.
And then the second one isstarting to tap you into some of
these.
You know these magicalawarenesses that can then start
to open that up and you know theway that I, you know, often
present.
You know why the body breaksdown.
You know even though I kind ofalready did that, but in a way
(22:57):
that you know people can reallylatch onto is again,
everything's energy and allenergy needs to flow, and just
like water, right, if water'snot flowing, it stagnates.
When, what's attracted tostagnating water?
Well, you know mosquitoes,parasites, bacteria, viruses,
fungus, right, and what do theydo in our body?
Will they drain our lifeblood?
They poison our lifeblood?
The body breaks down, right,and the mind will the same thing
(23:19):
, and we have fine examples asAmericans you know of a thought
virus.
All just to do is walk into acrowded room and it's sad when
you see a bunch of them gettingtogether and they're actually
having a good time.
But you can say one of threenames.
You can say Barack Obama,hillary Clinton or Donald Trump,
and say nothing else, andpeople immediately act like they
just got possessed by an agentof the matrix and they start
fighting each other.
And then so then you've gotthese same things in the
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spiritual world that instead ofdraining or poisoning the
lifeblood, they drain the lifeforce.
And so if there's an issue inyour elbow, right, it could be
tied to a spiritual issue.
Your soul is being drainedsomewhere, or your soul is being
blocked somewhere, and, havingthe ability to tune in, you
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could even ask your elbowthrough meditation.
Hey, what are you trying to tellme?
Rather than you know, mostpeople are just like oh, my damn
elbow, oh my stupid elbow thathurts so much.
And here's the thing you knowas a kid.
You know what hurt me most ofall.
As much as getting hit, reallysucked, being screamed at, being
yelled at, being demeaned andwe don't really.
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If everything's energy, well,guess what.
Your elbow has a spirit.
You demean the spirit of yourelbow and guess what's going to
happen.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh, wow, yeah, I see what you're saying.
So, yeah, we're cursing ourbody, right, we're cursing our
elbow.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Literally yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So you mentioned meditation and it's really
interesting because I thinkmeditation is extremely
important.
I'm always pushing people tomeditate but, as you also
mentioned, people push backagainst it.
I can't meditate, I can't stopmy thoughts, I'm not doing it
right.
So what do you say to peoplethat's to say those things Like
you just don't understand.
I just can't meditate.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, well, first let's watch our language.
Right, as soon as we say can't?
Well, there's literally nowhereelse to go from there.
Right, I can't.
Well, okay, well, what if yousay, well, I haven't yet learned
how to meditate?
And then you know, the reasonwhy it's important to meditate
is, again, you know, the brainis the supercomputer of the
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container.
The heart is what connects tothe signal to the soul, and so
the heart in meditation, youhave an intention, and when you
give out the intention, withoutnecessarily engaging the mind,
right, leaving the mind quiet,right, and it's connected loud,
so say you know, to the stillmind, the entire universe
surrenders.
And so when we tap into thesignal of the heart that is
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connected to the signal of thesoul, well then, the soul can
then reach up and start toameliorate, right, these issues,
not because we think, oh, Ineed to go grab a hammer and
hammer this nail and that willhelp me build this house, but
because we just, you know, ifyou find somebody who can guide
you right, like I said, you know, and what took me so long to
find out is you know and tofigure out myself, was you know,
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it's not what you learn, right,any of us can pick up a book
about meditating and you know,learn how to meditate and still
get you know, very few results.
So it's not what you learn, it'swho you learn it from.
Right, I can learn how to playbasketball on the streets with
my friends and know all the insand outs of basketball, but
that's not going to teach me tobe, you know, great at the NBA.
Right, being an actual NBA headcoach will take me, you know,
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leaps and bounds ahead.
Because, again, it's not whatyou know and what you learn,
it's who you learn it from.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Tell me about the miracle healing system.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, Well, I mean, it blew my mind when I first
engaged with it and the factthat it was real Like, oh my God
, this is real, like, because Icould literally feel.
I could literally feel theenergy you know in my body like
moving around, like what theheck?
And the fact that you knowagain, I'm in Utah.
I was working with a lady inSouth Africa with a torn tendon.
(27:07):
For years went to every youknow type of you know expert
that you can think of in orderto help and only made it worse.
I took her through a meditationand, within four days, no more
pain reaching out her window, nomore pain reaching up to her
cupboard.
I mean like, so I didn't reallyknow what to call it.
So I was like, man, that's amiracle, okay, a miracle healing
system.
And so it was really just theyou know a bit of, I guess,
(27:33):
inadequacy of the language.
Just say, I don't know what tocall this other than it is a
miracle.
So here it is, the miraclehealing system, and I'm working
with a lady right now in Denverwho's got Lyme disease.
Right.
Lyme disease is one of thosethings that plagues people for
decades, right, causesneurological issues, causes
chronic pain, and her mind wasblown.
(27:54):
First session I took herthrough.
She's like oh my God, I'venever felt anything like that
before.
That was incredible.
I could, I've never felt energylike that before.
And so this is.
You know again.
There's.
You can take a Udemy course andlearn all the ins and outs
logically.
But just because you know itlogically doesn't know that you
know it from your heart and yoursoul.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
So, as you were, as you weretalking about that, it reminded
me because I know I've takenReiki, so people here have heard
of Reiki, we've heard of otherenergy type healing systems.
So how does what you do compareto something like that?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Hard to say.
I've never been trained inReiki.
Yeah, so you know, this is oneof those things that you know I
didn't spend a lot of time, youknow, delving into a lot of
different healing modalities.
The only reason why I didn'twrite off, you know, the great
master who taught me how to healwas because, you know, ed
Straiture is because Peter Sagemade me feel safe, right and so
(28:54):
because it was a webinar youknow about, you know a webinar
about speed reading, right, andit's like, oh my God, I am,
speed reading would totallychange my life.
So I show up and all of a suddenhe takes his left turn and
starts talking about all this.
You know spiritual stuff, likewhat is going on, right, and I
saw a little smirk on you knowmy mentor's face, just like he's
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heard it all before.
So there's something real here,right, because you know, mentor
, I already trusted him.
I already knew that he was at aplace that I wanted to be, you
know, and then he can help, youknow, provide me the steps to
get there, and you know what Ihave.
You know what I have heard,right, but you know, I haven't
actually experienced it so Ican't really say.
But what I've heard from Reikiis a lot of times Reiki can
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organize the energy of the bodya lot, organize the energy of
the mind, and you feel good formaybe a little bit, and I don't
know how long the lastingeffects are, whereas, you know,
when you heal the soul, not onlycan they be immediate and
lasting, but then you can keepit on, you know, forever.
Now, that said, you know if youare, you know, engaging in
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activities that you know, say,drive you into a ditch, and then
that causes, say, your elbow toyou know, to have chronic pain
if I burnt, coming with awrecker and pull you out of that
ditch, and then you're healed.
Well, if you exhibit those samebehaviors, well, guess what?
You're probably going to findyourself back in that ditch.
So it's also an understanding,you know, also understanding
that we need to change some ofour behaviors.
Or, if we are going to stillengage in some, because maybe
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it's, you know, necessary,because the you know the work
that we do, you know aroundpeople who are negative and they
are trying to put all theirnegative energy on us.
Well then, just learning how toprotect your energy and learn
how to clean your energy and dothat daily, you know, and create
daily practices.
Right, clean your energy,that's more important.
Cleaning your teeth and I betyou know we brush our teeth, you
know, every day, and our energyis what makes up all of us, you
know.
And so you know just findingways that you know that work
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with us, finding ways that allowus to start opening our minds,
and really the best thing thatwe can do for ourselves is the
second that we get triggered belike we want to say that guy's
full of it, say I don't knowwhat that guy's trying to say.
Let me suspend my need todecide what it means and let me
do a little bit of investigating.
(31:06):
Let me be skeptical.
Sure, yeah, be skeptical.
Nothing wrong with that.
But validate and verify.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So is it necessary for people to begin to heal, to
identify a particular traumaLike this is what's caused this
or is it more of it?
Sounded like I heard you say,like almost a daily practice, or
is it both?
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Great question.
In fact, I would say that ifyou diagnose yourself and say
this is why I have trauma, itmight actually make it harder
for you to heal.
Right, because then you're tiedto your story, and a lot of
times when we're tied to ourstory, we'll get a lot of
secondary gains, right?
Why do people bemoan all theirissues?
Is it because they're totallyin love with crying out and
being a victim?
Or is it because they actuallythink that people are going to
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come to them and say I'm sosorry that you're dealing with
that and they're actuallygetting the love that they
wanted and that's their way ofactually connecting?
And so a lot of people have astranglehold on that, and that's
why you may see a friend or afamily member who is struggling
and suffering and you've gotsome brilliant ideas to be able
to help them out and you mightshare some things.
(32:11):
It's just like hitting a wallslides off because you're also
not considering their secondarygains, and so the more time that
we spend in researching ourdiagnosis or holding on to our
story, the harder it can be tolet go.
And so if we understand that wehave pain and don't really know
why, it's actually a lot easierto heal, because then you've
got no blocks, you've got nomental blocks, you've got no
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story around that.
You've got to unravel and letgo of Interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
And it's really interesting because I've heard
of people doing past liferegressions and things of that
nature and saying, well, once Iidentified what caused this,
then I was able to get over it.
But I hear what you're saying.
It's kind of more like we canstart to really identify, like,
ok, this is happening because myfather was mean to me 50 years
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ago and I'm still holding on tothat story and still carrying it
around with me.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, yeah.
And so the past liferegressions right, but those can
be incredibly powerful, andit's not for me to say how
things are going to workuniversally for everyone, right?
So when he goes through aregression, it works for them,
right, and it ends up healingthem, helps them get over it.
Well, great, awesome, lean intowhat works, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
And I know you weren't saying that we shouldn't
do that, but I like the ideawhich you're saying is I guess
it's not really necessary for meto understand exactly what's
causing my elbow to hurt orexactly what's causing me to
have this chronic pain, whateverit happens to be fibromyalgia,
whatever.
Yeah, it's like we can juststart with clearing and healing.
(33:46):
Yeah, exactly so is it?
You mentioned that what you dowith the Miracle Healing System
is more of a long term thing, soI'm going to learn practices, I
assume, from you when I workwith you.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So I don't really need to work with people for a
long amount of time.
But what I do is I record thesessions so that way they've got
them for life and so that waythey can lean on them when they
need to.
And when I first learned how toheal, how to heal others, heal
myself I listen to them daily,and now I might listen to them
maybe every other week ormonthly, because once you learn
(34:26):
how to ride a bike, you don'treally need training wheels
anymore and I might go revisitthem in order to really tap in
and really dig into some of thefoundational aspects, in order
to make sure that I've still gotthe basics down so I can
advance with my own stuff.
Sure, yeah, I think with, yeah,with Annalie in South Africa.
(34:51):
Yeah, I think it was only threeweeks.
You know I, you know arthritis.
You know, worked with a NavySEAL who had arthritis and you
know, within that first sessionhis arthritis was gone.
Yeah, still took him throughother sessions.
And you know, worked withanother military analyst who had
to sit in small rooms withterrorists, see on their phone
all the gross pictures of likechild trafficking, and you know,
(35:14):
and yeah, within a couple ofsessions.
He just talked about how freehe was from his PTSD, how free
and, just in, how amazing it wasfor him, and how, you know, now
he's got these, these skillsand these tools to be able to do
this forever.
Just like he can't be moregrateful and he's like, oh my
God, right, because again it'sthere's.
(35:34):
There's something almost likeyou know.
You mentioned how you knowwe're cursing, you know cursing
our body, and it creates almostlike a Faraday cage around us.
If you're familiar with theFaraday cage, well, it blocks
any sort of electronictransmission.
So anytime we're trying to sendthat signal to the source of
our power or soul, well, thatdarkness that we've now
attracted around us is just, youknow, suppressing it.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Now you've mentioned a couple of different things
you've worked with people on.
So you mentioned arthritis, youmentioned the one with the
toward tendon.
What other types of things haveyou helped people with?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
There was a beautiful , you know, young lady who
suffered from a lot of mentalanguish, and when she did, she'd
get this psychosomatic responsewhere she get these bumps that
would appear on her skin andshe'd scratch him and she
couldn't help but scratch anditch, and itch and get these
gnarly scabs all over.
And so what I did is I, youknow, I healed that.
(36:25):
You know, whether you call itmental disorder or just mental
anguish so within two weeksright, she was only two weeks
she was in New Zealand.
Even so, you know, I've workedwith, you know, been blessed to
work with people across fivedifferent continents, and so,
you know, once that went away,well, then all the symptoms went
away and then she was able toactually get in a relationship.
(36:46):
Right, she didn't.
You know, she had no interestin boys because she was very
afraid.
Living in New Zealand, we'resuper hot, wearing all the long
sleeve shirts everywhere shegoes and you know, I worked with
a lady who suffered from animpacted spine and pain from
that and the pain from the spine, and so then it ended up, you
know, twisting her hips a littlebit, which then went and pulled
on her leg and her leg thenpulled on her knees.
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So she had a whole lot ofproblems.
And what was complicated withthat is she was also, well, you
know, an energy healer.
But most energy healers don'tknow how to properly protect
their energy.
So what happens is, you know,you go and clean, you know, this
darkness off of somebody.
Well, that's like taking thelunch away from a lion and
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that's what you do to you, yeah,yeah.
And so if we don't have toproperly protect ourselves, well
then you know, we'll find thatwe'll start breaking down and
then we'll start, you know,absorbing their darkness.
And in fact, there was a great,you know, story about Gabor
Maté.
Are you familiar with GaborMaté?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I know the name.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, so he, you know , as an MD, he started, you know
, finding a big awakening inayahuasca retreats and he took a
whole, you know whole gaggle ofpeople to South Africa or South
America rather, and you knowmeeting these shamans and so you
know, everyone's going to go tothe circle and they stop him
(38:08):
and they go, yeah, you can'tjoin the circle, you've got way
too much darkness on you.
And they explain it to him.
It's just that as he's helpingpeople heal, he doesn't know how
to protect himself, so he'sjust like a sponge and just
absorbing it all.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Wow, yeah, I've actually heard of people that
are energy healers, that, do youknow, suffer themselves because
they're not able to protectthemselves, or clear, or I guess
are both.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, yeah and that's .
And again, you can learn how toheal and you can maybe even
learn how to protect yourself.
And if you find the rightpeople, you can learn how to do
both.
And because it's not what welearn, it's who we learn it from
and when we tap into the truepower of the soul.
Right, that, you know the.
I mean the guy who taught me asan inventor, invented the
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microchip that goes, that wentinto every like NATO rocket, and
you know that was before hebecame a healer.
And so this guy you know as anengineer, you know he's got an
engineer mind and he's the onetelling me to get the hell out
of my mind and to get and tapinto my heart.
And this guy's probably morebrilliant than I am.
He's telling me that quiet themind.
And so I was like, okay, okay,I get it now.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, well, you know, again it goes back to that
paradigm that we have, that it'sall about the intellect, it's
all about the ego, it's allabout the brain, it's all about
the physical and you're comingat it from a completely
different point of view was, asyou said, you know, we've known
for what we used to knowintuitively as mankind for a
(39:34):
very long time.
We forgot, we kind of startedcoming back around to it about
100 years ago I guess, and then,like the 1920s, all those, all
those brilliant guys are likeokay, we, it's, it's not about
just the brain, it's not aboutjust the physical part of it,
and so, but then you're goingback, also going back to what
you said about thepharmaceutical industry and
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health industry.
It's not really designed toheal us.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Right, exactly, or or to cure, even right there, it's
there to prolong, you know, andyou know, and even if you look
at you know, cancer treatmentsright, the you know where did we
come up with chemotherapy?
And we saw, you know, in war,what mustard gas did to people
that shrunk their organs, youknow.
Okay, let's go ahead and putmustard gas in people's, in
people's veins, unless there'shope that it kills a disease
(40:22):
before it kills them.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, so what are the things?
I asked you some questions thatyou know in the pre interviewed
, some questions that you haveto be good, and one of the
questions you had was what doesit mean that thoughts weaken the
mind?
So what do you mean?
You say that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I mean, we kind of been talking and dancing around
that idea a lot.
But you know, this is Lao Tzuright, thoughts weaken the mind,
right, that's actually in theDow to Ching Right.
Because when we get soconvinced of our own brilliance,
well then we'll tune out what'sactually true, what's actually
real Right.
Because again, we'll, we'll,we'll be like okay, does that
make logical sense?
And what did Niels Borges say?
Well, you know, are you eventhinking or are you just being
(40:58):
logical?
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Well that's, I think that's ahard concept.
I know it's a hard concept forme and I'm just starting to
really understand.
You know, trying to get out ofthe head so much and and to feel
more into things and to trustthe heart and to tap into that
higher part of ourselves.
So it sounds like, from what Ihear you saying, like the
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meditation that we're doing iskind of quieting that part of us
down so we can hear from ourspirit.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah Well, and then you know, as I guide people, I
can actually tune in, I can tellwhen your mind's active and
that really help guide you toquiet your mind.
So that way, you know, and sothat's one of the benefits of
working with me personallyversus working with like a
recorded meditation is that is,that I can actually help guide
you okay and your mind's active,allow that to go to zero, right
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in order, so you don't blockyourself and then give you, you
know, give you tools for yourmind to focus on in order to
allow it to just quiet down andand just allow your heart to
expand and open up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So that's the thing about work with you personally.
So you're, you're able to pickup on the fact that someone's
mind is still active and thenhelp them to to do that, because
I know a lot of people you knowthey do they struggle with
meditation because they're likeI can't have to stop my thoughts
right.
And then this oh, I'm having athought, and they beat
themselves up over having athought, and you're like, well,
I might as well get up and leavebecause this isn't working
(42:23):
anyway.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
That's such a brilliant point.
And the thing is is it's notabout stopping thoughts, because
if you use thoughts to stopthoughts, well then you're just
thinking Right.
And so you know, if you bringenergy to something, you
energize it.
You bring neutrality tosomething, you neutralize it.
And there's a brilliant man bythe name of Jose Silva.
You ever heard of him?
The Silva method?
I've heard of him, so you know.
(42:46):
The Silva method is this idea ofyou know creating like a window
in your mind and see, you know,the accomplished event outside
of that.
And so you know, I use thatframe for some people who have a
hard time.
You know, quieting their mindis as you close your eyes.
We'll just picture a window andall the thoughts that come
through.
Just imagine their birds orimagine that they're animals
that just float right by thewindow.
(43:07):
You know, thank you for, foryou know, making my view look
better, but I have no interestin following you.
It's not about not havingthoughts, it's about not
following your thoughts.
And because the more that youcan allow your mind to observe
your thoughts without followingyour thoughts, the stronger it
becomes, because the mind ismeant to be an antenna right
like a rudder.
The heart is the source of thesource of power, right, the
(43:31):
heart.
You know, and we measured thisthat the, you know, the heart's
magnetic field extends 3000times further than than the
electrical impulses of the brain.
And then we can look at that.
And since we live in a fractaluniverse, we can look at that in
a planet.
Right, look at Jupiter.
Jupiter is nothing but this.
You know, chaos of electricalstorms.
But, you know, does thatlightning escape the atmosphere?
(43:53):
Not that I've seen, but thatmagnetosphere, right, that comes
from the core, that comes fromits heart.
It extends beyond the asteroidbelt, it extends beyond Mars and
it reaches Earth's orbit.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah and so and so, without the other planets in
there, you know their magnetic,you know the magnetosphere
protecting us from you know thesun's, you know radiation, right
, so it's not just our ozonelayer that protects us, it's
also the other planets as well,and that's, you know.
That's what the idea of the lawof attraction is, that you're
sending the heart signal out toattract it to you.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Okay, so let's talk about the law of attraction,
because that's something that's,I think, kind of intriguing to
people.
And they say and you get peoplefrom both sides, of course,
some people say, well, I've beentrying to practice the law of
attraction.
It's not working for me, youknow, I'm still poor, I'm still
not well.
So how do we?
How do we start to tap intothat?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, I mean such a great question.
And the thing is is, if we'retrying to become abundant and
wealthy and we decide that theonly way to be wealthy is to
have money, well, aren't we justsaying that we're poor and
we're just doubling down on thefact that we're poor?
But if we are then showinggratitude for everything in our
(45:11):
lives, for, you know, isabundance maybe somebody coming
up and giving you a free gift,right?
Is abundance maybe coming up,and somebody you know having an
enlightening conversation, andyou walk away just feeling like,
feeling better, feeling lighter, feeling stronger, right?
And then the more you givegratitude, well, then the more
you know.
It's just like a little kid,right?
Are you going to give a littlekid a giant responsibility or
(45:33):
you give them a smallresponsibility and build them up
for a big responsibility?
And you know the.
You know it seems right.
Again, nobody knows the truth tothe capital T, but it seems and
you know, relying on peoplelike Joe Dispenza, they really
talk about how the you knowquantum, you know quantum realm
is run on a rule set and thatrule set is, you know, if you
can see yourself, as NevilleGoddard even talks about, see,
(45:56):
you know, see yourself, as youknow, the wish already fulfilled
.
But not just see it, feel itright, cause feeling is the
secret.
And so imagine, you know, thatyou know your goal is to get a
house right, your dream house,and that dream house, you know
what would it feel like to be inthat house the day after you
(46:16):
signed all the paperwork right?
Maybe your family's there,maybe you can smell the smells
right, and the more, the morevariables you can put in there
and the more that you're goingto attract it to you.
And this is the way that thelaw of attraction has been, has
been brought to me and you knowand been, you know, told to me.
And to kind of share a bit ofan anecdote, you know, I, you
(46:37):
know we don't always get to seearound the bend in the river, so
things can, can show up asabundance and we don't
necessarily understand that it'sabundant yet.
And you know I joined a coachingprogram with a man by the name
of Pete Vargas and it was astage to scale and you know.
So I'm going through this andyou know I'm doing my
manifestation.
(46:57):
You know stuff you know daily,and at the end of this coaching
program, right, and bunch ofpeople there.
But he said hey, we're going todo something we've never done
before.
We're going to give you guys a5k gift.
Okay, well, that wasn't 5k inmy wallet, but it was 5k gift.
And he said oh, you know what?
You, you just have to make itto Miami or Denver.
Okay, well, you know what?
There's a, there's, you know, afriend of mine who I'd really
(47:20):
like to connect with in Denver,and then only that.
But I was just interviewed bysomebody you know on their
podcasts and they said hey, letme know if you're ever in Denver
, hmm, okay.
So I reached out to him and sayhey, guess what?
I'm going to be in Denver.
He said, oh, great man, I'll goahead and put you in my guest
bedroom.
Oh well, look at that Anothergift.
And then, when I was at theworkshop there in Denver, you
(47:41):
know, as I was about to leavethe first day, he texted me and
said hey, I'm at my friend'shouse, he's come over.
Okay, well, that's good timing.
And then he said hey, I'm goingto go over there.
Well, she's suffering from Lymedisease.
Not only that, but she's got awhole, you know, a whole slew of
people in her you know fieldwho can need my, need, my help.
And so, as I'm talking to her,you know we are in a lot of
alignment and I started workingwith her and now she's already
(48:03):
reached out to her friends andher friends are already showing
interest in working with me.
And so abundance may not justbe that a you know suitcase full
of cash is going to fall intoyour life, right.
So it's a matter of trainingyour particular activating
system to be grateful for youknow, if you're, if you are, you
know, trying to manifestabundance and something good
happens for you think it showgratitude, so something else can
(48:25):
.
So you're reinforcing that, sosomething else can come in, you
know, bigger and better andgreater, and start building
momentum.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
I love that.
Thank you for that story.
I think that's really importantand it's it's an understanding
I just recently came to.
I just was I forgot what it wasI was reading very recently in
the last couple of weeks, andthey were talking about
different forms of abundance,because we tend to think of
abundance as money, right, as asas stuff like that, but it's
that you can have the abundanceof great communications, as you,
(48:54):
as you brought up, or you know,someone might give you a gift.
You know it could come in thatform and we all most of us, we
all pretty much have abundancein very in various ways in our
lives.
We tend to focus on what wedon't have.
So even those people that havea lot of wealth, then they tend
to focus on other things thatthat they don't have.
(49:16):
There they might be extremelylonely and that gratitude
practice that you talked about,which I think is really
important understanding.
Okay, yeah, I do have a lotgoing on for me and this might
come to me in a different formas and it's kind of actually, it
was more fun when it comes touniform, like it did for you
(49:36):
that whole roundabout thing.
It just it's makes it moreinteresting.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Well, not only that, but it's also the way that that
life works.
Right, there's no such thing asa straight line, except in the
mind of a human Right, we saythe shortest distance between it
, you know, to any two points isa straight line.
Well, try driving to thegrocery store in a straight line
and see how long it works.
Yeah Right, and just like ariver it winds.
The thing is, is we may, we maybe, you know, trying to
(50:02):
manifest abundance, and then,you know, scarcity pops up.
Well then, what do we do?
Do we react to our outer worldor do we realize that it's our
inner world?
Consciousness, right, would MaxPlanck say, consciousness is
primary.
So then, if we close our eyesand say, okay, I don't see
beyond this bend in the river,so that must mean that that in a
non-linear dynamic, somethingbetter, there's a shortcut here.
(50:25):
I just don't that, I just don'tsee.
So something great is happeningfor me.
And if we already know thatwe're on the right river of life
, and we know it's in tickets toour destination, but it bends
in a way in which iscounterintuitive, do we really
freak out if we already knowthat we're on the right river?
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah, that's a really good point too, because you
know again, the older, the olderI get, the more I can see that
the things that I thought weredetours or obstacles actually
led to, led me to a better place.
But at the time I couldn't seeit, and that's that's that,
that's the trust, that's thefaith that we're on the right
(51:02):
river right.
So when you're on a river andthe river is flowing, you don't
really have to do anything.
The river is going to take youto where you, where you need to
be.
So we don't have to, we don'thave to fight, we can just kind
of enjoy the ride, yeah 100%.
So, joshua, how do people, ifthey want to reach you, they
want to work with you, how dopeople work with you?
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, well, again that same website,
freemeafrompainscom right, it'sa landing page with a few
testimonials so you can see whatother people are saying, and
there's a great way to downloadthat free gift and that's a
great way to just go ahead andget started.
You get started with this.
If you already know for a fact,hey, I need to reach out to
this guy.
Well then you'll see a buttonthere to set up a healing plan
(51:43):
and then we can go from there.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, that sounds great.
So it's freemeafrompainscom.
Yep.
People can reach you there.
Joshua, thanks so much forbeing here today.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
I think it's going to I knowit's going to help a lot of
people to really open up topossibilities.
You know how, because you knowwe can become so frustrated with
certain things in our lives andwe go to these so-called
(52:08):
experts that are helping.
So this is an alternative oractually supplement to whatever
people are doing.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Well, and the thing is is I was so hardheaded for so
long, I was so convinced of mybrilliance, right, I was right
there in the depths of you knowwhat Jordan Peterson would say,
that Luciferian intellect thatonly made my life worse, and you
know, and so there's nothingspecial about me.
I just simply had the rightmentors, that's it, just like.
You know, if you look at peoplewho are succeed in business,
well, it's probably because theyalso had the right mentors.
(52:37):
And so, again, it's all aboutyou know who you learn it from.
And so nothing special about me.
If you want to, you know, learnhow to heal.
Well then reach out.
Let's get you on that path.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Sounds great.
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, my pleasure.
Thank you for holding the space.
Really appreciate it.
It's been a great conversation.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Thanks for having me See you tomorrow afternoon.
Bye.
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