Unearthing Intuition Following Loss: Sarina Baptista's Path to Mediumship

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Can you imagine unearthing your intuitive abilities following a heart-wrenching loss? My recent heartfelt discussion with the impressive Serena Baptista, an award-winning author, international speaker, spiritual teacher, and evidential psychic medium, explores this journey. Serena candidly shared the story of how her son, JT, who tragically left us at the tender age of seven, guided her toward the discovery of her gifts and purpose.

We navigated the realms of mediumship, spirituality, and the afterlife, sharing our personal journeys. Serena provided fascinating insights into her book and her ongoing conversations with JT, sparking a dialogue about the profound, universal questions that arise when a child departs too early. Not shying away from tough topics, we explored the issue of suicide, the extra love and compassion shown to these souls on the other side, and their role in guiding those considering the same path.

To wrap up, we delved into how we can establish a connection with our guides and recognize the signs they offer. The importance of meditation was emphasized, as well as setting an intention to connect with high-frequency assistance exclusively. Our guides communicate in various ways, ranging from number sequences to dreams, and these means of connection can evolve. This episode offers enlightening perspectives, and tools for connection and underlines the significance of creating a safe space during our spiritual explorations. Join us for this riveting conversation and deepen your understanding of the afterlife, mediumship, and the enduring bonds of love.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everybody.
This is Brian, back withanother episode of Grief to
Growth, and today I've got withme Serena Baptista.
She's an award-winning author.
She's an international speaker,a spiritual teacher and she's
an evidential psychic medium.
Her latest book is called myView from Heaven.
It's a 2019 COVR VisionaryAwards Bronze Recipient in the
Iconic Book category and the2021 Speak Up Talk Radio

(00:23):
Firebird Book Award winner inthree categories, so it's a
highly claimed book.
She's a speaker feature for theLife, Death and Beyond
International Conference inGreece and she teaches classes
and she's a visiting medium atLillydale, New York, during
their summer program.
She's a presenter at ION'sconferences.
She and I have been on a paneltogether and she's created many
training programs, includingspiritual mentoring, non-Dexence

(00:46):
training, workshops andretreats.
She discovered her giftsthrough her own tragedy the
passing of her seven-year-oldson, JT, in March of 2007.
And she learned that her sondidn't really die, but he was
still very close, and that ledher to incredible gifts.
So Serena says it's her missionto help you find purpose and
connection to your highestdivine self, to create the

(01:08):
bridge for conversations withloved ones who have passed and
to mentor psychics, and also tomentor psychics and mediums to
be master messengers.
So with that I want to welcomethe Grief to Growth, Serena
Baptista.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Hello.
Thank you so much, Brian.
It is so wonderful to be hereon your program.
You and I have a similarhistory in how we found
ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, absolutely, and I want to talk about JT and
first of all tell me about JT.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh my gosh.
He was such a beautiful,beautiful soul here, and he
obviously is a beautiful soulwhere he is now.
He left at seven and what ayoung age.
It was not, of course, anything, as you know not anything that
any parent ever expects toexperience and just sent our

(01:58):
whole family into this pit, youknow, into a pit of grief, and
we just didn't really know whowe were anymore.
But throughout the entireprocess, I could feel him.
I knew he was close.
I didn't even know what thatmeant, though, and I kept
looking for him.
I kept saying where are you?

(02:18):
I know you're out theresomewhere, where are you?
And he would drop these littlebreadcrumbs for me to search for
him and to find him.
It was really ingenious what hewas doing, and you know we think
of them.
As you know, I thought of himas a little seven-year-old, but
he really wasn't at that point.
He was this master soul, is amaster soul, and he, his purpose

(02:42):
, was to guide me to who I am,which is a psychic medium, and
I'm here to help others.
He is a he's now my masterguide and is just an incredible,
incredible force.
He comes to all of my students,and if you do read the book my
View from Heaven that waswritten by him, and if you do
read that, then he will alsovisit you as well, if you are

(03:04):
open to that, which I think isso cool, and I get stories all
the time about him.
I was reading your book and,and JT was right there and he
showed me he was there by doingthis, that and the other, so
he's he's definitely a force onthe other side, for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
So, if you don't mind , tell me how he passed at seven
years old, that's, I know.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
yes both yes, he and my daughter, who was five at the
time.
They both caught the flu and Ihad no idea that his was going
to be deadly.
I didn't have any idea.
You think, oh, kids get the fluright.
And his sister actually had avery high fever.

(03:47):
I was more.
She was throwing up, I was moreconcerned about her.
He was just uncomfortable.
He was very uncomfortable andso I would monitor him, monitor
her.
But then what happened?
On that Thursday evening, beforehe passed, I got food poisoning
because I was thinking abouttaking him to the hospital.

(04:09):
It just wasn't getting better.
And I was thinking about it andI got food poisoning and I was
laid out.
I had a fever, I was convulsing.
I mean, it was one of thosethings that the universe really
made sure I did not go anywhere.
And all of that broke at about11 pm on that Thursday night and
so I immediately went in,checked on my daughter.

(04:31):
She was sleeping.
Jt was restless, he wasn'tsleeping.
So I just hung out with him andwe even went for a car ride at
2 am just to try to calm himdown, chill him out.
Nothing was really working.
He was very restless and it wasabout 3 am.
When we were both in his roomand he said to me I was laying

(04:56):
in the bed next to him becausehis brother and he shared a room
, but his brother was downstairs.
I didn't want him to getexposed to any of this.
And he said to me go to yourroom, mom.
And I said oh, you want to cometo the big bed, let's see if we
can get you comfortable.
He says no, you go, I want towatch TV.
He knew I couldn't sleep whenthe TV was on and that was

(05:20):
definitely the cue from somebody.
Somebody gave him that to getme out of the room, otherwise I
never would have left.
That was my baby.
He was my firstborn, butdefinitely a mama's boy, and he
would never have sent me out ofthe room.
He wanted me to be close to himall the time.
So I, after having foodpoisoning all day and being very

(05:46):
, very tired, I said OK, I'mgoing to go.
I'll go to my room.
I'll check on you in just alittle bit.
I went to my room and went tosleep for just two hours.
That was it, just two hours.
I woke up and went to.
I was walking across my room andI just had this thought what if

(06:07):
I go in there and he's notalive?
Now, where does this come from?
Because I, up until this point,it was this is just a standard
flu.
We just have to get him throughit.
He's just uncomfortable.
The flu doesn't kill kids,right, he's a strong kid.
And so the thought just of thatstartled me, shocked me.

(06:30):
I said, no, I'm not, I'm notgoing there.
I went to his doorway and hewas very peaceful, but he was
also hanging partially off thebed and I thought, well, that's
odd.
And then I saw his chest wasn'tmoving and at that point I
realized that what I had thoughtbefore was probably what had

(06:53):
happened Screamed for my husband.
He came up.
Jt was a big boy, for beingseven, he was a pretty big kid.
So my husband got him on theground, I started CPR and my
husband called 911.
And as I was doing CPR I couldsense that JT wasn't there

(07:17):
anymore, and again I had no ideahow I knew this.
I continued until the policecame.
They took over doing the CPR,then EMS came, the fire trucks
came, and this was all at six inthe morning, and so they worked
on him for 45 minutes here andtried to get him back.

(07:41):
And then they took him to thehospital and worked on him for
another hour trying to get himback and at that point,
obviously, he had decided not tocome back as much as I pleaded
and screamed at him driving tothe hospital.
I screamed to get back and comeback to me, and I was sure that

(08:06):
he would do that.
I mean, this doesn't happen,right, this doesn't happen.
We were in this alternatereality where this happened.
You just never think.
You just never think in yourwildest dreams that this would
happen.
But it did, yes.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
It sounds almost exactly like our story.
Wow, yeah, with Shayna.
Well, it wasn't flu, she justdidn't wake up one morning.
But you know I went for a walkthat morning and I came back and
I was in my office working andmy wife had been trying to reach
her by text because Shayna wassupposed to work.
We have a business in the homeand Shayna was supposed to come

(08:47):
down to work and it was kidneyprayer late and Twana thought
she's just sleeping in and wewent in and you know she wasn't
responding.
So I know that feeling CPRyelling at the top of my lungs,
thinking maybe sometimes youhear me and come back yes, Going
to the hospital and for me, youknow, just like not accepting

(09:07):
the fact that she wasn't comingback.
It's like I, even though Ishould have known intellectually
, because she hadn't beenbreathing for at that point
Nobody knows how long, but theyworked on her for quite a while.
So, as you're telling that itfor her parents who have gone
through this, you know youunderstand what we're talking
about.
It's just, it's like surreal.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
It is surreal, absolutely surreal.
And I even asked the officer,because the ambulance left with
JT.
I didn't even know it, I wasn'teven dressed yet.
So I went up, threw on someclothes and came back down and I
said what are his chances?
And he hemmed, and hot, youknow.
He knew, but he didn't want tosay it.

(09:47):
So he said well, he was still alittle warm, and so I held on
to that.
Yeah, and while they wereworking on him, I'm in my
bedroom, I'm screaming at him,and I don't know if they, if
they hear that, you know, Ithought that they would think
that I was not screaming at mychild to get back into his body.
But that's what I was doing atthe time.

(10:08):
Again, I wasn't a medium.
Well, I surely was, but Ididn't know.
I was a medium, didn't know, Iwas psychic.
I just was trying to pull outall the stops and get that kid
back, and he had other plans,obviously.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, yeah.
So what were your beliefs atthat time?
In terms of you weren't amedium yet, so what were your
beliefs about what happens whenwe pass?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I do.
I did believe that we hadsomething after this.
There was enough evidence.
I had enough experiences in mylife.
My step brother passed when Iwas 17 and came to me in dreams
and visions and all of that, andso I knew that there was
something after and I knew itwas beautiful.

(10:52):
I didn't know what the extentwas, I didn't know how they got
there or anything like that, butyou know as well as I do and
other people who are listeningwho have lost children.
Once that happens, everythingthat you believed, everything
that you thought was real andtrue, is demolished, it is

(11:13):
leveled, and you have to rebuildthat, and that's what I found
myself doing.
Well, what are my beliefs?
Where is my son?
How do I get back to him?
How do I find him?
And again, I knew that he wasthere.
I could just sense that, but Ididn't know how to find him.
And again, thanks to histenacity, he was very determined

(11:36):
in getting me the books that Ineeded to read and the people
who I needed to know and beintroduced to, and all of that.
It was a boom, boom, boomprocess and before I knew it, I
had found him.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I had found him, so he brought books to people and
things into your life.
That happened first or did themediumship happen first?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
No, that happened first I don't know if I would
have found the mediumshipwithout that.
The one book that really reallyopened my eyes was Journey of
Souls by Michael Newton, phd.
And I was reading that anddecided that I needed to have
one of those life-between-lifeaggressions.
And to see, because everybody Ihad intuitive friends again I

(12:22):
didn't think I was intuitiveintuitive friends say oh, he's
got big plans for you.
You agreed to this and I reallywanted to slap them.
I don't know if people told youthat, but I wanted to slap them
because I'm like what do youmean?
I agreed to this.
I agreed to have my son diefrom the flu.
What was I thinking if that wasthe case?

(12:43):
So he brought Journey of Soulsto me and I read that and I said
I have to have one of theselife-between-life regressions.
And so I contacted the LBLperson that was in my area in
Colorado at the time and on thephone message they said well,
there's a six-month wait and allof that.

(13:05):
And I thought, oh gosh, well,I'm just going to go ahead and
leave my number anyway, becauseI have to get this done.
Within two minutes they hadcalled me back and said they had
a cancellation for thefollowing week and did.
I want it, and at that pointI'm saying, oh yeah, yes, yes,
yes, I have to find theseanswers, I have to figure this

(13:26):
out.
And so I did.
I went to thelife-between-lives regression
and it was an off the wall, offthe charts experience.
I found him again.
I did see that.
I agreed to it.
In fact, he showed me thisvision of us, the soul family,

(13:50):
sitting around a table and mesaying oh yeah, that sounds like
a great idea, let's do it.
I heard myself saying that,knowing that it was.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Was it your idea or his idea?
I'm just going to have to ask.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
It was his idea.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I think it was the same though I was just agreeing
to it.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I was agreeing that, yes, this is a great idea, let's
do this.
And once I saw that in thatlife-between-lives regression, I
thought, okay, I didn'tunderstand it.
I didn't understand contractsat the time or anything like
that but I learned.
I learned very quickly fromthat moment forward and I did

(14:27):
more research.
I'm an engineer.
By previous life, I was asoftware engineer and so I have
that mindset of research andanalyze and all of that.
So I went there in order tofind the intuitive and open

(14:47):
myself up.
But that was really thebeginning.
Was that life-between-livesregression?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
So then, what was your first experience with
mediumship?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
So then I had a.
After that I was led to have amediumship reading by someone.
It was a phone reading.
I had never met this person.
They were in California, I wasin Colorado, I was through a
friend.
I never recommend opening upthe yellow pages and doing the

(15:16):
psychic's RS.
I wanted to understand that itwas someone who they had
previous experience with them.
I was very skeptical.
I really was.
So I had this session and thefirst thing she didn't even say
anything about JT.
She said I have your guideshere and they say you have a

(15:40):
contract that you're doing acontract.
I said well, I'm not really.
She says you're not signing fora house or anything like that.
I said no, and she said oh,this is your contract.
I had no idea what she wastalking about.
She says it has very thick inkon it.
And then she said did you knowyou were a medium?
You're just like me.

(16:01):
You are the bridge between thisworld and the next.
And I said I had no idea.
What do you do?
Do you just wake up and you canstart talking to dead people?
I mean, how does that work?
And she says training, training, training.
And so we talked for a bit.
I did get into training rightaway and my abilities flew in.

(16:26):
It was so fast.
I didn't even know what I wasdoing.
It was one of those situationswhere kids started coming to me
from the other side to getmessages to their parents.
I didn't know about boundaries,I didn't know about, I couldn't
even hear clearly yet, andClaire audiences is one of my
dominant Claire's and I reallyhadn't expanded that yet and so

(16:50):
I was just flying blind.
But I did it and I continued todo it and to get those messages
.
Edit yeah, that's so, did youjust?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, that's so.
Did you?
Just you start taking trainingand then you opened up?
Or when she told you were amedium, then that's when you
opened up.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, that's a very good question.
You know, I do feel that onceshe told me I was a medium, I
was open to it but it reallywasn't until I went into the
training that I could experienceit, because we all have the
Claire's.
We all have hearing, feeling,seeing and knowing.
And mine at the time wasfeeling I could feel everything

(17:39):
and I could feel JT around.
But there wasn't thatcommunication, there wasn't that
connection.
And so it wasn't until I gotinto training, where I trained
my other players to hear mainly,and and then that's when things
really opened up and I couldstart hearing from the other

(18:01):
side.
And that's one thing that themedium said in that very first
Session that we had together.
She said oh, your guides tellme you can hear them Started
laughing.
I said I can't hear them.
What do you mean I can hearthem.
And at that moment, in a strongmale voice in my head I heard

(18:22):
yes, you can hear us.
And it was a little freaky atthe time because I had just
discovered who I was.
But at that point I said, okay,I guess I can hear.
And that became again mydominant Claire.
But I had to train it.
I did not just, I didn't justopen, I needed to open it.
And that's probably because youknow, as a child we have to

(18:45):
block those things.
I feel we all come in with ourabilities but we have to block
them because of parental thingsand societal things and all of
that.
So it took me a little bit oftime to pry that open.
But once it opened and oncethat switch was flipped, it was
so clear I could hear JT and Icould hear others, just like

(19:06):
they were in front of me orbeside me.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
So have you identified guides besides JT?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh, yes, definitely, and the team that I have it
changes Definitely dependingupon what I need at the time.
And so now I just say, okay,whatever guide can help me in
this moment, please come andhelp me, and they're right there
and they talk with me.
I've had different teams comein and out During my training,

(19:32):
during my learning, and now Ihave teams that come in for how
I train others, because I do themediumship training and also a
lot of other training at Kasha,records and things like that,
and that's all done by them.
I never say that that I am the,I am the one doing it.

(19:53):
I say I'm the facilitator andthey are the ones the master
teachers on the other side,they're the ones that are
actually doing the doing, theteaching and the training.
So it's.
It's a wonderful, wonderfulconnection, wonderful process
that they have, that they usewith me, and I just love it.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So at what point did you get the idea for the book?
Did that come from JT?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
That came from JT.
I had written two books priorto that and After, right after
that, second one was published.
Jt said okay, now it's my turn,now it's my book.
I want a book, I want you towrite a book.
And I thought, well, I just gotthis one out.

(20:37):
Can we just, can we just take amoment?
Can we just take a step backfor a second?
He said nope, I've got to getthis out.
And I said okay, how is thisgonna look?
You say you're gonna write this.
How does that look?
He says well, you know how totalk to me, you know how to
channel that information.
And so what I would do is Iwould have a microphone set up,

(21:01):
word document up, the voice totext set up on the computer, and
then I would just speak, Iwould meditate and I would say
okay, jt, what do you want totalk about?
And I would just speak it intothe microphone and Obviously,
and then it would go on to theword document and have to go
back in and make some edits, ofcourse, and say, okay, jt, did

(21:25):
you really mean to say this?
And the concepts that he wastalking about, they were pretty
wild.
I mean, they were things thatyou don't ordinarily hear about
in mainstream Books and thingslike that.
You do hear about them in, youknow, spirituality books and and
all of that.
You know the mind-body spiritstuff.

(21:45):
But at the time I mean, this was, you know, a while back now,
and at the time it was very newinformation to me.
So he would give me somethinghe would, I would speak it on to
the paper and then I would sayyou know what?
But I've got to take a breakhere.
I need to let this assimilatebecause this is really blowing

(22:07):
my mind, and so I'd have to stop, go like out in the garden or
something along those lines andget my feet in, you know,
grounded on To the grass and andI say, okay, what does this all
mean?
What does this mean?
Again, some of these thingsabout you know where he is and
how we come here and when wecome from originally and all of

(22:30):
that, that it just, yeah, it was, it was a lot.
Yeah now I understand it.
You know, after all these years, it's it.
Now I understand it, and a lotof people are saying the same
things as he said back then.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
So yeah, I get it so tell me about some of the
concepts that surprised you, asJT was telling them to you.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, part of it.
You know the whole bit aboutwhere we are from.
You know that we're not reallyfrom here, we're from elsewhere
and we come here to help theearth, to assist in, you know,
raising frequency and gettingand getting people back to who
they truly are and Instead ofinstead of just the physicalness

(23:15):
of people, really bringing backthat spiritual piece for people
.
And you know it seems like asimple thing, right that?
Well, sure, where you know we,we had to originate somewhere,
but it really did take me a bitto understand.
I did believe in, again, pastlives and and that in between

(23:36):
state, but I didn't have aconcept of what came before that
, and so he assisted me inunderstanding that you know that
we do come from other placesand that we've all come together
here now in a very special time, in a very special time to
assist the planet and To againget people to understand that

(24:01):
they are so much more than justtheir incarnations.
That one was a big one.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now the question that a lot of us have, especially
when we lose children young,it's like what are they doing?
What's a?
What's it like for them?
And and my daughter was 15, soshe was Teenager she's that in
between times she's not quite anadult, she's still not quite a
child, but a seven-year-oldstill a child.
So I'm sure you were concerned,like where is it he's taking

(24:28):
care of him.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yes, yes.
Well, you know the crazy thingsthat go through your mind.
You know I was in Colorado atthe time and we had buried him
and it snowed and I wasConcerned he was cold.
You know those crazy thingsthat parents think of.
And and I know I'm not the onlyand you know I had to shake

(24:50):
myself out of that, going, no,he's okay, he's okay, he's not
cold, and, yeah, trying to findhim again or trying to
understand, yeah, what he'sdoing and all of that.
He had some great stories,though Once I did connect with
him and could hear him, we couldhave a conversation.
I would say what are you doingnow?
And he would show me in hishands this ball of fire and he

(25:15):
says I'm creating.
And I I would say what do youmean You're creating?
How are you doing this?
And he says we can do this.
Whatever we think of becomesreality.
It's.
It's just you think of it andit and it exists.
And so I am creating now andI've got this, I've got this
ball of fire that I'm creatingfrom, and and.

(25:37):
That again kind of blew me away,because you think of the
standard thing and when my dadleft and all of that, oh, he's,
you know, he's in heaven, he's,he's in this very special place
and he's doing the same thingsthat he was doing here.
And and I do believe that for atime period we do have that, we
have that Ability to stay inthat frequency and to create.

(26:03):
I, like my dad did, my dadcreated a house for himself and
he was very attached to physicaland he left very young he was
only 56 when he laughed and hereally felt cheated that he had
to leave so early.
So he did stay in thatfrequency of where you're like

(26:24):
you create your own, your ownearth-like things.
And after JT left and I did getconnection with both of them,
jt lived with him for a bit andso they would come together and
it would be both JT and my dad.
And then one day JT came withoutmy father and I said where's

(26:47):
grandpa?
And he says, oh, I don't livewith him anymore.
And I said, well, why not?
And he says I don't need thatanymore and so, but my dad did,
his grandfather did need thatNow since then that was
obviously years ago.
Since then my father has racistfrequency and not required that

(27:08):
now, but he did for a very,very long time.
He required that idea of thephysicalness.
But we can do that.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, you know, that's a really interesting
concept, serena, that I like totalk about, because there's
confusion about what's the likeof the afterlife.
Some people say it's kind ofearth-like and we can do the
things that we do here.
Other people say, well, weimmediately become these balls
of energy and, you know, wemerge into the one.
So I kind of hear you saying itsounds like your father was in
that physical state for a while,as long as he wanted it or

(27:41):
needed it, and then maybe hewanted to help with something
else.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yes, exactly, and that's how JT explains it to me
is that everybody is okay, youknow, everybody can be where
they're at.
There's no rush to go throughthese transitions, no rush to
get to that higher frequency.
A lot of people like JT, veryhigh energy master soul.

(28:05):
He did spend some time with mydad.
I think it was more for me,honestly.
I don't think he needed to bethere.
I think that he did that so Icould warm up to the idea of
these layers and that's how heexplains it to me these
different layers.
He talks about that in the book.
You know these different layersof consciousness and that one

(28:30):
was a really interesting conceptfor me too, very interesting to
try and figure that out, to tryand figure out the different.
You know what does that mean?
You know different layers ofconsciousness for someone.
But my dad, again, was aperfect example that he needed
to be in that Earth-likefrequency, stayed there.

(28:52):
He was what they call crossoverthere are those, of course, who
choose to stay in our frequency, and you know that and not kind
of crossover into the higherfrequencies.
He had but was still wantingthat house, was wanting the
physical pleasures of the Earth.

(29:13):
You know that he didn't haveanymore, whereas JT was like,
yeah, I'm done with that.
I just did that for you, mom.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, well, you know that brings up a concept that
you know we hear about theastral plane and I kind of think
that the astral plane and Iknow people say that's kind of a
reflection of Earth.
The Earth is a reflection ofthat, however you want to view
it Right.
And again, I don't thinkthere's any judgment for people
that say I do physical stuffright, I enjoy, I want to have a

(29:40):
nice house or a car, maybethings that we were in there,
earthly incarnation.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Exactly Right, and that's exactly where my dad was.
Again, he was very touched tophysical when he was here and
leaving so early.
You know 56.
He had just retired.
It was really it was, and hehad a very uncomfortable passing
too.
It was liver cancer and it wasvery uncomfortable.
So I can totally understand whyhe would want to stay in that

(30:10):
frequency.
But again, he is now, you know,higher frequency with.
You know, with JT moving on up,you know, moving on up, that I
don't really want to call it aladder, but because there's no,
you know, there's not really ahierarchy, but it is a, it's an
intenseness of energy, is what Ilook, is how I look at it.

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Yeah, I also kind of pushedback against the layers, as if
one is better than the other orhigher than the other.
I think they're different.
Yes, and again, I think it'swhat we want and we feel

(31:15):
comfortable with.
Yes, one concern again thatparents have, especially when a
child passes, is you know, werethey scared?
Did they suffer?
Were they alone?
What impressions do you have ofthat from JT and from other
children that have come to you?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
First, they're never alone, ever, ever, ever.
They are always accompanied bysomeone.
For JT, it was actually thisenergy named Hope, and it was.
I had no idea at the time thathe was a twin, and I would say I

(31:53):
don't want to say a physicaltwin, I want to say an energetic
twin.
They were both in the womb, butshe never materialized.
He did, but he knew he wascoming in and not sticking
around and needed kind of alittle bit more assistance in
acclimating, and so she stayedwith him in the womb for a good

(32:17):
amount of time and then left,and he tells me that it was her
that came to him the night thathe was, the night before he was
leaving, to get me out of theroom and to say it's okay, we're
going to take care of this,you're going to.

(32:38):
You know this is what'shappening, but you know how to
do this, and I'm sure this wasall on a subconscious level.
It was so interesting, though,that week prior prior to him
getting sick he got sick on aMonday and then passed on Friday
.
Prior to that, though, likemaybe the two weeks prior, he

(32:59):
suddenly grew up.
You know, he became serious.
He was a seven-year-old, and hebecame serious and I thought
this is odd.
This is odd for him to be soserious and I really do feel
they were prepping him as timewas going on and I, even about a

(33:23):
week before he left, I had adream about a death, but I
thought it was mine.
I thought that I was the onethat was going to leave and I
immediately said oh heck, no,this is not going to happen.
I've got these three littlebabies who need me, but I had no
idea that they were prepping mein that dream for him leaving

(33:46):
too.
So they're never alone,absolutely not, do they?
You know?
Are they afraid?
Usually not, because, again,someone like JT, seven years old
, who knows he's not going to betransitioning because he's not
alone and because of the immensefeelings of love and comfort

(34:10):
and all of that from theuniverse supporting that energy,
no matter how old they are, butespecially the kids, then you
know he was not scared.
He didn't want to leave me.
You know, that was the bigthing that he said.
I did not want to leave you,but I had to go.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, you made the comment earlier.
You said that when you werecalling out for him he had
decided that he wasn't comingback.
So you know.
Again, a question I get from alot of parents is wasn't their
decision to go?
Because we hear some near-deathexperiences say that I had a
choice.
And then parents will sometimesbe upset and they will say well
, my daughter would have neverchosen to leave, she wouldn't

(34:49):
leave me, which we don't know.
That because I think mydaughter would have left me
because she liked having a goodtime.
I think if someone showed Shaynaa good time, she'd be like okay
, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I'm going to go.
Yes, well, it was veryinteresting.
Just a few days after he left Iwas sitting at my desk and I
was pondering why?
Why did this happen?
I knew that there was a reasonbecause, again, my daughter was

(35:18):
also ill.
She also had a higher fever,but she was fine at that point
she recovered, she bounced back,she was fine.
And so I thought I know,somebody knows.
I know somebody knows why.
And I looked down at my desk andthere was a phone number list
and I had printed out friendsand family, because we had a

(35:41):
whole bunch of people descend onthe house and I just turned the
list over to somebody.
There was no way I was going tocall these people and tell them
that my son had just died.
I just couldn't do it.
There were very few people thatI could do that with.
And so there was a list printedout and I said somebody on this
list knows.
And I ran my finger down Again.
I had no idea why I would eventhink of this.

(36:03):
I ran my finger down and Istopped on a number and I said
she knows, and it was the motherof a friend of mine, the
friends in California, moms inCalifornia.
I had only met her maybe onceor twice.
I think she met JT once.
That was it.
So it wasn't somebody I wassuper close to.
But I called the number.
Her husband answered and I saidit's Serena.

(36:26):
He said hold on, he knewexactly that I was calling for
his wife.
She gets on the phone and Isaid I didn't even say hello, I
just said why.
And she said well, go get apaper and pen because JT visited
me last night and he has amessage for you, and that I get

(36:48):
chills when I think about it nowthat that was huge.
So I did, I got a piece of paper, got a pen, and the things that
he said were that again that hedidn't want to go, he didn't
want to leave me.
He tried twice before to go.
He couldn't go those times, butthis time he had to go and at

(37:11):
the time I didn't understand it.
There were a couple othermessages about how he loves me
and that I did everythingperfectly, which I needed to
hear, because not getting him tothe hospital was gnawing at me,
that guilt.
If I had gotten him to thehospital, would he still be here
?
And he tells me of course now,no, because it was done and he

(37:31):
wanted to leave from the house.
He didn't want to leave in thehospital.
Not to say that other kids, Icertainly don't want to say that
if you do take your child tothe hospital, that that's a bad
thing.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
No way.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's just, this is how he chose to go, and I mean
it was a choice that whole foodpoisoning, so I couldn't get him
there and I was exhausted andall of that.
That was all a plan because hedid not want to go.
But what he said, when he said,you know, this was the third
time that I had to go I askedhim later because at the time,

(38:05):
of course, it was just a fewdays after he had left didn't
know, I was a medium.
And so, finally, when I did getconnection with him, I said
what did you mean by this?
What did you mean by this wasthat you tried twice before and
this was your last time and youhad to go.
They said, well, I had threeexits.
I chose not to go on thoseother two, but that was my final

(38:28):
exit.
And so, at seven years old,that was his final exit.
For each of us it's differentright For our kids, the kids
that leave early that you canassume that it was an exit or a
final exit, because nobodyleaves unless it's their exit.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, that you know.
As you were saying that, itreminded me of Shayna.
She had a heart condition knownas Wolf Parkinson's white,
which is a oh, wow.
And not a really seriouscondition for most people.
Most people live for with itfor a very long time.
And she had actually very mildform of it and that had a couple
surgeries and they said it was,it was fine, it was gonna be
okay.
But when she first told usabout, she talked about having

(39:10):
an experience where sheeverything turned gray and
started swimming and stuff.
And you know I am wondering outthat was, you know, maybe one
of her exit points that shedecided not to go, that was a
couple of years, probably before, when she did finally leave.
Wow.
But there's a lot of importantthings about what you said.
You know we think of exitpoints and we think they're all

(39:31):
later in life, but for some ofus they are earlier Right, and a
lot of parents have guiltaround their child's passing and
it doesn't matter how theypassed right.
Talk to enough parents.
It can be cancer, it can besuicide, it could be drug
overdose, it could be anaccident.
Somehow, as parents, we alwaysfind a way to take
responsibility.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
It is our fault.
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
It's not our fault, but that's certainly where we go
with this right, but thatunderstanding that they have
their own life plan.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
I mean it's parents, yes, feel and we're not.
We know we're not supposed tolike we own our children, but we
do.
We feel like we're responsiblefor their.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Their hours.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
They belong to us exactly and we don't, when we
forget sometimes they have theirown soul plans and they they
have their own exit points andthey have their own things that
they're here to learn and theirown things that they're here to
teach.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yes, and one thing that I did learn in all of the
People with whom I speak now,who are on the other side, of
course, I talked to a lot ofkids, because that's where my
foundation is is to help parentsright, and those kids, all of
them, not, not one single onesaid oh yeah, this could have
been prevented.
Not one single one said that.

(40:45):
They all said, no, it was mytime, it was my time to go.
Even the suicides, like you say, those who take their own life,
there still is a plan.
There's still a plan, whetheror not they would have left then
or a week from then.
Right, there's still the exit,because we also know of all of

(41:06):
those what we call failedsuicides, where they weren't
successful.
Those are truly the times wherethey were not supposed to go
and they were supposed to stayhere, very, very clearly.
So those who do leave by that,by that method, that's their
time too, and I know that's areally tough concept, especially

(41:28):
for parents and they're holdingon to it or they're blaming.
You know they might be blamingSomebody else for it, like
overdoses, things like that,blaming the dealers or blaming
the friends who provided thedrugs and Honestly and I know
that it's not a cop out at all,but honestly, from all of those
kids and JT and the higher soulsthat I talked to there's, there

(41:53):
was always that plan in place.
Now it doesn't mean that we allleave by.
You know that we say, oh, I'mgonna die by getting hit by a
bus.
You know if there are someleeway there, there's some
options there.
So even if they say I'm goingto leave by illness this time
around, they can come into thisincarnation and change it up if

(42:15):
they want, you know, with theirhigher selves, with their higher
, higher souls, and and shift ita little bit.
But the time frames are goingto be the same.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I Thank you for saying that because I, even
though my child didn't pass bysuicide, it's one of my passions
that there's so much guilt andthere's so much shame around
suicide, for for the person whoTook their own life and for the
family left behind.
And I've even heard somemediums say well, everything is

(42:44):
planned in life except suicides.
Suicides are never planned andand just carving that exception
because it's got such a stigma.
And I know people.
We don't want to encourageanyone to take their life and I
understand that.
That the mentality.
But I just want to help theparents that are saying, well,
why is my kid the exception?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Why do they have to be the one that wasn't planned
or that means I could haveprevented it and I know there's
nothing else you could have no,and and I think my sense of what
they mean by suicides aren'tplanned is that maybe they were
supposed to be taken out by youknow what a pharmaceutical

(43:23):
overdose or something like that,but instead they choose to
leave a little bit earlier, andI don't mean a lot earlier,
because, again, if they are, ifthey're supposed to Stay,
they're going to be stayingregardless.
So Maybe it's that, you know,maybe the suicide piece it isn't
planned, but it's certainly nota it's.

(43:47):
It doesn't change the timeline.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, they would have gone.
I don't think I think we focustoo much on the way someone died
.
You know, I really hesitate toask you about how JT Crossed
over, because for me it doesn'tmatter by know a lot of people
listening.
It doesn't matter and peopleasking about Shayna and what
happened with her and all that.
But it doesn't matter.
You know, we right, we all comein, we all go out how we go,

(44:12):
and I think on the other sidethey're not going.
Oh, I'm a suicide, I'm a drugoverdose.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I got hit by a bus.
It's like how did you look up?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
from a dream.
Does it matter?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Right, and then, what a great analogy.
How did you wake up from adream?
Because that's really what'shappening.
This is just a small littleblip in our you know, in the
energy of who we are, and and itis like a dream and we wake up
and then you know we're in adifferent, a different frame of
energy.
So that's, that was a great,yeah, a great analogy that you

(44:46):
had there.
And, yes, I understand, Iunderstand totally that you know
, society really does put this,the stigma on, you know, on on
parents whose kids leave bytheir own hand.
And for the kids who leave bytheir own hand I have talked to
so so many, so many.

(45:07):
They're all okay, they're allall, they're all okay, they yes,
they had a little bit, a littlebit more of a review, life
review.
Well, we could have done that alittle differently maybe, but
that's, that's really theessence of it.
You know, once we leave ourenergy form of the body, then

(45:31):
then we remember, we rememberwho we are, we go back into that
energetic space and we don'tjudge ourselves and we don't
judge each other.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, I think I just want to.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, butit's something I want to say
about that, because there'ssomething in between saying, oh,
it's okay to just take your ownlife if you get tired of being
here.
You know, and Judging peoplelike you did a really bad thing,
and I like what I heard someonesay and I know it upset some
people, but they said there wasa teenager and I won't reveal
any names or anything but he hadtaken his own life and we got

(46:03):
the other side.
He went to like a boot camp.
So it was kind of like okay,there's gonna be, like you said,
a little extra review here.
We're gonna give you a littleextra love.
It's not like everything isjust like okay, this is really
cool that you did that.
It's like let's let's thinkabout maybe, maybe we don't want
to do that next time.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
You know, the other thing that I hear from those who
did take their lives, it's thatthey most of them are now
helping people here who areContemplating that and they're
trying to help shift them fromthat.
Not because of the way thatthat's the terrible way to go, I
mean, it is for us, but it'sbecause of the parents, because

(46:42):
of the family, because of theadded energy that is around it,
because of the way that somebodychooses to go.
So so many of those who do taketheir own lives are really
trying to help others in, tomake different choices and to
allow Whatever it is that was intheir contract to kind of flow

(47:05):
through, instead of leaving thatin that manner.
Again, not a judgment by anymeans, but Certainly it's.
It's really hard on those of uswho are left here when that
happens.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's okay to acknowledge that,
because it is so.
I want to talk about your, yourtraining that you do for people
, you help train people inmediumships, and tell me about
that.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yes, and that was a shock Training people.
It was about only a year afterI began training and I had a
teaching team, the master soulson the other side who were
helping me with my own Abilities, and they came into one of my
Meditations and they said okay,now it's time to start training

(47:54):
others.
And I said what are you guystalking about?
Because there, I am nowherenear being able to train anybody
.
I'm still learning this myself.
I don't have a grasp on this.
And they say, oh, youmisunderstand, serena, you will
not be doing the training, wewill.
We're going to be doing thetraining, you are going to just

(48:17):
be Facilitating.
And that's why I said I callmyself a facilitator, they're
doing the training.
And so I began at one-on-onetraining first and Just working
with people, a mentorshipprogram For anyone who had an
inkling that they wanted toconnect, and especially for
those parents I I've had, youknow, connecting classes for

(48:40):
parents to connect with theirkids.
Really, anybody who wants toconnect with the other side.
Because I am a firm believerthat we can all do this.
I always say I again, I was asoftware engineer.
If I can do this, anybody cando this.
If I can learn to shut offthose voices in my head that
told me I was crazy for doingthis and Really focus in on my

(49:03):
soul and my spirit.
Then I know that other peoplecan do that too.
And so it began as a one-on-onementorship program and my team
is just phenomenal they would.
It was an individualizedprogram.
It still is.
It's an individualized programwhere it focuses on the persons,
their Claire's, what is, whatis their dominant Claire?

(49:26):
And we work on it, we giveexercises, we, we expand it, we
really dive deep into it to honethat gift, to hone it and which
is amazing and, I think, veryunique.
And Then that kind of morphedinto people wanting to become

(49:48):
mediums, because in thebeginning it was just about
connecting, just about gettingyou connected to your loved ones
.
But then there's so you know,people who want to be psychic
mediums, and so I developed acertification program.
Okay, I'm being corrected, Ididn't develop it.
My master teachers developed apsychic mediumship certification

(50:10):
program and so then they gothrough an entire year of
training with me and with themaster teachers and with a
curriculum, and it's reallyagain a very solid, a solid
system.
We've been doing that for maybesix or seven years and and that

(50:30):
now morphed into an advancedpsychic mediumship certification
program for those who want totake it to the next level.
And then the other thing thatwas introduced to me which
really, really changed my world,was the Akashic Records, and so
JT taught me how to Access theAkashic Records and how to teach

(50:52):
others to access it, which wasin a much more simplified form,
because when I was reading booksand things like that, it felt
very complicated.
I'm a very simple person.
I want the easiest way to dosomething Simplest way, not
easiest, simplest way and so heinstructed me on that, and so

(51:13):
now we have Akashic Records,facilitator programs and teacher
programs too.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
So tell me what the Akashic Records are to you,
because everybody's a little bitdifferent.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I know, right, yeah, and I find that interesting
because it should be just ageneral thing, right?
So for me, the Akashic Recordsare the records of all my lives
here and elsewhere.
There's Akashic Records for meon other planets and things like
that, and what we can do withthat is we can look at patterns.
What are the patterns that webrought into this incarnation?

(51:46):
What did our souls say wewanted to work on again?
What are the things that wecontinue to work on over and
over, over again?
Where we aren't really gettingit or we're not really
understanding it, there's blocksin our waves or whatever.
And so we look at that, we lookat the Akashic Records, we go
to the record keepers who arethese beautiful, beautiful

(52:09):
energies and they're part of ourCouncil, and the council is
that body of energy that helpedus pick this incarnation, so
they know what our contracts are, what our plan is.
You know what we really want toget done here.
And so we go to that body ofenergy and we say, okay, why did
this happen this way?
Why is this happening this way?
Why does this person give uptheir power to everybody and not

(52:33):
have power of their own?
Or why does this personconstantly choose a person to be
in their life that isdetrimental to them, and Usually
, I mean, it is wrapped aroundchildhood and things like that,
for sure, but a lot of timesit's from patterns from other
lifetimes as well, and so wetake a look at that and we say,

(52:54):
okay, what do we need to do hereto To finish this?
What do we need to do to finishthis lesson and to just move on
?
And the record keepers are justamazing and the council is
amazing, because that's reallywhat we're.
What we're trying to do here isget, get that junk done, and so
we can learn something new, sowe can do something new.
Our souls are always lookingfor the next thing to Expand and

(53:18):
to develop.
So that's that's my definitionof the Akashic records, and in
working with it, for me, ithelps me so much to understand
what the origin of an issue is,because then I can go, oh okay,
I get it, I get now why I dothis, and I say, okay, well, how

(53:40):
do I heal this now?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
How do I heal this?

Speaker 2 (53:42):
and do it.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I get the feeling it's kind of similar to like
past lives, only it's actuallymore general.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
and looking at patterns and recognizing
patterns, yes, recognizingpatterns and then figuring out
what needs to happen, what needsto heal, so that you can move
away from the pattern and reallybring into your life the things
that you want to have, reallystart manifesting and and being
a truer to who you are.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, I actually had something with someone about
Kashik Records and it's comingback to me now that you're
mentioning it because she washelping like release, because I
guess a lot of times we have oldjunk left over and bonds, maybe
even from other lives.
That yes we're not aware of andso releasing some of that stuff
.
So you do that as well.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yes, yes I do yes, yeah, it's fascinating work and
it's fascinating even more totalk with these people after
these sessions.
After we release it, after weand I have so much help in doing
that, there's so many energiesin the universe that want to

(54:48):
assist us.
I work with a lot ofmulti-dimensional energies and
they are the ones they make itso easy for us to release these
things and and to move on.
You have to want to, you haveto want to release it, want to
get it, get it out of thisincarnation and the pattern done
.
But aside from that, it's itreally is a beautiful process

(55:09):
and hearing the feedback fromthose people that they that it
really, it really made adifference for them and they
didn't have to.
They didn't feel like they hadto continue in the old pattern
again.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I want to talk to you about about guides, and I know
I asked you for some questionsbefore we get started.
One of the questions was like,how did we contact our guides?
But I work with a lot of peoplewho feel like they're alone.
It's it's, it's what theuniverse has brought to me.
I was working with someoneearlier today, even who's like
you know, my mother's gone, myfather's gone, my friends are

(55:44):
gone, and I have a lot of thosepeople that I work with.
So when people say, and I tellpeople, you're never alone,
they're you always have a guide?
How do we reach our guides?
How do we get confidence that Iactually have them and they're
not just imaginary figures?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Guides will show up in so many different ways,
especially if we're not able toconnect with them.
In you know, number sequencesis huge, bumper stickers I
remember mine communicating withme in words and bumper stickers
and things like that.
They'll bring people, people.
They'll do like I wouldn't wantto say a takeover, but you know

(56:24):
, you hear about those angels inbodies, right where they come
and they say something to youand it's something that you
really needed to hear that is soimportant to change your life,
and so they will come as that aswell.
But to really connect with them, it was actually a lot simpler
than I thought.

(56:45):
When I was starting this process.
I thought, oh, there's no way Ican shut my mind up and focus
enough to hear something that Ican't see right.
So the first thing ismeditation, and I know that it's
really hard for some people tomeditate, and so what I suggest

(57:08):
is a guided meditation andsomething where your brain has
something to do, and that's whyI say guided, because as you're
doing a guided meditation, yourbrain is occupied, your mind is
occupied listening to the wordsfollowing along, and as that's
occurring, then your spirit andyour soul are able to fly and

(57:30):
are able to really get into theenergy of that higher frequency.
So meditation always raisesyour frequency and that's what
it's about.
When you're connecting withanything in that other realm is
getting to higher frequency.
So things like grounding andwalking in the grass, taking

(57:53):
nature walks, doing meditativethings, like some people love
gardening that is a meditationthat raises your frequency.
Anything where you can shut yourmind off and allow your spirit
to take that trip, and sodefinitely meditation.
And then I would also say awillingness and a verbal asking

(58:17):
for the help.
We live on a planet where wehave free will and I didn't
understand that.
I mean, I understood the ideaof free will, but I didn't
understand that I needed to askfor help.
Why aren't they just helping?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
me, why aren't they just here?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
You're supposed to be helping me, why aren't you
doing that?
And so I learned that we needto ask, we need to set intention
around it, and so I have mystudents say I'm a clear
receiver.
I receive clearly from myguides.
Only high frequency is allowedto come talk with me right now
or communicate with me, becauseI feel the other thing that

(58:53):
people have a fear around iswhat am I connecting to?
What's out there and so Ialways say just say high
frequency only, and that takesaway all of the other choices.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
So asking for that, you said something there I
haven't heard before numbersequences, bumper stickers,
things that we would normallycall signs.
Right, right, that could beyour guide is what I heard.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yes, absolutely.
If they need to get us amessage and we're not paying
attention, they will do whateverthey need to do to get us that
message.
Dreams.
I used to have crazy dreams andin a particular point in my
life where I really needed tomake a change and I was being
very stubborn about it anddidn't realize I needed to make

(59:42):
that change, I would have thesedreams of crazy stuff where it's
showing me I needed to changeand I finally got it.
But they'll use that, They'lluse whatever they can to help us
in moving, in moving intodifferent energy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Because I think a lot of times we think about guides.
It's like, okay, I expect themto like walk up to me introduce
themselves.
You know because and I hear alot of people and sometimes we
take other people's experienceand sets expectations Sure, my
guide is Red Wolf.
He is an American Indian.
He's six feet tall.
He has a feather in his hair.
I mean, I'm just about sayingpeople use this as an example.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Okay, that's right.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
And then people say well, I don't know my guide like
that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I don't have, that, I don't have that and I've had
different experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You know, the first guide that I heard about was
through a medium.
She told me about my guide andshe gave me her name and she
described her.
The second one, I believe, wasmy guide.
I had a dream and it was yearsago but I can still remember it
like it was yesterday and I sawthis guy was standing in my
kitchen and I'm like there wassomething about him that really
struck me and so I'm thinking Ithink that was maybe one of my

(01:00:53):
guides.
And then the third one was likein meditation.
So I think my experience hasbeen and this has been over the
course of years.
It didn't all happen in one day.
This is a course over likeseven years.
I feel like I have an idea ofwho three of my guides are.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Right and they do change.
They do come in and out.
We have a main guide thatreally sticks with us and mine
is JT now and others you know.
For others it could be.
It's usually not a relativethat has passed.
Jt is a little bit of theexception.
I would say kids are theexception too, kids on the other
side.

(01:01:28):
Usually you know they can comeand they can be guides for us,
because of that connectionbecause they are.
They're very high-frequencysouls.
They wouldn't have come andleft as a child if they weren't
a high-frequency soul.
So they're in a position tohelp guide us.
But others, you know, othertimes again, it kind of depends

(01:01:50):
on what you need, what you know,what the focus is for your life
.
We have, you know, purposeguides.
We've got joy guides.
I've got parking guides.
I love my parking guides and Ilove that they are there.
I ask for help, you know.
I ask.
I say, okay, whoever can helpme, whoever can help me, please
come help me right now.

(01:02:10):
And I don't need to know theirname.
I used to have to know theirname.
You know in the beginningyou're like, okay, who is this?
Give me your name.
I need to know who you are.
You know where you're from.
Right right right and I gavethat up because there were just
so many coming in and out and Ithink that's and from what I've
understood that's, that's anexpectation that we'd be better

(01:02:32):
served to let go of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
And I for a lot of times the guides will be like
okay, well, if you want to havea name, you can call me.
You know X.
We as humans are hung up onnames and I'm kind of like I'm
not looking for that.
You know anymore either.
And speaking of dreams, is Ihad a really strange dream last
night, it was.
It was one of those dreams, youknow.
They'd seem to go on foreverand then you think you woke up
and you're still in it.
Oh my gosh.

(01:02:54):
And this, this being just keptchanging form, and I'm like did
you drug me, because you keepchanging?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
And I woke up this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I literally asked the being.
I said did you drug me?
And?
And so I think that might havebeen one of my guides trying to
tell me something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Right, yes, well, and it feels like you know that
they're, that it's a change foryou, that you know that
constantly changing thing isabout your energy and it's about
where you are and what you're,where you're going you know, and
wanting, wanting you to seemore sides of it.
But, boy, that sounds like a,like a vivid one, that's for

(01:03:34):
sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Yeah, so I I put that out there for people, because
when people ask me about signsand synchronicities and all this
stuff, a lot of times peoplelike you're, you're an engineer,
I'm an engineer.
We're like, okay, how does thissupposed to work?
Let me write this down and Iwant this to come in this order,
in this way, and the longerI've been doing this, this work
in the you know, seven, eightyears in Shayna Pass and four

(01:03:56):
years doing this formerly I'mrealizing be open to anything,
be open to whether it's a dream,whether it's whether it's a
synchronicity, you know,whatever it is, be open to all
of it because it's all, it's allguided.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Right, and I do feel you have a really, really good
point there.
I have so many people come intomy office who are expecting
connection to be a certain wayfor them.
I'm not getting any signs frommy kid or something along those
lines, and then I'll talk to thekid and they'll say I've been
giving them signs, I've beentalking to them and so you know,

(01:04:31):
that's the biggest one is thatthe hearing.
They hear their child's voicein their head and they blow it
off and they don't think thatit's them.
They hear mom, mom.
They think they're going crazy.
That's their kid.
That's the kid saying hey, youcan hear me, I'm right here.
But for them they expect, likeyou said, for them to walk up

(01:04:53):
like in Ghost Whisperer.
You know this person that youcan't tell whether they're an
energy or a person, and for meit doesn't work like that.
For me it's very different.
There are mediums out there.
Who that is, it is how they seeit, but I can see the person.
It just is, again an energy.

(01:05:14):
I can see the energy of them, Ican see what they look like.
But, yes, yeah, for parents thebiggest thing is letting go of
the ideas or the preconceivedinformation that they might have
heard from somebody else.
Oh, in my reading, I you knowblah, blah, blah, blah.
And it just doesn't happen thatway for everybody.

(01:05:35):
And so, yes, to be open, to beopen to how your child or how
your loved one is communicatingwith you, is a huge, huge factor
in this.
We all get signs.
There's not one time where Ican think of and I've been doing
this for almost 16 years thatsomebody on the other side said

(01:05:56):
oh no, I didn't give them anysigns, I just moved on.
Their job is to make sure we'reokay.
Their job is to help us throughthe grief and to help us find
the joy again, and to help usmaneuver through or to find
purpose.
Like me, my job was to findpurpose.

(01:06:18):
Jt's job was to help me findthat.
But for other people, it couldbe that they just they need to
get back into life.
They need to really experiencelife instead of allowing the
loss to consume them.
Because, I'll tell you, ourloved ones don't want us
consumed by that grief.

(01:06:40):
Now we do have to walk throughthe grief, as you know.
There's no way around it.
You can't wish it away or drugit away or anything like that.
You have to do the process.
But I remember early on when Istarted connecting with parents
who'd lost children and theysaid, oh, it's forever, you're

(01:07:02):
forever in this terrible,terrible place and you're
forever going to feel this way.
And I said I don't think so.
I don't think that's the way Ineed to do it.
I think I can do it a differentway and I don't think that JT
wants me to be there and do itthat way.
So I was very deliberate withmy process, very deliberate with

(01:07:24):
my grief, and did a lot of thework.
I mean and it's work, as youknow, it's work, but it is
required.
It's required.
And again, I found who I was,or I found JT just four months
after he left and then found whoI was six months after.
So I was still in the in thethroes of grief when I was

(01:07:48):
trying to connect with him andwork with him.
And that did I don't want tosay it delayed it, but I really
had to do my grief process inorder to be able to get rid of
the block of grief.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
And I just want to interject there for everybody.
It's a different timeline forme.
I told someone the other daythat I started the blog like a
week after Shayna passed, andthey're like oh, you got clarity
a week after Shayna, pat, no,no it was about four years after
Shayna passed, before I decidedI was going to do this work as
a as like a full time thing.
So you know, people I love whatyou said are there's like grief

(01:08:25):
is a process, grief is work.
We have to walk through it.
You can't look at someone likemyself or like you, right, many
years out, and go, ok, I'msupposed to be there and it's
been three months, you know it'slike no, it's.
It takes.
It takes time to get there.
It takes time for a flower togrow you know flowers don't go
from a seed to a flowerovernight.

(01:08:45):
It takes.
It takes time to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
And we're we're actually running a little bit
short on time.
I've really enjoyed thisconversation.
I'd like for you to tell peoplewhat services you offer,
because I know you teachmediumship.
Do you still give mediumreadings?
Yes, tell me about all thedifferent services you offer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yes, I still offer readings, you know.
Mediumship, especially becauseI want people to know their,
their loved ones, are OK.
And psychic readings, akashicrecord readings, all of that I
also do pet mediumship and petpsychic Pekka Pekka, akashic
records Our pets have Akashicrecords too, and so definitely

(01:09:28):
offer all one on one services,usually via Zoom, because you
know we, we are in an a zoomworld now.
It's just really nice.
And then and then, of course,you know the.
The training that I have is allon my training website as well,
which isdragonflypsychiccentercom.
And to get to the readings, ifyou want a session with me, it's

(01:09:52):
serena-baptisacom or bridge tohealingcom.
Both will take you to that andall of the information is there.
Again, I offer a very widevariety of different things for
for people, because I find thatnot everybody might want this
aspect of it or that aspect ofit, so we can tailor it and we

(01:10:12):
can do more than just one thingduring a session.
The guides and your loved onesare so excited when, when we are
able to talk to them, and thatreally is, you know, is a huge,
huge piece of this is they wantthat connection.
Loved ones want the connection,they want to continue the
relationship.

(01:10:33):
Yeah, it looks different, asyou know, very different than
when they were here, and ourguides too.
We are in a very, veryinteresting time on our planet
and many people are findingthemselves a little bit lost,
and so connecting with theguides, connecting with who you
are and your purpose is, is ahuge, huge aspect of what I do

(01:10:54):
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Absolutely, and I can remind people of the name of
your book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Oh, the book is my View from Heaven, which was
written by JT, and there isanother book coming out at the
end of August that I havecollaborated with three others.
Three of us have lost children,one lost her husband, and that
one is called Finding Love andPurpose, and so that again kind

(01:11:19):
of takes the message that wewere talking about and talks
about our four stories.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
That was great.
Well, all the links will be inthe show notes.
Serena.
Thanks so much for your timethis afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Brian, thank you so much for talking with me today.
It has just been such apleasure.
I always look forward totalking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Absolutely.
Have a great rest of your day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Thank you so much, you too.